| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
where does it break btcalpha ? |
| 00:00 |
williamdunne |
I'm assuming btcalpha is parsing the API in its current state |
| 00:00 |
williamdunne |
So if it were changed so that it uses valid json |
| 00:00 |
williamdunne |
It would break |
| 00:01 |
williamdunne |
Unless its using the DB files |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
doubt it tbh. |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly. |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BxbLyO_ng |
| 00:07 |
assbot |
BABA BOSSU DELA MEDIAS 2014 DE MUIE LA FRAIERI - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzAjPb ) |
| 00:07 |
williamdunne |
Either way though, could use some valid json |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
re: 'Tumblr dot TXT' >> would be interesting to learn how it was censored |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
(notice, archive copy, original is long vanished) |
| 00:11 |
BingoBoingo |
So who can speak frog an write an qntra piece? https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalis.net%2Fspip.php%3Fpage%3Dbreves-article%26id_article%3D4580&edit-text= |
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| 00:11 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1JzAM3V ) |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
can has original url ? |
| 00:11 |
danielpbarron |
original is long vanished << today vanished |
| 00:17 |
danielpbarron |
would be interesting to learn how it was censored << lots of people all clicking "this account is offensive" |
| 00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I'm a bit soaked in ETOH trying to protect my liver from cutaneous triclopyr exposure earlier today, not sure how to extract from Google clutches |
| 00:17 |
* |
BingoBoingo is kind of aware BingoBoingo is not a broadleaf weed, but still taking post exposure prophylaxis against strange chemicals |
| 00:17 |
danielpbarron |
http://www.legalis.net/spip.php?page=breves-article&id_article=4580 |
| 00:17 |
assbot |
BREVES | Prison avec sursis pour la décompilation illicite du code de Skype | Legalis.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzBBtp ) |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
some dude in caen got sent to jail for publishing a reverse-engineered version of skype |
| 00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Really? |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
6 months in prison (suspended) and 3500 euro fine |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this not really qntra is it ? |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
court even rejected unliquidated damages. |
| 00:20 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Because the target was MS-limb Skype and the impact makes a contrast to the "American Approach" could be a qntra |
| 00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
well, that |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
's all that's in there. what the guy actually reversed (of note) was the rc4 compression, and what really got them boiling is that he published it on his blog. |
| 00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, everybody's fucked that RC4 slut. |
| 00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
| 00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it's really... marginal in all respects. |
| 00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
How many people have been punished for it? |
| 00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
A hook is: what really got them boiling is that he published it on his blog. |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
well...punished. his lawyer prolly cost more. |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
but sure, if you wanna go into that |
| 00:24 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm afraid to touch translations of the French language, but a certain subset of my WoT seems comfortable enough I'd publish their writeups on a Frog story |
| 00:25 |
BingoBoingo |
If this were a derp seemingly so treated in an Arizona court I would be all over this |
| 00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Like Candida on a BBW |
| 00:26 |
mircea_popescu |
https://getfedora.org/static/0608B895.txt << check it out, epel signs |
| 00:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EmfDpb ) |
| 00:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Doesn't pretty much every linux Distro try to at least pretend to the PGP signed sherezade? |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
nope |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
first one i've seen today. |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Nah, I'm not talking the "essential" "accessories" the distros themselves try to put up a PGP front |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Even if it means actual vitals are missing and unsigned |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i gues epel counts as a distro |
| 01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
The *buttu derps kinda set the bar low on what counts as a "distro" |
| 01:00 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54651 even more lulz |
| 01:01 |
assbot |
Bug 54651 – mod_remoteip ends up trusting IPs that it doesn't check ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVuV9L ) |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
note that nothing actually works in a number of different ways |
| 01:03 |
danielpbarron |
http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/post/73293915224/tho-is-aave-just-to-let-you-know |
| 01:03 |
assbot |
The Rogue Feminist • "Tho" is AAVE just to let you know ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVvqR6 ) |
| 01:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Who could have known that "The Catcher in the Rye" was about computing and JD Salinger was a time machine victim exponsed to Ubuntu |
| 01:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3678 @ 0.00028616 = 1.0525 BTC [-] |
| 01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
dude... "aave" is NOT a thing. it used to be. |
| 01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and tho is about as common as nosejobs. |
| 01:48 |
danielpbarron |
!ud headmate |
| 01:48 |
danielpbarron |
;;ud headmate |
| 01:48 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HeadMate | Apr 7, 2013 ... Headmate. A term thrown around mostly by people on tumblr. People who haven' t seen the sun in long enough begin to hallucinate vividly, ... |
| 01:55 |
danielpbarron |
used in a sentence: "I guess im in a polyamorous relationship since me and lelonia are both dating but I dont really feel like Im dating her&plus shes a headmate" |
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~ 35 minutes ~ |
| 02:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00030166 = 2.4863 BTC [+] |
| 02:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!up mixdio |
| 02:38 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically it's alienation driven dissociation ? |
| 02:42 |
Adlai |
the second UD definition seems much more accurate: |
| 02:42 |
Adlai |
"Some people can claim different ethnicities or sexualities, thus allowing them to join an autonomous caucus (for instance queer or women’s) that they were not otherwise entitled to join" |
| 02:42 |
Adlai |
also http://sjwnewspeak.tumblr.com/post/73525605704/headmates |
| 02:42 |
assbot |
Social Justice Newspeak Explained, Headmates ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXNBoc ) |
| 02:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh shit, this new Marvel movie is actually smart. Perfect allegory for psot-Silk-Road Bitcoin. |
| 02:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00030895 = 2.209 BTC [+] |
| 02:50 |
BingoBoingo |
James Spader plays an evil robot on point, and... Disney spent 4 Josh Hamiltons or 1 Coinbase on a film. |
| 02:51 |
mircea_popescu |
disney can afford it |
| 02:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously good Bitcoin allegory though. I will have to sober watch and blog up. |
| 02:55 |
trinque |
Adlai: I assume you have now slept off your drunkeness; I meanwhile have found my own |
| 02:55 |
* |
Adlai sips coffee and blinks |
| 02:56 |
trinque |
tell you what; this country is a shitty place, but I have the good fortune to have met a handful of americans worth knowing |
| 02:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/42af915a8e33bb34894c48fcada7f1e0/tumblr_n79932CrxD1r2k92so1_1280.jpg and good night! |
| 02:56 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HXQKUT ) |
| 03:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14799 @ 0.00030895 = 4.5722 BTC [+] |
| 03:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5210 @ 0.00030895 = 1.6096 BTC [+] |
| 03:26 |
Adlai |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
Thank you. |
| 03:26 |
Adlai |
no thank YOU |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
1. A WoT host has been mentioned a few times in the logs - MP's new hosts (abusehosting.ru) accept bitcoin. It is probably easier to get them into the WoT than to start a new hosting company, which (understandably) no one wants to do. See also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2014#565389 |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-03-2014 14:54:45; nubbins`: "hey guys i'd like to open a sandwich shop, is there any place i can buy deli meats in bulk?" |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
2. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-04-2015#1114502 << Vocabulary note: code and data reduce to "information". |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-04-2015 21:47:49; trinque: unix's "everything is a file" is a poor man's "everything is data" |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
3. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105913 << http://youtu.be/fJR1UFX2GVY?t=4m15s2 |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-04-2015 19:23:08; mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard you know the very notion that someone thinks themselves gay and jewish... it's like... the quadriplegic swimmer or something. the 98 yo beauty queen |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Dana International - Tel Aviv Pride Parade 2014 דנה אינטרנשיונל במצעד הגאווה - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsIMBb ) |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
4. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-04-2015#1114416 << Auotools is 150k LoC. Might as well just require SBCL at that point. |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-04-2015 20:56:45; ascii_field: i'd be open to a purely gnumake-based thing instead of the sh |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
5. <mircea_popescu> kinda why i'm discovering all i really like off unix these days is like... curl. grep. << http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/old-age-and-treachery.html |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
The Treacherous Optimization ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsIMBd ) |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
6. Baltimore, cf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Armed Korean Merchants Protect Stores - 1992 LA Riots - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsIMBj ) |
| 03:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
韓流 ftw. |
| 03:26 |
* |
Adlai splurts coffee all over irc too |
| 03:27 |
Adlai |
gabriel_laddel: at the very least, sending those in with a few-second delay would let assbot annotate the logs in a more readable manner |
| 03:27 |
Adlai |
she can't spam faster than the speed of flood |
| 03:27 |
gabriel_laddel |
kk, I |
| 03:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
ll try harder next time. |
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| 03:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
7. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113989 << When I change the argument list, rename a procedure, use an unnamed reference why are the holes not marked or filled? Why must I manually declare my local variables and functions? Can't the current top level expression be searched for occurrences then factored out on a keystroke? Why must I balance strings, whatever the level of nesting or escaping? Can th |
| 03:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-04-2015 17:16:36; mircea_popescu: think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ? |
| 03:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
is not be handled automatically? Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? If I modify a package or system definition at runtime, shouldn't I be prompted to write that change to the defining expression? Why must I optimize my programs and add type annotations? Can't test data be used to add typing annotations in an automated manner? Can't this information inform modifications of the program's fundamenta |
| 03:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
l data structures to those appropriate for the information being pushed through it? If the type information exists, shouldn't it inform auto-completion? Shouldn't I be able to query over the type signature, known return types and lambda list of all procedures? |
| 03:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
Why isn't all this information part of the version control toolchain? I can't query over all commits to find those that changed `some-function'..? WHAT THE FUCK IS HTTP? All I want to do is expose a procedure to a network - how is this more difficult than selecting a list of procedures which are then exposed? |
| 03:28 |
* |
Adlai isn't sure "harder" is the right dimension |
| 03:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
heh |
| 03:29 |
Adlai |
Why must I manually declare my local variables << scoping |
| 03:29 |
Adlai |
automagic scoping goes wrong once you start messing with eg closures |
| 03:29 |
gabriel_laddel |
Nah - say I have this expression: (+ (x 4) k (x 4)) |
| 03:30 |
Adlai |
contrived example is contrived |
| 03:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
I should be able to have a cursor on either one of the (x 4) and hit a keystroke to extract it into a let binding |
| 03:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
I know |
| 03:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
Just trying to point MP at something |
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| 03:30 |
Adlai |
you mean turning that into (let ((y (x 4))) (+ y k y)) ? |
| 03:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
yep. |
| 03:31 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ anyway, all of the above are simple if you adknowledge that you've got to operate on an AST |
| 03:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
if you don't you'll be fucked, because generating syntatically correct code means AST manipulations |
| 03:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
in lisp easy peasy pie |
| 03:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
in ALGOL |
| 03:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
heh |
| 03:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
clang's AST crud is >100k LoC |
| 03:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'll note that I wrote a prototype for the RPC described above - ran into an issue with TCP or the library I was using it from. Messages were disappearing in flight. |
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| 03:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
8. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-04-2015#1113452 << Masamune is based on funtoo, which is gentoo without SystemD. |
| 03:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-04-2015 23:07:20; mircea_popescu: i'd settle for a well documented and judiciously defaulted gentoo. |
| 03:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
If someone would like to make themselves useful and move us that much closer to a source-only #-assets distribution, a CL interface to portage is desperately needed. |
| 03:35 |
* |
Adlai hasn't yet recovered from elisp overdose |
| 03:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
Adlai: you're piping data back and forth from CL to elisp or...? |
| 03:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
Portage has a USE flag (what is that? Idk, some nonsense abstraction) for docs so you can tell it to build all docs, but it gets caught in cyclic dependencies atm. |
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| 03:35 |
Adlai |
tried to read masamune code |
| 03:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
Oh... |
| 03:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
Whoops. |
| 03:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
I should commit |
| 03:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
Anyways, if someone were to move portage to CLOS detecting cycles is easy, hence we can have all the documentation we ever wanted |
| 03:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
I should note that masamune installs |
| 03:37 |
gabriel_laddel |
something went wrong with imaxima and gnuplot in portage - it only works on one of my machines now |
| 03:37 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ http://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/ this is probably a good place to start for portage -> CL |
