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00:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050352 = 8.9627 BTC [+] {3}
00:15 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
00:15 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 429.42, vol: 4914.26755883 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.469, vol: 5078.09016 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.49, vol: 12732.93409788 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 424.0, vol: 1.551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.815194, vol: 59881.18140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.58989, vol: 35.5563113 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 424.5065, vol: 38.77286225 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
00:15 BingoBoingo ;;more
00:15 gribble 428.778021823
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00:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00050517 = 6.7693 BTC [+]
00:54 BingoBoingo "You're bleeding too much, I need to cut you" - A Surgeon
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02:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10823 @ 0.00050517 = 5.4675 BTC [+]
02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17977 @ 0.00050528 = 9.0834 BTC [+] {2}
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03:01 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1235/btc-price-to-rise-above-pm-price-of/#b12
03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050558 = 8.4937 BTC [+]
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03:32 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b24
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03:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00050558 = 8.8729 BTC [+]
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04:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0005047 = 4.2647 BTC [-]
04:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0005047 = 2.9525 BTC [-]
04:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00050433 = 4.4633 BTC [-]
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04:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050433 = 4.1355 BTC [-]
05:00 jurov <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
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05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050557 = 6.2691 BTC [+] {2}
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05:43 jurov !up Dava
05:43 jurov hi Dava
05:55 jurov https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined?
05:55 assbot BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`630 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
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06:20 jurov O.o restarted my patched trb after 2 weeks, now it reliably sigsegvs after first few blocks: http://dpaste.com/2C1FAER
06:20 assbot dpaste: 2C1FAER: therealbitcoin sigsegv, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHWNRj )
06:21 jurov will retry with release
06:27 jurov or my datadir got corrupted
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06:51 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair
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06:51 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774
06:54 * adlai finds it asset-backwards to jump headfirst into v.cl before auditing https://github.com/froydnj/diff (and ironclad, but that's a little outside my pay grade)
06:54 assbot froydnj/diff · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQsDcW )
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07:38 shinohai !s https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/
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07:38 assbot Bleichenbacher'06 signature forgery in python-rsa ... ( http://bit.ly/1n3W4hv )
07:38 assbot 0 results for 'https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.filippo.io%2Fbleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa%2F
07:40 adlai PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to a 2 satoshi net fee.
07:40 adlai probability of being chosen for any given tx will be literally unaffected, for 21st century OED values of 'literally'
07:45 * adlai apologises for the channel mixup, tries to port touchscreen breathalyzer to keyboard / brain
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08:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0005046 = 1.7156 BTC [-]
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09:03 punkman http://iconaircraft.com/news/flying-the-icon-a5-in-new-york-city/ neat
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09:03 assbot Flying the ICON A5 in New York City - ICON Aircraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaB5jK )
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09:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.0005046 = 2.4529 BTC [-]
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09:50 BingoBoingo <jurov> https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined? << AHA, ?
09:50 assbot BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`578 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
09:52 BingoBoingo But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
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09:53 punkman so the stuck tx has an invalid input?
09:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10889 @ 0.0005046 = 5.4946 BTC [-]
09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00050476 = 1.2422 BTC [+]
09:55 BingoBoingo it might
09:55 BingoBoingo because the network is full of buttholes
09:55 punkman does that mean the stuck tx was created before the previous tx was mined&confirmed?
09:58 BingoBoingo Not sure, but that comment has me thinking mebbe a wrong input tx id is somehow junking the big tx
09:59 punkman that's what it says
10:01 BingoBoingo It's too early in the morning. I'm confused and clearing out a form of spam.
10:04 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
10:04 gribble Current Blocks: 392019 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
10:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00050345 = 9.5907 BTC [-] {4}
10:17 BingoBoingo On a judge arrested for DWI: "Asked if he had a lawyer, he said, “I do, but he’s not going to talk to you.”" (Lawyer being himself)
10:21 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-36425
10:21 assbot Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSZt7N )
10:24 punkman speaking of bahamas, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-04/the-ghosts-of-baha-mar-how-a-3-5-billion-paradise-went-bust
10:24 assbot The Ghosts of Baha Mar: How a $3.5 Billion Paradise Went Bust - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rs9jUn )
10:36 shinohai !s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new
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10:36 assbot BITBET.US not paying... scam or hack? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT2PaX )
10:37 assbot 0 results for 'https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D1317139.new%3Btopicseen%23new
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5466 @ 0.00050201 = 2.744 BTC [-] {3}
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11834 @ 0.00050133 = 5.9327 BTC [-]
10:44 shinohai !up ascii_butugychag
10:45 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361476 << mega-l0l! how is the use of e==3 a 'vulnerability' other than in the idiot programmer's head ??
10:45 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 12:38:49; shinohai: !s https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/
10:46 ascii_butugychag and naturally we get the usgtronics: 'As usual, the fact that it's possible to implement a dangerous algorithm correctly, doesn't mean it's humanely possible, and safer algorithms (and primitives) must always be preferred. (See also: deterministic ECDSA.)'
10:46 ascii_butugychag 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'
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10:48 ascii_butugychag https://bitbucket.org/sybren/python-rsa/pull-requests/14/security-fix-bb06-attack-in-verify-by/diff << his patch. how would you react to a fella half-heartedly removing a tick from the back of a roadkill deer flattened on a highway ?
10:48 assbot sybren / python-rsa / Pull request #14: [security] Fix BB'06 attack in verify() by switching from parsing to comparison — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT5Xn1 )
10:50 shinohai ^^
10:51 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361462 << nearly.
10:51 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 10:00:07; jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
10:51 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361488 << iirc that was the july 4 phork
10:51 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 14:52:14; BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
10:52 ascii_butugychag it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now
10:53 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361506 << expect more of this crapolade
10:53 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 15:36:58; shinohai: !s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new
10:54 punkman isn't there one of those every time some bitbet tx is delayed
10:54 shinohai I just happened upon it by reading the scam accusations thread for lolz
10:54 shinohai looks like thestringpuller took care of it
10:56 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361472 << l0l quickutil: 'An attempt at a solution to this problem was to create what became the de facto standard library for Common Lisp utilities: Alexandria. While Alexandria contains on the order of 100 high quality, useful utilities, it suffers from a very slow-moving oligarchy. Alexandria's improvement depends on their willingness to cooperate in a timely manner
10:56 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 11:51:42; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair
10:56 ascii_butugychag 'Quickutil is a different approach to utility libraries. Instead of being a single, monolithic library, e.g., Alexandria, it attempts to be a nimble and lean platform for distribution of utilities piecemeal.'
10:57 ascii_butugychag this smells of sulfur.
10:57 ascii_butugychag of the wget -O - http://nsa.gov/fuckme.sh | sudo sh variety.
