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00:00 punkman a lot of it is from the fucking recruiters spamming everywhere with imagined job descriptions
00:01 punkman /me looks for telecommuting jobs once in a while
00:02 asciilifeform at this point i would do pretty much anything so long as it pays the bills and is 100% tele
00:02 asciilifeform but this is so far not entirely different from 'need unicorn that is precisely 11 ft tall'
00:08 punkman dunno, lower bills definitely make it easier
00:10 BingoBoingo <adlai> BingoBoingo: how about that btc diff adjustment beat, is it still open? << yes, if you can submit them in a timely manner
00:15 gernika asciilifeform: I have telecommuted since 2013 - mostly for friends doing work that tends to trigger teeth kicking behavior, however.
00:16 gernika that said, I no longer have to put up with the absurdity of doing that same work in an open office.
00:16 gernika or commuting to do it in such a hellspace
00:17 asciilifeform what's an 'open office'
00:17 punkman my longest 9-5 was 2 months. and it was actually 9-3. :P
00:17 gernika no cubes even - just tables in medium sized rooms, sometimes staring cooworkers in the face the entire day.
00:18 asciilifeform srsly this exists ?
00:18 punkman yeah
00:18 asciilifeform sounds like 19th c. sweatshop
00:18 mats lol
00:18 * asciilifeform never set foot in such a thing
00:18 gernika this is to work in san francisco
00:18 asciilifeform i've also never set foot in san francisco
00:18 asciilifeform and not sure i want to
00:19 gernika I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
00:20 asciilifeform i turned down a bunch of work from that city
00:20 phf what? san francisco is awesome, it's just it was ruined by the tech scene
00:20 asciilifeform for a while my phone rang and rang with it
00:20 asciilifeform but i dun need a flat in a motherfucking tower with no dishwasher for 5k/mo, for anything.
00:20 gernika aha phf I meant I wouldn't recommend working in san francisco
00:20 phf ah word
00:23 asciilifeform see also orwell's proverbial 'During the boom years, when dollars were plentiful and the exchange-value of the franc was low, Paris was invaded by such a swarm of artists, writers, students, dilettanti, sight-seers, debauchees, and plain idlers as the world has probably never seen. In some quarters of the town the so-called artists must actually have outnumbered the working population — indeed, it has been reckoned that in the late
00:23 asciilifeform twenties there were as many as 30,000 painters in Paris, most of them impostors. The populace had grown so hardened to artists that gruff-voiced lesbians in corduroy breeches and young men in Grecian or medieval costume could walk the streets without attracting a glance, and along the Seine banks Notre Dame it was almost impossible to pick one's way between the sketching-stools. It was the age of dark horses and neglected genii; the
00:23 asciilifeform phrase on everybody's lips was 'Quand je serai lancé'. As it turned out, nobody was 'lancé', the slump descended like another Ice Age, the cosmopolitan mob of artists vanished, and the huge Montparnasse cafés which only ten years ago were filled till the small hours by hordes of shrieking poseurs have turned into darkened tombs in which there are not even any ghosts.'
00:23 asciilifeform ^ re san fran.
00:26 gernika I regularly meet people who *just* moved here and are working on a kickstarter.
00:29 asciilifeform gernika: aha, precisely orwell's shrieking poseurs.
00:31 adlai asciilifeform: as i just said (to my dad!), "every time i open my mouth, i add-a-lie to the world"
00:31 asciilifeform l0l
00:31 * adlai is a two-syllable name, and caused himself great suffering to utter that joke out loud
00:33 adlai BingoBoingo: awesome. timeliness is not the problem, but rather... https://youtu.be/LqQlCOmXuHM?t=55s
00:41 adlai gernika: that's just how autodesk was, but it was a pretty cool office. i'd probably kill a family member (no-nuke-o) to work there again.
00:41 adlai too bad i'm such a liar!
00:42 adlai $down adlai
00:43 adlai fiiiinally damn robot does something right.
00:43 adlai $down adlai
00:43 ben_vulpes no kicks this time tho
00:44 ben_vulpes but hey, enough like home that the memory should fade one day
00:47 * adlai tries calculating how much tighter to wind the five remaining strings to compensate for the snapped e
00:47 adlai or am i doing it rong
00:47 phf there's nothing that makes an open office like that an inherently bad idea. i'm sure before it turned into a nasty cost saving fad, a group of people could assemble for a period of time and in such a space so as to successfully deliver. it just that the model now stands for shit jobs, because that's the only jobs easily accessible in failing economies. a shit job is not going to be made better by a wfh
00:48 ben_vulpes at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
00:48 adlai sounds like a microchip,of the square millipede persuasion
00:49 ben_vulpes benefits: a) privacy. only the desk next to a given desk can really see what's on the screen. b) gotta be intentional about conversations, look around the monitors at each other.