| 03:37 |
assbot |
Portage Documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI1HfK ) |
| 03:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
basically all one needs is |
| 03:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
emerge -s maxima ;; searches maxima |
| 03:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
equery y maxima ;; shows available versions of maxima |
| 03:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
emerge info maxima ;; get all information |
| 03:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
Another useful thing someone could do is to figure out how we would go about generating a canonical hardware -> driver mapping |
| 03:41 |
gabriel_laddel |
https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/blob/master/util.lisp#L591 |
| 03:41 |
assbot |
masamune/util.lisp at master · gabriel-laddel/masamune · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI2uNY ) |
| 03:41 |
trinque |
"I can't query over all commits" << man I yell about wanting to query the state of everything constantly |
| 03:41 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ this contains information about how to get a list of all hardware - the kernel can determine hardware -> driver mappings somehow. Find, document. |
| 03:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: one can trivially query over ASTs |
| 03:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
regarding comprehensible computing - an observation, sbcl vs. GCC |
| 03:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
~398k LoC vs. >14 million |
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| 03:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
SBCL has a %6 C core for GC stuff |
| 03:43 |
trinque |
grammar : AST :: schema : rows |
| 03:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: I don't know how to read that. |
| 03:44 |
gabriel_laddel |
one could tear out all windows crud from SBCL, and replace the C crud with some clever assembler hacks in a manner similar to what I've been told T did. |
| 03:44 |
gabriel_laddel |
anyways... |
| 03:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html |
| 03:45 |
assbot |
History of T ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI3tgZ ) |
| 03:45 |
Adlai |
trinque: make them all equal! tables of cons cells! cdr-coded self-joins! |
| 03:45 |
trinque |
Adlai: when does relational algebra get its "cycle" |
| 03:45 |
Adlai |
three bushels of hax |
| 03:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
Adlai: tables of cons cells? |
| 03:46 |
trinque |
fwiw the best relational system is probably yet to be built, and is probably made of lisp |
| 03:46 |
Adlai |
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115010 |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 00:40:05; Adlai: trinque: what, you want a table with two columns, CAR and CDR? |
| 03:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
!s reflections on trusting trust |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
3 results for 'reflections on trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=reflections+on+trusting+trust |
| 03:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
Adlai: I saw that - but wtf |
| 03:46 |
trinque |
it's just lists of lists after all, with something which guards inserts/updates into it |
| 03:46 |
* |
Adlai is trollinque |
| 03:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
ah |
| 03:47 |
trinque |
you lispfolk can rip the relational database from my dead hands |
| 03:47 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: ummm |
| 03:47 |
trinque |
it's fine for pulling levers on my database, but that's it |
| 03:47 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: one can just query over ASTs |
| 03:47 |
gabriel_laddel |
like, say that I want to find all javascript functions with 3 arguments |
| 03:48 |
trinque |
you can have an invalid AST in lisp, in terms of your grammar; no one stops you from making any pile of cons cells |
| 03:48 |
gabriel_laddel |
correct |
| 03:48 |
trinque |
if I represent a grammar in SQL tables you cannot fuck it up |
| 03:48 |
gabriel_laddel |
hmmm. |
| 03:48 |
trinque |
any atomic alteration of the state of it cannot be wrong |
| 03:48 |
trinque |
I can bitch slap your mistakes with constraints and the very structure of my schema |
| 03:48 |
trinque |
that is what I love about it |
| 03:49 |
Adlai |
this is starting to sound like unfeature #4 |
| 03:49 |
Adlai |
put more constructively: does your constraint grammer allow for extending itself? |
| 03:50 |
trinque |
sure, but specifically how |
| 03:50 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ ding ding ding |
| 03:50 |
trinque |
nah hold on |
| 03:50 |
gabriel_laddel |
as for the js ast |
| 03:50 |
trinque |
what's meant by that |
| 03:50 |
gabriel_laddel |
(filter (lambda (l) (and (eq :function (car l)) (= 3 (length (nth 2 l))))) (js-ast #P"~/somejsfile.js")) |
| 03:50 |
trinque |
of course one can alter schema at will |
| 03:50 |
Adlai |
can you stick some row into some table of constraint specifications, which lets future-you insert previously-invalid rows |
| 03:50 |
trinque |
I don't know why people act like relational databases are cast in iron |
| 03:51 |
trinque |
Adlai: writable system catalog released by my old employer https://github.com/aquametalabs/pg_meta |
| 03:51 |
assbot |
aquametalabs/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI56eK ) |
| 03:51 |
trinque |
so yeah, you can just insert into that and alter the database arbitrarily |
| 03:52 |
trinque |
so one of the projects I built with that is a schema generator given some ebnf representation of a grammar |
| 03:52 |
trinque |
along with automatic to-string for the ASTs |
| 03:52 |
trinque |
so you can metaprogram like a motherfucker in an rdbms |
| 03:52 |
trinque |
SQL is just a terrible syntax. |
| 03:53 |
gabriel_laddel |
yeah that sounds like a lot of work |
| 03:53 |
trinque |
no, not really |
| 03:53 |
trinque |
SQL's a highly functional language, easy to think about |
| 03:54 |
trinque |
it's just operating on sets |
| 03:54 |
gabriel_laddel |
"automatic to-string for the ASTs" |
| 03:54 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ sounds like a bitch - but I'm lazy... |
| 03:54 |
Adlai |
sounds like a defmethod print-object |
| 03:55 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel: it's just a join between the tables that represent the grammar and the AST tables |
| 03:56 |
trinque |
so you can pull lexer tokens out of the former for example that aren't in the AST itself |
| 03:56 |
gabriel_laddel |
holy fuck no |
| 03:56 |
trinque |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 03:56 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: you're just learning CL, right? |
| 03:57 |
gabriel_laddel |
or, like, looking at it now? |
| 03:57 |
trinque |
I'm surprised you find the relational model controversial. |
| 03:58 |
trinque |
I don't see how it's incompatible at all with lisp. |
| 03:58 |
Adlai |
what's wrong with extending code-is-data to another data format? |
| 03:58 |
gabriel_laddel |
I don't find it controversial at all |
| 03:58 |
gabriel_laddel |
I find the parsing to be a gigantic PITA |
| 03:58 |
Adlai |
(beyond the hours forever lost turning into weeks you'll never get back) |
| 03:58 |
Adlai |
I'm not sure there's any parsing involved |
| 03:58 |
trinque |
so give me the enforcement of logical structure in lisp |
| 03:58 |
trinque |
that is what I want. |
| 03:58 |
Adlai |
this seems to be more "store the AST in a db rather than text" |
| 03:58 |
gabriel_laddel |
;; later tell EllieAsksWhy 'proxies' |
| 03:58 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 03:59 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: I understand what you're talking about. |
| 03:59 |
gabriel_laddel |
Adlai: he is/was storing lexing and grammer information. |
| 04:00 |
trinque |
tool for representing business rules, piles of data, and trying to make money, please. |
| 04:01 |
* |
Adlai always found "business logic" reminiscent of "military logic" in the necessity of distinguishing it from plain simple old "logic" |
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| 04:01 |
gabriel_laddel |
hehe |
| 04:01 |
trinque |
I think it's code for "not mine but his" |
| 04:03 |
Adlai |
or "who me, write my own code? nah" |
| 04:03 |
Adlai |
"fetch me your trainedest monkeys!" |
| 04:03 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'd like to clarify that what I'm finding appaling here is the huge amount of effort spent generating syntatically correct strings. |
| 04:03 |
trinque |
that's not the purpose of it at all. |
| 04:03 |
gabriel_laddel |
Sure, even in sexprs you have a 'grammer' you might want to check |
| 04:04 |
gabriel_laddel |
the purpose isn't what I'm horrified by |
| 04:04 |
trinque |
how in lips could you take the ast of a view against one table |
| 04:04 |
trinque |
consider the ast of an operation to change the table |
| 04:04 |
trinque |
and derive the view that will apply to the new table |
| 04:04 |
trinque |
even if you pivoted one into two |
| 04:04 |
trinque |
being able to reflect and consider things as sets, not the tree, is valuable |
| 04:05 |
trinque |
lips, lol |
| 04:05 |
gabriel_laddel |
I have to check that I know what these terms mean before I respond. one sec |
| 04:05 |
Adlai |
back in the old days, there was no asdf:load-system... everything consisted of passing magic dispatch tokens to asdf:operate |
| 04:06 |
Adlai |
people became lazy... everything changed once the bitrot nation attacked |
| 04:06 |
gabriel_laddel |
ha |
| 04:06 |
Adlai |
ultimately, rdbms magic does NOT fits in heads |
| 04:06 |
trinque |
it's not magic at all |
| 04:06 |
trinque |
it's set logic |
| 04:07 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: could you rephrase "take the ast of a view against one table" |
| 04:07 |
trinque |
which amounts to an iteration over one or more lists with an if statement |
| 04:07 |
Adlai |
you can't "cat fixup >> database.sql" |
| 04:07 |
trinque |
other such logic, producing a result |
| 04:07 |
gabriel_laddel |
btw, one can trivially deal with sexpr 'ASTs' as sets |
| 04:07 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel: asumming the AST is represented as a set of tables with foreign key relationships, each table representing a production rule in the grammar |
| 04:07 |
gabriel_laddel |
hahahahahahahhaa |
| 04:07 |
gabriel_laddel |
oh my fucking god |
| 04:08 |
trinque |
you have a childish way of speaking |
| 04:08 |
* |
gabriel_laddel is a child :/ |
| 04:08 |
trinque |
well grow the fuck up, and discuss ideas like a man. |
| 04:08 |
gabriel_laddel |
kk, I'm not going anywhere |
| 04:09 |
trinque |
if I discovered a way to do something lispy in a non-lisp environment, do you think this'd be the first time I've done this? |
| 04:10 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: done what exactly? |
| 04:10 |
trinque |
so like, why do you think we put ASTs in the database? |
| 04:10 |
trinque |
no reason? |
| 04:11 |
gabriel_laddel |
I've no idea why you did, but am assuming you've got some reason why |
| 04:11 |
trinque |
so then from what position do you proclaim lisp? |
| 04:11 |
gabriel_laddel |
because it is inescapable |
| 04:11 |
gabriel_laddel |
well, s-expressions are at least |
| 04:12 |
trinque |
I'm not seeing the incompatibility of the things |
| 04:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
"lisp", like "lispy" is an ill-defined idea. |
| 04:12 |
trinque |
list of lists |
| 04:12 |
trinque |
there you go, now fucking iterate over two of them and filter by respective conditional expressions |
| 04:12 |
trinque |
pop the result into one new list |
| 04:12 |
trinque |
now worry about schema at appropriate places and you've got relational algebra |
| 04:12 |
trinque |
doesn't need a fucking postgresql |
| 04:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
agreed |
| 04:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
everything is a "list of lists" or a "tree" when you get down to it (in the compiler - though yes, you can go directly stack machine). |
| 04:13 |
trinque |
certainly |
| 04:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
but sexprs are nice because they're easy to parse. |
| 04:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
anyone /can/ add meta-programming to whatever language they want. |
| 04:14 |
gabriel_laddel |
but you'll end up like paul phillips |
| 04:14 |
gabriel_laddel |
because parsing is a terribly boring (and totally unnecessary) task. |
| 04:14 |
gabriel_laddel |
btw, I'm still putting together a model of what exactly it is you've done so that I can discuss this with you using your vocabulary... |
| 04:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
"how in lips could you take the ast of a view against one table" << This ends up being just hacking at sexprs with the full language at your disposal. |
| 04:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
you might get a "relational algebra" |
| 04:18 |
trinque |
and if one of your hacks fucks up the logic of what it is to be a "whatever's in that list" ? |
| 04:19 |
trinque |
the idea is that your lisp code is always right, hence the data is right |
| 04:19 |
gabriel_laddel |
nope |
| 04:19 |
trinque |
whereas I assume everything's hell and hopefully the database will keep it all coherent |
| 04:20 |
trinque |
because a printer could fellate itself or linux could grow cancer and fill a disk |
| 04:20 |
trinque |
the database if told as much as is known about the data you want to represent, wont let you fuck it up |
| 04:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
I can do the same thing if I want. |
| 04:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
you just end up writing a predicate to see that the information you're manipulating is (every #'string ...) or whatever |
| 04:21 |
trinque |
which amounts to building a database in to your thing, yeah? |
| 04:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
Well, the lines get blurry. |
| 04:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
But yes. |
| 04:22 |
gabriel_laddel |
;; google symbolics Statice |
| 04:22 |
gribble |
Statice (Symbolics) - Symbolics Lisp Machine Museum: <http://smbx.org/statice-symbolics/>; Symbolics Assets Bought - Symbolics Lisp Machine Museum: <http://smbx.org/symbolics-assets-bought/>; Statice Flower Meaning & Symbolism | Statice Facts - Teleflora.com: <http://www.teleflora.com/about-flowers/statice.asp> |
| 04:24 |
gabriel_laddel |
So, in your model of computing you get to work with incomplete languages in the "data model" and when generating "views". While this does provide defaults, when hacking lisp you always have the full language at your disposal. |
| 04:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Quick question... There's no macguffin the plot can use to out BTC BTC is there... |
| 04:24 |
gabriel_laddel |
Also, you don't have to parse anything, or have "generator rules" or whatever, which cuts out a lot of the complexity that you get when doing something like what you've done. |
| 04:26 |
* |
BingoBoingo still wonders about the search for a singular #b-a distribution when x86 sucks as much as it does... |
| 04:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
it is on the way |
| 04:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
I just spent 2 days fucking with mozilla |
| 04:27 |
trinque |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 04:27 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: Making it production ready is going to take some time, but as is, it is better than any other distro I've used. |
| 04:27 |
BingoBoingo |
<trinque> if I represent a grammar in SQL tables you cannot fuck it up << You want to throw a stake down on that??? |
| 04:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
Having the same keybindings for the web browser + editor gets me all hot and bothered. |
| 04:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
If I could just get a working shared kill ring... |
| 04:28 |
* |
gabriel_laddel *shivers* |
| 04:28 |
trinque |
yeah, if you represent anything correctly in relational tables you wont have false statements *according to your system* |
| 04:28 |
trinque |
you could totally be wrong |
| 04:28 |
trinque |
just not incoherent |
| 04:29 |
trinque |
this assurance that the data means anything is why databases were created. |
| 04:30 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: Not dissing the project, just questioning the target. |
| 04:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: question away. |
| 04:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: diss away too. |
| 04:31 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: Dunno how useful I can be. Drunk on vodka trying to protect my vital fluids from triclopyr. Watched a Disney movie... |
| 04:32 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: The problem with taking any extant, deployabru RDBMS is that unsanitzed inputs could throw out rm -rf / |
| 04:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Hopefully the DB doesn't have the rights for it to run, but... |
| 04:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above. |
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| 04:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
Without a shared language the logs will end up in endless cycles of the above. |
