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00:02 BingoBoingo It's been a while. Lotta no sync'd connected to me atm http://dpaste.com/1392AJG
00:02 assbot dpaste: 1392AJG ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3rFNL )
00:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah i suspect not what he was expecting
00:06 mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/09cd63aebc65245c84a0df25b7c31992/tumblr_nq6ymhVYSU1t1pbfjo2_400.gif
00:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx4qS8 )
00:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2768 @ 0.00070473 = 1.9507 BTC [+] {3}
00:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: admittedly i have precious little notion of what these folks expect. what does ant expect under the magifying glass ?
00:07 asciilifeform *magnifying
00:07 mircea_popescu what is this terrorism
00:08 mircea_popescu ant came over for tea.
00:08 mircea_popescu isn't the world ant tea-rarium ?
00:08 asciilifeform yes. and it serves tea.
00:08 asciilifeform with polonium.
00:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://static.neatorama.com/images/2007-02/car-exhaust-vacuum.jpg
00:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3sLco )
00:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: neato
00:15 * BingoBoingo knows why not airbox vacuum, but wonders why was never marketed
00:18 mircea_popescu and in the daily wtf, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e6162db4ba8b2f7a27bc51d7c1956aae/tumblr_np4xlt3inS1un97axo2_1280.jpg
00:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx4XUn )
00:19 BingoBoingo Not WTF, normal medical procedure.
00:20 BingoBoingo ^ Also asciilifeform looks like one of your filipinos
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00:44 lobbes lol, "©NozWiz"
00:44 mircea_popescu here's one for alf. http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvh34elmdBxhE59Cxo1_1280.jpg
00:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx6lpP )
00:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00070723 = 2.4753 BTC [+] {3}
00:52 mircea_popescu an' i got one for BingoBoingo too. http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvgyzohzwqa0g6SZao1_1280.jpg
00:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx6BFw )
01:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00069911 = 2.4119 BTC [-] {4}
01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00071192 = 3.9512 BTC [+] {3}
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01:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0006978 = 3.6286 BTC [-] {2}
01:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00069638 = 3.4123 BTC [-] {2}
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02:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00069638 = 4.4568 BTC [-]
02:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0007017 = 6.4556 BTC [+] {3}
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02:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00069638 = 3.656 BTC [-]
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03:38 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252784 <<< yet down under people believe a borderline retard was able to shoot up port arthur like a total fucking crack commando.. anyway this guy could've used a gopro instead of mobile phone
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03:38 assbot Logged on 26-08-2015 20:05:56; trinque: squeezed off 3-4 at <10ft? target runs away?
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04:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4955 @ 0.00069638 = 3.4506 BTC [-]
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05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00069638 = 1.6713 BTC [-]
05:14 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/Y33pn0E.jpg
05:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnTCJ8 )
05:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00069638 = 2.1588 BTC [-]
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05:41 cazalla http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/25/social-recluse-made-300000-in-internet-scam-run-from-his-bedroom
05:41 assbot Social recluse made £300,000 in internet scam run from his bedroom | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnUP3f )
05:54 cazalla back to that mr robot, ugly yet sexy body asian 3d printing lady for a moment.. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mr-robot-finale-postponed-plot-817951
05:54 assbot 'Mr. Robot' Finale Postponed Over Plot Similarity to Virginia TV Shooting - Hollywood Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnVzFA )
05:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00069964 = 3.7081 BTC [+] {2}
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06:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00070062 = 3.8534 BTC [+]
06:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1467 @ 0.00070344 = 1.0319 BTC [+] {2}
06:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3151 @ 0.00070496 = 2.2213 BTC [+]
06:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00069726 = 3.556 BTC [-] {4}
06:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00070616 = 3.2483 BTC [+] {2}
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07:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00070666 = 2.8266 BTC [+] {3}
07:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2699 @ 0.00069666 = 1.8803 BTC [-] {3}
07:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00070762 = 1.486 BTC [+]
07:27 punkman http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-26/how-a-one-man-etf-shop-attracted-1-4-billion-in-just-8-months?cmpid=twtr1
07:27 assbot How a One-Man ETF Shop Attracted $1.4 Billion in Just 8 Months - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJrwLu )
07:30 punkman http://www.pureetfs.com/etfs/hack.html
07:30 assbot PureFunds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jl7wJQ )
07:39 punkman http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/sanford-wallace-pleads-guilty-spamming-facebook-users-and-disobeying-court-order
07:39 assbot Sanford Wallace Pleads Guilty To Spamming Facebook Users And Disobeying A Court Order | USAO-NDCA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jl9av8 )
07:40 punkman http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-executive-pleads-guilty-conspiring-bribe-panamanian-officials
07:40 assbot Former Executive Pleads Guilty To Conspiring To Bribe Panamanian Officials | USAO-NDCA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jl9iut )
07:46 punkman hah http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-Made_in_the_USA.jpg
07:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jlan5I )
07:49 punkman http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-240mil1.jpg
07:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJt6NF )
07:49 punkman http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-240mil2.jpg
07:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJt7kt )
07:49 punkman http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-USB_Port1.jpg
07:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJtawL )
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00069638 = 1.8802 BTC [-]
07:54 shinohai wow
07:54 shinohai such propoganda
07:54 punkman the first one was the best
07:55 punkman http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/2001dualback_poster_100.jpg
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07:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlbG4q )
07:59 punkman http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-27/heard-of-china-s-fake-rolexes-now-there-s-a-fake-goldman-sachs
07:59 assbot Heard of China’s Fake Rolexes? Now There’s a Fake Goldman Sachs - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJtGLc )
08:01 punkman http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cpg/5191992665.html
08:01 assbot Webmaster Intern / Partner for a new Business Development Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJtPOS )
08:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2696 @ 0.00069739 = 1.8802 BTC [+]
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08:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00070512 = 3.3155 BTC [+]
08:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00070337 = 1.1957 BTC [-] {3}
08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00070545 = 2.0458 BTC [+]
09:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00070675 = 2.6857 BTC [+] {2}
09:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9589 @ 0.00070762 = 6.7854 BTC [+]
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09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00070774 = 2.5479 BTC [+] {2}
09:31 punkman https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3il1qw/new_bitcoincom_design_makes_it_look_like_cheap/
09:31 assbot New bitcoin.com design makes it look like cheap scam... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWuQ3O )
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09:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0007085 = 2.9757 BTC [+] {2}
10:01 mircea_popescu shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/Y33pn0E.jpg << ain't nobody's fault white people suck.
10:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnTCJ8 )
10:02 mircea_popescu assbot: New bitcoin.com design makes it look like cheap scam <<< because.... it .... is .
10:03 mircea_popescu who the fuck thought bitcoin.com was not a cheap scam at any point.
10:05 mircea_popescu "This will quickly change if you are one of us." << heh, check it out, dude wants slaves an' doesn't even know it. because a) slavery is not a thing in the us, right, the idea just came to him out of nowhere, not out of watching the sv muppets and making the next teeeny tinsy incremental stop and b) it's a really fucking great idea to go slave for a dude that doesn't even know that's what it is. 2nd best after going fo
10:05 mircea_popescu r a ride with some guy who doesn't know that's what you call it when you "push pedals in the car and stuff". what could possibly go wrong, other than everything (and you'll get blamed for it).
10:17 shinohai slavers gonna slave
10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00070389 = 1.3726 BTC [-]
10:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253275 << somebody could achieve great lulz by making a similar poster, featuring just as many folks who have raped usg and are still laughing all the way to the bank - the 'indicted' chinese army folks, bogachev, buncha others
10:20 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 11:55:07; punkman: http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/2001dualback_poster_100.jpg
10:25 asciilifeform http://www.coindesk.com/btcchina-support-gives-bip-100-bitcoin-hashrate-majority << ph0rk
10:25 assbot BTCChina Support Gives BIP 100 Bitcoin Hashrate Majority ... ( http://bit.ly/1Emwk7T )
10:26 asciilifeform srsly, the good cop/bad cop algo in use with the two 'bips' couldn't be more obvious
10:29 fluffypony yeah, but BIP 100 is still the lesser of two evils
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10:30 asciilifeform fluffypony: in the same sense as being anally expanded with a baseball bat is lesser evil vs. same with telephone pole
10:30 fluffypony lol
10:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-08-2015#1251870 << by all indications, they ~are~
10:32 assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 17:26:07; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that.
10:37 thestringpuller Not getting anally expanded at all is the ideal solution. Although it reminds me of the South Park game where you have to give Randy a fake abortion in which you abort one of his turds as to prove you are a doctor and he is a lady getting an abortion. Don't think this relevant...but you know.
10:43 kakobrekla >BTCChina will vote for a 2MB limit < afaik bitfury said same
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00071031 = 3.9422 BTC [+] {3}
10:44 kakobrekla ofc there that difference of talking the path and walking the path.
10:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00070111 = 1.8579 BTC [-]
10:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5014 @ 0.00070062 = 3.5129 BTC [-] {3}
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00071101 = 4.8704 BTC [+] {3}
11:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2305 @ 0.00071189 = 1.6409 BTC [+] {2}
11:25 kakobrekla speaking of segways https://video-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xtf1/v/t43.1792-2/11401912_10153582485911323_1753870945_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNH0%3D&rl=1500&vabr=835&oh=3e15a2f50bcdf56ceea84d1a457363d1&oe=55DF4A52
11:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00071259 = 8.9074 BTC [+]
11:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00071389 = 6.782 BTC [+] {3}
11:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00070025 = 3.1511 BTC [-]
11:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00071384 = 3.0695 BTC [+] {3}
12:04 punkman so this morning I call the closest laptop repair shop off the yellow pages, tell the guy I need so-and-so repaired and X,Y,Z removed. "you should come by so I can take a look at it", "I can come by this afternoon, will you have time to work on it while I'm there?" "yes".
12:06 punkman I went, agreed to price that was approaching cost of laptop, then he passes me a fucking form to fill out. "I'm not leaving the machine here, I have to be present" "oh never mind then, I can't help you".
12:06 punkman from the business in Luxor department.
