00:00 |
decimation |
I've been reading that 'thinking forth' book, it's rather enjoyable |
00:00 |
decimation |
I can see the elegance of the stack-based design |
00:00 |
decimation |
where even function arguments are implict |
00:00 |
decimation |
also the rpn makes me yearn for my hp calc |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
it is pretty neat, aha |
00:02 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I see the wisdom in writing bitcoin in ada strictly to attract the kinds of programmers we actually want |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
that kinda thing is more of a concern for wilderness folks (who have no wot) |
00:04 |
mats |
http://www.rc4nomore.com |
00:04 |
assbot |
RC4 NOMORE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K95Jg7 ) |
00:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202196 |
00:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-07-2015 06:55:10; ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever |
00:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ some people would like to have CLOS "models" http://web.archive.org/web/20140711171553/http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=2316 (see the section "An Interface/API Mechanism") |
00:17 |
assbot |
Things I Want in Common Lisp « Symbo1ics Ideas ... ( http://bit.ly/1K974Ua ) |
00:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
Should be easy enough to add on top of CLOS if one really needs it. |
00:19 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202192 << You wouldn't use CLOS for this afaik? Write a (generic?) function that performs the necessary data munging and deal with these unnamed structures using `cons', `append', `car' etc. |
00:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-07-2015 06:54:13; trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db |
00:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
!up artifexd |
00:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202226 |
00:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-07-2015 07:03:43; trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl |
00:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ wtf why |
00:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
CLIM!? |
00:22 |
gabriel_laddel |
Sure it doesn't run "on the web" but one can socket one lisp proc into another and done? |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
achtung, panzers! |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al! |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. |
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00:24 |
asciilifeform |
(remember to always add by ip, stator does not support dns) |
00:26 |
asciilifeform |
96.241.120.166:8333 |
00:26 |
asciilifeform |
(for now.) |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
aaaand i think we might be ph0rk3d again just now. |
00:32 |
mod6 |
<+asciilifeform> gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. << cool! |
00:33 |
mod6 |
are you stuck on block 365`521? |
00:34 |
asciilifeform |
-20 |
00:34 |
asciilifeform |
(the flagship node, interestingly, isn't) |
00:37 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL |
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00:37 |
trinque |
however I can see a use for CLIM on the backend |
00:44 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol |
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00:44 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 02:19:08; asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do' |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
but iirc he quit, yes |
00:48 |
trinque |
double latte is as far as I go into that territory these days |
00:49 |
* |
mircea_popescu claps zoolag |
00:49 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203280 << wtf why would you target "internet users". |
00:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 04:37:08; trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL |
00:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/4ac85d1e67774ad97b370692cd87ca40/tumblr_n7fin8iqVA1t6sn51o1_400.gif << check out the sudden improvement in posture once the stick connects. |
00:49 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1RAB7Iq ) |
00:49 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel: who says I'm "targeting" still |
00:50 |
trinque |
turns out you can make money in hubcaps and all sorts of other mundane things. |
00:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lordosis ! |
00:53 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203282 << there are three relevent trilema articles. One describes MP's stance on drug legality (perhaps they should be illegal b/c else they'd be mandatory) the second doesn't have a comments section and shows off some MDMA on a tea tray (biz meeting iirc?) and the third mentions the purity of Ar cocaine in the footnotes. |
00:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 04:44:59; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol |
00:54 |
trinque |
mdma is a truly lovely drug. |
00:54 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: i think there was a fourth where he appreciated hand-blown light bulbs. but under the influence of what, precisely - was not specified. |
00:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: hrm. I don't remember that one, but now that I think about it, there is a comment you made on a nonsense article ~"MP took a delivery of some potent smokables?". |
00:56 |
gabriel_laddel |
oh, and the liquid-acid restaurant. |
00:56 |
asciilifeform |
can't recall |
00:56 |
gabriel_laddel |
"less liquid, less acid" |
00:56 |
asciilifeform |
probably was a hypothetical |
00:57 |
gabriel_laddel |
;; google site: trilema.com "this is my attempt at trolling the electrical engineers" |
00:57 |
gribble |
Shots from a voyage on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/shots-from-a-voyage/>; Proverb or expression for a situation with two choices, both leading ...: <http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38243/proverb-or-expression-for-a-situation-with-two-choices-both-leading-to-a-differ>; Mainstream French Science Magazine Science et Vie on Cold ...: (1 more message) |
00:57 |
lobbesbot |
New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187#5C36ECF7F72E7DF2F75AB382EDB5C4F3F55890F8AAC2E9A7BF79BCCCF7E24B07> |
00:57 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 ) |
00:57 |
lobbesbot |
New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187#E5D971BED516F3DAD920A90EF1FC17998F15DC52F179A95E45EA559544E77A4D> |
00:57 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K ) |
00:57 |
asciilifeform |
lulziez |
00:58 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Programming-COMMON-LISP-Programmers/dp/0201175894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437016401&sr=8-1&keywords=a+programmers+guide+CLOS |
00:58 |
assbot |
Object-Oriented Programming in COMMON LISP: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS: Sonya E. Keene: 0785342175899: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RABHWB ) |
00:58 |
asciilifeform |
^ mega-b00k |
00:58 |
asciilifeform |
recommended. |
00:58 |
trinque |
cool. |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose this is when i point out that symbolics co. employed a surprising (to modern reader) number of gurlz |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
prior to the 'tournamentization' of the programming trade in usa, it was a perfectly respectable profession |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
for all kinds of folks |
01:01 |
gabriel_laddel |
danielpbarron: asciibooklist is missing "China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China". It is quite good. |
01:01 |
asciilifeform |
but it had to be converted to 'let's you all 19 y.o. derps fight to the death over scraps' |
01:01 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: missing a fuckton of things, but i was not the one who made the list |
01:02 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel pretty sure was one about costa rica cocaine being ferried off by us coast guard by the cruiser |
01:02 |
mircea_popescu |
because the locals don't have an army and happened upon a huge shipment |
01:03 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: I've not read that one. |
01:03 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: better than 'the art of the metaobject protocol'? |
01:03 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: now that I think about it, you mentioned it in one of the few articles discussing your budding romance with Ar. |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: different subject |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: keene concerns conventional workaday clos |
01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform minigame is slowly turning into an all girls outfit |
01:05 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i suspect that once you bugspray the 19yo. pork, a craftsmanship sort of profession would tend to. |
01:05 |
scoopbot_revived |
A Megaton Load of Grassy Debris http://thewhet.net/2015/a-megaton-load-of-grassy-debris/ |
01:05 |
asciilifeform |
like medicine did in ussr. |
01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahahaha speaking of which. |
01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit 51k |
01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
wd hanbot |
01:07 |
cazalla |
poor pogo must be getting desperate.. offering 30Gb for free now https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/202943 |
01:07 |
assbot |
Pogoplug 30GB Cloud Storage FREE - OzBargain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RACarU ) |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
cazalla: our pogo4 is officially out of print btz |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
*btw |
01:08 |
hanbot |
ty mircea_popescu |
01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i think they muyst have meanwhile figured out the "less head more butt meat, stupid!" design principle. |
01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
30gb, z80 cpu |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
wake me up when this. |
01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot so this is 11 for the little bit turned into what, |
01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 51000 * 60 * .8 |
01:10 |
gribble |
2448000 |
01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
two and a half mil ? |
01:11 |
hanbot |
25 for my quality 225 bit, 202 swipe of axe. :D |
01:11 |
asciilifeform |
anybody notice the blockless hour+ ~2h ago ? |
01:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically 1`000`000% returns. gotta be a record |
01:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, but by now this is a weekly thing |
01:12 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
01:12 |
asciilifeform |
still gets me tho |
01:12 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
01:13 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel: bought for 9 bucks |
01:13 |
trinque |
er 13 shipped |
01:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: Congrats. It is a lovely book. Simple, to the point, and clearly the product of someone who understood *exactly* the limitations of their tooling. |
01:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
ftr, I think the 3 canonical CL books are CLtL2, Keene and Art of the MOP |
01:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
Would appreciate any input. |
01:18 |
trinque |
cool, I'll let you know what I think of them. |
01:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177201 @ 0.0005435 = 96.3087 BTC [-] {5} |
01:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153199 @ 0.0005322 = 81.5325 BTC [-] {2} |
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01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> 96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey! |
01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
anuzza for my .config |
01:58 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted. |
01:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 01:37:47; asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move |
01:59 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though... |
02:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97900 @ 0.00055949 = 54.7741 BTC [+] {2} |
02:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00056322 = 7.4165 BTC [+] |
02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
girl is bolting her dress together tonight |
02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
rediscovers static friction |
02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
rediscovered* |
02:22 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203227 << didn't you do these already? |
02:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 03:22:53; mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi. |
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02:40 |
scoopbot_revived |
Gwern Releases 1.5TB DNM Archive, Steps Down As /r/DarkNetMarkets Moderator http://qntra.net/2015/07/gwern-releases-1-5tb-dnm-archive-steps-down-as-rdarknetmarkets-moderator/ |
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02:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00053088 = 21.7926 BTC [-] {2} |
03:04 |
ben_vulpes |
any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/ |
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03:04 |
assbot |
The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8Ndll ) |
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~ 1 hours 18 minutes ~ |
04:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00053423 = 37.1557 BTC [+] |
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~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~ |
05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ok ben_vulpes, jus' for you then. http://41.media.tumblr.com/cde5e3b233b4ed7f7d98efcb31f4e3ec/tumblr_mh4wtihA9v1s3kc85o1_1280.jpg |
05:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc97qT ) |
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~ 32 minutes ~ |
06:00 |
punkman |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/sex-toys-have-been-mysteriously-appearing-on-power-lines-in-the-us-city-of-portland-oregon-10392252.html |
06:00 |
assbot |
Sex toys have been mysteriously appearing on power lines in the US city of Portland, Oregon - Weird News - News - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfw1v ) |
06:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/96f8e81b00bf0618805f7d9fe3af59f6/tumblr_n6543uxBHt1tv5p19o1_400.gif |
06:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfxlX ) |
06:00 |
mircea_popescu |
mystery solved. |
06:01 |
punkman |
"A spokesman for public utility Portland General Electric said the dildos do not pose a fire hazard." |
06:02 |
mircea_popescu |
aren't they hot ? |
06:02 |
punkman |
not hot enough apparently |
06:02 |
mircea_popescu |
that's refreshing. |
06:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110877 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2338 BTC [+] |
06:09 |
punkman |
http://www.hudaelislam.org/es/info/fo/alharam/alharam/Mecca-019.jpg |
06:09 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DiFnAA ) |
06:09 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, how's greece two days after everyone stopped talking about it ? |
06:10 |
punkman |
same as last week |
06:11 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
06:13 |
punkman |
"Euro Area said to agree in principle to €7bn #Greece bridge loan. Eurozone bridge loan to Greece would be announced tomorrow" |
06:15 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
06:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis |
06:16 |
mircea_popescu |
h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements." |
06:16 |
mircea_popescu |
word. |
06:16 |
punkman |
I'm wondering how they'll limit outgoing transactions if/when banks reopen |
06:17 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly a 30% tax. |
06:17 |
punkman |
problem is greece imports too much stuff |
06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, this is aproblem, but not the way you think. |
06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
if it imported half that much it'd be in much better a shape. |
06:19 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, 30% tax is what the usians are doing, and there aren't multiple thinkers going in the western world, so. |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes." |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
amusingly, this stupid shit' sapparently a century old. |
06:20 |
punkman |
older than that |
06:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ironically, the anthropologic record is unmistakingly opposite : black WOMEN have a lot of sex. |
06:31 |
cazalla |
ya seen black women lately though? make hottentot look like a size 6 |
06:32 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 8 |
06:32 |
assbot |
Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0EH7CQR.txt ) |
06:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i have, actually. positively lithe |
06:34 |
mircea_popescu |
not all black women come from samoa you know. |
06:37 |
cazalla |
not sure i've even come across samoan/poly/maori women in porn before |
06:39 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: ohai plz to x.eur |
06:39 |
mircea_popescu |
hi there. |
06:41 |
cazalla |
http://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Provincial/15/07/14/Vancouver_Based_Dating_Site_Plenty_of_Fish_Sold_for_575_Million |
06:41 |
assbot |
Vancouver-Based Dating Site PlentyofFish Sold for $575 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDhGhI ) |
06:42 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
06:42 |
mircea_popescu |
no 500 trillion ??!?! |
06:43 |
cazalla |
"There are an estimated 100,000,000 users on PlentyOfFish." sounds like plenty of fish to me.. anyway this guy use to be a regular on wickedfire.com and got that site started creating fake profiles back in the day |
06:48 |
nubbins` |
with ASP.NET technology, no less. |
06:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ayup |
06:49 |
cazalla |
ah well good on him, never took the startup route with investors and shit |
06:51 |
mircea_popescu |
5.75 an user ? |
06:51 |
nubbins` |
turns out if you wait long enough they'll suck your cock instead of the other way around |
06:51 |
mircea_popescu |
still seems insane to me. |
06:51 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` this is possibly the oldest rule in the book. |
06:51 |
nubbins` |
nod |
06:51 |
nubbins` |
does the site even make money these days? |
06:52 |
nubbins` |
used to be free / ad-supported |
06:53 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1123066.0 |
06:53 |
assbot |
❎►฿ Smoothie's Hawaiian Property (gauging interest for now) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQwwap ) |
06:53 |
nubbins` |
hawaii, to me, seems to be a nice place to visit but a really shitty run-down place to live |
06:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see that it'd make enough to pay for the servers. |
06:53 |
nubbins` |
sort of like how i imagine florida, complete w/ meth heads |
06:54 |
mircea_popescu |
all islands suck to live on |
06:54 |
mircea_popescu |
if you're larger than a rat, at any rate. |
06:54 |
nubbins` |
heh, tell me about it. |
06:54 |
nubbins` |
;;google the island of newfoundland |
06:54 |
gribble |
Newfoundland (island) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_(island)>; Newfoundland and Labrador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_and_Labrador>; Welcome to Newfoundland :: Where is Newfoundland?: <http://newfoundland.hilwin.nl/PHP/en/location.php> |
06:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
06:54 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't onedog of twodogs larger than europe ? |
06:55 |
nubbins` |
labrador ("the big land" is around 300km^2 |
06:55 |
nubbins` |
newfoundland is 400ish |
06:56 |
mircea_popescu |
oh that tiny ? |
06:56 |
nubbins` |
.ro, around 240 |
06:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you mean thousand km^2 ? |
06:56 |
nubbins` |
hahah. yes. :/ |
06:56 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
06:57 |
nubbins` |
nf is notable for being one of very few places in the world which has its own name in the irish language |
06:58 |
nubbins` |
"talamh an éisc" |
07:00 |
nubbins` |
the irish, in turn, blessed nf english with such words as "scrob", "streel", and "sleveen" |
07:00 |
nubbins` |
as well as several bizarre grammatical structures |
07:01 |
nubbins` |
e.g. "Oh, he's already after leaving" |
07:03 |
nubbins` |
jesus. who cares? |
07:03 |
nubbins` |
hey, steve |
07:03 |
HeySteve |
hello there |
07:03 |
HeySteve |
re: plenty of fish - http://postimg.org/image/upib72xjl/ |
07:03 |
assbot |
View image: 11755092 1152768334738729 4554841114117486960 n ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQymYQ ) |
07:03 |
HeySteve |
"there's a bunch of fish in the sea... but how do you catch one if your line's so short!" |
07:05 |
mircea_popescu |
there's also drinks. http://41.media.tumblr.com/ca7613e9663326cd0ba60becf72f1cb9/tumblr_mxji2civUi1rz73x8o1_1280.jpg |
07:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HQyQhm ) |
07:08 |
HeySteve |
tasty |
07:12 |
nubbins` |
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/16/0020246/fbi-helps-shut-down-piracy-sites-in-romania |
07:12 |
assbot |
FBI Helps Shut Down Piracy Sites In Romania - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAdN7 ) |
07:13 |
nubbins` |
somewhat more interesting: http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/medical-robots/rewalk-robotics-new-exoskeleton-lets-paraplegic-stroll-the-streets-of-nyc |
07:13 |
assbot |
ReWalk Robotics's New Exoskeleton Lets Paraplegic Stroll the Streets of NYC - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAn7i ) |
07:14 |
nubbins` |
"He got a few curious looks as he strode forward in his sleek black gear, but the fast-walking New Yorkers didn’t slow down or clear space for him." |
07:15 |
nubbins` |
imagine, midtown manhattan and people didn't clear space for a guy wearing something weird |
07:18 |
nubbins` |
"The ReWalk 6.0 has a steep list price: US $77,000. Woo said there’s no chance his insurance provider will reimburse him: “They won’t even pay for my wheelchair,” he said." |
07:18 |
nubbins` |
o.O |
07:18 |
nubbins` |
america: don't get sick |
07:22 |
scoopbot_revived |
