#trilema | 2015-10-27

!up archStanton

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55142 @ 0.00054859 = 30.2503 BTC [+] {2}

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;;ticker --market all

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Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 288.42, vol: 17583.20245395 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 284.359, vol: 8568.29486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 289.34, vol: 14373.64520092 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 292.0, vol: 4.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 296.415, vol: 50313.83700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.64001, vol: 67.51225998 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 284.2934, vol: 67.66256403 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

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;;more

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292.603114279

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Lots of variance

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114712 @ 0.00054921 = 63.001 BTC [+] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39191 @ 0.00054939 = 21.5311 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00054755 = 39.4236 BTC [-] {4}

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lol http://qntra.net/2015/10/fbi-agent-encourages-paying-ransomware-demands/#comment-70895

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FBI Agent Encourages Paying Ransomware Demands | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20848Nj )

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http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/sonship/sonjm09.htm

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... ( http://bit.ly/2084gfN )

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"I'd also like to address my family, if you can call them that. I despise everything they stand for and I truly hate them, in a non-emotional, dispassionate and what I believe is a healthy way. The world will be a better place when they're dead--one with less hatred and intolerance." << above quoted guy's son, in his suicide note.

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[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b20

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[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] This is the bar for success. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/27/this-is-the-bar-for-success/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37358 @ 0.00054817 = 20.4785 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00055007 = 13.2017 BTC [+]

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06:05

[Trilema] On parenting - http://trilema.com/2015/on-parenting/

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308819 << no surprise re: the suicide. this guy thinks MacArthur isn't a false teacher ( http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html )

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Logged on 27-10-2015 07:04:16; mircea_popescu: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/sonship/sonjm09.htm

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A True Church - John MacArthur's Damning Doctrine ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgaC2y )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00054654 = 37.7386 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27745 @ 0.00054627 = 15.1563 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00054627 = 18.9556 BTC [-]

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!mpif

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BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021518 B (Total: 427.52 B). Delta: -0.40 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021379 BTC [+]

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!t m f.mpif

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[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021379 / 0.00021379 / 0.00021379 (250 shares, 0.05 BTC)

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;;calc 21465*1.01

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21679.65

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;;calc 21465/1.01

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21252.4752475

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08:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78892 @ 0.00054627 = 43.0963 BTC [-]

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/elite-wealth-management/410842/?single_page=true

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How Wealthy People Protect Their Money - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2BOXx )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00055006 = 6.8471 BTC [+] {2}

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"I trained to become a wealth manager. That initial part of my study took two years, many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of miles of travel. Although I never practiced as a wealth manager"

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you don't understand, he is teaching, not doing

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she

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zher

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"trained for two years, many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of miles of travel. and all I learned is something about cook islands trusts"

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00055006 = 24.2576 BTC [+] {2}

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by trading gossip

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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/26/health/vegetarian-hot-dogs-contain-meat-clear-foods-feat/

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10% of vegetarian hot dogs contain meat, says analysis - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1H73uUS )

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"also found human DNA in 2% of its hot dog samples -- and two-thirds of the vegetarian samples. "

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00055019 = 31.0307 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.0005462 = 20.0729 BTC [-] {2}

10:34

another way to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5T98YkJqM4

10:34

One Drastic Way to Evade Taxes... - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N57ITg )

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10:52

Destruction of country houses in 20th-century Britain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1k79jfF )

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exam-taking (tm)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31968 @ 0.00054789 = 17.5149 BTC [+] {2}

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http://blog.invisiblethings.org/2015/10/27/x86_harmful.html

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Intel x86 considered harmful (new paper) ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5dqof )

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punkman: phun phakt: intel's recent (few yrs) cpus have a countdown which cuts power in 30 min. if the me firmware doesn't execute

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(to prevent you from cutting it out of the bios image)

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otherwise the fw is rsa-signed (2048b iirc)

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and gotta love the crock of shit where x86 == intel

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there is literally 1 paragraph devoted to amd:

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'But is the situation much different on AMD-based x86 platforms? It doesnt seem so! The problems related to boot security seem to be similar to those we discussed in this paper. And it seems AMD has an equivalent of Intel ME also, just disguised as Platform Security Processor (PSP)'

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this is not untrue, but there is a key difference - FOR FUCKS SAKE AMD DOESN'T FORCE IT TO BE ON !

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you can ignore it.

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(deprive it of firmware, switch it off.)

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but i suppose this is when i say a bit about WHY we have these idiocies.

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there are at least two independent political pressures for the 'trusted' separate cpu-in-a-cpu thingies

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one is the microshit/palladium/fritzchip/treacherous computing (see rms essay by same name) totalitarian batshit

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the other is the entirely sane hunger of pretty much everyone with half a brain to escape from winblowz, or, failing that, at least not have his private keys touched by winblowz.

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this keeps in perfect fitting with the 'computing industry'-as-a-protection racket business model of the last 20+ yrs, where it 'solves' exclusively those problems which it, itself, creates.

↖ ↖

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and chumps beg for moar.

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how's cpu-in-cpu thingies related to escape from winblowz?

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sane people understand enough to wish for their rsa modular exponentiations to NOT HAPPEN UNDER WINBLOWZ

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they will say: literally ~anywhere else please~

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and usg is happy to oblige, 'here have a clipperchip'

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it is a classical 'good-cop/bad-cop' symbiosis

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as for the batshit element, there is a stable of folks, working (publicly known since at the earliest 2001, but likely earlier) to 'undo the mistake' of the general-purpose computer

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the 'mistake' being that smart kidz can reverse-engineer, do the unanticipated, cause problems for 'their betters'

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they approached the problem, in classic usg style, from a dozen angles at once

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one approach was 'you open the box but there is nothing to be learned or modified because IT'S ALL IN TEH CLOUDZ!!11'

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another was 'you open the box and the gasenwagen comes ten minutes later.' this was at one point considered practical but the proliferation of cheap hardware retired it.

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what's left is 'you open the box and there is a mess of 16nm tamper-resistant undocumented silicon, have fun'

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(incidentally, for chinese aficionados: NO WORKSTATION-GRADE CPU IS OR HAS EVER BEEN MADE in cn)

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they're 100% nato.

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intel, amd both.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00055042 = 29.9428 BTC [+] {2}

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incidentally, the 'crypto chip as unprincipled exception' is long-standing policy in usg internally

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(they will publicly proclaim, to an audience gagging from suppressed laughter, that 'ms-win is the only certified os for top secret xyz' while at the same time being sure to carry out private key ops ONLY in mykotronx/safenet's silicon)

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and this since 1991 or so !

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back to rutkowska's paper, for some perverse reason the irony of using mechanisms like IOMMU to somehow defend the bits in your nic from anal rogering by your gpu - at the cost of creating yet another all-seeing hitler in the box - is lost on her

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this is the problem with mats-style 'mitigations' thinking

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if you are unwilling to treat the problem as something to be abolished AS A LOGICAL CLASS - you are stuck with idiot epicycles

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and are part of the problem in the fullest possible sense of this phrase

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for n00bz, i will point out that is is possible to build a computer where, e.g., buffer overruns, is PHYSICALLY impossible

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ditto 'rowhammer' and related idiocies

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i suppose part of the problem is people saying "oh it doesn't matter I can just take that with a battery into a copper box and walk out with punch cards" ?

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(how to abolish 'rowhammer' ? a) don't use ddr3, why does a tetris-playing accountant need 128GB of ram?? b) use ram that is wired as a hash table, where n+1 is NOT physically adjacent or otherwise predictably distant from n. ---- BUTBUTBUT i want 128GB! but i want bust readwrite! FUCKYOU

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)

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*burst readwrite

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Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVhuca )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308842 << i can't wait for mircea_popescu to explain that... they aren't really lizard elites, because a distant winemaking rothchild got shot by a german once. or how the 100B isn't real money because it can't be sent to bin laden's ghost. or how i oughta shut up because they 'earned' it all and 'nobody asked you'

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Logged on 27-10-2015 12:53:31; jurov: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/elite-wealth-management/410842/?single_page=true

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asciilifeform: she tries to distinguish that all that wealth is not very secret, merely outside of media spotlight and tax collectors

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none of it is secret. merely untaxable.

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should appreciable part of it move to enemy that's gonna change quickly

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(not the taxability, but the spotlight of misc agencies and perhaps media)

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point is, aristocracy was once a thing

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i was sad, as a boy, reading about how lavoisier, father of modern chemistry, met the guillotine

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but i would not shed a tear for ted turner in the guillotine

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in fact, would greatly enjoy personally operating it

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because none of these people are patrons of civilization. but merely arses, just like yours or mine, but parked on golden toilets.

