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02:07 BingoBoingo $up mats
02:07 deedbot mats voiced for 30 minutes.
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08:44 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
08:44 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 581.0, vol: 3253.05603877 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 567.001, vol: 4540.09518 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 580.46, vol: 22044.37312351 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 565.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 587.824695, vol: 26763.66990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 579.79, vol: 1030.18663655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 586.67706, vol: 43.42071033 | Volume-weighted last average: 582.841239215
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09:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al: http://www.news9.com/story/32168555/ohp-uses-new-device-to-seize-money-used-during-the-commission-of-a-crime << lulzy
09:59 asciilifeform ' If a trooper suspects you may have money tied to some type of crime, the highway patrol can scan any cards you have and seize the money. "We're gonna look for different factors in the way that you're acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent said. “We're gonna look for if there's a difference in your story. If there's someway that we can prove that you're falsifying information to us about your business."'
10:00 asciilifeform 'News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state. It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.'
10:01 asciilifeform http://oklahomawatch.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2016/06/ERADContractBid.pdf << what appears to be the contract.
10:03 asciilifeform automated account emptiers. lulzy.
10:04 shinohai "We are proud to introduce this new tool to help you steal from citizens in a moar efficient manner."
10:05 asciilifeform the peculiar, imho, thing, is that somehow tradition requires american police to actually charge folks who are taken to a police station. and so it is now important to rob them ~without~ arresting.
10:05 asciilifeform also helps throughput!1111
10:06 shinohai That's always been the case with asset forfeiture laws though.
10:08 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably describe the process as 'what the fuck is so surprising, gas let into an empty container will fill it' or similar. nobody is blowing up the police stations in response, so there is no back-pressure and usg can do whatever.
10:09 mircea_popescu ^
10:09 mircea_popescu not their money anyway.
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10:09 asciilifeform usg is just finding the ~new~ laffer curve!11111111111
10:09 asciilifeform ah and there he is!
10:09 * asciilifeform switches off emulated mircea_popescutron
10:10 shinohai In other not-news, this new "Ubuntu inside Winblowze" thing automatically sets all your file permissions to 777
10:10 asciilifeform ahahahahaha
10:10 asciilifeform Run Moar Linblowz.
10:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479175 <<<< aha: >>>> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1249081
10:12 a111 Logged on 2015-08-22 22:07 mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your trouble"
10:12 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 14:09 mircea_popescu: not their money anyway.
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10:28 deedbot [Trilema] Rag. Arturo De Fanti, bancario precario - http://trilema.com/2016/rag-arturo-de-fanti-bancario-precario/
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10:47 asciilifeform it would be interesting imho to learn how the credit card automatic plunderator works:
10:47 asciilifeform ... does it shit out $1 transactions until one bounces ?
10:48 asciilifeform this seems unlikely, because american prepaid cardz typically have a tx fee
10:48 asciilifeform so it stands to reason that it probably recogizes major brands of card and dials in to determine the balance
10:48 asciilifeform so as to snarf it out in one shot.
10:52 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473246 .
10:52 a111 Logged on 2016-05-29 14:42 mircea_popescu: how is this stance different from "the nazi military police can't find as many gypos as they used to, so therefore flaying alive of gypsies for fun should be regarded as aperfectly normal passtime, and in no sense wrong, even if it was rare before"
10:54 asciilifeform now where was that suetonius thing
10:55 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-need-bitcoin-simply-put/#selection-167.0-173.283
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10:59 asciilifeform and,
11:00 asciilifeform '...there are many, many people whose stock in trade is their use of violence, in offense or defense. No matter what else happens, they will be employed, or self-employed... In Russia, there was a period of years during which the police was basically not functioning: they had no equipment, no budget, and their salaries were not sufficient for survival. Murders went unsolved, muggings and burglaries were not even investigated. The pol
11:00 asciilifeform ice could only survive through graft...' << from orlol,
11:00 asciilifeform ( megaclassic, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071805_soviet_lessons_part3.shtml )
11:01 asciilifeform ^ soooo it appears that the process is farther along in rural shitholes like oklahoma, than in the inhabited usa
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11:01 asciilifeform which is a mega-unsurprise.
11:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Oklahomo isn't even rural. Rural has farms and the pastoral life. Oklohomo is just a drive thru obstacle with its fucking toll roads and meth heads.
11:04 BingoBoingo Even the ozarks have tourism, Oklohomo lacks a Branson.
11:04 asciilifeform 'rural shithole' is simply shithole that is dark from the satellite camera.
11:04 asciilifeform like north kr.
11:04 asciilifeform vs the other kind of shithole.
11:05 asciilifeform american rural doesn't even have much to do with pastoral/village life etc.
11:06 asciilifeform consider, in coastal usa you can still go to a few dozen kinds of shop, but in the flyoverlands you're stuck with универмаг^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hlolmart
11:07 asciilifeform the sovietization, in the most comical sense of the word, is nearly total, complete with hruschev's corn.
11:08 asciilifeform ~actual~ rural folk, who grow own food, make own tools, and don't need the mega-state for anything, were recognized as a thread and mostly bugsprayed eons ago.
11:08 asciilifeform *threat
11:10 trinque myup, the grandchildren of the generation that knew how to do that spends their time getting fat on walmart groceries and posting on facebook about "freedom ain't free"
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11:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i am curious re the role meth plays.
11:12 asciilifeform it always seems to figure in tales of american 'flyover.'
11:12 trinque maybe it makes malnutrition feel better
11:12 asciilifeform who takes it? and why? and why it and not some other dope.
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11:13 BingoBoingo It plays the same role heroin does on the coasts. Turns potential redditors into creatures out of "James Lafond Presents"
11:13 asciilifeform meth was discovered by ru underground folk in the late '80s. on account of being quickly and easily made from materials commonly sold at the time.
11:13 asciilifeform but my understanding is that there was NO 'market' in the usual sense of the word. you wanted some - you made some.
11:14 BingoBoingo And so it works, or is said to work largely that way in USistan
11:14 asciilifeform iirc it is mostly made in mexico now.
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11:15 BingoBoingo Mostly from lack of access to inputs.
11:15 BingoBoingo But when inputs are available methfolk tend to steal them because Phree drugz
11:16 asciilifeform eh nobody stole it in 1940s when it was sold at the bubble gum counter.
11:16 BingoBoingo The Mexican meth largely serves to keep anyone from quietly becoming mega drug kingpin
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11:16 BingoBoingo Sure
11:16 BingoBoingo you can say nobody stole, but there's always kids shoplifting
11:17 asciilifeform wasn't a 'can't display this, will be stolen 5min later' situation.
11:18 asciilifeform for non-us folk: today you can't buy a few milligram of pseudoephedrine against running nose, without filling out a form.
11:18 BingoBoingo Anyways in the 40's all the drug products weren't on the counter next to the bubble gum. You had to talk to the pharmacist because otherwise he got lonely.
11:18 asciilifeform after ww2 surplus meth was sold ~everywhere.
11:19 asciilifeform didn't really carch on until that time.
11:19 asciilifeform *catch
11:20 BingoBoingo Surplus meth also had to compete at phamacy/soda shop against midler stimulants like Benzedrine. Stimulants were the polite national obsession at the time.
11:20 asciilifeform i'm still quite unconvinced that empire is better off selling, e.g., the usual vodka, in shops, than meth.
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11:22 asciilifeform consider how ww2 folk did ~not~ suffer the clinical horrors of the modern users.
11:22 asciilifeform this is on account of the well-known sequelae being largely effects of impurities, and secondarily - of lack of sleep, vs meth per se.
11:23 asciilifeform (e.g., your teeth will look ~precisely~ like 'methhead teeth' if... you stop brushing them.)
11:23 asciilifeform ... or blow caustic smoke across them every day.
11:25 asciilifeform today's dope situation is quite analogous to, e.g., 18th c. english sailor's sex life - where the ~only kind of (straight!) sex you can have is, approx., with syphilitic whores, condomless
11:26 asciilifeform the 'sex is the devil's temptation' idiots have easy pickings in that climate.
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11:27 deedbot [Qntra] Oklahomos Test Literal Due Process Circumvention Device For Electronic Seizures - http://qntra.net/2016/06/oklahomos-test-literal-due-process-circumvention-device-for-electronic-seizures/
11:27 asciilifeform not convincing, naturally, any sailors, but ~others~, into tolerating the protestant bullshit instead of burning with hot irons.
11:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: oughta mention the royalty
11:28 asciilifeform y'know, the 7+% thing
11:28 asciilifeform that brings us back to 18th c. french state of the art re tax collection
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11:28 asciilifeform (incidentally, didn't i predict the return of door-to-door tax collector ?! a few yrs ago.)
11:29 BingoBoingo That's standard for any US thing touching "law enforcement". Ankle monitors, fine collection X% always to vendor.
11:35 danielpbarron oklahoma has a true church -- if i were to move within the states, I'd prolly go there
11:36 asciilifeform danielpbarron: how many tank divisions it has ?
11:36 asciilifeform good anti-aircraft defenses ?
11:37 danielpbarron their defensive play is to flee if things got to such a point that a tank is necessary
11:37 asciilifeform flee to .. ?
11:37 asciilifeform mars ?
11:37 shinohai Pray tornado comes and send you to merry land of Oz ?
11:38 BingoBoingo That
11:38 BingoBoingo 's Kansas tornados
11:39 danielpbarron Darwin likened it to the time king David fled Saul
11:40 BingoBoingo Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
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11:41 danielpbarron 1 Samuel 21:12 Now David took these words to heart, and was very much afraid of Achish the king of Gath. 13 So he changed his behavior before them, pretended madness in their hands, scratched on the doors of the gate, and let his saliva fall down on his beard. << apparently even pretending insanity in order to stay with the neighboring people
11:43 phf i like how in u.s. "pharmacies" you can buy 50mg diphenhydramine as a sleep aid for a few cents a pill, and as an anti-hestamine for $20 for 10
11:44 asciilifeform phf: better still, ordinary cyanoacrylate glue for 50 cents a tube, but 'medical' - for $20+.
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11:44 danielpbarron also, you ~do need to fill out paperwork to get pseudoaphedrine : driver's license is required
11:45 phf or that loratadine is available in 50 different branded variations, but its metabolite desloratadine you need a prescription for. every time i'd ask an allergist for one he'll say "just buy <loratadine brand> it's the same thing"
11:45 danielpbarron they scan you licence and make you agree to not use it to make meth
11:45 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Anyways I think the US patched the "play crazy" exploit
11:45 asciilifeform (cyanoacrylate - 'super' - glue - is quite possibly the single greatest advance in wound suturing ever to happen, works great on everything from paper cut to 7.62x39-through-the-liver)
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11:45 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, just an example from history
11:46 trinque plea of insanity results in indefinite psych ward lockup afaik
11:46 shinohai I used superglue when I played guitar for callous enhancement.
11:46 trinque or leaving with a failing liver after you succumb to their pill pushing
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11:47 trinque adlai: how you doing btw
11:47 phf asciilifeform: i opened up my heel at a beach last time and sent my friends to buy me supplies "i need tincture of iodine and cyanoacrylate glue please" "... maybe just some HealFastQuick-E instead???"
11:48 asciilifeform l0l
11:48 asciilifeform just travel with it. single-use syrette of 'superglue' keeps forever.
11:49 asciilifeform i always found it interesting how most american folk don't keep first aid kit, of even the most spartan sort, in their car
11:50 asciilifeform they will keep a man's weight's worth of empty coffee cups and other filth in there.
11:50 trinque that's too independently-minded; they'll 'just call 911'
11:50 asciilifeform but not a box with bandages, disinfectant, tourniquette, anything.
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11:50 BingoBoingo No socket set either!
11:51 * trinque has both!
11:51 trinque and other toolz
11:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the kind that removes wheels, comes with car
11:51 asciilifeform or what does BingoBoingo have in there.
11:51 trinque what about batteries, belts, so on
11:51 trinque might need others
11:51 asciilifeform trinque drives around with spare belts ?
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11:52 trinque sure, they're small
11:52 asciilifeform often stop and change belt ?
11:52 trinque I have a station wagon so I have room for shit in the back
11:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 100 ish piece set of SAE and metric bits.
11:52 asciilifeform how about battery ? also spares ?
11:52 trinque hey man, you have your paranoia; I have mine
11:52 trinque :D
11:52 asciilifeform i imagine trinque spends much time in the desert
11:52 trinque no but jumper cables
11:52 asciilifeform ^ afaik these come with car
11:52 BingoBoingo Hey, msot cars nowsdays only have one belt
11:53 BingoBoingo So belt isn't some mega imposition
11:53 BingoBoingo Though alternator and sometimes compressor have to come off to change it
11:54 phf i'm not sure how these kinds of liquids interact with tsa
11:54 phf which reminds me, i gotta sign up for that PRE shit..
11:54 asciilifeform phf: iirc tiny toothpaste-like items are permitted
11:54 asciilifeform phf: i signed up, it is ~scam
11:54 asciilifeform only works ~inside usa~ if you use particular airlines.
11:54 asciilifeform the most expensive ones.
11:55 phf oh it's airline dependant?
11:55 phf there's also "global entry" which i haven't looked into
11:55 asciilifeform the part that gets you out of inspections when traveling inside usa
11:55 asciilifeform the global entry thing was spiffy
11:55 asciilifeform when i came back from mircea_popescu's c3, they let me in past customs via the door the pilots use.
11:56 phf fwiw doing using ITA for booking i mostly get delta or american airlines for local flights anyway
11:56 asciilifeform then works
11:57 asciilifeform if you get the 'global' thing, iirc it comes with the other one.
11:58 phf "Includes the TSA Pre✓™ Experience"
11:59 asciilifeform i imagine in 20 yrs we'll be payin' for 'Police Pre✓™ Experience" where if you have membership card, they probe yer rectum with velvet, instead of hedgehog, gloves...
12:06 phf a range of Pre✓™ branded experiences. Taxes Pre✓™ where you fill out one form and pay slightly below average (but still not as much as an accountant would save you), Building Pre✓™ where you fill out one form and can build a mcmanshion on your property (but not any other kind of building), etc.
12:19 asciilifeform lel aha.
12:21 trinque hell I just got prequalified for some loans in my mail
12:24 trinque http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/lead-poisoning-testing-gaps/ << lol, this nation of africa
12:25 asciilifeform pretty sure that darkest africa is ~ahead~ on the not-eating-lead score.
12:25 asciilifeform vs usa.
12:26 trinque I'm sure it is
12:27 trinque and of course they're arguing for more govt mandated medical screening rather than y'know, how bout we learn the millenia old magick of water piping and not shitting where we eat
12:28 asciilifeform trinque: that would cost actual 'turkey dollarz'
12:28 asciilifeform which usa doesn't have.
12:28 asciilifeform pipes dun replace themselves.
12:29 phf philadelphia is all led pipes so they just give you a little paper that lets you test the water for free, and then presumably move "elsewhere"
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12:59 BingoBoingo $up vc
12:59 deedbot vc voiced for 30 minutes.
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14:06 trinque asciilifeform: those card drainers might be doing a succession of rapid "auth" transactions against the card searching for the limit, then settling the transaction for the highest amount it can find that works
14:06 asciilifeform trinque: i'd imagine this would trigger the standard fraud freeze
14:07 asciilifeform unless, of course, they have exception hardcoded for autoplunderator co.
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14:07 trinque yep true, by any route it seems to require someone selling the person out on the back end
14:08 asciilifeform trinque: not necessarily - if the card is prepaid, as these were, you can normally call the # on the back of the card (and often there is even a www form) and determine the balance
14:08 asciilifeform so the gadget may well include this function.
14:18 BingoBoingo In spammer domains blacklisted from qntra comments news: hamlet.stanford.edu
14:19 shinohai lol wut
14:22 BingoBoingo Someone got crazy loading up hamlet.stanford.edu with vietnamese spam links and putting them in spam comments to qntra, so blacklisted
14:24 shinohai I didn't do story on supposed twitter hack because unverifiable ... yet it is on front page of r/bitcoin.
14:24 shinohai I suspect there was no hack, it is merely cross-ref'd data from the other 3 hacks by peace.
14:33 BingoBoingo Maybe write that was possible? I have no idea what you are talking about.
14:35 shinohai http://forklog.net/almost-33-million-twitter-passwords-stolen-and-put-up-for-sale-for-bitcoins/
14:37 BingoBoingo shinohai: See, its stolen passwords indexed to twitter accounts.
14:38 shinohai Hmmmm ...
14:46 BingoBoingo Fine shinohai I'll show you how to handle this.
14:46 shinohai >.>
14:56 deedbot [Qntra] Peace Trove Being Indexed To Accounts On Unhacked Sites - http://qntra.net/2016/06/peace-trove-being-indexed-to-accounts-on-unhacked-sites/
14:56 BingoBoingo ^ Him in our time.