10:58 ascii_butugychag oligarchy?! wat
11:03 ascii_butugychag in seemingly-unrelated non-nyooz,
11:03 ascii_butugychag 'Most design errors from the earlier editions persist; indeed, some defenders of Mathematica seem to view the inevitable peculiar results of these decisions as correct: they are replacing long-standing problems of mathematics notation or convention with a new understanding. This is an alternative world view in which an answer is said to be correct if it is “generic” and ignores sigularities.
11:03 ascii_butugychag 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
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11:03 ascii_butugychag (fateman, '07, review of 'mathematica', http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/papers/mma6rev.pdf )
11:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT97qN )
11:05 ascii_butugychag if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of a 1890s cable-laying steamer
11:06 ascii_butugychag i can't recall anybody else attempting 'embrace & extinguish' (tm) (r) on... mathematics.
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11:34 BingoBoingo <ascii_butugychag> it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now << July 4th was DER encoding. I don't think that involved low-s. Low-s panic was a bunch of derps malleating to high-s and since power ranger client defaulted to low-s a bunch of services that did the zero-conf thing Gox-paniced, because no one could expect. Power rangers then established malleate to low-s nodes.
11:36 BingoBoingo trb and others pre-power rangers derping on the matter sign whatever s value
11:37 BingoBoingo They were going to do even-s in when they started caring about the matter in 0.9 but then picked low-s for mysteries
11:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12329 @ 0.00050475 = 6.2231 BTC [+] {2}
11:55 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency FOGBANK
11:55 gribble Error: 'FOGBANK' is not a valid currency code.
11:55 BingoBoingo shucks
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12:17 BingoBoingo The random places you find Lennart truth http://www.overclock.net/t/1483429/amd-kabini-owners/20#post_22289112
12:17 assbot AMD Kabini Owners - Page 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RidjIW )
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12:56 thestringpuller https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/ << you sure the miners aren't like blacklisting this transaction?
12:57 BingoBoingo Who knows?
12:59 thestringpuller It's gotta be filtered somewhere. Not showing up on blockr.io
13:01 thestringpuller chainflyer doesn't see it either.
13:02 thestringpuller nvm was resent as that https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd/
13:03 thestringpuller nvm this explorer is confusing
13:10 shinohai https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoinj-developer-andreas-schildbach-i-will-not-invest-my-time-in-lightning-networks-1452005206
13:10 assbot Bitcoin Wallet Developer Andreas Schildbach: I Will Not Invest My Time in Lightning Networks | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNZ9jM )
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13:28 BingoBoingo !up zveda
13:29 zveda ;;ticker
13:29 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.87, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 8134.7448076, 24 hour low: 425.03, 24 hour high: 432.48, 24 hour vwap: None
13:35 phf adlai: "veh" doesn't use diff or ironclad, calls out to external utilities instead. fwiw froyd explicitly disclaimers ironclad use in production anyway..
13:39 phf hah, recent pull requests to ironclad is from this guy https://github.com/glv2 (i.e. https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/pull/62), who has a bunch of peercoin related projects like https://github.com/glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser
13:39 assbot glv2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1X0z )
13:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgO )
13:39 assbot glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgW )
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049982 = 20.1427 BTC [-] {5}
13:52 phf oh, man, another fukamachi project (re quickutil). guy works for a tokyo ad startup, generates massive amounts of web dev style common lisp code. he's behind http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327538
13:52 assbot Logged on 19-11-2015 20:11:46; ben_vulpes: http://wookie.lyonbros.com/
13:52 BingoBoingo !up PeterL
13:53 PeterL Hi, sorta working, just lurking
13:54 BingoBoingo ah
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14:24 deedbot- [Qntra] China Continues Forcing Stockholders To HODL - http://qntra.net/2016/01/china-continues-forcing-stockholders-to-hodl/
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14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00050287 = 10.0574 BTC [+] {2}
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15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9971 @ 0.00049848 = 4.9703 BTC [-] {2}
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15:41 pete_dushenski https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX_T2mOWMAAk_S5.png:large << new one for me.
15:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4H4ww )
15:44 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking.
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15:46 BingoBoingo I dunno, that might work considering the trendy software shit functions as a fiat blowoff valve
15:46 pete_dushenski o really ?
15:47 pete_dushenski the more sensible solution is import more brown dudes, undercutting all the pimply basement dwellers with "ideas" for getting rich
15:47 pete_dushenski pakis can inflate housing markets just as well
15:48 pete_dushenski if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle
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15:49 BingoBoingo But they tend to blow off some value into brown countries which is of undetermined value for fiat system.
15:49 pete_dushenski 18% wu rates is a pretty determined value
15:50 BingoBoingo What now people care about keeping the telegraph company afloat?
15:51 pete_dushenski wu shareholders, sure
15:52 pete_dushenski like retirees who can't say no to that 15 cent dividend
15:55 mats http://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-china-sees-the-risky-path-ahead-taiwan-14739
15:55 assbot How China Sees the Risky Path Ahead With Taiwan | The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6iwCC )
15:58 pete_dushenski wonder how long china will let taiwan make its asics for 'bitfury'
15:59 mats could be 99 years, could be 9
16:00 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ?
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16:00 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 04:45:22; asciilifeform: http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/7/22/762e6fd081dc7c6efc761b767ceb7958-full.jpg << related.
16:01 pete_dushenski mats: until bitbet accepts >1 year off bets, we may never know :P
16:02 pete_dushenski http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about invading Belgium but
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16:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IqHD )
16:02 pete_dushenski so can’t quite keep their women interested. Look in the eyes of that crazy broad and tell me you think that my homebody with the beard there is sleeping alone. Just the body language of the two men indicates who’s going to wind up tapping that ass in the long run."
16:02 pete_dushenski notbad observations via http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3968
16:03 assbot The Sons Rise – Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IwiD )
16:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00049848 = 1.4954 BTC [-]
16:09 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."
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16:09 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 15:35:16; asciilifeform: so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su
16:09 pete_dushenski ^latest data
16:11 pete_dushenski "When asked why the corrections budget hasn’t decreased, California officials often point to a court order to improve inmate medical care. In 2013, responding to the mandate, the state opened a new medical facility in Stockton, called the California Healthcare Facility, designed for inmates needing long-term inpatient medical care and intensive mental health services. The facility costs approximately $295 million a
16:11 pete_dushenski y. The state has also faced increased costs for prescription medications, including $60.6 million this year for new Hepatitis C treatments." << need moar hyooman ritez!!
16:17 pete_dushenski !up ascii_butugychag
16:17 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361593 << 'everything has a good side. and a bad one'
16:17 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:00:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ?
16:18 jurov sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
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16:18 jurov The refresh process has begun. We’ll let you know when it’s complete.
16:18 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361602 << understand that this means that it costs about the SAME in actual money
16:18 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:09:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."
16:19 thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: is this transaction in zulag? << https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/
16:19 ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: i do not know, ask it ?
16:20 ascii_butugychag (you can do this as easily as i)
16:20 thestringpuller Do i need a fully updated blockchain to pull mempool?
16:20 ascii_butugychag on trb - yes!