X.EUR July 16th statement http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/ |
07:23 |
HeySteve |
"stair mode hasn’t been approved by U.S. regulators yet, so ReWalks bought here currently have that function blocked." |
07:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 374 @ 0.00395346 = 1.4786 BTC [-] {5} |
07:24 |
nubbins` |
yeah heh. |
07:24 |
nubbins` |
canadian regulators apparently DGAF and allow stair mode |
07:29 |
nubbins` |
"Home cooking is still the best way to control the calories, fat, sugar and other nutrients that families consume, a new U.S. study suggests." |
07:29 |
nubbins` |
can you purchase forks specifically made for poking eyes out? |
07:38 |
mod6 |
hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :] |
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07:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66850 @ 0.00053052 = 35.4653 BTC [-] {2} |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
07:55 |
fluffypony |
this is my favourite slide from the Bitcoin Africa conference |
07:55 |
fluffypony |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9o88m8gS4#t=4m30s |
07:55 |
assbot |
Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K94YAZ ) |
07:56 |
fluffypony |
I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future |
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09:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27479 @ 0.00053009 = 14.5663 BTC [-] {2} |
09:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75227 @ 0.00052903 = 39.7973 BTC [-] {2} |
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09:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00053459 = 13.0707 BTC [+] |
09:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005289 = 20.4155 BTC [-] |
09:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203378 << aha. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1157467 >> it is spiffy, but difficult to build at first |
09:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 07:04:39; ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/ |
09:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-06-2015 02:03:19; asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant' |
09:47 |
asciilifeform |
it almost succeeds at shooting the very concept of db in the head ('i will do whatever i want to this data structure, and it will still be there if machine resets, without my having mutilated it in any way to make this possible') |
09:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67650 @ 0.00052841 = 35.7469 BTC [-] {2} |
09:58 |
asciilifeform |
;;isup qntra.net |
09:58 |
gribble |
qntra.net is down |
10:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26529 @ 0.00053459 = 14.1821 BTC [+] |
10:09 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform beat me to it |
10:21 |
asciilifeform |
also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support |
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10:22 |
asciilifeform |
mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: we might wanna catch that exception instead of letting it propagate to the 'errors:' buffer |
10:22 |
ben_vulpes |
indeed |
10:22 |
ben_vulpes |
achtung, etc |
10:23 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest" |
10:23 |
asciilifeform |
^ elephant |
10:23 |
asciilifeform |
(the only public example i know of) |
10:24 |
asciilifeform |
symbolics corp. had some very interesting commercial lisp db, e.g., 'statice' |
10:24 |
asciilifeform |
but it is now of archaeological interest only |
10:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00052784 = 29.7174 BTC [-] {2} |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2 << incidentally |
10:27 |
assbot |
The BITSAVERS.ORG Documents Library: Symbolics : Free Texts : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFciw ) |
10:31 |
ben_vulpes |
those manual covers are gorgeous |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: apparently no one on the net has the statice book up. so here it is, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/statice.pdf |
10:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1McFHZO ) |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
enough to get a good sense of the flavour. |
10:33 |
asciilifeform |
re: 'elephant', note that the backend is not pure lisp |
10:33 |
asciilifeform |
has the consequence of making it a first-class bitch to set up on a given box |
10:33 |
asciilifeform |
(the ffi crud has to be just-so, etc) |
10:38 |
ben_vulpes |
neat, ty asciilifeform |
10:38 |
ben_vulpes |
o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for |
10:39 |
asciilifeform |
the backend |
10:39 |
asciilifeform |
bdb |
10:39 |
ben_vulpes |
aha |
10:39 |
ben_vulpes |
ever try it with pg? |
10:39 |
asciilifeform |
https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant << see docs. |
10:39 |
assbot |
The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u88z ) |
10:39 |
ben_vulpes |
(i can see why a bdb impl would need it) |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
it claims to work with pg, but i was never able to achieve this |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
worth a shot, if you have a serious use for this |
10:40 |
ben_vulpes |
making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful |
10:41 |
ben_vulpes |
especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store |
10:42 |
ben_vulpes |
no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant? |
10:42 |
ben_vulpes |
s/'s// |
10:42 |
asciilifeform |
whossat |
10:42 |
ben_vulpes |
colored coins iirc |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
never heard of |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: looks like they might be two separate people |
10:45 |
ben_vulpes |
well there's that then |
10:46 |
asciilifeform |
.. or not |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
found at least two of'em |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
but one is a journo-spammer and doesn't appear to have any part in software |
10:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31782 @ 0.00053619 = 17.0412 BTC [+] {2} |
10:48 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
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11:25 |
mats |
http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge |
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11:25 |
assbot |
How We Fared in the Cyber Grand Challenge – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SpuV1a ) |
11:26 |
mats |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2egL4y_VpYg |
11:26 |
assbot |
Bjarne Stroustrup - What – if anything – have we learned from C++? - PLE'15 Keynote/Curry On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Spv1G1 ) |
11:26 |
thestringpuller |
^^^ trigger warning |
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11:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00052685 = 53.4226 BTC [-] {2} |
11:50 |
mats |
? |
11:54 |
mats |
ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach |
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11:56 |
mats |
nobody gains anything from a circlejerk about how machines suck |
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~ 1 hours 31 minutes ~ |
13:27 |
danielpbarron |
my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe |
13:28 |
danielpbarron |
i don't think it can fully sync anymore as-is without direct connect to a "blessed" node |
13:28 |
danielpbarron |
what with this nonStandard tx spam probably being the new norm |
13:30 |
thestringpuller |
danielpbarron: it still wedges? |
13:30 |
thestringpuller |
(with "normal" nodes)? |
13:30 |
danielpbarron |
no, but it can't keep up either |
13:30 |
danielpbarron |
gets bogged down trying to recieve and relay so many spam transactions |
13:31 |
thestringpuller |
That was happening on my full node too so I had to shut it down. |
13:31 |
danielpbarron |
the blocks themselves take no more than a few minutes to verify, but it isn't always verifying blocks |
13:32 |
danielpbarron |
i think much of the issue is solved with BingoBoingo's patch that lets 0.5.3 bitcoin.conf have a line defining the minimum tx fee for relaying |
13:32 |
thestringpuller |
Does it max on it's bandwidth or is it slow in "verifying" new tx's? |
13:32 |
danielpbarron |
i don't know enough to answer that, but i doubt it's bandwidth |
13:33 |
danielpbarron |
although come to think of it, my home internet did seem kinda sluggish as of late |
13:33 |
thestringpuller |
Also I thought if your mempool doesn't match another node's that node will isolate you. |
13:33 |
danielpbarron |
could be coincidence, like summer people on vacation flooding my shared cable lines |
13:33 |
danielpbarron |
hah like i care what non foundation nodes do |
13:33 |
danielpbarron |
all i care is, do other 0.5.3.1 nodes like me? ok good. |
13:34 |
thestringpuller |
0.5.3.1 nodes are sleeper cells atm too, (vis-a-vis ascii's node being recognized by bitnodes.io) |
13:36 |
thestringpuller |
I found that during the "spam attack" my node was using almost 90% of it's upstream bandwidth relaying transactions. |
13:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00054542 = 22.5258 BTC [+] {2} |
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14:13 |
BingoBoingo |
https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-Credentials |
14:13 |
assbot |
The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhdYFA ) |
14:26 |
trinque |
"Why don't you let people define their own abstractions, and put the abstraction mechanism into the language?" |
14:26 |
trinque |
from Stroustrup talk |
14:26 |
* |
trinque closes it |
14:34 |
ben_vulpes |
kill the mempool, kill the relay |
14:47 |
Naphex |
Will be launching a non x-rated Xotika.TV spin-off called otika.tv. For whatever people wanna stream that doesn't need lots of disclaimers ;] |
14:54 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
14:54 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.85, Best ask: 275.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.85, 24 hour volume: 53972.57780706, 24 hour low: 275.21, 24 hour high: 295.0, 24 hour vwap: None |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
15:20 |
jurov |
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: wd, pogos arrived complete with "no customs duty" sticker |
15:21 |
danielpbarron |
yay |
15:21 |
jurov |
daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
15:22 |
ascii_field |
congrats jurov, danielpbarron |
15:22 |
kakobrekla |
did you ship them disassembled? |
15:23 |
danielpbarron |
i did, yes |
15:23 |
* |
trinque just brought "monolith" up on gentoo |
15:24 |
trinque |
so much room for blockchainz |
15:26 |
BingoBoingo |
<ben_vulpes> kill the mempool, kill the relay << On some level relay is still necessary. |
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15:56 |
* |
shinohai 's pogo is very happy so far. |
16:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14090 @ 0.0005475 = 7.7143 BTC [+] |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov cool, have fun |
16:05 |
trinque |
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting.html << another one went pop |
16:05 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkEoj ) |
16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203485 << nuts huh |
16:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 11:38:13; mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :] |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203490 << can it be text summary or image ? youtube decided to cease working on non-retarded systems meanwhile. |
16:11 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 11:56:10; fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203504 << right. |
16:11 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
should insta-ban a node sending that, just waste of bw. |
16:12 |
mats |
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/intel-confirms-tick-tock-shattering-kaby-lake-processor-as-moores-law-falters/ |
16:12 |
assbot |
Intel confirms tick-tock-shattering Kaby Lake processor as Moore’s Law falters | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1gE8r0K ) |
16:13 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
aww! |
16:15 |
diametric |
hmm my bouncer is terrible |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
who was arguing the point with me, decimation ? |
16:15 |
thestringpuller |
but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics. |
16:15 |
diametric |
i explicitly use it to save pms, and it fails at it. |
16:15 |
thestringpuller |
Booooo. irssi stop spamming channel |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
what's that schmuck's handle |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen gavinanderssen |
16:16 |
gribble |
I have not seen gavinanderssen. |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google gavin the bitcoin shithead |
16:16 |
gribble |
The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/>; "The Bitcoin protocol doesn't exist." : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31jh8m/the_bitcoin_protocol_doesnt_exist/>; ELI5: If Bitcoin is decentralized, why are there centralized people in ...: (1 more message) |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
sucks trying to talk to the anon herd already. |
16:16 |
mod6 |
<+jurov> daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back << :> |
16:17 |
thestringpuller |
;;seen gavinandressen |
16:17 |
gribble |
I have not seen gavinandressen. |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen GavinAndresen |
16:17 |
gribble |
GavinAndresen was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you. |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: as of this morning, 'zoolag' was fully synced and happily serving 40 or so connections |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell gavinandresen how's the moore law coming along, shithead ? |
16:17 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
16:17 |
mod6 |
ascii_field: cool! |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field good. i still can't get my nodes to eat the block in question. |
16:19 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i suppose when you quit using that thing and post the src, i will be able to tell you why ! |
16:19 |
mod6 |
<< nuts huh << off of a Tiny, with 1 BON!! that's one for the books |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. you got better stuff to do. |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
it'd take all of half an hour. but anyway. |
16:24 |
nubbins` |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3di6zc/nick_szabos_hidden_work/ct5fk9s |
16:24 |
assbot |
mike_hearn comments on Nick Szabo's hidden work ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSoc9Z ) |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the big problem intel faces is that in a world where you can get a billion dollars for free just for being where the pellet landed in iraq, |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it makes very little sense to actually bother even trying to get the fine shit alligned |
16:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9003 @ 0.00054649 = 4.92 BTC [-] |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
"And the defect rate is particularly notable; at inception the software was unusually free of defect. Unlike many other initial Bitcoin packages which in their first releases were full of crashes and deadlocks Bitcoin was nearly free of them. Most of the serious bugs fixed subsequently were added by other people." |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"other people" |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
heheheheh. |
16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26680 @ 0.00054649 = 14.5804 BTC [-] |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
they were added by you (ie, hearn), and by gavin and so on. |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
l'enfer |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. the claim is not that the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship. the claim is that the original code is no good as in, not sane design. this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on the capacity of the author. |
16:27 |
nubbins` |
yup |
16:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0005475 = 15.0836 BTC [+] |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under the "they're kids and they mean well" header. |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, it became apparent that they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and they certainly do not mean well. |
16:30 |
BingoBoingo |
<assbot> Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing that |
16:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Phoundation nodes just respond |
16:31 |
ascii_field |
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0037.mediawiki << apparently |
16:31 |
assbot |
bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSpl1h ) |
16:31 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/a/xRHwZ |
16:31 |
assbot |
Box I found in my apartment - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSptOs ) |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203555 << these are separate issues. whether love or hate and whether curiosity or uncuriosity are perfectly orthogonal concerns. you can be lovingly uncurious, you can be hatefully curious, and the other two combos as well. |
16:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, and more importantly, other than the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as to the "nobody gains" part. how do you know this ? |
16:33 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: yours? they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps. |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
such as you know, things written by english native speakers. |
16:37 |
ascii_field |
this is the kind of field i refer to as 'of entomological interest' |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagined so. |
16:38 |
ascii_field |
'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer) |
16:39 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field not mine |
16:39 |
nubbins` |
i don't have w/e paperwork is required to purchase guns or ammo |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
well, the role of b-a in most people's lives at this point is i suppose this critical if at times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms they hold dear unexamidely. |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ironically, half the time this happens in response to someone asking b-a to stop being so radically self-centered. |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the root is, i suppose, the unwarranted expectation that choice predates existence, and that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible to "thinking people" which the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given that choice predates existence, and given that it is necessarily accessible, it then follows that one may only be informed by things one approves of. |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
so you know, if you decide you hate it then you couldn't possibly (in this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically. |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
so the doctor example is particularly cogent. the doctor, and more generally the scholar (called scientist these days) is the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke. |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
a rare enough trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase the population. |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
16:44 |
ascii_field |
think of the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide. |
16:44 |
ascii_field |
(fairly arbitrary example) |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
things like how trilema shapes the future irrespective of how many derps deem themselves to be "offended" by it and attempt in their meagre way to resist are obviously not well explained by that theory. |
16:51 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general's problem |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
oh ok... |
16:57 |
mats |
it is certainly an aesthetic concern |
16:57 |
mats |
and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity. |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
why ? |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ? |
16:58 |
mats |
because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did |
16:58 |
trinque |
mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even though you already knew it was rotten? |
16:58 |
trinque |
there's humor in that |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mats so anecdotally ? |
16:59 |
mats |
yes. |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was. |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
't ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the proportion of actual humans coming out, about the same throughout. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
it just doesn't matter, imo. |
17:06 |
nubbins` |
<+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one |
17:07 |
mats |
if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters |
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17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are. |
17:08 |
mats |
it stinks of intellectual laziness |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess. |
17:09 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in short, unpalatable as this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible. |
17:10 |
ascii_field |
who is surprised by this ? |
17:11 |
trinque |
ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective. |
17:11 |
trinque |
I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on |
17:11 |
trinque |
and am glad I didn't waste more of my career. |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs. |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the other sort broadly make titanics. |
17:12 |
* |
ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match |
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17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history" |
17:13 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ? |
17:13 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: I see that point too |
17:13 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