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12:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3640 @ 0.00070025 = 2.5489 BTC [-]
12:31 punkman https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/08/17/raspberry-pi-hang-instruction/
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12:31 assbot Raspberry PI hang instruction | NowSecure Blogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PADy8v )
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00070723 = 4.8799 BTC [+] {2}
12:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00071419 = 4.3566 BTC [+] {2}
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00070025 = 2.2716 BTC [-]
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13:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00070636 = 1.8365 BTC [+]
13:13 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:16 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253326 << 'halt and catch fire' !
13:16 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 16:31:50; punkman: https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/08/17/raspberry-pi-hang-instruction/
13:19 mats ascii_field: have you ever actually looked at grsec mitigations?
13:20 ascii_field mats: aha
13:24 funkenstein_ http://www.theonion.com/video/onion-explains-global-nuclear-proliferation-51191 <-- support for http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
13:24 assbot Onion Explains: Global Nuclear Proliferation​ - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1EZXWKE )
13:24 assbot I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EZXUCF )
13:26 mats it seems log.b-a is dropping stuff, i can't find things from e.g. 02APR2015
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13:26 mats whos on that? mthreat?
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00070636 = 2.7195 BTC [+]
13:28 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNWXJmJWsAAiYna.jpg
13:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAjt1R )
13:29 mats anyway... [2015-04-02 16:59:20] <asciilifeform> mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. << UDEREF is about exploitation, not constraining the kernel
13:30 mats did quite a bit of reading today into various linux mitigations and it seems you didn't get that selinux/grsec RBAC are fundamentally about constraining usermode
13:30 ascii_field mats: i know what they are nominally about, yes
13:31 mats i'd also like to know what mitigations you think increase attack surface
13:32 ascii_field mats: that's easy: any and all of them which add complexity
13:32 ascii_field that is, add lines of code, or add effort necessary to understand per-line
13:32 mats does this exclude all of the compile time stuff?
13:32 ascii_field includes everything.
13:33 ascii_field everything that i might ever need to be exposed to to understand the whole of the system.
13:33 ascii_field and you don't get to say that i should not wish to do this.
13:34 ascii_field and by 'understand' i mean - if necessary - to recreate from piles of atoms sorted by mendeleev table position.
13:36 mats so: chroot, perf, ptrace hardening? increases complexity in your opinion?
13:36 ascii_field variably. but yes, they do.
13:36 ascii_field aslr certainly does
13:38 mats saying complexity increases to attack surface is a simplification at best and misleading at worst
13:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2430 @ 0.00070021 = 1.7015 BTC [-] {2}
13:39 mats complexity increases attack surface*
13:39 ascii_field but it does.
13:41 ascii_field mats: what's more, if this isn't immediately obvious, your concept of 'attack surface' is broken.
13:42 mats it is deceptively obvious.
13:47 mats there is a quantitative approach that can be taken, lets say:
13:48 mats the whole of the kernel's static call graph, and all possible entry points an attacker can utilize
13:48 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:48 mats and then there's the much less measurable thing i presume you're talking about, which is those leaks that result from 'fits in head'
13:48 ascii_field mats: no.
13:48 mats or rather, an inability to
13:48 ascii_field and my measure is exquisitely measurable
13:49 mats what then? klocs?
13:49 ascii_field how many bits of info it would take to teach a martian to build a copy of the machine.
13:49 ascii_field (assuming he knows of semiconduction and that's more or less it)
13:49 mats you make this so difficult
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13:49 ascii_field exquisitely easy.
13:49 ascii_field and weasel-proof.
13:51 mats why not suggest something that can actually be modeled
13:51 ascii_field i did.
13:52 ascii_field why should i let you set the ground rules ? i understand how transistor works, how vlsi is carried out; how to build cpu. why should i accept the idiocy soup as the bedrock abstraction ?
13:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00069911 = 3.0761 BTC [-]
13:55 mats because the way i see it, the thing that you describe maintains fluid form precisely to resist any kind of meaningful description
13:56 ascii_field mats: i have often named historical examples of 'fits in head.' but you choose to ignore them. why ?
13:56 ascii_field e.g. minix-1. msdos. bk-0010.
14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00069863 = 8.6281 BTC [-]
14:06 mats i'm bowled over by the thought that you believe that e.g. the 'msdos' security model is a good idea
14:06 ascii_field mats: don't conflate 'msdos complexity' for 'msdos security model'
14:07 ascii_field not to mention that 'msdos security' - if the thing is used as prescribed, single-task, non-networked apparatus - is very hard to beat.
14:09 mats despite living in a world where there are many computers to a person, folks still understandably want to be able to run more than a single application per computer
14:09 ascii_field 'consumers have come to expect !!!11!!!'
14:10 mats now who is conflating what
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1564 @ 0.00069911 = 1.0934 BTC [+]
14:12 ascii_field mats: picture if you had the unenviable task of teaching africans not to drink their own shit. now imagine you show up at the village and say, 'one must dig latrine pit on other side of the village from the well'. and they answer,
14:12 ascii_field 'folks still understandably want to drink water wherever they find it, and not have to walk far to the shitter'
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00069911 = 2.7615 BTC [+]
14:15 mats i am mindfucked by your argumentation and have nothing left to share
14:18 deedbot- [Qntra] Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork - http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/
14:18 mats this represents such a regression in so many ways i am unable to count them
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14:18 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:19 ascii_field mats: it is possible to build computer which ~genuinely~ isolates processes. just like it is possible to build indoor plumbing which reliably separates shitwater and drinking water.
14:20 ascii_field but you have to actually want to do this.
14:20 ascii_field it is of course much easier to drink shit while mumbling mitigat^H^H^Hincantations to the gods
14:21 BingoBoingo Versaille was a regression from do not shit in residence without removing shit.
14:21 trinque speaking as a fool, this seems like two gentlemen talking entirely at crossways. on the one hand, what do I do with all these monstrous linux machines I'm already using? (perhaps tape, if you have nothing else) and on the other hand, what would I build to replace the whole mess
14:21 trinque but isn't that right there in the word "mitigation"
14:21 trinque obviously rendering the thing mitigated impossible is better.
14:23 ascii_field trinque: specifically concerning process separation - the thing to do with existing machines is - 1 per task.
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14:23 ascii_field equivalent of well/latrine separation
14:24 ascii_field and this is discussed in mircea_popescu's 'airgap' article.
14:24 trinque I can see that point; we spoke of the human fuel gauge scenario recently
14:25 trinque or the person sitting with a serial terminal allowing or denying messages enter/exit the system
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00069911 = 2.6566 BTC [+]
14:25 trinque *of the
14:33 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253235 << the americans who stopped the guy shooting up a train in france received their legion of honor medals in...
14:33 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 07:38:34; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252784 <<< yet down under people believe a borderline retard was able to shoot up port arthur like a total fucking crack commando.. anyway this guy could've used a gopro instead of mobile phone
14:33 ben_vulpes khakis and polos.
14:35 gernika BingoBoingo: not sure if "compromise" vs. "comprise" was intentional or not. Also seems like the sentence starting with "As particulars..." is missing something. re: http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/
14:35 assbot Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ell7E5 )
14:37 BingoBoingo gernika: intentional, fixed
14:44 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The heir apparent. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/27/the-heir-apparent/
14:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3785 @ 0.00069745 = 2.6398 BTC [-] {3}
14:48 thestringpuller "Processing triggers for systemd" << i throw up when I see this at work
14:50 thestringpuller ;;later tell pete_dushenski Congratulations on the spawn! :D
14:50 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:55 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski Major props on the cloning effort
14:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3196 @ 0.00069911 = 2.2344 BTC [+]
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.0006966 = 3.3075 BTC [-] {4}
15:04 BingoBoingo https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/27/1ac5da6a88bf122fd5f9d82833075191.jpg
15:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIFUG1 )
15:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6835 @ 0.00070266 = 4.8027 BTC [+] {3}
15:15 kakobrekla "you spell like a girl"
15:16 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, boss
15:16 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1684 @ 0.00070532 = 1.1878 BTC [+]
15:30 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253340 < log ? impossibru
15:30 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 17:26:30; mats: it seems log.b-a is dropping stuff, i can't find things from e.g. 02APR2015
15:34 punkman http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/25/homeland-security-raids-rentboycom
15:34 assbot Homeland Security Raids Rentboy.com - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EnbmWl )
15:36 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNb2NMIWIAEwjn2.jpg
15:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EnbBRc )
15:37 punkman https://twitter.com/BurgerKing_GT/status/636967104944672768
15:42 kakobrekla as for the search, i know of at least one reasons that it should be resynced fully
15:48 mircea_popescu !up moonpunter
15:49 moonpunter ty
15:49 mircea_popescu sure. who're you ?
15:49 moonpunter what is assbot looking for, if i manage my keys with enigmail?
15:50 moonpunter paul madore
15:50 mircea_popescu it checks sks iirc.
15:50 mircea_popescu is your key listed ?
15:50 moonpunter one sec
15:50 moonpunter i just uploaded it there a few minutes ago. probably have to wait a bit.
15:51 mircea_popescu and jesus god trilema comments are something else. at the same time there's a woman telling me how incredibly right i was, and some derp telling me how incredibly wrong ~i'm going to be~. pointless and witless on parade, neverending, eternal.
15:51 mircea_popescu moonpunter give it like half hour or something yea.
15:51 moonpunter funkenstein_ might vouch/rate me :)
15:51 moonpunter in the meantime
15:53 mircea_popescu ok, that inadiquet thing rules. "i need feminism because i am stupid and white. if i were black i'd need rakim on a horse."
15:54 moonpunter i find it ironic that mike hearn is taking issue with people using the word "dictators" although he was originally the one who suggested that gavin be a benevolent dictator
15:55 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253304 << let them fragment. nobody cares, and no, neither is going to actually get implemented.
15:55 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 14:29:09; fluffypony: yeah, but BIP 100 is still the lesser of two evils
15:55 mircea_popescu the funny thing is that the usg is so very fucking convinced all the bs stuff it's powered by works in bitcoin too
15:55 mircea_popescu because "everywhere is here!!11" and so yeah, totally, astro turfing, "the controversy", "moving the window" and whatnot.