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i don't see them as 'my betters'

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just like a hoodlum who gets the drop on you in a dark alley, cracking your skull with a lead pipe, is not 'your better' on account of it

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i don't subscribe to the cosmography where the hoodlum is 'the better' and the concert violinist walking through the alley is 'a loser' because... because why, he oughtn't have such a soft skull? if he 'were anybody' he could afford a security detail? because why ?

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better at cracking skulls

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aha

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we have a whole continent reserved for folks who would like to live life as skull-cracking contest - africa

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(and soon north america...)

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it's confirmation bias

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orcs

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25005 @ 0.00054789 = 13.7 BTC [-] {2}

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i get it, mircea_popescu will tell me that 'money has to be the measure because otherwise redditors will have to count as people'

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there's, say, plenty of hungarian "aristocracy" that were patrons of nothing

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but i don't see how it would follow.

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aha and where are they now.

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you don't get to read about them

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but overall i woudn't be surprised to learn that a few of'em are still rothchilding around somewhere.

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quietly enthroned on golden toilets.

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nah, too stupid

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their own children preferred to exile to USA and blend in there

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inevitable. regression to the mean makes the whole hereditary aristocrat thing inescapably retarded.

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on a time scale of a few centuries.

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confirmation bias << i meant selection bias

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*

funkenstein_ applauds "on parenting"

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looky, bach on trilema

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http://imgur.com/JRFASYN <-- bach to the future

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Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVlZ6B )

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hhhhelo

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it is p easy to wax poetic about the state of computing, but, folks run nix until they don't and nonetheless need to raise the cost for attackers

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word.

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the stench of the room can never be an argument against the process of cleanning.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308827 <<< you actually know these guys/read their stuff ?

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Logged on 27-10-2015 10:40:01; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308819 << no surprise re: the suicide. this guy thinks MacArthur isn't a false teacher ( http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308845 << fucking bullshit. the study to "become a wealth manager" might take years, but it takes no dollars. bowls of rice more like it, this is one of those things to be learned with colored stones.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 13:19:00; punkman: "I trained to become a wealth manager. That initial part of my study took two years, many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of miles of travel. Although I never practiced as a wealth manager"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308854 << da fuck is "human DNA". sounds a lot like "american IP".

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Logged on 27-10-2015 13:41:29; punkman: "also found human DNA in 2% of its hot dog samples -- and two-thirds of the vegetarian samples. "

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00055071 = 22.6893 BTC [+] {3}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308872 << yet. you know as well as i do that if amd were the sales leader, it WOULD.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 15:26:07; asciilifeform: you can ignore it.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308878 <<< aha. computing as a paradigm of government.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 15:31:19; asciilifeform: this keeps in perfect fitting with the 'computing industry'-as-a-protection racket business model of the last 20+ yrs, where it 'solves' exclusively those problems which it, itself, creates.

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mircea_popescu: severed fingers? sperm? tears?

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fenotype is not genotype.

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understand : the question of what is specifically HUMAN dna is very much open. we share a lot with other living things, and the thingsd we don't we don't all exhibit. point in case being the bullshit pseudoscience "he must have raped her because so and so substance only exists in male sperm" to be then found sure it exists in female sperm-equivalent, no problem.

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but this counted as valid science for decades in hundreds of convictions.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308891 << and it is, currently, the one reason china is a pisspot.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 15:38:18; asciilifeform: (incidentally, for chinese aficionados: NO WORKSTATION-GRADE CPU IS OR HAS EVER BEEN MADE in cn)

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but i must say, splendid alf monograph, should be in an article.

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^

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308896 << word. and the postmodern irony is that after all this elaborate, expensive, actual superiority, hillary uses a home mail server.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 15:42:48; asciilifeform: (they will publicly proclaim, to an audience gagging from suppressed laughter, that 'ms-win is the only certified os for top secret xyz' while at the same time being sure to carry out private key ops ONLY in mykotronx/safenet's silicon)

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it's enough to drive one stack. im surprise not more usg-kgb folks go on murder rampages. i know i would.

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if after going to all that fucking trouble and obtaining that much actual superiority the people for whom i supposedly did it behave like fucking teenagers i would actually go to their house and feed them their children in cooked parts.

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not even explain why.

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I'm not sure you see how tiresome it is to rehash the discussion as follows -- 'gtfo off leaky ship already', 'am in middle of atlantic', 'so swim to island (without provisions)', 'then get on a ship without holes', 'there are none on horizon', 'getting on that ship in the first place is a problem of a logical class', 'yes, but... am here'

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mats your patience is appreciated.

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btw what happened to mykotronx

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a safenet actually bought them. heh.

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"The physical chip was designed by Mykotronx (USA) and manufactured by VLSI Technology Inc. (USA). The initial cost for an unprogrammed chip was $16 and a programmed one costed $26."

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back in the days....

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308917 << dude. "de" lavoisier was exactly the opposite of aristocracy, more in the vein of donald trump. he inherited the fortune of a ferme generale entrepreneur (tax scam the french copied from the romans - guaranteed to make one crassus-rich. sort of at-the-time equivalent of "real estate development") and married the scion of the same.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:05:39; asciilifeform: i was sad, as a boy, reading about how lavoisier, father of modern chemistry, met the guillotine

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phillipe equality was aristocracy. lavoisier & co were the newly rich.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308922 << there's a problem here. of the original set of hoodlums, meyer lansky actually survived, to die in the 80s in florida like any serious jew from beyond the pale. most memorable about him is the anecdote that when about 9 was trying to run a numbers racket with some friends, and when the older boys tried to muscle in, as older boys are supposed to, he demured. "yo

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:08:40; asciilifeform: just like a hoodlum who gets the drop on you in a dark alley, cracking your skull with a lead pipe, is not 'your better' on account of it

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u get nottin' for nottin'", if they want money ~they better go work for him~.

12:58

some hoodlums actually are betters.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308951 << the atruechurch guy? Yes I read it, and I met him. I stayed with his family for about a week when we were in florida for the republican national convention in 2012

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:37:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308827 <<< you actually know these guys/read their stuff ?

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o hey.

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i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37106 @ 0.00054617 = 20.2662 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71319 @ 0.00054715 = 39.0222 BTC [+] {4}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308923 << the problem with this approach is that you also don't agree with the theory that the deer is less than the fox. fine, don't agree : the fox eats the deer nevertheless. your options are either a) to not share an environment, in which case your failures are not fit-reducing or b) to grow uniformly.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:09:38; asciilifeform: i don't subscribe to the cosmography where the hoodlum is 'the better' and the concert violinist walking through the alley is 'a loser' because... because why, he oughtn't have such a soft skull? if he 'were anybody' he could afford a security detail? because why ?

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i happen to not think anything of the mathematician that doesn't know how his fridge works. "oh he's specialised" fuck you. "but this is how we do it here!" yeah, this is how i do you in the ass.

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"but he just wanted email to work" no, srsly, fuck you.

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if not that, not this, either.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308932 << exquisitely well chosen example.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:12:08; jurov: there's, say, plenty of hungarian "aristocracy" that were patrons of nothing

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308943 << incredibly, i thought that was going to be a highly controversial piece that'll get my skull cracked.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:20:12; *: funkenstein_ applauds "on parenting"

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incidentally, alf, why didn't I get my skull cracked ? god knows i been in plenty of dark alleys.

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lucky.

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there exists in this world a woman whose actual experience of a first date with me includes this part where she was taken to a dark alley in a completely new town, made to strip and well... no, rape didn't ensue. she jsut got a crack on the butt.

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i guess i'm the avatar of luck, huh.

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to put it in vernacular terms, quod times non te destructit, quod te nutrit te destructit.

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13:49

"Wealth management is a profession on the defensive."

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fucktarded atlantic article. "oh, reddit matters, everyone cares about us"

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no, they don't.

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the most visible manifestation of the eternal september irl

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except not irl, in some random blog nobody reads.

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i was more referring to how people say memes in real life, i.e: "not bad dot jpeg"; the reddit eternal september is like an infection

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that has become a plague

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the eternal september was already out there; the whole thing was the ignorant masses raiding the internet from "out there"

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00055095 = 30.7981 BTC [+]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:35:25; mats: it is p easy to wax poetic about the state of computing, but, folks run nix until they don't and nonetheless need to raise the cost for attackers

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guess what, i don't give a ~flying fuck~ about 'it's more seek000re except against the folks with the master keys'

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it is in fact the very definition of sabotage.

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'secure'-only-against-sp4mz0rz is just another way to say 'anal rape by usg but with anaesthesia so you aren't acutely writhing in pain from it'

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308965 << see the fingerprint threads in the logs as to why.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:43:36; mircea_popescu: but this counted as valid science for decades in hundreds of convictions.