16:21 ascii_butugychag for (imho) obvious reasons
16:21 pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: aha (translation). and aha again (realbux).
16:21 thestringpuller Then you can do it more easily than I :P
16:21 ascii_butugychag this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx
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16:22 jurov if you click on the blockcypher on the (out...) under "input consumed", you'll end up here:
16:22 jurov https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7
16:22 assbot BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH )
16:22 jurov which says this tx has been doublespent
16:23 BingoBoingo So did Bitbet get tricked by a double spend?
16:23 jurov only if the other one is different
16:24 jurov if it was merely malleated, then mp just needs to spend the mined one instead
16:24 thestringpuller jurov: ah i thought that was just a glitch.
16:25 thestringpuller cause this guy popped up when it said that >> https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd
16:27 jurov if i'm correct, then why mircea_popescu was spending so very fresh coins?
16:28 jurov if he was spending some old mined output this could not have happened
16:31 jurov especially in case of bitbet such churn is not necessary
16:35 ascii_butugychag if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable
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16:36 jurov also, it's interesting that noone voiced on #b-a happens to be around to analyze this situation better
16:37 jurov btw, there is "api call" link on blockcypher, so you can get detailed info from there, too
16:37 jurov including the tx itself
16:39 thestringpuller jurov: if you try to push it to blockr.io it says "Inputs have double spends"
16:41 ascii_butugychag ;;later tell ben_vulpes ever work with ACL2 Theorem Prover ?
16:41 jurov thestringpuller: yes. now go compare ebc5d7688364 with 09e82c06cc to determine if it's merely malleated
16:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:41 ascii_butugychag or adlai, anybody ^
16:41 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: that's an improvement from blockr because they were claiming to not recognise the transaction at all yesterday
16:41 jurov or someone truly pulled the rug from under mp
16:43 ascii_butugychag meta-nsa demo!1111
16:44 pete_dushenski "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?
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16:47 thestringpuller blockcypher is relaying it, but likely the miners are seeing the tx as invalid for one of the two reasons jurov stated
16:47 thestringpuller i'll check it out in a second (don't have a full node at disposal atm)
16:47 jurov it is definitely not relaying it if it considers the input invalid
16:48 shinohai !up ascii_butugychag
16:48 thestringpuller jurov: well from the explorers standpoint blockcypher doesn't care is just saying "this tx is borked look at these double spent-like errors" and then the story continues
16:48 thestringpuller when you push to blockr.io it detects a bad input and says "I won't relay this"
16:49 jurov relaying and showing to the web user are two different things
16:50 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361647 << apparently not enough idiots could be found to buy the $800-pNohe straight up without telco subsidy OR take the eternal rent
16:50 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:44:59; pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?
16:50 jurov and i can understand the blockexplorers don't want to fill their database with invalid txen
16:50 jurov !up mircea_popescu
16:51 thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: i imagine you don't own a "smart-phone"
16:52 mircea_popescu hhhola
16:52 ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: what made you imagine this ?
16:52 jurov hi. dirigible moored without incident?
16:52 thestringpuller cause its a tracker in your pocket and I see you being a private man.
16:52 ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: i own an example of just about every kind of toy
16:52 thestringpuller ah but do you use said toy?
16:53 ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: l0l tracker. as if everybody did not already know where i were going to and from.
16:54 mircea_popescu jurov eh these derps, still figuring out electricity.
16:54 thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: http://i.imgur.com/VdW0b.gif << is this your life
16:54 * mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around.
16:54 mircea_popescu sorta made me think if simpson's sperms.
16:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00050106 = 3.5861 BTC [+] {2}
16:55 pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is a reality
16:55 ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: approximately
16:55 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: only problem is after 3 generations they force the phone to become obsolete.
16:56 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: consumers are wisening up to even this. many not upgrading os despite 'sekkoority' concerns. or switch to chinese-android (yes, i've seen this happen)
16:57 ascii_butugychag l0l turdroid bloatware crud
16:57 pete_dushenski girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing
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16:57 * pete_dushenski has seen with own eyes
16:58 mircea_popescu what suv does 500/mo get you ? honda ?
16:59 jurov Shenzhen Scooby Communication Corp. is teh kul!
16:59 pete_dushenski vw tiguan - small 'crossover' - like golf on stilts
16:59 mircea_popescu haha!
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4516 @ 0.00049848 = 2.2511 BTC [-]
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21884 @ 0.00049762 = 10.8899 BTC [-]
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17:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00049762 = 6.7925 BTC [-] {2}
17:24 pete_dushenski " TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution. Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action with NAFTA authorities saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and u
17:24 pete_dushenski fied."" << mkay gl with this one
17:26 mircea_popescu heh lost connection.
17:26 mircea_popescu anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna!
17:27 ascii_butugychag chainsaw?!
17:28 jurov kakobrekla: assbot ip leaks
17:28 kakobrekla jurov cloak does not really hide your ip either so its irrelevant
17:28 kakobrekla mircea_popescu i suspect bb payouts were made with malleabled confirmed inputs and will never be mined for that that reason
17:28 jurov lol digitalocean?
17:28 pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: http://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/
17:28 assbot Husqvarna Motorcycles - Pioneering since 1903 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK8XJo )
17:34 BingoBoingo I thought Husqvarna was the chainsaw and undersized tractor company
17:34 jurov BingoBoingo: they make plenty of other stuff, even sewing machines
17:35 BingoBoingo ic
17:35 jurov my mom had one, we joked about it often
17:36 BingoBoingo I had no idea they were so diversified
17:37 jurov pity they don't make guns (but who knows)
17:38 ascii_butugychag iirc they do
17:38 ascii_butugychag incl. artillery pieces
17:38 BingoBoingo Round these part's they are known as the people who make orange stuff for rural folk
17:39 pete_dushenski not to be with rural folk ktm kit
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00049762 = 2.0074 BTC [-]
17:45 pete_dushenski not to be *confused* (ironically)
17:49 BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet
17:49 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (1025 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC)
17:51 phf they seemed to have made a bunch of very nice bolt actions including an m38 version
17:54 phf http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=535214758 for all your shtf needs
17:54 assbot Husqvarna 30-06 with Scope : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rj8fUG )
18:08 pete_dushenski http://dimsums.blogspot.ca/2015/12/china-pushes-reform-puzzles-over-grain.html << one for the sino-agricultural enthusiasts
18:08 assbot Dim Sums: Rural China Economics and Policy: China Pushes Reform, Puzzles Over Grain Glut ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rja4ky )
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18:25 pete_dushenski http://epapers.bham.ac.uk/2100/1/cepler_working_paper_13_2015.pdf << hehe. little bro taking the crown in essay competition re : brexit.
18:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPd9St )
18:26 pete_dushenski i wonder where he got the idea to use footnotes from...
18:27 * pete_dushenski did not write this paper for him, takes no credit
18:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently they also make motorcycles.
