#trilema | 2015-04-17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7283 @ 0.00030669 = 2.2336 BTC [-] {2}

00:21

!up jayk

00:21

dude, as soon as ben_vulpes split party died

00:22

Really?

00:23

myeah

00:27

williamdunne how do you mean ? it's only defined as #mask_head_ie{position:relative; for ie, are you on ie and they changed how they break css meanwhile ?

00:28

I'm getting it on firefox, I'll try testing it again

00:29

Interesting, can't replicate the issue

00:29

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mircea_popescu hasn't changed anything

00:29

maybe you got a bad (partial) page load ?

00:29

Yeah I have no clue what happened there

00:29

Possible

00:30

mircea_popescu: how do you get home so quickly/!

00:30

heh.

00:30

i might not be able to hail a cab, but i can goose partybutt into action

00:31

now its time to audit bills

00:31

SMALLBIZLYFE

00:31

williamdunne: I haven't been able to reproduce on my version of FireFox

00:31

just call it derpcorp

00:31

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102783 << you don;'t understand how braindamage works.

00:31

Logged on 16-04-2015 20:48:37; williamdunne: Which derp is responsible for marketing at Quadriga CX, and why are they wasting money advertising their Canadian exchange to someone in the UK.

00:32

but maybe they buy a nascar stadium. it'll be good for bitcoin (fm)

00:32

mircea_popescu: And I hope I never do

00:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00030775 = 2.0619 BTC [+]

00:32

BingoBoingo: Yeah, seems issue was my side because even I can't replicate it now

00:33

williamdunne: The Trilema CSS has been by MP's declaration constant for years nao. Maybe your Firecox updated to solve the regression?

00:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102807 << no wai ?!

00:33

Logged on 16-04-2015 23:17:05; ascii_c3: because it wasn't me...

00:34

mircea_popescu: i thought you were aware of this!

00:34

was not no.

00:34

i saw teh mitm parts

00:34

next time i will be more explicit

00:34

!s disney

00:34

92 results for 'disney' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=disney

00:35

but directly related to box relocation desire

00:35

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102836 << it is, actually, but we see.

00:35

Logged on 17-04-2015 01:04:33; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Is that being worked on?

00:36

Impressive how much is being worked on

00:36

!s s.limbs

00:36

20 results for 's.limbs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.limbs

00:37

http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/#comment-113674

00:37

Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUH7hG )

00:38

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102867 < i lolt.

00:38

Logged on 17-04-2015 02:26:29; sickboy: I trade swaps at finex and arb futures on icbit and okcoin and make options markets on 796

00:39

!s S.MNKY

00:39

9 results for 'S.MNKY' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=S.MNKY

00:39

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BingoBoingo likes how itBet with FDIC on board only changed one letter from icBit bukkit shop

00:41

http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif just for jayk.

00:41

... ( http://bit.ly/1CUHGrS )

00:41

it's called mining.

00:41

dude mircea_popescu i just overflowed the calculator on this pnhoe

00:42

lol ?

00:42

mircea_popescu: for brown gold?

00:42

williamdunne i think they call them buttcoins

00:43

mircea_popescu: 10/10 you beat me fair and square

00:43

;;google they really are buttcoins nao

00:43

They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727776.0>; NEXT: 26-07-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014>

00:43

^ williamdunne

00:46

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu.. is.. is that your hairy asscrack on my screen?

00:46

williamdunne: The world may never know

00:46

...

00:46

what ?!

00:47

williamdunne: The big question is the spots on the mirror. Jizz or toothpaste.

00:47

Oh hang on, its not. Its a talker just re-read the mpoe-pr

00:47

!up ascii_on_tour

00:47

Hello Mr. unreliabru narrator

00:47

BingoBoingo: Yeah thats pretty gross

00:47

danke BingoBoingo

00:47

gasp

00:47

williamdunne some dude called himself klye iirc.

00:47

it is the verboten handle!

00:47

mega-expedition here

00:48

mircea_popescu: Gotta appreciate the dedication

00:48

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102971 << s.mpoe is down what, 50% ?

00:48

Logged on 17-04-2015 03:11:16; jayk: yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months

00:48

ascii_orc: did you reabsorb all the water you lost today?

00:48

mircea_popescu: Earlier than klye, for the buttcointalk thread up "Jordan"

00:48

BingoBoingo o ? i thought it was him.