14:57 BingoBoingo shinohai: See here all future production of these information products is covered in the cases where actual hack seems unlikely, and we continue the "Him in our time" meme.
14:58 BingoBoingo Having our own memes is important for establishing a Qntra identity that goes beyond Qntra>Coindesk while also cultivating a shared experience among our readers through humor.
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14:59 shinohai I liek.
15:00 shinohai Good angle too.
15:00 BingoBoingo If you add being insufferable pricks to the second part while overdoing it on memes (i.e. you don't have content because everything is a forced meme) you end up with the Gawker media formula.
15:02 shinohai ewww Gawker
15:04 BingoBoingo Gotta understand how the enemy works. Especially when it has ossified itself into committee driven beast.
15:06 shinohai Most other Bitcoin related news sites are exact clones of each other, the ones I know of anyway. Bitcoinist is probably the worst.
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15:06 shinohai or whichever one it is J.P Buttnix spams for.
15:07 BingoBoingo Right, the reason they all suck is they recycle press releases or all share the same stable of Buttnixen Who write the same text for different stories which obliterates any chance for contrast.
15:07 BingoBoingo That and they are wrong.
15:09 shinohai In other news, has Hillary fallen victim to said hack? https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740973710593654784
15:10 shinohai Also, paid promotional articles hardly count as "news"
15:15 trinque shinohai: no, the two candidates for president are having a slap fight on twitter while the audience posts gifs
15:16 trinque what's out of place
15:16 shinohai "Delete your account" so professional.
15:17 shinohai I'll do it Hillary since you said so.
15:30 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
15:30 gribble Current Blocks: 415561 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1750 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
15:30 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
15:30 gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3836.22, vol: 28798.54960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3836.22
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15:47 mod6 <+shinohai> "Delete your account" so professional. << "Delete your emails" response was top kek
15:50 trinque aw I was hoping that one came from trump
15:50 mod6 lol
15:53 shinohai o/ mod6
15:58 mod6 sup
15:58 shinohai Thanks again for help with rss reader ... works right inside weechat nau
15:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a5d61041-55f2-4d4d-b800-7aa1183a81d2/ << submission
16:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479194 << check it out selection js corrupts!
16:03 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 14:55 asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-need-bitcoin-simply-put/#selection-167.0-173.283
16:04 mod6 shinohai: no prob bud
16:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479199 << oklahoma is not rural, it is central. bandits favour notthingham forest for a reason, which isn't that "it's impenetrable", but rather that it is semi-permeable and oft permeated.
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16:06 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:01 asciilifeform: ^ soooo it appears that the process is farther along in rural shitholes like oklahoma, than in the inhabited usa
16:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479211 << importantly, all this out of money they never earned.
16:08 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:10 trinque: myup, the grandchildren of the generation that knew how to do that spends their time getting fat on walmart groceries and posting on facebook about "freedom ain't free"
16:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479215 << same people who take krakadil.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:12 asciilifeform: who takes it? and why? and why it and not some other dope.
16:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479220 << nah.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:14 asciilifeform: iirc it is mostly made in mexico now.
16:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479224 << BingoBoingo has it. the entirety of the us "drug on wars" thing reduces to "we gotta keep police largest street gang ~everywhere". it ~works.
16:10 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:16 BingoBoingo: The Mexican meth largely serves to keep anyone from quietly becoming mega drug kingpin
16:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479234 << vodka is a downer, and still involved in most cases where sov milician got his skull bashed.
16:11 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:20 asciilifeform: i'm still quite unconvinced that empire is better off selling, e.g., the usual vodka, in shops, than meth.
16:16 asciilifeform imho the powerz of dope are overblown. vodka will loosen inhibitions but nobody gets the basic idea of cracking a skull from it. ditto meth, stupid man will be 10x more vigorous in his idiocy, erdos - 10x theorems.
16:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479240 <<< aaaaand yet, even with "free" "love" and plenty of virgins, the kids that 3 centuries ago'd have been sailors STILL prefer not to fuck ; but instead http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478315
16:17 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 19:26 mircea_popescu: "Empirically the most ‘attractive’ man in our community including for purposes of casual sex is Mike Blume, who (I’ve asked a woman or two) achieves this by being extremely polite, reliable, and generating a feeling of being very safe to be around or date (contrary to a number of people who’d allege that this is beta-male behavior who I’m beginning to suspect are just sheerly empirically wrong)." << aha
16:17 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:26 asciilifeform: the 'sex is the devil's temptation' idiots have easy pickings in that climate.
16:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's rank nonsense you know.
16:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how's that
16:18 mircea_popescu first off, "losens inhibitions", tell you what, igot plenty of inhibited derps drunk when i was a teen. best sex was still in between the thighs of the sluts.
16:18 asciilifeform inhibition against cracking skull, is what i meant
16:18 mircea_popescu second off, "10x" bull. it's an unmeasurable 9.9x vs allegedly 10.1x, except so deep under the random variation sea it's not worth investigating.
16:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the brain is economical ; only has one inhibition.
16:18 asciilifeform not worth per who's lights ?
16:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's ? we already knew that.
16:19 mircea_popescu per my lights.
16:19 mircea_popescu it's ~same as "magical magnets improve fuel economy" sorta thing
16:19 asciilifeform more like nitro in petrol.
16:19 asciilifeform there is a time and a place for it.
16:19 mircea_popescu mkay. still not worth it.
16:20 asciilifeform not in washington traffic, no.
16:20 mircea_popescu quite.
16:20 asciilifeform on racetrack - sometimes.
16:20 mircea_popescu and if someone is using it... does ~nothing.
16:20 mircea_popescu sorry. and if someone is using it... everyone is using it... does ~nothing.
16:20 asciilifeform $s mathematics lost a month
16:20 a111 1 results for "mathematics lost a month", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mathematics%20lost%20a%20month
16:20 mircea_popescu "let's all stand on tiptoes we'll see the game better"
16:20 asciilifeform the fella who needs to reach the shelf
16:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mno. racetrack. racetrack is when you shuffle papers.
16:21 mircea_popescu the only thing it's good for is for better satisfaction of "publish or perish"
16:21 mircea_popescu ie, racetrack. rat track.
16:21 asciilifeform sure. or scrubbing toilet as in that film. or whatever stupid thing, if you're doing a stupid thing.
16:21 asciilifeform but point being that folks aren't doing stupid thing ~because~ of the dope.
16:22 mircea_popescu cheaper to not do stupid thing than to find ways to "do it 3% better". for the obvious reason - you're doing stupid thing because of state, which means it'll immediately self-level.
16:22 mircea_popescu sov cattle knew as much, which is how sov economic collapse came about.
16:22 asciilifeform you could make argument that the dope makes the intolerable - tolerable. as the spanish eventually permitted the inca silver miners their coca again.
16:22 mircea_popescu you could, and moreover i have been.
16:22 asciilifeform where i'm from, the dope used to make intolerable - tolerable - is vodka
16:23 asciilifeform and it works for said purpose.
16:23 asciilifeform with own set of side effects.
16:23 asciilifeform ~every culture has own variant, and cracks down on alternatives.
16:24 mircea_popescu speaking of side effects : this morn i woke up, executed a bottle of champagne with homemade apple pie and scantily clad damsels to the backing of 70s/80s italian made-for-tv comedies (atti impuri, anyone ever seen ? THAT is how you make shit for the tv!).
16:24 mircea_popescu you can keep your motherfucking meth.
16:24 mircea_popescu sent me straight back to sleep, it did.
16:25 mircea_popescu (for the curious, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpDKYeBVO14 )
16:25 * asciilifeform always imagines that mircea_popescu sleeps for 18+ hr/day, like a housecat
16:26 mircea_popescu nah. about 7ish.
16:26 * asciilifeform same
16:26 mircea_popescu i think it;'s what adults sleep.
16:27 mircea_popescu teh teens tend to want 14 if possibru! then a decade later, they're back to maybe 8.
16:27 asciilifeform for some reason i pictured that when i get to stop using alarms i will sleep, sleep...
16:27 asciilifeform like thirsty man wants to 'drink ocean'
16:27 * mircea_popescu has seen with own eyes.
16:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479245 << he has a point.
16:28 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:28 asciilifeform: that brings us back to 18th c. french state of the art re tax collection
16:29 mircea_popescu ~only way to make yourself rich in the socialist empire, be it of the "egalite fraternite humanatee" revolution or of the "faggotry, equality, poverty" revolution, is through taking up a tax farm.
