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00:25 phf installing gentoo is a special form of sadomasochism.
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00:53 mircea_popescu best masochism of all david niven's masochisms, the one in which he keeps his eggs.
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02:25 phf ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed
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02:27 phf i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now
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02:36 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/FAY63Ar.jpg?1
02:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TY2hcT )
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03:51 BingoBoingo !up koinplug
03:51 koinplug hi everyone
03:52 koinplug I have been looking at mpex and I think I'm misunderstanding something
03:52 koinplug in the feb statement it says there's 60 btc revenue from new accounts
03:52 koinplug http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-february-2016-statement/
03:52 assbot MPEx (S.MPOE) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI1ETH )
03:53 koinplug but http://mpex.co/faq.html says there's only one exchange address, 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx
03:53 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI1Fad )
03:53 koinplug and that address has not received any payments in Feb
03:54 koinplug also the new accounts fee is 50 BTC, minus possibly 2x5 BTC for the affiliate fee, so multiples of 40 or 50 BTC. how can that add up to 60 BTC?
03:55 koinplug mircea_popescu?
04:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00041934 = 13.5866 BTC [-] {2}
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05:36 BingoBoingo https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2015/jul/21/nothing-indicate-nothing-indicate-subject-had-any-/
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05:36 assbot "Nothing to indicate the subject had any interest in any matter other than Mathematics” Paul Erdős FBI file ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsH9ev )
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06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00041922 = 1.5092 BTC [-]
06:09 punkman koinplug: here is the relevant thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058365
06:09 assbot Logged on 19-03-2015 22:00:35; kakobrekla: was this addressed yet? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057811
06:12 punkman !up koinplug
06:22 koinplug thanks punkman that makes sense
06:22 koinplug but multiples of 40 or 50 btc can't add up to 60 btc?
06:23 koinplug unless it is being amortized for some reason?
06:28 punkman yeah not sure about that, maybe someone got a discount?
06:35 punkman heh http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-trumpets-860-million-ai-fund-after-alphago-shock-1.19595
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06:35 assbot South Korea trumpets $860-million AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock' : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7iEkQ )
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09:49 deedbot- [Daniel P. Barron] Tightly controlling the present. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/tightly-controlling-the-present/
09:53 mircea_popescu ;;later tell koinplug a) mpex also uses undisclosed addresses in special cases ; b) we have some old fixed-price contracts with some users who renew their key periodically.
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09:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:54 mircea_popescu phf> ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed << it does, yes, and it IS a very good and useful thing. almost makes me feel bad when mocking linuxen.
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09:58 mircea_popescu and check it out, danielpbarron found peace in reading trilema!
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10:17 shinohai dafuq is a gentoo chicken
10:30 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436573 << congrats phf! this makes 2 known hard-sane gentootrons on planet3 now. others here encouraged to replicate. double-encouraged to replicate ~with musl~.
10:30 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 06:25:18; phf: ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed
10:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436574 << most folks boot off a small (<=128m) ext3 for this reason
10:32 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 06:27:49; phf: i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now
10:33 asciilifeform and uclibc sucks
10:33 asciilifeform pretty much only fit for 'busybox' afaik
10:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436589 << l0l check out the megatonne of censored bit
10:35 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 09:36:19; BingoBoingo: https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2015/jul/21/nothing-indicate-nothing-indicate-subject-had-any-/
10:37 asciilifeform ( most of the small chunks appear to conceal names of stoolies )
10:45 danielpbarron is mine one of the two? The box I'm using to test trb had already been a sane gentootron
10:45 asciilifeform danielpbarron: you used my config?
10:47 danielpbarron it'd using it now, you hadn't made that formal list at the time i did it
10:48 asciilifeform danielpbarron made same thing earlier? ( no dbus, etc. ) ? neato.
10:49 asciilifeform the point of my config was to stop the crud from getting pulled in by portage at every turn, which it otherwise does.
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 42954 @ 0.00009 = 3.8659 BTC [-]
10:54 * trinque has a similarly neutered personal recipe
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10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 57279 @ 0.000085 = 4.8687 BTC [-]
11:02 phf asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process)
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11:04 phf also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment
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11:13 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436624 << not tried yet. but expect this to fail.
11:13 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 15:02:08; phf: asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process)
11:14 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436625 << afaik there is no provision for this, because retardation
11:14 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 15:04:05; phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment
11:14 asciilifeform it desperately needs a cure
11:15 asciilifeform imho key rebinds should be processed ~when machine boots~
11:15 asciilifeform prior to whatever else
11:16 asciilifeform i end up rebinding keys in hardware when possible
11:16 asciilifeform because os is militantly retarded
11:16 phf right, linux root=/dev/foo kbrebind=10:20,40:50,etc.
11:16 asciilifeform ideally in lilo
11:17 asciilifeform i don't EVER want capslock to not be ctrl.
