| 00:00 |
trinque |
processing incoming barf from other nodes, yes? |
| 00:00 |
trinque |
does it then write all messages to the db then start processing them? |
| 00:00 |
decimation |
I can't enumerate them all, but the network code, for instance, runs in a different thread than the db code for instace |
| 00:00 |
trinque |
I'm reading through the code, just trying to prime on whatever knowledge is handy |
| 00:00 |
decimation |
I'm not sure on that point, would need to read the code |
| 00:00 |
punkman |
you gotta read BDB code for those locks |
| 00:09 |
punkman |
"Blockchain.info is currently down for maintenance. For status updates please see Twitter. Apologies for any inconvenience. " |
| 00:09 |
punkman |
so they got wedged pretty bad? |
| 00:12 |
danielpbarron |
punkman, https://archive.is/kpf3y |
| 00:12 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGQjgF ) |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
ph0rk ?! |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
367850 here. |
| 00:22 |
trinque |
367876 << deedbot |
| 00:23 |
trinque |
2015-08-01_04:12:33.56149 |
| 00:23 |
trinque |
utc |
| 00:24 |
punkman |
trinque: is that still on btcd? |
| 00:25 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> ph0rk ?! << BDB exhaustion, upping maxlocks and DBobjects fixes |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
i see no such thing here |
| 00:25 |
trinque |
punkman: it is |
| 00:26 |
punkman |
BingoBoingo: so you have an unwedged 0.5.3? |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
no |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
they're all firmly wedged |
| 00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: Unwedged 0.7-ish stator still isn't anywhere near this sync'd yet |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
but i see nothing suggesting a db-related reason for it |
| 00:27 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: record setting numbers of transactions in blocks |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
sure |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
but the conclusion does not follow |
| 00:29 |
punkman |
danielpbarron: > Db::put: Cannot allocate memory << it's a bdb problem |
| 00:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Follows same way as in March 2013 |
| 00:31 |
decimation |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/07/31/in-historic-announcement-marine-corps-declares-controversial-f-35-ready-for-combat/ |
| 00:31 |
assbot |
The Marines say the controversial F-35 fighter is now ready for combat. Now what? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCd5HZ ) |
| 00:32 |
decimation |
"They also pointed out that the aircraft is still under development and that full production is not scheduled until 2019, 17 years after the program’s inception. And they wondered whether the Pentagon really need 2,443 of the planes “in light of countervailing pressure to reduce force structure to conserve resources.”" |
| 00:32 |
decimation |
as usual usg claims success early and often |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: grepping ~9GB of log takes a while... |
| 00:37 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I just upped the DB shit to 80000, backed up my blockchain, and recompiled |
| 00:37 |
BingoBoingo |
was very slow to eat 51, but it did |
| |
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| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ? |
| 00:38 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I think we just copied that number from some patch Luke-Jr pointed us to |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
i mean, wtf is with this hardcoded limit retardation |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
is it 1974 and we are at ibm, in fortran ? |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
and lists can be 500 members long |
| 00:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Kinda we are |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
i mean, yes, i haven't turned my death ray on db.cpp yet |
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| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
because - it worked |
| 00:39 |
BingoBoingo |
And then it didn't |
| 00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Luke-Jr |
| 00:41 |
* |
asciilifeform will answer when the greps output |
| 00:41 |
Luke-Jr |
asciilifeform: that's (partly) why we moved to LevelDB ;) |
| 00:41 |
BingoBoingo |
!down Luke-Jr |
| 00:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Imma go for a walk |
| 00:42 |
danielpbarron |
hahahahaha |
| 00:44 |
trinque |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ? |
| 00:44 |
trinque |
again, what is it doing locking that many records at once?!?! |
| 00:45 |
trinque |
at least in this conversation we *are* talking about databases; the above is insanely shit |
| 00:45 |
trinque |
40k of what |
| 00:45 |
trinque |
point me at it and I'll go kill |
| 00:46 |
trinque |
I modeled this thing with ben_vulpes one day on a whiteboard; the blockchain is not an impossibly complex data structure |
| 00:51 |
punkman |
this probably comes from derpy indexes and structures used by bitcoind, not the blockchain |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo - yes |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
Db::put: Cannot allocate memory |
| 01:06 |
* |
asciilifeform cleans chopping block |
| 01:07 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFW5gPlSJcE |
| 01:07 |
assbot |
Foodies Kill Their Food For The First Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYQ4hg ) |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
mod6, ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al: |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
achtung, panzerz!!! |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000138.html |
| 01:14 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB Locks Idiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYQuE4 ) |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
^ apparently doesn't work |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
do not use this patch! |
| 01:16 |
punkman |
max locks: " This value is used by DB_ENV->open to estimate how much space to allocate for various lock-table data structures" |
| 01:16 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform how exactly is it ~supposed~ to work ? |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
************************ |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
DbEnv::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ result |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
haste - makes waste. |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
what the max value that bdb will eat, remains unknown. |
| 01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's platform dependant |
| 01:17 |
punkman |
depends on available memory |
| 01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a mess in any case. |
| 01:18 |
cazalla |
punkman, what a lost generation, can't even kill a chicken without getting out their phone to post it on fkn instagram |
| 01:20 |
cazalla |
and they all give the expected response of "i'm gonna think about my food more often in future" instead of hey, imma get some chickens and do this at home |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
80000 runs... |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
i do not like this, at all. |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: bdb ~will~ have to die |
| 01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
<danielpbarron> the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire << bc.i gets caught in every fire. |
| 01:24 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> is it 1974 and we are at ibm, in fortran ? << just about. |
| 01:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22587 @ 0.00052902 = 11.949 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform lol. |
| 01:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 |
| 01:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 04-07-2015 22:20:58; ascii_modem: picture if we had pogos deployed |
| 01:25 |
mircea_popescu |
conversely : if bitcoind can not run in bdb, bitcoind is very poorly written |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
rather, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188263 |
| 01:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future. |
| 01:26 |
mircea_popescu |
but that does not excuse the pos bdb is. |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
this product is not suitable for orbiting rom |
| 01:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so it isn't. |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
and i will not take responsibility for it deployed in such. |
| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000. |
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| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
'incitatus' is a penIII with 512MB and will be shut down in the next week. |
| 01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
set_lk_max_locks 80000 you mean ? |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
and max_objects |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
received block 000000000000000004ca |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
REORGANIZE |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and lockers ? |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
^ lulzies |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
lockers ? |
| 01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
set_lk_max_lockers |
| 01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ftr i've been running set_lk_max_locks 2737000 set_lk_max_objects 1119200 since sometime in 2012. |
| 01:30 |
asciilifeform |
there are no 'set_lk_max_lockers' |
| 01:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"there are no" where ? |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
in the fucking source |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
there are set_lk_max_locks |
| 01:31 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: you'll have to add it |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
and set_lk_max_objects |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
and set_lg_max. |
| 01:31 |
mircea_popescu |
in the source of who ? |
| 01:31 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a bdb thing. |
| 01:32 |
mircea_popescu |
DB_CONFIG is a bdb config not a bitcoind config. |
| 01:32 |
punkman |
bitcoind does some bdb config |
| 01:32 |
* |
asciilifeform looks |
| 01:33 |
mircea_popescu |
so it does yes |
| 01:33 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it exists! |
| 01:33 |
asciilifeform |
what value didja use for it? |
| 01:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lol what, you thought i thought it didn't ? |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
same as objects, for no good reason. |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
thought it might be unique to mircea_popescu's pdpcoin |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
im not that snowflakey. |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
(might be a good reason but i forget if i ever knew) |
| 01:34 |
asciilifeform |
what was your lg_max ? |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
<mircea_popescu> ftr i've been running set_lk_max_locks 2737000 set_lk_max_objects 1119200 since sometime in 2012. < ? |
| 01:35 |
asciilifeform |
i don't see an lg_max here |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun think i set it |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway there's a reason for the magic numbers too, something to do with theoretical maximums of a 1mb block but i don't recall what THAT was either. |
| 01:36 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 50.244.13.28:58417 |
| 01:36 |
asciilifeform |
socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 |
| 01:36 |
asciilifeform |
aaaah |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
good old usg-actually-owning-the-fucking-net |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
************************ |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
EXCEPTION: 11DbException |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
Db::put: Cannot allocate memory |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
bitcoin in ProcessMessage() |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
ProcessMessage(block, 806004 bytes) FAILED |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
received block 0000000000000000076d |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
REORGANIZE |
| 01:37 |
asciilifeform |
^ on 80000 node |
| 01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway plenty of nodes stuck on 367885 it seems |
| 01:39 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: did you just get an alternate 367886? |
| 01:40 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: not accepted |
| 01:40 |
punkman |
err I meant 367851 |
| 01:40 |
punkman |
why does it reorg? |
| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
trying connection 195.211.154.159:8333 lastseen=-371779.9hrs |
| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
connect() failed after select(): Connection refused |
| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ftr. |
| 01:43 |
asciilifeform |
no shit |
| 01:43 |
asciilifeform |
i've been rebuilding it for the 3rd time now |
| 01:43 |
asciilifeform |
now running with mircea_popescu's constants |
| 01:44 |
asciilifeform |
as of 20 seconds ago. |
| 01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i see you. |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
ditto 'zoolag' |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
i do not like this. any of it. |
| 01:46 |
mircea_popescu |
taci si suge. |
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| 01:46 |
mircea_popescu |
dja know that joke ? |
| 01:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, 80000 did not stay big enough very long |
| 01:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: молчи и соси where i come from |
| 01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
little red riding hood and all ? |
| 01:47 |
asciilifeform |
received block 00000000000000000083 |
| 01:47 |
asciilifeform |
REORGANIZE |
| 01:47 |
asciilifeform |
connection timeout |
| 01:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: of course ! |
| 01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
win. |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
received block 00000000000000001139 |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
REORGANIZE |
| 01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
version 99992 lol |
| 01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
that's not one of ours is it ? |
| 01:51 |
asciilifeform |
not mine ! |
| 01:51 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> version 99992 lol << What's the rest of the version? |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty decent peer, lol. |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
claims height 367886 |
| 01:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Doesn't advertise version number? |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
disconnecting node 2.102.154.131:54232 |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
disconnecting node 82.130.102.211:55101 |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 177.98.234.40:61451 |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 71.10.186.176:35394 |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 23.236.50.177:42924 |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
disconnecting node 23.236.50.177:42924 |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
disconnecting node 71.10.186.176:35394 |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
disconnecting node 177.98.234.40:61451 |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 128.199.191.82:33957 |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
disconnecting node 128.199.191.82:33957 |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 130.211.127.4:54148 |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
socket closed |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
^^^^ usg sinkholing ftw |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
zoolag is at 367887 |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
synced |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
im pretty certain said magic numbers actually make it impossible for a block to be crafted legally and still crash your bdb, soi there's that. |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
can't run such on a tiny system tho, obv. |
| 01:54 |
asciilifeform |
i'm not seeing any increase in baseline footprint |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc bdb just makes assumptions about what memory it may allocate and dies at the later time if they get contradicted |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
so you wouldn't see it now. |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
whjy use static buffers when one can be a danger to the system |
| 01:56 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> version 99992 lol << Was me. Since I dumped that debug.log took it down to rebuild with new identity. |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
o it was ? |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
another interesting discovery: when the 'socket closed' wedge state is in progress, 'getinfo' rpc wedges |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
for potentially infinite time |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
it would |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
(CRITICAL_SECTION_I_AM_A_WINBLOWZ_USING_TARD()) |
| 01:58 |
mircea_popescu |
wut ? |
| 01:58 |
asciilifeform |
thing's full of'em |
| 01:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 01:58 |
asciilifeform |
get stuck in one, and all threads perma-wedge |
| 01:58 |
asciilifeform |
like a 'python' proggy. |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll be indeed a hard task to explain to one's grandkids to what end does bitcoind actyually use threading |
| 02:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck it. Imma report a whole number version this time |
| 02:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html |
| 02:03 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i ) |
| 02:03 |
asciilifeform |
^ achtung, panzers! |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/55ea021f780d943cafd61a05a2cc2412/tumblr_n2bykb7IEI1rpyus3o1_1280.jpg |
| 02:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNsx2 ) |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
zoolag is synced and operates normally |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