18:32 mircea_popescu but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?!
18:32 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i guess bitcoin has a problem then.
18:32 kakobrekla trying to resend n times wont fix it.
18:32 * pete_dushenski thought world was supposed to adapt to bitcoin, not vice versa
18:33 kakobrekla not in current implementation.
18:33 kakobrekla you want to adapt a pile of cpp crud ?
18:33 mircea_popescu kakobrekla actually, your theory is incorrect.
18:33 mircea_popescu the txn aren't chained. i don't do that.
18:34 mircea_popescu all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn
18:34 kakobrekla you dont use coin control
18:36 mircea_popescu wut ?
18:36 jurov mircea_popescu: you spent freshly created output that was not yet mined
18:37 mircea_popescu jurov no ?
18:37 jurov yes?
18:38 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd << as you can see the input is mined
18:38 assbot Bitcoin Transaction 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPeA3o )
18:38 mircea_popescu if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9
18:38 mircea_popescu are we ?
18:39 jurov but it was mined just yesterday
18:39 mircea_popescu so ?
18:39 mircea_popescu Confirmations428 Confirmations
18:39 jurov but you did not use it
18:39 mircea_popescu that'd be about 3 days.
18:40 jurov you used ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 as input instead
18:40 mircea_popescu yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
18:40 jurov https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7
18:40 assbot BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH )
18:41 mircea_popescu look : there's)
18:41 mircea_popescu (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around
18:41 mircea_popescu seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant
18:41 jurov how comes then, the only blockexplorer that shows the txt, says it's spending invalid output?
18:42 mircea_popescu i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
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18:42 kakobrekla im saying what jurov is saying and it would explain pretty much whole behavior
18:42 mircea_popescu beyond this... what am i to do ?
18:43 mircea_popescu if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane.
18:43 jurov refresh the wallet, resend
18:43 mircea_popescu because...
18:43 kakobrekla i fell in the same tarpit with not too long ago.
18:43 mircea_popescu seems bitcoin needs to be fixed.
18:43 kakobrekla by accident.
18:44 kakobrekla it was clear for a long time its broked.
18:44 jurov because you used not yet confirmed coins and someone malleated their transaction
18:44 kakobrekla ^^
18:44 mircea_popescu jurov the coins i used were confirmed.
18:44 jurov when you issued the tx?
18:44 mircea_popescu again : 428 Confirmations, aboutg 3 days old.
18:44 mircea_popescu yes, when i issued the tx.
18:44 mircea_popescu but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe.
18:44 mircea_popescu now*
18:45 kakobrekla the wallet keeps broken tx (a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever.
18:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049439 = 12.4092 BTC [-] {2}
18:46 mircea_popescu kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid.
18:46 mircea_popescu as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL.
18:46 mircea_popescu and in any case that MUST be all.
18:46 kakobrekla yes it will try to use the outputs of that broken tx
18:46 mircea_popescu "output" means address.
18:47 mircea_popescu "malleation" can not change address.
18:47 mircea_popescu in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead.
18:48 kakobrekla the client will use you change address funds which will never get confirmed.
18:48 mircea_popescu huh ?
18:50 mircea_popescu in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks.
18:51 punkman so you used a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what?
18:52 mircea_popescu that what ?
18:53 mircea_popescu no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something.
18:54 kakobrekla you make a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically.
18:55 mircea_popescu T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included.
18:55 mircea_popescu there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period.
18:56 kakobrekla T is relevant because unconfirmed coins on the change address are ok to be sent.
18:56 kakobrekla even if they arent there any more.
18:56 mircea_popescu then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9"
18:56 mircea_popescu unless you can say that you've nothing to say.
18:57 mircea_popescu a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
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18:58 kakobrekla yes but perhaps the client selected T2 in the next transaction you made and T1 in the transaction after that.
18:58 kakobrekla and i mean the change addresses
18:58 punkman inputs reference txids not adresses, do they not?
18:58 mircea_popescu this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions.
18:59 kakobrekla CHANGE ADDRESS
18:59 mircea_popescu inputs reference addresses.
18:59 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i dun get it ?
18:59 kakobrekla ferfuxake
18:59 mircea_popescu explain like i'm five omaigerd!
18:59 jurov no, addresses are irrelevant
18:59 mircea_popescu wut ?
19:00 * pete_dushenski just choked on popcorn
19:00 danielpbarron a transaction must refer to specific other transactions, or is a miner supposed to decide which coin days to destroy?
19:00 jurov input is a reference to an output from a previous transaction. output is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
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19:01 mircea_popescu motherfucker what ?!
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19:01 punkman lol
19:02 pete_dushenski also, "mircea_popescu: Fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn’t be in a situation where input and output means the same thing."
19:02 mircea_popescu doh.
19:02 pete_dushenski obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/
19:02 assbot Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPhC7D )
19:02 mircea_popescu input is... what ?!
19:02 mircea_popescu i'm fucking queasy.
19:04 jurov i messed that up as usual... so adgain: input is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
19:04 pete_dushenski speaking of nothing, are s.nsa and s.mg statements en route ?
19:04 mircea_popescu oh god damned. WHO THE FUCK DID THIS!
19:05 mircea_popescu what the fuck sort of braindamaged zombie idiot designs things like this ;/
19:05 punkman and output is value + scriptpubkey
19:06 mircea_popescu i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/
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19:06 kakobrekla if it werent so you could just phuck a txid and respend the address multiple time given it has balance
19:06 mircea_popescu here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin.
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19:06 mircea_popescu kakobrekla and one would be mined and that'd be that.
19:06 mircea_popescu and it'd be right an' proper.
19:07 mircea_popescu this arrangement reminds me of mr bean's car door latch.
19:07 kakobrekla no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29956 @ 0.00049551 = 14.8435 BTC [+] {3}
19:07 pete_dushenski mr. bean had 3-wheeled 'reliant robin' iirc
19:07 mircea_popescu http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/attachments/technical-zone/97708d1373536167-unlocking-your-car-emergency-mrbean.jpg
19:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPimtn )
19:07 kakobrekla anyway i have a headache and im hungry so bbl.
19:07 mircea_popescu nah, he drove a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn
19:08 pete_dushenski or right, austin mini
19:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22210 @ 0.0005022 = 11.1539 BTC [+] {2}
19:08 mircea_popescu thanks for teh effort kakobrekla jurov.
19:08 mircea_popescu ima have the thing rescanned and resent. but god damned this has to be fixed omfg.
19:08 kakobrekla rescan did not help me
19:08 mircea_popescu what did you do ?
19:09 kakobrekla phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan
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19:09 mircea_popescu soooo....
19:09 kakobrekla used a backup
19:09 mircea_popescu hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
19:09 pete_dushenski reliant robin is an excellent example of bitcoin as it works today : looks to have the right parts but has them in the wrong order and as a result it doesn't quite work as intended. compare this with the morgan 3-wheeler, which is perhaps where trb is headed, which has the same parts, but not welded together by apes.