17:13 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: the problem lies with 'derps' not with the 'rewrite' |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire. |
17:14 |
ascii_field |
does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
neither. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on. |
17:16 |
ascii_field |
!s lightoller |
17:16 |
assbot |
5 results for 'lightoller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lightoller |
17:16 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921779 << old thread |
17:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, the experience of years and what we have always done outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.' |
17:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21789 @ 0.00054649 = 11.9075 BTC [-] |
17:23 |
punkman |
ascii_field, what did Lightoller do? |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
well he didnb't MAKE the titanic, in any case. |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't. |
17:30 |
ascii_field |
he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm' |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
at the one time when buying ibm was actually the rigfht move. |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing matches the perversity of justice. |
17:31 |
ascii_field |
why the right move? |
17:31 |
ascii_field |
i dun see it |
17:35 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdRycY2Xtg4 |
17:35 |
assbot |
Angela Merkel tells sobbing asylum seeker why she cannot stay in Germany - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9ObxF ) |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research |
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17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor." |
17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ? |
17:44 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
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18:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54590 @ 0.00055152 = 30.1075 BTC [+] {2} |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ah what the hell, i'll bite. |
18:11 |
mats |
well, yeah. its a hard problem |
18:11 |
mats |
black box and all |
18:12 |
ascii_field |
wai wut |
18:12 |
* |
ascii_field must have missed |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203713 << allow me to please you by pointing out that in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1201884 and similar, you actually misrepresent the strategic situation by failing to look at the whole history :D |
18:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match |
18:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys' |
18:12 |
mats |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203548 |
18:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 15:25:02; mats: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
specifically what i mean is this : |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense. |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
signed by the right key. |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes. |
18:13 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to be the only one pushing the heresy, no |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today. |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
"orthodoxy" is such a laughingstock people'd just switch with a sigh of relief. |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
ya see ? |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
(formally, once it no longer can be used to make predictions) |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
18:15 |
* |
ascii_field a little confused. possibly from too much x86 asm today |
18:16 |
ascii_field |
what is it that people would switch to ? |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
satoshi's own bitcoin 1.0 |
18:17 |
ascii_field |
built with vs, aha |
18:17 |
ascii_field |
hurry, switch. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
about the messiah, no factual claims may be made :) |
18:18 |
ascii_field |
the more i work with the eldritch horror, the less respect i have for this 'messiah' |
18:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203738 << uh, try reading up on the titanic crash? |
18:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel what specifically ? |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field nevertheless, the strategic considerations involved are what they are. |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the very notable reserve power behind it all is not the hoard. |
18:19 |
ascii_field |
gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink |
18:19 |
ascii_field |
before it hit the ice. |
18:19 |
gabriel_laddel |
ascii_field: yep. |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't he the guy organising the raft boats ? |
18:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name... |
18:20 |
ascii_field |
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf << original article |
18:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1gEijrg ) |
18:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
exact article I was thinking of |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ? |
18:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred? |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
"here is the new bitcoin" |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
combined with the hoard you may keep your doubtrs |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it. |
18:24 |
ascii_field |
so mircea_popescu would run a festering heap of shit like bitcoin 0.1, so long as it were signed with satoshi ? |
18:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://www.shagbase.com/one-piece-off-ass/ << lovely captions |
18:26 |
assbot |
Shagbase - One Piece of Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEiN0p ) |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
18:26 |
ascii_field |
i'll confess that my first thought, if anything were ever to appear signed with satoshi's key, that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated. |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
depends what it says. |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it. |
18:27 |
ascii_field |
well yes. |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover : the solution to the challenge is plainly there. |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
~that~ is what the hoard is for. |
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18:27 |
ascii_field |
but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ |
18:27 |
ascii_field |
vs merely a club. |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. ima be off ot eat. |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
we can continue later! |
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19:08 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2601&pr=0 |
19:08 |
assbot |
JL: Your Stolen Man Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxTq9g ) |
19:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64128 @ 0.00054481 = 34.9376 BTC [-] {2} |
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19:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21972 @ 0.00053338 = 11.7194 BTC [-] |
19:44 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit |
19:44 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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20:11 |
danielpbarron |
!up popmechanic |
20:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Hello popmechanic |
20:12 |
popmechanic |
Greetings:) |
20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Hello |
20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Anything in particular bring you here today? |
20:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00052484 = 36.004 BTC [-] |
20:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Avalon Jeff falls to senility https://archive.is/L3paQ |
20:17 |
assbot |
SwagPokerz comments on BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB on Nov 11, 2015. by jgarzik · Pull Request #6451 · bitcoin/bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oih8ZJ ) |
20:23 |
popmechanic |
Michael Goldstein referenced this channel on Twitter today. I hadn’t heard of it and am interested in Bitcoin so I thought I’d lurk for, oh, 6 months or so;) |
20:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68194 @ 0.00054844 = 37.4003 BTC [+] {2} |
20:26 |
BingoBoingo |
popmechanic: Sounds like a solid plan. Probably would be prudent to register. The you can self voice to ask questions. WHen asking questions you will probably get links which will lead you to the golden six months of logs to read. |
20:26 |
Adlai |
!h |
20:26 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
20:33 |
popmechanic |
!register 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF |
20:33 |
assbot |
Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF. This may take a few moments. |
20:33 |
assbot |
Key C6E7BDCF / "keybase.io/marcusestes <marcusestes@keybase.io>" successfully imported. |
20:33 |
assbot |
Registration successful. |
20:33 |
mats |
oh lawd |
20:34 |
mats |
does keybase have your private key, popmechanic? |
20:34 |
popmechanic |
no |
20:34 |
mats |
ok good |
20:35 |
BingoBoingo |
popmechanic: DO you work for Keybase or do they just offer email addy's at their domain. |
20:36 |
danielpbarron |
that means his key was generated in web browser via javascript, I think |
20:37 |
popmechanic |
Apparently they just offer email addresses? Not sure, first time I’ve used the service. I totally understand and am prepared to agree with a predjudice against a service like this, because they’re going to end up sitting on private keys. But it’s optional, and actually a pretty handy way to manage a few aspects of PGP management. |
20:37 |
popmechanic |
Correct, I believe the key is generated client side. |
20:37 |
trinque |
eh if it was generated in a browser it's still unsafe |
20:38 |
trinque |
how can you be sure you're running the JS they intended? (or that their JS intends well) |
20:38 |
danielpbarron |
it is possible to make your own key offline through keybase but I just don't see the point |
20:38 |
BingoBoingo |
popmechanic: What OS are you on? Javascript RNGs are notoriously unsafe. As unsafe as Pirate Party RNGs |
20:38 |
popmechanic |
Mac OS |
20:39 |
mats |
popmechanic: piling on a bit here, but i suggest running it through Phuctor, a service that attempts to factor keys with weak moduli -- http://nosuchlabs.com |
20:39 |
BingoBoingo |
popmechanic: Do you run Mac Ports? |
20:40 |
mats |
to date, Phuctor has broken 300+ keys. see: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats |
20:40 |
popmechanic |
I do, yes. |
20:40 |
BingoBoingo |
popmechanic: Build GPG, preferably a 1.4.x series version and do the key generation thing again |
20:42 |
BingoBoingo |
!up popmechanic |
20:44 |
Adlai |
mats: i'm not sure you're reading that quite right |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: Phuctor broke 95. The duplicate modulus is a different kind of warning than broken |
20:54 |
danielpbarron |
!up hazirafel |
21:00 |
mats |
oops |
21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: happens |
21:05 |
scoopbot_revived |
Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/ |