16:29 asciilifeform re this, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479380 , i am left to wonder why the plunder is not carried out in or near, e.g., airports, train stations.
16:29 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 20:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479199 << oklahoma is not rural, it is central. bandits favour notthingham forest for a reason, which isn't that "it's impenetrable", but rather that it is semi-permeable and oft permeated.
16:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because plunder is where robber barons feel safe, not where the scania sounds are fulla fish.
16:30 asciilifeform but why they feel safest in ok ?
16:30 asciilifeform still mystery to me.
16:30 mircea_popescu i dunno, always been land of banditry.
16:30 mircea_popescu recall the classical period ?
16:30 mircea_popescu mod6 is that it ?
16:31 mod6 dont voice, testing...
16:31 mircea_popescu k.
16:31 mod6 aha
16:31 * asciilifeform brb
16:31 mircea_popescu oh, did you make it to self-voice and stuff, no need to add it to list ?
16:31 mod6 yeah. i did all the work to get it into the wot, plus a L1 from me, plus code to auth/voice itself.
16:32 mod6 %h
16:32 tb0t <%a|%add> <project> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
16:32 mod6 %p trb 32
16:32 tb0t Project: trb, ID: 32, Type: T, Subject: Test funk's import/dump priv key vpatch, Antecedents: 2, Notes: Use mod6's rebased vpatch, apply to latest vpatches in thebitcoin.foundation mirror. Test import/export of private keys. Should use both valid and invalid keys here. Also test send/recieve; leave no stone unturned. http://www.mod6.net/btcf/test/mod6_funken_prikey_tools.vpatch
16:32 trinque nice!!
16:32 mircea_popescu nice. i guess everyone just steals it from you going forward.
16:32 mircea_popescu and in other news, https://attimpurislam.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/11146489_468251810017437_1327205877618895494_n.jpg
16:32 mod6 %pp
16:32 tb0t Projects: trb
16:33 mod6 so this thing will let you print/view codes/print projects as long as you're voiced in #trilema. but you need L1 with deedbot to add/edit/remove
16:33 mircea_popescu sweet.
16:33 mircea_popescu mod6 and it ignores pms ?
16:33 mod6 yeah
16:34 mircea_popescu perfect ; ima spend the rest of the day structuring this and we see!
16:34 mod6 ut oh
16:34 trinque wat!
16:34 mircea_popescu lmao
16:34 mircea_popescu JEALOUSY
16:34 mircea_popescu are you a blonde deedbot ?
16:35 mod6 well it should only query deedbot when issued a command. so it shouldn't be spamming it...
16:35 trinque got an SSL error
16:35 mod6 but yeah deedbot needs to be up in order for commands to function properly since it checks if someone has the proper auth/level.
16:35 mod6 ah ok.
16:36 mod6 the graphs and charts are generated 4 times per hour and pushed into: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/
16:36 mod6 including new projects.
16:36 mod6 to add a new project, you simply add a new ticket with a new project name, like this:
16:36 trinque ft meade was restarting their MITMtron to diddle tickets
16:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479258 << i don't get this. isn't the FUCKING POINT ofspending extra for "SUV" that you can drive in any direction from any point within the state of ok ?
16:36 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:40 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
16:36 mod6 %add foobar F "TEST SUBJECT" "TEST NOTES FOR NEW PROJECT TICKET"
16:36 mod6 %p foobar 1
16:36 tb0t Project: foobar, ID: 1, Type: F, Subject: TEST SUBJECT, Antecedents: , Notes: TEST NOTES FOR NEW PROJECT TICKET
16:37 mircea_popescu mod6 i feel like it's xmas!
16:37 mod6 those quotes are needed for the above. so i still need to update the help message. sorry about that.
16:37 mod6 they deliniate the start and end of the subject and notes fields. if you want to add a blocking ticket (antecedent) you just tack that on the end like so:
16:38 mod6 %add foobar X "TEST TICKET 2" "TEST TICKET 2 NOTES" 1
16:38 mod6 now ticket 2 is predicated on ticket 1
16:38 mod6 %p foobar 2
16:38 tb0t Project: foobar, ID: 2, Type: X, Subject: TEST TICKET 2, Antecedents: 1, Notes: TEST TICKET 2 NOTES
16:39 mod6 mircea_popescu: thanks! salud
16:39 shinohai :D
16:39 shinohai It lives!
16:39 mod6 it even does stuff
16:40 mod6 logging feature still needs a bit of rounding-out to implement the format we discussed before. and the help thing, which im going to tweak now actually.
16:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479261 << no but it's purer!
16:41 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:44 asciilifeform: phf: better still, ordinary cyanoacrylate glue for 50 cents a tube, but 'medical' - for $20+.
16:42 mod6 ok help is fixed, should be correct on next restart, but im fine to let you all try it out if you like.
16:42 shinohai %h
16:42 tb0t <%a|%add> <project> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
16:43 shinohai Sad I know all these commands by heart already lol
16:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479266 << mno. it bonds well the skin, and ftr cutman (boxing item) actually had a very duct-tape-y thing before ducttape, and used cyanoacrylate early also. but no such things as "cut liver", infection is the larger problem there.
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16:43 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:45 asciilifeform: (cyanoacrylate - 'super' - glue - is quite possibly the single greatest advance in wound suturing ever to happen, works great on everything from paper cut to 7.62x39-through-the-liver)
16:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479270 <<< this is a much more serious problem than anyone commonly realises. us "psych" quackery diagnosis ~= death sentence. works faster than the judicial one too, less than a decade.
16:44 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:46 trinque: or leaving with a failing liver after you succumb to their pill pushing
16:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479278 << this was illegal to do in romania ; afaik still is. kinda classic "cop wanted to snag you" thing in media, "and where's your fa kit???"
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16:45 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:50 asciilifeform: but not a box with bandages, disinfectant, tourniquette, anything.
16:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479286 << not the worst of ideas ; i had them in my mercs also. depends a lot on engine, but the water pump conveyor belt was by far the largest vulnerability of the thing. have belt, 300% better reliability, need roadside servicing never as opposed to maybe once every other year.
16:47 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:51 asciilifeform: trinque drives around with spare belts ?
16:48 mod6 shinohai: haha. you're an expert!
16:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479327 << lead pipes are seriously not a hazard. UNLESS IMBECILES.
16:49 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 16:29 phf: philadelphia is all led pipes so they just give you a little paper that lets you test the water for free, and then presumably move "elsewhere"
16:49 mircea_popescu heh... nevermind me. move elsewhere.
16:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479332 << hey, co earns its keep neh ? visa also wants a chunk of pie, so this is best solution.
16:50 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 18:07 asciilifeform: unless, of course, they have exception hardcoded for autoplunderator co.
16:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479350 << bb will end up studied in journalist school.
16:51 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 18:58 BingoBoingo: Having our own memes is important for establishing a Qntra identity that goes beyond Qntra>Coindesk while also cultivating a shared experience among our readers through humor.
16:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT, but they could not." < "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT ; and just as many have failed to date."
16:53 shinohai Inherent laziness.
16:54 shinohai SO much easier to dumbuser:pa55w0rd
16:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479356 << juyst like most anglo derps are exact clones of each other. then they wanna compete for mates and money and whatnot, in their trite identity.
16:58 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 19:06 shinohai: Most other Bitcoin related news sites are exact clones of each other, the ones I know of anyway. Bitcoinist is probably the worst.
17:06 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkiY42nUkAAFb8R.jpg <<< read, thought of asciilifeform
17:08 mircea_popescu heh. these stupid shits, seriously. all coy and like... "please fuck with hollow copyright claims". where the fuck is the mockery of "rights" and assorted bullshit ?
17:08 mircea_popescu they're definitely asking for it.
~ 28 minutes ~
17:37 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4nbish/coinbase_fails_to_accept_bitcoin_merchant_payments/ <<< more SSL plox
17:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479510 << very definitely not limited to skin. see also http://dspace.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/48962 ( plain ascii, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f37606d5-9918-4858-8243-de922cb21f94 ) for historic lulz.
17:47 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 20:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479266 << mno. it bonds well the skin, and ftr cutman (boxing item) actually had a very duct-tape-y thing before ducttape, and used cyanoacrylate early also. but no such things as "cut liver", infection is the larger problem there.
17:48 asciilifeform ~bleeding~ was the issue.
17:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479514 << ditto su. fa kit - required.
17:49 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 20:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479278 << this was illegal to do in romania ; afaik still is. kinda classic "cop wanted to snag you" thing in media, "and where's your fa kit???"
17:49 asciilifeform (probably is in all civilized countries)
17:56 mircea_popescu prolly.
18:00 mircea_popescu mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ascii_graph.txt << ideally numbers should be hooverable, ie show ticket content if you put mouse on it. title="$ticket" iirc.
18:02 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT, but they could not." < "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT ; and just as many have failed to date." << Present phrasing is a literary reference. Evaluating submission nao
18:03 asciilifeform 'Why would a Bitcoin payment processor fail to fix an error that prevents them from processing Bitcoin payments for nearly a month?' << l0l!
18:03 mircea_popescu $google "many have tried to find an easier softer way than" "but they could not"
18:04 mircea_popescu all i get is qntra :) what's the reference BingoBoingo ?
18:04 BingoBoingo Chapter 5 of the Big Book.
18:04 mircea_popescu huh.
18:04 BingoBoingo $google "many have tried to find an easier softer way but they could not"
18:05 mircea_popescu ahahaha alcoholics anonymous mmmkay.
18:06 asciilifeform sooooooo in other nyooz here's a small preview of things to come:
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18:06 asciilifeform i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
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18:07 mircea_popescu tbh, the heap should go away entirely.
18:07 mircea_popescu wtf is it even a thing for.
18:07 asciilifeform for items whose size you ~do not know~ in advance.
18:08 asciilifeform which - notably - integers used in crypto ARE NOT.
18:08 mircea_popescu this is not programming.
18:08 deedbot [Qntra] Dr. Joseph Bielanski Reappointed to California Community Colleges Board of Governor - http://qntra.net/2016/06/dr-joseph-bielanski-reappointed-to-california-community-colleges-board-of-governor/
18:08 mircea_popescu yay.
18:09 asciilifeform anyway pre-allocated-buffers-for-motherfucking-everything is sop in 'this must work' (e.g., avionics) world.
18:09 asciilifeform what is interesting is that - as far as i can tell - no one has ever published example of finite field system from such.
18:10 mircea_popescu hm.
18:11 asciilifeform 'there is a first time for everything'
18:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479258 << i don't get this. isn't the FUCKING POINT ofspending extra for "SUV" that you can drive in any direction from any point within the state of ok ? << Possibru if weather cooperates. If raining (rare) the clay soil turns into some nasty mud.
18:14 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 15:40 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
18:14 asciilifeform also typical 'suv' is 'fetish of power, not power'
18:14 asciilifeform dun actually work off the asphalt.
18:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9b3f1783-0fb7-4d13-a3a9-6291165a34ea (orig : https://cryptome.org/2016/06/appelbaum-suspension-2015.pdf )
18:16 mircea_popescu eh i can't be arsed ; working on ticketizing and who the fuck is this jwz.
18:17 asciilifeform well mircea_popescu did ask, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477797
18:17 a111 Logged on 2016-06-06 22:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question.
18:17 asciilifeform so this could be - answer.
18:17 asciilifeform or rather, part of the disinfo re same.
18:18 mircea_popescu myeah i was looking more for a single line from credible souce. "pdf" from usg exact opposite on all scores.
18:18 asciilifeform choice lulz, '...The other incident raises more serious concerns regarding Tor Project’s obligation to ensure a safe and comfortable work environment, especially as regards an environment that is unwelcoming or hostile to protected classes of community members. In this case, you made statements that implied that new community members were recruited in a sexually charged manner. This was made during the course of a Tor Project-sanct
18:18 asciilifeform ioned work session which you took part in leading. The very statement that the inception of a working relationship was in any way influenced by sexual conduct or even innuendo is offensive...'
18:19 asciilifeform hey nobody said it was true!11111
18:20 mircea_popescu the what ?!
18:20 mircea_popescu holy shit already.
18:21 mircea_popescu there is no obligation on the part of anyone to ensure "safe and comfortable" anything for anyone else. and fuck "protected classes" with a barbed fence.
18:22 mircea_popescu being part of a usg "protected class" is insta-outlawry. everyone may take your shit, rape you and kill you, and nobody cares. serves you fucking right, shithead.
18:22 * mircea_popescu can't believe there isn't a html bird flipping glyph
18:23 asciilifeform ☭!
18:23 mircea_popescu fucking turdeaters, they piled everything else in there, except the ~single nonverbal glyph anyone actually wants.
18:23 mircea_popescu blergh.
18:24 asciilifeform i looked for one when making s.nsa icon, had to make manually.
18:24 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ascii_graph.txt << ideally numbers should be hooverable, ie show ticket content if you put mouse on it. title="$ticket" iirc. << sure. the ascii ticket graph is just ascii. not sure of any way to "mark up" the text without turning into something that's not text.
18:24 mircea_popescu mod6 oh there is that huh.
18:24 mircea_popescu svg ?
18:24 mircea_popescu maybe. i dunno.
18:24 mod6 There could be some labels made or something in the ascii graph to make it a bit more readable though, i agree with that.
18:25 mod6 svg exists. that's the other one
18:25 mircea_popescu ah i had it as a plaintext display for some reason.
18:25 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/trickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
18:25 mod6 damnit "trickets"
18:25 mod6 wth
18:25 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
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18:25 mod6 :]
18:26 mod6 so that one doesn't have much of a mouse over, and probably has a lot of room for improvement all around.
18:26 mod6 the mouse over on the arrows show the relationships, the mouse over on the vertex shows the id.
18:27 mircea_popescu hahaha trickets.
18:27 mod6 if you click on the vertex, it takes you to the anchored ticket in the corresponding ticket list.
18:28 mircea_popescu mod6 what are the types ? d ? f ?
18:28 mod6 %pc
18:28 tb0t Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
18:29 mircea_popescu hm interesting.
18:29 mircea_popescu what's saga ? :D
18:29 mod6 so far, nothing entirely meaningful there, although later could do reporting or something based on code, or sorting, something. gives it a "flavor" if you will.
18:29 mod6 Saga is meant as a really large task, an adventure of sorts.
18:30 mircea_popescu works.
18:30 mod6 I'm sick of "epic" tickets, so came up with a "saga". For trb, a saga is something like ``ideal bitcoin''.
18:31 shinohai It will be interesting to state `Worked on this saga today`
18:31 mod6 :]
18:32 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/06/likely-next-french-president-wants-bitcoin-ban/#comment-61030
18:32 mod6 i felt like it could add flavor or meaning to some of these structured or arragned tickets.
18:32 mod6 %p trb 28
18:32 tb0t Project: trb, ID: 28, Type: S, Subject: Ideal bitcoin, Antecedents: 3,4,5,12,14,15,18,19,20,21,25,26, Notes:
18:32 mircea_popescu mod6 well this has been quite energizing, i'm making a thing rightnao.
18:33 mod6 Like this guy ^, for completion he depends on completion of many other ticket.s
18:33 mod6 glad you think it's a worthwhile thing Mr. P. there is so much that gets into the logs, and this will be a much easier way (hopefully) to keep track of all of the republics work or tasks, or whatever reallly.
18:34 mircea_popescu it actually encourages much more systematic thinking, and how!
~ 15 minutes ~
18:49 * shinohai raises a cup of tea to tb0t and mod6
18:56 mircea_popescu %add UCI S "TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface" "The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason." 8
18:57 mircea_popescu %p uci
18:57 tb0t [%p|%print] <project> <id>
18:57 mircea_popescu %p UCI 1
18:57 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 1, Type: S, Subject: TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface, Antecedents: 8, Notes: The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.
18:57 mircea_popescu win.
18:58 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "#trilema standard bot" "Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users."
18:59 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
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18:59 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
18:59 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
18:59 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
18:59 mircea_popescu %p UCI 6
18:59 tb0t No such ticket was found with id: 6.
19:00 mircea_popescu %p UCI 2
19:00 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
19:00 mircea_popescu %p UCI 3
19:00 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:00 mircea_popescu %p UCI 4
19:00 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:00 mircea_popescu %p UCI 5
19:00 tb0t No such ticket was found with id: 5.
19:00 mircea_popescu mod6 ^ bug!
19:00 mircea_popescu %r UCI 3
19:00 mircea_popescu %r UCI 4
19:01 mircea_popescu %p UCI 3
19:01 tb0t No such ticket was found with id: 3.