367888 |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
dulap is in nsa hell |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
once we have hard peering (~never-disconnectable~, encrypted links between trunk nodes) this kind of thing will go away. |
| 02:06 |
asciilifeform |
The Supernode Lifestyle ! (TM) (R) (rpietilla) |
| 02:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lawls |
| 02:10 |
asciilifeform |
'A gloomy ass one morning said / Unto his mate of board and bed: / "I am so dumb, you are so dumb, / Let us seek death together, come!" / As it turned out (and often will), / The two are blithely living still.' (c. morgenstern, engl. transl. of w. arndt) |
| 02:12 |
BingoBoingo |
lol bc.i fixed their shit and got constipated again |
| 02:12 |
mircea_popescu |
because they're running "the newest version" which "always works". in the sense of not. |
| 02:12 |
* |
BingoBoingo forgot that when you change versioning this whole thing wants rebuilt again |
| 02:12 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas proper bitcoin as released by actual foundation doth in fact always work. |
| 02:14 |
BingoBoingo |
I just have to wonder what idiocy is going to break everything the first weekend of September |
| 02:15 |
BingoBoingo |
This is 2 months in a row. Not quite a pattern, but almost one |
| 02:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i gotta confess watching the idjits squirm is kinda fun. |
| 02:16 |
BingoBoingo |
It really is. And who of all people would have suspected I'd be around and find a problem on a Friday night. |
| 02:16 |
BingoBoingo |
!up pete_dushenski |
| 02:16 |
asciilifeform |
'The Air once threatened to expire. / "Oh help me, help, celestial Sire," / She cried with sadly clouded gaze; "I'm stupid, torpid, in a daze, / You always know a way, Papa, / Send me on cruises, to a spa, / sour milk is counseled for the skin... / If not -- I'll call the Devil in!" / The Lord, not to be shamed by Air, / Invented "sound massage" for her. / We've had since then the world that SCREAMS. / And Air just rolls in it |
| 02:16 |
asciilifeform |
and beams.' |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, im bringing the original node back on to help along. |
| 02:17 |
pete_dushenski |
heyyo. thx BingoBoingo |
| 02:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i thought it was perma-wedged |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it was wedged to allow study of the wedge point. |
| 02:18 |
pete_dushenski |
so eatblock handled the magick fuzz block |
| 02:18 |
BingoBoingo |
electawedge |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much. |
| 02:18 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: There's a second one a bit later |
| 02:20 |
asciilifeform |
367890 (zoolag) |
| 02:20 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who is wedged - straight there. |
| 02:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Unwedged |
| 02:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.000537 = 6.3366 BTC [+] |
| 02:25 |
asciilifeform |
dulap unwedged. |
| 02:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fun times. |
| 02:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, this really upped my RAM usage |
| 02:29 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i see no such |
| 02:30 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: are you still using a random phoundation turd instead of therealbitcoin for your measurements ? |
| 02:30 |
mircea_popescu |
he was on 7.2 iirc |
| 02:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Random turd. Could be OpenBSD memory handling weird |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
lol now my node is getting teh silent intertubes treatment |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
we really should spring for better tubes, huh alf. |
| 02:31 |
asciilifeform |
367892 |
| 02:31 |
asciilifeform |
^ i'm 2 blox ahead of 'blockchain.info' |
| 02:31 |
asciilifeform |
(zoolag) |
| 02:32 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: aha. |
| 02:32 |
BingoBoingo |
367892 as well |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno where erryone else shops for intertubes that work |
| 02:32 |
asciilifeform |
at the very least, ought to have ciphered 24/7 circuits between the reptilia supernodez |
| 02:32 |
BingoBoingo |
At least I killed the orphanages earlier this week |
| 02:34 |
* |
BingoBoingo went from fairly stable 224-236 MB of ram usage to a very flat 986 MB the very flat makes me suspect OpenBSD weird |
| 02:34 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: much depends on mempool |
| 02:35 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i routinely see factor of 3-7 variations between my nodez |
| 02:35 |
BingoBoingo |
most of my debug.log is not allowing shit into mempool because insufficient fee |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation. |
| 02:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation. << It does for most things. |
| 02:36 |
mircea_popescu |
if my suspect is true, this very neatly shows openbsd as a superior os. |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
in this particular case, allocation should be forced. |
| 02:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Well malloc() tends to aggressively try to keep shit from running into each other |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
malloc or any other mechanism has no way out of "gimme 900mb" "only 600 here" "but you promised" |
| 02:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: malloc is dumb as ox : either ptr to the 900, or null. |
| 02:38 |
asciilifeform |
nothing more to it |
| 02:38 |
mircea_popescu |
right you are. |
| 02:38 |
mircea_popescu |
"gimme 900mb" "null" "but you promised" |
| 02:39 |
asciilifeform |
'wat,no i didn't' |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly. |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
but bdb has come to expect! |
| 02:40 |
asciilifeform |
accepted connection 108.45.93.76:54753 |
| 02:40 |
asciilifeform |
PROCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOT FOUND |
| 02:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ l0lzies |
| 02:41 |
BingoBoingo |
up to 989.4 MB so well within the pre-patching wiggle room. |
| 02:42 |
scoopbot_revived |
New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/ |
| 02:42 |
BingoBoingo |
With the rest of my stuff running atm I'm almose using 1/3 of my RAM for the first time since I've moved to OpenBSD |
| 02:44 |
asciilifeform |
dulap synced |
| 02:44 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-5.7/man3/calloc.3?query=malloc&sec=3&manpath=OpenBSD-5.7 |
| 02:44 |
assbot |
OpenBSD manual pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uek2C1 ) |
| 02:45 |
BingoBoingo |
OBSD does the probably placebo ASLR thing for better or worse |
| 02:47 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: your qntra piece contains mistake. 80000 sufficed for all of three minutes. |
| 02:47 |
asciilifeform |
(~1 block or so) |
| 02:47 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I made it further, but I also started 80000 sooner |
| 02:51 |
BingoBoingo |
And since reddit does not want Qntra's bounty of information https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/365629 |
| 02:51 |
assbot |
Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1UekNuL ) |
| 02:58 |
cazalla |
same mods there as /r/bitcoin BingoBoingo? |
| 02:58 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Just one in common that I know of. |
| 03:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Seems just as much of a shithole really |
| 03:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh and Qntra is now at 707 posts. It is now the biggest place a nuclear reactor housing can be expected to survive. |
| 03:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0005265 = 7.6079 BTC [-] |
| 03:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2471 @ 0.0005265 = 1.301 BTC [-] |
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| 03:48 |
cazalla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnS-05XoXs4 |
| 03:48 |
assbot |
Smokémon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SR9gPw ) |
| 03:53 |
shinohai |
http://i.moderniy.com/images/2015/07/26/sguF0i6.jpg <<< now I'm awake |
| 03:53 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IAApoq ) |
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| 04:27 |
shinohai |
kudos BingoBoingo for being prolific on qntra this week, I have had plenty to read. |
| 04:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2057 @ 0.0005265 = 1.083 BTC [-] |
| 04:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00051791 = 10.4877 BTC [-] {3} |
| 04:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00052346 = 1.8321 BTC [+] |
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| 05:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22182 @ 0.00051121 = 11.3397 BTC [-] |
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| 05:24 |
shinohai |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/crypto-activists-announce-vision-for-tor-exit-relay-in-every-library/ <<< yeah, let's encourage people to use a tor node located in a place that are generally funded by guv'ments. |
| 05:24 |
assbot |
Crypto activists announce vision for Tor exit relay in every library | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dguuow ) |
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| 05:42 |
cazalla |
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/29/executive-order-creating-national-strategic-computing-initiative |
| 05:42 |
assbot |
Executive Order -- Creating a National Strategic Computing Initiative | whitehouse.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgvXel ) |
| 05:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14643 @ 0.00052346 = 7.665 BTC [+] |
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| 06:11 |
kakobrekla |
was this posted before? transistorless memory coming up supposedly; http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology |
| 06:11 |
assbot |
Intel and Micron Produce Breakthrough Memory Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgyGVd ) |
| 06:20 |
jurov |
http://paralleluniver.se would be spiffy if she ever does stuff for eulora |
| 06:20 |
assbot |
Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dgzx8z ) |
| 06:21 |
jurov |
http://paralleluniver.se/post/109405235210 << already 3d model of mircea_popescu |
| 06:21 |
assbot |
Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgzyJq ) |
| 06:22 |
jurov |
http://paralleluniver.se/post/87004177465 hehehe |
| 06:22 |
assbot |
Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgzERf ) |
| 06:25 |
shinohai |
Evidently I need opengl before I can install Eulora |
| 06:36 |
chetty |
<jurov> http://paralleluniver.se/post/109405235210 << already 3d model of mircea_popescu// hahaha I love it |
| 06:36 |
assbot |
Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgzyJq ) |
| 06:36 |
chetty |
<shinohai> Evidently I need opengl before I can install Eulora// yup |
| 06:36 |
shinohai |
needs moar scowl |
| 06:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00051428 = 16.2512 BTC [-] |
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| 06:53 |
Adlai |
shinohai: or an emacs/ncurses/framebuffer client |
| 06:53 |
shinohai |
I know dick about emacs :/ |
| 06:54 |
Adlai |
someday even alf will be able to play eulora on his http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2014#927000 |
| 06:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 17-11-2014 22:04:44; asciilifeform: drm glasses << http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 (scroll down to story) |
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| 07:35 |
shinohai |
!up Anonym0us |
| 07:36 |
Anonym0us |
tnx for voice :) |
| 07:36 |
shinohai |
np, register your GPG key with assbot and you can voice yourself |
| 07:37 |
Anonym0us |
someone has this nick :/ |
| 07:38 |
punkman |
shinohai: it doesn't work like that |
| 07:39 |
shinohai |
well punkman i know he has to get into wot |
| 07:39 |
PabloEscobar |
how is the syntax for registering ? |
| 07:39 |
punkman |
!help |
| 07:39 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 07:39 |
PabloEscobar |
!help |
| 07:39 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 07:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34177 @ 0.00052742 = 18.0256 BTC [+] {2} |
| 07:48 |
Adlai |
deedbot-: : http://dpaste.com/03VBY7N.txt |
| 07:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MZuGZ4 ) |
| 07:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00051221 = 12.4979 BTC [-] {4} |
| 07:49 |
shinohai |
I am going to need a dedicated box if I intend to play Eulora. Any suggestions? |
| 07:54 |
chetty |
shinohai, join the #eulora chan, best ask folks with experience so far :) |
| 07:55 |
shinohai |
I'm so retarded. I shulda known there was a dedi chan |
| 07:55 |
chetty |
:P |
| 07:56 |
Adlai |
no, you're retarted for not reading the logs |
| 07:57 |
shinohai |
I usually ignore/skip things to do with eulora. Only began to take an interest recently and started to search logs. |
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| 08:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00052256 = 3.684 BTC [+] |
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| 09:45 |
mircea_popescu |
bwaha jurov that kicks ass |
| 09:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00052256 = 17.3751 BTC [+] |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla interesting. tho i don't get enough from that article to figure out how the fuck it'd work |
| 09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"Following more than a decade of research and development, 3D XPoint technology was built from the ground up to address the need for non-volatile, high-performance, high-endurance and high-capacity storage and memory at an affordable cost." |
| 09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean what the shit is this even. |
| 09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought it was built from the clouds down, honestly. |
| 09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
thanks intel for setting my heresy straight. |
| 09:49 |
kakobrekla |
dunno but apparently they have working wafers |
| 09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
!up letstrythis |
| 09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
good for 'em... i wonder if this is the glass thing being discussed for the past year |
| 09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
only real clue being the "non volatile" part |
| 09:53 |
kakobrekla |
good part seems to be that you can manipulate a single bit unlike flash. |
| 09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
seems mindblowing, non volatile yet non rom. |
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| 09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. |
| 10:00 |
mircea_popescu |
oh this is resistive memory. |
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| 10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly hafnium oxide, which should make the world situation ever more interesting. |
| 10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
this century will be the rare earths century. |
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| 10:09 |
mircea_popescu |
(brazil and australia pretty much own the known hf supply atm). in any case, pretty fucking weird that goldbugs and silverheads still insist with their "precious" metals. they're useless. pm freaks of 2015 really should collect hf. cerium. lanthanum. europium. etc. |
| 10:11 |
decimation |
gold makes excellent electrical contacts |
| 10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
europium phosphates for instance are still to this day the only way to get a decent red. |
| 10:11 |
decimation |
silver is pointless as a monetary metal - too common with too many reserves |
| 10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?) |
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| 10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and dielectric properties. |
| 10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
those are the two main things. |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly should say "dielectric secondary properties". |
| 10:12 |
decimation |
yes, this is true. you need a supply of gold for electronics certainly, but it need not be huge |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
and it need not be gold. |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
for instance - platinum's even better. |
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| 10:13 |
decimation |
yeah you can use aluminium to bond wires |
| 10:13 |
decimation |
silver too |
| 10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
or doctored graphite |
| 10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just not a bottleneck atm. sure, maybe it will become. who knew, in the 60s, that mountain pass thing in pasadena would be the most strategically important place in all the us. |
| 10:13 |
decimation |
apparently palladium coated copper is used too |
| 10:14 |
decimation |
gold is nice because it doesn't oxidize, just sits |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, nice. |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile every time china cuts quotas, the futures go into 10x explosions. |
| 10:15 |
decimation |
http://www.pcworld.com/article/214938/us_rare_earth_mine_resumes_active_mining.html |
| 10:15 |
assbot |
U.S. Rare Earth Mine Resumes Active Mining | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSPNRO ) |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and you simply can't beat a value proposition like "either have europium or not be able to display the color red - it's that simple". |
| 10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
mmmyeah. |
| 10:17 |
decimation |
http://www.molycorp.com/products |
| 10:17 |
assbot |
Molycorp | Our Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSQ1IJ ) |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc obama even whined at the wtc about china rare earth policy |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
they laughed at him. |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow his international relations failures when being humiliated by putin in public are widely discussed |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
but his much more important failures when trying to preserve soime sort of future for that country get ignored throughout. |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
a well. |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody yet wanted to be africa and failed to get its wish. |
| 10:19 |
decimation |
yarvin pointed out the amusing contrast between the us wanting to de-africanize africa and the chinese wanting to take its minerals |