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(criminology has zero to do with scientific evidence and everything to do with adjudicated guilt and confession. just the same today as it did when folks were tried by ordeal a thousand years ago.)

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308968 << whatchawaiting for, let's have the article

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Logged on 27-10-2015 16:44:58; mircea_popescu: but i must say, splendid alf monograph, should be in an article.

14:18

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308994 << fox eats deer ?!!!

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Logged on 27-10-2015 17:04:31; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308923 << the problem with this approach is that you also don't agree with the theory that the deer is less than the fox. fine, don't agree : the fox eats the deer nevertheless. your options are either a) to not share an environment, in which case your failures are not fit-reducing or b) to grow uniformly.

14:23

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308996 << not the same. 'know how fridge works' is still in the keeping of a life of the mind. whereas 'be impervious to ambush in dark alley' is (barring very few exceptions, philosopher-soldierieng-mircea_popescus of various strips) ~not~.

14:23

Logged on 27-10-2015 17:05:03; mircea_popescu: i happen to not think anything of the mathematician that doesn't know how his fridge works. "oh he's specialised" fuck you. "but this is how we do it here!" yeah, this is how i do you in the ass.

14:23

not so.

14:23

and you don't get to declare what parts of reality are irrelevant.

14:23

dark alley is life of the mind alright. the first. still the best.

14:23

and how the mind got to be mind in the first place.

14:24

best ?

14:24

best.

14:24

why does mircea_popescu not hang out with hoodlums instead of in theatres?

14:25

who's to say he doesn't and hasn't been ?

14:25

his www. (but perhaps there is another, made of chalk and written on alley walls, which is about hoodlumming ?)

14:25

for that matter what do you think you are, tchaykowsky ?

14:26

now i must know, why chaikovsky specifically

14:26

random complex name :D

14:26

but anyway, you musta been readoing a different www, half of mine's with and about whores, criminals and the insane.

14:26

(yes, tlp counts)

14:27

my picture of 'alley' is very much 'the spartan speaks with his sword.'

14:27

and that is not the first & best life of the mind ?

14:27

of the hindbrain.

14:27

you think ?

14:28

i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?

14:28

again you do not get to say what parts of brain are irrelevant.

14:28

tel lyou what : the weird make it, the brave take it from them, and the smart take it from the brave. true in the "empire building" us west as well as in lublianka.

14:29

how come ? how could this be ?

14:29

WHY IS REALITY FRACTAL!111

14:29

*

asciilifeform pictures 'lublianka' as a lubyanka (kgb hq) in liubliana

14:29

"i have decided that only the upper third of the mandelbrot set is of interest. WHY DOES THE REST KEEP RECURRING WE HAD AN AGREEMENT!!1"

14:29

kakobrekla ^ is there such a thing?

14:30

"kgb hq" moar like "main prison"

14:30

it was never a 'main prison' in the sense of holding appreciable numbers of prisoners at one time

14:30

(that'd be, e.g., butyrka)

14:31

~classiest~ prison - yes.

14:31

right.

14:31

fulla "intellectuals" and whatnot.

14:31

lyf of the minds!

14:31

*

asciilifeform recalls very interesting accounts of the angle that was taken when grilling such folks

14:33

thing is, the existence of rampaging pseudointellectuals does not invalidate actual life-of-the-mind as a thing.

14:34

any more than witch doctors in congo (or american programmerz) invalidate the fields on which they shit

14:34

the actual life of the mind as a thing is of the mind, not of a butchered brain.

14:34

hindbrain is brain.

14:34

it has its place, which you didn't give it, nor you may deny it.

14:34

erdos, reportedly, could not work a can opener.

14:34

it earned it, on its own merits, as part of the whole construction's history. it's there and you honor it.

14:35

this is a shortcoming of erdos.

14:35

yes.

14:35

i find it very dubious, just between you and me

14:35

that you readily see the "cpu in cpu" thing for what it is, yet you';d allow THE SAME PEOPLE do THE SAME THING to your own brain.

14:36

really alfgie, you want hindbrain escrow ?

14:36

*

asciilifeform also finds it dubious. such legends get blown up by biographers until the result is nothing approaching plausible

14:37

whatever organ is responsible, it is entirely possible to grow up with (for whatever reason) atrophy of the 'interfacing with strangers' circuits.

14:38

i'm most of the way there, personally.

14:38

asciilifeform: I run into places you've interfaced with strangers all over the net.

14:39

trinque: trick is that i don't do it in real time and with meat

14:39

probably every other time I go spelunking for information on lisp machines

14:39

because gotta run it all under software emulation

14:39

sure but go back x years and that's writing letters or what have you

14:39

aha.

14:39

no hindbrain involvement at all.

14:39

ha

14:39

ha.

14:40

you knew who else grew (for whatever reason) with a complete atrophy of the part of the brain that does "that math-y stuff"

14:41

until i beat the shit of her every time she didn't do math properly ?

14:41

oh, what, every us chick your age or younger, ever. herp.

14:41

somehow the women their mother's generation did not have this problem. it ... sprung out of the void, around 1970 or so.

14:41

there was a saying, 'beat a hare enough and it will learn to light matches'

14:41

the endless wonders of the brainz!

14:41

note that it is 'light matches' not 'galois algebra'

14:41

this saying is not entirely untrue.

14:42

it is, by god.

14:42

*

mircea_popescu points at the "driving car" discussion.

14:42

but it is true, circus trainers have accomplished some amazing things

14:42

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:43

i, for instance, can almost pass for a normal human being in public

14:43

seals have been taught to play cymbals

14:43

gorillas - tetris.

14:43

you're such a drama queen.

14:44

l0l

14:44

speaking of dramas, mircea_popescu will get a kick out of this l0l : https://cryptome.org/2015/10/stasi-two-docs.htm

14:44

Two Stasi Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1ie43FP )

14:44

the 2nd page in particular

14:45

appears to be a catalogue of stasi poisons, and 'intravaginal' route is mentioned.

14:45

(in english no less)

14:45

one is left to wonder, for whom was this.

14:45

in somewhat other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/b7c3568fec22fbd281a044e6e0857bd5/tumblr_nez8fyNDo01sqzw79o1_400.gif

14:45

... ( http://bit.ly/1ie4fos )

14:45

ben_vulpes: i don't think fmt is a horrible idea, but it (and similar packages like iterate) would've been great if they were part of the standard. as it stands they get you some elegance at the expense of being an idiosyncratic external dependency. you still have to learn format and loop, but once you do, you start thinking twice about replacing them with something marginally better.

14:45

(i guess it isn't really an anglicism, but a latinism)

14:46

asciilifeform the machine type looks fake to me.

14:46

aha, why so clean

14:46

until you see 1988

14:46

shape's wrong, mechanical failures are wrong, the whole thing looks digital.

14:48

2nd page looks like dot-matrix. looks quite like some of the 20 y.o. printouts i have lying around.

14:48

so in that respect, plausible

14:49

document describes saxitoxin, a favourite of the american services

14:49

(and presumably every other industrial country)

14:50

ben_vulpes: i've seen fmt like tricks used all over the place to do for example date formatting, e.g. (year #\- month #\- day), but the previous sexp is compiled to either format or directly to princ's. unless your domain is text formatting, it makes little sense to have an intermediate form.

14:54

i dunno why, it's rather obvious.

14:59

and in other parenting news / alf baiting porn, http://40.media.tumblr.com/bc4b4cc1ba00b42ec6bac861aec8fb20/tumblr_nq6d29n3ZE1u57u1ko1_1280.jpg

14:59

... ( http://bit.ly/1ie6TKT )

14:59

l0l what happened here

15:02

i have nfi.

15:03

but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.

15:04

didntcha write that one already ?

15:04

the text follows the conflict between the progressives (hey, whatever it costs, worth doing) and the conservatives (keep your damned ringworms off our famr!)

15:04

where ?

15:04

i distinctly remember a spiffy alien worm

15:05

ah yes, but that was different

15:05

anyway, dracunculiasis i mean, not ringworm.

15:06

and the debate could specifically be, that the damned bitches keep trying to claw the worm out of their bellies, thus giving themselves infections. so the upgraded farfms have to include limb restraints on top of the noirmally used neckchain to a pole thing. which costs moneys!

15:06

"maybe it's cheaper with psychiatry ? let's convince them the incredible burning is worth it ?" "waste of time, these subhuman hindbrained breeders!11" etc

15:06

could be quite good.

15:07

this is not too far from what already happens in 'civilized' world.

15:07

which is the point.

15:07

or, at any rate, what makes it good.

15:08

reality is x, people always, for some reason, represent it as x+a. never as x-a. why not ? should be evenly distributed around x, neh ?