11:17 asciilifeform not in boot menu either.
11:18 asciilifeform hell i'd put it in bios if x86 had any provision for this
11:18 asciilifeform so it ends up going in the keyboard.
11:19 phf resolder hw
11:19 asciilifeform can't simply resolder
11:19 asciilifeform kbd had grid system
11:20 asciilifeform need own controller, or a cooperating one (e.g., northgate's)
11:21 asciilifeform but yes, kernel needs to have key rebind, to make laptop behave sanely
11:22 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436622 << consider posting?
11:22 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 14:54:42; *: trinque has a similarly neutered personal recipe
11:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436602 << undisclosed addresses? unprincipled-exception from 'no such thing as taint' ?!!
11:24 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 13:53:13; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell koinplug a) mpex also uses undisclosed addresses in special cases ; b) we have some old fixed-price contracts with some users who renew their key periodically.
11:24 phf seems like the kind of thing that would be worthwhile to diff against chicken
11:24 phf also i learned that gnutls depends on guile :o
11:24 asciilifeform phf: aha!
11:25 phf i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin
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11:25 asciilifeform i started actually making a systematic list of exclusions, then barfed, really we want to enumerate ~good~ parts, they are few
11:25 asciilifeform phf: guile is an old scheme
11:25 asciilifeform used as a tinyscheme of sorts
11:26 asciilifeform iirc gimp once used it, but now has the latter
11:27 phf guile is the old warhorse of the "scheme in emacs!!" agenda, pretty sure even naggum ranted about it
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11:27 asciilifeform aha
11:28 asciilifeform it is a turd incidentally
11:28 asciilifeform very heavy relativly to ts
11:28 phf right, even hardcore schemers (of the mit/scheme48 background) think it's pos
11:29 asciilifeform i have nfi what the upside of guile was supposed to be
11:29 asciilifeform iirc it ended up in various places because it had fsf copyright
11:30 asciilifeform and so politically favoured
11:31 phf there's a very vocal minority trying to get it into emacs as a replacement for elisp, you'll have an elisp emulation layer, but you can also have javascript emulation layer!!1
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11:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436653 << you gotta ~mask~ and flag. what this does is to guarantee that the thing won't be pulled, but at the same time allow other things that might be severable from the dependency to still build.
11:32 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 15:25:22; phf: i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin
11:32 phf aah, hence crapolade
11:32 asciilifeform aha
11:33 asciilifeform and anything that fails to build after that, is not respecting the flag, and has to be either discarded or patched.
11:34 asciilifeform e.g., 'wireshark'
11:34 asciilifeform (for which NO substitute exists)
11:38 phf i assume it can be built with qt3, but it still hard depends on dbus? or you mean that it just requires patching
11:39 asciilifeform iirc dbus
11:39 asciilifeform needs a pill
11:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436599 << 'us too! if usg can hand out $B to aggressive mediocrities, so can we!111'
11:41 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 10:35:54; punkman: heh http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-trumpets-860-million-ai-fund-after-alphago-shock-1.19595
11:42 mircea_popescu hey, aggressive mediocrities ALWAYS fuck over neurotic geniuses / lazy talent.
11:42 mircea_popescu very safe bet.
11:43 asciilifeform no shit
11:43 asciilifeform and bacterium eats coward and hero just the same at the end of the war.
11:47 mircea_popescu unrelated matter.
11:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436666 << elisp , and emacs as a whole , suck donkey balls. it is in many ways a microscopic model of how linux sucks, a turd for which NO replacement is available, so it is kept on life support at all costs .
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11:48 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 15:31:18; phf: there's a very vocal minority trying to get it into emacs as a replacement for elisp, you'll have an elisp emulation layer, but you can also have javascript emulation layer!!1
11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> hell i'd put it in bios if x86 had any provision for this <<< odd that the bios has provision for any and all retarded shits, including "power saving" but not for defining the buttons.
11:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> iirc gimp once used it, but now has the latter << yea.
11:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i use coreboot, and would put in what i want, but the ~hardware~ makes no provision
11:50 mircea_popescu right.
11:50 asciilifeform southbridge.
11:51 mircea_popescu good thing they implemented orc glyphs tho.
11:51 mircea_popescu THAT was a priority.
11:51 asciilifeform soo it goes in the kbd. luckily ps/2 is very simple to talk in, you can use , e.g., a 16f84
11:52 asciilifeform fiddycents of iron.
11:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform << undisclosed addresses? unprincipled-exception from 'no such thing as taint' ?!! << very principled. "no such thing as taint" means that i do not recognize the concept, or any reasoning that relies on it. it very pointedly does not mean i will behave in such a manner as to protect the taint assumptions of third parties but just the opposite.
11:54 asciilifeform waiwut
11:55 asciilifeform would that not mean ~refusing~ to use secret addrs?