| 10:19 |
decimation |
it seems the chinese approach is working out better for both parties |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal. |
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| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation soon to come to a strip mine/mall near you! |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
actually... |
| 10:21 |
decimation |
you can watch the california rare earth mine in operation! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id8hDUT5nHQ&list=UU96FUEp85Kk0PdKd9hp8jww |
| 10:21 |
assbot |
New California Rare Earth Facility Ramping Up Production - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSQH0M ) |
| 10:21 |
decimation |
WE R ENERGY EFFICIENT |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
strip/mine/mall. what eat/pray/love. |
| 10:22 |
decimation |
it looks like it was built to golden toilet standards, it'll be interesting to see how profitable it is |
| 10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
it is actually not unreasonable to overspend on sustainability when building a mine. |
| 10:23 |
decimation |
the challenge with rare earths isn't finding them or digging them up, it's sorting them and processing them |
| 10:23 |
decimation |
well, the us has lots of experience with blotted landscapes due to mining |
| 10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. the fact that they can't currently be extracted efficiently from electronics scrap speaks volumes. |
| 10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise ocean extraction would almost be practicable. |
| 10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the trawlers that pretty much took all the fish, 1965-2015 can be refurbished to suck out the rare earths too, 2015-2065. |
| 10:24 |
decimation |
heh, or if we go 'full fission' U also |
| 10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt you'll ever be able to put up your gf's butt something that was inside a reactor core during your lifetime. |
| 10:26 |
decimation |
yeah, it's one of those 'we could safely use nuclear to supply electricty to everyone but we don't because reasons' situation |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
uhh |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
well in this case the reasons seem to be more like, "because it will kill you painfully." |
| 10:26 |
decimation |
heh no |
| 10:26 |
decimation |
who died because of fukashima? |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not serious are yo u? |
| 10:27 |
decimation |
yes, who died? |
| 10:28 |
decimation |
fission is by far the safest method of electricity production |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
is this a rehash of the entire russian song and dance about how "nobody died at chernobyl" ? |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
at least a dozen people died the first week. |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, just because japan's a colony and ukraine a colony of "the enemy" doesn |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
't make usg's shit not stink somehow, magically. |
| 10:29 |
punkman |
no "official" deaths |
| 10:29 |
decimation |
okay |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
but i will note for jurov's benefit exactly what the differences are between his great friend to the east and his great friend to the west. |
| 10:30 |
decimation |
http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_168.shtml < figure 24.11 shows death rates of electricity generation technologies |
| 10:30 |
assbot |
Ch 24 Page 168: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBxeNw ) |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
fission may well be the safest method of electricity production. that's not in discussion. a large part of WHY it is the safest involves not sticking bits of a reactor core inside you. |
| 10:31 |
decimation |
eh, as long it's just a little bit you'll be okay |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
(i have the math done on the difference between being exposed to a meltdown outside and being exposed to ingested material, if the obvious difference's aren't obvious i can dig it up) |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but it boils down to the simple fact that if you're a mile away your share of the sphere surface is tiny, whereas if you're surrounding the item, your share's 100%. distance is a much better insulator than mass, because distance goes into the formula ^3. and consequently you're better off a mile away from a ton's worth of criticality than with a gram of the stuff in your colon. |
| 10:33 |
decimation |
sure, but meanwhile all waste products are captured rather than being dumped into the atmosphere |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1600^3 / 1000^2 |
| 10:33 |
gribble |
Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1600**3 / 1000**2 |
| 10:34 |
gribble |
4096 |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
4kb times better off, to be specific. |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the idea was that somehow you create the hafnium you use in your laptop through a fission process that happened during your lifetime. |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what i was answering to. |
| 10:34 |
decimation |
ah yes that's a different matter |
| 10:35 |
decimation |
probably not gonna happen |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 10:35 |
decimation |
I was pointing out that if you are gonna such halfnium from seawater, might as well get some U too |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century. |
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| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
oh oh. |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
then i misunderstood what you were proposing. |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought you wanted it made the only way we know how to create elements atm. |
| 10:36 |
decimation |
because of this chart: http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_164.shtml |
| 10:36 |
assbot |
Ch 24 Page 164: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBynV6 ) |
| 10:37 |
decimation |
he's point is that you could suply 420 kWh per day per person in the entire world if you mined oceanic uranium and used fast breeders to maximally extract energy from it |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
the x per day bla bla figure is spurious. obviously there's a shitton of energy there. the problem is we don't yet have the filters. |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, perhaps getting there. |
| 10:38 |
decimation |
it's the only technology that (mostly) exists that could possibly give a 'european' level of energy use to the entire world |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this "from the clouds down" approach... who cares about "the entire world", srsly ? |
| 10:39 |
decimation |
heh well yeah. ultimately he's kinda a libertard |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. i always thought all the work in fine graphite fibers is really intended to do this, eventually. |
| 10:40 |
decimation |
yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
but in all fairness this thing, while in principle promising, is mroe than a few tweaks away. |
| 10:41 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing << Turns out lots are easy to make already, start a wood fire. |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile buying a kilogram bar of non radioactive rare earth metal is perfectly feasible as-is. |
| 10:44 |
decimation |
yes, not such a bad idea |
| 10:44 |
decimation |
if you are going with industrial usefuless, palladium or pt are also good metals to hold |
| 10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
my concern was more cultural, so to speak. here are these dudes, maybe 100k of them, all heads counted. they're mostly over 50 white men, who have for 30 years been buying and hoping. |
| 10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, during THAT EXACT INTERVAL, this set of 10-20 metals did EXACTLY what they had hoped their dead horse would do. |
| 10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
went up what, 10x a decade. easy. |
| 10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ? |
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| 10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it's pretty interesting a phenomenon. |
| 10:51 |
decimation |
yeah it's a good point. gold is double-edged because it's the thing everyone else is warehousing |
| 10:51 |
decimation |
which is good in the sense of 'could be traded' but bad in the sense of 'oh noes they are dumping onto the market' |
| 10:54 |
asciilifeform |
'dulap' and 'zoolag' synced still. |
| 10:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220735 << mram is 1) available from my usual suppliers for several years now 2) rather boring on account of costing considerably more than sram+eeprom+supercap+fallbackcontroller |
| 10:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:00:05; mircea_popescu: oh this is resistive memory. |
| 10:56 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: my poor node is only at 343k, seems to be syncing very slowly |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220737 << aaah no, that was the 20th. this one will be the ~lack of rare earths~ century. |
| 10:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:01:46; mircea_popescu: this century will be the rare earths century. |
| 10:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00053654 = 22.3201 BTC [+] {3} |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220733 << again, sop, for ages. |
| 10:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 13:54:11; mircea_popescu: seems mindblowing, non volatile yet non rom. |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220742 << i don't expect to live to see an ingot of hafnium in person. |
| 10:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:11:44; mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?) |
| 10:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220748 << mno. you need the ductility, for ic bonding wires |
| 10:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:12:51; mircea_popescu: for instance - platinum's even better. |
| 10:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: you can buy here (Hf) http://www.mateck.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=25&Itemid=3 |
| 10:59 |
assbot |
Hafnium ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBC0KS ) |
| 10:59 |
decimation |
486 eurobux for 100g in pieces |
| 10:59 |
asciilifeform |
not 100g of Hf |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
(do the arithmetic) |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, i am not equipped to test its purity (certainly not non-destructively !) |
| 11:00 |
decimation |
they claim 99.9% |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
this is why au has been a thing since ancient egypt - can test with almost bare hands, and refine with almost bare hands |
| 11:01 |
decimation |
^ |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
this is what makes it 'bitcoin-like' |
| 11:01 |
decimation |
as long as you are willing to melt it |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
go, test the hafnium. |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
!s gallium |
| 11:01 |
assbot |
27 results for 'gallium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gallium |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
^ element that is even more testable for purity with bare hands than au |
| 11:02 |
decimation |
platium & palladium need 3k F furnace |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220820 << you know, you ~can~ separate out the stable isotopes. |
| 11:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:35:30; mircea_popescu: that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century. |
| 11:05 |
scoopbot_revived |
Short Term Update: headed to $255 https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/short-term-update-headed-to-255/ |
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| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
(see also the old reactor gold thread) |
| 11:06 |
decimation |
yeah, but probably not economically |
| 11:06 |
asciilifeform |
not gold, no |
| 11:06 |
asciilifeform |
but rare earths - quite possibly. |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
the incentive for vendor to lie about this, is, obviously, there. but on other hand, if it functions as part of a semiconductor, it more or less ~has~ to be radiologically clean! |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
thinkaboutit |
| 11:07 |
decimation |
actually this is a side-effect of ramping up fission - it would increase the supply of random shit coming out of the reactor to study |
| 11:08 |
asciilifeform |
has to be ramped up soviet-style - with whiners told to go fuck a duck - rather than usg-style, where they somberly bury the spent rods in a coffin, with christian funeral |
| 11:08 |
decimation |
heh |
| 11:08 |
asciilifeform |
(then to have'em slowly leak into ground water somewhere) |
| 11:08 |
decimation |
yes, this is true, although I would prefer us safety record |
| 11:09 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: my understanding that the "U" dry storage casks are specially designed to be put into 'fast breeder' - for a time when usg comes to its sense |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
u.s. safety record of the final collapse period will quite likely make the su one look rather good in comparison. |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
in fairness it hasn't been studied too much yet. who knows. |
| 11:10 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220842 << paging tlp! the au folks aren't trying to win, they are trying to 'feel winners' |
| 11:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:47:17; mircea_popescu: yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ? |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes. the us is not only just as inclined to outright lie as the su was, it's also blessed with the gift of suck in the shape of a purely imbecile population. |
| 11:11 |
asciilifeform |
they imagine an aucalypse where their coinz are now the only valuable thing testable with your teeth, and thereby True Money (tm) |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the "resistance through culture" intellectuals still did a lot to mitigate the sort of damage discussed here |
| 11:12 |
asciilifeform |
american reactors are still, for instance, built in such a way as to be helpless in the face of a total shortage of diesel |
| 11:13 |
asciilifeform |
(laugh, but they depend on external current, which - in the event of interruption of the steam turbine, for whatever reason - is supplied with a diesel set) |
| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
"designed by americans" is quickly becoming the english equivalent of "marfa romaneasca" |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
not merely shit, but shit that's been trampled by monkeys. |
| 11:14 |
decimation |
there are american nuclear fission designs that depend only on gravity to stop reactions |
| 11:14 |
decimation |
they just aren't allowed to be built |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
the heart of the matter is that these things were built by folks who simply did not believe in collapse even as a theoretical possibility. |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
it shows. |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: aha. in uncle al's words, 'It Would Be Wrong!' |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
in precisely the same way as a cpu where buffer overflows don't happen |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
or a plastic for implants that is invisible to immune system (an uncle al product that was magicked out of existence by u.s. fda) |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
It Would Be Wrong, because Simply Not Done |
| 11:17 |
asciilifeform |
(because would disenfranchise and correctly lower into pederasty whole armies of human turds) |
| 11:17 |
decimation |
https://nuclear.gepower.com/build-a-plant/products/nuclear-power-plants-overview/esbwr.html |
| 11:17 |
assbot |
ESBWR (Economic Simplified Boiling Water Reactor) | GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBELM3 ) |
| 11:17 |
decimation |
who knows about its actual record in the field |
| 11:17 |
decimation |
but you are right, it could have been built 30 years ago instead of what we have today |
| 11:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/01/asia/bitcoin-mt-gox-karpeles-arrested << lulzies |
| 11:20 |
assbot |
Mt.Gox CEO Mark Karpeles arrested in Japan - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBFoVV ) |
| 11:21 |
decimation |
actually I bet a large number of existing plants could be converted over to this design |
| 11:21 |
decimation |
but that ain't gonna happen because it would cause $bil in paperwork to be generated |
| 11:25 |
trinque |
bahaha, fuck you Karpeles |
| 11:26 |
trinque |
gimme my 3.7 BTC you cunt |
| 11:26 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220771 << the main 'superiority metal' is: people whose hands grow out of some place other than their arses! one can make shells - and even very passable bullets, for small arms, out of even nylon. |
| 11:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 14:20:38; mircea_popescu: i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal. |
| 11:26 |
asciilifeform |
(they exist! can buy'em here.) |
| 11:29 |
decimation |
yes, the most lulzy thing about 'goldbug preppers' is their choice of a pile of metal vice actual people to help them in a time of need |
| 11:29 |
asciilifeform |
this, to be fair, is not usually a 'choice' |
| 11:30 |
asciilifeform |
get pile of metal - easy; get people - hard, for some - impossible |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol cnn quotes qntra or what |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"they found it on teh intertnet" |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
who was it who lifted a piece wholesale? 'forbes' ? |
| |
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| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
whatever came of that |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
same thing that came out of the "hey, you're defrauding maryland u" email. |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1085971 |
| 11:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 03-04-2015 04:14:29; mircea_popescu: cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue. |
| 11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
id est : nothing ~yet~. |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