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21:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00054866 = 28.9418 BTC [+] |
21:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00054446 = 60.3806 BTC [-] {2} |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
received block 0000000000000000123a |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
REORGANIZE |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/295882 |
21:17 |
assbot |
Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBU4AC ) |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
OH SHIT REORG |
21:18 |
asciilifeform |
eh, sop |
21:18 |
asciilifeform |
just lulzy to see it when i randomly chanced to look at the latest crud scrolling by. |
21:19 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like phosphenes |
21:19 |
asciilifeform |
normally those happen once in a blue moon, largely for entirely harmless reasons, but, |
21:19 |
asciilifeform |
when one is being irradiated to death, sees quite a few of'em |
21:19 |
asciilifeform |
(or so i was told) |
21:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162500 @ 0.00052823 = 85.8374 BTC [-] |
21:21 |
BingoBoingo |
This is indeed an irradiating time |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
!up TheRealJohnGalt |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.04003,-80.595088,3a,75y,3.38h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1supX6Yd_ND2dyvMRDvs96Yw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x88de12494bab5cdb:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1?hl=en << usg miner |
21:28 |
assbot |
Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zkGj ) |
21:30 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: That's a big dish |
21:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-206-397-1975/4#p633425372283376590 << also lulzy rumour turd re: 'telco 214' |
21:33 |
assbot |
Getting calls from 206-397-1975? 4/9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zJZr ) |
21:38 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever write a piece about bernie cornfeld (1927-1995) ? |
21:38 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
21:43 |
decimation |
what does this 'reorg' business imply |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
forklet |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
more lulz, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471&aggregateId=domp-p97000056647-66b1a73f-30ca-492d-9daf-a39cf89e72cb&searchTerm=Telco%20214%20Us%2C%20Inc.&listNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471 |
21:47 |
assbot |
Detail by Entity Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ANwq ) |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
and in particular, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ConvertTiffToPDF?storagePath=COR1%5C2003%5C0421%5C80916068.Tif&documentNumber=P97000056647 |
21:47 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1J3AOjK ) |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
amendment. change name from 'IBSA, US, Inc' to 'Telco 214 US, Inc'. March 13, '03 |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
neither had any detectable public presence. |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
(other than the earlier link) |
21:50 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what do these companies do? |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
reminiscent of nothing more than the faux airlines used by cia |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash. |
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21:50 |
decimation |
lulz |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
(why not parcel it through sp4mz0rpr0x13z!!111 like everybody else? damned if i know) |
21:53 |
mats |
heh, how did you come upon this? |
21:53 |
decimation |
https://www.google.com/maps/place/2571+Kirby+Cir+NE,+Palm+Bay,+FL+32905 < check out their 'principle place of business' listed in their annual report |
21:53 |
assbot |
Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kaa5AY ) |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
mats: sheer accident |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: linked earlier |
21:54 |
decimation |
massive satellite dishes, multiple |
21:56 |
decimation |
biggest one is 12m according to google earth |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://whomined.com/#miner/37 |
21:57 |
* |
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this survey, but it is not uninteresting |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://cpsociety.org/thomas-ndomb << lulzy. the one other public mention of 'telco 214' i've found so far. |
21:59 |
assbot |
Thomas Ndomb « Cameroon Professional Society (CPS) Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaaNhq ) |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
https://openvpn.net/index.php/about-menu/advisory-board.html << and. |
22:01 |
assbot |
Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab2cj ) |
22:01 |
mats |
http://defcon.ws luls |
22:01 |
assbot |
DEF CON Cancellation: An Open Letter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab5oK ) |
22:01 |
decimation |
lemme see if I can figure out which satellite the minor dishes are pointed at |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....' |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
^ the fl gov paperwork mentions haba |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
he was one of the two founding partners. |
22:02 |
mats |
"I believe that we are in a post-hacker world ... We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others" |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
l0l!! |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
Had Problemz!! |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
'Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. ' |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
, I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. ' |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
trol0l0l0l |
22:03 |
mats |
DEFCON is not canceled, this is satire, for any casual observers |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
took me 30 sec or so |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
my first hypothesis was 'fella got truecrypted' |
22:05 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the northern two dishes appear to be pointed toward a heading of 107 degrees (true) |
22:05 |
decimation |
that would line them up with Intelsat 905 |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
!b 3 |
22:05 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KZ6Y7E.txt ) |
22:05 |
decimation |
it's easier than you would think to figure this out http://www.dishpointer.com/ |
22:06 |
assbot |
Satellite Finder / Dish Alignment Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabFTs ) |
22:06 |
decimation |
could also be SES-4 |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
it is not difficult, where i come from it was done with paper and pen |
22:06 |
decimation |
unfortunately the 12 meter dish is pointing up (probably 'safed') so I can't determine its bearing |
22:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00054878 = 28.5914 BTC [+] {2} |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
not like you can hide a four-tonne tub of shit in orbit |
22:07 |
decimation |
at any rate here's its orbital footprint http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/footprints/Intelsat-905-Global.html |
22:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KabY0k ) |
22:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43414 @ 0.00055299 = 24.0075 BTC [+] {2} |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
consistent with 'spam phones for africa' |
22:08 |
decimation |
it has spot beams that cover africa, europe - and here's its 'public transponder listing' http://www.lyngsat.com/Intelsat-905.html |
22:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1J3CzgW ) |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
(the nominal business profile, to the extent one is known) |
22:11 |
decimation |
http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020605.html "Each of the new Intelsat IX series satellites carries 76 C-band and 22 Ku-band operating transponders (in 36 MHz equivalents), and its solar arrays will generate more than 8.6 kilowatts of power (beginning of life)." |
22:11 |
assbot |
LORAL-BUILT INTELSAT 905 TELECOMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE SUCCESSFULLY LAUNCHED ... ( http://bit.ly/1KacmMu ) |
22:11 |
decimation |
plenty of bandwidth for an african isp |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
sounds like they're speaking of analogue bandwidth, to be fair |
22:11 |
decimation |
yes, of course |
22:13 |
decimation |
but they typically use 8 or 4 psk in those analog segments |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
from 'intelsat' www, it would appear that they serve nigerian sp4mz0r and homeland severity alike |
22:15 |
decimation |
the lyngsat page says that at least two of the 30 MHz transponders are dedicated to AOL |
22:16 |
decimation |
employing "ACM" which apparently switches between 4psk and 16 qam, which would allow a gross throughput of approx 60-120 megabit/sec |
22:16 |
decimation |
per 30 mhz channel |
22:17 |
decimation |
now, if these folks are running miners, the question is 'why over sat link' |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
https://ipinfo.io/AS35863 |
22:18 |
assbot |
AS35863 Telco 214, Inc. - ipinfo.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3DgqG ) |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
and who said it was over satlink |
22:18 |
decimation |
well, that office doesn't look like a very big data center |
22:18 |
decimation |
also, did you note the military looking vehicles in their parking lot? |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
i only see ordinary cars |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
4 of'em |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
(google 'street' dated april '11) |
22:21 |
decimation |
no, look in the back of the lot |
22:21 |
decimation |
you can see on streeview from the east side |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
link? |
22:22 |
decimation |
I donno if you can link streetview |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
sure you can |
22:24 |
decimation |
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.04002,-80.594633,3a,15y,350.65h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szEyWP8_Z1sLrfJUNbmMH6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 |
22:24 |
assbot |
Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kae1l2 ) |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
l0l aha |
22:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35512 @ 0.00055305 = 19.6399 BTC [+] |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.0411393,-80.5949096,217m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1 |
22:28 |
assbot |
Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaezY6 ) |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. |
22:29 |
decimation |
yeah, that's my first guess too |
22:29 |
decimation |
an odd business anyway |
22:29 |
decimation |