11:55 mircea_popescu if you think that you can in any manner or for any purpose distinguish any bitcoin from any bitcoin we can't be friends.
11:55 mircea_popescu no, it wouldn't.
11:56 mircea_popescu just like not recognizing the institution of marriage doesn't mean you never marry. it means that you randomly and entirely unreliably marry.
11:56 asciilifeform ok now this makes sense.
11:57 asciilifeform could marry six times before breakfast.
12:10 mircea_popescu in other news, i had never discussed theology on a blog before. dat republic!
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12:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00041922 = 7.1687 BTC [-]
12:31 thestringpuller damn. this stuck node thing.....
12:32 danielpbarron !up bl00m
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12:59 asciilifeform thestringpuller: post your debug.log tail ?
13:03 thestringpuller i'll have to grep it for when it stopped
13:03 thestringpuller receiving blocks
13:10 mats https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/356/why-hasnt-there-been-an-encryption-algorithm-that-is-based-on-the-known-np-hard
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13:10 assbot complexity theory - Why hasn't there been an encryption algorithm that is based on the known NP-Hard problems? - Computer Science Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1nZDTcK )
13:12 asciilifeform mats: see old thread;
13:12 mats am posting in reference to thread
13:13 asciilifeform this is actually much harder than it appears, because there must also be a proof that the PARTICULAR INSTANCES of the problem you make use of are ~likewise~ of the worst AVERAGE CASE complexity
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13:38 mircea_popescu moon proof!
13:39 mircea_popescu "i kept no records of the presumptions i made in constructing the subclass, therefore no such presumptions exist!"
13:39 asciilifeform aha, sop in what passes for 'cryptographic komyoooonity'
13:40 mircea_popescu then i get incensed when derps start with the "~~~~~I~~~~~ don't see how..."
13:41 asciilifeform see also the idiocy of 'nothing-up-my-sleeve constants'
13:42 asciilifeform e.g., aes
13:42 mircea_popescu un minimo respecto por el trabajador, i say.
13:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: incidentally, this edges into the definition of 'random', as per the 1,001 threads on subj. specifically, solving a problem ~you already know the solution to~ is O(1) in all cases!111
13:54 asciilifeform complexity is only defined for ~unknowns~
13:54 asciilifeform the 'unknownity' of which is not an attribute of ~them~ but of the ~system~ of them+yourhead
14:00 phf as manifest in every "my first crypto", this is so convoluted i can't grok it, surely nobody else can
14:05 asciilifeform phf: the mega-discovery (at least to me) last month is that this is ~still so~ for 'official' crypto
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14:27 phf i have a hunch that this is not a conspiracy of incompetents, but rather an aspect of the whole knowing the unknown in relation to yourhead. i.e. stupid is not obscurantist for your benefit, but for own
14:32 phf very little thinking is going on, most of so called thinking is integration and regurgitation of past thinking, that trickles from occasional pockets where thinking happened. by the time one integrates that thinking one is disinclined to further think (for one is a ph.d. or whatever at that point). but any question can be grothendieck-ed if you're so inclined, to reveal and remove your systemd's and kdbus's
14:32 asciilifeform aha, this removal is imho ~the~ business.
14:33 asciilifeform see also the 'inventors - cut things' thread.
14:33 asciilifeform for some reason many folks focus on ~synthesis~ as the main act of productive thought
14:33 asciilifeform but this is a half-truth.
14:34 asciilifeform you gotta remove the crud first.
14:34 asciilifeform as in metallurgy.
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15:02 deedbot- [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Brothers Grimsby - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/20/the-brothers-grimsby/
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15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44462 @ 0.00041959 = 18.6558 BTC [+] {2}
15:30 mircea_popescu phf the whole premise of bourgeois society is "me too". apprentice wizard "becoming" "just as good" as wizard. sons becoming just as good as fathers. seedling becoming just as tree as the tree.
15:30 mircea_popescu the unspoken part being, of course, "but better".
15:31 mircea_popescu such as : reading jane austen, just as good as falling in love, except cheaper and safer. no fluids involved.
15:31 mircea_popescu reading dickens, just as good as having a life. reading age of exploration crud, just as good as having travelled.
15:32 mircea_popescu going to unversity, just as good as thinking. fast food, just as good as food.
15:32 mircea_popescu no wonder and no explanation needed that darwin became such a religious lightning rod. theory of... "evolution". there's no evolution involved in darwinism, per se. a wasp today has "evolved" just as much and for just as long as jane austin "evolved".
15:33 mircea_popescu this pious fraud beset poor darwin all his life, and he pretty much perelman'd because of it.
15:34 mircea_popescu so then, in this perspective, balabusta (fat jewish housewife), who is absolutely the apotheosis of bourgeois society, will make clam chowder (just as good as) out of whatever it is she finds in her pantry, such as for instance beans.
15:35 mircea_popescu going to church, just as good as living well ; and then when going to church is too much trouble, going to protestant church "inside oneself" just as good as going to the proper one.