15:55 moonpunter transparency favors no authority but legitimate authority
15:55 mircea_popescu meanwhile bitcoin is still not for the poor, they can dance until they fall over for all the good it's gonna do.
15:56 mircea_popescu and THIS point MUST be actually verified in practice. and not only once, either.
15:56 mircea_popescu daily.
15:56 cazalla moonpunter, same paul madore that writes for cryptocoinsnews?
15:56 mircea_popescu moonpunter mike is too young to know exactly what is the fate of being in the us army. how you get bombed silly from all directions while trying to follow nonsensical directives.
15:56 mircea_popescu he should have been in vietnam.
15:57 * moonpunter is an iraq infantry vet
15:57 moonpunter but vietnam was a real war in my book.
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15:57 moonpunter well, real combat.
15:58 moonpunter "overwhelming force" doctrine made us feel more like cops on patrol than soldiers saving innocents.
15:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253324 << lol why not just buy a phillips screwdriver and be done with it ?
15:58 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 16:06:31; punkman: from the business in Luxor department.
15:58 mircea_popescu no repair shop does anything other than what you normally do with desktops
15:58 mircea_popescu but hey, the closed box folks managed to wrest an entire business space away from the user with the shitty screws./
15:59 mircea_popescu moonpunter ask an individual that participated. seven days a week consisted of bad leadership and getting pounded.
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0007094 = 4.2564 BTC [+] {2}
16:01 mircea_popescu mats / ascii_field the dispute you're engaged in looks to me like a failure to agree upon terminology. alf thinks in terms of "competent user". mitigation as generally discussed thinks in term of "usg-spawned monkey which was allowed at a keyboard for no conceivable reason". in this later case, hotgluing the usb hole is a valid mitigation technique.
16:01 mircea_popescu and in fact no mitigation thingee out there does anything else.
16:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253375 << it is formally simple. which is what he means by "easy", but also what easy eminently is not. formally simplest is always the hardest.
16:03 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 17:49:32; mats: you make this so difficult
16:04 mircea_popescu moonpunter aha! so you dispute the summary ?
16:04 punkman mircea_popescu: no repair shop does anything other than what you normally do with desktops << I couldn't readily repair this one at home
16:04 mircea_popescu can't find the part ?
16:04 mircea_popescu this is what they do you realise, order replacement parts ?
16:05 mircea_popescu nobody's sitting there with an amp meter and a soldering iron.
16:05 kakobrekla which usually cost more than the lappy itself
16:05 mircea_popescu depends, but often enough yeah.
16:05 moonpunter i just think he's ridiculous to take offense to people using a term he himself introduced. anyone with half a brain would never use a term like that and expect an intelligent group to not dissect and then turn it around on them.
16:05 mircea_popescu i suspect many laptops are sold in the manner of printers. except you pay for "service" instead of "cartridges"
16:05 punkman plenty of folks do soldering
16:06 mircea_popescu moonpunter that part for sure. then again his target aren't intelligent people, nor any people likely to try and think the matter through independently.
16:06 mircea_popescu but i'm more curious about how you view the vietnam thing in your own experience.
16:07 moonpunter the computer store up the block charged less for a 25 foot cable than to simply put the adapter on for me. annoying. came home and immediately bought a $8 tool off ebay.
16:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253398 << i'm curious to hear the list.
16:08 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 18:18:04; mats: this represents such a regression in so many ways i am unable to count them
16:11 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253407 << you blessfully ignore the part where THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD A CHAIR. you understand this, do you ? the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? the reason airbnb HAS TO exist is because if they can't sleep on each other's bike rags they can't "go to conferences" and prop up the whole word cloud ?
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16:11 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 18:23:50; ascii_field: trinque: specifically concerning process separation - the thing to do with existing machines is - 1 per task.
16:11 mircea_popescu what 1 per machine.
16:17 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
16:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 227.36, vol: 13303.28171619 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 223.94, vol: 7362.17955 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 227.52, vol: 12673.27965693 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.17, vol: 3.22033114 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 225.684697, vol: 18938.35790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 228.2126, vol: 227.69261178 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 233.552156519, vol: 47.87118763 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
16:18 BingoBoingo ;;more
16:18 gribble average: 226.3252532
16:20 kakobrekla > the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? < http://ads.newsbtc.com/www/images/43a8dcd005175d58a21a6d878f649391.gif
16:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KawT6V )
16:24 mircea_popescu check it out, <marquee> lives on!
16:33 mats i suppose we should define terminology, then: what does it mean for something to be 'single-task'? what abstraction level is non-arbitrary (or appropriate)?
16:34 mats shall we boot up a machine for every x server of every gui-level application we wish to run, because there is no such thing yet as gui-level isolation?
16:35 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg8ruhzlh5Q7AHg9o1_1280.jpg << all sorts of interesting assumptions in there, such as "the toiletries don't matter because we don't like to think about them, being puritans" ; or "even plants need multiple times their mass in nutrients over extended periods, but you'll fit your stuff in ONE cupboard alright". this all doiesn't much interest me, because while obvious to anyone thinking
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16:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaAQse )
16:35 mircea_popescu , it was certainly entirely obscure to the target. one point however was not : three people, two beds. so did they assume the immature human naturally sleeps in bed with her father or mother ? which of those two individuals aren't really separate in the thoughts of the intended viewer ?
16:36 mircea_popescu which of these three*
16:37 mircea_popescu mats i don't see a way to implement his scheme as anything but running dozens of machines to replace my desktop. which, in fairness, was one of the proposed approaches back in the 70s.
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16:37 mircea_popescu also in fairness, it didn't survive.
16:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6288 @ 0.00070805 = 4.4522 BTC [-] {3}
16:38 mats how does anybody meaningfully build on e.g. 'msdos' when it has only one operating mode, is purposed for a 'single-task', and doesn't blow up when some level of the abstraction (that by any reasonable person could be reasoned as multi-task if it is to do anything useful, e.g, graphics, networking, file system access!!1) has a bug in it?
16:40 mircea_popescu notably graphics is not multitask.
16:40 mircea_popescu to this day the array scans.
16:41 mats ok
16:42 mircea_popescu networking is chiefly multitasking because of the way it's implemented. but even in systems built to mt, there's a dedicated box added outside.
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16:42 mircea_popescu you could in principle then just have a dedicated process for single task networking.
16:42 mircea_popescu in short : contrary to what peoiple think, there is no actual scope for decisionmaking in systems design.
16:43 mats systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult
16:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00070726 = 1.2023 BTC [-] {2}
16:49 BingoBoingo From the derpolist https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010660.html
16:49 assbot [bitcoin-dev] BIPS proposal for implementing AML-KYC in bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1F0tqQK )
16:52 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:53 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253515 << if speaking of existing hardware, there is no shortage of 'computers' which cost pocket change and each can run just about anything one might care to
16:53 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 20:37:00; mircea_popescu: mats i don't see a way to implement his scheme as anything but running dozens of machines to replace my desktop. which, in fairness, was one of the proposed approaches back in the 70s.
16:53 ascii_field (e.g. pogo)
16:53 ascii_field and i'm not speaking of junkyard iron, either, but brand-new
16:54 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253511 << these hidey-holes were meant to house people for ~six weeks, while the hottest fallout clears
16:54 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 20:35:43; mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg8ruhzlh5Q7AHg9o1_1280.jpg << all sorts of interesting assumptions in there, such as "the toiletries don't matter because we don't like to think about them, being puritans" ; or "even plants need multiple times their mass in nutrients over extended periods, but you'll fit your stuff in ONE cupboard alright". this all doiesn't much interest me, because while obvious
16:54 mircea_popescu ascii_field im not too keep to manage a larger count of items.
16:55 ascii_field mircea_popescu: and that's how american houses got those toilet/washroom combos.
16:55 mircea_popescu ascii_field how much shit is produced in six weeks by a group of three people ? not counting the water it flushes with, just the shit.
16:55 ascii_field 'too many items'
16:55 mircea_popescu because it wouldn't fit in that stupid cupboard.
16:56 mircea_popescu and no. just look at all the "Whitegoods" and the proliferation thereof. usians love item count like they love their absent virility.
16:56 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it is no deep secret that the 'shelter industry' was largely part cargo-cult, part 'i wanna build a wine cellar without wife bitching'
16:56 ascii_field !s man cave
16:56 assbot 13 results for 'man cave' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=man+cave
16:57 mircea_popescu sure. but specifically what interests me there is, which two sleep in the same cot.
16:57 ascii_field so there is the imaginary reality of the sales pitch, but a separate physical reality of what these were used for.
16:57 ascii_field nobody sleeps in the fucking cot. the husband, if he's lucky, bangs secretary in that cot.
16:57 mircea_popescu but in the picture
16:58 ascii_field let's also put a flying unicorn in the picture.
16:58 mircea_popescu but they didn't.
16:58 mircea_popescu we don't get to alter artefacts.
17:00 ascii_field they put equally magical 'non-shitting princess'
17:01 mircea_popescu the girl (i think it's a girl ?) setting the table does not shit ? why's she get a plate then ?
17:01 mircea_popescu (and how convenient she's female - i'd like to see someone keep a 19yo guy pinned down with the old folks for six weeks.)
17:02 mircea_popescu (and yet he should be - in practical terms a population that spends x on sheltering women and x on sheltering men will fare ~35% worse than a population that just spends 2x on sheltering men. because women are for many reasos much much harider)
17:04 mircea_popescu (those reasons being chiefly that woman comes with fully formed ovules pre-packaged. an ovary is essentially a bunch of candy-wrapped m&ms, and her period consists of one of those wrappers being torn. whereas a male comes with a sperm CREATION mechanism. so if the male is damaged, the male is out. if the female is damaged she'll just ovulate a different skittle.)
17:05 mircea_popescu and if you think about it for a moment, it should be apparent why any sort of an alternative scheme wouldn't even work. given that yes, radiation is a fact of cosmos.
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2928 @ 0.00071219 = 2.0853 BTC [+] {2}
17:12 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg3c82oor24qNHcho1_500.jpg << people had trouble with the celltowers of 1915, too.
17:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAIFoY )
17:13 ascii_field !s cixi
17:13 assbot 11 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi
17:13 mircea_popescu "Electricity". like "Internet" and "Bitcoin"
17:14 ascii_field it took more than one electrocuted drunk to drive the point home
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00071519 = 3.7547 BTC [+] {4}
17:14 ascii_field (for added lulz, proper insulation was not yet discovered, cloth and tar were sop)
17:16 mircea_popescu tar was still used for insulation in 4.5V batteries when i was a kid. and the cells were paper wrapped.
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17:16 ascii_field same.
17:17 ascii_field it was ~the~ battery to me, aha
17:17 ascii_field still pissed they don't exist in usa
17:17 mircea_popescu also, here's your wish http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvfurmor6yhcEcrXFo1_400.jpg
17:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJ4rJ )
17:17 ascii_field nonshitting princess is on left hand of this photo.
17:18 mircea_popescu meanwhile in the famous enema drawing series : http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvh907x0sXdHTjQd9o1_1280.jpg
17:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJe2e )
17:19 mircea_popescu backed up princess is going to be unplugged.
17:22 mircea_popescu also, http://40.media.tumblr.com/pBOYZzcWxfulnz6tlpGAiKyno1_500.jpg << I need feminism for to STOP RAEP !
17:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJAFY )
17:22 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
17:24 mircea_popescu and yes this was an actual thing. behold the president/initiator : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Alice_Reighly.jpg
17:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJM8g )
17:24 mircea_popescu (do not click the above if you have any reason to suspect the glass in your monitor is weak)
17:26 * trinque dry-heaves
17:27 trinque denial's as old as history
17:28 mircea_popescu that's exactly the woman's problem, you know, how to not get fucked. seriously.
17:28 trinque how dare anyone suggest otherwise, in fact.
17:30 mircea_popescu meanwhile back at the ranch, http://41.media.tumblr.com/X6sh6C0oTfeip8s3wDHdObVSo1_1280.jpg
17:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAKlyT )
17:31 trinque guy's face is excellent
17:31 mircea_popescu girl's better imo.
17:31 trinque well for different reasons!
17:31 trinque lol
17:31 mircea_popescu notrly.
17:31 BingoBoingo From the lulz mines https://archive.is/GUHSD
17:31 assbot Clarity on the CoinTelegraph Speculation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAKsdI )
17:31 mircea_popescu she holds her own just fine, and she's on fucking stilts and backed against a wall.
17:32 mircea_popescu look at the narrow uneven shit she stands on, even
17:32 * trinque now notices the differences in posture
17:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no way im reading that nightmare in prose.
17:33 BingoBoingo That's fair' I didn't even read the whole thing either
17:33 mircea_popescu trinque which is why the man is humble, and squinting. he sees what you see and wonders how to go about it.
17:34 mircea_popescu this is also ~why~ you put young women on the fucking stilts and back them against the wall.
17:34 mircea_popescu and obviously, why the fat stupoid failures that protest lost before the game even begun.
17:34 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253499 << dunno which usa mircea_popescu was thinking of, but the one i live in contains bozos who shell out for $3k 'macbooks' etc.
17:34 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 20:11:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253407 << you blessfully ignore the part where THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD A CHAIR. you understand this, do you ? the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? the reason airbnb HAS TO exist is because if they can't sleep on each other's bike rags they can't "go to conferences" and prop up the whole word cloud ?
17:35 mircea_popescu the usa you live in, much like the argentina i live in, is wholly made up of people who buy the fucking yearl agendas on time.
17:35 trinque mircea_popescu: hm, yeah. the advantage of being able to drop a jaw by merely existing?
17:35 mircea_popescu what shell out? how many usians do you know that EVER owed 3k free and clear, in their hands ?
17:36 mircea_popescu trinque not at all!
17:36 trinque ah, then I don't follow
17:36 mircea_popescu not like it's going anywhere.
17:38 BingoBoingo <trinque> ah, then I don't follow << They "shell out" for macbooks the same way hamplanets do for "king ranch" credit
17:39 trinque streams are crossed; I was talking about the hot lady on the film set.
17:40 trinque I am well aquainted with the fake CEOs of the fake software industry, haha
17:40 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvfdmjf60uUub1jOvo1_500.jpg
17:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JALaYs )
17:40 mircea_popescu now showing... tarzan.
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17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3121 @ 0.00071559 = 2.2334 BTC [+]
17:50 mircea_popescu !up moonpunter
17:50 mircea_popescu !gettrust moonpunter
17:50 assbot moonpunter is not registered in WoT.
17:51 moonpunter still saying not valid, but as you can see in that link, i've uploaded the key...
17:51 mircea_popescu ...
17:52 kakobrekla run the command on chan
17:52 moonpunter !register 6310 C4E0 B0E9 7287 A3CF EBAD 8515 F76E ADCF D13C
17:52 assbot That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
17:52 kakobrekla remove spaces
17:53 moonpunter oh...
17:53 moonpunter !register 6310C4E0B0E97287A3CFEBAD8515F76EADCFD13C
17:53 assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6310C4E0B0E97287A3CFEBAD8515F76EADCFD13C. This may take a few moments.
17:53 assbot Key ADCFD13C / "phm (phm.link) <moonpunter@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
17:53 assbot Registration successful.
17:53 moonpunter typical /me retardation
17:53 moonpunter thank you
17:53 kakobrekla lots of folks fall in that hole. np.
17:55 BingoBoingo A few folks though fall into lots of holes
17:55 moonpunter i fall into k-holes
17:56 mircea_popescu !rate moonpunter 1 falls into holes.
17:56 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fa38f0f17d2d881
17:56 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.moonpunter.1:cba5be8d0eca0eeaf501a07aa95bf5e67f9be674da9491d8ad0f85d5df73db9f
17:56 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for moonpunter with note: falls into holes.
17:56 mircea_popescu ;;seen adlai
17:56 gribble adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 57 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Adlai> !down Adlai
17:56 mircea_popescu i guess that settles that.
17:56 mircea_popescu !unrate adlai
17:56 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7d9b6922425a4323
17:57 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.adlai:4815aef3f452efc113340bc91579662c4cb4c996da005dae934ec757866c19e8
17:57 assbot Successfully unrated adlai
17:57 mircea_popescu on the topic of falling into holes, the ability to back up the shit one comes up with being like the #1 requirement of manhood.
17:58 trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duvnXnA3Mh8 << k-hole anthem
17:58 assbot NOFX - Kids of the K-Hole - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAMIl9 )
17:59 moonpunter !rate mircea_popescu +1 [crypto wizard]
17:59 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/11887c8495319995
18:00 moonpunter was the + needless?
18:00 mircea_popescu wow, i thought the k-hole was some sort of play on r/K selection
18:00 kakobrekla and the square brackets.
18:00 moonpunter no, i was referring to ketamine
18:00 moonpunter followed Furthur for awhile a few years ago, before i got married
18:01 moonpunter long story.
18:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3540 @ 0.00071559 = 2.5332 BTC [+]
18:07 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/Lcum1L92Web7no2yW3aj1LMKo1_1280.jpg
18:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JANvCH )
18:08 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
18:09 ascii_field waiwut?!! Adlai pankakked ?!
18:10 ag3nt_zer0 good afternoon folks
18:10 ag3nt_zer0 ho goes it?
18:17 trinque ag3nt_zer0: afternoon. goes okay, yourself?
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3221 @ 0.00071469 = 2.302 BTC [-]
18:30 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: hey there going alright thx. just gettin home from the work
18:36 ag3nt_zer0 you know, i am thankful to have the chance to whisper some renegade think-for-yourselfisms into the impressionable ears of kids, through music nonetheless, but dude it doesn't take long in these classrooms to realize how fucked this country is by virtue of how undisciplined/spoiled rotten these kids are - relative to the soberness of student bodies in say china or india...
18:38 thestringpuller you talkin bout US?
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 this fucking kid yesterday: I have him count sing this simple 4-beat card - he does a pretty good job which I greet, perhaps shameful in restrospect, with enthusiasm... and then i say, "the only thing I would suggest could be better is holding the beats all the way through"
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 the kid says, age 6, "you are insulting me"
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18:39 ag3nt_zer0 lol
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 yeah US
18:39 * trinque googles trilema anal child, is shocked to find that every result lacks the word trilema
18:39 trinque well not shocked, but you know.
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 i said "no i'm not"
18:39 trinque ag3nt_zer0: when the food thing is empty, you scream
18:39 thestringpuller the spoiled phenomenon is a matter of circumstance in my opinion
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 he said "yes you are"
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 I say "go sit down"
18:39 ag3nt_zer0 haha
18:40 trinque when you have to shit, you just shit through the bottom of the cage
18:40 ag3nt_zer0 wtf
18:40 trinque isn't this what life is?
18:40 thestringpuller i know plenty of parents who came from the "the hood" and spoil their children now that they are well off
18:40 trinque oh and most importantly, if no one pays attention to you, you scream louder still
18:41 trinque not being paid attention to constantly is the most horrible thing that can happen to a person!
18:41 ag3nt_zer0 and all the admins running around alerting me to the endless list of "allergies" and sensitivity and "spectrum" issues that the little shits with their sick mothers dream up in the organic med aisle at whole foods
18:41 thestringpuller and this cant be a localized phenomenon in time and space there should be spoiled children throughout history and in many different places
18:42 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yes
18:42 ag3nt_zer0 thstringpuller: yes
18:43 trinque sure, there were spoiled children as there were turds throughout time
18:43 trinque what's done with them is the question
18:43 ag3nt_zer0 I hear in India that once a student is asked to leave a school... thats it, forever.
18:43 trinque ^
18:43 ag3nt_zer0 no more school, ever, for them
18:43 ag3nt_zer0 yeah wahst done with them
18:45 ag3nt_zer0 and I think i mentioned it earlier about the "positive discipline" plan these pussies follow... no raising of voice, no calling out kids on the spot, in other words all things that pput them in their place and establish that heirarchy are now "abusive" and outmoded because tradition = dumb - or whatever
18:46 ag3nt_zer0 anyway, Im in it for the money
18:47 trinque a dead body goes through all sorts of stages of rot, none of them reversible
18:49 ag3nt_zer0 http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/spoiled-kids-funny-pictures.jpg
18:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElJEsJ )
18:49 ag3nt_zer0 its really just the living reflection of their ugly-minded parents
18:50 gernika I wonder what is the sane mode of behavior for a child stuck in the public school system? Perhaps to make it work it actually is necessary to hit them and yell at them, but should it be made to work?
