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00:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00053224 = 27.1176 BTC [+] {2}
00:04 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424673 << the "mp or bb coins" question is trivially answerable by walking the blockchain and bitbet.
00:04 assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 15:11:17; nubbins`: did you guys also like how the 17 btc of mp's own money that he lost is going to be taken from shareholder dividends?
00:04 ben_vulpes "what makes bitbet not fairlay" if i understand the kakobreka-ism
00:06 ben_vulpes perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications.
00:15 ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius!
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00:15 gribble The operation succeeded.
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00:48 mod6 .
00:49 mod6 oops
00:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27075 @ 0.00053449 = 14.4713 BTC [+]
00:51 mircea_popescu haha, people are actually moving to new hampshire ?
00:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances <<< you don't mean my drinking buddies who a) would take ANY explanation just as long as it doesn't mean gotta get off ass and b) would not be willing, broadly spea
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00:53 mircea_popescu king, to spend just about enough to buy half a rifle to defend $item ?
00:54 mircea_popescu at the rate this is going, bitbet actually needs to buy a significant pool, which would go for oh... 10-20k ? i guess ?
00:55 mircea_popescu if the concern trolls in chan are in fact shareholders and to any degree representative for shareholder sentiment (which i deeply doubt, but w/e)... oy vey.
00:56 mircea_popescu one day s.mg is going to do somethingwild like i dunno, acquire a paper clip. watch out then.
00:57 ben_vulpes shareholder sentiment seems most opinionated about s.mpoe
00:59 ben_vulpes how did blowing the coins serve to defend bitbet?
00:59 * ben_vulpes only a curious kourt klown
01:01 ben_vulpes (couldn't possibly own stock, coins, can barely work a paste buffer much less gpg-tron, owns no real computers etc etc)
01:04 ben_vulpes perhaps rifle cost is actually proportionate to value of $item! heck, a month like 7/15 would cover the loa^Hss.
01:05 ben_vulpes or perhaps the bitbet rifle is proportionate to the value of $item were item btc.
01:07 ben_vulpes and to beleabour the point, ka^H^Hbitbet the scouting party sacrificed to establish the new front.
01:08 ben_vulpes but clearly these are all points that only dirigible captains may discuss over hawala shortwave.
01:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00053449 = 6.6277 BTC [+]
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02:31 mircea_popescu can discuss qs, waht's teh big deal.
02:33 mircea_popescu ftr, "the color of money" is so fucking bad, tom cruise prolly wrote the screenplay.
02:33 mircea_popescu twice.
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05:01 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b156
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05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24520 @ 0.00052762 = 12.9372 BTC [-] {2}
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05:42 punkman http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/search1/2603000000.html?cid=AEN20160308001300315
05:42 assbot Yonhap News Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPMk4M )
05:42 punkman (from bbet comments)
05:42 punkman "S. Korean Go player lowers expectations before facing Google AI"
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06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00052762 = 30.6547 BTC [+]
06:34 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.82075928 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b160
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06:54 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426375 <<< I kek'd
06:54 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 05:15:34; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius!
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08:19 mircea_popescu in other random lulz, i wake up to three notifications from various parties spread about the world that transfers sent yesterday have not made it. upon examination, it's three times the case that the fiat world has failed to move money in 30 to 40 hours.
08:19 mircea_popescu such visa much wow this is good for fiat.
08:20 mircea_popescu oh, and bonus lulz : http://dpaste.com/38CJTKK.txt
08:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9DXT8 )
08:20 shinohai ^ FUCKIN LOL
08:21 shinohai mircea_popescu can be an Indonesian plantation Lord
08:21 mircea_popescu if they weren't so short.
08:22 asciilifeform meanwhile...
08:22 asciilifeform makeinfo --force -o guile-procedures.txt guile-procedures.texi || test -f guile-procedures.txt
08:22 asciilifeform /bin/sh: line 1: 3309 Segmentation fault makeinfo --force -o guile-procedures.txt guile-procedures.texi
08:22 asciilifeform Makefile:2567: recipe for target 'guile-procedures.txt' failed
08:22 asciilifeform phhhreeeee as in fleaaadom !1111
08:22 thestringpuller power outage knocked node offline. happy birthday to me :(
08:23 mircea_popescu wait, so guile doesn't actually build ?!
08:23 asciilifeform aha.
08:23 asciilifeform blocks 1,001 other proggies, too
08:23 asciilifeform (e.g., geda)
08:23 mircea_popescu ...
08:23 mircea_popescu clearly you must need an upgrade.
08:23 shinohai I hope you didn't experience the same catastrophe I did thestringpuller
08:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this ~was~ upgrade. now will have to blacklist versions of 1,001 things.
08:23 mircea_popescu thestringpuller were you noding@home ?
08:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, just upgrade everything.
08:24 mircea_popescu twice, to be sure.
08:24 asciilifeform this ~was~ an 'upgrade everything, twice'
08:24 mircea_popescu so do more of it.
08:24 asciilifeform the most rational hatred of gentoo comes from folks who ask 'how do i freeze'
08:24 asciilifeform because - you can't
08:24 mircea_popescu ahahaha
08:24 asciilifeform it is this amorphous amoebic dysentry.
08:24 mircea_popescu so why would i want to run it ?
08:24 asciilifeform you probably wouldn't ?
08:24 mircea_popescu you keep making me think i would!
08:25 asciilifeform well, this might be because there is not actually a usable other linux.
08:25 mircea_popescu "son, don't you want to marry this woman ?" "notrly." "well, you should!" "really ?" "yeah. except she's ugly." "well then ?" "but the other women are even uglier." "dad, you're really doing a bum job here."
08:26 asciilifeform 'the other women are goats with makeup on'
08:26 asciilifeform which - they are.
08:26 asciilifeform there is precisely one woman on the island.
08:26 asciilifeform and she is from BingoBoingo's photos.
08:26 mircea_popescu i'm still not marrying fugly.
08:26 asciilifeform complete with gangrene.
08:27 asciilifeform 'tis that, or fucking holes you auger in the earth yourself.
08:27 asciilifeform which is prolly what comes next, for all of us.
08:27 asciilifeform this, or to plant the coveted cunt-turnip.
08:27 mircea_popescu seems altogether likely.
08:28 * asciilifeform bbl
08:39 PeterL http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-48144
08:39 assbot A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9HdxL )
08:44 jurov when i tested my mempool hack, I just dropped any priority requirements to have mempool filled quickly. I was surprised there were quite a few spammy tx that neither blockexplorer even knew of.
08:45 mircea_popescu what do you mean neither ? there's ~500 various web explorers.
08:45 mircea_popescu you actually traced them to the same two nodes ?
08:46 jurov traced what?
08:46 mircea_popescu lemme rephrase. "there are more web-based blockexplorer than two. why do you say neither."
08:48 jurov i just checked in blockchain, blockr, and some 2-3 others
08:49 mircea_popescu ah kk
08:50 mircea_popescu by and large web based ones have to prune very narrowly because well... memory.
08:50 mircea_popescu i vaguely recall some discussion about running a b-a one, maybe last year.
08:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00052597 = 18.2512 BTC [-]
08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45135 @ 0.00052597 = 23.7397 BTC [-]
08:59 PeterL B-A needs own: block explorer, keyserver, mining pool, server host, OS, chip fab, etc
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09:00 mircea_popescu seems altogether likely the whole keyserver model is getting eaten into g.
09:02 PeterL also: gossipd implementation, pgp implementation, bitcoin implementation, kramer-shoop implementation, lisp implementation, c compiler, etc
09:03 mircea_popescu pgp prolly also merging into g.
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09:04 mircea_popescu c compiler i suppose will have ~0 chances of happening, the horsies are pulling towards lisp.
09:04 mircea_popescu and truly there's no good reason to even justify chip fab if you're not going to do something that radical.
09:04 mircea_popescu and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical.
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09:05 mircea_popescu but yes, the republic is currently short about twenty to fifty billion in filthy fiats and a few thousand to thirty million engineer hours, depending who's counting the hours. not depending on who's hiring the engineers tho, you ~can't hire for this.
09:06 mircea_popescu which, in the grand scheme of things, is perfectly reasonable. argentina spends about that every coupla years and has ~icecream and steak to show for it.
09:17 mircea_popescu to borrow a cristina-ism, "el proyecto nacional!!11"
09:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00052597 = 43.8396 BTC [-]
09:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00052597 = 29.7699 BTC [-] {2}
09:45 deedbot- [Trilema] The color of money - http://trilema.com/2016/the-color-of-money/
09:55 mircea_popescu !up dicecoin
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10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00052597 = 27.2452 BTC [-]
11:04 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426496 << 'p'.
11:04 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 14:03:21; mircea_popescu: pgp prolly also merging into g.
11:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426493 << block explorers as centralized www servers are retarded.
11:05 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 13:59:36; PeterL: B-A needs own: block explorer, keyserver, mining pool, server host, OS, chip fab, etc
11:05 asciilifeform yes, it is nice to link to a block or tx.
11:05 asciilifeform but the link should be to LOCAL wwwtronic thing.
11:05 asciilifeform as in, on YOUR box.
11:06 asciilifeform blockchain means they all agree (or they do not, in which case you know that you have plague and when to put on the beak mask)
11:07 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426499 << mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ?
11:07 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 14:04:37; mircea_popescu: and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical.
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11:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my idea being that whatever you call it, both g and this p will be running a lot of common code in the cyrpto
11:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? << i don't have enough money to outright do this. if i had, i'd be outright doing this.
11:27 mircea_popescu but as it is, i'm at best useful as a seed. tho from years of reading the logs it's apparent to me seed-cultural is actually a lot more sorely needed than seed-capital, but that's aside.
11:27 mircea_popescu and fwiw, i doubt anyone has the money, or had, in the past century. we're talking 50bn turkey dollars here. gates can, at most, make a foundation to greenhouse little hussein bahamas out in africa.
11:28 asciilifeform makes sense.
11:29 asciilifeform it would have to begin with time rented on ordinary fab, or the like.
11:30 asciilifeform and the item would, in all likelihood, have to be an fpga. (that can be sold to heathens)
11:30 asciilifeform i find the TOTAL absence of documented fpga on the planet , to be interesting.
11:31 asciilifeform it is like a gaping black hole in your living room
11:31 asciilifeform it is, what used to be called 'strategic good'
11:32 asciilifeform (usg recently jailed some schmuck for 'exporting secret' of fpga.)
11:32 deedbot- [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Aviator and the flying Apple TV. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/08/the-aviator-and-the-flying-apple-tv/
11:33 mircea_popescu heh.
11:34 mircea_popescu with any luck, trump wins the election, we get 99 year lease on ft meade and martial law ten miles around the perimeter.
11:34 asciilifeform l0l
11:34 mircea_popescu what ? makes a lot more sense than half his platform, not to mention all the others.
11:38 asciilifeform what next, zhirinovsky wins in ru ?!
11:38 asciilifeform t is exactly him
11:38 asciilifeform and was grown for the same purpose.
11:39 mircea_popescu purpose and history don't mix well
11:39 mircea_popescu historically speaking.
11:39 jurov nubbins for president!
11:39 mircea_popescu hitler, also "grown" for "purpose". ask that pappen baffoon
11:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.0005259 = 16.1977 BTC [-] {2}
11:40 asciilifeform man in his 70s is automatically a von papen, and not a hitler
11:40 mircea_popescu this was true before the age of machine-enabled decay. recall the "90 yos get together to establish what 80 yos should retire" thing ?
11:41 asciilifeform i suppose he'd make an ok brezhnev.
11:41 mircea_popescu or yeltsin.