| 04:34 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: What makes you sure we have a shared platform, or that individuals here choose platforms for themselves singularly? |
| 04:34 |
BingoBoingo |
I doubt severely shared languages are a thing |
| 04:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
perhaps that was phrased poorly. |
| 04:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
The preceding discussion was largely myself and trinque learning the others vocabulary. |
| 04:35 |
trinque |
I think the guy just means talking in person it is much easier to understand what's meant by the other. |
| 04:35 |
trinque |
yeah that |
| 04:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
I don't think "in person" has much to do with it. |
| 04:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
right now I can't draw you a 3D picture you can just open up, modify and send back to me |
| 04:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
why? |
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| 04:36 |
trinque |
well then that's something true of any attempt to communicate |
| 04:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
compiler, dependencies blah blah blah |
| 04:36 |
trinque |
sure, big bottleneck there still |
| 04:37 |
trinque |
it's going to piss you off when I say we were attaching widgets to the various tables of our ASTs |
| 04:37 |
trinque |
this is what you're talking about right? |
| 04:37 |
trinque |
you want to send me data directly in some more meaningful structure |
| 04:38 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: Baudot is the penultimate encoding |
| 04:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
"I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus, if the supplied |
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| 04:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
graphics routines are inadequate, I can fall back on an 'api' independent of man. Lessons, as a refinement of research, shall offer the same capabilities. Networking (e.g., sharing these programs or crafting interactions between them) shall be trivial. No single authority shall dictate what is an isn't appropriate to publish. This is not to be enforced by social machinery which promises to promote and cherish scient |
| 04:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
ific inquiry, but as a consequence of a comprehensible, expressive design that empowers the individual. " |
| 04:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ trinque |
| 04:38 |
BingoBoingo |
<trinque> sure, big bottleneck there still << Irony of ironies, bottleneck is the part of the bottle that broke such that poison exposure happened |
| 04:39 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: related - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6 |
| 04:39 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: Couldn't a Perl OS do that? Works for make baby? |
| 04:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: die |
| 04:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Or AppleBasic? |
| 04:40 |
BingoBoingo |
6502 emulates on nearly everything... |
| 04:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-00-a.html |
| 04:40 |
assbot |
DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcsgnS ) |
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| 04:41 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ many thanks to stas for pointing me to that via his blog |
| 04:41 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel: I'm headed towards bed; I'll read this tomorrow. |
| 04:44 |
trinque |
!rate gabriel_laddel 2 ...then I expect an operating system. |
| 04:44 |
assbot |
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| 04:44 |
* |
BingoBoingo just watched Disney produced "evil robot fiction" was surprised at the parts that weren't shitty |
| 04:44 |
trinque |
!v assbot:trinque.rate.gabriel_laddel.2:ebce74b8458b0e2934062e26da0b155a3b93e00ae745213213525f777b4d25c3 |
| 04:44 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 2 for gabriel_laddel with note: ...then I expect an operating system. |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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| 06:06 |
davout |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115283 <<< ugh. this whole story is such a pile of braindamage |
| 06:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 04:11:05; BingoBoingo: So who can speak frog an write an qntra piece? https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalis.net%2Fspip.php%3Fpage%3Dbreves-article%26id_article%3D4580&edit-text= |
| 06:07 |
davout |
basically the guy is being hung because the reverse-engineering wasn't made with the intent of creating something interoperable with skype, which is permitted under french law |
| 06:10 |
punkman |
davout, how did they figure that intent |
| 06:12 |
davout |
punkman: because he blogged about it and didn't keep it for himself, because of what he declared to the cops about making stuff to block skype, replicate its functionality without the backdoors |
| 06:13 |
davout |
;;calc 67067452/25000 |
| 06:13 |
gribble |
2682.69808 |
| 06:14 |
davout |
so apparently this neucoin thing sold for 2.7kBTC worth of their, ahem, "coin" |
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| 06:17 |
punkman |
I had to get some paperwork from the police station today. old lady there looks at my ID, which is old and handwritten, and says "hey, I made this ID back in the day" |
| 06:25 |
punkman |
also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight" |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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| 08:11 |
jurov |
http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/641244/5d1d6d20aeb0a647/ heh, python scripting/REPL for GRUB. |
| 08:11 |
assbot |
Python without an operating system [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcUdMc ) |
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assbot |
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| 08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
The core problem is that C programmers think they can get away with doing much less than the Common Lisp programmer causes the computer to do. But this is actually wrong. Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only |
| 08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments |
| 08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Since you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it |
| 08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
is over and you "lost". |
| 08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
the fucking quotes don't belong there. |
| 08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
what you _have_ in point of fact ACTUALLY LOST is the ability to live in a world where things actually work, |
| 08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
as opposed to "well it mostly works" "you just have to..." "hey it works on MY system" etc. |
| 08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and yesterday's discussion re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113989 is a magnificent example of the exact problem. |
| 08:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-04-2015 17:16:36; mircea_popescu: think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ? |
| 08:36 |
jurov |
that world did never exist |
| 08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
!up lolz |
| 08:39 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov so is your argument something like "oh look how cute, mp found a socialism HE CAN BELIEVE IN!!1" ? |
| 08:40 |
jurov |
it§s easiest to believe in the past that is now lost |
| 08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i was ftr not proposing this was a thing at any point in the past. |
| 08:41 |
jurov |
i don't get you then at all |
| 08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. |
| 08:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it is, if you wish, like if bitcoin were to take over and everyone depended on it in 2065, but then for some reason people started moving back to 0.5.3 codebase. |
| 08:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it might have been ok for 50 years ago, when the most damage that it could do was someone losing his retarded tripod poems |
| 08:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it has a decent chance at simply ending the world, now. |
| 08:43 |
jurov |
so you want to have progress, after all\ |
| 08:43 |
mircea_popescu |
hm... i think the ddos might still be on. that lolz dude left exactly 246 s after i voiced him. |
| 08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i just want shit that works. |
| 08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
IF i am going to allow these retarded kids out of their basements and into society, they HAVE TO spiff up their act. |
| 08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess this could be progress. it could also be normalization. whatever it is... |
| 08:45 |
jurov |
basically, it's like roads were replaced every few years (bevcause we can and it's cheap) so that cars would need constatnt upgrades and modifications |
| 08:45 |
jurov |
you come and ask for car that damn works in this situation |
| 08:45 |
jurov |
impossible. |
| 08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
but the "changes" just stopped. moore law is dead. |
| 08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i am at the forefront of people who noticed, and demand changes. |
| 08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, thought leadership. |
| 08:47 |
jurov |
moore is not the only game in town. network bandwidth is still going up. |
| 08:47 |
jurov |
if that hits the ceiling,too, maybe then. |
| 08:47 |
mircea_popescu |
bandwidth alone is not really that type of change tho. and it stopped going up also, esp in the us. |
| 08:47 |
mircea_popescu |
actually the forecasts are that 2020 bw will be less than 2015 was. |
| 08:48 |
mats |
ouch, TWTR falls 15% |
| 08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't it 19% ? |
| 08:49 |
mats |
might be 19% pre market |
| 08:49 |
mats |
o nvm it fell below 20% at some point |
| 08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 08:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4228 @ 0.00029619 = 1.2523 BTC [+] |
| 08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol i go to bed, gabriel_laddel comes online. avoiding unpleasant convos yo ? :D |
| 08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel: 1. A WoT host has been mentioned a few times in the logs - MP's new hosts << yeah i had sent teh guy an invite. all it takes is for him to actually show up etc. |
| 08:52 |
jurov |
i expect at least one round of redoing all the world if the derps succeed enforcing SSL everywhere |
| 08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
how would they succeed that ? i'm not doing it. |
| 08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
redefining "everywhere" != succeeding at ssl everywhere. |
| 08:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00028444 = 2.944 BTC [-] |
| 08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
currently for instance, cpanel forums require ssl, and so i'm not visiting them. i don't generally visit sites that don't have a http version. |
| 08:53 |
davout |
looks like this iOS wifi exploit's being used in the wild http://qz.com/393909/american-airlines-planes-are-grounded-because-their-pilots-ipads-have-crashed/ |
| 08:53 |
assbot |
An iPad glitch grounded several dozen American Airlines planes – Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAZhp9 ) |
| 08:54 |
mats |
lol |
| 08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but what do they need the ipads for ?! |
| 08:55 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: it's actually pretty useful to get rid of tons of paper |
| 08:55 |
mircea_popescu |
huh ? |
| 08:55 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc you can't even save a file on it. |
| 08:55 |
mircea_popescu |
unrelatedly : Upupa epops might be the best latin name ever. |
| 08:56 |
jurov |
or ipv6, you can ignore it, but it may mean you'll be unable to find working code that does not have the bits you hate |
| 08:56 |
punkman |
related, I watched a cab driver fashion a cooling system for his lenovo tablet/gps thing because it'd overheat and shut down |
| 08:57 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov that's ok, i'm unable to find working code anyway. |
| 08:57 |
punkman |
but airline pilots relying on ipad for flight plan? wtf |
| 08:58 |
mircea_popescu |
we're a species of idiots. |
| 08:58 |
punkman |
I dun wanna fly anymore |
| 09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJR1UFX2GVY << lmao check out amateur hour. |
| 09:00 |
assbot |
Dana International - Tel Aviv Pride Parade 2014 דנה אינטרנשיונל במצעד הגאווה - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DB0f4J ) |
| 09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hey Adlai do you get down on knee ? |
| 09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"i used to be a pop star but then i took a down to the knee" |
| 09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115372 << well, the prepared statements in a notepad / pasted later model is no good! |
| 09:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 07:28:06; gabriel_laddel: ll try harder next time. |
| 09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
I confidently crow to anyone who would listen, those foolish enough to enter my office. And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say. << see, i think i know the kind of contract he's talking/dreaming about. in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114812 |
| 09:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-04-2015 23:15:21; *: ben_vulpes rolls eyes |
| 09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"And, as everyone knows, the best way to get amazing results is to set arbitrary goals without any basis for believing they can be reached. So I set out to search faster than grep by thirty percent." << damned straight. it's exactly how i manage. especially those... contractually obligated, shall we say. |
| 09:07 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 09:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7739 @ 0.00028444 = 2.2013 BTC [-] |
| 09:14 |
chetty |
And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say./// that is so sad |
| 09:14 |
Adlai |
mircea_popescu: what? |
| 09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
ahhh that great rhoden blog. http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/YahooChatRooms.html |
| 09:14 |
assbot |
Yahoo! Chat - A Eulogy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JApwnR ) |
| 09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty hey, attention is scarce! |
| 09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai random link in log. |
| 09:16 |
* |
Adlai doesn't need to watch youtube, that shit goes down all around all year long |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
must suck to live in a rural area. |
| 09:16 |
Adlai |
bahaha "may the bits of your hard disk be sorted by value" |
| 09:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 09:18 |
mircea_popescu |
that yahoo thing tho... this is EXACTLY what yahoo was. even had to ban "shit" and "shithead" separately. |
| 09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
artifexd http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/go_bloviations.html << maybe somewhat interesting. |
| 09:19 |
assbot |
Go Bloviations (Optional Reading) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAq5Oz ) |
| 09:22 |
Adlai |
ah yes that terrible swear word, Tangobh |
| 09:24 |
mircea_popescu |
that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten. |
| 09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"Put another way, grep sells out its worst case (lots of partial matches) to make the best case (few partial matches) go faster. How treacherous! As this realization dawns on me, the room seemed to grow dim and slip sideways. I look up at the Ultimate Unix Geek, spinning slowly in his padded chair, and I hear his cackle "old age and treachery...", and in his flickering CRT there is a face reflected, but it's my ex girl |
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| 09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
friend, and the last thing I see before I black out is a patch of yellow cheese powder inside her long tangled beard." |
| 09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
epic. i didn't evne know anyone knew :D |
| 09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, not that any of the retards involved in such considerations have the skill or werewithal to get it, but : this is a fine example of privilege in computing. |
| 09:34 |
mircea_popescu |
how did "worst case" interest group get to lose 70% so that "best case" interest group can gain 6% ? clearly this was enforced by an opressive, chauvinistic patriarchy which, to bother an irigarayism, "favours the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us". |
| 09:35 |
mircea_popescu |
and the case of optimized grep is the first and the last word on the matter of "you can not have democratic computing anymore than democratic anything else in this world. it's either good or democratic, pick one." |