19:10 punkman electrum or other wallet should also work
19:10 kakobrekla yes you need to remove bad txes from wallet.dat by removing them with some wallet inspector tool or use a backup from before bad txes came in
19:10 kakobrekla that was what i observed
19:10 mircea_popescu yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level.
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19:10 mircea_popescu any other ideas while i'm throwing away money ?
19:10 punkman do it by hand
19:10 * pete_dushenski feels fortunate to not be in physical proximity to mp rage atm.
19:12 kakobrekla btw at some point 'zapwallettxes' was added to bitcoind
19:12 kakobrekla i have not tested it yet but this is suppose to fix that
19:12 mircea_popescu kakobrekla fancy, "use a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ?
19:13 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb.
19:13 kakobrekla if you have the addresses you will get the txes
19:14 kakobrekla in the wallet
19:14 mircea_popescu so ?
19:14 kakobrekla > unconfirmed transactions relating to your own wallet addresses are stored not only in the memory pool, but in wallet.dat, so a restart won't clear them. To accomplish that, you can start bitcoind with the recently added -zapwallettxes option. This will cause bitcoind to forget all transactions associated to your addresses, and rescan the block chain to reconstruct them. In particular, any unconfirmed transactions will be forgotten and
19:14 kakobrekla not reconstructed.
19:14 kakobrekla re that zapwallet
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19:15 kakobrekla mircea_popescu as long as the backup contains all the used change addresses you are ok
19:15 mircea_popescu gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
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19:16 kakobrekla yeah that prolly.
19:16 mircea_popescu we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit.
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19:16 mircea_popescu well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have a circumvention in place before the year is out".
19:17 pete_dushenski and the crowds go wild
19:17 shinohai \o/
19:20 mircea_popescu fucking bs.
19:25 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc.
19:26 mircea_popescu this is the correct format for a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed."
19:26 kakobrekla you can have multiple unspent outputs on an address, say 3x 1btc
19:27 kakobrekla sign to move 1 btc from that address to another
19:27 kakobrekla phuck tx and respend.
19:33 kakobrekla also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later.
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19:34 kakobrekla "send their total contents as follows" now i noted the 'total' - then you must never reuse an address.
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19:40 asciilifeform ohforfuxxxxsake
19:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361752 << paging jwz !
19:41 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 23:42:35; mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
19:42 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu - or anybody else - wants ~provably working~ bitcoin - he would have to...
19:42 asciilifeform ....
19:42 asciilifeform pay for it to happen.
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19:45 asciilifeform alternatively wait 10,000 years for a hero to be born who doesn't need to eat or sleep
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00049275 = 31.536 BTC [-] {4}
19:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361792 << this is only true if you have a correctly-implemented bitcoinatron
19:47 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 23:57:31; mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
19:47 asciilifeform which NOBODY (publicly) does
19:47 asciilifeform and apparently not mircea_popescu either
19:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361820 << srsly ?
19:48 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:03; mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/
19:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361822 << lulzily i just put in a long hard day laying the foundations of a provably-correct $boringwidget for $censoredrichfolks
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19:50 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:18; mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin.
19:52 asciilifeform but srsly, to 'fix' this, it is actually necessary to burn down the whole tard edifice
19:52 asciilifeform and rewrite with sanity
19:55 asciilifeform and for all i know, some not-especially-talkative fella, perhaps even in the same shop where i work, is doing this
19:55 asciilifeform for satan.
19:56 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361839 << this is correct
19:56 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:09:03; kakobrekla: phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan
19:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361847 << 10's of k of what ??
19:57 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:10:34; mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level.
19:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu seriously thinks that he can get a monkey to correctly re-engineer the entire orchestra ?
19:59 asciilifeform i know more or less nothing about mircea_popescucoin, but from what i recall, the item he has now is the result of having attempted this very 'c0d3rz are fungible and 10s of k usd actually buys something' thing in the past, and ended up with... this
20:00 asciilifeform !up Leviathn
20:01 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely
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20:01 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:16:10; mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit.
20:02 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361862 << next thing after this is you build an oar-powered passenger plane
20:02 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:15:36; mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc.
20:03 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, the only thing an address can do is send its whole contents.
20:04 kakobrekla not at the moment.
20:04 mircea_popescu yeah well.
20:04 mircea_popescu protocol suffers from the same pass-by-reference issues the codebase suffers from.
20:05 asciilifeform thing is, answering the question of 'what balance has address A at time t' is an O(N) operation on the whole motherfucking blockchain
20:05 asciilifeform and much of the gnarl in this thread stems from attempts to somehow work around this fact
20:05 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski re the missing reports : i do intend to publish them asap. been delayed by an assortment of issues such as argentinian power, bitbet adventures etc. they'll get there.
20:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep a table.
20:06 mircea_popescu fundamental problem here is that bitcoin started life trying to be "gold for the poor".
20:06 mircea_popescu you gotta choose. either for the poor and then shit, or else gold but not for the poor.
20:07 asciilifeform i'm not convinced that rich people actually exist yet
20:07 mircea_popescu i am however convinced tghat i have no use for shit.
20:07 asciilifeform (or, any more)
20:07 mircea_popescu but in lighter news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okcupid-rating-works.png
20:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONLIyx )
20:08 asciilifeform l0l!!
20:08 mircea_popescu if i were anyone else other than me i'd have a head the size of kamcheatka by now.
20:09 mircea_popescu this is like the 20th dude.
20:09 asciilifeform how many dude A vs dude B ?
20:10 jurov mircea_popescu: to get rid of blockchain and address problems, and have richcoin, just use csv file with noodles of gpg signatures
20:10 mircea_popescu oh i stop counting the A's. 1-200 ?
20:10 asciilifeform jurov: already baked. it's called hawala
20:10 mircea_popescu jurov dun hate on me just because i'm an asshole!
20:10 jurov lolk
20:10 mircea_popescu the point fucking stands : the only correct solution to the problem is have nodes keep a table of balances.
20:11 mircea_popescu annoying problems don't go away just because we don't want to have them.
20:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's still O(N)
20:12 asciilifeform calculating the ~actual answer~, that is
20:12 mircea_popescu no because you just update it
20:12 asciilifeform you can try to cheat, eys
20:12 asciilifeform yes
20:12 jurov asciilifeform: mirca just decreed nobody will ever need more than N addresses
20:12 mircea_popescu rebuild table on "resync"
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is like saying that all problems are O(1) - true! if you already know the answer!
20:12 mircea_popescu jurov what "body" "needs" ain't got the substance of ghost spit yo!
20:12 mircea_popescu this is all THAT CAN BE HAD
20:12 jurov perhaps N=640k , even :D
20:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thing is that you also have to 'rebuild table' when various other things happen - orphaned chains (phorkletz!), the idiot malleation thing, and possibly other
20:14 asciilifeform and EACH rebuild is O(N)
20:14 mircea_popescu ;/
20:14 asciilifeform where N is however long it's been between the two doubted points
20:15 mircea_popescu you're telling me the apple's up in the tree as if i was the one that put it there.