18:51 ag3nt_zer0 depnds on if the teacher has anything of value to pass on i suppose
18:51 ag3nt_zer0 most dont
18:51 ag3nt_zer0 so , no, it shouldnt be made to work and yes it makes sense thatr the kids are fucking retarded
18:52 ag3nt_zer0 or, insane
18:56 gernika I think I asked the wrong question actually - but I'm not sure how to put it in terms of causes instead of purposes.
18:57 mircea_popescu !up protn
18:57 protn :)
18:57 protn folks do u trade here?
18:57 protn btc and or shares, indexes
18:58 kakobrekla there are a few traders
18:58 mircea_popescu <ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D
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18:58 BingoBoingo Pretty much anything can be traded here.
18:58 mircea_popescu !rated protn
18:58 assbot protn is not registered in WoT.
18:58 mircea_popescu prolly best see to that first.
18:58 protn i mean not here
18:58 protn but overall
18:59 mircea_popescu you want to know if we trade here not here ?
18:59 protn lol
18:59 kakobrekla i trade also there.
19:00 mircea_popescu a rare case of win-win.
19:01 BingoBoingo !b 6
19:01 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3B5BWEP.txt )
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 8500 @ 0.00039 = 3.315 BTC [+]
19:03 mircea_popescu <gernika> I wonder what is the sane mode of behavior for a child stuck in the public school system? << what the black kids do. fuck all the girls in class by the age they're 14, and whether they want to or not.
19:03 mircea_popescu then move on.
19:03 kakobrekla !s bitfinex engine
19:03 assbot 0 results for 'bitfinex engine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitfinex+engine
19:03 mircea_popescu !s two cans and string
19:03 assbot 17 results for 'two cans and string' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=two+cans+and+string
19:03 mircea_popescu same principlex.
19:03 kakobrekla well a few days old still very lulzy https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3hnk8g/critical_issues_with_bitfinex_trading_engine/
19:03 assbot Critical issues with Bitfinex trading engine : BitcoinMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ6zCz )
19:05 mircea_popescu !up moonpunter
19:05 mircea_popescu no, you need to self-voice. pm assbot !up
19:05 BingoBoingo !down moonpunter
19:05 gernika mircea_popescu I suppose that's one thing you couldn't do in a private all boys boarding school as opposed to a public school.
19:06 mircea_popescu the all boys/all girls thing is beyond retarded anyway.
19:08 kakobrekla I have a friend that made like 120 BTC because he could buy really cheap Bitcoins during a past flashcrash. From those 120, he only got 20 out. Bitfinex told him: sorry there was a trading engine problem. You never really bought 120 Bitcoins.
19:08 kakobrekla forgot to add ">"
19:09 kakobrekla anyway, losses suck it up, winning trading engine issue
19:10 mircea_popescu it's quite obvious they won't pay the >10mn they owe on perfectly good claims to various users.
19:10 mircea_popescu this because the usg is a great expert at making claims and putting forth pretense, but can't generally pay a cup of coffee if it comes to it.
19:11 * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzy instance when "big deal" silicon valley firm wanted to talk but a) principals "didn't have the time" to come visit and b) they really didn't see "why i'd need" three first class tickets + hotel of "pick from this list" + the rest of the rider.
19:12 deedbot- [Trilema] The function and the functioning of art. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-function-and-the-functioning-of-art/
19:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00071559 = 5.6889 BTC [+]
19:14 gernika They were probably shocked you weren
19:14 * mircea_popescu was like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4
19:14 assbot Griffin Dunne v Dennis Hopper (Search and Destroy, 1995) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ8J5p )
19:14 gernika 't enticed by free soda
19:21 mircea_popescu if only more people drank the damned fizzy pop thing.
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00071559 = 3.5064 BTC [+]
19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00071559 = 3.7926 BTC [+]
19:50 asciilifeform 'Now I seriously think of moving to Argentina. This nation already survived the horrific default of 2001, military dictatorship, deindustrialization and various other calamities, and came through it all with its dignity intact. They know how to be poor but happy (unlike Russians) and without neuroses (unlike Americans)—I saw this with my own eyes.' (guest orlolz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/08/corn-madness-revisited.h
19:50 assbot ClubOrlov ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYs696 )
19:50 asciilifeform tml )
19:51 asciilifeform un minimo respeto por el trabajador!!!!11111
19:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253522 << must dig out this thread, because this is when i point out that the generalization of this principle - 'if it really has to happen all the time, it ought to have dedicated silicon' - is called 'dataflow computation'
19:55 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 20:42:00; mircea_popescu: networking is chiefly multitasking because of the way it's implemented. but even in systems built to mt, there's a dedicated box added outside.
19:55 asciilifeform and it exists in isolated instances in your computer right now. for instance, disk has own computer. as does your vga card, which, as mircea_popescu pointed out, must scan forever
19:56 asciilifeform walking a dual-ported ram again, again...
19:57 asciilifeform modern network chip is also implemented in quite the same way - it gets a chunk of memory to itself and drops incoming frames there, and waits for magic bit upon which it will crap out its buffer (also there) onto the wire
19:57 asciilifeform who does not believe this, can pick a favourite vendor and read the data sheet (or his kernel's driver for the item)
19:58 asciilifeform in 'dataflow' concept, your computer is actually a barrel full of very small computers. most of them perhaps idling at any given time.
19:59 asciilifeform the funniest thing is that, as described earlier, we already have this. in retarded form.
19:59 asciilifeform (where all but a handful of'em are entirely opaque and nonprogrammable, and, direly, not the least bit inspectable..)
20:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253471 << i know of a fella who was in gulf war I. his father looked down on him for not having suffered being taken prisoner in vietnam; his father's father looked down on the latter for not having been abused by north koreans in korean war captivity; and his uncle - for not having been in japanese prison camp in ww2.
20:03 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 19:57:22; moonpunter: but vietnam was a real war in my book.
20:03 asciilifeform *father's uncle
20:04 asciilifeform !up moonpunter
20:04 moonpunter ty
20:04 asciilifeform moonpunter: what happened to your key ?
20:04 moonpunter !up
20:04 asciilifeform moonpunter: message assbot instead
20:04 moonpunter did
20:04 moonpunter sorry
20:04 moonpunter no someone !downed me earlier
20:04 asciilifeform moonpunter: well yes, it was so you could test getting yourself up again
20:05 asciilifeform let's try that again
20:05 asciilifeform !down moonpunter
20:05 asciilifeform hm assbot down ?
20:05 asciilifeform kakobrekla ?
20:05 asciilifeform worx
20:05 kakobrekla oddly enough i got last 3 lines before 'worx' in the same half a second
20:07 kakobrekla mitm machines garbage collector at work
20:07 BingoBoingo <moonpunter> no someone !downed me earlier << Exactly why I did it
20:08 asciilifeform kakobrekla: appreciate, some monkey had to write them packetz down
20:08 asciilifeform with goose pen.
20:08 kakobrekla id hope.
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00071559 = 1.7174 BTC [+]
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00071469 = 1.5194 BTC [-]
20:13 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253567 >>> guess what, turns out one ~can~ still get these! even in usa! but not in the shop. look on www for 'MN1203' - which is apparently what they are called now.
20:13 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 21:16:31; mircea_popescu: tar was still used for insulation in 4.5V batteries when i was a kid. and the cells were paper wrapped.
20:14 asciilifeform ruinously expensive.
20:14 asciilifeform but can be had...
20:15 asciilifeform also, apparently, called 3LR12.
20:17 asciilifeform for american folks who've never seen one, it can be found on the far left-hand side of this photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_battery#/media/File:Batteries_comparison_4,5_D_C_AA_AAA_AAAA_A23_9V_CR2032_LR44_matchstick-1.jpeg
20:17 assbot Lantern battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYtwRd )
20:23 mircea_popescu didja manage yet moonpunter ?
20:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed they know how to be poor but happy. it works through being mentally retarded. they'd be equally happy if they were rich. they'd also be equally poor even if they were rich.
20:24 mircea_popescu in fact they WERE once rich.
20:24 mircea_popescu !up moonpunter
20:24 mircea_popescu ...
20:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i tell you honestly, if i actually had to run a retarded linux thing for each of these i'd strongly consider just giving up.
20:29 ag3nt_zer0 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253717 << fair enough... though this reaction of mine is likely related to the fact that I was once fired from a school district while subbing because a student reported that I called her an "idiot" - wasn't true; I was speaking of the classroom behavior as a whole, but mattered not to the spineless principle nor to my "mentor" (I was sub for him) - this was with 10 days to
20:29 assbot Logged on 27-08-2015 22:58:18; mircea_popescu: <ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D
20:29 kakobrekla that 4.5v - most often used in a handheld flash light here. some armies had those too afaik.
20:30 mircea_popescu pretty sure i saw the thing attached to miner's helmet
20:34 kakobrekla http://www.goarmy.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/9/C91C602C02335E09A4D70CFE057E226B.jpg
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20:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjhmEL )
20:36 * kakobrekla had a few such lamps
20:36 kakobrekla some predated me by many years.
20:37 mircea_popescu aha. me 2.
20:37 mircea_popescu btw, what time does sean connery show up at wimbledon ?
20:38 kakobrekla now you get hand held led lamps with instruction sets. literally you can upload your own firmware on it.
20:38 mats the ninjashogun ratings are hilarious
20:38 kakobrekla fuckin hell.
20:41 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQJeY2bVws << "the problem with your brother / is that he's always fucking your mother..."
20:41 assbot Pulp Razzamatazz - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYuRHy )
20:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/of-alf-interest.png << natural things that just happen. naturally.
20:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYuXii )
20:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1253815 << pretty sure the reich had those, even.