and as i said then, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085974 |
| 11:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 03-04-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: will be magicked away with magic rays. |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing gets "magicked away with magic rays". they can shove their hands in ears all the way to the elbow, i'm getting all my pounds of flesh. |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
well, the maryland folks landed a few $mil in grantola straight from usg treasury |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
they are saints now, from the point of view of state of md. |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
up until they aren't. |
| 11:55 |
asciilifeform |
as of now, their shit not only doesn't stink, but is made of monocrystalline diamond as far as the dean is concerned |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
up until it... isn't. |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
very precarious, all this. |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
all living things 'are until they aren't' |
| 11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 12:05 |
mod6 |
<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html << thanks all for helping with this lastnight |
| 12:05 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i ) |
| 12:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22533 @ 0.00053552 = 12.0669 BTC [-] |
| 12:12 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> u.s. safety record of the final collapse period will quite likely make the su one look rather good in comparison. << Calloway County plant in Missouri has made the news number of times this year for shutdowns related to declared non-radiological steam leaks. |
| 12:14 |
BingoBoingo |
On the other hand Bridgeton Missouri landfill which has perma underground fire spewing radio weird makes news |
| 12:18 |
BingoBoingo |
!up erg_ |
| 12:18 |
scoopbot_revived |
Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-july-2015-statement/ |
| 12:18 |
jurov |
u.s. safety record will differ from su only cuz media coverage |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, media coverage is the point of most similarity. |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
both pravdas lying through the teeth turned up to 11. |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the main point of difference is that the soviets at least had some still functional brainparts. |
| 12:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Also US really doesn't do much in the way of putting spent fuel in coffins, Tends to leave it swimming in pools, just outside of reactor housings |
| 12:33 |
BingoBoingo |
!up alpalp |
| 12:42 |
jurov |
afaik no one is really seriously depositing spent fuel deep into earth/oceans yet |
| 12:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00051501 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {4} |
| 12:42 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: other than jp ! |
| 12:44 |
jurov |
really? pediwiki says "The head of the Science Council of Japan’s expert panel has said Japan's seismic conditions makes it difficult to predict ground conditions over the necessary 100,000 years, so it will be impossible to convince the public of the safety of deep geological disposal." |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: in the ocean, rather |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
a good bit is already in. |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, this is an ~engineered~ political problem. breeder reactor can be used to eliminate long-lived waste. |
| 12:46 |
asciilifeform |
But It Would Be Wrong (TM) |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell jurov was there ever a http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src but for the bleeding edge tree ? |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeOaUH ) |
| 12:49 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 12:49 |
jurov |
what is bleeding edge? |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000135.html |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt3hQe ) |
| 12:50 |
jurov |
okay |
| 12:50 |
shinohai |
http://thehackernews.com/2015/07/bitdefender-hacked.html?m=1 <<< hue |
| 12:50 |
assbot |
AntiVirus Firm BitDefender Hacked; Turns Out Stored Passwords Are UnEncrypted ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeOrqu ) |
| 12:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Bitcoin foundation is serious now, Has two branches |
| 12:50 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: wai wut |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: jurov's original lxr has the naked 0.5.3 |
| 12:51 |
BingoBoingo |
The Bleeding branch and the stable one. |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: afaik there is no stable |
| 12:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 12:51 |
jurov |
no, i set it to 0/5/3/1 as default |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
there is the original 0.5.3 which explodes a few hrs after boot.. |
| 12:51 |
jurov |
at least i think so |
| 12:53 |
* |
BingoBoingo contemplates DNS and IRC snip on his 0.7 branch, wonders how much his 0.7 will look like 0.5 if the cutting continues |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: remind me again, what was in 0.7 that is missing in 0.5.3.x |
| 12:54 |
asciilifeform |
importprivkey ? |
| 12:54 |
BingoBoingo |
getpeerinfo |
| 12:54 |
BingoBoingo |
But now I'm just sticking with 0.7 for the learns |
| 12:54 |
shinohai |
it's no big deal bitcoind doesn't have importprivkey to me |
| 12:54 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: it's actually a pretty big deal to me |
| 12:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Herpity Derp Derp http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/#comment-36507 |
| 12:55 |
assbot |
New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBTiHF ) |
| 12:55 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: u don't just add keys manually ? |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: manually ? |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
how, with hex editor ? |
| 12:55 |
shinohai |
Using pywallet |
| 12:55 |
BingoBoingo |
pywallet isn't manually |
| 12:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Got to use hex editor on memory pages of running bitcoind |
| 12:56 |
shinohai |
hex editor feels clunkier to me :/ |
| 12:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Or you could tap the buttons on your computer's front panel |
| 12:57 |
jurov |
nah, point a gamma source toward ram |
| 12:57 |
BingoBoingo |
That works too |
| 12:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Gotta use a very fine source though, targets are very tiny |
| 13:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.0005363 = 9.3563 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-july-2015-statement/ << eulora makes money for s.mg, sorta, and players take home a chunk of loot. |
| 13:02 |
assbot |
MiniGame (S.MG), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBUpHi ) |
| 13:03 |
* |
mod6 looks |
| 13:03 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/#comment-36511 |
| 13:03 |
assbot |
New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBUueb ) |
| 13:05 |
BingoBoingo |
thank you asciilifeform |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
what's the latest on Luke-Jr anyway? who, precisely, does he muppet for |
| 13:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Seems to be since BFL typically still lower bidders |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the usual "i say words about words so please hire me" circus. |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
wai wut, he wurks for a living ?!! |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
mostly doing pest control or i don't remember what nonsense. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
something of the kind. |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
pest control >> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ll2H1ZJE4vs/TvTXLY8xtkI/AAAAAAAAWVc/GAD54RgYia8/s1600/mainnaked.jpg |
| 13:12 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HeSdQM ) |
| 13:12 |
* |
asciilifeform invariably thinks of ^, 'naked lunch' |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
!seen pierre_rochard |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen pierre_rochard |
| 13:12 |
gribble |
pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/ < that was fast |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell pierre_rochard I'm particularly curious to hear what you make of http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-july-2015-statement/#selection-379.202-379.283 |
| 13:13 |
assbot |
MiniGame (S.MG), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeSpzm ) |
| 13:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 13:14 |
asciilifeform |
btw, anyone feel like standing up a 'block explorer' gizmo based on therealbitcoin ? |
| 13:14 |
asciilifeform |
(or will this have to wait for my cloning and one of the clones to do it) |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
this could actually be a reasonably decent companion project. make a static html exporter companion for bitcoind |
| 13:15 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 13:15 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: like an insight explorer? |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
then everyone running a node can run that too, if they run a webserver. |
| 13:15 |
asciilifeform |
not entirely related, |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
keep the css off, results in minimal pages. |
| 13:15 |
asciilifeform |
this is when i point out that someone has been playing with phuctor |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if you can store 100gb of chain you can store 100mb of static html. |
| 13:16 |
shinohai |
I haz room |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
the current gcd algo in use has a pretty obvious shortcoming: if there is a phuctored key, such that it is the only key with a given known factor, |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
and dr. evil doesn't like it to be there, |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
he can take said factor, multiply by a new prime, and poof |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
it vanishes |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
huh ? |
| 13:17 |
scoopbot_revived |
MiniGame (S.MG), July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-july-2015-statement/ |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: because prior to gcd, we divide the product by the modulus, if the former is integer-divisible by the latter |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ok.. |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
this is to account for the modulus having been already submitted (if it has) |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
but it can also have the effect of removing two factors from the product that were ~not~ part of a single modulus |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
but rather, of two different ones. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
this is why the counter now shows 104 |
| 13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
well this isn't very smart then, is it. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
whereas at one point it showed 106. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the pill against this is for phuctoring to register as ~an event~ |
| 13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so it is. |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
creating a permanent record. |
| 13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
would help rss too |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
this is easily 10x the code |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
and requires rechurning the entire db |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
hence i have not had anything like the time to carry it out. |
| 13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
of course |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
it is, however, in the pipe. |
| 13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the shenanigans would come back out once a 2nd item is found |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
the reason i mention it now, |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
is that we ~have~ a permanent record. |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
the #b-a log!! |
| 13:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.000537 = 3.2489 BTC [+] |
| 13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
funny how that works. |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
anyone wants to score an easy qntra, find us the 'lucky winner' |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
who thought he could magick away a phuctored key |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
https://archive.is/PWrdD |
| 13:23 |
assbot |
Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBXoj6 ) |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
^ today's |
| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
aaaaand |
| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
we have our winnerz |
| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB#F79436B629322C70C523BAA5BE0D3D4DDA011578F84122B8CA3ABD15C52A9567 |
| 13:25 |
assbot |
Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeUHyt ) |
| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542#105DED03AF97CA6EDB6C41B47B7947A3B987A055C2756723E9C5671609CADB38 |
| 13:26 |
* |
asciilifeform falls down laughing |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
srsly, 'full spectrum dominance' idiots, you thought you would pull this off? |
| 13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
eh get out ? |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
did they think i don't have a record of the submitted tailored moduli ? |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
you left the tank empty deliberately didn't you. |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ips ? |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
what did you think, mircea_popescu. |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i think your stay in b-a has benefited you immensely :) |
| 13:27 |
* |
asciilifeform feeds squealing gnomes in cages, washes chopping block |
| 13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
aww. im sure it was just a researcher doing researching. |
| 13:28 |
asciilifeform |
these are just the two i found from naked eye inspection ! |
| 13:37 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: nothing coming out of those links for me atm |
| 13:38 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: ddos |
| 13:40 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: are you the one weird trick they don't want me to know? |
| 13:41 |
asciilifeform |
l0lwut |
| 13:41 |
trinque |
just banter |
| 13:41 |
trinque |
common spam line |
| 13:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00053735 = 1.5583 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:57 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 6 |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SC42BZ.txt ) |
| 14:02 |
jurov |
!t m f.mpif |
| 14:02 |
assbot |
Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? |
| 14:02 |
jurov |
!mpif |
| 14:02 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021519 B (Total: 427.54 B). Delta: 0.05 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha nsa is down ? |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=12884901891+ |
| 14:06 |
assbot |
17 results for '12884901891' - #bitcoin-assets search |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
64 bytes from archive.today (195.211.154.159): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=28.4 ms |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
seems fine |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it is up. was doing some hefty db queries |
| 14:07 |
mod6 |
Thanks all for working lastnight to get the db locks issue resolved! I've got a new bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2 bundle created. Patch added was `asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch'. Applies cleanly. All automated tests passed. |
| 14:08 |
mod6 |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz.sig |
| 14:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv ) |
| 14:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHz ) |
| 14:08 |
mod6 |
Sending out updated email to ML now. |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
neato mod6 |
| 14:08 |
mod6 |
thanks again asciilifeform, much appreciated. |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
sweet mod6 |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
66.249.75.214 - - [29/Jul/2015:19:06:47 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-" |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
66.249.75.222 - - [30/Jul/2015:02:24:46 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-" |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
66.249.75.206 - - [30/Jul/2015:08:31:05 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-" |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
66.249.75.222 - - [30/Jul/2015:14:21:36 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 502 172 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-" |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: I can regenerate that lcov output later today; I found it a nice way to read the source |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
^ does 'google bot' ~always~ try to submit formz !?!! |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
or just this one. |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
balls, I was scrolled up |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
anyhow, same goes |
| 14:12 |
trinque |
http://deedbot.org/stator-lcov/ << I'm not clear on why it split the output between "ourlibs" and the build directories |
| 14:12 |
assbot |
LCOV - coverage.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWI5T7 ) |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
aaand |
| 14:12 |
mod6 |
Note To Ubuntu 10.04 Testers: I've added a list of install depedantcies to this email to help any build of this go more smoothly. GnuPG should be installed by default so you can check the sigs. |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
66.249.75.222 - - [30/Jul/2015:17:27:37 +0300] "GET /redo/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-" |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