19:01 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
19:01 mircea_popescu %p UCI 3
19:01 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:01 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
19:01 mircea_popescu %p UCI 4
19:01 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:01 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
19:01 mircea_popescu %p UCI 5
19:01 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 5, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:01 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
19:01 mircea_popescu %p UCI 6
19:01 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 6, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:02 mircea_popescu %add UCI I "Research and design UCI/worker interface." "UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity. " 3,4,5,6
19:02 mircea_popescu %p UCI 7
19:02 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
19:02 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities (in satoshi/Gb/second of storage for instance) and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands, retur
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19:02 mircea_popescu ns results to peer." 2,7
19:02 mircea_popescu %p UCI 8
19:02 tb0t No such ticket was found with id: 8.
19:02 mircea_popescu darn.
19:03 mircea_popescu %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands, returns results to peer." 2,7
19:03 mircea_popescu %p UCI 8
19:03 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
19:03 mircea_popescu win.
19:04 mircea_popescu does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
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19:05 trinque seems you could execute things on a variety of UCI workers and compare results
19:05 trinque I recall the last thread about this
19:06 mircea_popescu do anything you damn well please - from hosting your (uninterdictable) website on half a million random machines to nuking whitehouse.org
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19:06 trinque love it.
19:07 mircea_popescu map the entire dns system, eavesdrop the entire internet, create your own dns, launch satellites and nukes (hey, who's to say what peripherals a given machine has, amirite ?), whatever.
19:07 mircea_popescu if it is computing, it belongs to us.
19:11 mircea_popescu if nothing else, it'll put an actual market rate on running bitcoin nodes.
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19:11 * mod6 reads scrollback
19:13 mod6 %p uci 1
19:13 tb0t No such ticket was found with id: 1.
19:13 mod6 o.O
19:13 mircea_popescu caps
19:13 mod6 %p UCI 1
19:13 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 1, Type: S, Subject: TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface, Antecedents: 8, Notes: The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.
19:13 mod6 ok
19:13 mod6 %p UCI 2
19:13 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
19:14 mod6 %p UCI 3
19:14 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:14 mod6 %p UCI 4
19:14 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:14 mod6 %p UCI 5
19:14 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 5, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:14 mod6 %p UCI 6
19:14 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 6, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
19:14 mod6 %p UCI 7
19:14 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
19:14 mod6 %p UCI 8
19:14 tb0t Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
19:15 mod6 ok, yeah, i see all of those in the file. lemme see what happened when you were entering 'em. thanks for doing that, might be a weird timing issue or something, not sure.
19:15 mircea_popescu prolly some race conditions i'd guess
19:16 mod6 ah, yeah, ok. i see all of 'em came in at nearly the same time. should have handled it, but looks like it got a bit confused.
19:16 mod6 i'll check into that.
19:16 mod6 cool, your graphs are up :]
19:17 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html << only 4 tickets oddly.
19:17 mod6 oh!
19:17 mircea_popescu maybe not yet long enough though
19:17 mircea_popescu i'd give it a few mins.
19:17 mod6 probably because it was related to the timing of entering the tickets.
19:17 mod6 the next update ~should~ contain them all.
19:17 mod6 yeah, exactly.
19:18 mod6 ok refresh, it's updated :]
19:19 mircea_popescu sveet!
19:19 mircea_popescu of course... aren't the arrows backwards ?
19:20 mod6 hm. so is ticket 1 an antecedent (parent) of ticket 8?
19:20 mircea_popescu no but hm.
19:20 mircea_popescu shouldn't arrows point from root to fruit ?
19:20 mircea_popescu (do x) -> (so you can do y) -> (so you can be done)
19:21 mircea_popescu did i do them backwards ?
19:21 mod6 no. actually.
19:21 mod6 so ticket 1 is a saga, which can't be complete until 8 is complete, correct?
19:21 BingoBoingo So who is writing up the Qntra "T Ascendant"?
19:21 mircea_popescu correct.
19:21 mod6 ok then that should be fine it kinda looks funny i suppose. but 1 is the root.
19:22 mod6 and the 5, 6, 4, 3, are the leaves
19:22 mircea_popescu i guess just takes getting used to
19:22 mod6 well and #2
19:22 mircea_popescu any convention's just a convention after all.
19:22 mod6 yah, i kinda modled it after how the tree looks for V.
19:23 mod6 ooh, i see
19:23 mod6 so for ticket 6, i may have put in its antecedent as 7
19:23 mod6 and the same for 3, 4, 5
19:24 mircea_popescu well no the other way around ; 7 depends on them
19:24 mod6 hmmm ok lemme see
19:25 mod6 so yeah, we start with a large chunk, and it breaks down to smaller chunks.
19:26 mircea_popescu aha
19:27 mod6 this looks right to me
19:28 mod6 i guess this can be re-worked if it invokes too much mental gymnastics.
19:28 mod6 but to me looks like everything goes the right way, and dependentcies are in the correct direction
19:29 mod6 maybe "ANTECEDENTS" is a bad word here, perhaps "DEPENDENTS"
19:29 mod6 that might make it that much more clear.
19:30 mod6 your tickets are awesome btw
19:31 mod6 wewt!
19:33 mod6 and as we start to work on these features, it is meant (at least by me) that tasks and other atomic work will be children of the features.
19:39 mod6 BingoBoingo: did you read these tickets? don't miss out on Mr. P.'s vision for TMSR~ here in the story.
19:39 mod6 I feel like we've needed this tool for some time as he was only needing a way to track and graph the work required.
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19:40 BingoBoingo mod6: Well I asked the question in case you or mircea_popescu wanted to have the honor of writing up T
19:40 mod6 oooh
19:40 shinohai mod6 makes Qntra debut
19:41 mod6 ;;seen mike_c
19:41 gribble mike_c was last seen in #trilema 6 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 40 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
19:41 mod6 ah. ok.
19:41 mod6 btcalpha isn't updating from deedbot ?
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19:42 mod6 I'm not much of a writer. Obviously.
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19:42 mod6 lol
19:42 mod6 But I'll take a shot at it I guess as long as the proceeds can be donated to The Bitcoin Foundation.
19:43 BingoBoingo mod6: You arrange that with jurov
19:43 mod6 Ah, he's the man on that then, ok.
19:43 mod6 jdawg: does that work ok?
19:43 mod6 he'll get back to us, im sure its fine.
19:45 mod6 unless mircea_popescu wants to have the honor, then by all means.
19:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479749 << this is tru
19:54 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:39 mod6: I feel like we've needed this tool for some time as he was only needing a way to track and graph the work required.
19:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479756 <<< i dun recall where that got mired ; iirc mike_c wanted some data from trinque no idea if he ever got it an' he's been kinda awol.
19:55 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:41 mod6: btcalpha isn't updating from deedbot ?
19:55 mod6 ah
19:56 mircea_popescu mod6 anyway, go ahead an' write it up, i already did a qntra today
19:59 mod6 ah, ok. working on something here...
19:59 shinohai btw mircea_popescu "Pace in our Time!" good one
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19:59 mod6 ahaha
20:01 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479757 Says "I'm not much of a writer", writes awesome bot.
20:01 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:42 mod6: I'm not much of a writer. Obviously.
20:02 mod6 o7
20:03 mod6 Couldn't have done it without you though, thanks for all the testing help. Most sincerely.
20:08 shinohai Glad to have been help and not hindrance ... 'twas an honour to participate.
20:08 shinohai And really fun, learned a lot about perl I didn't before.
20:08 mod6 salud; now that we've got a ticketing system, we can see how much there really is to do still! haha.
20:09 mod6 much more to come / work on.
20:09 * mod6 turning people to the dark side, one at a time.
20:09 shinohai Well this place has kinda mrphed into full-time between Bitcoin and Qntra lol
20:09 shinohai *morphed
20:10 mod6 watch out or you'll start writing #!/usr/bin/perl all the time
20:10 mod6 :D
20:11 trinque mircea_popescu: mike_c told me he was able to connect to my db; subsequently haven't heard from him
20:11 shinohai Since we finished the rss thing last night, I'm already working on a new one xD
20:15 * asciilifeform lands face first into gnarly l0gz
20:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479597 << veeery labour-intensive to read
20:17 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 22:25 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
20:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479630 << lel what in satan's name is this for??
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20:18 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 22:59 mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
20:19 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479597 << veeery labour-intensive to read << ok, noted. so my first stab at this... more here please.
20:19 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 22:25 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
20:19 mod6 its hard because there are like a number of disconnected graphs, or hard because of mental gymnastics? i'd like to make it better, so your input helps.