15:36 mircea_popescu (it wasn't good enough anyway - it was, don't you know, ~corrupt~!!!!. see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2016#1435480 for what "corruption" means and how that narrative plays.)
15:36 assbot Logged on 17-03-2016 21:09:58; mircea_popescu: anyway. by and large, the "cleanning out corruption" narrative is what happens to a colonized place, ie, after the top leadership was defeated.
15:39 mircea_popescu so of fucking course modernity would be unthinking, for which reason sterile, and centralizing, for which reason boring. it has to be, its aims require it, its basic tenets imply it.
15:42 mircea_popescu (if you think about it, worst cinematic villain line of all time, most insulting to "the gods" of the viewer ? "you will never be as good as me." o noes!)
15:44 mircea_popescu but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e68eb9884b89059401c939cae4d85bc7/tumblr_nqqiosB39o1twuavro1_1280.jpg
15:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/21C8RVx )
15:45 asciilifeform l0l! what is the old man wearing ?!
15:45 asciilifeform pants made from old bagpipe ?!
15:45 mircea_popescu clown costume ?
15:46 mircea_popescu oh and also : the definitive romania http://36.media.tumblr.com/d3e5c0ad09bffa6f2cc89a0cd749c032/tumblr_n8vifxwcK91sd6qo9o1_1280.jpg
15:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/21C8XfW )
15:46 asciilifeform l0lwut
15:46 asciilifeform definitive how?
15:46 mircea_popescu everything, EVERYTHING screams it. the odd attire of the brunette walking away. the facade of the apartment building. that ugly monkey bar set ; the thin grass, the inconvenient walkway. absolute item.
15:47 asciilifeform i'dve assumed ru
15:47 mircea_popescu the idiots sitting uncomfortably for fear of not being others' suckers...
15:47 asciilifeform and i have grass like this right here in my backyard!11
15:47 mircea_popescu (speaking of which, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/ << about the most insulting to romanian sensibilities thing out there.
15:47 assbot Povestea celor trei imparati smecheri si a celor trei negustori fraieri - fabula in versuri ilustrata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/25dHZjf )
15:47 mircea_popescu this is anathema.
15:47 asciilifeform and walkway right here in front...
15:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform uneven ? bordered by some concrete margin of no apparent utility than to ensure it turns into a river if it rains ?
15:48 asciilifeform aha!
15:48 mircea_popescu the details are important.
15:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now i'd rather fancy to see this thing. pic it sometime.
15:50 asciilifeform actually no border, wtf
15:50 asciilifeform but still river, high groundwater
15:50 mircea_popescu heh.
15:50 mircea_popescu there's a difference between sfortunati and disgratiati.
15:51 asciilifeform waiwut
15:52 mircea_popescu (approx, unfortunate and good for nothing, respectively)
15:52 asciilifeform ah.
16:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you wanna lulz, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-03-20.log.html#t20:01:39
16:03 assbot #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-03-20 ... ( http://bit.ly/21Ca5jH )
16:04 mircea_popescu "eclypse" (some wanna-be c compiler for windows ?) never heard of jamfiles.
16:04 asciilifeform eclipse is not a compiler
16:04 asciilifeform it is text editor
16:04 mircea_popescu uh
16:04 mircea_popescu oh just ide ?
16:04 asciilifeform very bulky thing, written in java
16:04 asciilifeform aha
16:05 mircea_popescu ok... eclupse, some wanna-be ide for windows never heard o' jamfiles.
16:05 asciilifeform me neither
16:05 trinque boooooost
16:05 asciilifeform looks like a heathen gnumake ?
16:05 mircea_popescu make alternative!
16:05 asciilifeform l0l why.
16:06 mircea_popescu you know iirc boost builds via jam
16:06 asciilifeform itself, aha
16:06 asciilifeform but why use it for human work
16:07 asciilifeform (rotor invokes boost's jam thing but trb, recall, builds with ordinary gnumake)
16:07 mircea_popescu so then you DO know what it is!
16:07 asciilifeform apparently!
16:07 asciilifeform i mercifully forgot.
16:07 mircea_popescu soooo then....
16:07 mircea_popescu da fuck is the point of an ide that doesn't support things.
16:07 asciilifeform i wouldn't dream of using it for a project tho
16:07 mircea_popescu might as well use vi then, equally unaware of the world.
16:07 asciilifeform because wtf
16:07 asciilifeform and yeah eclipse is this thing where there are 10,001 plugins, prolly one of them eats it.
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17:59 mircea_popescu it occurs rto me - someone should get google to make googlebot author a collection of jokes.
17:59 mircea_popescu possibly the one place for ai in intelligent discourse.
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18:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: every natural-language whateverthefuck attempt looked like, at best, RACTOR.
18:31 asciilifeform (and PARRY)
18:31 mircea_popescu aha
18:32 asciilifeform shannonizer cum lipstick.
