00:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00074203 = 19.1444 BTC [-] |
00:41 |
* |
ben_vulpes is enjoying the anton_osika thread |
00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272924 << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? |
00:43 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-09-2015 22:05:59; nubbins`: your name is irrelevant |
00:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers << incidentally, this is why a b-a linux is such a low hanging fruit. |
00:50 |
mircea_popescu |
but for some reason either the histeresis is great or outright resistance to the notion is great. |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
what hysteresis |
00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
in between me pointing out gentoo does not actually work and alf getting off his "works for me" horse. |
00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. |
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00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel? |
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00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe. but ancient crypto is useless. |
00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
modern crypto useless for the reason stated |
00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
well, "ancient". |
00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort. |
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00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
1990s. |
00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
if it boots emacs, i'm in. |
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00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
"the programmer's portable os" |
00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<gernika> I feared as much. << the objection is valid, and in no way different from "you can have a working os, i sort-of have one here, it's made out of 400 pieces and i could maybe remake it if i had a week off." |
00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
quite a ways to go to what we actually want to have. |
00:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study. |
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00:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 02:34:49; asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study. |
00:57 |
mircea_popescu |
wich strictly means that a) mathematics is not open to human beings and b) even ultraspecialised approaches are pushing the proposition. |
00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 16 * 365 * 50 |
00:58 |
gribble |
292000 |
00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe 1% or so is the best you can hope for, as a human. |
00:59 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem is that until and unless someone takes a serious byte out of making the damned thing, it's kind of hard to guess if and how the graph is actually summarizable, or w/e the term is. |
00:59 |
mircea_popescu |
but 3k years' worth of bumbling efforts at "teaching" math by ear certainly never got very far with it. |
01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273646 << algebra is easily the hardest part. not even just because the notion of number is easily the most complex abstraction we've invented to date. |
01:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 02:41:49; *: gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed. |
01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? << array of conveniences. your govt id includes your name aside from your number too. |
01:02 |
thestringpuller |
!gettrust kruzt |
01:02 |
assbot |
kruzt is not registered in WoT. |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה |
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01:03 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273206 << actually, ask danielpbarron |
01:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-09-2015 22:51:17; mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her! |
01:06 |
thestringpuller |
^^^ danielpbarron |
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01:07 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. << What, rotor stopped making enough Linux? |
01:08 |
ben_vulpes |
thestringpuller: "the whole point of the last month of pregnancy is to make the idea of childbearing very appealing" |
01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah! |
01:09 |
thestringpuller |
ben_vulpes: childbearing seems unappealing to me |
01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
the things women generally enthuse about doing to cocks doesn't appeal to me either. |
01:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112414 @ 0.00074104 = 83.3033 BTC [-] {5} |
01:12 |
thestringpuller |
like hitting dudes in the balls? that isn't very fun either. |
01:12 |
ben_vulpes |
no man, like sucking cocks and bearing children. |
01:12 |
thestringpuller |
how are those two things related?!? |
01:13 |
ben_vulpes |
things women do that i don't! |
01:13 |
thestringpuller |
being on the male side of child bearing is the unappealing part i was referring to! lol |
01:13 |
thestringpuller |
i would need 9 months of xanex for that |
01:14 |
thestringpuller |
i actually don't think all the xanex in the world would help |
01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
what about xanax ? |
01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
it's great - a whole new world of indignities and hilarities to enjoy the spectacle of |
01:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76300 @ 0.00074034 = 56.4879 BTC [-] {4} |
01:44 |
cazalla |
fluffypony, do you know "Francois Harris the founder of Bitcoinzar" |
01:45 |
cazalla |
either way - http://memeburn.com/2015/09/education-is-the-big-hurdle-blocking-bitcoin-growth-in-africa/ |
01:45 |
assbot |
Education is the big hurdle blocking Bitcoin growth in Africa - Memeburn ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9Y2Yz ) |
01:45 |
cazalla |
and here i thought it was money, or lack of it |
01:49 |
fluffypony |
cazalla: he follows me on Twitter and we've pm'd a bit, don't know him outside of that |
01:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9209 @ 0.00074838 = 6.8918 BTC [+] {4} |
01:56 |
punkman |
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/upshot/gaps-in-alumni-earnings-stand-out-in-release-of-college-data.html |
01:56 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9YKF1 ) |
01:57 |
punkman |
"The Department of Education calculated the percentage of students at each college who earned more than $25,000 per year, which is about what high school graduates earn. At hundreds of colleges, less than half of students met this threshold 10 years after enrolling" |
01:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00075932 = 4.1618 BTC [+] |
01:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88319 @ 0.00075998 = 67.1207 BTC [+] {6} |
02:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40449 @ 0.00076056 = 30.7639 BTC [+] {2} |
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02:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00075879 = 47.8038 BTC [-] |
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~ 20 minutes ~ |
02:37 |
thestringpuller |
punkman: College loans maybe the greatest scam yet. |
02:38 |
thestringpuller |
Go to school work for school for cheap. Pay back loans for years to come. |
02:38 |
thestringpuller |
all whilst still poor |
02:38 |
punkman |
and still uneducated |
02:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97353 @ 0.00076118 = 74.1032 BTC [+] {6} |
02:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235593 @ 0.00076292 = 179.7386 BTC [+] {9} |
02:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101100 @ 0.00075879 = 76.7137 BTC [-] |
03:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00075879 = 17.3004 BTC [-] |
03:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13905 @ 0.00076577 = 10.648 BTC [+] |
03:18 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit punkman |
03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
are those "hundreds of colleges" pretty much community "colleges" etc ? |