66.249.75.214 - - [30/Jul/2015:23:24:28 +0300] "GET /redo/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542? HTTP/1.1" 302 351 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-" |
| 14:12 |
trinque |
also, I've noticed the same, quite common for attacking bots to claim "googlebot" |
| 14:13 |
asciilifeform |
because ahahahaha, i wouldn't notice, right. |
| 14:13 |
asciilifeform |
because everyone is a muppet ? |
| 14:13 |
trinque |
you're just being indexed, citizen |
| 14:13 |
asciilifeform |
they're in genuine ip space of that firm, fwiw |
| 14:13 |
mod6 |
Any other Linux OS Testers: Steps will be gathered soon and will be updating as that information becomes available. |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: 'google' does not, as a matter of routine, push 'redo' button on every key |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
(if it had, the thing would be more or less unusable) |
| 14:14 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: being entirely sarcastic |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 14:14 |
trinque |
I dunno that I've ever seen a POST from googlebot |
| 14:14 |
trinque |
I am actually going to grep some logs and see if I have |
| 14:15 |
trinque |
well those are GETs, so who knows |
| 14:15 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, i left 'redo' and reset-of-gcd-to-1 a thing for a reason |
| 14:15 |
asciilifeform |
because some folks think they are oh-so-clever. |
| 14:15 |
jurov |
https://www.thumbtack.com/engineering/googlebot-makes-post-requests-via-ajax/ |
| 14:15 |
assbot |
Thumbtack Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWIh4S ) |
| 14:16 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: we aint got no js. |
| 14:16 |
trinque |
having it do anything other than passively snarf data is kinda rude |
| 14:16 |
punkman |
I have received POSTs from Google in the past |
| 14:17 |
jurov |
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.sk/2008/04/crawling-through-html-forms.html |
| 14:17 |
assbot |
Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Crawling through HTML forms ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWIiG2 ) |
| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
these were 'researchers' doing their 'research' through the world's largest sp4mz0r proxy (available only to aryans, of course) |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what makes you think that's a form posting ? |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just a get request. and google is pretty aggressive following all conceivable urls. |
| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
mno. |
| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
or ALL KEYS WOULD GET REDONE |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
<form action="/redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB"> |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
<div class=actions><input type=submit value="Retest Key"></div> |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
</form> |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-demands-google-extend-right-to-be-forgotten-to-global-domains/ <> http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ ? |
| 14:19 |
assbot |
France Demands Google Extend "Right to be Forgotten" to Global Domains | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWItAU ) |
| 14:19 |
assbot |
France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS ) |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, it clearly scraped the url from there |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
but it just tried to spider it |
| 14:20 |
asciilifeform |
why it and not every other ? |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i just checked, by going to nosuchlabs.com/redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? myself |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the result is that it sets it up for rechecking, yes, but i still only made a get req |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
well this is like asking why did the goat piss its left leg and not the right |
| 14:21 |
trinque |
it could have some "back off" logic after a 500 |
| 14:21 |
kakobrekla |
how about content=nofollow ? |
| 14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
is there an actual magic modulus submitted ? |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: still looking for such |
| 14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, if /redo/ has functionality it should be in robots.txt etc |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque i never saw a post from legit (by ip allocation) googlrbot. seen plenty from rogue agents using same user string |
| 14:23 |
ben_vulpes |
imagine my extreme disappointment when i cracked my email this morning, found a "bullet" for the locks, and opened it to find a config change. |
| 14:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i imagined that he of many hands had actually excised the locks. |
| 14:23 |
ben_vulpes |
then i read the logs. |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220396 |
| 14:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 04:39:08; asciilifeform: i mean, yes, i haven't turned my death ray on db.cpp yet |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lol excised the locks |
| 14:24 |
ben_vulpes |
myes, have read. |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform excise sag from tits and white from beard while at it |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
what point is beard except to show the white ! |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i gyess i don't understand how beards work |
| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
(anyone recall 'chessmaster' cover ?) |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 14:25 |
ben_vulpes |
isn't processmessages the only thread that writes to the db? |
| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.vintagecomputing.com/wp-content/images/chessmaster/chessmaster_2000_box_large.jpg << him |
| 14:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LWJ0CW ) |
| 14:27 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Fixed http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ |
| 14:27 |
assbot |
France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally – New Order | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS ) |
| 14:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Really need to start checking when news is just an update of shit that got qntra'd earlier |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: I had a bitch-fest about "why the fuck does anything on earth need 40k locks" and got crickets |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
something is obscenely wrong there |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
so it routinely tries to break the integrity of its own data to the tune of 10s of thousands |
| 14:32 |
trinque |
if bitcoind were intended to obscure the functioning of the bitcoin algorithm for as long as possible, it would've come out the same way |
| |
↖ |
| 14:38 |
trinque |
relatedly, my new hobby is reading wireshark logs of bitcoind's operation |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
the new phuctor, like it or not, will have to consist of static html updated at intervals. |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
the one we have now has been ddosed into more or less total uselessness |
| 14:45 |
ben_vulpes |
the fate of all useful things connected to the internet without mitigation |
| 14:45 |
ben_vulpes |
not getting ddosed? not useful. |
| 14:46 |
davout |
this ^ |
| 14:46 |
ben_vulpes |
hi davout |
| 14:47 |
trinque |
anyone give a shit about discussing cranking a magic number to 11 without discussing how the fuck it's using that many locks? |
| |
↖ |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: me. |
| 14:48 |
trinque |
I can spend the next couple weeks staring at all the db code, but if it's already been thought through by someone, I'm all ears |
| 14:48 |
* |
asciilifeform has been, very reluctantly, unravelling the bdb thing in his head today |
| 14:50 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: "many eyes" |
| 14:50 |
ben_vulpes |
don't worry about wasted effort. the more people who have it in their head, the better off la serenissima is. |
| 14:50 |
ben_vulpes |
besides, you'll need to write a bitcoind of your own some day anyways. |
| 14:51 |
davout |
ohai ben_vulpes et al. |
| 14:51 |
ben_vulpes |
how's life, davout? haven't seen you much of late. |
| 14:51 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: widespread use of indices to deal with the fact that berkdb... ain't a db? |
| 14:51 |
davout |
second kid arrived, private pilot license in progress 70% pretty much sums it up :-) |
| |
↖ |
| 14:52 |
trinque |
then parallel threads trying to dick with said indices? |
| 14:52 |
trinque |
aka lets invent a database while inventing bitcoind? |
| 14:52 |
ben_vulpes |
myeah. curse of the kv user. |
| 14:52 |
trinque |
that's what I'm seeing, just trying to measure my own sense of stink against others |
| 14:52 |
ben_vulpes |
similar to how all blublangs implement conditions poorly. |
| 14:53 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: it's a crime that there are no transaction indices or block indices. |
| 14:53 |
trinque |
should jsut be a separate concern entirely |
| 14:53 |
ben_vulpes |
(see asciilifeform's comment re upper bound of dumpblock) |
| 14:53 |
ben_vulpes |
davout: sounds like a lot of work. congrats etc. |
| 14:53 |
trinque |
where does the abstract logic of bitcoin end and the implementation of a shitty db begin |
| 14:53 |
trinque |
have fun kid, who knows! |
| 14:53 |
trinque |
haha |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: block indices are computed! because they are a function of longest-chain |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
thinkaboutit |
| 14:54 |
ben_vulpes |
$bizpartner took me up in a 2 seat glider the other weekend, after about .75 hrs of going in a circle to the right i asked to come down, was put on the stick and pedals instead. |
| 14:54 |
davout |
haha nice |
| 14:54 |
ben_vulpes |
shocking how quickly my equilibrium returned |
| 14:54 |
davout |
gliders are pretty high on my todo |
| 14:54 |
ben_vulpes |
it's like a surfboard for the sky! |
| 14:55 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: location of block on disk, though? |
| 14:55 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes proposes to move them on disk every reorg ? |
| 14:55 |
* |
ben_vulpes may be wrong, is undercaffinated, girl is stil making breakfast. |
| 14:55 |
ben_vulpes |
no no no |
| 14:55 |
trinque |
model all blocks |
| 14:55 |
trinque |
all paths |
| 14:55 |
trinque |
then have something pointing |
| 14:55 |
trinque |
like a version control system would do |
| 14:56 |
asciilifeform |
^ what we have now |
| 14:56 |
asciilifeform |
every block sits down on disk sequentially, and the db index thing points to indices |
| 14:57 |
ben_vulpes |
+ // this is O(n^2)... |
| 14:57 |
ben_vulpes |
+ // possibly could be improved if we descend from best height if requested height is closer to it |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: technically the comment is wrong, the operation is O(N) |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
getting ~all~ the blocks is O(n^2) |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
i did point this out shortly after posting it. |
| 14:58 |
ben_vulpes |
this is above my pay grade in terms of data structures, but perhaps an opportunity to learn. is there not a data structure available for use that doesn't have to iterate through the whole index to grab the element of interest? |
| 14:58 |
trinque |
just point at the end of all paths |
| 14:58 |
trinque |
and append-only |
| 14:58 |
trinque |
I cannot fathom what's hard in here, and I'm plainly asking to be called a moron, and why |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: try to understand why there is the index to begin with |
| 14:59 |
trinque |
git *is* this data structure |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
rather than 'take nth 1MB block from disk' |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
it is because reorgs |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
and also because varying sizes of block |
| |
↖ |
| 14:59 |
ben_vulpes |
myes, i follow. |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
really this is quite similar to everyone's file system. |
| 15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
what i do not understand is why it is necessary to iterate through mapblockindex. |
| 15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
probably an uninteresting question. |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: because gotta walk the chain to answer the question of 'who is nth block' |
| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
on account of it being a tree (with reorgs) rather than a mere linked list |
| 15:09 |
ben_vulpes |
hm |
| 15:09 |
ben_vulpes |
TODAY I DO BATTLE WITH PYTHONPATH |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
? |
| 15:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62515 @ 0.00051147 = 31.9745 BTC [-] |
| 15:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86416 @ 0.00052611 = 45.4643 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~ |
| 16:28 |
scoopbot_revived |
Looking in the ASCII mirror. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/01/looking-in-the-ascii-mirror/ |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 16:47 |
shinohai |
How long before asciilifeform invents phuctor for bitcoin |
| 16:48 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: long ago done, by other people |
| 16:48 |
shinohai |
o rly |
| 16:49 |
decimation |
it's depressing to kick off bitcoind and watch it balloon in memory |
| 16:51 |
Adlai |
$proxies |
| 16:51 |
Adlai |
no empyex :( |
| 16:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1526 |
| 16:57 |
assbot |
Loper OS » The Phuctored and the Phucked ... ( http://bit.ly/1gyIzn7 ) |
| 17:00 |
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Adlai wonders whether somebody misunderstood shinohai's question. |
| 17:00 |
Adlai |
although perhaps shinohai misunderstood ecdlp |
| 17:00 |
shinohai |
I think i did misunderstand. |
| 17:01 |
asciilifeform |
!s android rng |
| 17:01 |
assbot |
4 results for 'android rng' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=android+rng |
| 17:02 |
asciilifeform |
buncha folks used broken ecdsa which reused k-values, lost their coinz |
| 17:02 |
scoopbot_revived |
The Phuctored and the Phucked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1526 |
| 17:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00053767 = 29.5181 BTC [+] {4} |
| 17:06 |
shinohai |
I remember that abt reused k values and the android snafu for blockchain.info |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
aha. it. |
| 17:06 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: shinohai: long ago done, by other people << still being done every second of every day |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
naturally! |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
why on earth would they stop ?! |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
did people ever stop looking for gold watches on beaches ? |
| 17:07 |
asciilifeform |
for 'benjies' dropped on the sidewalk ? |
| 17:07 |
punkman |
and the whole HD wallet thing provides extra targets as well |
| 17:07 |
asciilifeform |
HD ? |
| 17:07 |
punkman |
(hierarchical deterministic) |
| 17:08 |
* |
Adlai finds, while trying to type out the difference between this hunt (rsa factor collision) and that (reused/predictable k-values), that it's quite elusive |
| 17:08 |
Adlai |
'it is mind that moves' |
| 17:08 |
punkman |
see also BIP0032 |
| 17:08 |
Adlai |
... how exactly? |
| 17:10 |
Apocalyptic |
punkman, care to explain your reasoning behind this claim ? |
| 17:11 |
asciilifeform |
and what is an 'HD' wallet ? |
| 17:11 |
shinohai |
wallets that look slick and get your coins lost |
| 17:11 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, it's a way of deriving addresses deterministically from an original seed using a HMAC function afaik |
| 17:11 |
shinohai |
I dont really like SPV wallets either |
| 17:12 |
punkman |
Apocalyptic: I have mentioned it here several times |
| 17:14 |
punkman |
lemme see if I can dig up thje links |
| 17:14 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: what is the point of this practice ? |
| 17:15 |
Apocalyptic |
punkman, I simply don't see the relationship between HMAC-derived addresses and the signature process, more specifically the k-value |
| 17:15 |
asciilifeform |
why not use a proper rng ? |
| 17:15 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#Abstract |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
bips/bip-0032.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZOkPA ) |
| 17:15 |
punkman |
also brainwallet with infinite change addresses |
| 17:15 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point |
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| 17:15 |
decimation |
! |
| 17:15 |
decimation |
you want a key without an rng? |
| 17:16 |
shinohai |
Am i alone here in hating on darkwallet too? |
| 17:16 |
asciilifeform |
i never understood the purpose of these perverse gymnastics |
| 17:16 |
Apocalyptic |
punkman, maybe HD wallet doesn't mean the same thing for you |
| 17:16 |
asciilifeform |
rng is so hard to come by ? |
| 17:16 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, proper rng ? |
| 17:16 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 17:17 |
asciilifeform |
if you're poor, you 1) don't need this 2) throw fucking dice |
| 17:17 |
Apocalyptic |
and if you're not poor, you buy a cardano I guess |
| 17:17 |
decimation |
maybe use that guy's ti-89 code for making key |
| 17:17 |
Adlai |
shinohai:you're not alone, fuck darkwallet |
| 17:17 |
shinohai |
use plain die |
| 17:17 |
asciilifeform |
not like there aren't rng available now |
| 17:17 |
Adlai |
it's already dead |
| 17:17 |
Adlai |
that's the problem |
| 17:18 |
Adlai |
dead, orphaned, yet somehow still losing idiot nickles |
| 17:18 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: part of the problem is, it's hard for folks to trust what's inside a black box without understanding what's inside |
| 17:18 |
shinohai |
thx Adlai too many people don't want bitcoin but an *app* for bitcoin |
| 17:18 |
asciilifeform |
and they understand prng ? |
| 17:19 |
Adlai |
punkman: fwiw i'm quite sure bip32 doesn't make your addresses less secure, provided you don't leak the key data |
| 17:19 |
decimation |
if you can't understand prng, how are they gonna understanding the elliptical key math, even if they supply their own dice numbers? |