15:08

job of the artist : fix the uneven distributions of reality representation.

15:11

anyway asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/ if it's what you meant deals more with fears around identity. this'd be three levels lower down the tree, more akin to societal parody.

15:11

The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGSXVf )

15:11

ah.

15:11

yes, that was the one.

15:12

there is, of course, also http://trilema.com/2011/oul-morganatic/

15:12

Oul morganatic on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGT3MS )

15:14

drove the (relatively moe sheltered romanians) batshit.

15:14

in other news : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCTf5k1Q_0s

15:14

Madalina Manole - Te-am Vazut , Mi-ai Placut - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ie9TXC )

15:15

te-am vazut, mi-ai placut, ce ramine de facut ? indraznesc sa-ti vorbesc : te iubesc! daca-n ochi m-ai privit si-ai ramas indragostit nu gresesti sa-mi spui ca ma iubesti.

15:16

ie, "i've seen you, you're to my liking, what's left to do ? i dare speak to you : i love you! if you've looked me in the eye and were struck, you're not wrong to tell me you love me."

15:16

the culture powering romania. i would bet this played a part in half or more lost virginities during decades.

15:17

kiss.ro, as it were.

15:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61448 @ 0.00054634 = 33.5715 BTC [-] {3}

15:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5752 @ 0.00054524 = 3.1362 BTC [-]

15:31

here's a thought : "Quarterly, first and fourth grandquarters counterquartered, first and fourth gules, three cinquefoils ermine ; second and third argent, a lymphad with sails furled proper, flagged gules ; second and third grandquarters argent, a heart gules imperially crowned proper, on a chief azure three stars of the field."

15:32

how much does the field of computing owe to... heraldry ?

15:32

conventions in place for eleven centuries or more, and slowly evolving over that interval, read exactly like algorithmics.

15:33

certainly something;

15:33

at the very least, these people didn't buy into 'the implementation is the spec'

15:33

i mean just reading that thing - the strictness of the logic is empowering.

15:33

aha! EXACTLY.

15:33

it is right all through in the speciffically correct way.

15:33

i assume it is why mircea_popescu's ears stood up

15:34

i've been aware of this for a while, actually, slowly digesting it.

15:34

counterquarted means somehing!

15:34

what does it mean ? it is fucking obvious to you what it means, on the basis of the text itself!

15:34

they understood that if they were to simply draw the banner and say fuckit, it would devolve into soup

15:34

THIS is what a spec is ffs.

15:34

no. they understood nothing.

15:35

they drew thje banner, said fuckit, it devolved into soup and we never heard of those.

15:35

aha

15:35

the reason for the succes is specifically the hindbrain. and the uninvolvement of "the life of the mind".

15:35

the ~remaining~ ones - possibly - understood.

15:35

dubious, but who knows.

15:36

lord knows it went to soup (true, different flavour) once they started wit hthe "understanding"s.

15:36

the bigger the motor, the bloodier the mess.

15:42

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308966 << this is the chink in the armour of 'usa is irrelevant and can go straight to hell'. let's say, yes, but where do you intend to get ws cpu.

15:42

Logged on 27-10-2015 16:44:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308891 << and it is, currently, the one reason china is a pisspot.

15:46

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308970 << iirc it was to skirt 'mandatory data retention' rule, rather than 'seek00rity'

15:46

Logged on 27-10-2015 16:46:20; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308896 << word. and the postmodern irony is that after all this elaborate, expensive, actual superiority, hillary uses a home mail server.

15:53

irrelevant.

15:53

"oh, they sit on grenades because of windy, not because of cold". fuck them all the same!

~ 15 minutes ~

16:08

*

asciilifeform has now ascertained beyond any doubt that his box dies when under full load. prolly thermal.

16:09

*

asciilifeform yes, cleans it, before anyone asks.

16:10

prolly wouldn't bother to mention this if it weren't for the 'where do we get ws hardware' thread.

16:21

[Qntra] Judge Dismisses Charges Against Kentucky Drone Shooter - http://qntra.net/2015/10/judge-dismisses-charges-against-kentucky-drone-shooter/

~ 21 minutes ~

16:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14663 @ 0.00055129 = 8.0836 BTC [+]

16:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.0005524 = 56.2896 BTC [+] {3}

16:47

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3qdwet/roger_the_jesus_launches_uncensored_ceo_ama/cwejyip

16:47

jstolfi comments on Roger the Jesus launches uncensored CEO AMA marathon on Bitcoin.com ...everyone except OKCoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzUdu0 )

16:47

^ ver-i-lol

16:49

so Mircea Popescu is a criminal now?

16:49

definitely didn't get that memo

16:54

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jurov mostly killed a day trying to run eulora in cling c++ interpreter...

16:54

and failed though not on cling directly, but on getting gnu ld to publicly export some symbols in .so lib :(

16:55

lol teh butthurt

16:56

nobody gave a shit about stolfi at any point, his "omaigerd threatened on the internets" attention whoring moment y compris, therefore mp is bad!

16:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00055255 = 14.2005 BTC [+] {2}

16:57

i thought that was stefanoupolis (?)

16:57

or whatshisname

16:58

jurov: clang ?

16:58

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-09-2015#1280971

16:58

Logged on 21-09-2015 12:12:45; assbot: davout-bc comments on /u/jstolfi goes the way of whollyhemp after death threats from scientologists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkvIuB )

16:58

asciilifeform: in CERN they built an *interpreter* on top of it, named cling

16:59

ah i recall earlier attempts at this

16:59

cint

16:59

https://root.cern.ch/cint

16:59

CINT | ROOT a Data analysis Framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqWiup )

16:59

not even a month. heh. at least the actual scammers have the decency to go away for 9ish months at a time. seems even 9 weeks is too much for the comparatively shittier decency of the university scammer set.

16:59

or is this the same animal

17:00

mircea_popescu: afaik the university gang is still in business

17:00

asciilifeform: no, they rebuilt it with llvm

17:00

to quote professor costanza, "in my mind, the war is still going".

17:00

they are laughing all the way to the bank, within half an hour's walk from where i stand

17:00

im sure in their own heads they're still actually even like, involved in things and whatnot.

17:00

jurov: l0l

17:01

mircea_popescu: these are not businessmen, recall, they are academitards. so long as the paycheques come and the tenure nest continues to be feathered with new paperz, they are as happy as a dung beetle in his pile of shit

17:01

they have that much in common with down syndrome sufferers, it is true.

17:02

if they gave half a fuck re: 'relevancy' they would have to eat their pistols in grad school even.

17:03

' Why would Bitcoin XT be subject to censorship? Simply put, this fork proposal calls for something that does not suit the agendas of the people in charge of /r/Bitcoin.' << still this?!!!

17:04

what else ?

17:04

Of course still that "Party Directive"

17:04

incidentally, the number of working nodes OF WHATEVER KIND continues to fall. not only per the 'bitnodes' observatory thing, but per my own nodes' connections stats

17:04

dead horse beating. it's a speciality.

17:04

aha.

17:04

went from around 60, steady state, per, to below 20 connections/each

17:05

lemme look

17:07

"connections" : 102,

17:07

you just suck.

17:07

apparently!

17:07

from other front,

17:07

'fseeko.c:103:4: error: #error "Please port gnulib fseeko.c to your platform! Look at the code in fpurge.c, then report this to bug-gnulib." #error "Please port gnulib fseeko.c to your platform! Look at the code in fpurge.c, then report this to bug-gnulib."'

17:07

but this aside, yes it's going lower.

17:08

^ buildroot-with-userland-on-arm7

17:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51331 @ 0.00055172 = 28.3203 BTC [-]

17:09

it doesn't like musl much.

17:12

incidentally, the story of england's country estates is so much lolz. so hitler won the war, and as a result by 1955 they were destroying the "national heritage" at the rate of a site a week.

17:13

pray tell what'd the gestapo have done ? better ? doubtful.

17:13

tarver wrote about this, i recall

17:13

not in the atlantic, i'd wager.

17:13

nope.

17:14

well i only read the atlantic so it never happened.

17:14

l0lz

17:14

mwhahaha

17:15

*

asciilifeform is astonishingly astonished at the number of packages which fall into dust under musl

17:15

civilized, decent, irreplaceable ones, like midnight commander

17:17

and at the same time these VERMIN mutter about 'you shouldn't write in nonstandard c, because of my gcc patches..'

17:19

and the gravestone on top of it all:

17:19

sysvinit.

17:19

(all of my previous buildroots involved busybox and didn't need sysv init)

17:20

this was an attempt to set up an ACTUAL WORKSTATION on top of musl.