11:41 mircea_popescu time for the us to surrender to the republic.
11:41 mircea_popescu well, it's been time for years now, but the chinese ain't going away.
11:48 mircea_popescu and in other sexploitation news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/4572f58ef5a45c41c06a1edde2fd8c59/tumblr_mex4w12aH01qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
11:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbwuSQ )
11:50 PeterL asciilifeform are there currently any self-run block explorer programs?
11:50 asciilifeform not afaik
11:50 asciilifeform and certainly not trbtronic ones.
11:51 PeterL would it be hard to make?
11:51 asciilifeform unless phf finished his and forgot to say
11:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00052531 = 43.6007 BTC [-] {7}
11:53 asciilifeform PeterL: not so hard, but the reasonable thing to make it in would be shiva
11:53 asciilifeform and it needs some work
11:54 PeterL hi nubbins`
11:54 nubbins` hey
11:55 nubbins` !v assbot:nubbins`.rate.hanbot.-1:99ef4b3d8e17f481dc6e4cb4a2592501214f67972bd8fa6ff300daf8dba9f9fc
11:55 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for hanbot with note: nobody. doesn't belong here.
11:55 asciilifeform hey nubbins`
11:55 nubbins` what's new?
11:55 asciilifeform notmuch.txt
11:55 nubbins` cool.asc
11:56 asciilifeform i forgot, what did nubbins` have against hanbot
11:56 nubbins` nothing until she negrated me out of spite
11:56 nubbins` then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list
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11:56 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.99800000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b166
11:57 nubbins` funny how this is an ideas place and so many are willing to look past the ideas and focus on the delivery
11:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00052507 = 5.4082 BTC [-] {3}
11:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426568 << iirc she runs mpif.
11:59 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 16:56:31; nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list
11:59 PeterL she runs one of the mpif parts
11:59 asciilifeform (and before this, was 'mpoepr'
11:59 asciilifeform )
11:59 asciilifeform so hanbot is more assetronic than, e.g., asciilifeform.
12:00 nubbins` so she used to do forum pr, but now doesn't
12:00 nubbins` and now she runs.... this? http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-february-2016-statement/
12:00 assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbxHJQ )
12:00 PeterL uhh, did asciilifeform forget about s.nsa?
12:00 nubbins` fair enough. there are some here who do less.
12:00 PeterL * raises hand
12:01 nubbins` in fact, F.MPIF has not performed any economic activity since October 2014
12:01 nubbins` 0 in, 0 out every month since
12:01 nubbins` but w/e
12:02 PeterL they are certainly sitting on lots of cash
12:02 nubbins` not belabouring the point, just pointing out that sauce from hanbot holds zero value, and if all she does is run the mouth and not contribute, she's just getting in the way.
12:02 nubbins` basically just a vexual without the youtube links
12:02 asciilifeform PeterL: assetronic is a thing
12:03 PeterL I think you missvalue yourself on this scale
12:03 asciilifeform i mean something very specific
12:03 PeterL could you define it better then?
12:03 asciilifeform i don't have an mpex account; am powerless to move so much as one share of anything; etc.
12:04 asciilifeform have ~0 btc.
12:04 PeterL you have a weird way of measuring things
12:04 asciilifeform and my understanding to this day is that most #b-a folks originally appeared here because they were involved with one of these things
12:05 trinque "oh, I'm only busy reinventing every piece of software and hardware this nascent cryptoculture needs to survive"
12:05 trinque lol
12:05 asciilifeform trinque: not so far off.
12:06 PeterL and you don't see how what you do affects everybody else here?
12:06 trinque I respectfully tip my hat to the burden of having seen far further than one can walk (at least yet)
12:06 asciilifeform trinque: i was explaining to nubbins` et al that hanbot, whom he dislikes, is actually more of a proper 'asseteer' than i, whom he seems to respect.
12:06 asciilifeform ty trinque.
12:06 nubbins` asciilifeform fwiw i value ability and actions, and little else
12:07 asciilifeform anyway i do not know hanbot very well, cannot speak for hanbot.
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12:07 nubbins` in fact, vexatiousness seems to be the only quality she's willing to share with the world
12:08 nubbins` not worthy of much respect imo. opinions vary
12:08 asciilifeform nubbins`: she wrote a spiffy story,
12:08 asciilifeform !s shall be delivered
12:08 assbot 46 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shall+be+delivered
12:08 nubbins` zzzzzzzzzz.
12:08 nubbins` asciilifeform tell me something in the present tense and i'll maybe be interested
12:09 nubbins` wrote, was, ran, etc.
12:09 asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc the present tense is mostly re: eulora, about which i know ~0.
12:09 asciilifeform so i am powerless to help.
12:09 nubbins` so that's both of us who see no merit to having her on the lordship, then
12:10 nubbins` she's about as currently relevant as TAT
12:10 nubbins` who, if you'll double-check the list...
12:10 asciilifeform am i the last one who isn't obsessed with hunting for folks to throw out of the lordship thing >?
12:10 nubbins` an obsession this is not. you asked, i answered
12:10 PeterL should the lordship be so stringently policed?
12:10 nubbins` PeterL stringent policing isn't a thing here anymore
12:11 nubbins` financially or socially
12:12 asciilifeform nubbins`: did mircea_popescu ever answer your deedbotted grievance thing ?
12:13 nubbins` asciilifeform you read the logs as well as i. all are aware that the accusation remains unanswered
12:13 PeterL did mircea_popescu ever say how his bitcoin handles conflicting transactions?
12:13 asciilifeform PeterL: not iirc
12:14 PeterL I guess it got missed in all the shouting
12:14 nubbins` asciilifeform strange since all but hanbot and mp agree that nothing adds up
12:14 asciilifeform the ~only thing i know about mpb is that 1) it is roughly compatible with 0.6 and 2) he fixed the db locks bug years ago, and shared with me the patch, a while back, and it is in trb
12:15 asciilifeform nubbins`: from rereading the log, you can see that mircea_popescu considers the 17 btc to be a justified cost-of-war thing.
12:16 asciilifeform he was driving the tank, and it got hit.
12:17 PeterL today is presidential primary here in mich, I havn't decided how to vote, half tempted to write in Rand Paul as a protest against all the idiots still running
12:17 asciilifeform vermin supreme!
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59834 @ 0.00052618 = 31.4835 BTC [+] {2}
12:19 asciilifeform and wtf, i oppose throwing folks who are still in the battlefield, out of the lordship, srsly
12:19 nubbins` asciilifeform what mircea_popescu considers it doesn't necessarily reflect what it actually is
12:20 danielpbarron if mich is like conn, he can't vote vermin supreme if he was otherwise going to vote rand
12:20 nubbins` asciilifeform consider the case that i may consider my cat a steed. if i mount it, what happens?
12:20 PeterL no, in Michigan they give us a ballot with both parties and we get to pick wich one we vote on
12:21 asciilifeform nubbins`: mrreauw.
12:21 nubbins` anyway
12:21 danielpbarron aha, here in Connecticut if you're registered republican you can't vote in democratic primary and vice versa
12:21 asciilifeform ftr nubbins` has a first-class cat.
12:21 danielpbarron i ran into this problem in 2012 when i wanted to vote for Ron Paul
12:21 PeterL in michigan we don't even register as a party
12:22 nubbins` asciilifeform just wondering: do you still think it's a drill?
12:23 asciilifeform nubbins`: prolly not.
12:24 asciilifeform but i also think that mircea_popescu explained his pov pretty well.
12:24 nubbins` here's the straight dope. we all knew from the start that mp doesn't care when he's wrong, he just bulldozes. countless examples exist, i don't care to find them for you. kako agrees that the expense is fraudulent, jurov agrees, many others agree; the only ones who don't agree are you, who seem quite willing to let kako take the hit in order to maintain peace, and hanbot, who obviously doesn't count as an opinion
12:24 asciilifeform which was, approx., 'i drive the tank and if you don't like how, find another'
12:24 nubbins` mp's initial silence on the Nk, Nm node stuff until his other arguments were busted implies strongly that it's total bullshit,
12:25 nubbins` his ad hominem attacks (called my wife an ugly broad!) reflected quite poorly on him as a person and as a leader of anything meaningful
12:25 PeterL so, as I have been watching my trb node sync the past three months (am I the only person who thinks this takes way too long?) it seems like it spends alot of time trying to connect to nodes and timing out?
12:25 danielpbarron it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. As for the others going along with your rabble rousing, that only makes me suspicious of them.
12:25 nubbins` his inability to listen when he's offered advice is off-putting, and his inability to admit error when it's glaringly obvious is vulgar
12:26 asciilifeform nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc'
12:26 nubbins` he's a small, sad man, nothing more than a mark karpeles with better book-learning. lucked his way into a windfall by recognizing bitcoin as an opportunity early on; just hasn't fallen on the sword yet.
12:26 trinque asciilifeform: aha
12:26 trinque deedbot-: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d66ee247-5d4d-4328-b08a-fcba4a6b2f48/?raw=true
12:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyuxMR )
12:27 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:27 trinque nubbins`: ^ deed address generator
12:27 nubbins` <+danielpbarron>it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. << that's beause kako had the private convo with me, not you
12:27 danielpbarron and what is this, the non violent language center? who cares if someone used an "ad hominem" already. In my experience, uses of this term are stupid.
12:27 danielpbarron what's next I'm gonna cite private conversations with God?
12:28 trinque curl -s http://deedbot.org/bundle-401626.txt | python gen-addr.py
12:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyuIbf )
12:28 trinque 1KDzk3vd7TeXtgA3PRY6xyz2qBodPVkPTx
12:28 jurov danielpbarron: you already did, numerous times
12:28 nubbins` <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc' << agreed, which is why i found hanbot's vulgarity very disheartening; she only jumped into the conversation to insult and vexate. mp's bringing my wife into it was a ludicrous response to me accusing him of fraud. my wife's not in the picture.
12:28 danielpbarron oh yeah? where's that?
12:28 asciilifeform nubbins`: did kako sign the bbet-is-sad letter ?
12:29 asciilifeform because i don't remember seeing his sig on it
12:29 trinque as for my perspective, the tools either work or they don't. the WoT, deedbot, forum, so on, sorts itself or doesn't.
12:29 nubbins` <+jurov>danielpbarron: you already did, numerous times << HEH
12:29 nubbins` asciilifeform kako's mouth is shut for the time being
12:29 asciilifeform nubbins`: let's see if we can agree re: what the dispute is properly about
12:30 nubbins` ok
12:30 asciilifeform presently i think it was about how bbet is run.
12:30 nubbins` it's about how #b-a is run
12:31 asciilifeform bbet specifically.
12:31 PeterL is #b-a run, or does it just kinda go by itself?
12:31 nubbins` PeterL it's run
12:31 asciilifeform and from my reading of the listing article, it appears to very clearly imply that it is mircea_popescu's thing and he can take the ball and go home, etc.
12:31 nubbins` asciilifeform agreed, he has held all the cards since day 1.
12:32 jurov asciilifeform: there's the simple question, if sending zerofee tx is acting "in good faith", that #b-a forum could answer
12:32 asciilifeform but i don't recall nubbins` being sad since day1
12:32 nubbins` the listing agreement clearly states that at any time MP wishes, he can liquidate S.BBET via MPEx
12:32 nubbins` asciilifeform i'm not sad today!
12:32 danielpbarron so then there is no problem by your own admission nubbins`
12:32 nubbins` danielpbarron the logic doesn't follow, please explain showing your workings?
12:32 PeterL so the only recourse shareholders have is to sell if they disagree with his decisions, maybe they could have brought suit for negligence before the rota when that was a thing?