20:43 assbot Logged on 28-08-2015 00:34:50; kakobrekla: http://www.goarmy.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/9/C91C602C02335E09A4D70CFE057E226B.jpg
20:43 kakobrekla quite possibly
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! somehow i thought half-arsed ddos was 'the new normal' over there
20:44 asciilifeform and not just a sometimes-thursdays-thing
20:44 mircea_popescu so it is. has been. but occasionally extra-lulzy.
20:44 asciilifeform who knew k0smik rayz could http GET.
20:48 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the notable thing about those 'flat batteries' (what we called'em) was not where they were used, but the kid-friendliness (in the old sense of educative danger, rather than 'safety') - you could wrap wires around the terminals directly, even short'em across various objects to learn what happens
20:48 mircea_popescu or extract the manganese oxide
20:48 mircea_popescu with a hammer.
20:49 asciilifeform two or three of those, some wire, a glass of water, and you learn about gasses
20:49 asciilifeform or hammer
20:49 asciilifeform or, or, or.
20:49 mircea_popescu (and we called them "baterii patrate" = square batteries)
20:49 mircea_popescu and yes it was a major store of kid-value.
20:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: плоская батарейка
20:49 asciilifeform ('flat batt')
20:49 mircea_popescu ploska ahahaha
20:50 asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%8F_3R12#/media/File:Baterija_3336_USSR.jpg
20:50 assbot Батарея 3R12 — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYvfpp )
20:50 asciilifeform ^ right out of my brain
20:50 mircea_popescu word (in romanian) used to mean "drinking vessel carried on the person', in 1800.
20:50 mircea_popescu then it moved to mean enema bag / pee implement under bed for sick people.
20:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that'd be a плошка
20:50 asciilifeform (drinking vessel, that is)
20:50 kakobrekla ploska, yeah here we say 'ploščata' even
20:50 mircea_popescu certainly no sh in ro
20:55 asciilifeform the battery was a thing in su since 1950s
20:56 asciilifeform you could make a simple flashlight just from the battery, a lamp, and bit of electrician's tape.
20:56 asciilifeform try that with 'round'.
20:57 asciilifeform interestingly, in the '90s there was a shortage, and plastic pieces of shit where you could stuff 3 'aa'-style cells were sold. as substitute.
20:57 * asciilifeform had one
21:01 * mircea_popescu had girl make herself shocking device out of mono copper cable, duct tape and a dozen 1.5 volters. FOR PUNISHMENT
21:01 williamdunne For a good laugh, a socialist using words they don't understand. Particular lols around bogeymanning options contracts; www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mxebi_the-super-rich-and-us-episode-2_tv
21:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! in vietnam, it is said, bamboo tube would be filled with 1.5v cells (often given up for dead by americans)
21:02 asciilifeform and could run just about whatever (to a point. internal resistance of the cells eventually catches up with you)
21:02 mircea_popescu aha.
21:02 mircea_popescu could certainly run an electrically detonated detonator.
21:03 asciilifeform absolutely.
21:03 asciilifeform or radio set, even.
21:03 mircea_popescu or interrogation kit.
21:03 mircea_popescu (bamboo is evil as is. but with added weighht... gfl!)
21:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interrogators were - and afaik still are - old field-telephones, hand-cranked
21:04 asciilifeform and yes, can whack with the stick.
21:04 mircea_popescu kinetic not electric rocess.
21:04 asciilifeform l0l
21:04 mircea_popescu williamdunne i dun think the dailymotion demo is expected to comfortably arithmetic in head.
21:04 williamdunne Its from a BBC show, even worse
21:06 kakobrekla > but the kid-friendliness < shit, perhaps a mit student could actually successfully wire a lamp to it
21:06 asciilifeform was gonna say.
21:07 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/xTRrtPor3aht0hkx5tjliYQy_500.gif << lulzy.
21:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjnay5 )
21:08 asciilifeform !s autosaurus
21:08 assbot 3 results for 'autosaurus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=autosaurus
21:14 mircea_popescu and ima leave this here for nubsy. http://36.media.tumblr.com/2m8BXUfri9v6cgimXBzz5fwG_500.jpg
21:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYwDIL )
21:14 mircea_popescu i know its true because i readit
21:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc this is still Official Truth in usgdom
21:15 asciilifeform at least when i was a schoolboy it was.
21:15 mircea_popescu pretty sure it is, yeah.
21:17 mircea_popescu i wonder if there's going to be a Fatman superhero before the fall.
21:17 asciilifeform makes use of sumo ?
21:18 mircea_popescu well those never made any sense.
21:19 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv9rziploEl3x93AX_1280.jpg << anyone know who this is btw ?
21:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjpchD )
21:20 mircea_popescu hint : he's a tatar.
21:20 mats http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/britishborn-isis-hacker-killed-us-drone-strike-in-syria-kills-junaid-hussain-10474007.html
21:20 assbot Junaid Hussain: British-born Isis hacker killed following US drone strike in Syria - Middle East - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjpqFx )
21:22 asciilifeform mats: l0l re: the fella aiming with one eye
21:22 asciilifeform who actually does this.
21:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "currently compromise a bit more than 50%" << comprise ?
21:23 mircea_popescu and ftr, the notion that pools "represent" hashrate is rank nonsense.
21:23 BingoBoingo no, intended that way
21:23 mircea_popescu ah lol.
21:23 mircea_popescu both objectionswithdrawn in a major explosion of lols.
21:23 BingoBoingo because does not represent hashrate, merely authors blocks
21:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform EVERYONE.
21:23 asciilifeform no?
21:24 mircea_popescu i think it must have been in an old tv movie or something.
21:24 mircea_popescu watch 'em.
21:24 asciilifeform no shit, in movies yes
21:24 asciilifeform but in life.
21:24 asciilifeform where you actually have a rifle.
21:24 asciilifeform the kind that shoots
21:24 mircea_popescu the people in life are people from movies,
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21:24 mircea_popescu not people from life.
21:24 asciilifeform !b 10
21:24 assbot Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06PVCEF.txt )
21:26 mats asciilifeform: its not recommended, but you only rly need one eye to line up front and rear sightpost on target
21:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1442 @ 0.00071294 = 1.0281 BTC [-]
21:26 mats some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim
21:26 mircea_popescu human visual depth perception is so fucking terrible, if you're going to fire cable guided missiles you're better off placing two teams a mile apart and having team A guide missiles fired from B and vice-versa
21:26 mircea_popescu it then makes sense to close one eye on top of it.
21:26 mats never experienced it, so cannot verify
21:27 asciilifeform at dusk,
21:27 asciilifeform 2 eyes, 2x the light
21:27 asciilifeform (this is not subjectively obvious, on account of strange quirks of wetware)
21:27 BingoBoingo <mats> some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim << solution is hand yeilds to eye dominance. If left eye dominant shoot left handed.
21:28 mircea_popescu there are known and amply documented cases of mechanical sight misalignment that can't be detected with one eye
21:28 asciilifeform ^ and this
21:28 asciilifeform plus there are other things for which one might like a second eye
21:28 asciilifeform e.g., enemy in corner of field of vision
21:28 BingoBoingo ^
21:29 mats BingoBoingo: yeah. but then you run into instances where your weapon is designed to eject shells as though operator is right-handed, and then you catch third degree burns
21:29 mircea_popescu what sort of fucking gun is not adjustable by now
21:29 BingoBoingo mats: Then you either make sure the rifle was sane ahead of time or fuck the rifle
21:29 mircea_popescu srsly firing nagants ?
21:29 mats m4 series
21:30 asciilifeform i don't know of any modern rifle which has 2 ejector holes
21:30 mats how luxurious
21:30 BingoBoingo Or at least different plates available
21:31 asciilifeform for folks with some money, there are craftsmen who will make oddities like this
21:31 BingoBoingo Or if rifle is popular should be off the shelf commercial parts
21:33 mircea_popescu mats you sure about that ?!
21:33 mircea_popescu seems mindboggling to me.
21:33 mircea_popescu at least a deflector, something.
21:34 * asciilifeform whenever thinking of left-handers-in-the-army, always recalls the medieval spiral staircases which assumed that nobody with a sword will ever be left-handed
21:34 mats deflectors are a thing, but i've never seen a joe carry one for his personal weapon
21:34 mats commonly issued for crew-served and squad assault weapons
21:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00071294 = 2.0675 BTC [-]
21:40 mats i vaguely remember reading a field manual (M2?) where it is possible to adjust which side spits out the rounds but don't recall details, if moonpunter figures out gpg maybe he can tell me
21:42 BingoBoingo !up moonpunter
21:43 BingoBoingo moonpunter which part of the process is giving you issues?
21:46 moonpunter after i tell assbot to !up me i get a file to decrypt
21:47 moonpunter dunno what to do with the output i guess
21:47 BingoBoingo And you decrypt the file then tell assbot !v yourstringhere
21:47 moonpunter the whole string
21:48 BingoBoingo yes
21:48 BingoBoingo !down moonpunter
21:49 moonpunter vroom vroom
21:50 moonpunter M2 tank?
21:50 moonpunter m1
21:50 mats ma deuce
21:51 moonpunter i trained on us weapons and when i got to the real army i was attached to a mortar platoon, but i only ever dropped one mortar myself, which was pretty awesome
21:51 moonpunter we had humvees and mraps, cavalry is pretty lazy shit comparitvely
21:53 moonpunter i don't know about any artillery or most of the vehicles; i did maintain my humvee and i was the only truck in the platoon to never break down b/c i didn't mind annoying the mechanics
21:53 mats mos?
21:54 moonpunter 11b, infantry
21:54 moonpunter re-enlisted to go 25d but got a medical discharge before i ever went to school. they let me keep the bonus anyway.
21:55 moonpunter 25c or d, don't remember. radios. you'll never convince me to wrok in a military IT department.
21:55 moonpunter (25b)
21:56 mats what broke
21:56 mats knees?
21:57 moonpunter lower back and brain i guess
21:57 moonpunter wasn't my call.
21:58 moonpunter in fact on tuesday i had my final interview with the TDRL, they're moving me to permanent. oh well.
21:58 moonpunter "have you been arrested more than 5 times since discharge" etc
21:59 kakobrekla 5 times ??