17:20

y'know, the kind where it is possible to install programs later.

17:20

and do things such as init scripts

17:20

apparently this is a no-go.

17:20

i dun believe this is what they wanted musl to be for.

17:20

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE GLIBC

17:21

for everything.

17:21

well yes.

17:21

for "everything".

17:21

and ~would~ if there weren't an ocean of vermin

17:21

heh.

17:21

infestation can't be wished away.

17:22

my flamethrower only has so much petrol.

17:22

and a spout only so-wide.

17:25

gotta start sustaining oneself on bugs

17:25

!up King_Rex

17:26

having reached the end of the latest ballas dissection, the thing has a familiar format I was a little surprised to see given the others from him I've read.

17:26

even him mentioning the guitar fits

17:26

"the powers that be are out to make you a cog for their machine, maaaan"

17:27

what format is that ?

17:27

trinque: just about all of his articles have this flavour

17:27

e.g., the 'capitalism where you give all of the capital to somebody else' one

17:27

and i gotta say i love the leverage, i take an hour to write one of these 5k word atrocities, it ruins the day/week of numerous people.

17:27

go me!

17:27

he's revealing some sinister mechanism that's all around us

17:27

if you'd just see, you too could solo on the stratocaster and be free

17:28

don't let them stomp out your unique flower or whatever it is

17:28

I could hear the same shit from some stoner I know

17:28

"she is really raising them to be what the WSJ considers China to be: a pool of highly skilled labor that someone else will profit from."

17:29

btw i went to school with these people.

17:29

most of'em were not, ftr, chinese.

17:29

(or east asian at all)

17:29

they are insufferable.

17:30

do tell ?

17:30

not much to tell. more or less the caricature depicted by the source tlp quoted, made flesh

17:30

machines purpose-built for playing the college roulette

17:30

a.

17:31

'what do you like to read about when not studying?' 'what's 'like' ?'

17:31

(american might answer: 'what's 'read' ?')

17:31

their obedience doesn't seem to be the problem; more that there's nothing good out there to obey

17:32

it therefore ~is~ a problem.

17:32

not so.

17:33

if you can't make even one person worth following, how the hell would you make this entire aspirational 14% be each and every one worthy of following (for themselves) ?

17:33

you chafe at my broomstick, now propose treestick ?

17:33

at least the broomstick fits.

17:34

i think i'm missing a step here

17:34

what's an aspirational-14%

17:34

lemme set it out :

17:34

and why does it need 'make every one worthy of following'

17:34

*

asciilifeform confused

17:34

he says : this hundred appears nutty, but this seems more because they have no one to follow than a flaw in themselves.

17:35

you say : thus therefore, the fact that there aren't 100 people to follow, so each of these 100 could follow one of those 100 (ie, the same one) is then the problem.

17:35

well wtf sense does this make ? you don't have one so aim to fix it by having 100 ?

17:35

there is such a thing as having an internal compass, if you will

17:36

no, there isn't.

17:36

i.e. being perfectly capable of 'following' dead people, on dead trees

17:36

a compass is a compass. if you shove it up your ass it will be "internal"

17:36

I know this chick who ended up an IP lawyer because hell, the money said go there.

17:36

but otherwise, a compass is just a compass.

17:36

actually I know two such chicks

17:38

from the old pre-braindamage graham...:

17:38

'A friend of mine who is a quite successful doctor complains constantly about her job. When people applying to medical school ask her for advice, she wants to shake them and yell "Don't do it!" (But she never does.) How did she get into this fix? In high school she already wanted to be a doctor. And she is so ambitious and determined that she overcame every obstacle along the way-- including, unfortunately, not liking it.'

17:39

she wanted to do that in high school because the world somebody set up had "doctor" in a cool place

17:40

whether that's good or bad is another question I think

17:40

[Qntra] IRS Declares Cryptome Charity 2 Days After Key Revocation - http://qntra.net/2015/10/irs-declares-cryptome-charity-2-days-after-key-revocation/

17:40

iiiinteresting.

17:40

they stole it haven't they

17:40

Seems so

17:41

why would they advertise that they stole it ?

17:41

and why would it advertise being stolen.

17:41

SO peoSo people ask those questions

17:41

i suppose.

17:42

It's the post modern way to steal

17:42

and it isn't as if anybody will even notice the drop in the quality of the output

17:42

not like there ever were REAL damaging-to-usg leaks on the net.

17:42

and certainly not on cryptome.

17:42

it was always a kind of 'soft porn'.

17:43

heh.

17:43

(i'm still waiting for, e.g., ANYTHING from nsa crytologic directorate, etc.)

17:44

apparently teh dept of depting feels it needs more voices.

17:44

good for em for figuring it out. in truth, they do.

17:45

incidentally, there is not, afaik, presently, a thing similar to cryptome

17:46

publicly ?

17:46

well yes.

17:46

fuck the public, it belongs to huffpo.

17:46

as cryptome is/was.

17:46

providing public services is not merely a waste

↖ ↖

17:46

it is the essence of evil.

17:46

how about public disservices ?

17:46

e.g., phuctor.

17:47

that was, as i understood at least, the intent of cryptome et al.

17:47

it both perpetuates the jwz "i only want to" class and it creates the "i know nothing and have some oppinions" class of stolfi/swanson/etc.

17:47

it's a bad idea.

17:48

asciilifeform i think you've well seen what the results of public access to phuctor were.

17:48

publick knowbetterism, unadorned, and naught else.

17:48

i'd agree wholeheartedly with mircea_popescu on all of this, but presently i'm on the wrong side of a door.

17:48

but for the grace of alfie....

17:48

y'know, the one that has 'public'.

17:49

you're turning into a modern version of the immaculate conceiver over there, you know ?

17:49

noobs will pray to you.

17:49

l0lz

17:50

but i can't help but agree with the general principle. 'public' is largely vermin. and if mircea_popescu decides to open a meatspace lubyanka and make an old-fashioned entirely nonpublic intelligence-gathering corps, he ought to wake us all up.

17:50

to quote myself, "Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound busine

17:50

ss plan but a strategic mistake."

17:51

i am not intending to "save" the mass from it's "opressive" government/landlords/what have you anymore than i intend to run around farms in rural england "freeing" the cows.

17:51

kgb wasn't operating to 'save the cows' either, iirc.

17:51

the stable solution here is that the socialists get the crowd and wash their head with it, all i want is the well put together teenage sluts and the fewq and far between whose heads work.

17:51

that's barely 1%

17:51

the rest - not only they can keep, i'd even pay them to keep.

17:52

anything up to what it'd cost me to butcher them and drain the blood and guts.

17:52

at any rate, i personally live on planet public.

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yes, i FUCKING HATE it

17:52

but i just checked the mailbox, there is no letter from sultan inviting me to move away.

17:52

wake you all up ? intel's been a thing for years.

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*

asciilifeform has nfi how mircea_popescu runs his meatspace ops, with whom, etc.

17:56

and why would you ?!

17:57

we haven't even met the folks behind mircea_popescucoin.

17:57

aha.

17:57

hence 'not a bug'

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(does mircea_popescu know the ancient expression? 'this is not a bug - it is a feature')

17:57

yes yes.

18:00

in "stuff i'm reading now" news, http://trilema.com/2011/tigancusa-si-strainul/

18:00

Tigancusa si strainul on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ieF19E )

18:01

incidentally how is mircea_popescucoin doing ?

18:02

what is that ?

18:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188980 @ 0.00054903 = 103.7557 BTC [-] {5}

18:12

[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2022 @ 0.0006401 = 1.2943 BTC [-] {2}

18:13

[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1716 @ 0.00067533 = 1.1589 BTC [+] {4}

18:21

mircea_popescu: the thing you had made, prior to therealbitcoin

18:22

uh ?!

18:22

you mean the altcoin thing ?

18:22

nono

18:22

the thing that had no name

18:22

what you had on the original node we synced from.

18:23

iirc it was compatible with 0.6.something.

18:23

oh that. poorly.

18:23

wedged ?

18:25

a, no. just, not really being actively worked on.

18:26

;;ticker

18:26

mircea_popescu: if it is no longer in use on the battlefield, consider sharing it. might be of some use re: therealbitcoin.

18:26

Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.67, Best ask: 294.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 294.87, 24 hour volume: 26646.75714306, 24 hour low: 286.43, 24 hour high: 298.86, 24 hour vwap: None

18:27

i suspect it'll go the way of the minuteman

18:27

"still in use!11"

18:27

i confess that not learning about mircea_popescucoin's db locks fix until ~after~ therealbitcoinw wedged to death was not fun.

18:28

your ideas of fun!

18:30

i can't have been the only one who wondered 'how many other bug fixes is this fella sitting on without knowing about it'

18:30

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309343 << sewage disposal is... a waste ?