12:32 danielpbarron nubbins`> the listing agreement clearly states that at any time MP wishes, he can liquidate S.BBET via MPEx << QED. STFU
12:33 nubbins` lol.
12:33 asciilifeform incidentally, i am not seeing a bbet shareholder stampede
12:33 nubbins` so it's okay to commit fraud, as long as the business you're defrauding is on your exchange?
12:33 danielpbarron there was a little bit of selling, i was on the recieving end of it
12:33 PeterL there was some selling the past couple days
12:34 nubbins` danielpbarron seems to think that one cannot point out fraud if the fraudster is party to the fraud
12:34 nubbins` now there's a logical leap
12:34 nubbins` sure you don't wanna explain again?
12:34 jurov asciilifeform: the price fell by 40% last month
12:34 PeterL some of the smaller bids were removed from the orderbook, but the big ones are still there
12:34 asciilifeform nubbins`: i do not agree that the 17 was 'personal expense.'
12:34 danielpbarron that's not true jurov
12:34 asciilifeform this is the part where i part from nubbins`'s interp.
12:34 nubbins` asciilifeform fair enough and duly retracted
12:35 nubbins` i still believe it was so, in the absence of conflicting evidence
12:35 asciilifeform so i do not see the ' mircea_popescu is cheating people ' angle.
12:35 danielpbarron there hasn't been nearly enough volume on S.BBET to claim any sort of price falling, except for about a year ago when 10 or so bitcoin worth brought it from the 40s to the teens
12:35 nubbins` shame, but apparently i cannot change your mind with facts
12:35 trinque in the absence of assets it seems the only way to keep bbet running
12:35 trinque this even assuming that it was entirely a mistake and so on
12:36 asciilifeform i could see a ' bbet shareholders believe that bbet is mismanaged ' angle, but ~it is THEIR business~ and not mine, and their one option is to get off the bus, as per the articles.
12:36 nubbins` danielpbarron that was probably all of the non-mp investors leaving.
12:36 danielpbarron 10 btc is nothing
12:36 nubbins` bbet is nothing
12:36 trinque faced with "shut bitbet down" or "gift bitbet the funds to keep running" or "loan them", what's the right thing to do?
12:36 nubbins` look at the monthly statements
12:36 nubbins` you'd make a better profit bumming change outside the metro
12:37 danielpbarron there is no right thing. It's Mircea's thing like it or not
12:37 trinque companies make errors that cost money, either due to their own mistakes or externalities; that's life
12:37 nubbins` trinque that's not the question
12:37 PeterL bbet makes like 1-10 btc per month, it might still be overpriced
12:38 asciilifeform nubbins`: do you understand the essence of what mircea_popescu said to you ? about 'rabble rousing' ?
12:38 nubbins` asciilifeform got a link? i don't think he's said anything to me lately
12:38 asciilifeform 'rabbling' is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good argument.
12:38 jurov good arguments went unheard
12:38 nubbins` asciilifeform do you disagree that mp's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good ___?
12:38 asciilifeform bbet is not demoocracy-powered and won't turn into it no matter how many tears.
12:39 nubbins` also: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
12:39 assbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k32ZX6 )
12:39 danielpbarron nubbins`, you sound like a redditard
12:39 nubbins` Professional does not imply any restriction of form.ii You are free to be as offensive, annoying, disparaging, crass, crude or indecorous you feel the need or inclination to be. This includes any and all comments that in other, non-professional venues may be regarded as racist, sexist, chauvinist, fascist or whatever else. Pros don't give a shit, it's the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do.
12:39 nubbins` for emphasis: Pros don't give a shit, it's the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do.
12:39 nubbins` "too much rabble, not listening"
12:40 danielpbarron "do you disagree that X's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from Y" is like a USG memo card for filipino spammers
12:40 trinque there's a difference between offending someone with the truth as a matter of tactics, and doing it to the exclusion of sense
12:40 nubbins` danielpbarron direct mirror response to asciilifeform's statement, keep up or stfu
12:40 asciilifeform let's imagine i agreed with nubbins` now.
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00052619 = 30.6243 BTC [+]
12:40 asciilifeform what am i to ~do~ ?
12:40 asciilifeform i don't even own bbet stock
12:40 asciilifeform and if i did, the stock doesn't even vote.
12:40 asciilifeform i could... sell it.
12:40 asciilifeform this stock, that i never had.
12:41 nubbins` trinque i'd like to think i've provided facts in an offensive manner
12:41 PeterL you could short the stock?
12:41 asciilifeform sold! [imaginary stock, for imaginary coin.] satisfied ?
12:41 nubbins` asciilifeform IDGAF about bbet shareholders.
12:41 nubbins` at all.
12:41 nubbins` what i do give a shit about is people owning up to their mistakes
12:41 nubbins` mp's behaviour is forum-level.
12:41 jurov asciilifeform: so if i have an opinion about a fraud that does not directyl concern mne, i should stay silent? cuz this is not a democracy?
12:42 nubbins` jurov correct. fraud accusations are NOT welcome here.
12:42 nubbins` if you see an error in a financial statement, do not speak up.
12:42 jurov hanbot was not directly involved in many frauds, but raising hell from her is wseen as good and proper
12:42 trinque define fraud in the context of an unregistered corporation, and what the recourse shall be under no laws which define fraud?
12:42 trinque sell and negrate.
12:42 nubbins` jurov a blessing from the king will do that.
12:42 trinque that's it
12:43 nubbins` trinque sell, negrate, smear reputation if desired
12:43 * nubbins` invites all to count the number of pages of woodcollector threads on the forum
12:44 danielpbarron so go start a forum thread
12:44 nubbins` don't feel like it. what's with all the imperatives? nobody to boss around in the trailer park?
12:44 danielpbarron not this time of year no
12:45 nubbins` my sincere condolences
12:45 jurov trinque so, i'll throw your funds at coinbr by sending around zerofee tx, malformed mpex requests, etc. you'll only negrate me and do nothing else?
12:45 trinque what is the else?
12:45 jurov being loud at the forum
12:46 trinque I haven't negrated anyone for being loud!
12:46 nubbins` ^ as admin of CoinBr, the current situation directly affects jurov. maybe that's why jurov and kako are the only ones not 100% complicit in this scheme
12:46 nubbins` he doesn't wanna list a scam fund any more than kako wants to own one
12:46 danielpbarron jurov, i don't see the relation. shareholders of bbet never had an expection to control what happens with bbet funds
12:46 jurov you have control over your coinbr funds? how?
12:47 PeterL danielpbarron they have an expectation that their funds will be used with fiduciary integrity
12:47 nubbins` danielpbarron you're steadfastly dodging the point that MP's fraudulent math is the issue. IDGAF if it's bbet or him and vexual playing dice
12:47 danielpbarron well isn't that the expectation? the whole point of the broker is to hold the funds, and place the orders on my behalf..
12:47 danielpbarron i don't agree there was any fraud
12:47 ben_vulpes jurov: how frequently do mpex withdrawals go out with 0-fee txns?
12:48 nubbins` danielpbarron that disagreement is essentially the only one on the table
12:48 nubbins` whether mp committed fraud (intentional or unintentional)
12:48 nubbins` some feel yes, some feel no
12:48 nubbins` everything else is a discussion surrounding that, or idiots telling adults not to have the discussion
12:49 danielpbarron i said i was ok with what he ended up doing, ~before~ he did it
12:49 nubbins` ok, great. your opinion is noted.
12:49 PeterL danielpbarron if mircea_popescu had sent the funds to his wallet and spent them on hookers and blow, would that count as fraud or would you let him asses that as "the cost of doing business"?
12:50 jurov ben_vulpes: mpex withdrawals don't come into picture, my withdrawals would, if i sent them zerofee
12:50 danielpbarron when that bbet february statement came out, i read it and breathed a sigh of relief, not knowing how controversial it apparently was
12:50 ben_vulpes nubbins`: and what precisely the claim's root? that mircea_popescu paid twice? that the funds were his and the loan a breach of contract?
12:50 danielpbarron PeterL, i've never run a business, i don't know if those things are needed or what
12:51 nubbins` ben_vulpes that transaction B was popescu's personal funds, which he sent of his own free will, AKA a generous donation to bettors.
12:51 jurov and the picture is, that some people think that bitbet's funds are at full disposal of mircea_popescu and he can send zerofee tx and all is okay... while coinbr, somehow can not, because "broker"?
12:51 ben_vulpes ah well that's trivially answerable is it not?
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12:51 nubbins` ben_vulpes if you pay the pizza guy with your own money, EVEN IF YOU'RE AT WORK, you don't get to automatically bill work for the pizza.
12:52 nubbins` ben_vulpes not trivially, you'd actually have to click a mouse a bunch of times or w/e
12:52 ben_vulpes nubbins`: well i do but that's a special case.
12:52 ben_vulpes nubbins`: some perl.
12:52 nubbins` ben "vous" instead of you; it's a failing of english
12:52 ben_vulpes i know i know.
12:52 PeterL for the record, I view it as a stupid mistake on mp's part, not fraud, so I am fine with having sold my shares I will just let things be
12:52 trinque but that's entirely relevant; management/owners *do* get to make those kinds of decisions
12:53 trinque insofar as an agreement between the owners defines such things
12:53 nubbins` PeterL the thing about stupid mistakes is that if you realize they've happened and you DON'T CORRECT THEM, they turn into fraud.
12:53 danielpbarron i don't agree with the stupid mistake hypothesis either
12:54 PeterL think of it this way: guy makes a bad investment and loses money for his firm, does he have to personally repay it or does the company take the loss?
12:54 trinque "I unilaterally decided to loan the company X amount emergency funds to keep the lights on." << this is not unheard of, if the officer who made the decision had the power to do so
12:54 jurov PeterL: that's question of good faith
12:54 jurov is sending zerofee tx acting in good faith?
12:54 ben_vouspes PeterL: ah, that's simple! traders get fired as soon as they mean revert.
12:55 danielpbarron trinque, and since the alternative was apparently liquidating bbet shares at 0.00001 btc per share, it's absurd that anyone arguing in favor of this outcome has the shareholders interests at heart
12:55 nubbins` trinque poor analogy
12:55 trinque perhaps, how so?
12:55 PeterL he did have a loan from MPIF in the past (to cover a previous mistake), so bitbet having a loan has precedence
12:55 trinque *precedent
12:55 ben_vouspes weeeel, previous mistake was overpaying investors not double-paying bettors, was it not?
12:55 nubbins` paying the light bill is when the company purchases a service (light) for money
12:56 nubbins` giving bettors a free handout is when you just give money away
12:56 PeterL it was an overpayment, yes, just like this is an overpayment
12:57 PeterL should he ask the bettors to refund the money?
12:57 danielpbarron i'm curious what would be the argument today if there had never been a transaction B, and transactions A1-An were still nowhere to be found..
12:57 nubbins` if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back.
12:57 nubbins` danielpbarron why are you curious about something that didn't happen?
12:57 nubbins` why that specific non-occurrence, anyway?
12:58 nubbins` i'm curious what would be the argument if mp had a vagina
12:58 PeterL danielpbarron we would be asking him to talk to a miner and have the txn included in a block
12:58 danielpbarron at what cost?
12:58 nubbins` or if hanbot contributed anything useful to the realm
12:58 danielpbarron apparently any cost >0 would be fraud..
12:58 nubbins` <+PeterL>should he ask the bettors to refund the money? <<< probably not.
12:58 jurov danielpbarron: miner would ask much less than 17btc, dontcha think?
12:58 nubbins` he could, if he wished, but it would be a lol.