| 09:36 |
mircea_popescu |
fact remains that raping the poor raw so that the rich can have it slightly better is not only the traditional way to do things back when things were still being done, but actually ~the correct way~. |
| 09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and here comes the doozy : the correct way ~for everyone~! |
| 09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
grep is ~overall~ faster for this optimization, or in other words : the downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. step on their faces! |
| 09:39 |
* |
asciilifeform notices that mircea_popescu is approaching own level of 'software must die' |
| 09:40 |
mircea_popescu |
no, not software. if i wake up to find that slavegirl shat the bed, i'm not going "shit must die" |
| 09:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm going "you're on the cross young lady!" |
| 09:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and you dun wanna be on the cross. |
| 09:42 |
asciilifeform |
does this actually happen ? |
| 09:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the shitting ? |
| 09:42 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
| 09:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the excruciation however, yes. i think you even saw one of the crosses. |
| 09:42 |
asciilifeform |
yeah i couldn't help but wonder if some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent |
| 09:42 |
asciilifeform |
as for the whipping posts, those are sop |
| 09:42 |
mircea_popescu |
eh that's a myth. anal sex helps continence, doth not reduce it. |
| 09:45 |
davout |
asciilifeform: gross |
| 09:45 |
davout |
can't unthink |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
wut ? |
| 09:46 |
davout |
"some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent" |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
actually... some hobby of WIVES doth render them anally incontinent |
| 09:46 |
davout |
do elaborate |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
but it's brief and blessfully resolves in the hospital. |
| 09:46 |
davout |
ah |
| 09:46 |
davout |
ic |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
most kids are born with shit in their eyes. |
| 09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
davout is all "wtf this doesn't exist. oh THAT. myeah ok, it exists." |
| 09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently you CAN unthink ? :D |
| 09:49 |
davout |
heh, already heard about it, although thankfully that's not something i've witnessed |
| 09:49 |
asciilifeform |
iirc at one point it was fashionable to give the mothers enemas |
| 09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
welcome to beartraps & caltrops day on bitcoin-assets. i'll be your lovely host, with the mostly incontinent Sharon Cohen serving as my co-something or the other. |
| 09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
or at least, until hse takes a down to the knee. |
| 09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai btw, is ariel sharon totally a girl's name only to my ear ? or is it kinda lulzy in teh medinat too ? |
| 09:51 |
asciilifeform |
<mircea_popescu> the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. << lamport's article on brokenness+helplessness leading to return to 'voodoo' methods (electronic homeopathy, sympathetic magic, all the way to prayer healing) |
| 09:52 |
* |
mircea_popescu has witnessed prayer healing in student quarters. |
| 09:52 |
asciilifeform |
works (as other placebocin) on people much better than on machines. |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"omaigawd i have to finish this by tomorrow because i had three weeks to do it but i was busy until tonight!!111" |
| 09:53 |
Adlai |
more common as a girl's name, but it's found as both |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai but i mean... is it lulzy ? |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
or notrly observable |
| 09:53 |
Adlai |
i'd say it's lulzier that the guy just has two first names |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 09:53 |
Adlai |
never trust a man with no last name |
| 09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
this, btw, is a sign of being a gypsy in romania |
| 09:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00029134 = 2.4764 BTC [+] |
| 09:54 |
asciilifeform |
<Adlai> never trust a man with no last name << there's a fella in '80s theoretical comp sci, worked on parallel systems iirc, who was known as simply 'arvind' |
| 09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
(mostly through historical accident : gypsy women used as whores throughout middle ages, ended up with kids without actual parentage, got "soft" father's name as it were) |
| 09:55 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i thought modern gypsy has a euro-style plausible first+last for camouflage |
| 09:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i have nfi what modern gypsy even is. |
| 09:55 |
mircea_popescu |
like modern homosexual. |
| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
sovietized ? |
| 09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
mmm... no, colonized. invaded by the tumbler, twitter etc hordes. |
| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
(or prevented from migrating and living with pigs by some other demented ruler) |
| 09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, like computing. |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
not that computing wasn't invaded, but this is rather like the popular ru explanation for fall of ussr |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
'cia saboteurs' |
| 09:57 |
Adlai |
"Arvind Mithal (usually referred to as just Arvind)" well we solved that mystery |
| 09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
win. |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
Adlai is a winner |
| 09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i knew there was a reason i liked him |
| 09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's not saboteurs, it's kids looking for a special identity. |
| 09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"it's not a bullet, it's fumaric acid" |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
i'm fairly convinced that these were and are an opportunistic infection |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
computing collapsed under own weight. |
| 09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"can i please have the bullet then ?" "uhhh... but we don't make those anymore ? too expensive." |
| 09:59 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, imo it's septicemia not aids. |
| 10:00 |
HeySteve |
hola |
| 10:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hey |
| 10:00 |
HeySteve |
haven't been here for ages, how is everyone? |
| 10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nb. |
| 10:02 |
* |
Adlai is busy catching up to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-04-2015#1101202 |
| 10:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-04-2015 14:26:51; *: mats is busy working through "The Misbehavior of Markets" |
| 10:05 |
HeySteve |
mircea_popescu, do you have an opinion on Uruguay as a place to live? |
| 10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
not terribru |
| 10:10 |
Adlai |
"Taaki and his sister once broke into an old hotel, stole the bibles from every room, doused them with cleaning fluid, set them on fire, and threw them down a well to see how deep it went. For that, their father never punished them." |
| 10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mmmmmkay ? |
| 10:10 |
Adlai |
this is quite a bizarre level of mischief |
| 10:11 |
HeySteve |
the homeless hacker |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://three-way-dreamer.tumblr.com/post/96984757094/babygirlssweetsurrender-three-is-good |
| 10:12 |
assbot |
Beauty Of Sex ... ( http://bit.ly/1beha6h ) |
| 10:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00029068 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:24 |
HeySteve |
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html?_r=0 |
| 10:24 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1bejYjS ) |
| 10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 10:26 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/ |
| 10:26 |
assbot |
The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bekiPw ) |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla might be an idea if assbot ignores scoopbot_revived |
| 10:27 |
kakobrekla |
i thought they would be friends but ok |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel "why are the holes not marked or filled?" << ftr this is not what i was contemplating. what I was contemplating is, why the fuck don't defaults pop up. bring back the fucking paperclip, put it the ONE place where it makes fucking sense. "hey john, I see you changed FuckOff() from bool to int. This function is called 82 places in 22 files. Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and rep |
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| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ort what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?" |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do. |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon. |
| 10:31 |
Adlai |
aha, the good old C-c C-w C-c |
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| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai yeah, for that matter emacs does something very close to this, bar one fatal fucking flaw : pull. it should really be push. |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't need to fucking remember to ask it. i can walk away from the terminal if i need some space. |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i want it to complain to the dev about every.single.problem. EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM. and it must be as a fucking clickbox, in his face. |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
none of this "i'll fix the details later, i'm in the middle of doing sexy work now". fuck you and fuck your "ideas". |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
last time anyone "in computing" had an idea the year prefix was still 1. |
| 10:33 |
davout |
mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe make scoopbot_revived not mention the title and let assbot handle it? |
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| 10:34 |
* |
Adlai isn't sure there was a year prefix in those days |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
just dump teh link ? |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, let it be decentralized. |
| 10:34 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: sounds like each would do a small and simple job unix philosophy |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
this trivial problem just blew my stack. |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i confess i have nfi which is the correct approach. |
| 10:35 |
davout |
sounds better to remove code from scoopbot rather than add some conditional logic to assbot |
| 10:35 |
* |
mircea_popescu steps away slowly and in terror, letting the parties involved decide. |
| 10:35 |
kakobrekla |
the thing is that fucking conditional code is already in place as well |
| 10:36 |
kakobrekla |
for some other bots |
| 10:36 |
davout |
just my two cents |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i would definitely read the essay discussing the merits of either side. i just realised i actually don't grok this shit. |
| 10:37 |
Adlai |
seems parsimonious that in a channel where a bot announces link titles, there's no need to supply them yourself |
| 10:37 |
davout |
because then what happens when scoopbot_revived is replaced by scoopbot_x or whatever |
| 10:37 |
kakobrekla |
davout you mean again |
| 10:37 |
kakobrekla |
:) |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what happens if assbot dies ? we must lose scoopbot titling too ? |
| 10:37 |
davout |
assbot never diez |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
decentralisation contrary to parsimony |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
fancy that. |
| 10:38 |
davout |
i'm really too lazy to argue further, i just tend to remove code instead of adding more whenever i can get what i want either of those ways |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
no, i can definitely see your point. |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
what bothers me is that i see no way to either dismiss it, or pick it. |
| 10:39 |
davout |
my point? |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"take it out of scoopbot instead" |
| 10:40 |
davout |
I KNOW! LET'S REWRITE SCOOPBOT IN COMMON LISP! |
| 10:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00029619 = 3.2877 BTC [+] |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel "Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? " << this i can readily answer. because I am what's called "a creator of language", which is to say one of those people who, through his usage, ENACTS the rules all amateur users of language MUST follow, as a mark of their linguistic inferiority. like fucking shakespeare. |
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| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and consequently the notion of "spellchecker" is undefined for me. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
(and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time) |
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| 10:42 |
davout |
;;calc 70138217/25000 |
| 10:42 |
gribble |
2805.52868 |
| 10:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10234 @ 0.00029627 = 3.032 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115386 << dawg, go make a web server i can use, who's keeping you!!11 |
| 10:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 07:30:19; gabriel_laddel: Just trying to point MP at something |
| 10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115395 << fancy that! and i spent eight hours massaging apache and varnish into wortking together, only to discover that about 10% of the time, IP fields were reliably replaced with random data form the session. |
| 10:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 07:33:47; gabriel_laddel: I'll note that I wrote a prototype for the RPC described above - ran into an issue with TCP or the library I was using it from. Messages were disappearing in flight. |
| 10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
we're like brothers off the same mother over here. and check out how variant the fathers! |
| 10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose we should go beat her up, stupid fucking whore. |
| 10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115401 < bwahahaha |
| 10:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 07:35:59; gabriel_laddel: Portage has a USE flag (what is that? Idk, some nonsense abstraction) for docs so you can tell it to build all docs, but it gets caught in cyclic dependencies atm. |
| 10:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00029677 = 3.6799 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
<mircea_popescu> the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do ... the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon << obligatory http://ww |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
w.loper-os.org/?p=284 |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115422 << this, i will point out, is in no way related to any inherent property of either (unless you mean lisp is inherently going to fail), but simply a function of context. had the linux kernel been implemented in sclb, and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines |
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| 11:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 07:42:58; gabriel_laddel: ~398k LoC vs. >14 million |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
in scbl, and c would be what c was in the 70s. ie, coupla hundred k's. |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
<mircea_popescu> it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand. << you can edit the dict you know |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
except my usage is np |
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| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
there isn't a way to write a program that can import a dict and fix my grammar. |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
grammar no |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
and if I write the dict, there isn't a way to write a program that can import it at all. |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
orthograph yes |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
trilema is filled with examples : i spell this the french way this time for stylistic reasons. what now ? |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you do if i say differance once ? |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
limited use case for orthograph checker - pick up turds that are solely from finger slippage |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
this spellchecker underlines it. nevertheless... différance |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
but that does not actually do the job does it. |
| 11:04 |
* |