| 17:19 |
Adlai |
it does mean that a leak compromises multiple addresses, but that's because they essentially have the same key |
| 17:19 |
decimation |
Adlai: so why bother? why not use just one key? |
| 17:20 |
decimation |
seems like it's a device to pull the wool in front of your own eyes |
| 17:21 |
jurov |
decimation: some people prefer to not have to maintain properly megabyte wallet.dat files |
| 17:22 |
jurov |
cold store the seed once and get as many addresses as desired |
| 17:22 |
decimation |
if you can cold store on seed, why not two? or N? |
| 17:23 |
Apocalyptic |
in other news from the factoring mines I managed to get the complete factorization of the shortest phuctored modulus so far: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5 |
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| 17:23 |
jurov |
decimation: you know how wallet.dat works? |
| 17:23 |
decimation |
not really, I try to avoid using it |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: neato |
| 17:23 |
jurov |
that you *must* back it up often or else? |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: what was it |
| 17:24 |
Apocalyptic |
Factors found: 3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, 111420520518095837785511104477004478326532328625274528915533121095387027488402286811845047880038390653384109 |
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| 17:24 |
Apocalyptic |
didn't investigate if they have a particular form in base 16 or 2 |
| 17:24 |
punkman |
Apocalyptic: found it. https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/848 |
| 17:24 |
assbot |
Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/848 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZPLh3 ) |
| 17:24 |
Adlai |
decimation: dunno, ask these guys... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058369 |
| 17:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-03-2015 22:01:09; assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer. |
| 17:25 |
Adlai |
decimation: you can "cold store" an infinite number of addresses in your head as a phrase,but only a finite number of distinct keys |
| 17:26 |
Apocalyptic |
punkman, can you be more specific and point me to a given page/chapter ? |
| 17:26 |
* |
Adlai is not advocating the use of "brainwallets" where you pick the phrase, but rather a phrase generated from randomness + wordlist |
| 17:26 |
jurov |
^ sop |
| 17:26 |
danielpbarron |
sounds like the deterministic thing comes from the already brain damaged desire to never reuse an address |
| 17:26 |
punkman |
Apocalyptic: eh, read the paper |
| 17:26 |
Apocalyptic |
also it's a paper from Courtois, who afaik has wrote many innacuracies about bitcoin |
| 17:27 |
Apocalyptic |
"One small security incident in a remote |
| 17:27 |
Apocalyptic |
corner of the system and everything collapses, all private keys can be re- |
| 17:27 |
Apocalyptic |
covered and ALL bitcoins within the remit of the system can be stolen. |
| 17:27 |
Apocalyptic |
Privilege escalation attacks on HD Wallet solutions are not new. In this |
| 17:27 |
Apocalyptic |
paper we take it much further." |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
re: rng: |
| 17:27 |
Apocalyptic |
(sorry for \n) punkman if this is their main point then it's moot wrt was I was asking |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
'The Die. A die complained: "I have not been / Quite comfortable in my skin. / Of my six planes, the sitting side, / And bore it but my single mark, / Must ever gaze, not far and wide, / But into earth's eternal dark." When earth beneath him heard the cube, / She very nearly blew a tube. / "You jackass," said she, "what a farce! / I'm dark when covered by your arse! / As soon as you will move the same, I'll shine as with a ge |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
m-like flame." / The die, insulted past repair, / Chose not to bandy words with her.' (Morgenstern, transl. by Arndt) |
| 17:27 |
Adlai |
"can be stolen by people who have the auditor keys" - don't expose mpub, period. bip32 is not designed for auditing [live] wallets |
| 17:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19809 @ 0.00051933 = 10.2874 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:28 |
Apocalyptic |
that is: the hierarchy-deterministic way of computing addresses doesn't weaken at all the signature |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
it weakens ~the whole shebang~ |
| 17:28 |
jurov |
danielpbarron: well, people like mp (or me) who want to sleep ad libitum and thus decided to accept coins, inveitably end up requiring $maxint addresses |
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| 17:28 |
Apocalyptic |
well sure it does |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
because the number of bits that must be learned by the enemy to take all of your coin - is smaller. |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
qed. |
| 17:29 |
punkman |
the point is idiots will lose their coins this way, dunno what else you want |
| 17:29 |
Adlai |
idiots losing coin is the root of all deflation |
| 17:30 |
Adlai |
although in the current market climate, theft may do the opposite |
| 17:30 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, if something strikes you as odd among these factors please do tell |
| 17:30 |
* |
Adlai is a big fan of "magic" HD wallets, that send your funds into obscure chains... spendable, if you know where to look |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: as far as i can tell, the factors found thus far all fit the profile of factors-of-randomly-chosen-integer |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
(we know that they are not randomly-chosen, at least in the case of the 'magic 32-bit copy' set. but otherwise, yes) |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: what did it take to obtain the factors ? |
| 17:33 |
Apocalyptic |
7556 iterations of gmp-ecm from inria with a B1 bound of 43e6 |
| 17:33 |
decimation |
I do feel sorry for jurov, being chained to bitcoind for key management |
| 17:33 |
shinohai |
I feel less and less guilty about ppl losing their bitcoin to alternative chains since coming here. |
| 17:33 |
Apocalyptic |
I did 4480 iterations at 11e6 prior to that which found nothing |
| 17:34 |
asciilifeform |
!rate Apocalyptic 2 Phuctorizations! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221347 |
| 17:34 |
assbot |
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| 17:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 21:24:00; Apocalyptic: Factors found: 3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, 111420520518095837785511104477004478326532328625274528915533121095387027488402286811845047880038390653384109 |
| 17:34 |
jurov |
decimation why do you think? |
| 17:34 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.Apocalyptic.2:9ac7a9923cd6cf276665477abbafe398736d65670519700c9f24c592027436c9 |
| 17:34 |
assbot |
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| 17:34 |
decimation |
jurov: I mean I look forward to the day when wallet.dat can be axed and an off-net computer be used to manage keys |
| 17:35 |
Apocalyptic |
thank you |
| 17:35 |
jurov |
i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed |
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| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
!rate trinque 1 therealbitcoin testing |
| 17:35 |
assbot |
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| 17:35 |
jurov |
process is everything |
| 17:35 |
decimation |
it is, from the point of view of "give enemy less informatin" |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.trinque.1:fec1f5b332f215f61d3f58699b2fc3f68a67b412f15a12da37b5f313c814e60a |
| 17:36 |
assbot |
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| 17:36 |
jurov |
decimation in this scenario eneby that gets wallet.dat has much more information than enemy that merely gets public key |
| 17:36 |
jurov |
devil is in the details |
| 17:37 |
decimation |
yeah, I understand |
| 17:37 |
asciilifeform |
!rate phf 1 ru lisper |
| 17:37 |
assbot |
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| 17:37 |
decimation |
which is why wallet.dat needs to die |
| 17:37 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.phf.1:f789621cb79be638a2adfee29f9bb44dae1706915df62dc29625c30071357459 |
| 17:37 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for phf with note: ru lisper |
| 17:37 |
decimation |
ideally one would store keys in off-net antifuse |
| 17:37 |
jurov |
decimation: also there must be a way to unlimited count of new addresses, which bip |
| 17:37 |
jurov |
bip32 fulfills nicely |
| 17:38 |
jurov |
as shown above, even mp had to succumb to that |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
!rate shinohai 1 therealbitcoin testing |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
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| 17:39 |
decimation |
I get it, managing fucktons of key material is a serious pain |
| 17:39 |
shinohai |
O.o |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.shinohai.1:9af23be464f165bf419ebbc28be144141a36d6625711516de0a2f03a6ecb6039 |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
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| 17:40 |
shinohai |
Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project? |
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| 17:40 |
asciilifeform |
well ~i~ thought it would be interesting |
| 17:40 |
trinque |
wouldn't be lame to do it as described |
| 17:40 |
asciilifeform |
no idea about other folks |
| 17:40 |
Apocalyptic |
!rate asciilifeform 2 Built phuctor, knows some maths |
| 17:40 |
assbot |
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| 17:41 |
Apocalyptic |
!v assbot:Apocalyptic.rate.asciilifeform.2:c43e959793043b012992520acc6f924bc0b4e54fa57c5e33a891976d87a4bafe |
| 17:41 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: Built phuctor, knows some maths |
| 17:41 |
jurov |
maff power! |
| 17:43 |
jurov |
deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201507.txt.asc |
| 17:43 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DZSuae ) |
| 17:43 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
| 17:44 |
jurov |
deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150801/attachment_6ce4bd8d2b82fcc9cb8a76c06e8a4e2b38f11b21.txt |
| 17:44 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DZSAyt ) |
| 17:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7119 @ 0.00052255 = 3.72 BTC [+] |
| 17:44 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
| 17:48 |
shinohai |
Leaked img >>> http://i.imgur.com/1Uh8Nvq.jpg?1 |
| 17:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1VTSTpP ) |
| 17:48 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: xt is mike hearn |
| 17:50 |
punkman |
http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/07/30/operation-potao-express/ |
| 17:50 |
assbot |
Operation Potao Express: Analysis of a cyber-espionage toolkit ... ( http://bit.ly/1VTT7NF ) |
| 17:51 |
punkman |
"We found out that the website truecryptrussia.ru has been serving modified versions of the encryption software that included a backdoor to selected targets." |
| 17:55 |
asciilifeform |
lulz |
| 17:55 |
asciilifeform |
Run Moar Winblowz !! |
| 17:55 |
asciilifeform |
and Run Moar Binariez You Didn't Build Yourself |
| 17:55 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: but for the average guy, it's pwn at factory or pwn by wildmen |
| 17:56 |
asciilifeform |
'average guy' isn't worth the materials needed to tan his hide |
| 18:01 |
kakobrekla |
Build Yourself < i imagine most people here built broken openssl before. |
| 18:01 |
decimation |
yeah, recipe needs 'fit code in head' too |
| 18:02 |
decimation |
which is a tall order |
| 18:02 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: didn't say it was an elixir of immortality. just a baseline for literacy |
| 18:04 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: it is just oh so precious when folks who download fresh mystery meat in bin form every day of the week and give it full run of their machine, make noises about 'security' |
| 18:06 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: thinking about antifuse, a 'jungle' version could be made: make a pcb with 4096 shorts, scrape the desired bitpattern by hand. could be made into a 'pluggable module' and hand-verified |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and the diodes ? |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
also 4096 of'em ? |
| 18:06 |
decimation |
not even diodes, just traces |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
that's not a rom |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
how do you address row/col without diodes ? |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
pray tell |
| 18:07 |
decimation |
yeah you would need a multiplex chip |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
you still need diodes ! |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
otherwise you get current flow through all the shorts in a row/col |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
and meaningless output |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
can't select. |
| 18:08 |
decimation |
well, I was thinking of 4096 lines in parallel |
| 18:08 |
decimation |
but that wouldn't be practical |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
ahahaha l0l |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
no. |
| 18:08 |
decimation |
as an edge connector |
| 18:09 |
asciilifeform |
edge connectors with reasonable pin counts are flaky enough as it is. |
| 18:09 |
asciilifeform |
(ever nudge your video card ?) |
| 18:09 |
decimation |
yeah, maybe a 'zif socket' |
| 18:09 |
asciilifeform |
ditto |
| 18:09 |
decimation |
but now it gets more expensive |
| 18:09 |
decimation |
plus ideally you would want several keys per card |
| 18:09 |
asciilifeform |
and outrageously fragile if exercised with any regularity |
| 18:10 |
decimation |
yeah, so you would need some logic to probe each channel |
| 18:11 |
asciilifeform |
some logic here, some logic there, sooner or later you have your existing computer plus some weird appendage |
| 18:11 |
asciilifeform |
instead of whatever it was you wanted. |
| 18:12 |
decimation |
yeah, it's depressing |
| 18:12 |
kakobrekla |
this chan? yes. |
| 18:13 |
decimation |
it would be nice to have a little 'secure terminal' which could store key material reliably |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00050698 = 5.4815 BTC [-] {4} |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: depending on what you want to do, 1980s computers are still available |
| 18:15 |
punkman |
http://www.iacr.org/archive/ches2006/26/26.pdf << maybe relevant to those corrupted keys phuctor found |
| 18:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HfEzwL ) |
| 18:16 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: i can't find anything that will display this pdf |
| 18:16 |
punkman |
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:q5KIpA2wYPQJ:bcm.crypto.free.fr/pdf/BCCC06.pdf+&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us here |
| 18:16 |
assbot |
Why One Should Also Secure RSA Public Key Elements ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfEKbp ) |
| 18:17 |
punkman |
and referenced in that: http://libra.msra.cn/Publication/1767685/on-authenticated-computing-and-rsa-based-authentication |
| 18:17 |
punkman |
"the most often observed fault during RSA-computations exposed to glitch attacks is the erroneous modification of the moduli." |
| 18:18 |
asciilifeform |
if the 32-bit-mirror moduli are the product of any kind of electronic accident, i will shit toyotas. |
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| 18:18 |
asciilifeform |
and not once, but 98 times. |
| 18:19 |
asciilifeform |
on top of this, i hope it is obvious to everyone that the problem of divining any bits of the private key from the public, mutilated or not, is equivalent to breaking rsa |
| 18:20 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, you can recover bits of key from faults, ~if said faults take place on a machine with knowledge of the private key~ ! |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
this, famously, is why you don't ever want to give public access to a mechanism which tries to decrypt messages supplied by public |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
esp. in real time |
| 18:21 |
punkman |
" the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus" |
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| 18:22 |
asciilifeform |
no shit |
| 18:22 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221493 <<< Does said toyota shit contain any ISIS insurgents? |
| 18:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 22:18:13; asciilifeform: if the 32-bit-mirror moduli are the product of any kind of electronic accident, i will shit toyotas. |
| 18:22 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., we can now sign messages using the key Apocalyptic supplied the complete factorization for |
| 18:23 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: each will contain seven live, and healthy, osama bin ladens |
| 18:23 |
asciilifeform |
and one dick cheney to fellate'em |
| 18:23 |
shinohai |
w0rd |
| 18:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00050402 = 13.0541 BTC [-] {3} |
| 18:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050402 = 18.5479 BTC [-] |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck is with people and "deleting" |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow the average idiot got this idea that time comes with an undo button. when and how did this happen. |
| 18:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: anvin's, for instance, is missing |
| 18:38 |
decimation |
somebody already had my 'pcb anti-fuse' idea (and thought it out better) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/sci.electronics.components/fuse-based$20printed$20circuit$20board/sci.electronics.components/BV7Q279up-Q/XzdY2RJgQgEJ |
| 18:38 |
assbot |
Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfHRQz ) |
| 18:38 |
asciilifeform |
(the diddled key) |
| 18:38 |
asciilifeform |
from mit sks |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform interesting, sorta |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur << obligatory re: 'how did this happen' |
| 18:39 |
assbot |
The Digital Imprimatur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfHXHV ) |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
in short, www was the censor's wet dream |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
can 'un-print' |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun see it. |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
because not stupid |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
the stupid - see this and only this |