12:59 danielpbarron yeah that's a non-starter
12:59 nubbins` danielpbarron you're inventing hypothetical situations and saying "apparently this'd be fraud"
12:59 nubbins` come back to earth
12:59 PeterL if the cost is worth the reputation of bitbet paying out thier winnings, then he should pay it
12:59 danielpbarron i thought this was a principled stand. Now it's just that 17 was too much to pay?
12:59 nubbins` PeterL bitbet has quite a poor reputation, if you haven't noticed
13:00 nubbins` danielpbarron again, not interested in your hypotheticals
13:00 nubbins` you stated your stance
13:00 danielpbarron as have you.
13:00 asciilifeform i think nubbins` was arguing that sending tx b. was sinful.
13:00 nubbins` asciilifeform no.
13:00 asciilifeform because of where its inputs had to have come from.
13:00 PeterL I would say getting the bets paid is not worth 17 btc
13:00 nubbins` charging tx B to bitbet's liabilities was sinful.
13:00 mircea_popescu lol check it out, still with this ?
13:00 nubbins` sending B was noble until he put it on bitbet's books.
13:00 danielpbarron incidently it's none of our places to say what it was worth
13:00 * mircea_popescu shudders to think what happens if a woman tells nubbins off or something
13:01 asciilifeform nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ?
13:01 asciilifeform or ought to ? or what.
13:01 asciilifeform and hey there's mircea_popescu .
13:01 PeterL <nubbins`> if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back. << you would expect the power company to refund you
13:01 mircea_popescu really... could we conduct the nutso convention on tardstalk, reddit or whatever usual venue ?
13:02 nubbins` <+asciilifeform>nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? <<<...what? link plz.
13:02 jurov mircea_popescu: only if hanbot argues against fraudsters as usual
13:02 nubbins` PeterL i would, yes. mp would not expect the lucky bettors to refund him.
13:02 nubbins` jurov ooo fightin words
13:03 nubbins` mircea_popescu seems to feel that fraud accusations have no place in #b-a
13:03 PeterL as a lucky bettor, I would be willing to refund the extra winnings, minus a "processing fee"
13:03 nubbins` PeterL that's your perogative. i would keep them.
13:03 mircea_popescu she may be open for hire, inquire with her.
13:03 shinohai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKNt0MhTkk
13:04 assbot Monty Python - Spam - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyyJw7 )
13:04 jurov lel can i imagine how would hanbot go if nefario, inaba or anyone billed such "expenses" to their shareholders
13:04 nubbins` shinohai what's that, a joke? spamming the chan with a video about spam?
13:04 danielpbarron PeterL, this is like the "I would gladly pay higher taxes" argument. So go, pay. Make a gracious donation.
13:04 shinohai yup
13:04 mircea_popescu jurov plox to quote rather than imagine. this imagination hasn't served you well in the past, won't start to at any point.
13:04 nubbins` shinohai nb
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72176 @ 0.00052466 = 37.8679 BTC [-] {6}
13:05 mircea_popescu but by and large, the problem seems to be that either throgh simple immersion, or sheer intellectual laziness, or a mix or whatever, lots and lots of people have SERIOIS
13:05 nubbins` ooo, mp implies that he doesn't respect jurov's intelligence
13:05 mircea_popescu problems getting out of the fiat garbage.
13:05 mircea_popescu which is fine - but i also don't and won't entertain any of it.
13:05 nubbins` mircea_popescu also won't entertain serious allegations of fraud, to nobody's surprise
13:05 asciilifeform i think i have an accurate model tho. (which is 'bbet is mircea_popescu's toy, he can take ball and go home if he wants')
13:06 nubbins` asciilifeform we get it, he has a free pass from you
13:06 mircea_popescu yes, lordlist was seeded, like everything else (bitcoin included) with very low effort , and very low bars, which is how people like nubbins made it in. this is both fine and the right thing.
13:06 asciilifeform why does he need pass from me, l0l
13:06 PeterL <asciilifeform> nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? << the beauty of publicly published financials is that we can call out things we thing are misrepresented
13:06 mircea_popescu as time goes on, the bar raises, and many/most/whatever can't cope.
13:06 mircea_popescu this is also expected.
13:06 nubbins` asciilifeform he doesn't. yet still you provide.
13:06 mircea_popescu PeterL not in those terms.
13:07 asciilifeform nubbins`: as you know, i very frequently disagree with him. you could prolly make a whole book of these.
13:07 nubbins` mircea_popescu's statements about the bar raising seem to directly back up my assertion that hanbot needs to get the heave-ho.
13:07 mircea_popescu the beauty of the internet generally is that otherwise unemployable bits of social refuse can offer their unsolicited takes on things.
13:07 mircea_popescu if the people who matter think anything of it, it may see the life of day. if not... a well.
13:07 nubbins` asciilifeform always a soft disagree, never digging a heel in.
13:07 nubbins` mircea_popescu is actually describing hanbot scathingly well here
13:08 nubbins` or maybe she has a job playing diablo somewhere?
13:08 nubbins` wait, no, she "runs" F.MPIF which has been inactive for 18 months
13:08 nubbins` i have no idea why some of you cannot see this place as nothing more than a "cool kids club"
13:09 PeterL mircea_popescu but clearly there is the expectation that people inside your WoT will say something if they think your report is wrong
13:09 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#comment-116734 << check it out, moar impersonations ?
13:09 assbot The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ryzbug )
13:09 mircea_popescu PeterL aha.
13:09 nubbins` looky: if anyone feels up to the task, they can take the lordship list and put each member's past accomplishments and current works under their name. maybe see once and for all who cuts the mustard and who cuts the cheese.
13:09 mircea_popescu the matter to be resolved exactly one of two ways : fixing the report or fixing the wot.
13:10 nubbins` "nassim taleb" lol
13:10 nubbins` remember when mp was trying to get him in here?
13:10 mircea_popescu we had an idiocy of ~this caliber back about three-four years ago, which newcomers particularly bored and people without anything to do are invited to read.
13:10 * nubbins` laughs until out of breath
13:10 nubbins` taleb hanging out on irc with a bunch of drunks and permanent disability folks
13:10 mircea_popescu at that point, i was trying to get a court system off the ground, similarly with random people as judges.
13:10 asciilifeform rota?
13:11 mircea_popescu traditionally, in the common law at least, the jury is the trier of fact ; with the judge establishing the legal meaning of those facts.
13:11 nubbins` the rota was a brutal flop too
13:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
13:11 nubbins` remember the massive money-losing loophole?
13:11 nubbins` mp's ad-hoc approach to life fails more often than it succeeds
13:11 mircea_popescu this system worked more or less for a while, which is to say up to maybe the 1920s. back then people had some sort of relation to reality.
13:12 mircea_popescu it broke down, because by now social consensus is the principal guide for people. and so... the trier of fact established some sort of social consensus and was very surprised when my reaction was to simply disolve it.
13:12 mircea_popescu because apparently i don't know how the world works, and haven't properly groked the memo about how "reality is enacted by convention" or somesuch.
13:12 nubbins` logic and maths are now a matter of social consensus?
13:12 nubbins` wow.
13:12 nubbins` literally speechless
13:12 asciilifeform nubbins`: dead pilots in the '30s-'40s were sometimes found with the control joystick literally torn from its moorings. they pulled against jammed flight surfaces and physically destroyed the stick. it did not help.
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13:13 PeterL mircea_popescu if you were to start rota now, what would you do differently?
13:13 mircea_popescu i would not consider unqualified people.
13:13 mircea_popescu but now i have the ~option~ to do this. back then, i didn't.
13:13 mircea_popescu construction, willy-nilly, proceeds on scaffolding.
13:13 mircea_popescu which yes, is essentially flotsam.
13:13 nubbins` the funny thing about all of this is that if i'd approached the sitation with humbleness and humility, the report would already be changed
13:13 nubbins` but because i went on the offensive, mircea_popescu simply cannot back down.
13:14 nubbins` incidentally this was the idea from the start
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13:14 nubbins` kako was v dismayed
13:14 asciilifeform nubbins`: at least try leaving the joystick attached.
13:14 nubbins` begged me not to humiliate mp, so that bbet could continue
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13:15 nubbins` but, fuck mp, so the humiliation proceeded
13:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't see how it's not fully torn, but hey, maybe just me.
13:15 nubbins` note that S.BBET feb 2016 financials remain unsigned by kako.
13:15 asciilifeform nubbins`: if kako disagrees with mp, i expect that he will put this in writing and sign ?
13:15 asciilifeform rather than play 'telephone'
13:15 nubbins` asciilifeform yes, i expect.
13:16 asciilifeform so then.
13:16 nubbins` so then?
13:16 asciilifeform wait for him to wake up ?
13:16 nubbins` sure. in the meantime, i'll point out that he's had ample opportunity to sign the financials
13:17 nubbins` but has not, so far
13:17 asciilifeform i can see this with naked eye, sure.
13:18 nubbins` you can also see with naked eye where kako asserts that mircea_popescu broke 3.2 (d) of listing agreement?
13:19 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424941
13:19 assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 16:31:53; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 < this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute truth, it just tells everyone who reads it what you think.
13:19 asciilifeform also nubbins` seems to be painting kakobrekla as a helpless pet of mircea_popescu ?
13:19 nubbins` "i was not even aware of any of it" vs 3.2 (d)'s text: "All decisions with regards to any aspect of BitBet ... will require unanimous agreement of all the representatives of BitBet."
13:19 asciilifeform i do not think kakobrekla would agree.
13:20 nubbins` asciilifeform your assumption is incorrect, i am painting no such picture
13:20 asciilifeform nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426933 << ?
13:20 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 18:14:50; nubbins`: begged me not to humiliate mp, so that bbet could continue
13:20 nubbins` i am guessing that kako is furiously fighting this fire behind the scenes
13:21 nubbins` asciilifeform there was no other way for me to say it.
13:21 mircea_popescu so i've been looking for some sort of color revolution pronz to go with this derpy maidan thing, and the best i could find is i guess http://40.media.tumblr.com/9e888de5dbac8d7017d4e4af24cf0fe9/tumblr_meti8qPtdL1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
13:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/24OMNLP )
13:21 mircea_popescu will hafta do.
13:21 nubbins` the guy said that if i made mp angry, mp would dig in his heels and not change mind no matter what.
13:22 nubbins` and then i made mp angry
13:22 nubbins` and kako got quite upset and said thanks a lot for ruining any chance of getting mp to reverse his decision
13:22 nubbins` which is, well... it is what it is.
13:22 nubbins` you can make of it what you will
13:22 asciilifeform nubbins`: i don't even have a dog in the fight, understand this.
13:22 nubbins` asciilifeform nor do i, understand this!
13:22 asciilifeform nubbins`: you had bbet stock, no ?
13:22 nubbins` i'm fighting for the side of logic and reason
13:22 nubbins` fuck no
13:23 asciilifeform hm
13:23 nubbins` have you seen the financials?
13:23 nubbins` i don't mean feb's
13:23 nubbins` but in general
13:23 PeterL it has more revenue than S.NSA
13:23 nubbins` PeterL anything with revenue has more revenue than s.nsa
13:23 hanbot at the rate this is going, i'd almost rather be sent back to the forum, honestly.
13:24 nubbins` hanbot they wouldn't have you
13:24 nubbins` talking about bitcoin doesn't make you a part of bitcoin, etc
13:24 nubbins` nobody cares who your bf is
13:25 nubbins` asciilifeform i don't own any MPEx stocks, nor am i shorting any MPEx stocks
13:25 mircea_popescu ;;seen phf
13:25 gribble phf was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <phf> "experimental" forms to compensate for lack of rigour.
13:25 mircea_popescu i wonder what happened to him.