03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and "college graduates" earning 2k per month is bs, incidentally. that's what the living wage is. |
03:20 |
mircea_popescu |
highschool grad in unionized job (police, plumbing, roadwork, you name it) does iirc 30-40k in his 30s. |
03:21 |
punkman |
it did mention barber/cosmetology "colleges" were included |
03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
seems there's ~7k colleges in the us. "hundreds" is meaningless in this context. |
03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84 |
03:23 |
assbot |
Fast Facts ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5TSO6 ) |
03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
(note the .asp for a lol.) |
03:24 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: Title IV are just the ones the gov will loan you money to attend |
03:25 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
03:32 |
BingoBoingo |
ASP, Adobe cold fusion, nothing more toxic than an American college website |
03:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23293 @ 0.00075873 = 17.6731 BTC [-] {3} |
03:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00076582 = 17.9968 BTC [+] {3} |
03:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4426 @ 0.00076599 = 3.3903 BTC [+] |
03:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00074461 = 51.6015 BTC [-] {4} |
04:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00467408 = 3.5056 BTC [+] {4} |
04:08 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller since you were asking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVCZagJtj8&t=16m14s |
04:08 |
assbot |
Julia Tourianski: State Control Perpetually Increasing Until Collapse - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lt7gZT ) |
04:09 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently she's reading the logs. |
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04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074186 = 35.9802 BTC [-] |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
04:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172957 @ 0.00076666 = 132.5992 BTC [+] {6} |
04:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90223 @ 0.00076623 = 69.1316 BTC [-] {5} |
04:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14274 @ 0.00076832 = 10.967 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 32 minutes ~ |
05:24 |
BingoBoingo |
And reddit runs out of node budget https://archive.is/AAWwW |
05:24 |
assbot |
Anyone running a full node for their apps/websites? Where do you store it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iplUuj ) |
05:28 |
shinohai |
LOL |
05:28 |
shinohai |
I have a paltry node budget, I run it anyway. |
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05:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141483 @ 0.00074961 = 106.0571 BTC [-] {6} |
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06:10 |
punkman |
http://mashable.com/2015/09/12/us-open-final-ticket-price-drop/ |
06:10 |
assbot |
Nobody wants to go to the US Open anymore now that Serena is out ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNkx53 ) |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
06:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76313 @ 0.00073824 = 56.3373 BTC [-] {3} |
06:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241150 @ 0.00077003 = 185.6927 BTC [+] {8} |
06:58 |
punkman |
herp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/business/dealbook/pitfalls-for-the-unwary-borrower-out-on-the-frontiers-of-banking.html |
06:58 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHJibg ) |
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~ 35 minutes ~ |
07:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00073927 = 47.1654 BTC [-] |
07:36 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273688 << https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/643289336524345344 |
07:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 05:06:53; thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron |
07:45 |
shinohai |
Well can't say danielpbarron hasn't done his part for the cult. |
07:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110546 @ 0.00074261 = 82.0926 BTC [+] {2} |
07:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48858 @ 0.00073816 = 36.065 BTC [-] {5} |
07:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152585 @ 0.0007505 = 114.515 BTC [+] {3} |
08:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.00073708 = 87.8599 BTC [-] {3} |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
08:22 |
cazalla |
well, Australia just got their 5th prime minister in 5 years - not that i expect anyone actually gives a fuck http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defeats-tony-abbott-in-liberal-leadership-spill-to-become-prime-minister-20150914-gjmhiu.html |
08:22 |
assbot |
Malcolm Turnbull defeats Tony Abbott in Liberal leadership spill to become prime minister ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6nD1g ) |
08:23 |
cazalla |
this time it's gonna be different! this guy we can count on to lead the country unlike 28 people before him |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it's fortunate that moore's law hosts nodes for free in moore's legal datacenter |
08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise i dunno what they'd do. |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lead it to where ? |
08:36 |
davout |
ohai asseteristas |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
hola. |
08:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215950 @ 0.00073621 = 158.9845 BTC [-] {6} |
08:58 |
funkenstein_ |
!up HeySteve |
08:58 |
HeySteve |
hey, thanks funkenstein_ |
08:59 |
HeySteve |
having connection difficulties lately so I haven't been doing the manual sign in |
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09:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00075478 = 62.1184 BTC [+] {3} |
09:35 |
funkenstein_ |
the case of anton_osika reminds me of the post-resleeving identification ceremony from the takeshi kovacs novels. |
09:36 |
funkenstein_ |
a signed statement from "enough" people in counterparty's WOT that the spirit of key A now resides in key B would be the only way |
09:39 |
funkenstein_ |
but we all learn from these things so I say thanks to all involved |
09:46 |
funkenstein_ |
"luke, I am your father". "No it's not true, sign a statement with his key bitch" |
09:48 |
mod6 |
heheh |
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10:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132061 @ 0.00075821 = 100.13 BTC [+] {2} |
10:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10189 @ 0.00075926 = 7.7361 BTC [+] |
10:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00075926 = 7.0611 BTC [+] |
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10:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59306 @ 0.00076059 = 45.1076 BTC [+] {3} |
11:06 |
shinohai |
https://i.imgur.com/KCcGbJ5.png <<< Insight on refugee crisis |
11:06 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KO1rvM ) |
11:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47476 @ 0.00077195 = 36.6491 BTC [+] {3} |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Martin777 |
11:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00077224 = 9.131 BTC [+] {2} |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai in other news, the isis throughput seems to be about 3%. |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
(isis has more "boots on the ground" in the immigrant wave than the us has in the entire middle east.) |
11:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00077225 = 56.0654 BTC [+] |
11:29 |
shinohai |
Doesn't surprise me a all. |
11:35 |
shinohai |
Also, if the anton_osika guy reads these logs, please note there is no such word in the English language as "unprobabilistically " |
11:37 |
shinohai |
!up anton_osika |
11:37 |
anton_osika |
Thanks. |
11:38 |
shinohai |
nw |
11:38 |
anton_osika |
I do read. I also have a talent for getting into tip-of-the-tounge moments, in such cases I make up words... |
11:39 |
kakobrekla |
we dont have a problem with words here but with concepts. |
11:41 |
anton_osika |
I tried to refer to the concept of 5 sigma, etc. |
11:42 |