00:50 ben_vulpes can't afford individual cubes for everyone, 'tis the best design we came up with.
00:54 phf there's a difference between "when we rich we get individual offices" and "we all scream together in a giant room, because we're happening right now"
00:55 * adlai suddenly satoris republican humor as well! thx phf
00:56 adlai bbl
01:08 ben_vulpes no screaming in the office, generally save that for the hill
01:09 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: will no doubt show up later and "young fool that sounds like the most miserable thing", and yes. we are young fools.
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01:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449953 << word. nfi when bois figured "the way to carrie" is to "be a recruiter" instead of w/e the fuck those schmucks in friends/cheers/whatevers are. "designers" or "writers" or whatnot.
01:47 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 04:00 punkman: a lot of it is from the fucking recruiters spamming everywhere with imagined job descriptions
01:48 mircea_popescu very typical of the ambitious twerp to imagine moontrip by own breech pulling is JUST THIS ONE TWEAK AWAY
01:48 mircea_popescu if only you pulled on your foreskin LIKE THIS particular way, the peach pit girlfriend would TOTALLY materialize.
01:48 mircea_popescu it's the other schmucks not pulling on their own foreskin in the exactly right way that barred them from peach pit lovin', you see. nothing wrong with the principle of things.
01:49 mircea_popescu nothing can ever be wrong with the principle of things. just... gotta do it the RIGHT WAY.
01:49 mircea_popescu that right there is cargo cultism at its peach pit core.
01:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449967 << because it is.
01:58 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 04:18 asciilifeform: sounds like 19th c. sweatshop
02:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449984 << that's what http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ is for.
02:01 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 04:26 gernika: I regularly meet people who *just* moved here and are working on a kickstarter.
02:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449999 << there's something that does : the people involved aren't sexually intimate. yes, slavegirls enjoy working in "open kitchen", often hands in same pot. nevertheless, if you had tried to mix them with their mothers / insufferable siblings etc, watch the fireworks.
02:03 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 04:47 phf: there's nothing that makes an open office like that an inherently bad idea. i'm sure before it turned into a nasty cost saving fad, a group of people could assemble for a period of time and in such a space so as to successfully deliver. it just that the model now stands for shit jobs, because that's the only jobs easily accessible in failing economies. a shit job is not going to be made better by a wfh
02:04 mircea_popescu generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.
02:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450000 << install a coupla poles, hire strippers to work in the middle and serve one free drink/hour ; you're made.
02:06 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 04:48 ben_vulpes: at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
02:08 mircea_popescu this is totally how i'd run a softwareho sweatshop if i were running one.
02:12 phf aye, symbolics style https://www.facebook.com/509092289172342/photos/pb.509092289172342.-2207520000.1460355053./771729566241945/?type=3&theater
02:14 mircea_popescu that may be the worst stripper act i ever saw and wtf is with the lesbo hair.
02:15 phf 80s?
02:16 phf i mean they just discovered bowie
02:16 mircea_popescu that's not 80s hair. THIS is 80s hair https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFQsFmmG_r0lj9dI4dq57VYfgAi-ZpSOVBt594F1URC1E7DteI
02:19 phf that's a cool people hair, eastern europe, new york, batcave even
02:20 phf i think soccer moms (and not too young strippers apparently) were going for that annie lennox look
02:20 ben_vulpes https://www.facebook.com/Symbolics-Inc-509092289172342/ << treasure trove
02:21 mircea_popescu not too young, not too tall, not too in shape, not too tits, not too experienced, wtf fucking strippers are these already. being old should at least mean you no longer behave like the coy imbecile.
02:22 mircea_popescu ref : http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/
02:28 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << spot the bug
02:30 mircea_popescu o wow, woulda look at that. science utterly prevailed then, has it.
02:30 phf it's hard for me to defend that picture, sort of like watching your parent's debauchery pictures, except hypothetical "parents" because my parents were actually cool. perhaps parent's friend's cousin from small town.
02:30 mircea_popescu phf what's the moscow equivalent of bakersfield ?
02:30 phf but on the bright side, the man would've been fired were it a circa 2016 picture
02:30 ben_vulpes he looks a bit displeased
02:33 phf podolsk? yaroslavl? just generally outside of MKAD
02:37 mircea_popescu bakersfield is this specific thing, satellite city of the great city where the zombies live.
02:40 phf yeah, i'm wondering if there even exists a ru equivalent concept
02:40 mircea_popescu see, romania has caracal, "the town where the cart of idiots toppled over".
02:40 mircea_popescu ie, "un' s-o imburdat caru' cu prosti"
02:44 mircea_popescu (also locally famous for the locally-celebrated "7 wonders of Caracal", to wit : that it has a prison, on Freedom street ; one bread factory, on Famine street ; the only school is called "School #2" ; the fire department burned down ; the door of police preceinct was stolen ; they built around a high crane in such a way the crane couldn't be extracted anymore so was left on the grounds, a sort of monument to caracalean engine
02:44 mircea_popescu ering ; the train station had a monstrous clock whose face had the time in both roman numerals (I to XII, except for IV which is for some reason marked as IIII) as well as arabic (13 to 24). etc.