13:25 * nubbins` is one of the few to be paid in money for services provided rather than in shares
13:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he's been gone for longer, before.
13:26 nubbins` understand that being "paid" by mp in shares is just a fish hook
13:26 mircea_popescu yeh. i got this feeling he was hatching somerthing.
13:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches << still up.
13:27 assbot trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 )
13:27 asciilifeform so prolly not dead.
13:27 asciilifeform nubbins`: all shares are fish-hooks? you're a 'jam today' kinda fella ?
13:27 nubbins` asciilifeform no, that's not what i said.
13:28 nubbins` i said shares as remuneration is a fish hook
13:28 nubbins` consider: mircea_popescu wanted to pay for eulora heraldics in stock warrant only
13:28 nubbins` i said no, that's retarded
13:28 nubbins` so got $12k bezzlars worth of btc for the actual work and a fat stock warrant for free
13:29 nubbins` if i'd not recevied any cash, but stock warrant only -- i'd be as broke as you, no?
13:30 asciilifeform nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ?
13:31 asciilifeform for one thing, usg would take ~half. and that would buy, wahat, a month of time.
13:31 asciilifeform which i'd mostly have to spend looking for new work.
13:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's severances like these days, for non-monkey non-management sorta jobs ? is it true, ibm offer ~what everyone really gets, coupla k's an a lolipop ?
13:32 asciilifeform and also try to understand mircea_popescu's very valid observation re: how turning people into salarymen lowers them into pederasty.
13:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: variable. but there is a boojum! typically you have to sign 'noncompete' to get the severance. and you have to be sacked, can't leave on own free will. and the sacking can't be 'for cause', etc, etc.
13:33 asciilifeform lotta crud.
13:33 mircea_popescu iirc cali didn't uphold noncompetes for professional folk.
13:33 asciilifeform 3 mo. of wage, is typical.
13:33 asciilifeform cali, aha.
13:33 asciilifeform permitted elsewhere.
13:33 mircea_popescu if that still stands as good law.
13:33 asciilifeform iirc it does.
13:35 fluffypony http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/bitcoin/posts/2015-06-10-my-sofa-is-a-sidechain/main.html
13:35 assbot My Sofa is a Sidechain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyBZYk )
13:35 fluffypony Jorge Stolfi at his best
13:36 asciilifeform fluffypony: blatant rip of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405
13:36 assbot Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3ZpG )
13:37 fluffypony sure, but what if that's just a blatant rip off of this: https://goo.gl/rpnkFP
13:37 assbot Pet Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyCdio )
13:40 nubbins` <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ? <<< i'm not saying you should have taken the same amount of $$ for running s.nsa as i should have for a dozen hours' work.
13:40 nubbins` you're putting all sorts of words in my mouth today
13:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00052636 = 36.1609 BTC [+] {4}
13:41 nubbins` i'm saying that by paying his workers only in shares, mp gets people to work for free.
13:41 PeterL asciilifeform would it have made a difference if you were paid $120k?
13:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14988 @ 0.00052434 = 7.8588 BTC [-] {2}
13:41 nubbins` under the illusion that it's for some greater good.
13:42 nubbins` consider that MP has enough money to pay alf double current salary for next decade, cardano could be out in the world, but chooses not to
13:42 nubbins` because he can just give alf a pile of useless shares that he apparently can't even afford to cash out
13:42 nubbins` and there's one more talking head floating around here on mp's side
13:47 nubbins` hey hanbot : http://trilema.com/2016/the-lordship-list-third-year/#selection-1025.15-1029.267
13:47 assbot The Lordship list, third year. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OPOMi )
13:48 nubbins` you're not doing anything useful, are you?
13:48 nubbins` "being a lord is not an empty honor, but the honor of recognition, by your peers, for a useful purpose. If you aren't doing anything you broadly speaking can't be one, and if you are one it is upon you to show up in court and help settle matters (and in the process help the other lords understand you and predict your future moves)"
13:49 nubbins` also, your fief (F.MPIF) went into hibernation only 6 months after you made it to the lordship list. not a great showing by any measure.
13:50 mats the drama continues
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13:51 PeterL mpif is run by mircea_popescu, hanbot only does the throwing coins at bitbet part
13:52 nubbins` lol.
13:52 nubbins` no, she doesn't.
13:52 nubbins` go look at F.MPIF statement, show me coins thrown.
13:52 nubbins` protip: there are none
13:53 nubbins` http://trilema.com/category/fmpif/
13:53 assbot F.MPIF on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQmBG )
13:53 PeterL just a sec, I'll find it eventually
13:53 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427033 <<< wanna buy some S.POPCORN shares ?
13:53 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 18:50:50; mats: the drama continues
13:54 nubbins` PeterL october 2014 is the most recent month there was any economic activity in/out
13:54 PeterL http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2016/
13:54 assbot Line betting on BitBet, January 2016 | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQxgg )
13:54 PeterL I don't see one for february
13:55 PeterL all-time loss at 3.40250561
13:55 nubbins` PeterL: not only that, but the information contained in the post you linked just doesn't appear in the F.MPIF jan financials
13:55 nubbins` http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/
13:55 assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQCRk )
13:56 nubbins` PeterL: so if hanbot was betting for F.MPIF PC, why's it not in F.MPIF financials?
13:56 PeterL usually it is there as a small change in the total assets
13:56 nubbins` nope.
13:56 nubbins` no sign.
13:56 jurov she publishes that on thewhet.net
13:56 nubbins` oh, wait, sorry, there it is.
13:57 nubbins` it's just buried in the "assets" section instead of "in/out"
13:57 PeterL http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/ cash +1.27... tangibles -2.0
13:57 assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQCRk )
13:57 nubbins` i guess the bet money didn't go out.
13:57 nubbins` PeterL ok so she runs a F.MPIF PC that.... loses money on bitbet.
13:57 PeterL I guess no bets made or resolved in feb
13:58 nubbins` sounds like something you'd give your gf to keep her busy.
13:58 PeterL right, now you get it, serious stuff
13:58 nubbins` yeah, nothing in feb. guess it was getting in the way of diablo
13:58 PeterL should take about 20 seconds a month
13:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32508 @ 0.00052434 = 17.0452 BTC [-]
13:59 PeterL perhaps the betting strategy should be revised?
13:59 nubbins` "all-time loss at 3.40250561."
13:59 nubbins` perhaps the manager should be revised
13:59 nubbins` lol
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30142 @ 0.00052421 = 15.8007 BTC [-] {2}
14:01 PeterL but there should still be a statement for february, even if it just a signed statement "no bets made or resolved in February"
14:02 mircea_popescu fluffypony is this some sort of dig at monero or something ?
14:03 fluffypony mircea_popescu: which thing?
14:03 mircea_popescu i dunno, stolfi's nonsense.
14:03 fluffypony no, it's a review of the Bitcoin Sidechains whitepaper
14:03 fluffypony this one: https://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf
14:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyESbT )
14:04 mircea_popescu oh oh.
14:04 fluffypony best read consecutively or in conjunction
14:05 mircea_popescu bah, talk of a good idea badly executed. why is this schmuck so humourless ?
14:05 mircea_popescu "As for requirement [4], my sofa may have bugs, such as mites, spiders, or maybe even fleas. However, I have found no evidence on the web that such invertebrates have the power to cause theft of anything, much less theft of digital assets on other sidechains."
14:05 mircea_popescu i... get it. ok. very funny. sigh.
14:10 nubbins` PeterL should be, yeah.
14:11 nubbins` maybe hanbot lost 17 btc and she & mp are trying to come up with some linear algebra to explain it
14:12 PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-03-2016#1419958
14:12 assbot Logged on 02-03-2016 04:52:38; hanbot: hey mircea_popescu, is it okay if i defer this month's pc4 report and combine in april?
14:13 mircea_popescu PeterL here's the thing : in my scrollback you appear as engaged in a lengthy monologue which twice now highlighted me. are you going to take a break on your own or do i have to ignore you for a while ?
14:13 nubbins` lol
14:13 nubbins` next step: mircea_popescu ignores people who talk to nubs
14:13 nubbins` quite the kingdom
14:13 PeterL mircea_popescu I am talking with nubbins`, I guess you have him on ignore still?
14:13 mircea_popescu what do you mean "still" ?!
14:14 nubbins` PeterL there were a handful of double-month reports late last year too
14:14 nubbins` i guess hanbot plays so much diablo and loses so much bet money that doing the books once a month is an unbearable burden
14:14 PeterL was it yesterday you said you were adding him to ignore? I was not sure if you still ignored him
14:14 nubbins` PeterL offending mp is a one way street
14:14 mircea_popescu aite, so now you're sure.
14:15 PeterL I was going to ask earlier, but it seemed like a silly question
14:15 nubbins` PeterL he'd find it way harder to dodge the fraud allegations otherwise
14:15 nubbins` http://deedbot.org/deed-401626-1.txt
14:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/24OSSrN )
14:16 PeterL and it is what, 10 lines if you don't count nubbins` ? that does not seem very lengthy
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14:17 nubbins` well, y'know, bruised egos are tender.
14:18 nubbins` ben_vouspes https://blockchain.info/address/1AhQe7VKxvAcnEBbt9mt5iwwxY9LeKbJtR
14:18 assbot Bitcoin Address 1AhQe7VKxvAcnEBbt9mt5iwwxY9LeKbJtR ... ( http://bit.ly/24OT4qU )
14:18 nubbins` ben_vouspes i'm no blockchain analysis expert but that doesn't look like bitbet's money to me
14:19 nubbins` if you trace the chain all the way back, it actually appears to be MPEx's money :0
14:20 nubbins` https://blockchain.info/tx/6ad6de39290431f2077c3e972d72e4fae7eb3bf384a966b9bf7f1c0832e6a7c1
14:20 assbot Bitcoin Transaction 6ad6de39290431f2077c3e972d72e4fae7eb3bf384a966b9bf7f1c0832e6a7c1 ... ( http://bit.ly/24OTm10 )
14:20 nubbins` the 1Gpng output gets successively split up into a bunch of different pieces, and a chunk of it eventually ends up paying out the bettors
14:21 nubbins` so, put another way: mircea_popescu borrowed money from MPEx, sent it to bettors, and charged the expense to BitBet
14:21 nubbins` kakobrekla jurov ^ gibi-lol
14:21 nubbins` asciilifeform ^
14:21 nubbins` bbl lunch / lollercoaster
14:32 nubbins` ben_vouspes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426796 http://pastebin.com/raw/1mrrGXt7
14:32 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 17:51:29; ben_vulpes: ah well that's trivially answerable is it not?
14:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/24OUJwK )
14:37 danielpbarron ;;seen williamdunne
14:37 gribble williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 41 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <williamdunne> But yah
14:40 asciilifeform nubbins` what's that
14:41 nubbins` asciilifeform that's funds moving out of MPEx address and ending up as inputs to tx "B"
14:41 nubbins` mumble mumble conflict of interest
14:42 nubbins` mumble mumble MPEx funds being sent to bettors and BitBet getting stuck with the bill
14:42 williamdunne danielpbarron: Hello Daniel
14:42 danielpbarron hi
14:43 nubbins` asciilifeform feel free to verify on your own node; blockchain.info may be incorrect
14:47 nubbins` interestingly, 11.5 BTC gets broken off and sent to gabriel_laddel at one point.
14:48 nubbins` sorry, "gabrielradio", my bad
14:48 danielpbarron even if some came or went to lizzard hitler's address it wouldn't prove a damn because this kind of analysis can only be held against ~fiat~ institutions
14:49 asciilifeform nubbins`: fwiw pretty much all of my own coin would appear as 'mpex funds' per your analysis.