00:48

ascii_orc: aha now that's clever

00:48

mircea_popescu: Klye also made Buttcoin but later and for far less

00:49

The Jordan dude was a one and done

00:49

false alarm

00:50

bad config on this piece of jetsam

00:50

overdue for scrapyard

00:50

apocrypha

00:50

naturally

00:50

ascii_on_tour: Anyone local check to make sure you aren't imposter in latex mask?

00:50

though good live fire test for the whole concept

00:51

what said unsigned - apocrypha always

00:51

ya well talk to me when you find your keys again

00:51

IMPOSTOR

00:51

ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think

00:51

before launching.

00:52

said the shannonizer.

00:52

Attack plan R?

00:52

OPE?

00:53

variant xy

00:53

CRM-114?

00:53

green team you are not cleared for operation tango in my butt

00:54

Paging Herr Doktor Merkwürdigliebe

00:54

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ascii_on_tour is finding mars unexpectedly wet

00:54

ah it can't go on for very long

00:54

clouds don't really have a lot of water in them

00:54

l0l

00:56

ben_vulpes: i did figure out how to work the cabs

00:56

have to catch it - physically.

00:56

some orc

00:56

like animal

00:56

i was planning to actually jump in front of the next one too, aha

00:57

this is probably sop per local orcraft

00:57

brainorcage

00:57

no i just grabbed hold of the door handle when it went

00:57

haha

00:57

opened.

00:57

"oh, door is open? guess should stahp"

00:57

Such informative research

00:58

my cabbie: "hay mucho lluvia!"

00:58

fella inside had a picture he studied at every light; 'wanted' photo of a car

00:58

Is "black car" a mode of transport in hardware #b-a?

00:58

several angles of photo plus license plate

00:58

me: (no shit, idiot) "si, si. hotel redacto, por favor?"

00:58

BingoBoingo: black car ?

00:58

ascii_on_tour: Like taxi, but only on hire in advance basis

00:59

BingoBoingo: limousine ?

00:59

no idea.

00:59

ascii_on_tour: Limousine or similar premise, but shorter

00:59

i only even took cab because happily waltzed into opposite compass direction from what was given

00:59

BingoBoingo ah i seem to vaguely reclal this

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because thought was walking on moebius strip or the like.

00:59

<ascii_on_tour> false alarm << heh.

01:00

'burned on hot - will blow on cold' (™) (R)

01:00

<ascii_on_tour> ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think << you don't understand how launching works.

01:00

'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (tm)

01:00

yes.

01:01

btw mitm is real

01:01

still there as far as i can tell.

01:01

ssh over whatever port.

01:01

im sure it's for your own safetit.

01:01

l0lziez

01:03

!up liquidassets

01:03

ascii_on_tour so what is this zblatnik thing then ?

01:03

thanks mp you're the man

01:03

wut

01:04

i dunno, it's in the email you sent me ?

01:04

wut??

01:04

sent?

01:04

you didn't send me an email just now ?

01:04

no!

01:04

o wow. it must be that i'm fucking with you then :D

01:04

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ascii_on_tour suspected

01:04

because 'z'

01:04

liquidassets who're you ?

01:04

what are we now, czechs?

01:04

ascii_on_tour sound zlegit.

01:05

zaha

01:05

zsure.

01:05

zamassl

01:05

not even my real nick, if I had one, been reading logs for awhile now, been here a few times before

01:05

aha

01:05

can't get the hang of gpg...more reading

01:05

"this is not even my REAL pseudonym"

01:05

liquidassets: wtf is a real nick?

01:05

toolate.gif

01:05

'was shakespeare written by shakespeare, or other man of that name' (™) (R)

01:06

liquidassets: GPG can be leanred with concentration.

01:06

the one I originally wanted to use before I lost my password, or stopped working, or got ddosed...

01:06

next up: mircea_popescu firsting

01:06

ascii_on_tour believe it or not academic careers arew built on this

01:06

on and on...

01:06

like they are on every other meaningless (and so thereforee unverifiable) distinction

01:06

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ascii_on_tour knew, even knew of the gzip paper

01:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00030608 = 2.9996 BTC [-] {2}

01:06

(the one where gzip is demonstrated as mega-authorship-authenticator instrument)

01:07

https://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/weimar-burning-money_2.jpg?w=450 << mega-l0l because,

01:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1CULNUS )

01:07

we had this stove.

01:08

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BingoBoingo wonders if MPEx would be interested in Onion futures if I manage to escape wire, simply because US demands Onions not have futures

01:08

mega-chick also, in the photo

01:08

mega what how?

01:09

ben_vulpes: 'money oven' photo, linked

01:09

oh i understand but in what way mega babe?

01:09

in painting by imagination.