02:45 ben_vulpes omg
02:45 mircea_popescu http://altfeldestiri.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ceas-caracal-282x300.jpg?42cd43 << clockface in question.
02:45 phf ahah
02:46 mircea_popescu http://www.oneblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/normal_caracal.jpg << other items of local flavour
02:47 ben_vulpes wow
02:47 phf yeah, in moscow we call it rest of country
02:47 mircea_popescu lol
02:50 phf although there are two particular towns that are considered something of that, Uryupinsk and Muhosransk. first one is a real town, but second one translates as "town of fly-shit"
02:51 mircea_popescu lol
02:56 mircea_popescu anyway, i think i'ma go for jimki.
02:56 phf jimki?
02:56 mircea_popescu sounds like the great name of a russian bakersfield. could even be a character, Jim from Jimki
02:57 phf oh oh like zhimki
02:57 mircea_popescu phf Химки
02:58 mircea_popescu where they invented the super-duper tough HOMO police force.
02:59 phf yeah that's a good choice. that one is particularly painful one, because it has no qualities beyond "people sleep there and then commute for 4 hours everyday to work in moscow"
03:00 mircea_popescu so has birdy whispered in my ear.
03:02 phf yeah, uryupinsk made me all nostalgic, "mother russia" and all that. химки just looks depressing.
03:02 phf http://www.khimki.info/upload/medialibrary/4c3/02_vidi.JPG vs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Intercession_Church_Uryupinsk.jpg
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05:50 mircea_popescu incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
05:56 deedbot- [Trilema] Files from the War on the Web. Today, Literotica. - http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/
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08:27 BingoBoingo Oh, davout is resolving BitBets nao?
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09:29 davout BingoBoingo: I is indeed.
09:35 mircea_popescu o there he is. they take weekends off where you're from ?!
09:38 davout :)
09:42 mircea_popescu and in other news... http://49.media.tumblr.com/54cadd320beb6a3efa1b85b4e3bd721a/tumblr_nisw8hzBzU1stthtfo1_400.gif
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10:10 shinohai I see your balcony blowjob and raise you blindfold bj: https://i.imgur.com/fgU1xh1.webm
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10:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450022 << much simpler than this. thought i suppose mircea_popescu is enjoying being deliberately thick.
10:41 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 06:04 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.
10:41 asciilifeform what's better, eating 1 pound of shit, or 10 ?
10:41 asciilifeform telecommute is simply LESS of the loathesome torture than the alternative.
10:42 asciilifeform for instance, i do 3+ hrs of UNPAID idiocy every day, just sitting in the motherfucking car.
10:45 jurov pray tell, what alternative you're thinking of here?
10:48 asciilifeform jurov: original thread was 'telecommute is nice' -- mp: 'nah you all suck and what does it matter what you little white mice do or don't do'
10:52 jurov oh so.
10:52 asciilifeform aha.
10:52 jurov btw, what about hiring some schmuck to drive you around for bitcoins?
10:53 asciilifeform jurov: this exists, it is called the train
10:53 shinohai Some paki uber fag
10:53 jurov you can pay for train directly with coinz?
10:53 asciilifeform i don't like being driven any more than driving
10:54 jurov ...
10:54 asciilifeform and how do coinz enter into this, in so far as i'm concerned those are a nonrenewable resource that i carefully hoard, i don't get paid in'em
10:54 jurov so you don;t want to get rid of them anymore?
10:54 jurov or i misunderstood?
10:54 asciilifeform nah they could come in handy for something.
10:55 jurov seems you have hoard/spend bit, too
10:55 asciilifeform occasionally
10:55 asciilifeform at any rate, i can't do anything useful while in a moving vehicle, tried many times over whole life
11:00 gernika the telecommute *can* give one more time, as asciilifeform says - 60 hours a month. Health too - commutes are not good for you.
11:02 jurov but then, why even have a job at all and not freelance?
11:03 gernika http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450022 << what makes a job *less* shitty?
11:03 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 06:04 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.
11:04 gernika jurov - absolutely. employment is a scam.
11:05 asciilifeform 11:02 <+jurov> but then, why even have a job at all and not freelance? << because there is ~0 demand for what i do among folks who employ freelancers ?
11:05 asciilifeform (or, alternatively, i'm not 1333333337 enough by a long shot to know where to find it)
11:08 jurov asciilifeform: i was some time on freelancer.com picking nuggets that indians won't do (like adding mysql plugin in C, or fixing old perl ERP) and I wasn't earning much for few months, and then one of the people approached me with much bigger and $better$ project.