14:49 danielpbarron ie : in a qntra about silk road cops running with drug funds or the like
14:49 nubbins` asciilifeform but the difference is that your coin wasn't sent to bettors.
14:50 nubbins` anyway, only looked into it at ben_vouspes urging
14:51 nubbins` interested parties are free to make their own decisions on what it means
14:52 nubbins` given that gabrielradio is ahttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410033
14:52 nubbins` oops! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410033
14:52 assbot Logged on 19-02-2016 02:24:48; assbot: You rated user gabrielradio on 14-Oct-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Apprentice Trilema translator..
14:53 williamdunne Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian?
14:54 williamdunne I'm down for working on that, I started learning last week funnily enough..
14:55 danielpbarron where've ya been? for the other 24 weeks?
14:56 williamdunne I got kicked, spent a while picking myself up. Wasn't reading the logs very often, only Trilema and Qntra
14:56 williamdunne Oh and Contravex a little
14:56 danielpbarron kicked?
14:57 williamdunne Difficulty in my personal life, nothing I couldn't recover from (obviously(
14:57 ben_vouspes fucking giga-lol
14:58 ben_vouspes mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true.
14:59 danielpbarron what is personal life? is there impersonal life?
15:00 nubbins` ben_vouspes biggest lol yet.
15:00 nubbins` it basically violates every document MP has ever signed
15:00 nubbins` kakobrekla ^
15:00 nubbins` danielpbarron for many, working hours are impersonal life
15:00 williamdunne danielpbarron: the part of life I wouldn't talk in public
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00052402 = 35.843 BTC [-] {6}
15:02 nubbins` ben_vouspes i can't see any other explanation. mircea_popescu claimed ownership of B's inputs, and they came from MPEx. Best-case scenario, mircea_popescu legitimately received the funds from MPEx and paid the bettors out of pocket. Worse-case scenario, he paid the bettors directly with MPEx funds.
15:02 nubbins` this is the final nail in the fraud coffin
15:03 nubbins` i'm just gonna fuck off for a while and see if anyone bothers to care about all this evidence
15:03 nubbins` cheers
15:03 ben_vouspes all over 17 btc.
15:04 ben_vouspes quelle fucking triste
15:04 fluffypony quelle triste destinée!
15:05 * fluffypony sings
15:06 danielpbarron !rated diana_coman
15:06 assbot You rated user diana_coman on 21-Jul-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: fellow Eulorian; gatherer of groceries, and builder of bots.
15:06 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.3:e874ab9653fc33c3f7ec679664111545a565b8d762a8c8d273d8ff060da2c379
15:06 assbot Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 2 to 3 with note: Fellow Euloran; trainer of noobs, builder of bots, gatherer of groceries.
15:09 williamdunne Seems like I chose an exciting time to reappear
15:09 williamdunne Gonna go logdiving
15:09 PeterL bring some popcorn
15:10 williamdunne Whereabouts does all this drama begin?
15:10 danielpbarron i thought you read qntra
15:11 PeterL about last friday?
15:12 PeterL so the 3rd or 4th?
15:12 williamdunne I must have missed this part on Qntra.. ok I'm going in
15:12 PeterL see the "miner problem" qntra article
15:15 williamdunne Yeah the only one I didn't read seemingly
15:15 williamdunne Hot stuff
15:27 ben_vouspes williamdunne: and woefully incomplete. you'll need to read logs back to friday or thursday of last week to get a notion of what's going on.
15:28 williamdunne Yeah I'm on Friday currently
15:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00052721 = 13.9183 BTC [+] {3}
15:37 nubbins` williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423536 is roughly around the time i finished reading qntra A Miner Problem article, with the first shot fired shortly thereafter
15:37 assbot Logged on 06-03-2016 12:58:05; nubbins`: asciilifeform i thought it was fairly obvious that MP had been divesting since he lost his shirt w/ MPOE?
15:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00052649 = 7.055 BTC [-]
15:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44990 @ 0.00052767 = 23.7399 BTC [+] {3}
16:00 BingoBoingo Art project so far, base for impoler http://i.imgur.com/7izudGF.jpg and stuff above. 20' 7" of tree http://i.imgur.com/hLHlToY.jpg
16:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4tkwg )
16:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4tmV0 )
16:01 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.85000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b171
16:15 deedbot- [Qntra] New Cross Platform Malware Depends on JVM - http://qntra.net/2016/03/new-cross-platform-malware-depends-on-jvm/
16:18 solrodar nubbins`: I was also paid directly from the same mpex address for this work: http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/
16:18 assbot [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4wBMb )
16:19 solrodar all indications were that the payment was in a personal capacity, and it never appeared on the statements of mpex or nsa
16:19 solrodar looks like he's in the habit of using an mpex wallet for personal expenses
16:19 solrodar that isn't necessarily fraudulent, as long as everything's properly accounted for
16:20 nubbins` solrodar petalol, do you have the tx handy?
16:20 danielpbarron even if all the addresses were emptied to 1bitcoineater it wouldn't matter.
16:20 solrodar https://blockchain.info/tx/b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458
16:20 assbot Bitcoin Transaction b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4x4Ox )
16:21 nubbins` lel.
16:21 nubbins` my money, company's money, w/e
16:21 solrodar http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213127
16:21 assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help!
16:22 nubbins` yotta-lol.
16:23 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b172
16:23 solrodar of course he would argue that what constitutes "company's money" does not necessarily map directly to addresses on the blockchain
16:24 nubbins` if a single bitcoin address is being used for both "company money" and personal money, that's setting off alarm bells
16:25 nubbins` do you know what they call it when the CEO uses the company's bank account as his own personal bank account also?
16:25 danielpbarron this is like when some celeb gets outed as a womanizer and all the girlies out out of nowhere to retroactively claim he touched her
16:25 nubbins` danielpbarron hush, dear heart
16:25 nubbins` we know it hurts
16:26 danielpbarron i am only growing my confident in my position
16:26 nubbins` solrodar's claims are backed up by mp's own words in the log, and the blockchain
16:26 danielpbarron and more irritated in your persistence nubbins`
16:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24157 @ 0.00052649 = 12.7184 BTC [-]
16:26 danielpbarron growing more*
16:26 nubbins` you're growing more deaf to reason
16:26 solrodar I'm not accusing him of anything here, just giving a bit of context to the earlier discussion
16:26 nubbins` danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213127
16:26 assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help!
16:27 nubbins` danielpbarron: https://blockchain.info/tx/b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458/
16:27 assbot Bitcoin Transaction b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4yad6 )
16:27 danielpbarron i hesitate to even attempt reasoning with you, because I believe you have "broken the joystick" so to speak
16:28 nubbins` http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-july-2015-statement/
16:28 assbot MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4yhp2 )
16:28 nubbins` danielpbarron at this point i feel ok telling you to fuck off.
16:28 fluffypony my wife breaks my joystick like all the time
16:28 nubbins` i just gave you (a) mp saying "thanks, here's your money, here's the tx", (b) the tx comes from mpex (c) the tx is not on mpex's books
16:29 nubbins` if you hesitate to attempt reasoning with these facts, fuck you
16:30 nubbins` i have no interest in reasoning with those who abandon reason
16:30 davout nubbins`: i fail to see how (b) implies (c), I can perfectly have an account on my own exchange, can't I?
16:31 nubbins` this is true
16:31 davout my money is on a paymium-controlled addy, your examination of my withdrawal on the blockchain would conclude to fraud?
16:31 asciilifeform nubbins`: did you miss the part where i point out that ~all of MY coin is just as 'mpex'y
16:31 nubbins` mp could have sent the funds to solrodar from mp's mpex account
16:31 asciilifeform it would look exactly the same if ~i~ had paid the bet winners.
16:32 williamdunne nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet might be a bad habit, I don't think its an issue in itself, although reading through the logs it seems everything has gone to shit
16:32 asciilifeform from the point of view of nubbins`
16:32 asciilifeform and it would greatly surprise me if most of mircea_popescu's personal coin was not 1 step from mpex
16:32 asciilifeform so what is astonishing, nubbins` ?
16:32 davout nubbins`: i think you made some valid points, but this is not one of them
16:32 asciilifeform ^
16:32 trinque if one had invested significantly in the infrastructure for an exchange, it stands to reason that he'd not use this to hold his own funds, and instead would keep it on a usb stick plugged into his fucking pogo
16:33 danielpbarron !rated nubbins`
16:33 assbot You rated user nubbins` on 30-Jun-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: for the purpose of turning the spam nozzle two clicks towards the off position, and in the interest of discovering whether a lord can be silenced or not.
16:33 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.nubbins`.-3:d427bdf36173205cad1ccd6b5631df015cf4de72d9b7d150d0a03d7ed949655a
16:33 assbot Successfully updated the rating for nubbins` from -1 to -3 with note: Suffers from the misguided notion that bitcoin companies are subject to the same rules as fiat
16:33 nubbins` davout my logic stretched too far!
16:33 nubbins` danielpbarron is this a race to -10 now?
16:33 davout nubbins`: and I'm out of popcorn!
16:33 nubbins` davout guess we better both rewind
16:33 nubbins` !rated danielpbarron
16:33 assbot You have not rated danielpbarron.
16:34 nubbins` wild
16:36 nubbins` !v assbot:nubbins`.rate.danielpbarron.-10:9cad03701ab6bdc18d16905aafdb5fb5438ae5f7bd07a5cfdf0a756bdf9cdff3
16:36 assbot Successfully added a rating of -10 for danielpbarron with note: Devoted to a man rather than to a cause.
16:36 nubbins` happy now?
16:36 danielpbarron i wear my negative ratings like badges of war
16:36 danielpbarron you are in good company
16:36 nubbins` i'd say you wear your hemorrhoids like badges of war
16:36 nubbins` doesn't make em shiny
16:37 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424480
16:37 assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 13:32:31; danielpbarron: i'm not interested in bitcoin if he's not interested in it
16:37 nubbins` for shame
16:38 danielpbarron is this a surprising position to come from the guy who believes in God (a man)
16:38 nubbins` not at all.
16:38 nubbins` i didn't say "for surprise"
16:38 davout meanwhile, à paris https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdDm4VKWoAAhgBi.jpg:large
16:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/21Xekvx )
16:39 asciilifeform !rated nubbins`
16:39 assbot You rated user nubbins` on 24-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin.
16:39 asciilifeform i like nubbins` .
16:39 nubbins` here we go
16:39 solrodar !rate nubbins` 0 +1 is making some valid points / -1 is being a complete dick about it
16:39 assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
16:39 asciilifeform and my rating - stands.
16:39 nubbins` alf!
16:39 solrodar ):
16:39 nubbins` i like you too
16:39 nubbins` solrodar hate the game, not the player
16:39 asciilifeform but i do recommend to nubbins` , to take a breather
16:40 asciilifeform or he will pop aneurism.
16:40 nubbins` heh.
16:40 nubbins` stress left my vocabulary in early 2013
16:40 nubbins` but duly noted -- will prob just watch these embers and see if they take hold
16:40 nubbins` my guess is, no
16:41 nubbins` will set the stage for the future of TMSR~ either way
16:42 nubbins` also, if you don't send me address for these shirts, i'm sending them to real nsa w/ your name on box 8)
16:42 asciilifeform nubbins`: l0l, meanwhile send my an addr plox, i have been away from home.
16:43 asciilifeform (they will go to the same place as the last crate, if you still have the addr)
16:43 asciilifeform phun phakt, it is a dilapidated post office, where the letters on the sign have fallen off, it is a 'p s ffic' now i think.
16:44 asciilifeform inside ~smells~ of 1972.