shinohai |
When you PM'd me and said you had your "PGP keys unprobabilistically stolen" I was left scratching my head. |
11:42 |
shinohai |
New tyoe of theft to me. |
11:44 |
anton_osika |
Well the "unprobabilistic" part was my strong belief that my keys were fail-safe recoverable. |
11:44 |
anton_osika |
Hope it clarifies. |
11:49 |
shinohai |
If you put money in your wallet and someone takes it out, do you think that is also fail-safe recoverable? |
11:49 |
shinohai |
Or say, the keys to your apartment? |
11:55 |
trinque |
anton_osika: that is not what that word means |
11:55 |
shinohai |
http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/09/14/banks-decryption-keys-symphony.html?ana=twt |
11:55 |
assbot |
Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, and Bank of New York Mellon agree to hand over decrption keys to Symphony - New York Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaGEPm ) |
11:55 |
trinque |
you are looking for "improbably" |
11:56 |
shinohai |
Bet this will be interesting. |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
he was trying to say "improbably" o noes! |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, bbl! |
12:01 |
shinohai |
o/ cheers |
12:02 |
trinque |
was just halpin |
12:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43691 @ 0.00077349 = 33.7946 BTC [+] {3} |
12:13 |
trinque |
!up anton_osika |
12:14 |
anton_osika |
Funkenstein_ wrote a nice line above. |
12:14 |
anton_osika |
Regarding WoT. |
12:14 |
thestringpuller |
So the people in #bitcoin-xt have some terrible links in their WoT |
12:14 |
thestringpuller |
i'm tempted to run a graph on the nicks in #bitcoin-XT and see which ones of them are connected to known scammers |
12:14 |
trinque |
^ sounds like an awesome idea. |
12:15 |
anton_osika |
If, hypothetically, people agree that I would have enough proof of being the long party, in this contract: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A |
12:15 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M ) |
12:16 |
anton_osika |
Would people here give their WoT that this long party should receive the delivery? |
12:16 |
trinque |
anton_osika: I think those here are tired of the pleading; I didn't voice you for that. And no, we do not vote on mircea_popescu's actions. |
12:16 |
anton_osika |
And the verification of the identity I am thinking of is not so hypothetical. |
12:17 |
trinque |
and the contact is solely with him; not with the WoT |
12:17 |
anton_osika |
trinque: I am sorry if that is what is seems. |
12:17 |
trinque |
*contract |
12:17 |
thestringpuller |
this sounds like when Usagi lost his/her backups |
12:18 |
anton_osika |
Well the only thing he wants to defend is his WoT - so the opinions of other is relevant in these kind of contracts. |
12:20 |
trinque |
!down anton_osika |
12:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 229 @ 0.00488017 = 1.1176 BTC [-] |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
can someone fill me in on what's going on? |
12:23 |
trinque |
thestringpuller: in teh logz from yesterday |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
dude wrote GPG contract, contract was partially executed, dude lost his key to prove delivery? |
12:23 |
trinque |
yar |
12:23 |
shinohai |
He made a deal will the devil betting on Ethereum anyway. |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe... |
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12:24 |
thestringpuller |
usagi 2.0: http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/31/usagi-back-back-back-it-up-ayee/ |
12:27 |
shinohai |
fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ |
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12:28 |
fluffypony |
good times |
12:30 |
thestringpuller |
WoT seems to work as advertised. Usagi completely vanished after Pete's assassination of him. |
12:32 |
shinohai |
I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior. |
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12:36 |
thestringpuller |
That wasn't nearly as bad as pirate collapse. |
12:39 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker h rent |
12:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00841001 / 0.00912056 / 0.00999999 (290 shares, 2.64496239 BTC), 30D: 0.00781001 / 0.00955043 / 0.01150000 (636 shares, 6.07407109 BTC) |
12:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84700 @ 0.00076906 = 65.1394 BTC [-] {3} |
12:46 |
shinohai |
!up ascii_field |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
how goes the uranium mines mr. ascii_field |
12:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00077576 = 23.7383 BTC [+] |
12:53 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: working on the five-year plan |
12:54 |
ascii_field |
'"To address cyber-security concerns, we ensure that all your conversations are transmitted in encrypted form," he wrote. "The key is that we do this without compromising ease of use and content discovery." As we now know, at least part of that "content discovery" now includes investitgators' searching for evidence of malfeasance.' |
12:54 |
ascii_field |
glorious. |
12:54 |
ascii_field |
why would anyone use 'symphony' chat thing after this... ? |
12:55 |
ascii_field |
(or, for that matter, ~before~) |
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12:59 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273660 << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics. |
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12:59 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 04:52:47; mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. |
13:00 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273661 << i personally won't work on anything which i can't use. and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate, AND simultaneously process blocks, etc. then I WON'T USE IT |
13:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 04:53:09; ben_vulpes: heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel? |
13:01 |
kakobrekla |
headless + line printer output |
13:01 |
kakobrekla |
like in the olden days |
13:01 |
thestringpuller |
dark ages |
13:01 |
ascii_field |
kakobrekla, thestringpuller: go buy pdp-11 on ebay, use. |
13:01 |
ascii_field |
it is waiting. |
13:02 |
kakobrekla |
nothing in working conditions it seems. |
13:03 |
ascii_field |
kakobrekla: plenty of microvaxen |
13:03 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectible-Vintage-Computer-Digital-Micro-PDP11-73-PDP-11-73-/381399780028?hash=item58cd32cabc << this thing? |
13:04 |
kakobrekla |
it comes down to the question if the 'bitcoin distro' is suppose to handle blockchain (and thus be connected via dangerwire) |
13:04 |
ascii_field |
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use) |
13:05 |
ascii_field |
rather than a special-purpose item like rotor |
13:06 |
ascii_field |
something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti |
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13:06 |
thestringpuller |
sounds like something those anti-systemd forkers of debian would get behind |
13:06 |
thestringpuller |
devuan i think it was called |
13:06 |
ascii_field |
debian was never it. |
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13:07 |
thestringpuller |
yea that's prob why all the cool kids were using Arch Linux in school |
13:07 |
ascii_field |
thing is, the kernel per se has cancer and leprosy |
13:08 |
thestringpuller |
so do most things, how do you rip out the tumor without killing the patient? |
13:08 |
ascii_field |
i say - you can't. |
13:08 |
ascii_field |
not unless you can produce hardware. |
13:09 |
thestringpuller |
wish i could find that thread you spoke on about how modern jet production is inaccessible to non USG-tied entities. |
13:09 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: not just production. OPERATION. |
13:09 |
ascii_field |
as in, if you got one as a birthday gift, it would be good for perhaps one or two sorties, if that. |
13:10 |
ascii_field |
and it wasn't usg in particular, but industrial slave empires in general |
13:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82145 @ 0.00076771 = 63.0635 BTC [-] {2} |
13:11 |
thestringpuller |
interesting side note: it makes it easy to erase technology from the face of the earth if constructed this way...i.e. sr-71 |