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041995 = 5.9213 BTC [+]
18:38 asciilifeform holy shit, elgamal works for spammerz!??
18:48 asciilifeform https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5867 << there is what, dozen of these, and i dun think they're all nubbins`..
18:48 assbot BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdvTNC )
18:50 thestringpuller asciilifeform: looks like it may be due to -connect vs -addnode
18:50 asciilifeform thestringpuller: -connect lives and dies by the nodes you -connect'ed to
18:51 thestringpuller this, but I think it may have other behavior
18:51 kakobrekla bb comments confirm http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436209
18:51 assbot Logged on 18-03-2016 18:11:44; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated)
18:51 asciilifeform (it also results in a nearly useless node because nothing can ever connect to it)
18:51 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i used it just for syncing!
18:52 thestringpuller it worked just find connecting to ~your~ node for the last month and a half
18:52 thestringpuller once synced it was like "okay i'm done" and just stopped receiving blocks
18:52 asciilifeform thestringpuller: now this is interesting, and i would really like to see the log
18:53 thestringpuller one second
18:55 thestringpuller i really should patch this to rotate logs...
18:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dozens of whats ?
18:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: of whiners
18:55 asciilifeform who, very reasonably, 'i put in coin and nothing came out, wtf'
18:55 mircea_popescu eh, the whole internet consists of people who think they can do things better than anyone ; and then can't do jack shit to save their lives.
18:56 mircea_popescu let them stop whining and get in the wot, administer receiverships, do things.
18:56 mircea_popescu opining from the side is both free and worthless.
18:56 asciilifeform 'i put in a coin in the coke machine and nothing came out.' ' mircea_popescu: let them go to mechanic school, learn to fix machines...'
18:56 hanbot kakobrekla so in the process of protecting the shareholders from a 17 btc bill, you managed to destroy all their holdings and stick the bettors with a 13 btc or w/e it's going to end up. pretty sucky, innit?
18:56 mircea_popescu exactly.
18:57 mircea_popescu what the fuck, someone stands for the consumer, now ? fuck the consumer.
18:57 mircea_popescu abomination of mistaken history, fuck the consumer with a rusty nail plank.
18:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: glbse was pretty good at fucking the consumer, and gox, etc. these were doing god's work ?!
18:57 mircea_popescu separate issues.
18:57 asciilifeform how's that
18:58 mircea_popescu surgeon and worm both excise dead tissue.
18:58 asciilifeform i mean, did they fuck somebody other than 'consumer', or they fucked with wrong kind of stick, or what.
18:58 mircea_popescu surgeon is surgeon ; worm is worm.
18:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'Царь справедливый и тиран. Не одинаковы бывают. Так хлебопашец и кабан. По-разному поля взрыхляют.' << i found in yellowed vintage volume of transl. of persian poetry to ru, as a kid
18:59 mircea_popescu but i ~am~ well impressed by the proposition. i suppose coming up next is, "asciilifeform and poettering both write software".
18:59 asciilifeform the ploughman and the boar!11
19:03 thestringpuller asciilifeform: unfortunately i haven't found a way to truncate this log
19:03 kakobrekla hanbot lolwat, i managed to destroy? do you recall writing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 (especially point 0)
19:03 assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd )
19:05 hanbot yes, i recall
19:06 kakobrekla cool, so you are aware that you cant have responsibility without liability
19:06 hanbot get to the point?
19:07 * nubbins` lols at hanbot
19:07 nubbins` dat cog diss
19:08 nubbins` <+asciilifeform>https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5867 << there is what, dozen of these, and i dun think they're all nubbins`.. << why does everyone labour under the impression that i think about any of this shit while i'm not here?
19:08 nubbins` i give precisely, literally, zero fucks about anything to do with bitbet, mp, etc
19:09 kakobrekla the point is that i agreed to do bitbet back then as long as mp is responsible and liable for bitcoins (as per thread - i refused to handle them)- which he no longer wants to be
19:09 kakobrekla if there is no liability its much easier to fuck up the coins myself
19:09 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i might be too 'young' for this. how did it go that you 'refused to handle them' ?
19:09 hanbot mm, mk.
19:10 asciilifeform nubbins`: when precisely did you give your last fuck ?
19:11 mircea_popescu in other news video cards can apparently die. who knew.
19:11 kakobrekla asciilifeform we discussed various models of bitbet operations, one of mps suggestions was that i hold the btc and flush the deposits over to him occasionally or somesuch which i refused and suggested he gives me a huge list of his address which i will be handing out
19:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nvidia is ~really~ good at death
19:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: typically bga is the culprit. thermal flex waltzes the balls loose.
19:12 asciilifeform and you only need to loosen one.
19:12 nubbins` asciilifeform in general or on said topics?