01:11

https://twitter.com/chrissanders88/status/588783110956785664

01:11

OH: “If you are the crazy shotgun guy and people want to test you then you just arent crazy enough."

01:11

http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif << fucksaw (TM)

01:11

... ( http://bit.ly/1G2L3nV )

01:11

!s fucksaw

01:11

0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw

01:12

ascii_on_tour: how explain IP?

01:12

also how explain no results for fucksaw

01:12

connected to access point across the street

01:12

'linksys;

01:12

try yourself

01:12

ascii_on_tour everyone had that stove.

01:13

mircea_popescu: ever orc north of equator

01:13

*every

01:13

no, this is a vienna thing.

01:13

hence the "vienese smokes" specification for them

01:13

viense smoke = best smoke.

01:13

can anyone tell me if this VPN is something I don't want to use? I found this green gorilla thing next to the freenode login from #b-a's main page. Thought it was the cloak I was looking for. Don't believe it is as it's made logging into Thunderbird and Craigslist impossible without turning it off

01:13

wut

01:13

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32v8ko/new_york_update_former_nyse_ceo_to_teraexchange/cqf6xnh

01:13

ButterNubber comments on New York Update: Former NYSE CEO to TeraExchange Former FDIC Chair to itBit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2LsXH )

01:14

liquidassets: run moar winblows

01:14

"all of our servers are busy right now

01:14

please try again in a minute"

01:14

plox stop linking reddit, we're slashdotting them.

01:14

poor bugg3rz

01:14

on a mac...

01:14

liquidassets: stick pogoplug in library with wifi, use as VPN entry point

01:15

can I get one soon??

01:15

liquidassets: what would you bring through american airport? a vax ?

01:15

pogoplug I thought no such bought them all

01:15

mircea_popescu: But it's the big exposure of Qntra's follow up to BitPay 9 layoff forbes is trying to steal

01:15

liquidassets: l0l aha they are here.

01:15

BingoBoingo doh.

01:16

BingoBoingo they just "found it on the internet".

01:16

did you opt for pat down ascii?

01:16

I mean it i only the second big time insiders decided to leak qntra first, because qntra respects leaks

01:17

liquidassets: opted for default

01:17

which appears to consist of 'hurry the fuck up, we don't care what's in the crate'

01:17

seriously, mega-ass-inspection-fail

01:18

bienvenidos a argentina

01:18

!up ascii_on_tour

01:18

!up ascii_on_tour continue unreliable narratodor

01:18

donde nadie dale las mierdas

01:19

l0l

01:19

ben_vulpes et al will ask my meatbag the next day, aha

01:20

' —Y mientras tanto qué comemos —preguntó, y agarró al coronel por el cuello de la franela. Lo sacudió con energía—. Dime, qué comemos. El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.' (TM)

01:20

https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/588935101712437248

01:20

Biggest news today in the /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash space by a mile. itBit landed none other then Sheila Blaire for their board! http://t.co/fn5VA2XdFx

01:21

http://www.literatura.us/garciamarquez/coronel.html << where else

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... ( http://bit.ly/1G2MG5h )

01:25

BingoBoingo: you oughta have come here.

01:25

'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.' (TM)

01:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16329 @ 0.0003065 = 5.0048 BTC [+] {3}

01:33

http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/ << obligatory su lul: '— one day, shell landed in a trench. all the men went up. at the end of the day, we turned up an arse and a set of limbs, no head, no torso. — what did you do? — if the head had turned up, it could be a man again. but naturally - it is top brass now. what else.'

01:33

Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2OvPm )

01:34

ascii_orc: But how is the steak?

01:35

almost alive.

01:35

could almost 'moo' in mouth.

01:35

Beautiful

01:36

Next month should be an inflection point that ends god awful multi-year misdemeanor proceedings

01:38

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/random-weird-shit3.jpg << i bet it was put to use. at least once.

01:38

Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aCrTr1 )

01:40

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ascii_orc to bed.

01:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00030369 = 1.2299 BTC [-]

~ 51 minutes ~

02:44

;;ticker --market buttstamp

02:44

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.73, Best ask: 225.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 224.83, 24 hour volume: 10271.83165616, 24 hour low: 223.5, 24 hour high: 229.67, 24 hour vwap: 227.079143186

02:44

mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JOTKka )

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Looks like it can be built for $26-30 worth of parts, less if made in bulk

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J1,J2 and J3 are just headers for the prototype of if I sell them I will go surface mount

02:52

;;bc,stats

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02:53

;;ticker

02:53

Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.77, Best ask: 225.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 225.86, 24 hour volume: 20324.16463538, 24 hour low: 224.55, 24 hour high: 230.0, 24 hour vwap: None

03:00

!up felipelalli

03:00

felipelalli: Quick question

03:00

felipelalli: Can you answer?