asciilifeform confesses to being largely innocent of auto language checking paraphernalia |
| 11:04 |
* |
asciilifeform uses own meat |
| 11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
metoo. but i also know why. |
| 11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
deliberately innocent. |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
well yes deliberately |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
<mircea_popescu> ... and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines << the whole 'k00l d00dz' phenomenon begins from broken systems, though there is a feedback loop |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
when there is -nothing- for an idiot kid to do - the damage isn't done. |
| 11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it does not. it drives broken systems, as naggum explains : http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_6_53927 |
| 11:06 |
assbot |
What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ink4TS ) |
| 11:06 |
asciilifeform |
but when there is plethora of loose ends and misfeatures - plenty |
| 11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the incentives are badly alligned, and the habit of beating children (a subcase of, oppressing the oppressed FOR THE REASON that they're already oppressed) went out |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
but THIS is what the utility of that ancient "horror' and "unexplainable ancient cruelty" was : it kept this very significant problem of badly alligned incentives in check. |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
as pictured in, e.g., mircea_popescu's article 'art of punishment' (ro?) |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i think i translated it. |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case : the mechanism im contemplating is this |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
a) idiot interacts with system ; b) idiot forms malformed internal representation of system ; c) sane person has no incentive to fix b) ; d) system evolves ~always~ to match its representations. |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this is unresolvable, except if one actually and deliberately enacts the positive feedback loop of "torture those in pain, beat those with welts on their body" etc. |
| 11:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity |
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| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ayup. |
| 11:11 |
asciilifeform |
*opening wound |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
if this mechanism is correct, then it follows that yes, the only reason gabriel_laddel thinks much of scbl is that no one else does. |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
much like how this place is readable PRECISELY because it's not facebook or w/e. |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
which has been an early theoretical proposition which we've so far been verifying. |
| 11:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6303 @ 0.00029781 = 1.8771 BTC [+] |
| 11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, it is perfectly wrong to imagine scbl has the magical quality of magical quality (and then move on once the horde shows it trivially breaks). for one thing, c was a very intellectually respectable thing, back when i was a kid. |
| 11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
of course, that was before C# |
| 11:20 |
jurov |
yea, it was respectable when compiler was less clever than programmer |
| 11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if that's what it was. |
| 11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.01 << what sort of great moment is this! |
| 11:24 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> [13:23] that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten. << i dun get it |
| 11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
tango ? yahoo chat ? 80s ? |
| 11:25 |
ben_vulpes |
nope still not computing |
| 11:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: great moment shall come on me lunch break. |
| 11:26 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the string "tango" was for ununderstood reasons banned on a very popular (among the females) chat application of the 80s, at a time you'rew supposed to have been in kindergarten. |
| 11:26 |
* |
asciilifeform promises to wake up mircea_popescu for great moment(tm) |
| 11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
it is humorously posited that this is the very explanation : they were trying to crimp your style specifically. |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"you're supposed to have been", jesus who the fuck came up with english grammar. "o i know, we'll save on predicative modes!!1" |
| 11:27 |
ben_vulpes |
finding tango partners online is like 1/1000000th as good a use of time as finding bdsm partners |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
everything worked better on yahoo chat |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, even md5! |
| 11:31 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> [00:54] how the everliving fuck is cpanel used with anything other than php/static wwwtron << fwiw asciilifeform i went through a very similar saga on a very similar popescuian box. i just thought that "this was how things were supposed to be" and labored in silence. |
| 11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
didja get anywhere ? |
| 11:31 |
ben_vulpes |
probably how you derp around the machine shop |
| 11:31 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah, the thing ran, and well if you recall. |
| 11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. well that puts you ahead of alf :D |
| 11:32 |
mircea_popescu |
at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before. |
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| 11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115501 << this distinction only exists as a manifestation of the speaker's cluelessness, otherwise military logic is perfectly logical. |
| 11:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 08:01:08; *: Adlai always found "business logic" reminiscent of "military logic" in the necessity of distinguishing it from plain simple old "logic" |
| 11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
in the c way of logic. |
| 11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, "you go design a better army and a better war over there with your wooden horse, toy sword and military costume, while we're gonna beat these assholes over here" |
| 11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
paulgraham.com fucking autoreloads itself wtf spammy idiocy is this. |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"Confirmation can be tricky depending on what you mean by it. Its trivially true but most people understand it to be interrupting confirmation. Which is egregiously
reprehensible. Despicable even." |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha. |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck you and click the boxen, "creative" boi |
| 11:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00029923 = 2.2442 BTC [+] |
| 11:47 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: s/différance/différence/ |
| 11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
| 11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that being, amusingly enough, exactly the point. |
| 11:49 |
davout |
ah that was on purpose frenchified english |
| 11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. it works in french too. |
| 11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason "différance" exists is (in the context of our discussion) exactly to show that the spellchecker problem is np |
| 11:50 |
davout |
from what I find it's a neologism from jacques derrida |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a production of derrida working on husserl, yes. |
| 11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
(this may be a polichinelle's secret for which everyone here just happens to be polichinelle, but : the history of discussion, problems and criticism of languages as approached by IT types almost exactly mirrors a very similar effort in teh humanities) |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
that either side is generally ignorant of the equivalencies is nothing short of hysterical, but hey. "specialisation drives performance", i'm told. |
| 12:08 |
mats |
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html << lol |
| 12:08 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1dsYrWg ) |
| 12:08 |
mats |
special appearance by brendafdez |
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| 12:19 |
BingoBoingo |
"The hardest part was often reaching Fernández and Castiglione. I had to call Brenda four times today, she said with a smile." << lol |
| 12:24 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss? |
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| 12:24 |
mod6 |
!up asciilifeform |
| 12:24 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
| 12:24 |
ascii_field |
danke mod6 |
| 12:24 |
mod6 |
np |
| 12:26 |
jurov |
mod6 i can explain, too. to support different configurations for DNS/users/whatever resolving without glibc recompilation and without interprocess communication |
| 12:27 |
jurov |
the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc |
| 12:27 |
jurov |
and whole mechanism is non-optional |
| 12:27 |
mod6 |
ok maybe that's the part I was missing - how libnss is somehow tied to glibc. |
| 12:27 |
jurov |
thus truly statical compilation of glibc is impossbile |
| 12:28 |
mod6 |
so libnss is dynamically compiled and built/linked to glibc, and can not be avoided? |
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| 12:28 |
ascii_field |
!s libnss |
| 12:28 |
assbot |
7 results for 'libnss' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=libnss |
| 12:28 |
jurov |
(and btw, it's different from mozilla's libnss) |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
~whether one even uses libnss or not~! |
| 12:28 |
ascii_field |
or is log still b0rk3d |
| 12:28 |
ascii_field |
and no, nothing to do with the mozilla one |
| 12:28 |
mod6 |
it's not broke from the web-perspective. i've just read so much stuff that I've confused myself. |
| 12:28 |
jurov |
iirc alf avoided it somehow, while throwing out all DNS stuff, too |
| 12:29 |
mod6 |
is that releated to his patch that removes the dns stuff? |
| 12:29 |
ascii_field |
jurov: the dependency vanishes if you remove -all- instances of host lookup |
| 12:29 |
ascii_field |
the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there ) |
| 12:30 |
mod6 |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html << this? |
| 12:30 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1dt5z5c ) |
| 12:30 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 12:30 |
ascii_field |
note, written prior to the discovery of the libnss thing |
| 12:30 |
mod6 |
ok, so that helps us going forward then. |
| 12:31 |
mod6 |
yup, noted. |
| 12:31 |
mod6 |
we were on track at that point to try to cut a milestone. but just about that time is when we hit the tx validation problem in 168`000 ; I think your patch just got lost in the shuffle. |
| 12:32 |
mod6 |
:/ |
| 12:32 |
mod6 |
Anyway, going forward, we've got something to work around this issue. So, thanks for that. |
| 12:33 |
mod6 |
<+ascii_field> the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there ) << ah, i recall. ok and this is what initiated the conversation about SHA256 addy's as opposd to dotted quads right? |
| 12:37 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> ~whether one even uses libnss or not~! << so even if we didn't even call "whatsMyIP()" or w/e it is, this would still be a dingleberry attached to glibc. |
| 12:37 |
mod6 |
? |
| 12:38 |
mod6 |
Anyway, thanks guise. I think that helps me clear a few things up. |
| 12:38 |
ascii_field |
mod6: go build 'helloworld' and see if it stays depended |
| 12:38 |
ascii_field |
(it doesn't) |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 what i mean is, for as long as you use any sort of function touched, whether you yourself use any of the libnss "functionality" or not, its gonna be there |
| 12:40 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu has it |
| 12:40 |
mod6 |
ok got it. |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you can't go "oh i don't use libnss anyway". you probably are. |
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| 12:53 |
mod6 |
<+jurov> the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc << so there is no possible way to just build glibc by hand and not include libnss? or there are basically so many things that use libnss that even if you did, stuff wouldn't work anyway? |
| 12:53 |
jurov |
i haven't explored it to that depth |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 building glibcc "by hand" is not the trivial taks you make it out. |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
piles of crud in there. |
| 12:54 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-vii/ |
| 12:54 |
assbot |
The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtdHCF ) |
| 12:54 |
mod6 |
im sure it's not. just was sort of thinking about it in some context of "roll your own environment" |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah but then you end up with something that works for you |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and then... x person says this doesn't work. what now ? |
| 12:55 |
mod6 |
and only on your machine. |
| 12:55 |
mod6 |
ok right. |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean i am all for a cannonical b-a stack |
| 12:56 |
mod6 |
since this discussion, im gonna go back and re-read these logs. |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
but it can't be started from the glibc i don't think. that's the middle. |
| 12:57 |
mod6 |
sure. |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115595 << is your complaint the lack of koolaid in this place ?! |
| 12:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 08:33:16; gabriel_laddel: I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above. |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a balance to be had between "shared context" and "mass hysteria". a meeting of autonomous minds is one of the very best ways to achieve that balance. |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
barbaric, perhaps, but kingly for sure, this irc. |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so love thy cycles, for they are a supreme good. |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115605 << because you don't have a blog. get a blog. |
| 13:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 08:36:13; gabriel_laddel: why? |
| 13:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28411 @ 0.00029941 = 8.5065 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:02 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
| 13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/30197ce3b8a2aa706dd3913040a1c838/tumblr_n9lah9zqCj1sfkfqio1_1280.jpg << the best thing in unix is the pipe. |
| 13:02 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AgNImX ) |
| 13:03 |
ascii_field |
l0l! |
| 13:04 |
mod6 |
haha, is that a reverse-stocks of somesort? |
| 13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
well... plenty of subjects are actually rather cooperative, which makes the instruments more... ergonomic. |
| 13:05 |
mod6 |
ah, i see. |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115613 << dude srsly. GET A BLOG ALREADY. |
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| 13:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 08:38:32; gabriel_laddel: "I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus, |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
this is EXACTLY what a blog is. |
| 13:06 |
trinque |
I was drunk enough to deal with him at the time :D |
| 13:06 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: yes html does sort of what he's talking about |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
not "html". blogs specifically. |
| 13:06 |
trinque |
ah |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i have the fucking body of research all published, which is why i can always link |
| 13:07 |
trinque |
indeed |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
he's sitting over there going "hmm.... i would need something like a tube... but with fins on it... yeah that's right, two large fins..." |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
derp. ITS CALLED A PLANE! |
| 13:07 |
trinque |
this is the guy working on a distro? |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
why not ? |
| 13:07 |
trinque |
"tits or gtfo" as far as that goes |
| 13:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00029732 = 2.7353 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously what's blinding him to this is the expectations that machines could process it. this trivially can never be the case. |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
"Attend our Remote coding school for as little as $2,780." omfg wtf. |
| 13:10 |
mats |
http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/products/int/fix/government-bonds/Euro-Bund-Futures/14770 |
| 13:10 |
assbot |
Eurex - Euro-Bund Futures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgQl8g ) |