20:15 mircea_popescu it's where it is! what am i to do ?
20:15 asciilifeform depends on how badly mircea_popescu needs to take the apple in
20:15 asciilifeform doesnit.
20:15 mircea_popescu all i'm sayin' is that the current "better" solution to that problem is a) worse and b) unspecifiedly so.
20:16 asciilifeform even knowing how allergic mircea_popescu is to 'meta' and 'must X before Y', i will still say that items such as this remain because we do not have a clean operating room
20:17 asciilifeform that is, 'codebase' that doesn't immediately frighten away everbody halfway sane
20:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54445 @ 0.00050305 = 27.3886 BTC [+] {2}
20:17 asciilifeform *everybody
20:17 mircea_popescu no, i am in full agreement. it's not fixable for a while yet.
20:18 asciilifeform i am in the process of working this transmogrification for pgp, a CONSIDERABLY simpler animal, and am astonished every day
20:18 mircea_popescu but i think merely the point that it's broken is worth stating. because apparently the people that understand it's broken didn't know it worked like this (me) and the people that knew how it worked... well... got seduced.
20:18 asciilifeform seduced ?
20:19 mircea_popescu "it's fine, it works like this"
20:19 asciilifeform ahh
20:19 asciilifeform the important thing imho is to distinguish 'broken' (if only this!) from the actuality - ~~misengineered~~
20:19 mircea_popescu it's misdesigned.
20:19 asciilifeform aha
20:20 mircea_popescu if we admit this was deliberate rather than "oh look what i can do! &^*p!"
20:20 asciilifeform malleation doesn't happen via cosmic rayz, no.
20:21 asciilifeform nor was the original 'feature' emplaced thereby.
20:21 mircea_popescu incidentally, speaking of this : are you aware, for a chuckle, that leveldb "replaced" bdb in bitcoin in the sense that... not. because bdb is still linked because used for wallet.
20:22 mircea_popescu so... "let's keep all the holes we had and add a whole new layer!"
20:22 asciilifeform aha
20:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361206 << you can'[t simultaenously hold this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361174
20:22 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 00:45:07; asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win'
20:22 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 00:31:31; asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head
20:22 mircea_popescu they are mutually contradictory.
20:23 asciilifeform how's that ?
20:23 asciilifeform seems like they go happily together
20:23 mircea_popescu either they care or they don't.
20:23 mircea_popescu if they don't care then not shooting anyone. if shooting anyone, then yes they care.
20:23 asciilifeform the elected buggers don't rule.
20:23 asciilifeform and know better than to try.
20:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798881 << see also.
20:24 assbot Logged on 16-08-2014 21:39:02; asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
20:24 asciilifeform and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778095
20:24 assbot Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
20:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361228 << lol someone is airlifting whores INTO teh ukraine ?
20:24 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 00:55:42; asciilifeform: wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev
20:25 asciilifeform cia is an equal-opportunity employer! (tm) (r)
20:25 mircea_popescu last i visited kharkov, nice student chicks sat topless in the windows of the "student campus" buildings, 20 dollars.
20:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "deprives the most significant investors in companies their ability"
20:29 mircea_popescu missing of.
20:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00050306 = 3.1693 BTC [+]
20:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361270 << chix, not so much.
20:35 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 01:26:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks...
20:35 asciilifeform > 0
20:35 mircea_popescu i guess.
20:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361278 << omg b-a skeptic!
20:36 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 01:42:46; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here.
20:36 asciilifeform fwiw since i banned aws i get steady round-the-clock connections from cn. but i have no particular reason to think that they represent miners.
20:37 BingoBoingo ty fxd
20:37 asciilifeform (on all 3 trb nodes under my flag)
20:38 BingoBoingo Also checking the spam que, fucking NBA and Lebron James are spamming SEO to their actual domains
20:38 asciilifeform l0l those are spam keywordz!
20:38 asciilifeform just me seeing those strings on my screen is a bug.
20:38 mircea_popescu " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes.
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20:39 mircea_popescu google is much more successful than ms ever was at "shit on open source".
20:39 * asciilifeform revved up a lispatron this week and noticed what phf was speaking of
20:39 mircea_popescu and since they own 1/13 or so of the fed printing press, they can keep "paying them" to do it.
20:39 asciilifeform aha.
20:40 asciilifeform microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk
20:40 mircea_popescu yea
20:40 * asciilifeform for the lulz, actually went and installed visualstudio-for-linux! it builds strictly c#
20:40 asciilifeform and is a smoking pile of rubbish
20:40 asciilifeform mega-unsurprise.
20:40 mircea_popescu how can it "strictly" ?
20:41 asciilifeform no c compiler in there
20:41 mircea_popescu so how is it for linux ?
20:41 mircea_popescu do they have a C# linux ?
20:41 asciilifeform they built it for linux
20:41 asciilifeform with what they bootstrapped the build, i do not know
20:41 mircea_popescu i do not understand.
20:41 asciilifeform well they have a 'dotnet' runtime for lin
20:42 mircea_popescu what linux ?
20:42 asciilifeform which was bootstrapped, presumably, in c/asm
20:42 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile
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20:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it started up on a sacrificial gentoo box without complaint
20:42 mircea_popescu but that box included c compiler no ?
20:43 asciilifeform whatever they built it on, most certainly (unless it was hand-carved in asm)
20:43 asciilifeform but the turd ~itself~ will not compile c/cpp.
20:43 mircea_popescu oh, wait. it's a large binary turd that somehow runs as a binary turd on your gentoo ?
20:43 asciilifeform aha.
20:43 mircea_popescu i see.
20:43 asciilifeform believe or not.
20:43 mircea_popescu this is so dumb it takes three passes to take in
20:43 asciilifeform this is not an impossible feat.
20:44 asciilifeform (there is, e.g., 'steam', for linux, iirc)
20:44 asciilifeform and for that matter, trb.
20:44 mircea_popescu heh. myeah.
20:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361373 << lol ok.
20:45 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 03:36:41; dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money
20:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362026 << BingoBoingo, the name itself is spam
20:48 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 01:42:13; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile
20:48 asciilifeform at least from my pov
20:48 BingoBoingo Das Racis
20:48 BingoBoingo Perfect name for a boat
20:48 asciilifeform just like i will quite likely never, under any conceivable turn of events, give half a fuck about 'louis vuitton'
20:48 asciilifeform as far as i'm concerned, that string is an instant classifier for spammitude
20:49 asciilifeform in fact, for many years i had no idea what it referred to outside of spam.
20:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361397 <<=-=>> http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/
20:49 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 03:43:44; dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns?
20:49 assbot Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLchSi )
20:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform u a mysogenist bro ?