21:59 moonpunter i've been arrested more than 10 times since discharge
21:59 moonpunter i actually have lost count, but three times last year by the same local dick.
22:00 kakobrekla perhaps arrested means something else that i think it means.
22:00 moonpunter it means going in the back of a car to jail
22:00 moonpunter usually it means paying some money to get out
22:00 kakobrekla oh, i was right then.
22:00 moonpunter sometimes they let you out on your own recognition that you are a drunk asshole
22:00 kakobrekla what the fuck are you doing ?
22:01 moonpunter the first time i pissed that cop off i was just telling off this lady that was rude to my wife. i live in a tourist town and we were downtown.
22:01 trinque what part of the country, if I may ask?
22:01 kakobrekla and you was arrested for that wtf
22:02 kakobrekla did you tell her with a gun or something?
22:02 moonpunter no
22:02 moonpunter that's what i don't get
22:02 moonpunter my only felony was for telling someone to get off my driveway
22:02 moonpunter basically
22:02 moonpunter if you're drunk you're wrong. that's why i've all but quit drinking for the most part.
22:03 kakobrekla some crazy stuff
22:03 moonpunter i dunno. i've been a good boy since last year. got too many reasons now. new baby tomorrow morning. 8am delivery.
22:04 BingoBoingo moonpunter: You see my alleged misdemeanor case is being strung out for years because drunk is not wrong. Also prosecutor and police suck at this whole trying misdemeanor cases business.
22:05 moonpunter the justice system is retarded in general.
22:06 BingoBoingo Most things are retarded
22:07 moonpunter cops don't even know what laws they're enforcing, most of them act on emotion, professionalism lacking, institutional racism, extortionist tactics at the jail - $3.00 per minute for a phone call in 2014
22:07 trinque I know in certain places in Texas it's rather easy to get arrested for looking the wrong way, or being drunk in the wrong place.
22:07 trinque and admittedly as a white male, it doesn't apply to me much there.
22:07 trinque dallas in particular is rough.
22:08 moonpunter i've been through there dozens of times, right, on greyhound several, and everytime i've been to that greyhound station there's been an ambulance and a herd of cops. every time.
22:09 moonpunter mostly i just stay home nowadays. graced with virtual office type work. now and then i think about getting one of these cheap office spaces in town, but i'm fine living in my slippers and gym shorts.
22:09 BingoBoingo My personal standard for whether something should be a crime or not is Missouri's statewide ban on prosecution for merely being drunk in public. Missouri is more Texas than Texas in this regard.
22:10 moonpunter here in Arkansas if you have money you're basically a protected class. my previous landlord is getting away with theft and extortion on a weekly basis. he fucked up when he harassed my wife via text, she's going to sue, the cops said that would be the best way to deal with it.
22:11 moonpunter i mean we're not broke
22:11 moonpunter but we don't own a bunch of property
22:12 BingoBoingo Well, in most rural places it isn't just the money. It's whether you're the sort who should have money or not.
22:12 moonpunter i think the law should be blind to all existential things and apply to human action. if you harm another person in someway, violate their inalienable rights, that should be criminal, no matter who you are.
22:12 moonpunter good point, that
22:12 moonpunter "can i see some ID"
22:13 trinque can't really talk in terms of rights without some theory on how they'd be enforced
22:13 trinque I'm skeptical
22:14 trinque I certainly *personally* agree that there are frivolous reasons to judge a person.
22:14 trinque now, try enforcing that generally
22:14 trinque looks a lot like this glorious land of freedom we've got
22:14 trinque only recourse you have is to associate with sane individuals.
22:14 moonpunter well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.
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22:15 moonpunter trinque: agreed
22:15 trinque again, you're allowed what circumstances permit, and nothing more
22:17 mircea_popescu more like "you're allowed to defend yourself on your own property and that's it".
22:17 kakobrekla here not even that.
22:17 mircea_popescu simple enough to enforce. was the victim on the shooter's property ? fuck the victim, should buy more property next time.
22:17 trinque indeed
22:18 kakobrekla here i can not touch a burglar.
22:18 mircea_popescu i thought beating up burglar is traditional there too ?
22:18 moonpunter thoreau wrote in depth about the value of the commons. i tend to defer to him. in mass. they say you have to call the cops before you can even think about defending yourself, even if the person is in your home.
22:18 * mircea_popescu does not live in mass.
22:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1836 @ 0.00071317 = 1.3094 BTC [+] {2}
22:20 kakobrekla nope and its a real pain. i know of a (a bit special) case where landlord can not get the lodger out. not legally. even if he doesnt pay.
22:20 kakobrekla can not turn off elect or water, not legal.
22:21 mircea_popescu ...
22:21 kakobrekla yeap
22:21 mircea_popescu nice socialist paradise you goit going somehow ?
22:21 kakobrekla yup
22:24 trinque "renter's rights"
22:24 asciilifeform meanwhile, at the l0lphactory,
22:24 trinque they've got all kinds of that here
22:24 asciilifeform https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/advice-to-a-young-social-scientist
22:24 assbot Advice to a young social scientist | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmYiwT )
22:24 kakobrekla can give more details later, off for now.
22:24 kakobrekla trinque not renter per se but 'human'
22:24 mircea_popescu anyway, the notion that the eu is any better than the us is lulzy.
22:24 trinque yeah, I've heard of the squatting thing too
22:24 mircea_popescu pretty much the same shithole.
22:24 trinque here
22:24 mircea_popescu except one's with languages.
22:24 trinque and um, nordic, something. I hear it's good.
22:25 mircea_popescu yeah, it's great.
22:25 moonpunter i signed a contract with the landlord, he violated it in several ways and attempted to violate it in more. he was disappointed when he figured out i didn't need his apartment, and most definitely stole some of my property left there before the move-out date, then lied to police about it. we don't need anymore laws protecting landlords where i live.
22:25 mircea_popescu and btw, the us gdp went up to 3 something while we were talking.
22:25 asciilifeform great 'while supplies last' (tm)
22:25 mircea_popescu was 2 something.
22:25 mircea_popescu how exactly they figure this washes is anyone's guess by this point. what growth ? the us has been contracting since 1995
22:25 kakobrekla in theory here you can go to a supermarket or a hotel or whatever, sit down in the middle and 'claim your space'.
22:26 asciilifeform <mircea_popescu> was 2 something <<< the unit being barrels of dried tobacco, or what
22:26 asciilifeform 'hog's head'
22:26 kakobrekla it will take a bunch of time and layerpower to get out out.
22:26 trinque the financial "news" lately has been chock-full of lol
22:26 kakobrekla you out*
22:26 mircea_popescu kakobrekla sounds like slovenia would do a lot better with more beatings.
22:26 trinque and it's telling how on-message the various supposedly distinct news outlets are
22:26 * mircea_popescu would fucking love to see this.
22:26 kakobrekla this is not limited to slovenia as far as i know.
22:27 trinque dow starts to plummet, suddenly oh, gdp's not so bad
22:27 trinque we forgot to carry the 1!
22:27 mircea_popescu romanian tradition of beating the shit of the burglar before calling police was still strong last i saw.
22:27 mircea_popescu historically, if you're too lousy to do it yourself the police hold him down and then check if you want to prosecute.
22:28 trinque some states here have a requirement that you attempt retreat first
22:28 mircea_popescu pretty sure serbia/ukraina are the same way
22:28 trinque so you can get shot in the back
22:29 mircea_popescu trinque the notion of not shooting an armed person is still very foreign to me. if you got a gun and i got a gun i AM killing you and then we can figure it out.
22:29 mircea_popescu incidentally, as i went to texas, they were just having a celebration in the little town, mayor was giving an old woman some award
22:29 trinque right, once weapons are involved, wtf are you supposed to do?
22:30 trinque or hell, just because the person entered the house. that's a threat.
22:30 mircea_popescu for she was in a diner and a guy tried to rob it, so the old woman got out a colt and blew the would-be robber's brain all over the wall
22:30 trinque good on her
22:30 mircea_popescu trinque i dun think i'd shoot random derp walking in.
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22:30 trinque sure, I've been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out
22:30 trinque but.. with 9mm in hand
22:30 trinque could be whoever
22:31 * mircea_popescu agrees with idea asciilifeform's linked article, still thinks very little of scott locklin.
22:31 asciilifeform didn't scott piss in mircea_popescu's tea once, or what was it.
22:31 asciilifeform gotta be a reason.
22:32 mircea_popescu i don't remember what exact "bitcoin jesus" nonsense he had in his schedule, but i do recall i made the judgement the person can not possibly be intellectually respectable.
22:33 asciilifeform aha i recall. somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) wrote to him re: bitcoin, and he answered 'fuck off, bitcoin's a pyramid' or something to that effect
22:33 mircea_popescu actually iirc HE wrote to me, and i told him to get fucked.
22:33 mircea_popescu !up roasbeef
22:33 asciilifeform l0l!
22:33 mircea_popescu i guess this is to be dug up now.
22:33 * asciilifeform digs ancient nodes
22:33 asciilifeform notes
22:33 asciilifeform lol
22:34 asciilifeform i read scott's stuff for some years, back when he wrote under pseudonym
22:34 mircea_popescu "This is much too far from an apology for your previous episode to count. Try again."
22:34 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/#selection-229.46-229.131
22:34 assbot How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRUbgH )
22:34 asciilifeform had some nifty stuff, mainly re: technological decline
22:34 asciilifeform and the demise of physics as an organized discipline
22:34 mircea_popescu guy failed to respond to challenge, got shitlisted.
22:34 mircea_popescu obviously.
22:34 asciilifeform (locklin was a disgruntled physics student)
22:34 mircea_popescu you'd think this sort of thing would be obvious to adult males.
22:34 mircea_popescu somehow, in anglo culture, it is not.
22:34 mircea_popescu i have nfi.
22:35 asciilifeform some folks just go away
22:35 mircea_popescu exactly.
22:35 mircea_popescu into the pot they go away.
22:35 mircea_popescu or what, you meant "they go away into a merry-merrry land where they lhea" ?
22:35 asciilifeform into somewhere, by definition unknown
22:36 asciilifeform could be - the pot
22:36 mircea_popescu i guess.