| 13:10 |
mats |
euro debt having a bad day |
| 13:11 |
mats |
http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/products/int/fix/government-bonds/Euro-Bobl-Futures/15644 |
| 13:11 |
assbot |
Eurex - Euro-Bobl Futures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgQvfG ) |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
"The studious will note that this is a completely solved problem that no machine learning algorithm will be able to approximate anytime soon." i'm sorry...what ? solved how ? |
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| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
and why the fuck am i referencing pastebins. |
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| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
mats yeh eurozone is benefiting from "russian sanctions" |
| 13:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.0016007 = 1.6007 BTC [-] |
| 13:15 |
mats |
got ma popcorn ready |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
" When the "people" of earth finally get the message that brainpower is the limiting regent in life they'll soon start to change their tune - or find themselves living in a ~leper colony/africa." << this is not how things work |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"when water stops being wet it'll suddenly seek dryness". sure. wut ? |
| 13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115624 << prolly should go with frank the ditch |
| 13:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 08:40:59; assbot: DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcsgnS ) |
| 13:22 |
vhost- |
Adlai: haha |
| 13:28 |
* |
mircea_popescu 's dislike of Douglas Adams slowly solidifies. |
| 13:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0002962 = 1.7772 BTC [-] |
| 13:34 |
williamdunne |
;;later tell kakobrekla would it be possible for w.b-a.link/some/parameters to return valid JSON? |
| 13:34 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115645 << lmao |
| 13:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 10:25:18; punkman: also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight" |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
# history | grep -c "reboot" |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
6 |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
check out the windows developer over here. |
| 13:40 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 13:40 |
ascii_field |
motherfucking rc.local doesn't run on boot in this ver of rathead |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
must be the cpanel. |
| 13:41 |
ascii_field |
lsdpanel |
| 13:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3629 @ 0.00029631 = 1.0753 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00169179 = 1.6918 BTC [+] {9} |
| 13:48 |
ascii_field |
http://hackingdude.com/2015/04/29/wordpress-zero-day-vulnerability/ |
| 13:48 |
assbot |
WordPress Zero Day Vulnerability - Hacking Dude Hacking Dude ... ( http://bit.ly/1P76N1H ) |
| 13:49 |
jurov |
williamdunne: you mean w.b-a.link/trust/some/else/json? yes that could return {} instead of "no data" |
| 13:49 |
williamdunne |
jurov: Yeah that'd work perfectly |
| 13:50 |
williamdunne |
Basically some way to get json on the trust between two people |
| 13:50 |
trinque |
ascii_field: ouch |
| 13:59 |
jurov |
williamdunne: but in cases where ther is data, it works |
| 13:59 |
williamdunne |
Oh wow |
| 14:00 |
williamdunne |
Missed that one |
| 14:00 |
williamdunne |
!up scooptest |
| 14:02 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! Scoop Test URL: http://thethug.life/scoop-test/ |
| 14:02 |
assbot |
Scoop Test — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtBkLw ) |
| 14:04 |
williamdunne |
!up scooptest |
| 14:06 |
danielpbarron |
!up mhagelstrom |
| 14:06 |
scooptest |
The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ |
| 14:06 |
scooptest |
The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"The vulnerability affects the WordPress versions 3.9.3, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, and the latest WordPress version 4.2." |
| 14:06 |
scooptest |
The sad story of me sniffing varnish http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
2.x immune. |
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| 14:06 |
scooptest |
Chtulhu emerges! http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ |
| 14:06 |
williamdunne |
Welp, thats not ideal |
| 14:06 |
scooptest |
What amused me today http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"Moreover, Pynnonen reported the vulnerability to the WordPress team but they refused all communication attempts he made since November 2014." heh |
| 14:07 |
cazalla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfxl0-sgJE0 |
| 14:07 |
assbot |
Fox 10 And Friends - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtCCWD ) |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"no ddos possible |
| 14:09 |
ascii_field |
l0l guess who else isn't affected. |
| 14:09 |
ascii_field |
(for same reason as mircea_popescu) |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
mmmyeah. |
| 14:09 |
mhagelstrom |
I guess I can talk now |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
see, the exact thing happening in bitcoin, where the power rangers fell off the curve, happened long ago to wordpress. |
| 14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
the notion that their "latest" is used or relevant is teh lulz. |
| 14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mhagelstrom and who might you be ? |
| 14:11 |
jurov |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:11 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/ |
| 14:11 |
assbot |
Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtDSJk ) |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mhagelstrom PGP: 548A 84F8 60CF E0AB EA11 A2BA 4D34 0126 F402 0636 ? |
| 14:14 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: s/heals/heels/ |
| 14:14 |
mhagelstrom |
mircea_popescu yes that is me |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, go register it with assbot |
| 14:14 |
BingoBoingo |
dammit, fxd |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!h |
| 14:14 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 14:15 |
mhagelstrom |
mircea_popescu that is my public key |
| 14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
in the strange news line, http://www.perfil.com/sociedad/El-misterio-de-una-chica-que-estuvo-16-horas-desaparecida-20141107-0053.html |
| 14:20 |
assbot |
El misterio de una chica que estuvo 16 horas desaparecida ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtGI0W ) |
| 14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field load average: 0.40, 0.54, 0.30 what speed is that ? |
| 14:26 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu has nothing better to do ? |
| 14:26 |
ascii_field |
srsly |
| 14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
shuddup i'm sysadmining :D |
| 14:28 |
* |
mircea_popescu is really curious what gcd over rsa keys actually looks like in terms of resource consumption. |
| 14:28 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu is also invited to read the src |
| 14:28 |
ascii_field |
which happens to be sitting there |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently i just got rebooted outta da box! |
| 14:29 |
* |
ascii_field presently trying to discover why the fucker runs from anywhere -other- than crontab |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, off to eat, will flyplow with this more later. |
| 14:29 |
ascii_field |
and 'internal server error' otherwise |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
uh |
| 14:30 |
* |
ascii_field thinks he discovered reason |
| 14:30 |
ascii_field |
when phuctor coldboots it regens the product over the moduli |
| 14:31 |
ascii_field |
(which is kept in ram at all times) |
| 14:31 |
ascii_field |
this locks db |
| 14:31 |
ascii_field |
or hm, apparently not |
| 14:32 |
* |
ascii_field discovers that he was not this retarded when having written the thing |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
you know ~why~ it's kinda exciting to watch this, right ? |
| 14:33 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
| 14:34 |
ascii_field |
found idiocy, will describe later if anyone gives a shit |
| 14:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00030068 = 1.3681 BTC [+] |
| 14:36 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! X.EUR July 23rd 2014 statement URL: http://fr.anco.is/2014/x-eur-july-23rd-2014-statement/ |
| 14:36 |
davout |
scoopbot_revived: totally news yo |
| 14:37 |
mod6 |
heheh |
| 14:37 |
* |
davout doesn't quite get why ascii_field is so deep in cpanhell |
| 14:37 |
mod6 |
did they hassle you about the meat? |
| 14:37 |
ascii_field |
davout: was |
| 14:37 |
davout |
mod6: nope, should have brought moar back |
| 14:37 |
mod6 |
nice |
| 14:37 |
davout |
ascii_field: so you're done or you switched to something else? |
| 14:40 |
ascii_field |
davout: mircea_popescu had the box decrufted |
| 14:41 |
ascii_field |
davout: just now i took a moment to set up on that box, and ran into a few boojums |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:42 |
jurov |
not so long ago, i have found alf a box, he declined. now he has to take whetever there is. |
| 14:42 |
ascii_field |
jurov wanted me to pay money, l0l |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg its a great box what! |
| 14:42 |
jurov |
s.nsa is not your money |
| 14:42 |
ascii_field |
jurov: i don't deal in monotonic guaranteed trips to penury |
| 14:44 |
mats |
lol |
| 14:44 |
mats |
such drama |
| 14:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7409 @ 0.00030068 = 2.2277 BTC [-] |
| 14:44 |
ascii_field |
anyway it works... |
| 14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
no ?! |
| 14:44 |
jurov |
i invested 100BTC into s.nsa.. to see penury mentioned in relation to ordinary business expenses? |
| 14:45 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i haven't moved the domain yet |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov he really doesnt wanna spend moneyz. |
| 14:45 |
jurov |
i'm at loss of words. |
| 14:45 |
ascii_field |
jurov: i'll refresh memory for ancient thread. mircea_popescu has it - i refuse to add recurring expenses when there is no revenue. |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i meant just the churning, is it going ? |
| 14:45 |
ascii_field |
this is what 'monotonic trip to the basement' means |
| 14:45 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: it will churn if you submit a new key or req retest of an existing key |
| 14:45 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! Scoop Testr URL: http://thethug.life/retrial/ |
| 14:45 |
assbot |
Scoop Testr — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtNC6t ) |
| 14:46 |
ascii_field |
as specced |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i can see it, can't go out of business by not spending. |
| 14:46 |
jurov |
so shut up and eat cpanel |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it;s just a plain centos dood. |
| 14:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8697 @ 0.00029613 = 2.5754 BTC [-] |
| 14:46 |
ascii_field |
jurov: l0l that was last night's thing. today we have normal box. which i just finished setting up. |
| 14:46 |
ascii_field |
correctly. |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll go through the correct centos and poke fun at engineer later. |
| 14:47 |
ascii_field |
anyway it works. time to move the dns |
| 14:49 |
jurov |
williamdunne: scoopbot_revived is not cloaked |
| 14:49 |
williamdunne |
jurov: Never has been |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
williamdunne yo ugettingflooded ? |
| 14:50 |
williamdunne |
Nope, not yet anyway |
| 14:51 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: dns switched over, will propagate eventually |
| 14:51 |
ascii_field |
happy phuctoring, fellas. |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so mebbe i dun understand something, but wasn't it going to process the however many gb archive ? |
| 14:52 |
jurov |
what was the url? |
| 14:52 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: when i pump it in! |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
o you plan todo over http ? |
| 14:52 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: yes, as a kind of torture test. anyone should be able to do this |
| 14:52 |
ascii_field |
without talking to me |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ok |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagined it's just gonna get done locally for expediency. but hey, tests are great. |
| 14:53 |
ascii_field |
i'm about to switch off the old one |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, THATs why i kept asking. |
| 14:53 |
ascii_field |
aaaaahahahaha |
| 14:53 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
well... that and ... other reasons. |
| 14:54 |
ascii_field |
woah 535 day uptime. |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov http://nosuchlabs.com/ |
| 14:54 |
assbot |
Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwS1g5 ) |
| 14:54 |
ascii_field |
except not propagated yet |
| 14:55 |
jurov |
i see archive.today (195.211.154.159), that's the old one? |
| 14:55 |
ascii_field |
new |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
nosuchlabs.com.1800INA195.211.154.159 |
| 14:55 |
gribble |
Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command. |
| 14:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00029616 = 1.9772 BTC [+] |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
welcome to the year not being 2005 anymore, ya know ? |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
dns propagation's a minute nowadays. |
| 14:56 |
ascii_field |
l0l wut |
| 14:56 |
* |
ascii_field prepares voodoo curse for 'namecheap' |
| 14:56 |
jurov |
heh |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah srsly someone should make a decent registrar |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
o wait, we're obsoleting dns huh. nm. |
| 14:57 |
mod6 |
:] |
| 14:57 |
ascii_field |
'decent registrar' is like 'decent gasenwagen' |
| 14:57 |
ascii_field |
existing ones are 'decent' from perspective of usg et al. |
| 14:58 |
jurov |
just compile namecoin into libnss.so :DDDD |
| 14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
is .fuck taken anyway ? or .cunt ? |
| 14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://beer.cunt |
| 14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
Submissions: 3930 Known Moduli: 6642 |
| |
↖ |
| 15:00 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: propagated on your end? |
| 15:00 |
ascii_field |
over here - no |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field Click here (big!) << could be replaced with Click here (28588 digits) ? |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field yes, its what i said above. and you're probably just caching locally. |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
dump the cache it'll respond correctly. |
| 15:02 |
jurov |
http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt would deserve some spiffy visualization...any mathematician with idea? |
| 15:02 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1dtQTmm ) |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ya srsly. |
| 15:05 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: if you're reading the thing, you will notice there are two processes (one which actually does the work, 'werker'.) |
| 15:11 |
ascii_field |
finally propagated here |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15175 @ 0.00029562 = 4.486 BTC [-] {3} |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well im sitting on top, so. |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
all ready over here :D |
| 15:15 |
ascii_field |
aha worx |
| 15:16 |
ascii_field |
next when i get a moment i'ma cook up a proper jinxed keypair |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
nono |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
just dump the db in plox |
| 15:16 |
ascii_field |
because the 'under construction' thing is disgraceful |
| 15:16 |
ascii_field |
and naturally will dump db in |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i wanna see if this'll actually work practically or not for the purpose. |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Error: Was that really a GPG public key? Try again. |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ahem |
| 15:24 |
ascii_field |
lol wut |
| 15:24 |
ascii_field |
who? |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field doesn't seem to work |
| 15:24 |
ascii_field |
dpaste plz |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x454B0FC0BC07B87E for instance. |
| 15:24 |
assbot |
Public Key Server -- Get "0x454b0fc0bc07b87e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwWTSj ) |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
nor http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x59C93F63549036BD |
| 15:24 |
assbot |
Public Key Server -- Get "0x59c93f63549036bd " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwWXkX ) |
| 15:25 |
ascii_field |
wtf |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
must be teh cpanel |
| 15:25 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 15:25 |
cazalla |