20:50 asciilifeform the intersection of females i give half a phuq about and the set that have any truck with l v is null
20:50 asciilifeform afaik.
20:50 asciilifeform ditto lewhateverthefuckon
20:50 asciilifeform bron.
20:50 mircea_popescu but do you fuck sluts ?
20:50 asciilifeform not presently
20:51 asciilifeform but if i took it up, would i need to study spam purses ?
20:51 mircea_popescu prolly.
20:52 asciilifeform i don't hunt polar bears, either. and yes, i know that it is possible, provided that one rearranges his life in particular ways
20:52 asciilifeform in which i'd rather not rearrange
20:52 asciilifeform 'no phree lunch'
20:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu fucks 10 new sluts daily but pays for this by having to think about louis vuitton
20:52 asciilifeform and possibly even lebron.
20:52 mircea_popescu tell you what, basescu's (ro president for many years) gal (elena udrea) spent half her time on this shit.
20:53 mircea_popescu and she was rather competent otherwise.
20:53 asciilifeform i was thinking of emelda marques
20:53 mircea_popescu not quite the same. this woman actually was useful.
20:53 asciilifeform hm.
20:54 mircea_popescu and recall the old thread re spending moneyz ?
20:54 asciilifeform aha
20:54 mircea_popescu to sum it up, not everyone in the wow's playing a warlock.
20:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639
20:54 assbot Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
20:54 asciilifeform and yes.
20:55 mircea_popescu that said, i'm null for pouches. and "i know shoes" but not in the sense chicks usually mean.
20:58 asciilifeform relative of mine once took - very worn - pair of american shit-shoes to an old ru emigre shoemaker, asked 'what he could do.' the wizened master replied: 'i can throw these out for you'
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21:03 mircea_popescu kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed.
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21:03 mircea_popescu thestringpuller / shinohai / whoever has a tardstalk acct, plox let 'em know too kthx.
21:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361515 << aka "i'm a 100% remora working at attaching myself to the republic on behalf of the empire".
21:06 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 15:46:58; ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'
21:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever wonder, how come these folks never turn ?
21:07 asciilifeform why never 'i am filippo remora and i am tired of this shit, here is a copy of my marching orders and quarterlies for past 5 yrs'
21:07 mircea_popescu do you ever wonder why ambitious but lazy, fat but stupid "feminists" "genderqueer" blabla never win miss america ?
21:07 mircea_popescu for one thing, they're too old. for the other... wut ?
21:08 mircea_popescu you clearly have never run a shitshop.
21:08 asciilifeform too old?!
21:08 mircea_popescu who the fuck do you think gives the scum "orders" ?
21:08 asciilifeform hitler?
21:08 mircea_popescu you think the verbose explanation provided by the evil guy in b movies is irl ?
21:08 asciilifeform nah
21:09 asciilifeform but if the snowden2 slides are genuine, we know approx what it looks like.
21:09 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361860 << I couldn't get this pheature working in 0.7.x using 0.9 series code, ended up just making 0.7-ish low-s sign because malleation is annoying
21:09 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:14:58; kakobrekla: re that zapwallet
21:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at any rate, the scum are not undirected, they have objectives
21:10 asciilifeform granted, sometimes they are directed in the same sense as a pirannha pit
21:10 asciilifeform (e.g., the 'aggressive queer-gendered' google folks, they are picked for being militant tards and given free rein)
21:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361537 << very typical wwweb-ism, this. "wikipedia is correct because that's what we've read on wikipedia".
21:10 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 16:03:37; ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
21:11 asciilifeform hey goes back to at least aristotle
21:11 mircea_popescu aha
21:13 asciilifeform google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
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21:13 asciilifeform though possibly today they take a shorter-leash approach, i have nfi.
21:13 mircea_popescu so what are they going to "publish" ?
21:14 * BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain
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21:14 asciilifeform them - nothing
21:14 mircea_popescu that "mp is mean" ? we know. that "being sensitive is nice and vice-versa" ? we also know.
21:14 mircea_popescu they got nuttin.
21:14 asciilifeform but occasionally a real person gets recruited into muppet corps by mistake ?
21:14 shinohai mircea_popescu: done https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13470841#msg13470841 re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362080
21:14 assbot BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLdM2N )
21:14 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed.
21:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ocasionally an elephant takes flight with a flock of passing geese
21:14 mircea_popescu by mistake.
21:14 asciilifeform not quite same
21:14 mircea_popescu ty shinohai
21:15 mircea_popescu from where i sit it seems da same.
21:15 shinohai np.
21:15 asciilifeform pretty much EVERY thinking fella working for a living in usaschwitz is doing SOMETHING usgtronic.
21:15 asciilifeform even if indirectly.
21:15 asciilifeform just like in su.
21:15 mircea_popescu so ?
21:16 mircea_popescu every elephant lives under where birds fly. yes.
21:16 asciilifeform i mean, occasionally http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351867
21:16 assbot Logged on 24-12-2015 16:03:08; asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.'
21:17 asciilifeform or rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351853
21:17 assbot Logged on 24-12-2015 15:46:13; asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60)
21:17 asciilifeform once in a while - the elephant lights rocket in his arse and yes, flies.
21:17 asciilifeform with the motherfucmking eagles.
21:17 asciilifeform at least - temporarily.
21:19 asciilifeform better example of 'real person serving as muppet flees and tells interesting things' is rezun
21:19 asciilifeform in fact, a great many of the su defectors
21:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361578 << yeah, not bad on paper, like every other solution to the prisoner's dilemma.
21:20 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 20:44:23; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking.
21:20 asciilifeform hey let's boycott food and shelter !
21:20 asciilifeform that'll do it.
21:20 asciilifeform that way we can get commyooonizm in 1980!
21:20 asciilifeform or sumthing.
21:21 mircea_popescu would bring rents down...
21:21 asciilifeform surely!
21:22 asciilifeform incidentally this is not any more OR less ridiculous than 'go shoot a cop'
21:22 asciilifeform same 'just fuckin do it!111' non-solution to prisoner's dilemma.
21:26 mircea_popescu aha. i didn't say it was ridiculous, either.
21:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361583 << much better. recall my "send your teen to live in africa for a year, take african teen in for a year" ?
21:27 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 20:48:23; pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle
21:28 mircea_popescu the experience'd benefit western idjit kids immensely.
21:28 mircea_popescu straightn out basic things such as "am i overweight" "what is rape" etc.
21:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361596 << there's nothing nice about them and they aren't men.
21:30 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:02:34; pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about inva
21:30 mircea_popescu infantilized drone barely capable to serve as a man's prince albert.
21:31 asciilifeform what, even the muscular fella in the centre ?
21:32 mircea_popescu that guy is from lebanon.
21:32 mircea_popescu the german kid is on the left.
21:32 asciilifeform ah!
21:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361610 << someone somewhere ok'd this.
21:32 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:18:47; jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
21:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform basically, 10 yos didn't have a daddy, will get a daddy when they're 20. for them and the wife.