13:11 |
ascii_field |
aha. it is gone. |
13:11 |
thestringpuller |
or saturn-v |
13:11 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273665 << three years. optimistically. |
13:11 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:13; mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort. |
13:12 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273667 << if it addresses 128GB of ECC RAM, and drives my wall of 'eizo's, then i'm in. |
13:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:44; ben_vulpes: if it boots emacs, i'm in. |
13:13 |
ascii_field |
assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work |
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13:13 |
ascii_field |
etc. |
13:13 |
ascii_field |
because else WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED IT |
13:14 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'. |
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13:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 04:57:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study. |
13:15 |
ascii_field |
this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then. |
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13:15 |
ascii_field |
HENCE my almost life-long interest in 'computer algebra' machinery. |
13:15 |
* |
shinohai would love a bitcoin linux |
13:16 |
ascii_field |
shinohai: what do you actually expect from such a thing ? |
13:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101350 @ 0.00076785 = 77.8216 BTC [+] {2} |
13:17 |
trinque |
ascii_field | kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use) << danielpbarron was able to produce something with my script |
13:17 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
13:17 |
trinque |
you can still build a sane gentoo these days |
13:17 |
ascii_field |
trinque: one can build a working gentoo, yes. on certain hardware, and if the gods smile on you |
13:17 |
shinohai |
ascii_field: A distribution specifically for use with realbitcoin with no unnecessary fluff |
13:18 |
ascii_field |
~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not. |
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13:18 |
ascii_field |
shinohai: this is not what mircea_popescu was asking for |
13:18 |
trinque |
that script I wrote approaches a gentoo installer |
13:19 |
trinque |
the funny business is all in simple things like partitioning and installing the bootloader, pieces I bet could be lifted from debian's installer |
13:19 |
ascii_field |
trinque: thing is, if it doesn't do x11 on ARBITRARY DISPLAY then it WON'T be my workstation. but if it DOES do x11, then it is not shitgnomery-proof |
13:19 |
ascii_field |
same for recent kernel |
13:19 |
trinque |
ascii_field: yeah, that is the rub; you have to have all modules built and an initrd that tries to load them all |
13:19 |
trinque |
"genkernel" |
13:19 |
trinque |
gives you what the livecd has |
13:20 |
ascii_field |
trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk. |
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13:21 |
trinque |
right, that's a hell of an exercise ball |
13:22 |
kakobrekla |
imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons) |
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13:26 |
ascii_field |
notice that NOTHING stops anybody from going to the scrapyard, digging up a pentium-ii, and booting up, e.g., prehistoric slackware on it. |
13:28 |
thestringpuller |
well I did that recently, slackware was neat back int he 90's |
13:30 |
shinohai |
trinque is the man for making that script. It made more sense to me than the mountain of info from the official site. |
13:31 |
shinohai |
Helped me wrap my head around the build steps. |
13:31 |
ascii_field |
thing is, if it won't ~correctly~ build x11, emacs & its dependencies, etc. - it is not a workstation linux. |
13:31 |
ascii_field |
it it ~does~ but uses gentoo's portage, it is a gentoo. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
!up anton_osika |
13:33 |
trinque |
shinohai: the handbook is a piece of shit |
13:34 |
trinque |
I haven't looked at it in years |
13:34 |
ascii_field |
anton_osika: i cannot help you even ~if~ i wanted to. |
13:36 |
shinohai |
Agreed trinque, which is why I never tried Gentoo until you came along. |
13:36 |
trinque |
I'm sure a day will come when my particular recipe stops working |
13:37 |
* |
trinque started openbsd-quest a while back |
13:37 |
anton_osika |
ascii_field: I just needed some clarification while the gentleman MP is gone. |
13:37 |
ascii_field |
trinque: i played with openbsd for a while and then got fed up with the dependency resolver retardation. |
13:37 |
ascii_field |
trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus', then it can GO TO HELL |
13:37 |
trinque |
ascii_field: pkg_add did seem to pull in goddamned everything |
13:38 |
trinque |
there was a project a while back to get portage on openbsd |
13:38 |
trinque |
stalled iirc |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
what the fuck would be the point. |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
use gentoo then. |
13:38 |
trinque |
no monstrosity of linux kernel |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
the monstrosity is ultimately from the hardware nonuniformity. |
13:39 |
ascii_field |
attempting to address the kernel bloat without somehow magicking this away, is idiocy. |
13:40 |
ascii_field |
and i personally am NOT interested in a lowest-common-denominator PIECE OF SHIT |
13:40 |
kakobrekla |
why i mentioned standard hw. |
13:40 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
13:40 |
kakobrekla |
like apple does, baiscally all the same hw. |
13:41 |
ascii_field |
right |
13:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00077585 = 39.1028 BTC [+] {3} |
13:41 |
ascii_field |
but if it doesn't do 10GB ethernet, hardware raid, gigantic display, etc. - it can go to hell. |
13:41 |
trinque |
openbsd kernel seems to lack all the virtualization, containerization, ... |
13:41 |
trinque |
while providing pretty good hardware support |
13:41 |
ascii_field |
not good enough. |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
i couldn't even get pcmcia to work reliably on it. |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
on a perhistoric laptop, no less. |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
*prehistoric |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me. |
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13:43 |
ascii_field |
for something touted as 'de-shitgnomized' unix, openbsd is uncommonly eager to pull the crud along |
13:44 |
ascii_field |
poetteringisms, drepperisms, the whole lot. |
13:44 |
trinque |
openbsd + V repo of standard issue tools, and forget ports |
13:44 |
trinque |
I built my own emacs by hand on the openbsd box I put together |
13:44 |
trinque |
*that* someone (maybe I) would be willing to maintain, but not a whole OS somebody else built |
13:45 |
ascii_field |
trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux. |
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13:45 |
trinque |
didn't propose that; proposed a V repo of tools deps and shell scripts |
13:45 |
ascii_field |
'want a glass of beer? here's a pile of sand, some hops, some barley' |
13:45 |
trinque |
lol |
13:45 |
trinque |
"wait a while" |
13:45 |
ascii_field |
trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!! |
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13:45 |
ascii_field |
who will maintain them? you? |
13:46 |
trinque |
obviously cannot solve the whole world at once |
13:46 |
ascii_field |
then it does me no good. |
13:46 |
thestringpuller |
need more cult members |
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13:46 |
thestringpuller |
and additonal pylons |
13:46 |
trinque |
and fusion reactors |
13:46 |
thestringpuller |
and a touch of vespene gas |
13:46 |
ascii_field |
picture if someone offered to cut off your arms, but promised to regrow them 10x stronger cell by cell. |
13:46 |
trinque |
how fast? |
13:46 |
trinque |
haha |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
to be completed some time 20 years from now, if things go well. |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