it's odd they have such a massive dish too |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it |
22:29 |
decimation |
it's possible they use the massive dish to hit geo stuff that's very low on the horizon |
22:30 |
decimation |
but that dish would cost a couple $ mil easy |
22:31 |
decimation |
one wild theory: this isp and its hangers-on are 'owned' by some tinpot dictator in africa |
22:31 |
decimation |
who also has access to 'free' electricity - which he uses to mine |
22:32 |
decimation |
nigeria, for example, is drowning in cheap crude oil - could be 'diverted' to power someone's bitcoin mining operation |
22:32 |
decimation |
for what reason God only knows |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. << I remember in the old Tom Clancy novels his various supposed NatSec agencies being funded by "spamzors" and their financial equivalent. |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform not afaik. |
22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it << Truck like that keeps itself |
22:36 |
decimation |
??? how |
22:40 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: How does truck keep self? |
22:40 |
decimation |
yeah? rusts, burns oil |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
crude oil is not realy useful to power an electric plant. |
22:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144950 @ 0.00054623 = 79.176 BTC [-] {4} |
22:42 |
decimation |
sure, if you don't give a shit about nasty emissions |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
nah. gotta appreciate, power plants are products of industry like anything else |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
plenty of models made to run onm the heavy stuff left after gas distillation |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
none of them run on crude, not since 1880 at any rate. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
putting gasoline in a diesel engine is not unlike putting crude oil in a tar or coal plant. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
and obv the naturasl gas models won't burn it |
22:43 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: I was more thinking about how such vehicles create space for themselves. |
22:46 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: ships, big power plants run on heavy fuel oil |
22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, but heavy oil is not crude |
22:49 |
decimation |
www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/ < they literally refine it in jungle conditions |
22:49 |
TomServo |
In other news, I noticed this blurb on the OpenBSD octeon page today: "In June 2015 USB support was added which finally allowed installing to local disk on machines lacking a CF slot." |
22:49 |
BingoBoingo |
TomServo: Cool |
22:49 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-07-2015#1195719 |
22:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-07-2015 21:57:04; decimation: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future |
22:50 |
TomServo |
The docs don't exactly reflect it, but I can confirm the snapshot of 5.8 does see and boot from usb. |
22:50 |
decimation |
TomServo: did you install directly onto usb? |
22:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Nice, made it in before 5.8 hit Beta this week |
22:50 |
decimation |
or did you write image from another computer? |
22:50 |
TomServo |
Booted via tftp, installed from there |
22:50 |
decimation |
ah, thanks for the good report |
22:51 |
TomServo |
np |
22:51 |
TomServo |
excited to have just gotten my first console on the edgerouter |
22:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70789 @ 0.00055363 = 39.1909 BTC [+] {2} |
22:55 |
decimation |
so the 5.8 release will probably be in the autumn sometime? |
22:55 |
decimation |
http://www.utahrails.net/up/bunker-c.php < interesting discussion on bunker-c fuel oil |
22:55 |
assbot |
Union Pacific, Bunker 'C' ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkAA2 ) |
22:55 |
TomServo |
November, if I recall correctly. |
22:55 |
decimation |
"Most oil-fired steam locomotives used Bunker C, although in some parts of the country they actually burned raw crude oil. As noted before, Bunker C was readily available and dirt cheap. (Steve Lee, April 18, 2000, via email to The Streamliner discussion group)" |
22:56 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: November |
22:57 |
decimation |
https://powergen.gepower.com/plan-build/products/gas-turbines/9e-03-gas-turbine.html < would burn in something like this |
22:57 |
assbot |
9E.03 / 9E.04 Gas Turbine (50 Hz) | GE Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkVTo ) |
22:57 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Point releases happen in May and November on the first |
22:57 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: ah thanks |
22:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44551 @ 0.00055454 = 24.7053 BTC [+] {2} |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps |
| |
↖ |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
because who the fuck else would not know what fuel he wants to burn |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case the generality comes at an efficiency cost. |
23:04 |
decimation |
well, a turbine can burn anything. but it's true that if you are burning raw crude it will foul your turbine and require much more maintenance |
23:05 |
decimation |
because of all the solvents and other shit in the oil |
23:06 |
decimation |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_GTELs < us railroads used to run these right through the middle of the countryside, belching foul shit |
23:06 |
assbot |
Union Pacific GTELs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOmIro ) |
23:06 |
BingoBoingo |
They still run through the middle of my countryside, still belch foul shit |
23:07 |
decimation |
yeah but probably all diesel now |
23:10 |
decimation |
it seems the real problem with burning crude or heavy fuel oil is that if you have enough civilization to refine the oil, you can make it into much more profitable products |
23:10 |
decimation |
the net effect being that the amount of 'heavy fuel' (bunker b and c) has shrunk compared to old process - making it more expensive than just using diesel |
23:11 |
decimation |
this isn't really true in areas that have no advanced refining available |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
soo... imo musk's electric car has failed to reach the sort of growth patterns and penetration goals it needed to survive. it therefore peaked sometime last year, and it will go the same way all the numerous attempts at an electric car since the 20s have went. |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone wanna enter into a tesla stock swap with me / |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
? |
23:12 |
decimation |
lul |
23:13 |
decimation |
you should make a F.DERP for it? |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204022 << the ultimate such is said to be... 'abrams' tank. |
23:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 17-07-2015 03:03:55; mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
which burns, iirc, ten litres, just to start |
23:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes, but could probably run on 'jungle oil' if it isn't solidified |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
there is good reason to build a universal engine into a tank intended for 1950s style attreition war. |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Union_Pacific_first_generation_GTEL_locomotive_1953.JPG << electric car, ftr. |
23:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1fOop8j ) |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
1923 Detroit Electric. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
late in the game, too |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
height of electromobile was 1890s |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
(exactly the hipster car of today, incdentally. marketed to women and doctors, had curved glass panes, etc) |
23:18 |
decimation |
honestly elon musk strikes me as a highbrow scammer |
23:18 |
decimation |
he's figured out how to sell 'dreams' in exchange for usg subsidy and hype |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the case of all us "entrepreneurs" active today. |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
what's mark cuban ? |
23:19 |
decimation |
to be fair, he does deliver products - rockets, cars, etc |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
scammed yahoo out of a billion, once |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
made 100 different decisions since, 100 of which were wrong. |
23:19 |
decimation |
but the economic prospects appear highly dubious |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
a man batting < 1% is certainly not possessed of a clue in the field. |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
yet he sleeps ad libitum. |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
all idiots sleep well. |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the mark of idiocy. |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
sorta the converse of the usual 'if yer so smart, why aitcha rich' line |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
'if he's such a moron, why does he sleep ad libitum and has no fear of having to do honest wurk' |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
ditto branson |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol branson, another fine example. |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
he's the business world equivalent of a russian prison whore. |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
every cock was in his asshole. |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
yet no matter what these folks do, they never seem to end up begging for change |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
or washing cars |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
'wouldn't do', to have royalty besmirched thus |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
msot of them do, yes. |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the substantial difference between the subset here named and the rest of the set consisting of various reddit experts and your spamming friend has nothing to do with them |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
re: oils: was very surprised to discover english (!) piece, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazut |
23:26 |
assbot |
Mazut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTrt98 ) |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
some earthworms find incredible caches of forgotten artefacts. doth not qualify them as archeologists. |
23:27 |
mats |
tesla doesn't sell electric cars |
23:28 |
mats |
they sell batteries and infrastructure |
23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
romania has a bunch of these "intreprinzatori de carton", ie, cardboard entrepreneurs. one notable case (currently in jail) got to keep ~2bn worth of romanian govt money in 1989, on condition of supporting his friends. |
23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
kept getting 3-500mn/year after that |
23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