21:32 asciilifeform l0l what wife.
21:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361622 << word.
21:33 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:21:57; ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx
21:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the woman that is there to dock his paychecks later on.
21:33 asciilifeform owner.
21:33 mircea_popescu very easy for western muppet to get married. ask ukr chick.
21:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361635 << it's a mix.
21:34 assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:35:48; ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable
21:34 mircea_popescu for that reason.
21:35 asciilifeform yeah but is the manual component any kind of barrier against it presently.
21:35 asciilifeform (does somebody actually walk the wallet by hand? apparently not!)
21:37 mircea_popescu it's complicated.
21:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361881 << holding a billion dollars worth of funbux IS PAYING !111!1
21:38 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:42:19; asciilifeform: pay for it to happen.
21:38 mircea_popescu this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares.
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21:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361874 << yeah i intend to.
21:39 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:33:00; kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later.
21:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under.
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21:40 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 01:01:34; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely
21:42 mircea_popescu anyway, re german penis ornaments : in fairness merely a coupla centuries ago their grandfathers went to congo or wherever and used the local boys in exactly the same manner, and for exactly the same reason.
21:42 mircea_popescu nature's the ultimate fairness.
21:44 mircea_popescu http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault-steal-one-german-train-station-new-years-eve/ << lulzy.
21:44 assbot REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At ONE German Train Station On New Year's Eve ... ( http://bit.ly/1mHybvR )
21:44 mircea_popescu germany had it's own rotherham.
21:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00049879 = 26.6853 BTC [-] {4}
21:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362177 << wai wut ?!
21:45 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 02:40:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under.
21:46 mircea_popescu anyway, jack baruth dude's puttign way too much pressure on the kid.
21:46 mircea_popescu manhood is all about lazy.
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a large pile of transactions bitbet is making, which are the topic of that conversation.
21:46 asciilifeform ah them
21:47 asciilifeform i misread as mircea_popescu having paid somebody 1kbtc to work on mircea_popescucoin.
21:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362174 << i can print and 'hodl' ten quintillion shares in an imaginary interstellar shipping company, does not bring ftl flight any closer
21:48 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 02:38:57; mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares.
21:48 mircea_popescu but if you print them and i hodl them, i will be correct in saying that i invested their value in ftl flight.
21:48 mircea_popescu poor investment as that may be.
21:49 asciilifeform if you paid something for them - yes
21:49 asciilifeform then, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, you invested whatever it was that you paid.
21:50 mircea_popescu mno. that pov is "pot-investment". ie, since i put 5 dollars in the pot, i own 5 dollars in the pot.
21:50 mircea_popescu the value is whatever you could get for them.
21:51 * asciilifeform is 'poorfag' and reasons in such terms, yes
21:51 mircea_popescu which is why whether i bought a bitcoin for a dollar or for a thousand, my current holding value for a bitcoin is still whatever ELSE i could get for a bitcoin
21:51 mircea_popescu "2) a large fleet of submarines currently being equipped with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles (a capability the US Navy still lacks) for holding the “barbarians” at a distance from the fight;" << heh. let's best not talk about that.
21:52 asciilifeform incidentally note the lack of a 'naval isis'
21:52 asciilifeform something about supersonic sea rockets that seems to favour mega-state, mega-surprise
21:52 mircea_popescu this has been a historical problem of the arabs.
21:53 mircea_popescu couldn't sail for shit.
21:53 asciilifeform and note how the golden age of piracy ended.
21:53 asciilifeform and ever watch those little clips on youtube of what happens when ru navy runs into somalis ?
21:53 mircea_popescu by spain going bankrupt ?
21:54 mircea_popescu i dun watch youtubeh.
21:55 asciilifeform while one or more mega-states remain standing - they own the sea.
21:55 asciilifeform and air.
21:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00049731 = 11.4879 BTC [-] {2}
21:56 asciilifeform (in the same way, and for same reason, as btc mining)
21:56 mircea_popescu spain was megastate, owned nothing.
21:56 mircea_popescu again : nobody owns the free man.
21:56 asciilifeform megastate was not invented.
21:56 mircea_popescu heh.
21:56 asciilifeform ferdinand did not have panopticon.
21:56 mircea_popescu looky : you can try and package this until the cows come home. there shall never be an acceptable excuse.
21:56 mircea_popescu freedom's inside.
21:57 asciilifeform if that were the only kind that counted, folks would be happy to wear the napoleon hat at the nuttery
21:57 asciilifeform while... phreeeee inside!111
21:58 mircea_popescu not what i said in any sense.
21:58 asciilifeform then what means 'freedom's inside'
21:58 mircea_popescu freedom's inside as in "by the fact that your plane's landing in your building will you know the free man".
21:59 mircea_popescu not freedom's inside as in the pic of two dudes from earlier.
21:59 asciilifeform ah
21:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu might just be the last free man left standing and i notice that he isn't in much of a hurry to fly into anything quite yet
22:00 mircea_popescu you got your system o' coordinates wrong.
22:00 mircea_popescu everything's, to date, very fucking carefully avoided flying into me.
22:00 mircea_popescu which explains how come it still is here.
22:00 asciilifeform except for that one fella who molested the bitbet britneychain ?
22:01 asciilifeform or fried the old mpex disks ?
22:01 asciilifeform etc
22:01 mircea_popescu aha.
22:01 mircea_popescu plenty of close encounters, like with everything else.
22:01 mircea_popescu but why am i so important anyway ?
22:01 mircea_popescu things are what they are indifferent of me.
22:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52543 @ 0.00049731 = 26.1302 BTC [-]
22:02 asciilifeform are they ?
22:02 mircea_popescu if tomorrow i go marry p diddy and dedicate my days to writing pop-rap, exactly nothing will have changed on this score.
22:02 asciilifeform mebbe we all get gc'd if mircea_popescu gets switched off.
22:03 mircea_popescu what's gc'd again ?
22:03 asciilifeform garbagecollected
22:03 asciilifeform mark'n'sweep.
22:03 mircea_popescu oic
22:03 * asciilifeform bbl
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30174 @ 0.00050311 = 15.1808 BTC [+] {3}
22:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00050477 = 13.0231 BTC [+] {3}
22:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10449 @ 0.00050479 = 5.2746 BTC [+]
~ 32 minutes ~
22:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00050514 = 11.7445 BTC [+] {2}
23:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00050519 = 9.4976 BTC [+]
23:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00049708 = 1.8641 BTC [-] {2}
23:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.0004967 = 26.4493 BTC [-]
~ 15 minutes ~
23:38 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
23:38 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 7914.88388458 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 437.749, vol: 6883.73852 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.55, vol: 22428.33726691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 438.108083, vol: 56351.94240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.13, vol: 53.52266739 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 441.456, vol: 41.83891888 | Volume-weighted last average: 438.826307837
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13845 @ 0.00050519 = 6.9944 BTC [+]
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