11:09 asciilifeform jurov: what makes you think i can afford to 'not earn much for few months' ?
11:09 jurov you aren't atm earning anything anyway, are you?
11:09 asciilifeform jurov: why do you think this ?
11:09 jurov you are unemployed?
11:09 asciilifeform nope.
11:10 asciilifeform how did you get this idea ?
11:10 asciilifeform i am posting straight from $rupturefarms as before.
11:10 asciilifeform in the heart of mordor.
11:10 jurov i see, you're employed *and* searching
11:10 asciilifeform the pentagon is a few km away.
11:11 asciilifeform jurov: not mega-seekrit, iirc i explained it
11:12 gernika Step 1: start as 1000 low paid jurovs.
11:12 asciilifeform 10,000,001 !
11:15 jurov looks like my reading comprehension went to shit :(
11:15 mircea_popescu fixing old perl ERP << o brother.
11:16 mircea_popescu in other news, the article i'm writing now is titled "the fagspital"
11:16 asciilifeform l0l!
11:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450056 >>> <<< http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-07#821685
11:30 a111 Logged on 2014-09-07 17:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sex anal cu tractoare, motocositoare si combine agricole >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mVOd8zY3D8 << 'in Flyshitte, in the Red Corpse Kolhoz... there lived Tractoresse!'
11:30 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 06:50 phf: although there are two particular towns that are considered something of that, Uryupinsk and Muhosransk. first one is a real town, but second one translates as "town of fly-shit"
11:30 mircea_popescu lol.
11:30 mircea_popescu da fuck you reading!
11:31 asciilifeform well he mentioned мухосранск
11:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450009 << literally 5min ago i got yet ANOTHER call from one of these imbeciles
11:37 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 05:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449953 << word. nfi when bois figured "the way to carrie" is to "be a recruiter" instead of w/e the fuck those schmucks in friends/cheers/whatevers are. "designers" or "writers" or whatnot.
11:37 asciilifeform srsly 3-5/day now
11:37 mircea_popescu if only you were into slavebois.
11:38 asciilifeform there is this strange presumption, apparently shared even by jurov, that somebody looking for work is necessarily unemployed or underemployed and 'will do anything'
11:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i am into not-interacting-with-imbeciles, of either sex, in any capacity whatsoever, if it can be at all helped.
11:41 mircea_popescu why ?
11:41 asciilifeform i literally don't need them for anything
11:41 asciilifeform just as i don't need mosquitoes
11:41 asciilifeform or tsetse fly
11:41 mircea_popescu you know the story of the beanstalk that decided it will not interact with any evolutionary inferior aggregations of matter, but only the superior ?
11:41 mircea_popescu it... died.
11:42 asciilifeform hey i did not say i dun want them in my fuel filter
11:42 asciilifeform i said ~interact~.
11:42 asciilifeform they are welcome in my petrol tank
11:42 asciilifeform after fermenting.
11:43 asciilifeform but the fermentation ought to take place in specially-designated barrels, not in my kitchen sink plox.
11:45 mircea_popescu you don't understand how teh world worx.
11:46 asciilifeform evidently.
11:47 asciilifeform i grasp how mircea_popescu might enjoy hunting idiots for sport from safe height of dirigible, and he has plenty of leisure for this, like medieval lord - but the time budget ~i~ have for idiots, is 0.
11:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450000 << l0lz! ~this~ is where ben_vulpes offered me to work for table scraps at !
11:49 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 04:48 ben_vulpes: at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
11:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450020 << i can't help but wonder if mircea_popescu actually thinks the inside of his harem is relevant to other people. i find it interesting, yes, but it is rather like the inside of a particle accelerator - not particularly related to any situation i am likely to ever encounter imho.
11:52 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 06:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449999 << there's something that does : the people involved aren't sexually intimate. yes, slavegirls enjoy working in "open kitchen", often hands in same pot. nevertheless, if you had tried to mix them with their mothers / insufferable siblings etc, watch the fireworks.
11:53 asciilifeform but if i ever must build particle accelerator, i will very much study mircea_popescu's notes!
11:54 mircea_popescu apparently it IS related.
11:55 ben_vulpes dun recall making an offer
11:55 mircea_popescu the fact of the matter is that irrespective of how foreign, the gyneceum is in point of fact the matrix of a whole lotta things.
11:55 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc you suggested it simply as a barb
11:56 asciilifeform 'how'd ya like to bike-commute to my injun farm'
11:56 mircea_popescu most disputes as to physical reality resolve through some form of argumentum ad acceleratorum ; it stands then to reason most disputes as to social interaction will resolve through some form of argumentum ad slut hotel.
11:56 mircea_popescu he did not. i asked him if he'd take you, as a personal favour. because you were going all nutso.
11:57 * asciilifeform promises that if he ever begs for spare change, he will do it under a d.c. bridge and not ever here.
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: except the thing i 'all nutso' ~about~ was the very notion.