18:30

Logged on 27-10-2015 21:46:36; mircea_popescu: providing public services is not merely a waste

18:30

lol

18:31

wasn't even trying to be funny !

18:31

clean water is a public service, after all

18:31

flushing toilets idem

18:32

Doesn't have to be fore everybody

18:33

ba logs also

18:34

yes yes im inconsistent.

18:40

Inconsistency is a strategic necessity

18:41

speaking of health and inconsistency, alberta's new ndp gov (hyper-unionistas) just released its 2015 budget today : $19.7 billion for health care, $7.6 billion for k-12 education, and $5.7 billion for post-secondary out of a total $50 billion budget

18:42

what's the rest go for, defense ?!

18:43

11% on university... because everyone deserves to be reprimanded for microaggression

18:43

mircea_popescu lol good q, lemme look

18:45

<pete_dushenski> 11% on university... because everyone deserves to be reprimanded for microaggression because what they need to do is macro-aggression

18:47

eh nothing exciting : $4 bn for 'human services' and $11 bn for 'other ministries' (agri, natives, tourism, energy). also ~$1 bn for debt servicing and ~$1 bn for 'disasters'

18:48

'Status of Women. Consolidated expense is budgeted at $1 .4 million in 2015-16 . A province-wide dialogue around the formation of this new ministry is underway .' << mkay

18:49

right after ex-pm harper gutted all those women's studies programs. sheesh. back and forth, these guys.

18:50

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298801

18:50

Logged on 14-10-2015 18:23:13; mircea_popescu: "I know they're billing it as a stand for women's rights, but that would be more convincing if they weren't also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, hadn't shuttered 75 percent of the country's Status of Women offices, and weren't shrugging off the more than 1,200 Indigenous women who have been missing or murdered in Canada since 1980."

18:51

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-10-2015#1304851 << someone's doing well by translating trilema eh

18:51

Logged on 21-10-2015 21:37:20; gabrielradio: 1RadioZTPJhoYGHU3mBed6jCRAE8F6RZC

18:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5240 @ 0.00055256 = 2.8954 BTC [+] {2}

19:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40736 @ 0.00055269 = 22.5144 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9004 @ 0.00055182 = 4.9686 BTC [-]

19:09

guy prolly uses that address for everythinfg

19:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87650 @ 0.00055298 = 48.4687 BTC [+] {4}

19:34

http://www.coindesk.com/visa-docusign-car-lease-proof-of-concept-bitcoin/ << what's with these finance companies wanting to spam the blockchain?

19:34

thestringpuller if you were in their shoes, what would you do differently ?

19:35

i would invest in deedbot prolly

19:35

VariaVarietatis

asciilifeform: help me out?

19:35

VariaVarietatis

with my situation

19:36

pete_dushenski: from what this article tells me, they basically built a thing for docusign to hash physical contracts to the blockchain

19:36

fancy that. how innovative

19:37

have no idea what this provides other than more visibility for auditing, but dunno...seems...moot...empty

19:37

in this context at least

19:37

as for investing in deedbot I don't see the angle

19:37

trinque buying you groceries !

19:38

millions of dollars worth of kraft singles and cheese puffs

19:38

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/are_law_schools_lying_to_their.html << this is pretty good.

19:38

The Last Psychiatrist: Are Law Schools Lying To Their Applicants? ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7Zcag )

19:38

*

trinque gags, kraft is forbidden

19:38

Which brings us to the first point, the main point: law schools are lying. Despite the fact that "JDs face the grimmest job market in decades" the schools are somehow reporting to prosepctive applicants that, e.g., "93% of grads are working" and "the median starting salary of graduates in the private sector is $160,000."

19:38

How do they do this? "Enron-type accounting standards..."says a law professor. "Every time I look at this data, I feel dirty."

19:38

A law grad, for instance, counts as "employed after nine months" even if he or she has a job that doesn't require a law degree. Waiting tables at Applebee's? You're employed.

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19:38

trinque not to mention the gold-plated tank to pick up said groceries and drop them off at your house

19:38

The schools do this because the schools are extremely profitable businesses: high cost, low margin.

19:39

trinque but free !

19:39

pete_dushenski: consider it a small investment of my own

19:40

"They fake it because that pointless data gets handed over to the illusionists at US News along with other pointless data (expenditure per student, library facilities, max bench press) to generate a single overall ranking, which is just the kind of simplistic, pseudoscience objectivity that students, parents, and schools demand.

19:40

A quick word on the US News rankings. 25% of the ranking comes from a "peer quality assessment" in which schools rate each other. So, say you are Clemson Law School. What should you do? "Rate all other programs below average." And, of course, do what University of Wisconsin did: give the highest score only to itself and one other school that you're not really competing against. You can also bring up that "alumni

19:40

donations" factor by calling alumni and asking them to donate $5, and whoever doesn't donate label as deceased."

19:40

all of this is ACTUALLY going on. and has been. for years, decades.

19:40

mircea_popescu same gig with med schools, particularly in uk and caribbean

19:40

pete_dushenski: as for the dust it churns through, I'm sure at some point I'll have it announce when the tank is low so that the gentlemen here can refill it

19:40

aha./

19:41

"A ranking, like the "percent employed", is an example of information bias. You think you know something, but you don't. If Fordham is #21, is that different than saying it is #29? Or saying it is in the second decile? It's a deliberately obfuscated precision that you can't act on. That level of "certainty" does not inform your decisions."

19:41

specifically. "precision that you can't act upon". could be the "web analytics" business as well.

19:42

the difference between web analytics and law degree is that the latter at leaves you with a useful mental framework once it's burned your bucks

19:43

at least leaves*

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does not.

19:43

leaves the same hole anything made by ustards leaves.

19:43

"See? Grade inflation. We already know about the problem of grade inflation in colleges; the LSAT was supposed to help offset this by offering a standardization. Now the ABA wants to do away with the LSAT requirement. Fine. But the result of all this is you can't really be sure how you compare to other applicants, so instead you demand objectivity in the schools' rankings as a proxy to guess where you might belon

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g. "I think I belong in a top tier school..." How do you know? The analogy is you have no idea what kind of a man you are and thus what kind of a woman would be right for you, so you just harass the girls that other people think are the best. Then if you don't get her you're angry at the girl ("these bitches just want jocks and legacy applicants"); and if you get her you're surprised to find that three years with

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her has left you unfulfilled."

19:44

that hole. relationships, business arrangements, political arrangements, scientific models, all of it the same exact hole left behind. "this is where nothing used to be".

19:45

"And once they're in law school, there is more grade inflation and even retroactive adding of .333 to everybody's GPA. And now law school graduates are surprised to find they're unemployed. Law students had no real measure of their status as an applicant; no reliable descriptor of what kind of a school they went to (short of branding); and no reliable measure of their performance there. "What do you mean I can't g

19:45

et hired?" They think to themselves, "amn't I bright? Hard working? Fluent in legal theory?" And the employers respond, "how the hell would we know that?""

19:45

fucking hell. when i was that age i knew exactly where i could go. EVERYWHERE. and so did they.

19:46

given three kids ahead of you and three kids behind you you could ALWAYS pick at least two of each kind.

19:48

imo the mental framework that a (canadian/uk) legal degree provides is that i) there are always loopholes to exploit, ii) you can debate anything, iii) don't ask a question unless you know the answer.

19:49

if you can take these 3 points away from law school, and some connections, you'll be better for it.

19:49

allow me to refer to the source material in my response.

19:49

"WHEN Mr. Wallerstein started at Thomas Jefferson, he was in no mood for austerity. He borrowed so much that before the start of his first semester he nearly put a down payment on a $350,000 two-bedroom, two-bath condo, figuring that the investment would earn a profit by the time he graduated. ...Mr. Wallerstein rented a spacious apartment. He also spent a month studying in the South of France and a month in Prague --

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all on borrowed money. There were cost-of-living loans, and tuition of about $33,000 a year. Later came a $15,000 loan to cover months of studying for the bar.

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19:49

He lives with his fiancee who is "unperturbed by his dizzying collection of i.o.u.'s." She doesn't want him to get a corporate law job because (take a sip first): "we like hanging out together." Carly, another unemployed law graduate explains, "I guess I kind of assumed that someone would hook me up with something." I'm sure she felt she deserved it."

19:49

ok ?

19:50

sure, my hos regularly get two bedroom, two bathroom apts, provided a) they're good at what they do and b) live in pairs or triples.

19:50

who the fuck does this schmuck think he is ?

19:50

so the skools let raving idjits in and suckered them for everything the banks were dumb enough to loan them

19:51

he "likes to hang out" ? bring me the largest pike.