| 18:40 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: back in the old days you had to print stuff on paper |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"Over the last two years I have become deeply and increasingly pessimistic about the future of liberty and freedom of speech, particularly in regard to the Internet. This is a complete reversal of the almost unbounded optimism I felt during the 19941999 period when public access to the Internet burgeoned and innovative new forms of communication appeared in rapid succession. In that epoch I was firmly convinced that |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
universal access to the Internet would provide a countervailing force against the centralisation and concentration in government and the mass media which act to constrain freedom of expression and unrestricted access to information. Further, the Internet, properly used, could actually roll back government and corporate encroachment on individual freedom by allowing information to flow past the barriers erected by tota |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
litarian or authoritarian governments and around the gatekeepers of the mainstream media." |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this will be said re bitcoin in what, acoupla years ? |
| 18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, my blown fuse was specifically re http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-114933 |
| 18:41 |
assbot |
Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for the very first time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MErftK ) |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
lulzy |
| 18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but the idea you know ? |
| 18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"you fucked up, delete it!!1 quick!!1" |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
aha, the idea. |
| 18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck. |
| 18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
to this day - i have no idea how to put this in proper words - to this day they have NUMEROUS CASES of fucktarded "doctors" who get supoenad for their records and show up with doctored records. |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
these are folks who will throw away whole identities on a lark, not mere posts |
| 18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
what, please explain to me, what the fuck must be going on inside this supposedly educated person's mind. |
| 18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
how are they a doctor in the first place. |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it's as unmedical as it gets. |
| 18:44 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: you mean folks with 'fake degrees' |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
| 18:44 |
decimation |
or fake medical records |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean folks with multiple degrees from fucking harvard. |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
greenspun ? |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation what happens is that some guy dies and the attening physician gets supoenad. |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"please bring your records re so and so" |
| 18:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15888 @ 0.00050571 = 8.0347 BTC [+] |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
by the point that supoena issues, OBVIOUSLY they already have copies. |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
because no fucking laywer to date has yet asked a question he didn't know the answer to |
| 18:45 |
decimation |
ah, and doctor didn't actually take notes, or have any notion of what was going on with particular patient? |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities. |
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| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
!b 1 |
| 18:45 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08E8V2K.txt ) |
| 18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
no, doctor took notes, didn't like the look of them, changed what they said. |
| 18:46 |
decimation |
ah I see. |
| 18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
mental age of about 6 |
| 18:46 |
decimation |
to connect with my misunderstanding, why bother going to medical school? |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, the american style of schooling strongly selects for this |
| 18:46 |
decimation |
could do the same with fake degree too |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
some people actually wanna learn a trade for chryssakes. |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
that's what 'go-getter type' has ~always meant in usa~. a fella willing to lie, defraud, with straight face |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no look. lie and defraud is one thing. |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
the tighter a tournament market, in usa, the more this is selected for. |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a difference, you know, between faeces flinger and bed shitter. |
| 18:47 |
decimation |
in the uk in particular, there is a strong tradition of 'surgeon is not doctor, but skilled craftsman' |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
this is bed shitting. |
| 18:48 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: thing is, their scam skillz are honed for a certain kind of largely-ritualized competition. like the antlers of ruminants. for actual combat - not so much |
| 18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
quite ruminant. |
| 18:49 |
decimation |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_College_of_Surgeons_of_England " When the College of Surgeons received its royal charter, the Royal College of Physicians insisted that candidates must have a medical degree first.[citation needed] Therefore an aspiring surgeon had to study medicine first and received the title Doctor. Thereafter, having obtained the diploma of Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons he would revert ... |
| 18:49 |
assbot |
Royal College of Surgeons of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MErRQ6 ) |
| 18:49 |
decimation |
... to the title "Mr" as a snub to the RCP." |
| 18:50 |
shinohai |
I'd rather be known as a knight of La Serenissima. |
| 18:50 |
shinohai |
hue |
| 18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"en or, lions rampant, people ruminant" |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
!b 1 |
| 18:50 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13YB801.txt ) |
| 18:50 |
decimation |
heh |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
mega-l0l |
| 18:50 |
decimation |
^ #b-a heraldry? |
| 18:51 |
shinohai |
http://www.immortalmuse.com/2010/09/27/tuesday-poem-jims-coat-of-arms-by-mark-twain/ |
| 18:51 |
assbot |
"Jim's Coat of Arms" by Mark Twain | Immortal MuseImmortal Muse ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEs2Lg ) |
| 19:00 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: your .dat reader works very well, thank you. consider submitting to list? |
| 19:00 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell phf %% |
| 19:00 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221195 << too lazy to search for the mp quote saying "these schmucks are principally invovled in trying to defend their own imaginary position of power through a castle of bad code" |
| 19:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 18:32:03; trinque: if bitcoind were intended to obscure the functioning of the bitcoin algorithm for as long as possible, it would've come out the same way |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
but your intuition is correct. everything the "core devs" have been doing since at the latest 2012 is this and nothing else. |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why it's getting excised. |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow the notion that it'll get excised never occured to them. |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
like you know, the notion that he's pouring money in the sand ne'er occurs to friendly ddos guy. |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
stragety is hard. |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221203 << i don't think you understand what "locks" means in bdb parlance |
| 19:23 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 18:47:08; trinque: anyone give a shit about discussing cranking a magic number to 11 without discussing how the fuck it's using that many locks? |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
see http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs276a/projects/docs/berkeleydb/ref/lock/intro.html specifically " (Performing multiple lock operations atomically is useful in performing Btree traversals". then realise this is jsut called recursively throughout a (large) tree for no reason whatsoever. |
| 19:25 |
assbot |
Berkeley DB Reference Guide: Berkeley DB and locking ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0SIDd ) |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a meaningless count. |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously this should be fixed. but we're not there yet, and the fix would not consist of shaping gangrene anyway. |
| 19:28 |
trinque |
got it; I'll read that link |
| 19:28 |
trinque |
and the point prior is all too clear |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221256 << this is pure wank. all blocks are 1mb, and it's reliable as set in stone. the right move is to pad all blocks to 1mb and forget about it |
| 19:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 18:59:24; asciilifeform: and also because varying sizes of block |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
that satoshi didn't originally is because he adapted design to perceived resources, and figured nobody would; run it if it took 2gb every 8 days. |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact the blk0001 covers as you folks observed, the first ~3 years of bitcoin or some shit. |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, that random accident at the beginning passed, the correct storage schema for bitcoin blockchain is fixed 1mb blocks. |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i vaguely recall we even discussed this, in re a bitcoin fs. |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221312 << check it out, the perpetuum entropible. |
| 19:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 21:15:24; Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point |
| 19:35 |
scoopbot_revived |
What MP wants, MP gets. Also, prayers are answered. http://trilema.com/2015/what-mp-wants-mp-gets-also-prayers-are-answered/ |
| 19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221341 << well done! |
| 19:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 21:23:09; Apocalyptic: in other news from the factoring mines I managed to get the complete factorization of the shortest phuctored modulus so far: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5 |
| 19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
sadly the log cuts up the numbers. |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
1114205205180958377855111044770044783265323286252745 |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
2891553312109538702748840228681184504788003839065338 |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
4109 |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
for the future. |
| 19:38 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, only the display is cut, the source shows the full numbers |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ah right you are. |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
was this a 1024 key ? |
| 19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
seem too few digits, to my untrained eye. |
| 19:40 |
Apocalyptic |
maybe even a 512 one |
| 19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ? |
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| 19:41 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220928 <<< forbes didn't lift an article but linked to another site which lifted a qntra story which was an exclusive |
| 19:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 15:52:27; asciilifeform: who was it who lifted a piece wholesale? 'forbes' ? |
| 19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221373 << not necessary, one'd hope. bitbet has been running off the same set of addresses forever. |
| 19:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 21:28:52; jurov: danielpbarron: well, people like mp (or me) who want to sleep ad libitum and thus decided to accept coins, inveitably end up requiring $maxint addresses |
| 19:42 |
cazalla |
and i contacted them saying hey, perhaps you'd like to link to the original instead of a copy wrapped in adsense but he declined |
| 19:43 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu just because large enough set. |
| 19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess. |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
not a "solved problem" in my estimation, yet. future will decide. |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221397 << it's provably the same thing lol. |
| 19:44 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 21:35:28; jurov: i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea (correct, btw) was to pre-create a pool. |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
this is kind-of unavoidable from a crypto security perspective. |
| 19:46 |
Apocalyptic |
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: anvin's, for instance, is missing // interesting, did you notice any other key that has been pulled out ? |
| 19:46 |
* |
shinohai * mircea_popescu has the chinese miners on his side |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
he's been keeping closer tabs than me. |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221422 << yes. make a thing that dumps html |
| 19:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 21:40:14; shinohai: Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project? |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll teach you enough about how bitcoind sucks. |
| 19:47 |
shinohai |
i know, i have to use php until I learn perl |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
o.OP |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i can't conceive how this would be done in php. |
| 19:48 |
shinohai |
I haz explore in php days away |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i was thinking you write it in c++, like the rest of the code, can be compiled as an addon |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but what specifically would php do ? i don't get it ? |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
static html means no php needed or useful. |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
also most people running it would probably not opt to run apache |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but some minimal webserver. |
| 19:49 |
shinohai |
its dirty web studd, not meant to be perm |
| 19:49 |
trinque |
you can use it like a template system... but... wai |
| 19:49 |
kakobrekla |
if block explorer is to have any usability you imho need to expand db a lot. |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
db-on-disk aka static html files. |
| 19:50 |
kakobrekla |
O_o |
| 19:50 |
trinque |
hm yeah seems like this should be bolted to dumpblock? |
| 19:50 |
trinque |
not bolted, should make use thereof |
| 19:50 |
shinohai |
yes trinque |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
why do it on demand ? just dump out the "block explorer" material as you process the txn |
| 19:50 |
trinque |
^ yeah |
| 19:50 |
kakobrekla |
blockdumper != blockexplorer |
| 19:51 |
trinque |
I know, saying where he can get the data |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla you wouldn't know the difference from the clicking side. |
| 19:51 |
kakobrekla |
but you would. |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, it won't contain retarded "click here for value in dollars" dongles |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't want those. |
| 19:52 |
kakobrekla |
bitcoind on its own gives you ability to do approx nothing. it cant tell me unspent output of an address unless that address is in the wallet (watch only suffices). |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but, accept a new tx ? add txhash.html in /tx/ dir. |
| 19:52 |
shinohai |
no then you are unwittingly pegged, like a fat McWhore |
| 19:52 |
kakobrekla |
only if you keep a seperete record |
| 19:52 |
kakobrekla |
of all the things |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
accept a new block ? add blockhash.html in /block/ |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
reorg a block ? modify its html |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
etc |
| 19:53 |
kakobrekla |
how is this better than just doing dump block in your shell |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
at all points there's a purely injective function from blockchain to blockexplorer html pile |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla cause some people wanna click on web things, what. |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
how is anything better than irc and shell. they want the web. |
| 19:53 |
trinque |
seems like looking for log messages in the code would be a decent way to find where to hook |
| 19:53 |
kakobrekla |
i dont see any use in it, build what you want. |
| 19:53 |
trinque |
cmon hypertext is pretty cool |
| 19:54 |
trinque |
I hear it's getting big these days |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla i see the use of a block explorer website with 0 js on it. |
| 19:54 |
kakobrekla |
you dont need js to bloxexplore on current blockexplorers |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
and add a "guaranteed accurate by process" thing to it makes it wunderbar. |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
also the fact that "any node can stand up a block explorer" is just the pill to sink the fucktarded "oh herp, we invested in bc.i" shitticon valley crap. |
| 19:55 |
kakobrekla |
blockexplorer != blockdumper |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i enjoy making their investments worthless for purely political reasons. pederasts gotta learn. |
| 19:55 |
kakobrekla |
keep messing up these things. |
| 19:55 |
shinohai |
shit |
| 19:56 |
kakobrekla |
blockdumper is unable to tell you how much spendables is on a given address. |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it can list them. |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess you need magic to add them, fine, whatevs. |