22:36 mircea_popescu as far as i'm concerned...
22:37 mircea_popescu but, that aside. the logical next step, after learning arithmetics, from a "i'd rather not be robbed blind by everyone i meet" is learning statistics.
22:37 asciilifeform trinque: ... been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out << i've lived in a 'burglary' street since last may - good share of the houses featured in city hall's 'crime map.' but for some reason nobody ever 'checked' my door
22:38 mircea_popescu and this very specifically means learning to avoid the numerous "learn statistics nao!" scamtraps, from bayesian bullshit to what have you.
22:38 trinque I have bums on the porch here all the goddamn time
22:38 trinque got a bike stolen a while back
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22:39 mircea_popescu how to annoy large dogs : while dog is in front and you're sitting in back seat, wait for it to stick its muzzle through the headrest, at which point put a strip of bacon flush on it. hide it once he withdraws. repeat.
22:39 trinque heh
22:40 mircea_popescu this psa brought to you by the pussycat association of cattycorner, wiltshire.
22:41 phf ;;later tell pete_dushenski congratulations!
22:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:41 asciilifeform in other nyooz,
22:41 asciilifeform 'v' now checks sigs correctly...
22:44 asciilifeform 'I have often heard learned psychology department dunderheads stating what the result of their paper will be, and instructing their underlings to mine the data for p-values. I suppose they may have thought themselves speaking over the heads of the rabble, since nobody else from their department was visible. Mind you, they did this in a public place, in a town which is filled to the nostrils with people with training in rigorou
22:44 asciilifeform s subjects, like, you know, me, the buxom Russian girl reading Dirac in the corner, the options trader eating a sandwich, and the girl pouring the coffee, who is studying mathematics. This indicates to me that such people are so abysmally stupid and unaware of their own deficiencies, they couldn’t achieve a scientific result if they actually tried to do so. Have a click on this link for the UCB psychology department: at lea
22:44 asciilifeform st two people on this list are complete scientific frauds. Probably, most of them are.'
22:44 asciilifeform (locklin)
22:44 asciilifeform 'Should I ever strike it rich enough to endow a foundation, I would pay legions of trained statisticians to go through the literature and eviscerate the mountains of bad “research” and arrive at the truth. If Universities were interested in advancing human knowledge, rather than circle jerks with a football team, they’d fund entire departments of people who do nothing but this.'
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00071299 = 2.852 BTC [-] {2}
22:46 mircea_popescu ftr, actual psychology also happens.
22:46 mircea_popescu much like actual programming except moreso.
22:47 mircea_popescu and this reads lots like "if i had money and brains i'd try to be alf and fix computing"
22:47 asciilifeform computing's easier
22:49 deedbot- [Qntra] Surviving a Transaction Flood - http://qntra.net/2015/08/surviving-a-transaction-flood/
22:49 mircea_popescu notrly. computing actually has to do something.
22:49 mircea_popescu a perfectly acceptable result of psychology, like of all scholarship, is "i have nfi"
22:49 asciilifeform i meant, easier in terms of resource.
22:50 asciilifeform i don't need a legion of anybody.
22:50 asciilifeform just food, roof, a bit of mains current.
22:50 mircea_popescu i didn't need a legion of anybody either. http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
22:50 assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE )
22:50 asciilifeform but you do. of legionaries. to impale the pseudoscientists.
22:51 asciilifeform (they don't, typically, have the decency to impale themselves)
22:51 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nice.
22:52 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thank you, also cpp is blockquoted
22:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform should i also impale the ugly/stupid women ? on my own dime ? what else ?
22:52 asciilifeform i mean, in the hypothetical scenario of 'cleaning the discipline'
22:53 mircea_popescu so in this perspective chemistry is only clean of alchemists because time offed them ?
22:53 mircea_popescu not because they're simply ignored ?
22:54 asciilifeform the phase transition is interesting in that there is a great interval where chemists, alchemists - coexist
22:55 asciilifeform (best defined as states of mind rather than the particulars of physical manipulations, which tend to be superficially very similar - and often enough, exactly identical)
22:55 mircea_popescu but this "coexistence" is a purely anthropological consideration.
22:55 asciilifeform naturally
22:56 mircea_popescu as far as i'm concerned, as the MD i'm not actually, the bizarro notions re "add" and whatnot inthe dsm make exactly 0 difference.
22:56 asciilifeform good example of discipline where 'alchemy' predominates
22:56 mircea_popescu yes, they matter for the bureaucrats who'd like to pass for mds, and which are presented as such by the state much like the guy in a white coat is presented as "a scientist" by advertising execs
22:56 mircea_popescu but...
22:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'girding you node infrastructure' -> 'girding your node infrastructure' ?
22:58 mircea_popescu !up eric
22:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ty fixed
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23:02 asciilifeform in other nyooz, Π(∀n) broke past 1GB
23:02 asciilifeform (an event of no practical consequence whatsoever)
23:02 mircea_popescu lol
23:03 * mircea_popescu suspects that we're actually the only ones to have the P
23:03 mircea_popescu but hey, we're also the only ones to want to have the P, because everyone else just needs summaries and narratives.
23:05 * asciilifeform zcat /var/log/........../access* | grep "prod.txt"
23:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: would you believe.
23:05 asciilifeform buncha folks!
23:05 asciilifeform who they are - i've no idea.
23:06 asciilifeform half a dozen or so complete fetches.
23:06 mircea_popescu o hey, not bad.
23:06 mircea_popescu sometimes /me is happy to be contradicted by events
23:06 * BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v
23:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: good news, you don't yet have to figure out 'v'
23:06 asciilifeform (i have not yet released it)
23:07 BingoBoingo Ah, that is good news.
23:07 asciilifeform gotta make damn sure that it behaves.
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23:07 asciilifeform incidentally, notion of wot in 'v' is a dir full of pubkeys
23:08 asciilifeform none of that 'import' and 'retrieve' idiocy
23:08 asciilifeform get the files. place in dir.
23:09 mircea_popescu ^
23:09 mircea_popescu very much exactly this. there's a line from me somewhere in log going "all i want to figure out is what keys"
23:09 asciilifeform patches live in another dir.
23:09 asciilifeform sigs - another.
23:09 asciilifeform this forms a 'v' workingset.
23:10 asciilifeform i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later.
23:10 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/#comment-46931 << Replying to our Nigerian Prince
23:10 assbot Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXjJu )
23:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think so fart you just might.
23:10 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later. << I though this is what danielpbarron does
23:13 asciilifeform thing does exactly three basic kinds of thing - verifies sigs; determines what subcoagulations of spittle in the spittoon are in fact in single strands; and permits operator to select individual strands, and cut'em (by whatever criteria, including signatories or combinations thereof)
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23:13 asciilifeform selections produce a buildable tree.
23:14 asciilifeform which corresponds to a particular set of leaf nodes in the dependencyflowgraph.
23:14 mircea_popescu so nice
23:14 asciilifeform a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.
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23:15 asciilifeform at any rate, it'll be a handy thing for folks such as hanbot.
23:16 asciilifeform (in the sense of, people who are not writing these, but desire to make some sense of what has been written.)
23:16 asciilifeform i have already written the 'mathematical' portion. which actually snarfs up and computers the graph flows, and checks sigs
23:17 asciilifeform but it still remains to me, to put human knobs on it.
23:17 asciilifeform so far it is ~one page, of 'python' prog. lang., if anyone has something else they would like to see it in, write to me
23:19 trinque really illustrates your "fits in head"
23:19 phf mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two. not that are you necessarily limited to a single task at a time, you can load a tsr to perform a handful of auxiliary task, like notes or calculator or whatever. i think that's how "widgets" were implemented in apple's system
23:19 phf 1 through 4
23:19 asciilifeform trinque: this is not accidental.
23:19 trinque certainly not!
23:19 trinque I am merely observing it.
23:19 asciilifeform phf: hp200lx dos machine does astonishing things with tsr
23:20 trinque git for example, sure, has a tree in it, which is to say the monstrously large pile of git concepts has a sort of tree-like structure in it, among myriad other things
23:20 * asciilifeform did not feel like 'truly knows how to program pc' until he wrote first tsr, as a boy
23:20 asciilifeform it did nothing of great enduring value
23:20 phf tsr is right of passage :)
23:20 asciilifeform trinque: importantly, 'v' is stateless other than the three directories spoken of earlier.
23:20 asciilifeform and, notably, never alters them
23:21 asciilifeform it can produce output, which one might at some point sign and place in 'patches' and 'sigs' respectively.
23:21 asciilifeform or, in the case of flow graph, examine visually.
23:21 asciilifeform or, when producing a buildable tree - build.
23:21 asciilifeform but never affects own inputs directly.
23:22 trinque mhm, functional
23:22 trinque it's quite a thing; I've worked under guys that demanded minimalism and it didn't hold a candle to this.
23:23 trinque shows it's not just minimalism that's to be sought, but precisely the right fit of concepts.
23:23 asciilifeform <phf> mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two... <<< this is how 'embedded' work is still done, and imho it is the correct way to program
23:24 asciilifeform trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'
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23:24 phf same for console development
23:24 asciilifeform in general, whenever one is programming for ~a whole machine~
23:24 asciilifeform phf: a number of folks here were introduced to the concept for the first time when they met with 'pogo'
23:25 asciilifeform (a small computer which is not ~quite~ large enough to comfortably run gcc on)
23:28 phf i think the idea makes sense for development in general, i mean "full stack" crowd approximates it by running a vm with the stack
23:28 asciilifeform this, as i understand, is done largely out of desperation
23:28 asciilifeform (in the logs one can learn that i suggested it to therealbitcoin folks)
23:29 phf keep shit in dedicated buckets, poor it from one into another
23:29 trinque ahemahemdocker
23:29 trinque latest incarnation of this
23:32 trinque you've got a giant wad of incomprehensible shit, so at least if you snapshot the turd at various life-stages you can return to one when you've screwed up everything
23:32 trinque that said I did target qemu for my gentoo builder, just to have a defined target at all
23:36 mircea_popescu <trinque> really illustrates your "fits in head" << i've seen his codework before and was very pleasantly impressed.
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