20:19 asciilifeform because clicking
20:20 asciilifeform i have it on a 2160x3840 display
20:20 asciilifeform why should there be ocean of white
20:20 asciilifeform vs the text that wants to be in them bubbles.
20:20 mod6 i probably could/should have all of the tickets clumped under one tree. but i need to work on the tickets and ordering etc.
20:20 asciilifeform thing is a good start
20:21 asciilifeform maybe borrow phf's formatting code he used in his patch viewer?
20:22 mod6 i'll see what i can do, ya. ok.
20:22 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << i distinctly recall mircea_popescu outlining this wish list a while back. but must confess that i suspect cpu cycle rental - even PINCHED cycles from OTHER PEOPLE, in botnet - to be a -ev proposition. strange, but there it is.
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20:22 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
20:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:22 asciilifeform one of them things that costs more to parcel out than it is worth.
20:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479676 << i suspect that there are not half a million machines with decent bandwidth and disk.
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20:23 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:06 mircea_popescu: do anything you damn well please - from hosting your (uninterdictable) website on half a million random machines to nuking whitehouse.org
20:24 asciilifeform but more importantly, the software stack that gives you anything like smooth migration between rapidly born and dying machines, is NOT THERE
20:24 asciilifeform was not invented.
20:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ever personally arrange a db replication thing ?
20:24 asciilifeform recall how much misery ?
20:25 asciilifeform and that's with 2+ DECENT unixlike boxen, with DECENT bandwidth and ~reasonably reliable hardware, that you CONTROL...
20:25 asciilifeform this is sorta like our 'revelation' re crypto a few months back.
20:25 asciilifeform there is ~no tech, only duct tape and chewing gum.
20:26 asciilifeform as for ddosing, usg infrastructure is ddosproof because they multi-head their dns or whatever the term was for the thing you can ONLY do with crapflare
20:27 asciilifeform ddos only exists for the rest of us.
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20:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479680 << not that, either. because how do you VERIFY ?????
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20:27 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:11 mircea_popescu: if nothing else, it'll put an actual market rate on running bitcoin nodes.
20:28 asciilifeform it is in principle quite impossible to verify that the thing you wanted computed, was computed, unless it is very tangible input/output pair like mersenne primes or whatnot.
20:28 asciilifeform it is certainly impossible to reliably distinguish node from pseudonode, for instance.
20:29 asciilifeform the other thing about renting out pwned boxes,
20:29 asciilifeform is that a reasonably competent griefer can rent the chumpnet and ~clean it~
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20:30 asciilifeform or at least perma-hose the boxen.
20:30 asciilifeform and there cannot even in principle be an answer to this.
20:30 asciilifeform the only reason it does not happen more often with garden-variety botnets is that competent folk are few and far between and no one in particular is a sufficiently-appealing target.
20:31 * asciilifeform has been contemplating this very subj for many, many years.
20:34 asciilifeform it is ~precisely~ the 'rent out the space inside your nose!' contemplated in one of mircea_popescu's articles.
20:44 BingoBoingo Nah, renting out the space in OTHER people's noses
20:44 asciilifeform dun wurk either.
20:46 asciilifeform you rent out yer chumpnet, and some bozo installs, e.g., 'cryptolocker', on all the nodes.
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20:46 asciilifeform now wat.
20:46 asciilifeform you need a new one ?
20:50 mod6 BingoBoingo you may want to update the 'about' page on qntra, buncha #bitcoin-assets links and such.
20:53 shinohai ^
21:03 phf asciilifeform: i thought that botnets had pre-programmed set of functions, like "rent botnet to ddos" or "rent botnet to spam", and that functions were provided by owner
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21:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479838 << i was speaking of how most folks even get their proggy on the infected boxes in the first place
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21:09 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 01:03 phf: asciilifeform: i thought that botnets had pre-programmed set of functions, like "rent botnet to ddos" or "rent botnet to spam", and that functions were provided by owner
21:09 asciilifeform typically they pay 'per install'
21:10 asciilifeform riding, so to speak, a bus
21:10 phf oh interesting
21:11 asciilifeform this model is traditional but plays poorly with, e.g., cryptolockers, as these often result in hosed and reformatted box
21:11 asciilifeform i have nfi what will replace it.
21:12 phf i've been burned by fellow scriptkiddies back in my scriptkiddy days enough times to not trust anyone with that sort of open access. i thought that would be the case with others. perhaps there's a distinction between "us" and "johns" happening here. if the person is paying for botnet access, is probably mark to begin with
21:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479772 << elided e's. feats of fortitude :D
21:14 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:59 shinohai: btw mircea_popescu "Pace in our Time!" good one
21:14 asciilifeform thing is, ~all trojans share heavily infested box.
21:15 phf but you can easily upgrade open access service to a custom service and charge for the extra work too. if you want your ads injected on all machines, you don't get to put own exe, needs to spec out the problem and give it to botnet owner to develop. also means that particularly losery owners will rapidly transfer their botnets to smarter crowd
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21:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479792 << exactly.
21:16 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479630 << lel what in satan's name is this for??
21:17 phf but then i'm just talking out of my ass, i've been out of that field for a long time. i just suspect that the scenario you describe is already pretty common and is probably part of разборки
21:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479805 << doesn't have to be botnet. for one thing, once this is ready i'll be running it on dedi boxes. for another thing, you make your own administrative policies. sell for whatever price you want whatever you want to sell.
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21:17 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:22 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << i distinctly recall mircea_popescu outlining this wish list a while back. but must confess that i suspect cpu cycle rental - even PINCHED cycles from OTHER PEOPLE, in botnet - to be a -ev proposition. strange, but there it is.
21:17 mircea_popescu storage only for instance.
21:17 asciilifeform why would you want unreliable storage?
21:17 mircea_popescu because unreliable is much much better than "reliable"
21:17 asciilifeform didn't we do the 1024 chickens thing?
21:17 mircea_popescu currently we have "reliable", and i don't want it.
21:18 asciilifeform how many chickens adds up to mercedes motor?
21:18 asciilifeform and let's also say a % of'em are dead at any time, and dragged along by living
21:18 mircea_popescu never mind the chicken perspective. this commoditizes computers.
21:18 phf build for the ecosystem you have not the ecosystem you want sort of thing
21:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~would~ commoditize. if anyone knew how.
21:19 mircea_popescu ALL computers. ie, the computer attached to the 3d printer as much as to the atm at the bank as much as anything else.
21:19 mircea_popescu bitcoin is good, but ~not enough. it's not enough for enemy to be unable to retain the salaried interest of dea thugs.
21:20 mircea_popescu they must be ~unable to retain control over any box.
21:20 mircea_popescu "apparently an intern installed uci. it's the third time this week."
21:21 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu just wants an ordinary chumpnet that is a different and far more practical convo.
21:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479809 << factually, there's about a billion and a half of them.
21:21 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479676 << i suspect that there are not half a million machines with decent bandwidth and disk.
21:21 asciilifeform and flows from gossipd.
21:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually this should work as a proper tor relay for gossipd.
21:21 asciilifeform this, yes .
21:22 mircea_popescu other than the numerous deliberate sabotages, tor fails in a game theoretic manner - no incentive to participate.
21:22 mircea_popescu socialism.
21:22 asciilifeform but as for 'host a blog ON it and it be readable more often than not' - nobody yet discovered how.
21:22 mircea_popescu give it some time, it'll work fine. if aws works, if folding@home works, if torrents work this'll work superbly.
21:22 asciilifeform aws uses far bigger chunks.
21:23 asciilifeform and reliable pipes.
21:23 asciilifeform anyway afaik state of the art re dht remains edonkey.
21:24 mircea_popescu be all that as it may.
21:24 asciilifeform students of subj ought to begin there.
21:24 asciilifeform and kademlia.
21:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479819 << allow me to lol.
21:24 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:27 asciilifeform: ddos only exists for the rest of us.
21:25 mircea_popescu possibly gnutella also of interest.
21:25 asciilifeform as example of what NOT to do.
21:25 asciilifeform it sucked balls.
21:25 asciilifeform slow.
21:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479820 << exactly how you "verify" now. go, verify phuctor.
21:25 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:27 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479680 << not that, either. because how do you VERIFY ?????
21:25 asciilifeform see log
21:25 asciilifeform there is a class of easy verifiables
21:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479825 << there's a wot for this.