11:58 mircea_popescu you familiar with the concept that the more intelligent the subject, the larger share of his problems are of his own creation ?
11:59 asciilifeform sure. brick has 0 problemz.
11:59 mircea_popescu mo mortar, mo problemz.
12:04 asciilifeform in not entirely unrelatez nyooz, i had a dream that they passed out korans at the office, and bearded blokes walked around to inquire, regularly, how much each schmuck has read and understood.
12:04 asciilifeform the korans were of a very spiffy edition that does not exist on our planet, every 'key phrase' was annotated in 6 languages, but only one of them was arabic, the 5 others i did not recognize as earthling scripts at all.
12:05 asciilifeform the interesting aspect is that this was a glorious and joyous thing, because...
12:05 mircea_popescu chocolate rations
12:05 asciilifeform it beat the shit out of the actual job i was doing previously !1111
12:06 asciilifeform snow shovelling rations.
12:06 asciilifeform (see old thread)
12:10 mircea_popescu $up rithm
12:10 deedbot rithm voiced for 30 minutes.
12:10 rithm hello
12:10 mircea_popescu hola
12:11 rithm 30 minutes of voice, so little time so much to say and do
12:12 mircea_popescu go ahead.
12:12 rithm meh
12:14 * asciilifeform got YET ANOTHER 'we would l0000ve to have you!1111' from usg
12:14 asciilifeform does nobody read the logz.
12:14 asciilifeform and what is the 'omniscient' spybot of google for, if not to avoid the schutzstaffel thusly wasting its time ?
12:18 mircea_popescu lol.
12:18 mircea_popescu i don't think you understand how teh world worx!
12:18 asciilifeform possibly !
12:18 deedbot- [Trilema] The Fagspital - http://trilema.com/2016/the-fagspital/
12:22 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/eUrrFRh.png <<< lol this ETH chart
12:22 mircea_popescu and in today's further installment of weird, http://www.seductivejewess3.com/type-id31-genya-sarah-golub/ (scroll down)
12:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450187 << l0lwaterfall
12:24 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 16:22 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/eUrrFRh.png <<< lol this ETH chart
12:25 asciilifeform has anything outlived mircea_popescu's fatwa by longer than the eth thing ?
12:26 mircea_popescu sure, many things.
12:26 mircea_popescu gravity works the way it works ; entropy idem. it doesn't say you can't put things in orbit. it just says it won't be worth it.
12:26 shinohai Peter Wuille, for example.
12:27 asciilifeform who was it, who wrote 'market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent'
12:27 mircea_popescu there's no market at work here.
12:28 asciilifeform no, but there is a tremendous herd of captive cattle.
12:28 mircea_popescu incidentally, "the herd" is apparently a trope in the genre of "post-apocalypse/zombie invasion" copywriting.
12:28 rithm ethereum is still a thing?
12:28 mircea_popescu ie, all the "infected" humans get together into this huge swarwming mass to be avoided.
12:29 mircea_popescu makes no sense, of course, but then again genre fiction is genre fiction.
12:42 phf seductivejewess3.com << gold
12:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what exactly is a 'balabusta' ?
12:47 phf "I note from the IPS address template that certain parties – quite possibly of the Jewish persuasion – attempt from time to time to break into the site and destroy it."
12:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one time, long ago, i pwned a sp4mz0r's box and it turned out that one of his pw's was 'balabusta'. i had the word in the back of my head ever since
12:47 asciilifeform but still not entirely sure what it means.
12:51 asciilifeform in other noose,
12:51 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2016/04/gchq-wizards-helped-prevent-harry-potter-book-from-leaking-online
12:51 asciilifeform 'In a radio interview last week, Nigel Newton of Bloomsbury Publishing spoke about how the publisher had employed strong security measures to prevent possible leaks, including guard dogs and a constant security presence at the printing press. Seemingly, the company also had the support of GCHQ, the UK's primary signals intelligence and surveillance agency.'
12:52 jurov does the fagspital exist anywhere? here they want only blood, drawn hastily on some unholy morning hour
12:52 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/04/chariot-for-women-an-uber-like-service-for-females-set-to-launch-this-month << from same rag, lulzy
12:53 phf the story immediately goes into idiot mode, where they say GCHQ called up publisher over leaks, but "nobody knows what they would've done if that was a real leak". triangulated the internet of course
12:54 phf every other uber driver tries to pitch me on "uber for X" when they learn im in it.
12:57 asciilifeform phf: the 'idiot mode' thing is a clanging cymbal to distract reader from the brick-in-your-face-obvious fact that nsa et al openly brag about their actual ('societal control') work and are shedding the pretense of 'defense against foreign devils'
12:58 asciilifeform the lack of any ~actual~ foreign devils worth the mention is no longer mega-seekrit
13:03 phf why look for hidden messages, when there are open messages available
13:04 asciilifeform that's the funny thing, it isn't hidden at all.