16:44 asciilifeform posters on the walls, faded so far that you cannot read even, what they were.
16:45 asciilifeform it represents the side of usg mircea_popescu likes to bring up, the threadbare zimbabwe side.
16:48 nubbins` asciilifeform i will check my records -- may or may not have kept
16:56 asciilifeform nubbins`: no worries, i will send it to you again when i get home.
17:01 nubbins` see pm
17:03 asciilifeform also nubbins` iirc someone else wanted some
17:03 asciilifeform let them first have however many shirts
17:03 nubbins` yes, will pull those first. i think it's only a couple
17:07 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.83235000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b174
17:13 asciilifeform wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99...' ??
17:15 danielpbarron someone who wants to mix coins
17:15 williamdunne danielpbarron: And needs them sometime between now and.. um
17:16 danielpbarron strange that they'd do it on a 50/50 bet though
17:16 danielpbarron i never understood the whole "omg when are my winnings comming, i neeeed them!"
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26739 @ 0.00052818 = 14.123 BTC [+] {2}
17:18 nubbins` williamdunne lol
17:19 nubbins` danielpbarron as of right now it's "are my winnings coming?"
17:19 BingoBoingo <danielpbarron> i never understood the whole "omg when are my winnings comming, i neeeed them!" << General Bitcoin related anxiety from having them away from One's keys
17:19 nubbins` BingoBoingo +1, they're not your winnings until they're in your hands
17:20 danielpbarron no i've specifically seen the argument made from a winner that he needed the funds to seed his next bet
17:20 nubbins` heh
17:20 nubbins` too bad for him, i guess
17:20 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: That too
17:20 danielpbarron the solution is a simple one: stop being poor
17:21 nubbins` or stop betting
17:34 deedbot- [Qntra] Elon Musk Venture Remotely Diddles Attentive Owner's Vehicle - http://qntra.net/2016/03/elon-musk-venture-remotely-diddles-attentive-owners-vehicle/
17:35 BingoBoingo ;;later tell fluffypony Did you really sign a document about being more polite?
17:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:36 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/03/gchq-uses-mit-speech-to-get-chummy-with-tech-industry-over-crypto-backdoors << l0ltr0nic
17:36 assbot GCHQ uses MIT speech to get chummy with tech industry over crypto backdoors | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1R68hjp )
17:39 asciilifeform also lulzy, from same rag, http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/03/report-elon-musk-tim-cook-and-larry-page-meet-to-halt-trumps-ascendancy
17:39 assbot Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/220EUR3 )
17:40 nubbins` heh
17:40 nubbins` why don't they meet to institute an idiot harvest instead?
17:51 hanbot so mircea_popescu do you suppose these people were hacked or something, ie some kinda inept Chinese-PR? even without nubbins` meltdown, you have PeterL, the ex-mildmannered professional chemist with a family, going http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427105 like a five year old suddenly, what the fuck is this?!
17:51 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 19:16:32; PeterL: and it is what, 10 lines if you don't count nubbins` ? that does not seem very lengthy
17:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.0005277 = 15.2722 BTC [-] {3}
18:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00052649 = 6.5811 BTC [-]
18:03 BingoBoingo hanbot: Crisis does funny things to people's brains
18:10 ben_vouspes nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain.
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18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 454 @ 0.0216 = 9.8064 BTC [-] {2}
18:22 mircea_popescu hanbot nubbins` is just doing his trademark low hanging fruit thing, "what's the lowest effort thing i could possibly do to maintain the pretense i'm doing something". that's his coping mechanism with life, it "worked pretty well" or whatever, it's what he knows, it's what he does. there's a whole stack of these idiots running around like pointless chickens, i dunno that much need be explained.
18:23 mircea_popescu he sat in the chan counting his bellybutton lint for years, making inept arguments about pointless shit - he lost all of them, but hey, as long as mp doesn't come straight out with "you're stupid, go back to school" one needn't notice this actually happened, can just as well pretend that blabla.
18:23 mircea_popescu meanwhile other people did things, and there he sat on ass, thinking to himself "oh heh, am i fucking special - all these idiots are sweating bullets and i think i'm exactly the same as them but much smarter because I'm not even doing anything!". aka sprezzatura, ie what happens when you overfeed and underbeat the children.
18:23 mircea_popescu then that bizarre theory got put to the test and it broke like a bridge made out of rickety reeds and now the unspeakable happened, and there is the mirror and oh god the horror.
18:24 mircea_popescu peterl is kinda the same, trying to hang on to the train, which is moving kinda fast and so on.
18:24 mircea_popescu the whole incident is certainly a fine example of why b-a and the world generally can't work as a "mp supported" thing. gotta be very expensive to be a lord, or else self-flattery is much to powerful a force.
18:25 mircea_popescu williamdunne> Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian? << there was a guy, gabrielradio, did some so-so work. it is HARD.
18:26 mircea_popescu ben_vouspes> mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. << one day you'll comprehend what this "there is no bitcoin taint" thing means.
18:26 mircea_popescu and why it is both wrong and stupid to entertain fiatista's pretense of re-interpreting bitcoin in fiatista terms.
18:27 mircea_popescu the point is to crush, not to extend, the relevancy of old world idiocy into the new.
18:27 mircea_popescu danielpbarron> what is personal life? is there impersonal life? << funny enough, this actually came up in the harem recently. i liked the conclusion. public are all matters which can be expressed such that all the individuals who know of them can accept the expression. private is everything else.
18:28 mircea_popescu which is why addition is a public matter and faith, not.
18:28 williamdunne asa si asa, there is my start
18:28 mircea_popescu hehehe. so go for it. but note that the guy was a native speaker. trilema, and especially ro trilema, is incredibly tense. in fact i do not believe harder source text exists in the whole 2k year history of the place.
18:28 deedbot- [Trilema] La Santa Soppressata - http://trilema.com/2016/la-santa-soppressata/
18:32 mircea_popescu williamdunne> nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet << there is no such thing as "the company wallet".
18:34 ben_vouspes as predicted.
18:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ?
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18:35 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Do you have anything in particular that you would care to see translated, ideally something that isn't literal poetry? Yeah I've only just started picking RO up, so it would probably be a slow process..
18:35 mircea_popescu assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut.
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18:36 mircea_popescu williamdunne not that there's any hurry. lemme see, something that's more accessible, perhaps interesting, not very ro context-y...
18:37 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2009/viitorul-se-compune-din-spaima/ << try that. shorter, earlier...
18:37 assbot Viitorul se compune din spaima. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24PlwJa )
18:38 diana_coman williamdunne, for practice, join eulora and I'll offer quests and training in Ro only, no problem
18:38 williamdunne I have an account somewhere, it's time I've been lacking. But if I can pick it up, that would be very kind, thank you
18:39 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Thanks, I'll start working through it
18:41 mircea_popescu a right, diana_coman also native speaker.
18:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 143 @ 0.0209 = 2.9887 BTC [-]
18:45 mircea_popescu ben_vouspes> as predicted. << predicted my foot. you've prolly not even noticed that trilema's previous article was "color of money", or that the current one continues in the "trolling the idiots" vein.
18:47 mircea_popescu also d9b19f22606c66ed66e0271eb52064e61fdbd1c6022aa25b175d691dac12148c4a5e4a7ff00a0971fc35e24ed7909ad195ea38f8d44f1e52fc847deb3c1c8e12
18:48 ben_vouspes mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427333
18:48 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 23:10:34; ben_vouspes: nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain.
18:49 mircea_popescu ben_vouspes now try sha512("(and if you say anything other than "no it was in my mempool" to this list of easy to explain coincidences, you lose)")
18:51 ben_vouspes i have no idea what point you're trying to make.
18:52 mircea_popescu i'm just amusing myself, carry on.
18:53 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
18:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 412.15, vol: 5584.85171220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 5684.28593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 411.64, vol: 10209.75146076 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 13.0417394 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.446436, vol: 39366.03800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 410.57, vol: 1313.03639734 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 417.052814, vol: 66.46005481 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
18:53 BingoBoingo ;;more
18:53 gribble 416.637087416
18:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9135 @ 0.00052649 = 4.8095 BTC [-]
19:01 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
19:01 gribble Current Blocks: 401773 | Current Difficulty: 1.584272037673917E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 403199 | Next Difficulty In: 1426 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:01 BingoBoingo ;;nethash
19:01 gribble 1143162073.27
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19:26 nubbins` mp sure is zzzzz today
19:27 nubbins` hanbot i just heard about your 58mn ECu loss -- maybe when you're able to do something other than run the mouth and lose money, people might care what you have to say?
19:28 nubbins` until then, you're kinda just a dr. forehead but better at bleeding cash
~ 29 minutes ~
19:58 mats is this feud going to be an ongoing thing in the logs now
19:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44195 @ 0.00052785 = 23.3283 BTC [+] {2}
19:59 nubbins` i was done until mp decided he'd have another shot at his trump impersonation
20:02 hanbot mircea_popescu meh, i guess eskimociuciu has eternal representation so long as the current voice distributes so much chum.
20:03 BingoBoingo !b1
20:03 BingoBoingo !b 1
20:04 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TVZRMS.txt )
20:04 BingoBoingo some old references there
20:04 hanbot ;;later_tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing.
20:04 gribble Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command.
20:04 hanbot ;;later tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing.
20:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:04 hanbot BingoBoingo shit apparently doesn't change much.
20:05 BingoBoingo hanbot: Some things/people change. Others simply change the body they reside in. Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu
20:06 BingoBoingo or ciubob
20:08 hanbot hahaha, sounds about right.
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58479 @ 0.00052907 = 30.9395 BTC [+] {4}
20:20 BingoBoingo Maybe Husciu Obobma?
20:20 BingoBoingo brb mtg
20:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67548 @ 0.0005296 = 35.7734 BTC [+] {2}
20:29 TomServo be right back, magic: the gathering?
20:29 nubbins` ^
20:29 mircea_popescu it took five passes until "Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu" coallesced into " Reverse of the (everybody is MP) deal. Everbody is bobciu"
20:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63972 @ 0.00052757 = 33.7497 BTC [-] {2}
20:30 mircea_popescu ;;ud mtg
20:30 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mtg | mtg. stands for Magic: The Gathering. A very good and very popular trading card game by Wizards of the Coast. Far superior to Pokemon but targets an older ...
20:30 mircea_popescu guess it must be.
20:31 nubbins` ;;ud parallel conversation
20:31 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Parallel+Chatting | The phenomena that occurs when an online chat morphs into two parallel conversations, usually as a result of one person continuing a conversation w...
20:31 danielpbarron i used to play it; still got my cards
20:32 TomServo same. I should prolly divest them along with my bitcoins, eh?
20:33 mircea_popescu does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ?
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20:33 TomServo both, I believe
20:34 danielpbarron i mostly did cards in person. there was a windows client called apprentice i used a little
20:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40403 @ 0.00052649 = 21.2718 BTC [-]
20:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50834 @ 0.00052649 = 26.7636 BTC [-]
20:53 mircea_popescu i think i actually might have played this on the ipad back when i did teh "literature survey" for s.mg
20:55 nubbins` til mp owns an ipad
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20:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427354 << when pigs fly to orbit
20:55 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 23:35:45; mircea_popescu: assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut.
20:56 asciilifeform e.g., palantir, has higher priority than post office, literally
20:56 mircea_popescu you're kidding, right ?
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75550 @ 0.00052604 = 39.7423 BTC [-] {2}
20:56 asciilifeform nope
20:56 mircea_popescu mcdonalds has higher priority than walmart, which has higher priority than the army.
20:57 mircea_popescu palantir may be above elon musk, but the whole thing is a "youth communist movement" side project.