anyone know what's going on here - http://dpaste.com/3D4ZXZR.txt |
| 15:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GwXbZu ) |
| 15:26 |
trinque |
bad disk? |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla bad index |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
looks like typical bitcoind that was shut down suddenly |
| 15:27 |
cazalla |
been running fine for a while but now, same problems i had a few months back :\ |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2785 << sometimes it fixes itself :D |
| |
↖ |
| 15:27 |
assbot |
ChainState DB uncorrupted itself · Issue #2785 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwXrHN ) |
| 15:28 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: some serious strange. those keys work on my local box's phuctor, identical sourceball |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field prolly http posting fuckx them up |
| 15:29 |
ascii_field |
nono |
| 15:29 |
ascii_field |
likewise http |
| 15:29 |
ascii_field |
running copy of the thing locally |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
differnet http stacks eh. you running centos locally ? |
| 15:30 |
ascii_field |
course not |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
what, you expect things to just work ? |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the internet's not a truck, where yo ucan just dump stuff you know! |
| 15:31 |
* |
ascii_field begins to drool, like the flea-bitten characters in film 'city of lost children' |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Series_of_Tubes_-_Senator_Ted_Stevens.ogg |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
File:Series of Tubes - Senator Ted Stevens.ogg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwY5oI ) |
| 15:34 |
BingoBoingo |
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WA-gckbI--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/enneopevmant8ohbidxa.gif |
| 15:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GwYlEa ) |
| 15:35 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: it doesn't eat any key, lol |
| 15:35 |
ascii_field |
motherfuckers. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
yep won't even see mine |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
tho it's in db |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo what is that ? |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field maybe if i install varnish ? |
| 15:36 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: He's flipping the ball into the stands for the fans... Who aren't there because Baltimore, playing the game with an empty stadium because riots |
| 15:36 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: l0l! |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo so this is by now completely insane. |
| 15:38 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: It truly is. Guy's probably just flipping the ball into the stands out of habit, but seriously in the middle of the day they can't have spectators because... riots? |
| 15:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Not actual riots, but just the fear of riots |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/fetlife-bdsm-meat-list-consent/ << how to write about mp without linking trilema. |
| 15:38 |
assbot |
The BDSM version of Facebook is under attack for ignoring women's safety concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERUR4h ) |
| 15:38 |
ascii_field |
'zero length field name in format' |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate Alana Massey -10 stupid whore. |
| 15:38 |
assbot |
Alana is not registered in WoT. |
| 15:39 |
ascii_field |
pythonism |
| 15:39 |
ascii_field |
incompatibility b/w 2.7 and 2.6 |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
| 15:44 |
scoopbot_revived |
News! Life isn't Gaussian. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/29/life-isnt-gaussian/ |
| 15:44 |
assbot |
Life isn’t Gaussian. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwZY4K ) |
| 15:45 |
lobbes |
!up_ascii_field |
| 15:45 |
lobbes |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
in transgender = confused kids without supervision news, http://boards.420chan.org/cd/1.php |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
Transgender Discussion - 420chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERXEdH ) |
| 15:52 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu et al: fixed. |
| 15:53 |
ascii_field |
ty mircea_popescu, for a very palpably faster box. |
| 15:53 |
ascii_field |
it is very spiffy. |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
shit this guy's fast |
| 15:54 |
ascii_field |
considering that previously, this thing wasn't even on a computer in the usual sense - this is a major step forward. |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
015-04-29 15:54 (Queued, 2 Moduli Remaining - Refresh page to update.) |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
listen, seeing how it's using about 10% of what it could... throtle it ? |
| 15:55 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: if you read 'werker' - there is a polling knob |
| 15:55 |
ascii_field |
set, at present time, to 5s |
| 15:57 |
ascii_field |
why would we want to throttle the thing, again ? |
| 15:57 |
* |
ascii_field confused |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
well, there's no point in it having 2 items in queue while load is under 4 ish |
| 16:01 |
punkman |
http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 |
| 16:01 |
assbot |
dpr » udp and me ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERZVWl ) |
| 16:02 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: the way it works is that when polling interval elapses, it does everything in the queue |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess that's spikey no ? |
| 16:03 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 16:04 |
ascii_field |
if folks were to put a million keys through this thing each day, every time a new planet with intelligent pgp-using aliens is contacted, i would probably tweak a few things, yes. |
| 16:04 |
jurov |
mircea prolly noticed lightbulbs dimming every 5s |
| 16:05 |
ascii_field |
i also love how mircea_popescu put this box in a war zone |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4755 @ 0.00028909 = 1.3746 BTC [-] |
| 16:16 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:16 |
ascii_field |
BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/baltimore/baltimore-police.htm |
| 16:16 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ES3pZ2 ) |
| 16:17 |
ascii_field |
gotta love those traditional wooden 'democratizers' |
| 16:17 |
ascii_field |
( http://cryptome.org/2015-info/baltimore/pict4.jpg ) |
| 16:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ES3Hix ) |
| 16:17 |
trinque |
what is that, pepper-spray paintball? |
| 16:17 |
trinque |
or just paintball |
| 16:17 |
ascii_field |
painball |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
dude that police looks just like lego characters foretold. |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
the revolver-shotgun is finally out, apparently |
| 16:18 |
trinque |
ascii_field: rubber rounds in pic #5? |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
(pic19.jpg) |
| 16:18 |
trinque |
I'm not familiar with seeing cops holding those |
| 16:19 |
ascii_field |
the obligatory ziptie handcuffs (last photo.) |
| 16:19 |
trinque |
revolver shotgun likely fires tear gas canisters |
| 16:20 |
ascii_field |
see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-02-2015#1029076 |
| 16:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-02-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next. |
| 16:21 |
trinque |
stylish leather strap on those beatin'-sticks |
| 16:23 |
* |
ascii_field finds these scenes extra-lulzy on account of having walked on those streets |
| 16:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00180847 = 1.8085 BTC [+] {8} |
| 16:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.0016191 = 1.1334 BTC [-] |
| 16:41 |
BingoBoingo |
ascii_field: lol at the MRAP |
| 16:52 |
williamdunne |
!down |
| 16:55 |
jurov |
!left |
| 16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!butt |
| 16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
hm... butt should do something |
| 17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
!up |
| 17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
!down |
| 17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
!up |
| 17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
!down |
| 17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
!left |
| 17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
!right |
| 17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
!a |
| 17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
!b |
| 17:01 |
assbot |
Need a number of lines. |
| 17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
!a |
| 17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
!b |
| 17:01 |
assbot |
Need a number of lines. |
| 17:01 |
jurov |
!b 1e1000 |
| 17:01 |
assbot |
Make it a positive integer. |
| 17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 31337 |
| 17:02 |
assbot |
Last 31337 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZP0YCV.txt ) |
| 17:10 |
mod6 |
!butt should just do like: (_8_) |
| 17:11 |
mod6 |
or select a jpg from a random pool of hotbutts |
| 17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwjYuywWlA |
| 17:12 |
assbot |
34 3lb Ham Slicer Vs The Wolf - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA2wN ) |
| 17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently robot fights is a thing |
| 17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone into this scene ? |
| 17:15 |
mod6 |
ham slicer just waxed that thing |
| 17:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 663 @ 0.0017814 = 1.1811 BTC [+] {8} |
| 17:21 |
* |
lobbes vaguely recalls some tv show from ~15 years ago depicting robot fights such as these |
| 17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
should be lots of fun now that silly-valley's come up with the police bot. |
| 17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
get some $5 dollar wedgers in there lol |
| 17:24 |
pete_dushenski |
lobbes was this 'the bots master' ? https://youtu.be/LLKYOSiW7U4 |
| 17:24 |
assbot |
Bots Master Intro - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTGiLm ) |
| 17:27 |
pete_dushenski |
ah nm, more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab2V_tH076A |
| 17:27 |
assbot |
RC Fighting Robot Wars - Inertia XL v's Tilley's Revenge - 2013 Combat Robots UK Championships - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTGESc ) |
| 17:28 |
lobbes |
pete_dushenski: yes! that second one |
| 17:29 |
* |
pete_dushenski also remembers this show from childhood, watching it with brother and father. |
| 17:36 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115259 << i don't want to say i had anything to do with this, but... |
| 17:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 03:45:05; decimation: lol http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-twitter-earns-20150429-story.html < "The company lost $162.4 million, compared with a loss of $132.4 million in the year-earlier quarter. Revenue jumped to $435.9 million from $250.5 million, but still fell far short of analysts' expectations of $463 million." |
| 17:36 |
danielpbarron |
it was called battle bots i think |
| 17:36 |
pete_dushenski |
losing my account and losing 20% of your share price just a month later? hmm, twitter, very hmm. |
| 17:36 |
pete_dushenski |
danielpbarron that was totally it. |
| 17:38 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115268 << fuck stltoday and their wapo-esque survey paywall. |
| 17:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 03:59:26; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Ferguson may be heating up again http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/gunfire-wounds-one-amid-protest-near-brown-shooting-scene-in/article_20958339-2ed0-577d-a80d-ba0959137074.html |
| 17:38 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: Stahp using javascript everywhere |
| 17:39 |
pete_dushenski |
anyways, ferguson remains on low boil until further notice. |
| 17:40 |
pete_dushenski |
and reloading makes the stltoday page magically work. |
| 17:40 |
pete_dushenski |
because that makes sense. |
| 17:40 |
pete_dushenski |
"if you looks at our ads twice, we'll let you read the page once" |
| 17:41 |
pete_dushenski |
"or you can look at them once and fill out our survey" |
| 17:41 |
pete_dushenski |
"Police made at least five arrests for charges including burglary and flourishing a weapon." << flourishing! how poetic. |
| 17:42 |
danielpbarron |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvvlhOfxKfs |
| 17:42 |
assbot |
Sunny in Philadelphia, Mac and Dennis act British - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTIXoh ) |
| 17:45 |
pete_dushenski |
danielpbarron i do enjoy 'sunny'. the first 5 seasons were pretty fucking hilarious but i haven't kept up with it since then. |
| 17:46 |
danielpbarron |
it's one of my favorites to leave on in the background while doing other things |
| 18:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11066 @ 0.00028881 = 3.196 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:00 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: Anyways the Post Dispatch was the first Pulitzer owned newspaper |
| 18:02 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo pulitzer winning ? how does a prize own a paper. |
| 18:03 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: No, as in the historical person Pulitzer. |
| 18:03 |
pete_dushenski |
lolk |
| 18:03 |
pete_dushenski |
also '2015 winner' according to site |
| 18:04 |
pete_dushenski |
brb |
| 18:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00028754 = 5.6502 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:27 |
pete_dushenski |
back. |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 18:57 |
williamdunne |
Scoop the fourth is now re-written. Will be moved to a server, rather than my laptop |
| 18:57 |
williamdunne |
At the moment doesn't support adding new feeds. That will come soon-ish |
| 18:58 |
pete_dushenski |
williamdunne want me to test it on contravex ? |
| 18:59 |
williamdunne |
That'd be ideal |
| 18:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00028595 = 2.3877 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:01 |
scoopbot_revived |
scoopbot_revivied test http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/29/scoopbot_revivied-test/ |
| 19:01 |
assbot |
scoopbot_revivied test | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGJLfV ) |
| 19:02 |
pete_dushenski |
there we go. |
| 19:02 |
williamdunne |
Perfect |
| 19:09 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115874 << seems like the trilema editors should scan qntra articles too. |
| 19:09 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 14:42:28; mircea_popescu: (and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time) |
| 19:09 |
pete_dushenski |
i mean, a few of us here do it for fun, but surely we miss errors here and there. |
| 19:13 |
williamdunne |
w.b-a.link down.. lol |
| 19:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9993 @ 0.00029333 = 2.9312 BTC [+] |
| 19:15 |
pete_dushenski |
hm. same here. |
| 19:19 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115643 <<< from their website under "Strategic Advisors" Jackson Palmer and Brock Pierce lol |
| 19:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 10:14:00; davout: so apparently this neucoin thing sold for 2.7kBTC worth of their, ahem, "coin" |
| 19:23 |
pete_dushenski |
bwahaha |
| 19:23 |
pete_dushenski |
on the plus side, they only pulled in 2700 btc, most of which was surely their own |
| 19:24 |
pete_dushenski |
this is down markedly from a year ago, when scams could still find 10,000+ btc |
| 19:26 |
cazalla |
still, not a bad effort compared to some other launches |
| 19:26 |
cazalla |
how much did that gems messaging app raise? BingoBoingo always goes on about it for some reason |
| 19:26 |
cazalla |
"hey cazalla, you should get gems yo, you earn gems for messaging" |
| 19:26 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: No idea |
| 19:26 |
pete_dushenski |
!s gems |
| 19:26 |
assbot |
58 results for 'gems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gems |
| 19:27 |
cazalla |
soz for the elbowing BingoBoingo but i saw more gems news on coinfire earlier :) |
| 19:29 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.blockchainsummit.io << fuckin branson. derp harder, mate. |
| 19:29 |
assbot |
Block Chain Summit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGNWZc ) |
| 19:30 |
pete_dushenski |
just whatever you do, don't pgp up and wander in here. |
| 19:30 |
pete_dushenski |
because hosting nobodies on your private island is more fun! |
| 19:32 |
pete_dushenski |
oh look, bitgo dood, garzik, pierce, and silbert are all going. |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"This post Formule de salut on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. concerning SEO provides clear thought for new SEO users that how to do Search engine optimization, therefore keep it up. Nice job |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
Asics sale" |
| 19:35 |
cazalla |