21:26 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:29 asciilifeform: is that a reasonably competent griefer can rent the chumpnet and ~clean it~
21:26 asciilifeform and a far bigger class of easy pseudonodables.
21:26 mircea_popescu a "reasonable competent" whatever could... what, bother deedbot. hurr durr.
21:26 mircea_popescu really, these objections belong pre 2010.
21:26 asciilifeform this is a little different. 'somebody dropped nuke on me' 'negrate him!''
21:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact remains you can not, at this present time, distinguish your own node on random box from faux node planted there.
21:27 asciilifeform tru!!
21:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this "little different" is essentially saying "the wot is a nice toy but it'll never scale".
21:27 asciilifeform at least from outside.
21:27 mircea_popescu you're welcome to believe that, if you wish. but this place is constructed on that being stupid.
21:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: scales but note how wot dun keep anyone from being stabbed, we have other tools for that
21:28 asciilifeform it is part of balanced diet of defense
21:28 mircea_popescu still ; you have a botnet you're worried about, can parcel it out, rent 10 chunks of 1k machines to 10 people, see who runs with it etc.
21:29 mircea_popescu trust. it builds. all that's needed is a marketplace to build it.
21:29 asciilifeform ~HOW~ do you intend to attribute the defection?
21:29 asciilifeform wot relies on attribution of deeds, misdeeds.
21:29 asciilifeform on some identity.
21:30 mircea_popescu inasmuch as something is computable ; defection is attributable.
21:30 asciilifeform here we are speaking of infected boxes.
21:30 mircea_popescu whatever we may be speaking of.
21:30 asciilifeform in ~all cases, ~multiply~ infected. syphiliticly.
21:30 mircea_popescu so then what exactly was lost.
21:30 asciilifeform can't attribute worth shit.
21:31 asciilifeform well, potentially any and all nodes, lost. whenever.
21:31 mircea_popescu soooo why should we care about this ?
21:31 asciilifeform gotta have some minimal level of working node, neh?
21:32 asciilifeform otherwise if it dun need to actually work, we can proclaim that we already have it!11111
21:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479854
21:32 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 01:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479805 << doesn't have to be botnet. for one thing, once this is ready i'll be running it on dedi boxes. for another thing, you make your own administrative policies. sell for whatever price you want whatever you want to sell.
21:33 asciilifeform this is more practical.
21:33 asciilifeform but less 'sexy', no atms, nukes...
21:34 mircea_popescu it's plenty sexy. it resolves a number of notable problems, correctly - which is to say without support for usg.
21:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479833 <<< don't deal with bozos.
21:34 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 00:46 asciilifeform: you rent out yer chumpnet, and some bozo installs, e.g., 'cryptolocker', on all the nodes.
21:35 asciilifeform you still want something that survives occasional bozo.
21:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479839 << really, who the everloving shit cares about the needs, hopes and aspirations of 19yo script kiddies. fuck 'em. maybe if they have a sister and she's slutty i might be interested.
21:35 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 01:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479838 << i was speaking of how most folks even get their proggy on the infected boxes in the first place
21:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform once evolutionary pressure is on, you might even get that something.
21:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479850 << something of this very nature.
21:36 a111 Logged on 2016-06-10 01:15 phf: but you can easily upgrade open access service to a custom service and charge for the extra work too. if you want your ads injected on all machines, you don't get to put own exe, needs to spec out the problem and give it to botnet owner to develop. also means that particularly losery owners will rapidly transfer their botnets to smarter crowd
21:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: discussed kiddiez because currently that is what lives there. like chukcha, in the north. ~nobody else there.
21:36 mircea_popescu but you discuss it as if i'd give a half of a flying fuck.
21:37 mircea_popescu this is the borg. cube lands and starts sucking the earth from under their feet. no shits given, at all, much like i don't look for anthill oppinions before during or after real estate development.
21:37 asciilifeform strictly in light of 'client can hose the boxes' which applies to chukcha and mircea_popescu alike.
21:38 asciilifeform builders ~do~ give fuck re termites.
21:38 mircea_popescu client that hoses boxes i suppose doesn't get to rent more, what.
21:38 asciilifeform and how do you know which one did it ?
21:38 mircea_popescu you know who you rent to, do you ?
21:39 asciilifeform say you rent to 1000 folks.
21:39 asciilifeform next day, all nodes vanish.
21:39 mircea_popescu "list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate." this has a meaning.
21:39 asciilifeform now wat
21:39 mircea_popescu you rent THE SAME item to 1k diff folks ?
21:39 phf what happened to wot?
21:39 mircea_popescu this is a wotless joke. you don't even know 1k people.
21:39 asciilifeform 'no overlaps' is one solution.
21:40 mircea_popescu phf we're playing this alf invented game where he picks an item and ignores all the rest.
21:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fine, make it six people. how do you find the traitor (or simple incompetent who let his nodes get hijacked by third party)
21:41 asciilifeform this is an approachable problem, and i wanted to learn what mircea_popescu 's approach is.
21:41 asciilifeform 'lalalala not problem and stfu' is not an approach.
21:41 mircea_popescu a) if your control on the box is strong, then your control on the box is strong. this means you fix the problem ; b) if your control on the box is weak, this means your control on the box is weak. this means you understand you can lose it.
21:42 asciilifeform if it is ever a winblowz box, it is weak.
21:42 asciilifeform if you infected it, others could have also.
21:42 mircea_popescu wtf is so hard about this. so random twerp likes to have b and pretend it's a. good for him, random twerps like to lie in their accounting ever since they were invented. this is what "bitcoin investments" on the forum were all about throughout. so ?
21:42 asciilifeform there is no 'a'. not in botnet.
21:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't have a solution ; because this is a design not an implementation.
21:43 mircea_popescu i know it's not an ~insurmountable~ problem, in the context and per the definitions relevant.
21:43 mircea_popescu and that's just about all i care about.
21:43 asciilifeform damn and here i was expecting a philosopher's stone!1111
21:44 mircea_popescu yeah well. anyway, if your windows boxes are owned through the tenuous interface of whatever random chump-trojan, perhaps not allow a number of operations you feel you're vulnerable to.
21:44 asciilifeform one very simple solution is to recruit new nodes faster than whoever can ruin them.
21:44 mircea_popescu such as, sell them out for number crunching ; but not for pinging. or w/e.
21:45 asciilifeform and this.
21:45 mircea_popescu but in general, i fully expect this to work in the sense that random kid makes money to play everquest or w/e the fuck he plays through the avenue of renting the box.
21:46 asciilifeform would go well with keccakcoin or other cpu miner's paradise, also.
21:46 mircea_popescu his government pays an extra 40 bux a month ; his parents pay an extra 30 bux a month (not counting amortisation for hardware) and he gets 15 dollars a month out of maybe 25 to 50 dollars' worth of monthly utility delivered to the world.
21:46 mircea_popescu yet another avenue to bleed the state and it's supporters (fucktarded parents with utility bills).
21:46 mircea_popescu win-win.
21:46 asciilifeform sorta like bitcoin circa 2010.
21:47 asciilifeform when whole university labz were mining.
21:48 asciilifeform i very deeply grasp ~what~ mircea_popescu wants to achieve with this thing, and it is a thing that direly needs doing. but not so trivial!
21:49 * asciilifeform brb
21:58 BingoBoingo mod6: fixed, just need the deedbot wiki url
22:07 BingoBoingo found, fxd
~ 44 minutes ~
22:52 mod6 cool!
22:52 mod6 im still working on a bit of a write up here...
22:53 mod6 do I have to add the HTML, links and all that? Or do you do the mark up?
22:53 mod6 How does that work?
~ 22 minutes ~
23:15 BingoBoingo You use the limited necessary set of html markup to accomplish the task <b> <i> <a> <blockquote> etc
~ 35 minutes ~
23:51 mod6 you don't want me to use a bunch of JS to do a bunch of things to make your eyes bleed?
23:51 mod6 :D
23:53 mod6 do you want me to put in the class attributes?
23:54 mod6 like this: <div class="entry-content">
23:54 mod6 ?
23:54 BingoBoingo no
23:54 BingoBoingo no divs
23:54 BingoBoingo no js
23:55 mod6 no ajax?
23:55 mod6 :P
23:55 mod6 OK, so then what.
23:55 mod6 encrypt and send to you for review?
23:57 BingoBoingo encrypt sign and dpaste
23:57 BingoBoingo in some order
23:58 mod6 clearsign+encrypt -> dpaste ?
23:59 mod6 my apologies, is this documented somewhere?
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