19:12 mircea_popescu and replacement is fucking up the monitor. apparently, can't have previous mode because it puts it out of bounds
19:12 mircea_popescu holy shit nothing works.
19:12 asciilifeform nubbins`: on subj
19:13 nubbins` never
19:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whaddayamean you don't have 5 identical replacements for every part!111
19:13 mircea_popescu apparently identical is not a thing.
19:13 asciilifeform what kind of dirigible warehouse is that!
19:13 mircea_popescu ikr.
19:13 asciilifeform even asciilifeform has this nailed
19:13 mircea_popescu goody for him ?
19:14 asciilifeform just pointing out, mircea_popescu ought have a stern talk with his supplier.
19:14 mircea_popescu have a stern talk with the notion of computing, rather.
19:15 asciilifeform normally i'm the one who immediately 'notion of computing!11'
19:15 asciilifeform but how does that plug in here ?
19:16 mircea_popescu i'm starting to notice that most insufferable things and people i ever ran across were computers and computer experts.
19:16 mircea_popescu politicians are by comparison pleasant.
19:18 asciilifeform programmer has uniquely unpleasant profession, in the sense that even coal miner enters into a kind of numb routine, but with computer you can be gangbanged into a different orifice that you never knew you had, every day
19:19 mircea_popescu apparently.
19:20 hanbot kakobrekla from the outside, all that's seen is you going gotta protect the shareholders!!1 and a week later the shareholders are fucked...and the customers are boiling. not that i expect you to take responsibility rather than talk about it, but you've fucked up.
19:21 asciilifeform didn't mircea_popescu just explain that the customers are the mold in the cheese and don't really matter ?
19:21 kakobrekla hanbot to quote you: The k factor comes from the specified nature of the business (ie, BTC business). In order to be able to offer BTC business you must at a minimum be able to correctly and safely handle payments.
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19:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87100 @ 0.00041893 = 36.4888 BTC [-] {3}
19:23 mircea_popescu let it be stated that i don't wish asciilifeform to be doing any interpreting of what i've said after i'm dead.
19:23 hanbot asciilifeform he said that they're more than welcome to do something other than whine eh?
19:23 mircea_popescu i'd rather alphago do it.
19:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i intend to be dead first !111
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7759 @ 0.00041886 = 3.2499 BTC [-]
19:33 kakobrekla hanbot please enlighten me how and why should i take responsibility for mps double payment of which i was aware of only after the fact?
19:34 asciilifeform unrelatedly, http://gustaf.thorslund.org/src/allegra/doc/allegra.html
19:34 assbot The Allegra Info-Bot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbRoRh )
19:34 asciilifeform ^ a 'gribble'-like animal in ada.
19:36 hanbot nah, take responsibility for the following thing: "i, kakobrekla, turned the situation where the shareholders owed 17 btc and had credit to repay it in the future, into a situation where the shareholders have nothing, and the bettors owe at least 13 btc, if not more. this is the best i could do, hire me and i'll do the same for you."
19:39 nubbins` there was no situation where the shareholders owed 17 btc
19:39 nubbins` that's a fiction
19:39 nubbins` hallucinated by mp
19:39 nubbins` so, no, he didn't turn a situation from that into anything.
19:39 kakobrekla or maybe mp can go "i, mp, have through a series of mistakes made a double payment and will now pretend it was a chinese conspiracy, say publicly i did it masochistically but actually bill it sadistically to the company as a made up war expense"
19:39 nubbins` you need to take a course in basic logic
19:40 nubbins` kakobrekla i could've told you last week that they'd fever-dream their way through this
19:40 nubbins` must be humiliating
19:40 nubbins` having to blatantly spout nonsense
19:41 nubbins` altho i guess it's mostly a show for folks that don't go back and read the logs
19:46 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/survival/
19:46 assbot Survival* ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbS9Kg )
19:47 mircea_popescu o.O
19:48 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you ~know~ this happened ?
19:49 kakobrekla which?
19:49 kakobrekla i know this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436889
19:49 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 23:21:15; kakobrekla: hanbot to quote you: The k factor comes from the specified nature of the business (ie, BTC business). In order to be able to offer BTC business you must at a minimum be able to correctly and safely handle payments.
19:50 mircea_popescu looky, that nonsense isn't going to snivel into factuality just because butthurt. chinese miner conspiracy is a fact, undisputed and accepted as such.
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19:50 kakobrekla surely
19:50 mircea_popescu now then. that you or anyone else "dunno, wasn't there, whatever", it's one thing.
19:51 mircea_popescu but "i dunno, wasn't there, don't believe" does not actually enact anything. it's just the typical position of the scholar withdrawing from the world.
19:51 kakobrekla (surely was sarcastic btw)
19:52 mircea_popescu tough tits, it's what it is.
19:52 kakobrekla anyway, even if ufos delete your private keys you cant just put it on the company
19:52 kakobrekla or else its much easier for me to ufos delete my private keys for it
19:52 mircea_popescu that has exactly nothing to do with the discussion, so let's let it be.