yeah, qntra has plenty of those and other variations mircea_popescu |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
you must be good at seo. |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski errybody wannabe cartman. |
| 19:44 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu and flirt with transgenderism! |
| 19:45 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3c143UdGxI |
| 19:45 |
assbot |
Cartman's transgender toilet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGQxCl ) |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i ha dno idea |
| 19:46 |
pete_dushenski |
season 17 or 18 |
| 19:46 |
pete_dushenski |
newer shit. |
| 19:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 626 @ 0.00178791 = 1.1192 BTC [+] {8} |
| 20:01 |
Pierre_Rochard |
pacioli accounting software preview: http://pacio.li/FinancialStatements/IncomeStatement/BTC/Month/Current |
| |
↖ |
| 20:02 |
assbot |
Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1duInDJ ) |
| 20:02 |
Pierre_Rochard |
click around, let me know if anything busts |
| 20:02 |
Pierre_Rochard |
(and any other feedback) |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lol uncategorized everything!!11 |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
what sort of an example are you setting for business people such as myself!@ |
| 20:08 |
Pierre_Rochard |
haha, well, some random categorizations will be in the next iteration of the test data generation script |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
| 20:13 |
Pierre_Rochard |
the core accounting part is stable at this point, the treasury part needs a major overhaul, and documentation / source code access will be in place before the next halving |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it doesnt even say if its gaap or what |
| 20:15 |
Pierre_Rochard |
it’s definitely gaap at this point |
| 20:16 |
Pierre_Rochard |
in fact the database tables and query structures are as close to perfect accounting theory as you’ll get |
| 20:16 |
Pierre_Rochard |
but most of gaap is about how to book specific transactions (for example expense vs capitalize) |
| 20:17 |
Pierre_Rochard |
so it’s gaap if a good accountant is using pacioli, it’s some non-gaap thing otherwise |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
well... you see what im saying ? |
| 20:34 |
Pierre_Rochard |
I don’t… gaap or non-gaap depends 90% on the user, 10% on the software - the software is at 11% |
| 20:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12222 @ 0.00029587 = 3.6161 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:35 |
bitstein |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Spinal_Tap_-_Up_to_Eleven.jpg |
| 20:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zrm9wd ) |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Pierre_Rochard a large chunk of the utility here is education, seeing how a bunch of people are going to get involved in a sort of you know, de novo, revolutionary economic process. |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so giving them stuff like - well documented drop lists ? huge win. |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta funel the process of selection towards gaap/sanity |
| 20:50 |
Pierre_Rochard |
I see, completely agree |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
TON of work on yoru side |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
but the good sort of work, the sort that creates a barrier to entry. |
| 20:50 |
Pierre_Rochard |
started here, but definitely ton of work: http://rochard.org/pacioli/docs/Chart_of_Accounts |
| 20:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Q04hMM ) |
| 20:50 |
Pierre_Rochard |
yes |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. it WILL help if it leverages the power of html to literally funel people into sense. |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"pick from here, then here then here". |
| 20:52 |
Pierre_Rochard |
that’s a great approach, I was stuck in the mindset of “I’m coding this for accountants”, rather than “I’m coding this to create accountants” |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
yep, you got it. |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and even if the resulting "accountants" won't be very good by the way this is measured today (a "stickler" approach - great emphasis on detail) |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
if they have ~fundamental~ understanding as a result of interacting with your thing, you scored major points. |
| 20:56 |
Pierre_Rochard |
right, agreed |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
there's actually, how did that quote go... |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"I have often felt that programming is an art form, |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
whose real value can only be appreciated |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
by another versed in the same arcane art; |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
there are lovely gems and brilliant coups |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hidden from human view and admiration, sometimes forever, |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
by the very nature of the process." |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
applies to accounting just as well, except even fewer people know. |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and i don't even mean it in the made-for-tv "tax dodge11!1!" sense. |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean it in the bluntest "make sense of reality" sense. |
| 21:02 |
Pierre_Rochard |
indeed, though I think the gems will become apparent as pacioli becomes integrated with a wallet and the WoT. writing the core accounting part was necessary because of all the crufted OSS gnucash/openerp monoliths |
| 21:04 |
Pierre_Rochard |
the end goal is to have a currency -> payments -> accounting -> finance process that is well oiled and a joy to use |
| 21:04 |
Pierre_Rochard |
off to dinner |
| 21:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31608 @ 0.00029841 = 9.4321 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 21:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00030179 = 2.9977 BTC [+] |
| 21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
| 21:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26032 @ 0.00030474 = 7.933 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 22:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00031148 = 3.4419 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 22:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24633 @ 0.00030354 = 7.4771 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 22:41 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: more on ada: http://www.adacore.com/academia/universities/ < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools |
| 22:41 |
assbot |
Universities | Academia | AdaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpqUs2 ) |
| 22:42 |
decimation |
this is a feature - not a bug - if we agree with the notion that anything that keeps the masses of cool kids away is a good thing |
| 22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what'd be popular tech schools ? |
| 22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
like georgia tech or what |
| 22:47 |
decimation |
yeah, ivies, major land grant schools |
| 22:48 |
decimation |
there are a couple of those on the list, but mostly it's made up of small private schools and vocational schools |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
so more like mit ? that's notrly popular is it ? |
| 22:48 |
decimation |
well, mit is probably the most notable school in the list |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
or you mean popular as in, sought after. not as in, where commoners gather |
| 22:48 |
decimation |
yeah, sought after |
| 22:52 |
decimation |
I think mit actually has a significant percentage of high school valedictorians |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2000 @ 0.00184061 = 3.6812 BTC [+] {14} |
| 22:58 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: so have you been poking around centos or scientific linux? |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mnope |
| 22:58 |
decimation |
I assumed based on your epel comment |
| 22:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1000 @ 0.0016191 = 1.6191 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ah, installed nginx, yeah |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess this qualifies. |
| 23:01 |
decimation |
if you want something that can serve static pages https://www.unix4lyfe.org/darkhttpd/ < fits in head |
| 23:01 |
assbot |
darkhttpd ... ( http://bit.ly/1IptD4B ) |
| 23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, i run wordpress |
| 23:03 |
decimation |
I assume you saw http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/27/wordpress_zero_day_xss/ |
| 23:03 |
assbot |
Comments considered harmful: WordPress web hijack bug revealed • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipu13c ) |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116111 :p |
| 23:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 18:06:30; mircea_popescu: 2.x immune. |
| 23:05 |
decimation |
ah heh |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not upgrading pays. |
| 23:09 |
decimation |
yes indeed. which is why most 'serious business' uses old redhat |
| 23:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.0016191 = 1.1334 BTC [-] |
| 23:21 |
decimation |
lol some guy was reading #b-a and has an anti-tcp agenda http://notcp.io/ |
| 23:21 |
assbot |
The NoTCP Manifesto ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpwvhS ) |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, node.js is performant ?! |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this, the future ? |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"Chukka-booted footsteps" ahaha ok. |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
yeah I'm not sure if the guy is joking or not |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
hey various folks whose pgp keys i've signed at teh conference key signing party... you're supposed to also sign mine! |
| |
↖ |
| 23:33 |
decimation |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
thank you |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115832 << We're discussing the same thing. If the program has "marked" all instances of $WHATEVER I can trivally add "Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and report what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?" on top of it. |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 14:29:15; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "why are the holes not marked or filled?" << ftr this is not what i was contemplating. what I was contemplating is, why the fuck don't defaults pop up. bring back the fucking paperclip, put it the ONE place where it makes fucking sense. "hey john, I see you changed FuckOff() from bool to int. This function is called 82 places in 22 files. Would you like me to a) check all places where |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115836 << lol |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 14:31:02; Adlai: aha, the good old C-c C-w C-c |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115871 << If the "rules" of human language are formalized it becomes much easier to break them in interesting ways. One could use the output of a shannonizer to inform word choice for his story, enforcing that each word is followed by one of the top 10 least likely words in the whole of the language up to this point. I suspect that such a tale would be great fun to re |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 14:41:31; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? " << this i can readily answer. because I am what's called "a creator of language", which is to say one of those people who, through his usage, ENACTS the rules all amateur users of language MUST follow, as a mark of their linguistic inferiority. like fucking shakespeare. |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
ad, as most people would immediately recoil in horror, seeing something so very different what they're used to. |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115889 << and I will point out that you're wrong. The simplicity of lisp vs. C is absolutely due to the inherrent properties of the respective artifacts. Seriously, MMM vs GC, parsing vs. not, no bignums vs. numerics - "abstractions push upward" (TM). |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 15:00:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115422 << this, i will point out, is in no way related to any inherent property of either (unless you mean lisp is inherently going to fail), but simply a function of context. had the linux kernel been implemented in sclb, and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tu |
| 23:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116046 << http://gabriel-laddel.github.io |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 17:05:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115613 << dude srsly. GET A BLOG ALREADY. |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
SPOILER ALERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipy0Nb ) |
| 23:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116069 << b/c it doesn't belong in a blog post. |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 17:12:02; mircea_popescu: and why the fuck am i referencing pastebins. |
| 23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit sherlock |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
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| 23:34 |
decimation |
heh |
| 23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
gabriel_laddel natural languages are not formalizable. |
| 23:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116068 << see the lisp machine etc. |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-04-2015 17:11:55; mircea_popescu: "The studious will note that this is a completely solved problem that no machine learning algorithm will be able to approximate anytime soon." i'm sorry...what ? solved how ? |
| 23:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
Erik Naggum disagreed |
| 23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
erik naggum was not a linguist. |
| 23:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
Lemme find the quote |
| 23:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
apart from this, I have written Emacs Lisp functions to make a statement into a question and vice versa, to join and split sentences (not quite as trivial as it sounds), to upgrade from singular to plural and vice versa, to change the person from second to third and vice versa, et cetera. significant parts of grammar is the way it is to maintain correspondence between numbers and persons and tenses and such, and sin |
| 23:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
ce this is mostly redundant, it can be also automated. this is stuff that takes just a bit of time to do, but when a whole paragraph of text needs to be changed from second person singular or from third person singular to third person plural, it's nice to do that with a couple keystrokes. it's also nice to see that the pronouns are easily traceable to their origins, and don't get messed up in several layers of refer |
| 23:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
ences. if my code can't figure it out, chances are so won't anybody else, at least not easily. |
| 23:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ that is formalized enough for me. |
| 23:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"formalized enough" eh ? |
| 23:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
Would you agree that a shannonizer is a formalization? |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i would agree that the counting horse is a remarkable horse, |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
but i won't agree he's a mathematician. |
| 23:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
wait what |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
a shannonizer is a formalisation, but not of natural language. |
| 23:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'll agree to that. |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
all models are wrong - some are useful |
| 23:45 |
decimation |
^George Box |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
if a purpose is stated. |
| 23:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
wtf I can't find the source for that quote anymore |
| 23:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
anyways - full quote is available here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147662 |
| 23:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IpzB5E ) |
| 23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://www.samueljohnson.com/apocryph.html#20 << check it out btw. |
| 23:46 |
assbot |
The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page: Apocrypha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpzFlM ) |
| 23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"I have typed an average of 21.3 keystrokes per second" eh gtfo. |
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| 23:54 |
assbot |
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