and gathers enough interest. etc. |
13:47 |
thestringpuller |
can we be in cryo sleep until then? |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
no. |
13:47 |
thestringpuller |
well that's no fun |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
13:48 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
13:49 |
punkman |
!s broomstick |
13:49 |
assbot |
16 results for 'broomstick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=broomstick |
13:49 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 |
13:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.' |
13:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8285 @ 0.00076506 = 6.3385 BTC [-] {2} |
13:50 |
ascii_field |
aka the 'no, mr bond, we expect you to DIE!' school of problem-solving. |
13:50 |
trinque |
I'd build a dedicated box solely for using gossipd, browsing the WoTnet, running bitcoind, and very little else |
13:51 |
ascii_field |
trinque: this is not a workstation. and arguably it does not need a unix at all. |
13:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103881 @ 0.0007542 = 78.3471 BTC [-] {5} |
13:51 |
ascii_field |
the correct thing to do with each of those programs is to de-unixize and eventually de-os-ize them. |
13:51 |
trinque |
yeah that makes sense |
13:52 |
punkman |
need more harems |
13:52 |
trinque |
ascii_field: I found two fabs that will do small production runs, probably ones of which you're already aware |
13:52 |
ascii_field |
trinque: did you also find 100M usd in your sofa cushion ? |
13:53 |
trinque |
price point of one was far lower than that according to various internet chatter |
13:54 |
* |
trinque looks for the links |
13:54 |
ascii_field |
trinque: you must realize, it takes dozens of shots |
13:54 |
punkman |
did the various internet chatters make anything? |
13:54 |
ascii_field |
plus it ain't happening in my spare time. |
13:54 |
trinque |
mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k |
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13:55 |
ascii_field |
what does a few k get you? |
13:55 |
ascii_field |
last i saw, it gets you NO MOUNTING (you need a cleanroom of your own to mount the dies), NO TESTING, and 1970-level transistor counts. |
13:55 |
trinque |
here's where I found the convo http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7042/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-custom-asic-made |
13:55 |
assbot |
hdl - How much does it cost to have a custom ASIC made? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAHo2z ) |
13:56 |
trinque |
guy claims 3k for 40 chips at CMP |
13:58 |
trinque |
http://cmp.imag.fr/products/ic/ << goes down to 65nm but surely vastly more expensive |
13:58 |
assbot |
CMP - Products :: IC's Manufacturing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrZTGp ) |
14:00 |
ascii_field |
trinque: traditionally these fabs neither package, nor test. |
14:01 |
ascii_field |
need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. |
14:01 |
trinque |
ascii_field: also we're down to 100mn for a lisp CPU now? |
14:01 |
* |
trinque ducks |
14:01 |
ascii_field |
and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip. |
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14:01 |
ascii_field |
trinque: what difference does it make to you, 100 or 500 |
14:01 |
ascii_field |
it ain't happening. |
14:04 |
ascii_field |
btw, does everyone understand what 'no test' means ? |
14:04 |
ascii_field |
it means that you can get a crate of bricks |
14:04 |
trinque |
sure, they fab the thing then throw it at you |
14:04 |
ascii_field |
and it counts as fulfilling the contract. |
14:04 |
ascii_field |
potentially ad infinitum. |
14:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50875 @ 0.0007503 = 38.1715 BTC [-] {2} |
14:08 |
ascii_field |
trinque: 'mosis' does apparently offer packaging. |
14:09 |
ascii_field |
but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair. |
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14:11 |
trinque |
several sources online chattering about mosis being in the "several 10s of k" range |
14:11 |
ascii_field |
per shot ? |
14:11 |
ascii_field |
how many transistors on the die? |
14:12 |
trinque |
trying to find a source worth linking, but yes, they're not volunteering info on the site |
14:12 |
trinque |
two others are xfab and lfoundry apparently |
14:13 |
ascii_field |
;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8 |
14:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns1tIq ) |
14:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
14:13 |
ascii_field |
;;later tell BingoBoingo original source - http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case |
14:14 |
assbot |
Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns1wUH ) |
14:14 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
14:14 |
ascii_field |
'MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. |
14:14 |
ascii_field |
MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. |
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14:14 |
ascii_field |
An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.' |
14:14 |
ascii_field |
^ Run Moar Winblowz! |
14:14 |
trinque |
nsa must have something really good in there |
14:15 |
ascii_field |
trinque: no secret what |
14:15 |
ascii_field |
trinque: it is an openly-advertised (read the fine print) back orifice |
14:16 |
trinque |
yeah, have seen re: "telemetry" |
14:16 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
14:17 |
ascii_field |
'He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered connections went over their data cap for August because of this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the computer is booted.”' |
14:17 |
ascii_field |
lulzy. |
14:18 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
14:18 |
trinque |
apple's turds do the same thing |
14:19 |
chetty |
perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream |
14:19 |
ascii_field |
trinque: officially advertise a built-in keylogger ? |
14:19 |
trinque |
they will pull down app updates automagically for you; maybe you have to turn it on |
14:20 |
trinque |
ascii_field: but no, this does take the bizarro-land cake |
14:20 |
trinque |
MS Sub7 |
14:20 |
trinque |
chetty: the beoble loff 'im |
14:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15302 @ 0.00074889 = 11.4595 BTC [-] {2} |
14:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28957 @ 0.00074415 = 21.5484 BTC [-] {2} |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
14:47 |
thestringpuller |
only if linux had the same entertainment support windows has |
14:47 |
thestringpuller |
but tbh the drivers on linux suck balls |
14:49 |
thestringpuller |
trinque: based on current canon bizarro-land is also known as canada or as clark tells jimmy "Tell him is Bizzarro-America" |
14:49 |
thestringpuller |
!up ascii_field |
14:56 |
trinque |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOhlb_t0QbQ << interesting interview with Putin; as an American I found it an interesting peek into the mind of the man |
14:56 |
assbot |
Answer to a question at St Petersburg International Economic Forum session - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiwQzZ ) |
14:56 |
trinque |
bit old, but didn't find in logs |
15:02 |
trinque |
good questions in particular about china |
15:06 |
trinque |
and Charlie Rose well represents the assumption that the rest of the world should see themselves as subject to the USA |
15:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125100 @ 0.00075655 = 94.6444 BTC [+] {5} |
15:16 |
BingoBoingo |
<ascii_field> need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. << Cleanroom is the easy part. Staff and actually packaging are far harder |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
if easy - go, do. |
15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Easy comparatively, IF level of cleanroom isn't spec'd |
15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom. |
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15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Much easier/cheaper than first person on staff |
15:23 |
ascii_field |
BingoBoingo has never set foot in actual 'clean room' has he. |
15:31 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: why not "steal" clean room |