19:51

MR. WALLERSTEIN, for his part, is not complaining. Once you throw in the intangibles of having a J.D., he says, he is one of law schools' satisfied customers.

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"It's a prestige thing," he says. "I'm an attorney. All of my friends see me as a person they look up to."

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because corporate lawyers work 80 hours a week and sop up their tears with $500k - $1.5 mn a year.

19:51

douchy needs better friends.

19:52

and more starving

19:52

pete_dushenski this is where i go "had he spent the 350k on bitcoin in 2011, he'd have a little over 500k-1.5mn a year now"

19:52

it's a... prestige thing.

19:52

50k btc isn't prestige enough. mkay.

19:53

"They understand I'm in a lot of debt, but I've done something they feel they could never do and the respect and admiration is important." [my edit: he isn't actually practicing law.]"

19:53

who the fuck could never do that!

19:53

i want that ignonimy

19:53

everyone in argentina is a lawyer btw. im telling you, this country is the logical conclusion of that country.

19:53

ignominy* (of 50k coins)

19:54

Unless, somehow, the debt just goes away. Another of Mr. Wallerstein's techniques for remaining cool in a serious financial pickle: believe that the pickle might somehow disappear.

19:54

"Bank bailouts, company bailouts -- I don't know, we're the generation of bailouts," he says in a hallway during a break from his Peak Discovery job. "And like, this debt of mine is just sort of, it's a little illusory. I feel like at some point, I'll negotiate it away, or they won't collect it."

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He gives a slight shrug and a smile as he heads back to work. "It could be worse," he says. "It's not like they can put me jail."

19:54

right ?

19:54

someone should go into fucking middle east to be blown to bits by really angry men, to protect this pasty ass' dumbass notions of reality. this is worth doing.

19:55

except arg doesn't have huge inflows of productive immigrants that usistan does. so ima bet on a different fate, similarity in lawyer pestilence aside.

19:55

of course it does. chinese.

19:55

oh ?

19:55

myeah.

19:55

every productive anything is held by the azns.

19:55

sound familiar ?

19:55

when i want to deal, i talk to old chinese women.

19:55

like every accounting office here, like every teller at every bank here, yes.

19:56

i have yet to have met any argentine in any sort of position of power or relevancy of any kind whatsoever.

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i ocasionally encounter derps living the delusions of the foregoing, who i threaten and they go away.

19:57

funyn thing being that they seem blisfully unaware of this.

19:58

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309020 << heh. that mats...

19:58

Logged on 27-10-2015 18:14:25; asciilifeform: it is in fact the very definition of sabotage.

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"Let's take all this at face value. Is he entitled? Delusional? I don't doubt for a moment he sincerely believes he is a lawyer, because lawyer for him isn't a profession or even a job, it's a label, a code word for a kind of intellectualism he wants for himself. As long as "all of my friends see me as..." it was well worth the cost. He didn't study to become an attorney, he bought a back-up identity." << exactly

19:58

this. they thing "oh, patria si buitres no", "soberania" blablabla. then talk football and peronismo. and don't matter. and it's ok, because THEIR FRIENDS see them as people.

19:59

goldfish v. shark : round mcixxx

20:00

re : http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/

20:00

The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6pIga )

20:01

was that only last month ? feels like longer ago.

20:02

man, b-a time infused with parenting time is straight trippy

20:07

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309131 << speaking of novels, how comes that book you were working on ?

20:07

Logged on 27-10-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.

20:08

i wasn't.

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*

pete_dushenski was perhaps mistaken, but recalls chapter outlines in trilema article in last 6 months

20:10

http://trilema.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/

20:10

The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDYeIu )

20:12

in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.

20:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17910 @ 0.00055182 = 9.8831 BTC [-]

20:12

ya but it didn't get picked up.

20:14

mats you're too cool to recognise/fellate your betters ?

20:14

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.

20:14

Logged on 27-10-2015 18:13:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'

20:15

i don't have your exhibitionist streak.

20:20

this is patent nonsense. do you run your boxes with aslr on? then some classes of exploits usg may use against you could certainly involve rop gadgets. then, 'RAP' may prevent code execution.

20:21

look: i get the allergic response. your hyperbole dial is set to 10, however...

20:25

the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.

20:27

folks reading along, that are having trouble divining the meaning of 'RAP': http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307787

20:27

Logged on 25-10-2015 17:26:37; mats: https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/PaXTeam-H2HC15-RAP-RIP-ROP.pdf

20:33

mats, mircea_popescu: possibly both of you know this, but i am allergic to 'mitigations' largely on account of my profession.

20:33

it is my day job.

20:33

i have russinovich's 'windows internals' on my desk.

20:33

yes.

20:37

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309530 << unlike some other folks, my cock is not plugged into the mains socket, so this doesn't do anything noteworthy.

20:37

Logged on 28-10-2015 00:12:05; mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.

20:38

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309534 << do i misunderstand or is this the 'you are too small for them to spend a master key on' 'defence' ?

20:38

Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.

20:39

now i am not a 'famous & respected' type, so i'm not yet at the 'worth a car bomb' level. but i will confess that i am at the 'disconnected phones at places with no paper association with me ring and ask by name' level.

20:39

fwiw.

20:39

shinohai

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/658624900849012737 <<< moar like butthurt in action.

20:40

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309539 << it is because i know what the 'fixes' actually lead to.

20:40

Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.

20:40

namely, more of the problem, in spades.

20:47

this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'

20:48

the layering creates the festering gangrene which then requires new layers, etc.

20:48

security isn't for the incompetent and poor, yes

20:49

mats: for whom, then ?

20:50

those of means, that understand how to layer without creating as many bugs than were presumed to have been squashed

20:51

mats: you do not see complexity per se as a bug ?

20:56

its a curve.

20:57

shinohai lmao nobody gave a shit ?

20:57

this so reminds me of nefario's "conference"

20:58

asciilifeform be that as it may, each and every markslord is more than free to use his resources whichever way he pleases.

20:58

for some odd reason mats reminds me of the articles about the monstrously fat folks that BingoBoingo linked to. the ones where they demand that doctor treat the 1,001 consequences of their 5,000 calorie intake without mentioning the elephant in the room.

20:59

apparently it's marcher lord in english. anyway

20:59

and yes, if mats wants to be this kind of doctor - not only is he free to, but there is a tremendous bezzle market for the service.

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to the point that being ANY OTHER KIND is something you do under a blanket, at night.

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for no pay.

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as i do here.

21:03

i can't help but wonder what my published work thus far (in re: therealbitcoin, v, etc.) looks like to mats. probably looks like entirely baseless lunacy, like an eiffel tower glued from tongue depressors

21:03

idk why you'd think that.

21:04

well, for one thing, i'm not adding layers

21:05

jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang, there might be some insight in the patches. specifically i go the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.

21:09

phf i did not even try llvm to eat it whole. first i wanted to try compile eulora into dynamic lib with gcc and link that one to interpreter

21:10

wrote ersatz "mymain" function, but couldn't get ld to place it as exported symbol in that euclient.so, dunno why

21:10

it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all together, ended always in private section

21:12

then you should know i respect the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about the fabric of the universe, aside.

21:13

mats: you say "there is a curve"... is there any serious reason or data supporting the notion it has maximum where you think it is?

21:14

more on point : is there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?

21:14

jurov: oh i gave up trying to mix the two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues trying to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.

21:14

wtf, curve gotta mean somethingh

21:16

jurov: making llvm eat the whole is a better way to preserve sanity, because then you're dealing with fixing source, rather then hunting down opaque binary issues.

21:18

what do you mean?

21:19

there are multiple ways to "fix the source" to make ld export symbols, too. but i did not find the right one yet...

21:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110502 @ 0.00054661 = 60.4015 BTC [-] {4}

21:20

and did you end up with something that can be released?

21:20

phf: at all?

21:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34899 @ 0.00055313 = 19.3037 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43770 @ 0.00054467 = 23.8402 BTC [-] {2}

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iirc it\s in the wiki

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jurov: my impression is that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going through source and fixing it to conform to clang's expectations.

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i think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce the two to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're than potentially touching in memory objects with methods that have incompatible expectations about what the memory layout of the object actually is

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i must have missed it: what was the motivation for attempting these chimeras ?

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trying to play eulora.

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http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/this_time_its_esp.html <<< pretty fucking lulzy. psych journal publishes phys study, everyone misses every point.

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The Last Psychiatrist: This Time It's ESP ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP1ig2 )

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"Exactly. So you should have sent it to the physicists. You know, the ones who work a building over in the same university that you do. That was the whole reason for universities, right?