19:53 kakobrekla o but it has.
19:54 kakobrekla if nothing else it brings about a bad set of incentives.
19:55 mircea_popescu looky : part of your trying to cope with hanbot's deriding your peculiar notion of responsibility was to come hide under my skirts. i said plox don't come hide under my skirts. that's all.
19:57 kakobrekla so you are saying you can have responsibility without liability?
19:57 kakobrekla (yes or no answer will do)
19:58 mircea_popescu i am saying that whatever you're talking to her about, stick to it an' let me be.
19:59 kakobrekla will do my best!
20:06 nubbins` !s looky from:nubbins`
20:06 assbot 6 results for 'looky from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=looky+from%3Anubbins%60
20:06 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-03-2016#1426141
20:06 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 00:21:18; nubbins`: if i had a satoshi for every time mp said "looky" when he'd lost an argument, i'd be able to donate a tx fee to bitbet
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21:42 nubbins` asciilifeform why would you assume in the first place that all these random comments on bitbet are me instead of the various angry parties to whom bitbet owes money?
21:42 * nubbins` searches memory for rational reasons why alf would think this, comes up blank
21:42 asciilifeform nubbins`: and 'taleb' was not you ?
21:43 nubbins` ask mp, he's the one with all the insider knowledge
21:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436918 << now i'll bite, ~where~ uncontroversial ? at mircea_popescu's house ?
21:43 assbot Logged on 20-03-2016 23:50:19; mircea_popescu: looky, that nonsense isn't going to snivel into factuality just because butthurt. chinese miner conspiracy is a fact, undisputed and accepted as such.
21:43 asciilifeform where undisputed ?
21:44 nubbins` lel.
21:44 nubbins` in the fifth dimension.
21:44 nubbins` are we all drunk here?
21:44 nubbins` or what?
21:45 nubbins` maybe he means undisputed here: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE
21:45 assbot S.MPOE last 7759@0.00041886 ... ( http://bit.ly/1USv0yT )
21:47 nubbins` but in complete seriousness, yes, uncontroversial and undisputed at mp's house.
21:49 nubbins` see hanbot's intensely boring, factless, hyperbole-filled rants and jabs for reference
21:50 asciilifeform nubbins`: for a fella who gave his last fuck, you seem pretty excited
21:50 nubbins` but what else do you expect from someone whose only skills are being a loudmouth and losing money
21:50 nubbins` asciilifeform don't mistake verbosity for excitement
21:50 asciilifeform l0l
21:50 nubbins` 10 words a minute is excited now |0|
21:51 nubbins` asciilifeform: did mpoe-pr "give a fuck" about the scammers she skewered on the forums?
21:53 nubbins` or was she just reminding them that bullshit has a specific taste?
22:00 mats nubbins` is rapidly approaching 1.5k lines over two weeks about the same damn topic
22:00 mats pls no more
22:00 nubbins` hey, i walked into a conversation already happening
22:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform everywhere. got published in teh gazette, received exactly no disputation, it's what it is.
22:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: everywhere?!
22:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when i asked 'why is miner collusion a necessary hypothesis to explain the bbet reactor melt' i got argumentum ad dirigible.
22:09 mats you have been stoking the same burning pile of shit for two weeks
22:10 asciilifeform mats: and chernobyl for 30 yrs. what of it.
22:10 mats you didn't walk into anything, the noise in here is your doing
22:10 nubbins` mats in fact i came back here after quite an absence and found the shit still on fire
22:10 nubbins` lol.
22:10 nubbins` the noise is my doing by calling mp a scammer? yes, fair enough.
22:11 nubbins` however, there stands bitbet in the state it's in. you saying that mp threw in the towel because i bullied him into it?
22:11 mats it isn't the allegation, it is the 1000x repetition that i'm looking at
22:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and you see a problem with that ?
22:12 nubbins` mats go back and read yesterday's log
22:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: with argumentum ad dirigible ? yes.
22:12 nubbins` only reason i bothered to chip in was to smother hanbot's hallucinations
22:12 nubbins` you don't like it, put me on ignore
22:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is the 'secret trial with secret evidence' thing again.
22:13 asciilifeform i mean, mircea_popescu can do whatever he likes with his toys, but let's not pretend that the matter was settled as some kind of actual argument in the phorum
22:13 mircea_popescu understand how matters of fact work. judge sits down, lets the witness in. witness tells a story. bystanders ask whatever the fuck questions they want. witness answers if he feels like it, and remembers, and has anything to say. at the end of the day, bystanders can as pompously as they wish declare they're not coinvinced. matters not one iota. either better theory is formed, or the thing stands.
22:13 mircea_popescu there isn't available this "exit by reservation". it's a personal pretense, nothing more.
22:13 nubbins` mp uses the broadest analogies possible, hey?