15:31 |
ascii_field |
go, steal. |
15:31 |
thestringpuller |
i have...sort of... |
15:32 |
thestringpuller |
well people i used to go to school with |
15:32 |
thestringpuller |
they would use tools after hours without permission |
15:33 |
thestringpuller |
don't think this counts tho does it? |
15:33 |
ascii_field |
go and make equivalent of pentium 'after hours, without permission'. |
15:33 |
ascii_field |
why wait. |
15:33 |
thestringpuller |
maybe 6502 |
15:33 |
thestringpuller |
pentium may require first born |
15:33 |
ascii_field |
go and sync blockchain on 6502. |
15:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81905 @ 0.00077623 = 63.5771 BTC [+] {3} |
15:34 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: challenge accepted |
15:34 |
ascii_field |
if you can't verify a block in <10min GUARANTEED you don't have a computer. |
15:34 |
ascii_field |
you have a desk ornament. |
15:35 |
thestringpuller |
hey it'll be a fun experiment either way |
15:35 |
thestringpuller |
always wanted to own a C64-like machine |
15:35 |
ascii_field |
go buy a soviet z80. |
15:35 |
ascii_field |
prolly more honest than anything that will ever come out of a usg foundry. |
15:36 |
thestringpuller |
"they diddled are key generators!" |
15:36 |
thestringpuller |
our* |
15:41 |
funkenstein_ |
thestringpuller, the only "entertainment support" you should need is four strings |
15:50 |
thestringpuller |
!b 1 |
15:50 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2PRZNAT.txt ) |
15:51 |
phf |
anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both make the underlying uncompromi |
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15:51 |
phf |
sing position very clear. i'm perplexed by osika's stuborn and persistent refusal to understand that what he's proposing goes contrary to core tenants, rather then some minor aside that needs further clarification. |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
tenets? |
15:52 |
phf |
aye, yes |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
but otherwise yes |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
!s special pleading |
15:52 |
assbot |
4 results for 'special pleading' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=special+pleading |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
^ mircea_popescu had a good piece on it |
15:53 |
phf |
!up ascii_field |
15:57 |
ascii_field |
'nocrypto uses bits of C, similarly to other cryptographic libraries written in high-level languages. This was actually less of a performance concern, and more of a security one: for the low-level primitives which are tricky to implement and for which known, compact and widely used code already exists, the implementation is probably better reused. The major pitfall we hoped to avoid that way are side-channel attacks.' << |
15:57 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu was right, you can instantly smell usg pheromone because it invariably forces the exact same retardation EVERY TIME |
16:06 |
phf |
i'm not sure if this is special pleading, or a case of a stranger using the technology he doesn't understand to shoot own foot. in the future perhaps expect more "but i'm me i have a passport from obama" people |
16:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00076706 = 60.7512 BTC [-] {3} |
16:29 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
16:29 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] Microsoft Preemptively Download Windows 10 On Machines - http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/ |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
ugh |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
'on machines' srsly ? |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
vs on what, on camels ? |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
imho worst title. |
16:33 |
ascii_field |
unrelatedly, |
16:33 |
ascii_field |
http://www.podval.org/~sds/ocaml-sucks.html |
16:33 |
assbot |
OCaml Language Sucks ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMD9X ) |
16:35 |
BingoBoingo |
ascii_field: Would it really be accurate to describe the things as computers? |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
BingoBoingo: describe as what they are, win7 and 8 boxen |
16:36 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/ |
16:36 |
assbot |
Microsoft Preemptively Download Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMSBP ) |
16:36 |
BingoBoingo |
^ fixed |
16:37 |
ascii_field |
i'd fix the url |
16:37 |
ascii_field |
but otherwise ok |
16:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Changing urls is problematic |
16:39 |
phf |
trinque: re lisp rps, you might want to look at cmucl's WIRE and REMOTE packages, https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/ipc.html. while you can send sexps over the wire and slime/swank do it by sending readable forms in netstring format, you start running into issues when you need to ipc opaque blobs, like lambdas, hashtables or clos instances. cmucl's ipc solves all those issues, unfortunately married to cmucl. i think it woul |
16:39 |
assbot |
404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1ic1JiP ) |
16:39 |
phf |
d be an excellent exercise to make that code portable |
16:40 |
phf |
*lisp rpc |
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17:07 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
17:17 |
ascii_field |
http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << did we ever do these here ? |
17:17 |
assbot |
Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqPsI8 ) |
17:24 |
phf |
i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks* |
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17:26 |
ascii_field |
the third half will write device drivers |
17:26 |
ascii_field |
the fourth half - reverse-engineer hardware. |
17:28 |
phf |
hardware we build from scratch, i'm assembling some reference material http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg |
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17:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLyd2 ) |
17:28 |
ascii_field |
phf: http://www.turborotfl.com/en/news/3497/How_to_make_a_AK-47_from_a_shovel << more relevant classic |
17:28 |
assbot |
How to make a AK-47 from a shovel? - Turborotfl.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtCOD7 ) |
17:28 |
trinque |
http://makezine.com/2009/07/23/a-homemade-toaster-built-from-scrat/ |
17:28 |
assbot |
A homemade toaster ... built from scratch! | Make: DIY Projects, How-Tos, Electronics, Crafts and Ideas for Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLD0v ) |
17:29 |
gernika |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been. |
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17:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-09-2015 04:22:30; *: asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it. |
17:30 |
ascii_field |
gernika: a good bit of his non-fictional writing was not yet published then. |
17:31 |
shinohai |
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/14/irs-were-too-corrupt-and-incompetent-to-handle-100-million-checks/ |
17:31 |
assbot |
IRS: We're Too Corrupt And Incompetent To Handle $100 Million Checks | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQeRvL ) |
17:32 |
phf |
ic fabrication lab из торопа. русская народная сказка. |
17:34 |
gernika |
ascii_field: Ah. 1984 had been out for almost 10 years by that point. Perhaps it had not yet had an impact either. |
17:34 |
BingoBoingo |
!up FullFlaps |
17:34 |
FullFlaps |
ohai, and ty BingoBoingo, davout here |
17:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh hai |
17:34 |
FullFlaps |
just wanted to say you might be missing an 's' in your last qntra piece title |
17:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00076278 = 22.8071 BTC [-] {3} |
17:35 |
FullFlaps |
shouldn't it be 'Downloads'? |
17:36 |
ascii_field |
gernika: that was the problem. the book helped to bury him. |
17:36 |
ascii_field |
(it was not especially great, as a yarn) |
17:38 |
shinohai |
!up ascii_field |
17:38 |
BingoBoingo |
FullFlaps: fixed |
17:39 |
gernika |
ascii_field: strange to hear - as my memory of my experience reading it sometime in junior high school was that of complete enthrallment. But then again - who is a 13 year old to judge? |