| 19:57 |
gernika |
Is the pederast epithet a reference to older VCs getting kicks from paying a bunch of young hacker boys to hang out with them? |
| 19:58 |
trinque |
lol this thing just uses various *print* functions to log |
| 19:58 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu> it can list them. < not trivially. |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
gernika quite exactly. reference : http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#selection-273.0-281.82 |
| 19:59 |
assbot |
Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhWTKQ ) |
| 19:59 |
ben_vulpes |
welcome, trinque |
| 19:59 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: it hurts! |
| 19:59 |
trinque |
everything hurts! |
| 19:59 |
ben_vulpes |
so stop doing it or stfu |
| 20:00 |
trinque |
I shall do neither. |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
ftr, toshi (postgres) currently has 488 gb database for the 30 or so gigs of blockchain |
| 20:00 |
gernika |
mircea_popescu Interesting. That's one thing you and Michael O. Church agree on. |
| 20:00 |
ben_vulpes |
'twas a joke, joke only. |
| 20:00 |
trinque |
I know I know |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
gernika the difference being that he's poor. |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
theres a reason for that. |
| 20:00 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla: ever run an 'abe'? |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla there maybe is or maybe is not. |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
ben_vulpes sure, and a bunch of other explorers. |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
some, not public. |
| 20:01 |
ben_vulpes |
which to avoid, which are not miserable? |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
having someone from here try it is still a great thing. |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
they are all miserable. |
| 20:01 |
ben_vulpes |
o well then |
| 20:01 |
trinque |
I'll say writing deedbot- was highly instructive. |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
but yeah stay away from abe |
| 20:01 |
trinque |
shinohai: ^^ |
| 20:01 |
ben_vulpes |
why is abe so bad? |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
last i checked, years ago, that was a piece of spaghetti pythons that broke weekly |
| 20:02 |
ben_vulpes |
aside from "can't serve while indexing lol"? |
| 20:02 |
shinohai |
abe sucks, i'd rather rebuild bitpay insight -css |
| 20:02 |
* |
ben_vulpes kicked off its indexer this morning |
| 20:03 |
ben_vulpes |
ah jesus insight is a shitshow that much i know from pissing on the fence in question |
| 20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla: 'toshi' creates its db from a rails schema iirc, no surprise that it's 10x blockchain size |
| 20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
but transaction indexing etc should take *that* much space... |
| 20:04 |
shinohai |
then i have no framework |
| 20:04 |
kakobrekla |
ben_vulpes others arent that much smaller |
| 20:04 |
shinohai |
besies bitcoind output |
| 20:05 |
gernika |
mod6 asciilifeform fyi I just successfully built stator bitcoind on top of rotor. Gentoo inside Parallels. Needed trinque's patch. |
| 20:05 |
kakobrekla |
blockr was something like 200-300 gigs iirc |
| 20:05 |
ben_vulpes |
wow. |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
blocker's in past tense now ? |
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| 20:06 |
ben_vulpes |
whence the extra data? most of the relationships should live in foreign keys. |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes yeah, there's a reason i keep saying plain html and db on disk and stuff |
| 20:06 |
kakobrekla |
sort of. |
| 20:06 |
* |
ben_vulpes off for a bit |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly to piss on the face of all the "developer" kids with "ideas" |
| 20:07 |
kakobrekla |
plain html and db on disk and stuff < yes we want another duplicate of useless stuff stored in blockchain files |
| 20:07 |
shinohai |
You shouldn't trust developers tis true |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. we do. |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
to replace the useless duplicate of all the shit in a ruby install. |
| 20:07 |
trinque |
the vast majority of websites out there should be this |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
if disks are gonna fill with rubbish, i want it to be my meaningless rubbish, not theirs. |
| 20:07 |
shinohai |
ruby is just as useless as java |
| 20:07 |
trinque |
how often do you publish vs read |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque ill confess about quarterly i get an itch to convert trilema |
| 20:08 |
trinque |
people "MVC", then it's memcached this and redis that |
| 20:08 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: I bet, perfect example |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
re that "academic" link earlier : wtf is WRONG with these people. i can not see a date onthe page. |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
what is the point of even fucking existing if one's going to be this dumb ? |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
what, they've not invented dating in their culture ? what is this, polinesia online ? |
| 20:10 |
kakobrekla |
i dont see why save all html files beforehand if you can just dumpblock on the fly, its a stupid operations it gets done fast. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking sumerians had it, it's not even european. |
| 20:11 |
kakobrekla |
its not like you are querying for abalance of an address. |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla you know nothing prevents you from doing even the balance, in plain html. |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose you accept a new block. now you do 1) list it in /blocks/ ; 2) iterate over all the txn it includes, list them in /txn/ ; 3) iterate over all addresses included, add and substract from /addresses/address.html |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
presto. |
| 20:13 |
kakobrekla |
well you will end up with 100gigs+ db or so. or unusably slow. |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs) |
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| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
(or larger, of course - html mark-up. but anyway) |
| 20:15 |
kakobrekla |
keeping all the balance for all the addresses wont be that small. |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the balance of any address is a longint. |
| 20:16 |
kakobrekla |
number of tx * avg number of in/outputs = ? |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
you can trivially opt to "only list txn over X". |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
update the balance, but not list the txn. |
| 20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221499 << what "her" fucking choice ? since when it's her choice, have we EVER even seen a documented case of a female attacker ? |
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| 20:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 22:21:53; punkman: " the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus" |
| 20:25 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, maybe because in crypto the attacker is usually called Eve |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
unflattering as that may be |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
eve's like one of maybe five people in the jewish cannon i'd consider hanging with |
| 20:26 |
Apocalyptic |
(stems from "eavesdropping") |
| 20:30 |
gernika |
mod6 Built v0.5.4-TEST2 with rotor but can't run it on the system I built it on because: "-bash: ./bitcoind: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error." This is on gentoo built from stage3-i486-20150728.tar.bz2 |
| 20:32 |
trinque |
gernika: anything interesting from dumpelf on the file? |
| 20:32 |
gernika |
trinque: Don't think so: ./bitcoind: file format elf64-x86-64 |
| 20:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00050864 = 13.2246 BTC [+] |
| 20:33 |
gernika |
Not sure if I accidentally built a 32 bit gentoo or what... |
| 20:34 |
gernika |
objdump: ./bitcoind: not a dynamic object |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
it says it's 64 |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you see any problem with me thinking https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ is basically retarded ? |
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| 20:38 |
gernika |
Well shit. Somehow I built 64 bit binaries on a 32 bit install of gentoo. |
| 20:39 |
BingoBoingo |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221623 << I made a point of hunting 1990's keys from universities to feed the Phuctor. Many were of short length. I though maybe they'd fall first and prime the beast, but... |
| 20:39 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 23:40:28; mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ? |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ? |
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| 20:39 |
gernika |
mircea_popescu Yeah I did. |
| 20:39 |
gernika |
Looks like |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
grats, i guess ? o.O |
| 20:40 |
gernika |
I guess I get to get more practice installing gentoo :) |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
you could just rebuild for your platform. |
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| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
very few people still use 32bit, might be interesting test case. |
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| 20:40 |
gernika |
I'll give that a shot |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms |
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| 20:41 |
trinque |
gernika: there are knobs in buildroot for that |
| 20:41 |
trinque |
and also in rotor.sh, every mention of 64 must change |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"Note: I am well aware that dynamic documents are a huge, gaping, ugly hole in the digital imprimatur scheme. I have not expended a great deal of effort thinking about ways to better secure such documents; I'm sure this issue will be explored in detail" |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
aka "note : my idiocy falls apart at hte most cursory examination, but i am the sort of dumb schmuck that aims to insulate himself from this by waving hands and weaving words, rather than a thninking person" |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
meh. |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
and before anyone wants to tell me the author has five concubines gifted by from cornell west and is widely respected by robed pamplonocrats or w/e : i dun give a shit kthx. |
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| 21:03 |
TheNewDeal |
if anyone is interested in taking the no side on this https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/ . leave me a note and perhaps we can strike a deal |
| 21:03 |
assbot |
BitBet - BTC to top $350 before September :: 23.71 B (30%) on Yes, 54.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 21`395 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcNWRU ) |
| 21:03 |
TheNewDeal |
a new deal of sorts |
| 21:07 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable |
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| 21:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40015 @ 0.00051334 = 20.5413 BTC [+] {3} |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221782 << my brain pulls its frequent trick; i distinctly recalled there being a point in that thing |
| 21:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-08-2015 00:34:46; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you see any problem with me thinking https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ is basically retarded ? |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
(which was, that www makes things very easy for the censor, much easier at any rate than rounding up 10,000 books to burn) |
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| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
but it is buried in a pile of fuck-knows-what, yes |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
(it got garbage-collected in my memory) |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221786 << no it is not 'a wonder' - it will build on a z80!!! cross-compiler, remember ? |
| 21:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-08-2015 00:39:22; mircea_popescu: gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ? |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
multilib not relevant! |
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| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
'rotor' makes use of nothing other than the libs we include |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221769 << other than the polish chick (joana rutkowska [sp?]) - not known to me |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-08-2015 00:18:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221499 << what "her" fucking choice ? since when it's her choice, have we EVER even seen a documented case of a female attacker ? |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221792 << as easy as setting up for 'arm' build, etc. change the knob. |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:37; mircea_popescu: very few people still use 32bit, might be interesting test case. |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
get x86-32, mips, cray, whatever. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221794 << danielpbarron's pogo, possibly |
| 21:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:51; mircea_popescu: i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
(pogo is an arm32) |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221762 << store'em compressed |
| 21:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-08-2015 00:13:47; mircea_popescu: you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs) |
| 21:35 |
scoopbot_revived |
Scottish Bank, Police & Court Harass Bitcoin Trader, Conspire To Steal His Cash http://qntra.net/2015/08/scottish-bank-police-court-harass-bitcoin-trader-conspire-to-steal-his-cash/ |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
'The cash was seized, pending an inquiry that was hampered by the individuals initial refusal to provide any information about its source. Once the investigation was complete and no basis for forfeiting the cash had been established, it was handed back.' << ahahahaha |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
'handed back' |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
just by asking nicely, aha |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
no mention of legal fees, having to sit broke for months, etc |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
and 'hampered by refusal' |
| 21:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955572/italian-police-shutter-dark-web-marketplace.html << l0lz |
| 21:42 |
assbot |
Italian police shutter Dark Web marketplace | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1N16dmg ) |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mod6 interestingly, incitatus synced and stayed synced today |
| 21:45 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
i'll leave it up, for now. |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
dulap appears to have fallen into an nsa silent hole again... |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: you still getting ^this on your nodes ? |
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| 21:54 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: doesn't it seem more likely that there's something fucktarded about the sync code? |
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| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: no. |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i 'wiresharked' many hours of this. |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
it is precisely as if someone were snipping out just the packets with useful payload, while leaving enough in place to leave the connection open. |
| 22:11 |
asciilifeform |
it also ~never~ happens between directly-connected nodes on my lan, for example. |
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| 22:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00050402 = 13.7597 BTC [-] |
| 22:52 |
ben_vulpes |
<BingoBoingo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221623 << I made a point of hunting 1990's keys from universities to feed the Phuctor. Many were of short length. I though maybe they'd fall first and prime the beast, but... << bb you're awesome |
| 22:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-08-2015 23:40:28; mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ? |
| 22:52 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> grats, i guess ? o.O << hyuuuuahahaha |
| 22:54 |
ben_vulpes |
<TheNewDeal> a new deal of sorts << i will give you points for this even if nobody else will |
| 23:06 |
ben_vulpes |
http://developersdevelope.rs/ |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
Developers Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1SSaIBo ) |
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| 23:23 |
scoopbot_revived |
Australian Faces 88 Charges Related To Darknet Child Pornography Sites http://qntra.net/2015/08/australian-faces-88-charges-related-to-darknet-child-pornography-sites/ |
| 23:33 |
decimation |
http://www.techspot.com/article/1039-ten-years-intel-cpu-compared/page7.html < moore's law sample point " |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
Then and Now: Almost 10 Years of Intel CPUs Compared > Summing Up: Up to 11 Times the Performance - TechSpot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCPRlE ) |
| 23:33 |
decimation |
The 4690K is just 32% faster than the 760 in Excel, 25% faster in 7-Zip and just 17% on average when comparing gaming performance." |
| 23:34 |
decimation |
granted, there are measurements that show more improvement, but 4 years and 45-22nm buys you as little as 17% improvement |
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| 23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: pgp.mit.edu was a gold mine for academic keys they may not have made the transition to sks. I retrieved manually though by schoool. |
| 23:51 |
decimation |
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/31/weak-recovery-makes-for-wage-winners-and-losers.html " That's why many economists are scratching their heads after the latest quarterly data Friday showed that overall compensation in the three months ending in June inched up at the slowest pace since 1982. " |
| 23:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MCRu2Y ) |