20:57 mircea_popescu gone in a weekend.
20:57 asciilifeform you haven't seen the post in my town...
20:57 mircea_popescu makes no diff.
20:57 mircea_popescu what was that derpy soviet thing that wanted to be an independent art movement ?
20:58 * asciilifeform brb
20:58 mircea_popescu gorn!
21:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57454 @ 0.00052619 = 30.2317 BTC [+]
21:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20766 @ 0.00052637 = 10.9306 BTC [+]
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21:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148790 @ 0.00052967 = 78.8096 BTC [+] {2}
21:32 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3642934#msg3642934
21:33 assbot BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1p6Dw0X )
21:33 nubbins` from the mouth of hanbot : "Failing to use tx fees is mooching. Using a (notoriously inept) "service" that fails to use tx fees is also mooching."
21:34 nubbins` also from the mouth of hanbot: "You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence that was out of your hands. You either didn't make sure you understood the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not to care. In either case, it is you that will have to adjust (and I do earnestly hope that you do; there are a lot of resources on this very forum, on IRC, and around the web that can help)."
21:34 nubbins` this level of irony borders on vulgarity.
21:36 nubbins` At any rate, this isn't a chastisement. If you fuck up to this degree, you're stuck having fucked up.
21:45 danielpbarron also from that thread >> If a couple of pools were interested in bobbaing up MP's reputation, they could start taking longer to include transactions into blocks if bitbet addresses are involved. Just take care to not wait for way too many blocks, otherwise the pool's reputation get fucked.
21:45 mircea_popescu this, iirc, is in the bbet statement.
21:46 nubbins` pool reputation
21:47 nubbins` danielpbarron: do you agree with hanbot in the linked thread that failing to use tx fees is mooching?
21:53 danielpbarron the two situations aren't really comparable; in the case to which she was referring, the 0-fee transaction was spending an output that only had 162 confirmations, several thousand less than the youngest output spent in the now infamous 'A1'
21:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.000529 = 53.9316 BTC [-] {3}
21:54 nubbins` danielpbarron her statement doesn't contain the qualifiers you mention -- by my understanding of english syntax, she's making a blanket statement.
21:54 kakobrekla they also arent comparable in a sense not having full mempools in 2013 and having full mempools in 2016.
21:54 nubbins` she didn't say "failing to use tx fees for an output with only X confirmations is mooching"
21:55 nubbins` this is also true.
21:55 nubbins` mempools in 2013 were ghost towns, and there's hanbot still saying that 0-fee is for idiots
21:55 nubbins` fast-forward to 2016 mempool backlog of enormous size...
21:55 kakobrekla perhaps full and nonfull is not the best word as they cant be really full, just large or small.
21:56 nubbins` ...0-fee is not for idiots?
21:56 nubbins` does not compute
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79097 @ 0.00052788 = 41.7537 BTC [-] {2}
21:59 asciilifeform nubbins`: i need the quote
21:59 asciilifeform nubbins`: for the crate.
21:59 asciilifeform you forgot the actual cost.
22:01 nubbins` ;;calc 150/[ticker --last]
22:01 gribble 0.364999026669
22:01 nubbins` ^
22:01 nubbins` sorry, wait, wrong currency
22:01 nubbins` ;;calc 111.61/[ticker --last]
22:02 gribble 0.27158360911
22:02 nubbins` ^
22:02 asciilifeform ty nubbins`
22:02 nubbins` np
22:05 asciilifeform that must be a refrigerator-sized crate??
22:06 nubbins` just extremely heavy
22:07 asciilifeform ah
22:07 nubbins` and, if you'll take a look at a map of north america, twodogland is very, very far away from major shipping hubs
22:07 nubbins` cripples our online store, let me tell ya
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66324 @ 0.00052734 = 34.9753 BTC [-]
22:09 asciilifeform makes sense.
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00052734 = 20.0389 BTC [-]
22:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25746 @ 0.00052734 = 13.5769 BTC [-]
22:25 BingoBoingo <TomServo> be right back, magic: the gathering? << meeting, for my improvement
22:31 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just about anyone alive in total. still can barel
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22:31 assbot Logged on 09-03-2016 01:33:09; mircea_popescu: does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ?
22:31 asciilifeform y stand to hear it mentioned !
22:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:31 asciilifeform client AND server.
22:31 asciilifeform monstrous thing, it was.
22:32 * BingoBoingo did not think his abbreviation would be construed to have that meaning. Was just mundane Tuesday sober meeting.
22:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427419 << he bought it to play games, and told the story in the logz, it was lulzy
22:33 assbot Logged on 09-03-2016 01:55:06; nubbins`: til mp owns an ipad
22:33 nubbins` BingoBoingo how was the coffee
22:34 * nubbins` enjoys thick black coffee that makes his throat feel the way it felt when he smoked cigs
22:34 BingoBoingo nubbins`: A bit watery as is the 13th tradition
22:34 nubbins` phun phact, the first drip coffee machine i ever owned, i was making double-strength pots for the first 6 months until i made a cup for a guest one day
22:35 nubbins` "wtf is this tar?"
22:38 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427352 << why would i put in 1 btc to get 0.99 out !?!??!
22:38 assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ?
22:38 asciilifeform (if ~win~ !)
22:38 asciilifeform https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march << match starts in, iirc, 20 min.
22:38 assbot BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 3 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5VsDd )
22:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39355 @ 0.0005258 = 20.6929 BTC [-] {3}
22:41 nubbins` pretty even odds there
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6954 @ 0.00052675 = 3.663 BTC [+]
22:46 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/138 << prb lulz
22:46 assbot Headfirst mining by gavinandresen · Pull Request #138 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrmqHX )
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22:49 asciilifeform how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.'
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22:49 asciilifeform 9 times of 10 it gives 'corrupted wallet'
22:49 asciilifeform that trb chokes on, during rescan, and quits.
22:51 asciilifeform so i go and send on another box and guess what, it had previous trb, and tx is high-s.
22:52 asciilifeform nubbins`: txid in pm. but this is sad.
22:52 nubbins` "Transaction rejected by our node. Reason: Non-canonical signature: High S Value"
22:52 asciilifeform they should ALL burn.
22:53 nubbins` maybe try sending again from MPEx funds and then bill it to bitbet?
22:53 asciilifeform the miners, the imbecile komyooonity, the faux nodes, the lot.
22:53 nubbins` X)
22:53 asciilifeform nubbins`: this clearly comes next!111
22:53 nubbins` heeeee
23:02 adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8 !
23:03 assbot Match 1 - Google DeepMind Challenge Match: Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1p6LBCR )
23:03 adlai huh, google's stream is borked
23:05 adlai seems to work now.
23:06 mircea_popescu !up rrtgzg
23:07 mircea_popescu wait, did the korean lose ?
23:07 nubbins` fun fact, go is called baduk in korea
23:07 * nubbins` has a nice baduk set
23:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31780 @ 0.00053049 = 16.859 BTC [+]
23:10 mircea_popescu kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police should pay for the ca
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23:10 mircea_popescu rpet" and herp derp "i'm running a broken matching engine and find things to 'support' my nonsensical rabidism anywhere i look!!1"
23:11 asciilifeform fucktardedly, the talkingheads of alphago are prattling in front of an ~empty~ vertical go board. The game per se is a small corner inset !
23:12 asciilifeform or hm, now switched to sane picture...
23:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform liveblog for me plox ? if you're watching this ?
23:16 asciilifeform i will be for anoher few min, falling asleep
23:16 asciilifeform adlai had link earlier if someone wants to see.
23:18 asciilifeform the game is ~dozen mov. in.
23:19 asciilifeform machine is playing timidly
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23:19 asciilifeform if that is the word.
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00053073 = 32.693 BTC [+]
23:21 mircea_popescu mkay ima pull this on a projector.
23:21 mircea_popescu running outta screens here ;/
23:22 mircea_popescu omfg what is with the talking schmucks.
23:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i could not endure them, cut the audio.
23:23 mircea_popescu i only see the gesturing. is there a proper feed of this ?
23:23 asciilifeform srsly it feels like an american election crud vid
23:23 adlai "it's numbers that i don't really understand. it's just really large numbers"
23:24 mircea_popescu jesus the actual game is on the insert to the right ? wtf is with that country srsly.
23:24 mircea_popescu also why is googlebot playing like a fucking housewife.
23:24 mircea_popescu are we going to see a line from sea to sea before this is done ?
23:24 asciilifeform i said.
23:24 mircea_popescu !s housewife
23:24 assbot 41 results for 'housewife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=housewife
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10035 @ 0.00053049 = 5.3235 BTC [-]
23:25 mircea_popescu so you did omg.
23:25 mircea_popescu i thought i had come up with it on my own! turns out it's from logs ?
23:25 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427534
23:25 assbot Logged on 09-03-2016 04:19:40; asciilifeform: machine is playing timidly
23:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it looks pretty poorly for the bot atm.
23:26 asciilifeform but somebody (adlai?) noted that earlier games were similar
23:26 mircea_popescu ie slow to start ?
23:26 mircea_popescu wins on complexity tail end ?
23:26 asciilifeform the box plays very conservatively and waits for meat player to slip
23:26 mircea_popescu aha
23:27 adlai except it seemed in its games against Fan Hui (EU champion) that it never fully capitalized on slips
23:27 mircea_popescu i'm kinda surprised they didn't brand the table.
23:27 adlai just kept playing the most "consolidating" moves
23:30 mircea_popescu if it makes the 5 line i'm gonna stop watching this.
23:30 mircea_popescu SLITGHTLY better.
23:30 mircea_popescu "who plays like this!"
23:30 mircea_popescu "well... nobody, really."
23:31 asciilifeform i am nearly through
23:34 mircea_popescu also interesting how they tuned the depth search. playing very fast early.
23:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00052784 = 29.5854 BTC [-]
23:34 mircea_popescu apparently google thinks early game not so important in go.
23:34 mircea_popescu certainly go with the whole "not really playing, just waiting for human player donations"
23:35 asciilifeform and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera
23:36 mircea_popescu i kinda appreciate the irony of the talk radio derps having chairs but only for display, not to sit in
23:36 asciilifeform and yes it's a flytrap
23:36 deedbot- [Qntra] FBI Agents Investigated For Misconduct In Lavoy Finicum's Murder While Insisting Slaying Was Justified - http://qntra.net/2016/03/fbi-agents-investigated-for-misconduct-in-lavoy-finicums-murder-while-insisting-slaying-was-justified/
23:36 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera << It's a common reflex among people who don't grok how cameras work in relation to their body.
23:36 asciilifeform waits, waits.
23:37 mircea_popescu oh my fucking god.
23:37 mircea_popescu enough of this stupid shit.
23:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform alphago can't play, for srsly.
23:38 * asciilifeform turning in. sznore.
23:40 adlai unfortunately it seems their target audience are those who just channel surfed their way over from tennis
23:42 mircea_popescu why, they added yelps and some young buttocks ?
23:44 adlai it's helpful for people who have never actually played go but the 9p (lighter suit, who does most of the talking) is a little wasted, explaining these most basic things
23:44 adlai "it's really complicated, yeah" instead of ...
23:45 adlai aha. this is the english commentary, and on the other side of the wall is the korean commentary. they probably speak real go terms over there.
23:48 mircea_popescu is michael redmond actually working on the google side ?
23:48 adlai goodnight asciilifeform
23:48 adlai michael redmond is working on the "lee sedol's new haircut" side
23:49 mircea_popescu is there actually any other 9 dan anglo guy ?
23:49 adlai nope
23:50 adlai watts:zen :: redmond:go
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