17:40 |
ascii_field |
hey, same |
17:40 |
ascii_field |
but i'm told it doesn't work on adults. |
17:42 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay - http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/ |
17:46 |
mats |
fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode |
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17:47 |
ascii_field |
mats: aha. these are also exposed in libgcrypt. |
17:52 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gonz__ |
17:52 |
mats |
yup |
17:57 |
kakobrekla |
!unrate yang |
17:57 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d1917224ed91784c |
17:59 |
kakobrekla |
!v assbot:kakobrekla.unrate.yang:39c68f6fef50658b128028501351d116e3f4d444ab695a34228709009fd46c1a |
17:59 |
assbot |
Successfully unrated yang |
18:01 |
shinohai |
O.o unrate ouch |
18:09 |
BingoBoingo |
!up FullFlaps |
18:09 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
18:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00076214 = 49.9202 BTC [-] {2} |
18:20 |
cazalla |
http://voxday.blogspot.de/2015/09/more-social-justice-convergence-in.html top keks |
18:20 |
assbot |
Vox Popoli: More social justice convergence in action ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQnHcV ) |
18:32 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274149 << tinkering up some shaped slag, I see! |
18:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 21:28:22; phf: hardware we build from scratch, i'm assembling some reference material http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg |
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18:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85550 @ 0.00076939 = 65.8213 BTC [+] {3} |
18:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32204 @ 0.00076807 = 24.7349 BTC [-] |
18:58 |
BingoBoingo |
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-zyp_mSK78/VaSHDFsRiKI/AAAAAAAAMFk/G4icyO4IUL0/s1600/33a128e946e03599b968b40674097402bdc0501d74478c608fd03014a41d780d_1.jpg |
18:58 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ir0FIA ) |
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19:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15505 @ 0.00077007 = 11.9399 BTC [+] |
19:19 |
BingoBoingo |
https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/14/0e4a199534bf62badd9a52f20e87e5e1.png |
19:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ickiDz ) |
19:29 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: http://goobsyplz.tumblr.com/post/31817898169/battlingperfection-whoever-made-this-picture << lawl, found |
19:29 |
assbot |
9001% Natty ... ( http://bit.ly/1icl6by ) |
19:30 |
BingoBoingo |
lol trinque I've never tried to find the source for msot of these screencaps |
19:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00076807 = 34.0255 BTC [-] |
19:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Also trinque Did the server thief ever turn the box on? |
19:34 |
trinque |
neg |
19:35 |
trinque |
given they left the spare drives, I doubt they even knew what it was |
19:35 |
trinque |
"OH SHIT AN A/C UNIT!" |
19:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56966 @ 0.00077007 = 43.8678 BTC [+] {3} |
19:39 |
BingoBoingo |
lol, related http://epmonthly.com/article/severe-hyponatremic-encephalopathy-following-bowel-prep-for-colonoscopy/ |
19:39 |
assbot |
Severe Hyponatremic Encephalopathy Following Bowel Prep For Colonoscopy - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKwtbs ) |
19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
"A 79-year-old female presented to the emergency department (ED) from home with acute mental status changes over a period of one hour. Family reported this to be in the midst of bowel prep for a routine colonoscopy that was to take place the following day." |
19:43 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123444290 |
19:43 |
assbot |
A-10s deploy to Romania for Operation Atlantic Resolve ... ( http://bit.ly/1icmmLY ) |
19:44 |
BingoBoingo |
http://epmonthly.com/article/this-common-ed-medication-can-set-off-tsa-alarms/ |
19:44 |
assbot |
This Common ED Medication Can Set Off TSA Alarms - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1icmrzb ) |
19:45 |
BingoBoingo |
"Use a bag to travel that has never been to the hospital and carry proof that you are a physician." |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap contract finally expired ? box is dead. |
19:50 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00077012 = 8.3558 BTC [+] |
19:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.00076896 = 68.8219 BTC [-] |
19:58 |
mats |
;;halfreward |
19:58 |
gribble |
Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 14:48:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 45 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds. |
20:03 |
shinohai |
Bitcoin Jesus comes down from heaven to spread the gospel to the darknet netizens https://redd.it/3kx2a |
20:03 |
assbot |
reddit.com: page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1icnRcZ ) |
20:04 |
shinohai |
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3kx2ai/police_judges_and_other_law_enforcement_officers/ |
20:04 |
assbot |
reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1icnSxt ) |
20:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32181 @ 0.00077012 = 24.7832 BTC [+] |
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20:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25689 @ 0.00077012 = 19.7836 BTC [+] |
20:25 |
trinque |
shinohai: obama will surely pardon ulbricht after enough awareness is raised by these freedom fighters. |
20:26 |
shinohai |
kek |
20:27 |
shinohai |
Maybe if we get enough upvotes guise, the Judge will feel remorse and overturn the sentence! |
20:28 |
shinohai |
WE THE PEOPLES! |
20:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119842 @ 0.00076651 = 91.8601 BTC [-] {7} |
20:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13709 @ 0.00077376 = 10.6075 BTC [+] |
20:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62428 @ 0.00077851 = 48.6008 BTC [+] {4} |
20:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15524 @ 0.00077886 = 12.091 BTC [+] {2} |
21:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9776 @ 0.00077974 = 7.6227 BTC [+] {2} |
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21:17 |
thestringpuller |
the one day for me not to have amphoros |
21:18 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him |
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21:18 |
thestringpuller |
https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Omphalos << really wish I had a machine with that installed |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
snore, yet-another-linux-with-buncha-pentest-toolz-preinstalled. |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
his www has some good encyclopaedic material, though. |
21:25 |
asciilifeform |
and i think i may have used some of his exam prep material! |
21:25 |
asciilifeform |
back in the bad old days. |
21:27 |
thestringpuller |
he used to be my weed dealer for a good number of years |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
21:29 |
thestringpuller |
eviljarred: we need to hang out a lot more |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: i take it back, the linked item is new to me and potentially interesting. |
21:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00078027 = 27.9337 BTC [+] {5} |
21:40 |
trinque |
liburine << lol |
21:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00077628 = 21.1536 BTC [-] {3} |
21:42 |
trinque |
sounds pretty useful |
21:42 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274238 "Freedom means a hardline anti-Apple stance. Fight the Disneyfication of computing!" <<< love this |
21:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-09-2015 01:18:17; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him |
21:47 |
trinque |
thestringpuller: why isn't this guy here? |
21:48 |
trinque |
I'd have said I wanna smoke a blunt with him even if he didn't call his site "dankwiki" |
21:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34254 @ 0.00077376 = 26.5044 BTC [-] |
21:56 |
thestringpuller |