never actually supported anyone worth a squat and is now ~broke |
23:28 |
decimation |
mats: ?? they have dealer rooms? |
23:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005594 = 23.9144 BTC [+] {2} |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: these are sop in the orc world, ru being perhaps the absolute epicentre. but in usa they are especially lulzy on account of the elaborate presences of 'doing business' |
23:29 |
mats |
that was hyperbolic but you see my point yes? |
23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mats the offer stands, you know. |
23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform just as ellaborate on the other side. |
23:29 |
mats |
hey, didn't say i'd bet against you |
23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
catering to different expecations, yes, but anyway |
23:29 |
mats |
they are massively overvalued right now and i would not be interested in taking the other side |
23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
23:30 |
mats |
decimation: http://www.cnet.com/news/teslas-elon-musk-introduces-beautiful-money-saving-home-battery-back-up-system etc |
23:30 |
assbot |
Tesla's Elon Musk introduces 'beautiful' money-saving home battery backup system - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTs0I1 ) |
23:30 |
decimation |
yes, note that this battery system costs many times more than lead-acid |
23:31 |
decimation |
thus appealing to the kinds of people who want to store electricity but don't care about how much things cost |
23:31 |
trinque |
I've seen a great many Solar City fliers around, speaking of Musk. |
23:31 |
trinque |
(in Portland) |
23:31 |
trinque |
hilariously, these would be useless during the rainy season |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: who 'doesn't care what it costs' - uses pumped hydro |
23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, yes they produce cars, and the model s sold a whopping... 75k units |
23:31 |
decimation |
trinque: they also rely heavily on subsidy |
23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
that's exactly detroit electric volume touched up for the intervening century. |
23:32 |
trinque |
decimation: certainly, and loose financing |
23:32 |
mats |
asciilifeform: yes, and all usable sources have already been dammed |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ~pumped~ |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
as in, gigantic bottles. |
23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
mats: energy storage. |
23:32 |
mats |
oh, right. up and down hills and mountains. |
23:32 |
mats |
i forgot how efficient it is |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
beats li ion |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
and the water - doesn't wear out after 200 cycles |
23:33 |
decimation |
yeah, as in pumping to high lake and draining when needed, like this plant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station |
23:33 |
assbot |
Dinorwig Power Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTskGR ) |
23:34 |
mats |
fuck, people are still setting off fireworks in my area |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
usg actually had (has?) some chick leading a crackpot mains current to hydrocarbon (yes, electrolysis + oddball catalysts) mega-wunderwaffen dept. in the navy |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
no idea if it ever came up with a working nuke-to-petrol magic box. |
23:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: whatever for? |
23:35 |
decimation |
lol |
23:35 |
decimation |
if you wanna waste electricity like that, might as well just split water and use hydrogen |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
fueling up jets from seawater + nuke plant, was the notion. |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
can't do worth shit with h2 |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
certainly not in a jet |
23:35 |
decimation |
yeah at least not in any existing ones |
23:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0005649 = 14.9134 BTC [+] |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
anything involving gaseous h2 is the archetypical 'assembly line for ph.d.' |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
ever seen a hose for liquid h ? |
23:36 |
decimation |
heh I've seen pictures |
23:36 |
mats |
any idea what fuels modern jets? certainly not jp-9 anymore? |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
just about. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
iirc same thing everyone else burns |
23:36 |
decimation |
kerosene, more or less |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc the "ethanol jet" thing got canned |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
jp-a |
23:38 |
mats |
>A kerosene-based fuel, JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34. |
23:38 |
mats |
how about that. late 70s tech still keeping the lights on. |
23:38 |
decimation |
sure, turbine burns kerosene just fine |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
fuels haven't really changed (for the better) in a century. |
23:39 |
decimation |
you could also burn 'heavy fuel oil' in theory, but that's not a terribly great idea in a high reliablity application |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
(for worse? sure! where i live, what comes out of the filling station is 10% ethanol ~by law~) |
23:39 |
decimation |
but the abrams tank would burn jp-8 just fine |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
it will burn restaurant grease |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
by some accounts |
23:39 |
decimation |
yeah, probably anything that will run through the pumps |
23:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Conde Nast & Obama https://archive.is/XLc4K |
23:41 |
assbot |
Condé Nast's CFO Tried To Pay $2,500 for a Night With a Gay Porn Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOs1qT ) |
23:42 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds |
23:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005649 = 5.2536 BTC [+] |
23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
something liek that |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the alternative was also unpalatable tho. you don't want to engage in a bidding war with the dying gm/ford thing for their lasty remaining shred of relevancy |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll end up overpaying. |
23:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00054734 = 27.2302 BTC [-] |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, as a fun tidbit : the 2010 tesla ipo, first us carmaker ipo since ww2, came to half the recently reported plenty of fish sale |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
thing is, gm/ford vs tesla is a 'best horse in the glue factory' contest |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
american automobility has a very short life expectancy as a going concern |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
(plenty of fish being the 5th or so dating site sold in a decade, which "Dating site" is the twelfth or so wheel on the social media band wagon) |
23:46 |
decimation |
the only american autos that 'actual people' buy are trunks |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform precisely. |
23:46 |
decimation |
trucks |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
<ascii_field> but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ << intellectual authority is a very simple thing in capitalism. see it at work in how the "blockchain size increase" was tranched : once someone says "this is how much it costs", the derps willing to talk were separated from the people willing to pay. |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
on a tinier scale, just happened above re tesla, too. |
23:47 |
decimation |
yeah, but what market? the 950/1000 block rule? |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
in the end, it reduces to "does he have the intellectual authority to bluff". well... do you have the intellectual authority to call it ? |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i mean the original, end of 2014/2015 dispute, about "herp derp we'll raise the block limit" |
23:48 |
decimation |
ah yes |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you misunderstood. |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
satoshi could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have everyone (everyone that matters, ie, with money!) presented with the dilemma : do they buy up the stash ? or do they move on to the strange ? |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the only legitimate way to resolve disputes. |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
if his strange sucks, he has nothing to stand on. |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
if his strange does not suck, you can keep talking about its strangeness all you want. |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
but suppose that it is something quite like bitcoin circa '09. |
23:49 |
trinque |
it would be an incredible thing if the man has the keys and has shown this much restraint |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
which did not suck (at least mathematically) in any particularly discernible way |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque not that incredible. |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform all i can say is i'd consider it fully. |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, not even the us supreme court rules without a case. |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
'does not suck' today, i dare say, is a higher bar than in '09, when there was no bitcoin |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
surely. |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
on that point can there be no debate |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
but 5bn is NO SORT OF MAXINT |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
^ point |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a minint in this game. |
23:50 |
decimation |
^ yes, bitcoin is still peanuts |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
esp. given as it is denominated in zimbabwean unit |
23:51 |
decimation |
which satoshi realizes, of course |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e. there are probably not 5bn 'turkey-buying-capable' dollars on planet) |
23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
complicated matters. |
23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i'm off. cheerios. |
23:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66391 @ 0.00054213 = 35.9926 BTC [-] {3} |
23:58 |
* |
asciilifeform had a thought: possibly, if satoshi's stash were ~larger~ than it is, he could be considered 'beyond reproach' if he were to surface and propose a fork, on the logic that he could not stand to gain from any deception. but it still would not rule out usgification, or simple error. |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
at the risk of beating the record of mircea_popescu's pessimism on the subject of 'future bitcoin': i currently suspect that protocol change might be the proverbial 'stone so heavy, god cannot lift' |