13:05 asciilifeform i have seen these folks in the flesh
13:05 asciilifeform and heard them prattle on
13:05 asciilifeform they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
13:06 asciilifeform it means, approximately, the maintenance of status quo
13:06 asciilifeform and, in particular, the prevention of mircea_popescus
13:06 asciilifeform and in general, the prevention of honest commerce as a possible thing to exist.
13:09 asciilifeform presently, the main preoccupation of the vermin is dissent and betrayal within own ranks.
13:09 phf i don't know ~who~ you're explaining this to, but you're missing my point. nsa/gchq ideology is out in the open, so there's no need to read it into any random event. if a policeman beats up a nigger one day and saves a kitten from a tree another, there's really no reason to read "reinforcement of hegemony" into the second action, since there's the first one
13:09 asciilifeform but what when he saves the nigger from the tree, and beats the kitten.
13:10 asciilifeform and my point was that, at least formerly, the genuine ideology was ~not~ in the open.
13:10 asciilifeform they had an elaborate pretense of 'terrorism!111' going
13:10 asciilifeform which is beginning to dissolve
13:11 phf it was always out in the open, they just gain new powers. each cycle brings a new pretense with a new set of powers
13:11 asciilifeform prior to ~that~, they had half a century of pretense of 'defense against su'
13:12 asciilifeform (which really meant, wrecking su, so alternatives to the reich could not come to exist)
13:12 phf well, in that article their pretense is defense against the hackers, a "recognized international cyberthreat"
13:13 asciilifeform aha.
13:13 asciilifeform but until very recently, the fiction was maintained that 'hackerz are a law enforcement matter'
13:13 phf i'm just failing to grok how that article warrants an "A-ha!" moment, when there's basically an endless stream of ineffectual aha-s for 90 some years (as far back as i read about this stuff)
13:14 asciilifeform the 'aha moment' line is quite arbitrary.
13:18 phf latest boind explained it for the rest of us, mi5 with their license to kill is out, gchq with their license to survey is in :p
13:18 phf *bond
13:18 phf for the good of the country and our fellow law abiding countrymen
13:19 asciilifeform i'm not certain that anybody cancelled the 'license to kill'
13:19 asciilifeform ask, e.g., michael hastings.
13:20 asciilifeform or the nailgunned folks.
13:20 asciilifeform or the 10,000,001 journawhorez who helped the above 'unexist'
13:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had a more or less convincing argument that the cleanups are ~expensive~ and so the kill is used ~sparingly~
13:21 asciilifeform but nobody cancelled it.
13:22 asciilifeform and yes, planting a hdd full of cp is cheaper than a sniper hit, and setting somebody up to quietly starve is cheaper still, etc.
13:23 asciilifeform but rarely is ~any~ of it necessary, because the number of folks who ~merit~ any of this treatment hovers around ~0.
13:23 asciilifeform i, for instance, have yet to even merit a traffic ticket
13:23 asciilifeform much less car bomb.
13:24 asciilifeform and if even mircea_popescu does not get car bomb, what hope do i have.
~ 51 minutes ~
14:16 phf perfect job for alf https://lispjobs.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/front-end-developer-clojurescript-vital-labs-san-francisco/
14:17 phf "We are looking for a ~generalist~ developer with a ~front-end focus~ and strong ~interest~ in working with the Clojure ecosystem who can lead or contribute to all aspects of a modern technology stack."
14:25 asciilifeform l0l phf
14:25 asciilifeform why not cobol !
14:27 phf this job posting is ridiculously bad, and i wouldn't know about it if these "vital labs" people didn't have such poor taste to post it to lispjobs
14:30 phf but then someone approved it, which kind of makes me recognize the point you make about maggots
14:37 asciilifeform aha.
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15:26 asciilifeform Apr 11 15:24:59 *gribble has quit (Disconnected by services) << l0lwut
15:28 mircea_popescu i dunno, deedbot got a lot of that too
15:31 phf a111 is just sitting there
15:33 mircea_popescu trinque what was the key extracto command ?
15:33 trinque it's $key nick
15:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if ((rand() % 666) == 1) disconnect_terrorist();
15:33 mircea_popescu a ty
15:33 mircea_popescu $key nobcob
15:34 mircea_popescu $key NobCob
15:34 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e6f9a783-f096-4f7d-a5c6-c69af669d376/
15:34 mircea_popescu ty deedbot
15:40 phf gpgme in homebrew goes out of its way to build with gpg2 with that same mantra that tech wreckers use everywhere, it's deprecated. don't question it, morty, it's deprecated. the community deprecated it. yep.
15:41 asciilifeform k0my00000000n1ty!1111
15:41 mircea_popescu heh
15:42 asciilifeform also gpgme sucked donkey ballz in every conceivable other way.
15:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a balabusta is a "proper jewish housewife" ; but in romanian just means old fat gypsy woman.
15:42 asciilifeform ah!
15:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this actually explains a great deal, ty.
15:42 mircea_popescu and nice ploy pretending you don't know, jdif!
15:42 mircea_popescu I AM ON TO YOU
15:42 asciilifeform i ~suspected~ l0l
15:43 mircea_popescu #trilema, buncha guys named benjamin and some dude from odessa wink wink nudge nudge
15:43 mircea_popescu o i r wondert, wut is balabusta!
15:44 asciilifeform in related nyooz, i go out of my zoo and think 'i will march in random direction', and lo and behold, a few km away, ru shop, sells sprats! etc
15:45 mircea_popescu lol
15:46 asciilifeform i kinda wonder now, what % of folks around here are su exiles
15:46 mircea_popescu jurov> does the fagspital exist anywhere? <<< on buyan!
15:47 phf there's 3 stores that sell sprats, beluga caviar, kefir, etc. within max 20 minutes of walking from where i am
15:47 asciilifeform incidentally they had a very mircea_popescutronic-looking chick at the counter.
15:47 asciilifeform but WITH FACE
15:47 mircea_popescu openly brag about their actual ('societal control') work <<< that nsa and all are desperate for funds because the toilets are overflowing and the cheap wallpaint flaking in their shitty "coffee" is neither surprising nor actually too convincing towards the proposed theory.
15:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: theory concerns how the perpetrators see ~themselves~, rather than what ends up actually happening
15:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> and, in particular, the prevention of mircea_popescus << heh. don't flatter self, mps aren't prevented by some sort of captain planet "by our powers combined".
15:49 asciilifeform and 'desperate for funds' is not quite it - they have vastly more funds than staff (for n00bs to subj, usg spending is - in a perverse and difficult to understand formula - tied to organizational staffing..)
15:49 mircea_popescu yeah, and then you go into a tizzy when i consider how fat women on etsy "see themselves".
15:49 mircea_popescu you know this is vaguely homo! wtf do you care what some fat derps see themselves as.
15:49 mircea_popescu at least womenz have tits, somewhere.
15:50 asciilifeform l0l i suppose all warfare is 'vaguely homo'
15:50 asciilifeform at least when it is not against the amazons.
15:50 mircea_popescu i suppose!
15:51 mircea_popescu phf> for the good of the country and our fellow law abiding countrymen << and unrelatedly and no doubt very insignificantly, ALSO for lack of any dudes that can be arsed to kill.
15:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> but nobody cancelled it. << orly.
15:52 asciilifeform hastings cremated self ?
15:52 asciilifeform the brit crypto schmuck sewed himself into bag? etc
15:53 mircea_popescu they prolly got an ex to do it
15:53 mircea_popescu only people who can summon the energy anymore.
15:53 asciilifeform they get 'ex' to do ~anything at all~ !
15:53 asciilifeform realize, proper 'civil servants' do ~0 in usgdom.
15:54 asciilifeform virtually all of the spending is on 'contractor'
15:55 mircea_popescu heh.
15:55 asciilifeform 'contractor' routinely gets 2-3x for ~same work~, even something as humble as software
15:55 mircea_popescu this is so soviet, incidentally. utterly.
15:55 mircea_popescu recall the joke with the young girl in school ?
15:55 asciilifeform aha!
15:55 asciilifeform with the ice cream.
15:56 mircea_popescu "in the us the nsa has powers and bla bla bla. why are you crying, little boy" "I WANT TO GO TO THE USA!!11"
15:56 asciilifeform i also recall the one with the buggery.
15:56 mircea_popescu "where i live we have no moneys no gear and do nothing all day long and my apt has cockroaches"
15:57 mircea_popescu phf who's morty.
15:57 asciilifeform prolly the morty in 'rick and morty' ?
15:57 phf cartoon character
15:57 mircea_popescu oh
15:57 asciilifeform incidentally a surprisingly mircea_popescutronic cartoon imho
15:58 mircea_popescu in other fucking lulz : pms on literotica, for ~day and a half. 5 clicks on bitly link, of which two mine checking it works. ARTICLE on trilema discussing the matter and in very passing offering the [unlinked] url for the bitly link. 12 clicks after half a day.
15:59 mircea_popescu then people wonder wtf i say trilema readership ~= 2x all of conde nast
16:04 mircea_popescu o hey look at that, season two. I R ARLY EADOPTOR for once! ty #trilema!
16:05 mircea_popescu and in other "you no come to disturb" news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/bffddb815a4fb5798504ebd69be1cd87/tumblr_nyim1w1FhS1tlxqgjo1_500.gif
~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~
17:25 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu i take it no one again wrote in re the block cipher thing ?
17:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:27 asciilifeform i find it interesting that the enemy did not see it fit to try to sell us a clever dud
17:40 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AvC4-qcGIU
17:40 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:40 asciilifeform in entirely unrelated findz,
17:40 asciilifeform http://marte.unican.es/index.htm
17:40 asciilifeform ^ ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^ possibly interesting example of various things
17:41 ben_vulpes huh neet
17:42 * asciilifeform has not tested! or - for the most part - even read! for study only.
17:45 asciilifeform the thing claims to support sound blaster 16, even.
17:45 asciilifeform but many of the drivers appear to be in c
17:46 asciilifeform and a number of other key components of the kernel, such as memory allocator, are also in c
17:46 asciilifeform so this is a strange bulldog-rhinoceros chimera.
~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~
19:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope. it's public anyway, i wouldn't really do anything but point to the thread in private.
19:03 mircea_popescu in other win, http://trilema.com/2013/annas-adventure/#comment-116994
19:05 ben_vulpes SEX
19:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i only asked because a few of the discussed items in the past were from your mailpile iirc.
19:05 mircea_popescu yeh.
~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~
20:12 deedbot- [Trilema] Mochila o muerte! - http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
21:17 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://marte.unican.es/index.htm << hey this is neat
21:20 BingoBoingo ;;later tell shinohai Bed eating isn't a real addiction.
21:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ick
21:23 asciilifeform what next - bed shitting?
21:24 shinohai That's a new level of fat degeneracy for me.
21:25 BingoBoingo Bed shitting is so common in hospital they even have shit pan for bed.
21:26 shinohai Let's hope she doesn't eat that too.
21:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in hospital, 'not from a good life', vs sheer putrid sloth, wtf
21:28 BingoBoingo Hey, Obeast took powered wheelchairs from hospitals and made it a trend. Why not shitpan for bed?
21:30 asciilifeform ever play 'monkey island ii' ?
21:30 asciilifeform recall the character with the bed that had shit pipe?
21:37 felipelalli what year is it????
21:37 asciilifeform felipelalli: 0.
21:38 felipelalli o.o I just sleep some days and when I wake up... wow
21:41 felipelalli there are a URL that keep the log of this channel? (please don't say "read the logs to know it") - and how can I search something in the log with deedbot? Is that possible?
21:42 mike_c http://btcbase.org/log/
21:42 felipelalli thank you mike_c
21:42 mod6 we're in our seventh year.
21:42 mod6 and this is year zero of the second congress of the republic
21:43 mod6 pop-rocks are awesome btw
21:43 felipelalli lol :)
21:44 mod6 haha strawberry!
21:44 asciilifeform mod6: what's a pop-rock ?
21:44 mod6 oh man.
21:44 mod6 looks like colored meth: http://www.pop-rocks.com/
21:44 mod6 candy. check it out sometime.
21:45 phf felipelalli: search is still not quite there yet, because i had a bandwidth limits, right now does straight up case-sensitive grep
21:47 felipelalli !gettrust phf
21:47 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
21:47 felipelalli can I make a "gettrust" using deedbot?
21:47 phf felipelalli: it's $gettrust
21:48 felipelalli $gettrust phf
21:48 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 6 by 5 connections.
21:48 felipelalli nice! thank you phf .
21:48 mod6 pretty neat little chart there phf
21:49 phf activity by hour?
21:49 mod6 ya
21:49 phf yeah, it ended up being pretty handy
21:50 phf i have a bunch of work i want to put in into logs, just waiting for schedule to clear up
21:51 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ever play 'monkey island ii' ? << nah
21:51 shinohai ;;ticker
21:51 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 423.7, Best ask: 423.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 423.7, 24 hour volume: 7436.52051714, 24 hour low: 418.8, 24 hour high: 425.0, 24 hour vwap: None
21:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mega-recommended
21:52 asciilifeform adventure from golden age
21:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: My time is more stained than usually. Been renting my attention out by the hour on a part time basis for fiat bucks lately.
21:53 mircea_popescu mod6> and this is year zero of the second congress of the republic << word.
21:54 mircea_popescu tho perhaps bitcoin-otc might count as first congress.
21:54 BingoBoingo Year zero of the null-th congress
21:55 asciilifeform the real puzzler will be whether the gossiptronic beast, where different folks actually see different universes, counts as 'a congress'...
21:56 mircea_popescu that'd be the digress
21:56 BingoBoingo It would be the dongress
21:56 asciilifeform l0l!
~ 25 minutes ~
22:21 felipelalli $rate phf 3 "Lisper. He's also very polite and respectful. :D"
22:21 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e7a0ff21-af62-4711-b58d-e0ee9fa80b04/
22:21 felipelalli $v 3D8592FF589A96CE823B62B60EB209AC499F76299F1D668B26BE66C3068AD207
22:21 deedbot felipelalli rated phf 3 << "Lisper. He's also very polite and respectful. :D"
22:22 phf aw
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23:21 mats cute
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