trinque: cause he's elusive as fuck. I'd have to track him down between his meth binges in New York. |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273358 << because that's where they fill your rice bowl??? think, why did i go back to usa after conf3 ? |
21:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-09-2015 00:59:09; mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back. |
22:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00078096 = 24.7564 BTC [+] {3} |
22:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41447 @ 0.00077125 = 31.966 BTC [-] {3} |
22:10 |
trinque |
thestringpuller: with a little more meth in the WoT we might get that #b-a distro done! |
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22:31 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mod6 therealbitcoin www points out, correctly, that certain patches (e.g., asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.patch) are considered experimental; but asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch is pretty much mandatory - node will not sync without it, afaik. |
22:31 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
22:33 |
BingoBoingo |
http://git.2f30.org/morpheus/plain/README |
22:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Obv1eQ ) |
22:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00076774 = 35.2393 BTC [-] {3} |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: aha, it was on 'suckless' |
22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Yeah, the proto-form of their "less unofficial" distro |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
it is not hard to make a musl-based linux; i have this working with rotor |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
the hard part is to make something that is a meaningful improvement in more than a strictly-hygienic sense |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
that is, something that will run a workstation. |
22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Aha |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
AND without increasing daily work 1,001x-fold |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
that is, on top of everything, it must contain something more or less equivalent to gentoo's 'portage'. |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
and correctly resolve dependencies |
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23:02 |
trinque |
shame that this "linux distro" work is expected to be free |
23:03 |
trinque |
I'd pay a guy like the gentleman that used to package Slackware a reasonable fee per release |
23:03 |
trinque |
I guess he still does, actually. |
23:04 |
trinque |
perhaps you could do a bidding system whereby packages are bid into the next release |
23:05 |
trinque |
heh, starts to look sort of like the blocksize thing and transaction fees |
23:11 |
trinque |
you could sell options.. perhaps someone wants to know he can get his package into the 3rd quarter release when it comes around, but his release date might slip |
23:11 |
* |
trinque dreams of market forces in computing again |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: problem is that people are discrete. |
23:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6929 @ 0.00076756 = 5.3184 BTC [-] |
23:24 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: meaning how do you price that guy's hour vs this guy's, or something else? |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
no |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
meaning that certain things can only be done effectively by folks who spend all or most of their time on them. |
23:25 |
trinque |
how else do you get someone to spend all their time on something than paying them? |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
you pay. |
23:26 |
trinque |
I would agree it makes little sense to "maintain" a package for only a short duration contract |
23:26 |
trinque |
would take a longer interval of pondering to dream up a contract that'd work |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: what are the actual economics you have in mind ? |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
whereby this would be something other than a charity |
23:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00076756 = 6.4828 BTC [-] |
23:28 |
trinque |
that a company exists which sells contracts to maintain packages on a certain distro |
23:28 |
trinque |
there's some market within which to purchase and trade this company's time |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
where does the money in this market come from ? |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
let's work a small example |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
how much, in whatever currency, would trinque personally contribute to this scheme ? |
23:29 |
trinque |
lets say for nginx; I would pay 1k/yr |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
for what, pertaining to nginx ? |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
just the fact of it continuing to build ? |
23:30 |
trinque |
building it against libressl on #b-a linux and expedient building and backporting of fixes |
23:30 |
trinque |
or whatever the conditions may be |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
fixes as published where ? |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
this presumably includes somehow meaningfully vetting the published patches ? |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
because ~this~ is reasonably a $k or more ~per~, at quite threadbare american market rates |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
everyone wants the moon and the sun, but no one wants to pay for the,. |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
m |
23:32 |
trinque |
could start with maintenance of the "ebuild" and nothing further; it really depends on the revenue |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
what does 'maintenance of the ebuild' entail ? |
23:32 |
trinque |
and I don't see this working for a vast number of packages |
23:32 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: funneling upstream's work into released packages on #b-a linux |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
see above |
23:33 |
trinque |
does this require a musl patch? does this ... |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
if this is done blindly, it will be a disaster |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
if it is done intelligently, it is easily $2-3K PER PATCH |
23:38 |
trinque |
if that's the cost, a contract to do the work would have to reflect it |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:39 |
trinque |
and then if nobody buys it, doesn't get done |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
the point i was trying to make, |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
is that software is a lemon market. |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
and that the things people turn out to be, in practice, actually willing to spend, |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
barely buy a turd from the sidewalk. |
23:40 |
trinque |
yes, though I do continue to wonder how it'd do with an actual *market* |
23:40 |
trinque |
can't compare the cost of edible food with the turd |
23:41 |
trinque |
anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment |
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23:42 |
asciilifeform |
i'm sure that some idiot kid will eventually take your money. |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
if 'someone' is all you need. |
23:42 |
trinque |
haha! well I know how to write a contract |
23:42 |
trinque |
and I don't pay kids up front |
23:43 |
trinque |
maybe anton_osika wants an honest way to earn back his 3 BTC, lol |
23:43 |
trinque |
I kid |
23:46 |
trinque |
one thing that clearly would not work is this sort of decentralized micro-payments bullshit I've heard proposed before |
23:46 |
trinque |
"gittip" or things in ideological proximity |
23:47 |
trinque |
because you're right, somebody doing a drive-by on nginx for a week is more harm than good |
23:47 |
trinque |
but without a market we have no fucking clue what the cost of this work is |
23:48 |
trinque |
rather, the price. |