22:13 asciilifeform i have the better theory. what do i need to do, arrange the sybils personally, nuke other tx ?
22:13 nubbins` asciilifeform logic has no place here
22:14 asciilifeform no 'by reservation', but by specific hypothesis.
22:14 nubbins` mats shouldn't you be telling alf to stfu?
22:14 mircea_popescu would have helped to write it down. as the original article asked, as the rebuff to the original nubbins` said, and so on. two weeks ago, whatever.
22:14 nubbins` ^ you didn't put it in a TPS report, in other words
22:14 nubbins` so he missed the memo
22:16 mats alf is not grandstanding.
22:17 mircea_popescu is that twerp still begging for attention ?
22:17 mats nor making use of the matter as an opportunity to air grievances
22:17 nubbins` mm hmm
22:18 asciilifeform i dun have grievances, l0l. well possibly other than the promised snow did not come, i was gonna play go under the blooming sakuras ~in motherfucking snow~ and no go. but afaik mircea_popescu is not responsible for this.
22:18 nubbins` alf is in a weird spot where he obviously feels that mp is hallucinating but doesn't want to press the issue
22:18 mircea_popescu that'd be global warming's fault neh ?
22:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: global worming.
22:20 asciilifeform nubbins`: what i'd like is for him to share the lsd!
22:20 nubbins` asciilifeform iirc i offered you some a while back but we decided you wouldn't take it
22:20 asciilifeform nubbins`: i want what mircea_popescu took.
22:20 nubbins` no, i don't think you do
22:21 nubbins` you want what mcafee took too?!
22:21 nubbins` vexual?!
22:21 asciilifeform nah just mircea_popescu
22:22 asciilifeform nubbins`: mcafee and vexual are drooling in a ditch, but mircea_popescu throws garbage trucks !
22:22 nubbins` vexual once signed a ~1k btc address for me, hey?
22:23 asciilifeform i did not say he was drooling in a ditch penniless, did i.
22:23 nubbins` i kid, of course.
22:23 nubbins` but i do suspect on a ~10% probability that he's satoshi
22:25 mircea_popescu say wut asciilifeform ?
22:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was nubbins thread
22:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you have him killfiled, you will see oddities
22:27 mircea_popescu so basically, you're going to dump garbage at me because you have a strange passion for nubbins` ? you imagine this is a way to behave or something ?
22:27 mircea_popescu seriously now. in what conception of society do you see this to make sense ?
22:27 nubbins` how dare you speak to an untouchable!
22:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i missed the 'don't talk to folks mircea_popescu killfiled' rule in the handbook ?
22:28 nubbins` asciilifeform you missed the "do as mp says" rule?!?!
22:28 nubbins` but that's the whole point of this place
22:28 mircea_popescu these two things are the same thing iyo ?
22:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unless i missed something, fella's technically still 'lord', and belongs in the forum, neh ?
22:29 asciilifeform or was he formally lowered into pederasty and i missed ?
22:29 mircea_popescu i can't distinguish if you are genuinely missing something, or not. which is why i ask you.
22:29 asciilifeform and yes he's annoying
22:29 nubbins` asciilifeform i think he's saying that you're not allowed to talk about mp with me
22:29 mircea_popescu so then why the fuck are you spamming me nonsense!
22:30 mircea_popescu how exactly did you judge the cost function of not spamming mp nonsense so it came below the value of talking to nubbins` ? i wish to know, explain this to me.
22:30 mircea_popescu "to my eyes, wasting mp's time is worth so much less than entertaining vexual that there's no contest".
22:30 mircea_popescu you gonna sign that ?
22:31 asciilifeform let's try a test: mirceа_popеscu
22:31 mircea_popescu what the fuck am i, in this incredibly infantile, and deeply ustardian conception of the world ? free for the taking or something ?
22:31 mircea_popescu blergh.
22:31 asciilifeform ^ did that set off the bell in mircea_popescu's irctron ?
22:31 mircea_popescu of course ?
22:32 asciilifeform srsly ?
22:32 mircea_popescu so to sum it up : i'd like you to show me the fucking common courtesy of considering whether next time you highlight me, i could in any conceivable manner have any interest in whatever is in there.
22:32 nubbins` lololol.
22:32 mircea_popescu and it is deeply shameful, for you, that i have to tell you this.
22:32 nubbins` the edict is issued: speak not of mircea_popescu to nubbins`
22:32 nubbins` this is so cringey
22:32 asciilifeform speak only of m1rc34_p0p3scu to nubbins`, possible.
22:32 asciilifeform but whatevers.
22:32 * asciilifeform off to eat food
22:34 * nubbins` off to do things that matter
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23:06 asciilifeform !up zdm
23:07 zdm Hello
23:07 asciilifeform who might you be, zdm ?
23:07 zdm Just an internet stranger
23:08 zdm Been reading a lot of loper-os.org posts
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