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No, I'm a dummy. The purpose of universities is to suck up Stafford loan money. And the purpose of journals is to mark territory, more money in that, like a corporation that spins off a subsidiary. NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND THE POPULAR PRESS."

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it needs two compilers to build ?!!

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asciilifeform: only if you're trying to be lazy :>

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lol

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asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2 to build out of the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way to fix the issue is to build objc files with clang and then link it against gcc produced parts. the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize

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ah! applism.

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i swore off ever building anything for crapple's gui again after they abolished 'carbon' (their c hooks thing)

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but people wanna play on macs!

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what if they wanted to play on nintendo ?

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gonna port for it ?

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i dun see why not.

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i don't have a reason i can table for scrutiny, just intuition -- there has been a lot of great work done in recent past that makes it possible to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?

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actually there's a bunch of people playing on mac

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*

mircea_popescu just looked

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mats: why are you convinced that it is actually reduced ?

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rather than enlarged in places where you aren't seeing ?

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(there are, elementarily, a great many new 'places'.)

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mats you recall the discussion of the "poor tenants" and their proclivity to focus on a single measure to be lied to ?

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asciilifeform: playing requires repetitive actions, and it has binary network protocol... so easiest is try to piggyback bots into existing client

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or the discussion of the "poor entrepreneurs" and their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?

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jurov you actually working on a jurovbot ?

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grsec restrictions on 'sysfs' reduces attack surface by mitigating information leak vulnerabilities, for example

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under very relaxed definition of "working on".. just trying misc around

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mats: at what cost?

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mircea_popescu: no

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and leaking where?

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haven't read

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let me guess, to malicious process

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(why is it on your box to begin with??)

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well, there's a time for everything.

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jurov: so http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X produces a working build, just not something you can upload as an archive, because the links between binaries rely on absolute paths. i think it's possible to go over all of them and replace absolute paths with relative paths using install_name_tool, but i haven't had a chance to try it yet. (just finished moving to DC yesterday, so i've been busy)

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OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo )

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phf, windows and linux builds are likely to depend on absolute paths, too, don't sweat it

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er.. linux not, but windows

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jurov: well, i could build eulora into /Applications/Foo.app/... structure, and then require people to install by dropping resulting app into /Applications/ on their machine, but there's no sport in that

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and you may want to get ftp account from mircea in advance, he has very strict security procedures on that

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i do ?

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i couldn't login via sftp, got banned, etc. took it few days :D

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hehe

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lol well... i think is standard knowledge by now, but if it isn't : do NOT retry that fifth time.

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"ftp://upload:password@eulorum.org"? :)

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if your ssh/sftpd "does not work", just like if your atm pin doesn't work, try twice

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00055378 = 4.9563 BTC [+] {3}

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yes, anything not-root doesn't get access to certain things that enable attacker to recon system

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mats do you understand conceptually what "burning" is ?

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in a sentence such as "a narrow burn cycle to keep moving the market".

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308991 << had some time to take a closer look and noticed the thing you linked is from Middletown Connecticut (the state in which I live) -- no I do not know those guys, if that's who you meant.

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Logged on 27-10-2015 17:00:22; mircea_popescu: i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING

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ah ok

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chan sucks now

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clicking around I found a page on the role of women that isn't totally wrong, but it's in that same 90s style as the one you linked, whereas the root directory is some web 2.0 looking garbage, so I'm not sure if that's still their stance

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better error messages kakobrekla

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the only church I attended was a sort of basement thing at a neighbor's house, and that was only for a couple years in my mid 20s

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http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/when_is_it_okay_to_rape_a_woma.html << aaaand tlp singlehandedly sinks the entire "get babes self help" nonsense.

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The Last Psychiatrist: When Is It Okay To Rape A Woman? ... ( http://bit.ly/209bKiS )

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my hat's off.

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mircea_popescu: in that sentence, no

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in the end this might all be about that learning curve / experience after all.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00055159 = 4.1921 BTC [-] {2}

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interesting re: tlp article how the actual "dope" in the wish-fulfillment fantasy is non-obvious to the junkie himself. there's that hindbrain again.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309050 << perhaps no thinking man is complete without being able to avoid the failure modes of the ancient parts

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Logged on 27-10-2015 18:28:17; asciilifeform: i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?

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it seems more than that, too, but I continue to digest.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-10-2015#1307643 << in the case here, somewhere in that lower part of the mind perhaps there is buried revulsion which would serve to make the solution clear.

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Logged on 25-10-2015 06:55:24; *: gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.

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classic http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/couple_reveals_childs_gender_f.html

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The Last Psychiatrist: Couple Reveals Child's Gender Five Years Too Late ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6BtTA )

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"The problem is that the parents already know the sex. They can't unknow it. They aren't acting from no information, they are acting in reaction to the information. They are saying they are raising him gender neutral, but what they are actually doing, precisely, is choosing not to raise him as a boy."

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"because it shows the hierarchy of power in this woman's mind: she doesn't believe in God, she can overrule biology; but the school system is inviolable."

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trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end << cl-irc is a thin layer on top of irc protocol, so connection state is something you have to handle yourself. connectedp simply queries underlying stream for whether it's still formally open. you have to setup mechanism (say a separate thread) to send PING to the server at a regular

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interval to trag lag. if the lag is too high, i.e. pong is not returning after some interval, attempt a reconnect

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*to track lag

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[Qntra] Karpeles Arrested on Still More Embezzlement Charges - http://qntra.net/2015/10/karpeles-arrested-on-still-more-embezzlement-charges/

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^ For the daily chuckle

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trinque the important part here is this : by the time the ancient parts function in "failure modes", the "life of the mind" is broken beyond comparison.

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you readily understand this if you think about hardware, which you aren't psychowired to nuttily defend. by the time the bearing audibly rumbles, the fucking software in that car has long been a mess.

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by the time your cd tray is moving in and out as if possessing a life of its own, the "browser toolbars" are long past the bottom of the monitor.

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etc.

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if your "hindbrain" observably malfunctions you've been stupid, insistently, for a long long time.

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indeed

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phf: makes sense; I'll see about that this weekend

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https://www.tacobell.com/steal-a-breakfast?partnerId=as_mlb_20151028_54562836&adbid=659190778174959616&adbpl=tw&adbpr=28603812 << Everyone in America gets a Free A.M Crunchwrap November 5th. There will be Beetus.

23:15

Steal a Base Steal a Breakfast - Taco Bell ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6DBLg )

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"I've started a new site, Partial Objects, which is a short form, high post frequency version of TLP, and I'm going to use TLP for longer posts." << gone, sadly.

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Eh, it wasn't near the same quality

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a, you saw it ?

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i'm like, late to all the parties.

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Way back when

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http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://partialobjects.com

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Internet Archive Wayback Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6DHCq )

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http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/ohio_mom_in_jail_for.html << alsonotbad.

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The Last Psychiatrist: Ohio Mom In Jail For Sending Kids To The Wrong School ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9op9Q )

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"Why are you hearing about this story, in this way: "oh my god, those bastards won't even cut a break to a poor black woman?" Because that story simultaneously delivers the government's message: "we don't squander taxpayer resources; we'll fight to protect every dime we can get." The symbiosis between media and politics: the media gets their readers, and the government gets their message relayed to the public. Ther

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e's no news here, this is propaganda."

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"Anyone on the outside should be able to see this for what it is: a mafia style protection racket. Pay us. If you pay us, we will protect you from those who... don't pay us."

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a ty kakobrekla

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http://web.archive.org/web/20120504055119/http://partialobjects.com/2012/04/inmate-brags-about-how-great-it-is-to-be-in-prison/ etc

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Inmate brags about how great it is to be in prison | Partial Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6E146 )

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i wonder what became of that whole crew then. there's what, adozen or so people writing ?

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Recently, a rising Hollywood superstar saved a young womans life from an oncoming cab in New York City. Most women would swoon over a guy like this coming into contact with her let alone him being a hero (a real human being) to her. Instead, she revealed a very telling thing about her nature

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But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think thats lazy storytelling, and Im sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.

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holy shit, don't save these derps from car crashes, it's immoral not to mention unethical.

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http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/tech_sunday_william.html << in which tlp knows ssh.

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The Last Psychiatrist: Tech Sunday: Will.I.Am Gets A Job At Intel ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9pnmj )

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;;ticker --market all

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Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.02, vol: 32228.33781101 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 294.464, vol: 11510.23018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 301.16, vol: 33008.299874 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.0, vol: 13.06657335 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 307.5215, vol: 58036.45200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.0, vol: 248.71157344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 290.274105482, vol: 159.56766567 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

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;;more

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303.027303434

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trinque: http://paste.lisp.org/display/157633 untested, but that's the general idea

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