03:00

Hi BingoBoingo! Sure.

03:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00030775 = 7.863 BTC [+]

03:01

felipelalli: What virtues would Brazil have to offer a person expatriating the United States of Lulz?

03:05

This is what I am doing in the mean-time: http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_Perf.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JOW62C )

03:10

What do you mean with "of Lulz"?

03:13

felipelalli: Well, all those ways the US sucks that we don't talk about. Like way too many people I went to school with living in tri-generational homes.

03:14

Like people do in the poorest parts of Asia

03:14

!up felipelalli

03:15

BingoBoingo: are you from U.S.? Do you intends to do as Roger Ver did? Something like that?

03:16

Not as Roger Ver did. If I manage to leave alive I intend to do it with both middle fingers out of a cheap Saturn sedan.

03:17

I wonder mostly... where do I park the Saturn

03:17

ahahha :)

03:18

I'm wondering if Brazil has compelling places and characteristics that justify getting Portugese

03:19

!up asciilifeform

03:20

mircea_popescu: The few salaried Gawler folk get scared http://gawker.com/why-weve-decided-to-organize-1698246231

03:20

Why We've Decided to Organize ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOYbvu )

03:21

BingoBoingo: well, the Brazil is a very complicated country. We have like 60~70% of taxes, but our government is very corrupt and inefficient. So, the people try to avoid to pay taxes, but some taxes are impossible to avoid. As a reference, you can buy a new March (small car of Nissan) 1.6 here for US$ 13,000.00 and you can't import your old Saturn. Used car import is prohibited. Also, a negative point is the huge urban violence.

03:22

And you can't defend your self because personal weapon is very tackled, both culturally and the by the government.

03:24

BingoBoingo: But with money you can live well here. I like the State of São Paulo, where I live, and I like my city Campinas. There are nice cities around here, like Sorocaba or Águas de São Pedro.

03:24

Corrupt and inefficient is good, but somewhere between Laredo nd Nuevo Laredo I would indeed like to acquire a 1911

03:26

despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year)

03:26

I fell more free in relation of the government pressure, but not about the urban violence.

03:27

in Australia I was used to walk at dawn, and here it is dangerous.

03:28

I was assaulted at least 4 times in my life. Last time it was in 2008 I guess.

03:28

i had a dream about the south american map night before last

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the countries were stretched like thin strips like they were all chile

03:28

BingoBoingo: I have two friends from U.S. living here. Well, at least one. One of them I think already went back to U.S.

03:28

funkenstein_: can't carry a knife? if not a gun?

03:29

* felipelalli ^

03:29

brazil had a really fat part in the south out in front of b.a.

03:29

BingoBoingo: I can introduce them to you and you can ask them.

03:29

and i had to identify them on the map using a javascript phrase like js.equalsVerify("brazil")

03:29

felipelalli: I have time, now might not be the right one yet

03:29

trinque: you can carry a knife, it is ok!

03:30

trinque: you can carry also a gun, because the police is almost absent. But you run the risk of being arrested. And you do not want to be arrested here!!

03:30

funkenstein_: lol

03:32

BingoBoingo: sure! But if you want I can introduce these two friends to you! One of them didn't like Brazil too much, I guess he already went back to U.S. The other one loves the beach here, but he complain about the insecurity, his house was robbed.

03:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17008 @ 0.00030312 = 5.1555 BTC [-] {3}

03:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8075 @ 0.00030108 = 2.4312 BTC [-] {2}

03:42

felipelalli: I'll wait for introductions until I'm out

03:43

felipelalli: Maybe you've been missing the news, but US police don't arrest armed persons very much anymore.

03:43

They do indeed do something, but that something is far from arrest...

03:44

BingoBoingo: it is a good news, isn't it? I know in U.S. you can carry a gun. I was saying here in Brazil. Here you can because the police almost doest not exist, but if you are caught, you'll be arrested.

03:45

felipelalli: What I mean by "far from arrest" in the US context is that rather than handcuffing a person the prefer to handcuff cadavears

03:46

!up felipelalli

03:47

BingoBoingo: auehaueauu that's news for me!

03:47

BingoBoingo: I thought it was guaranteed by the constitution.

03:47

BingoBoingo: I'll send you an email with their contacts.

03:47

Oh, shooting moving targets is the US police greatest pastime

03:48

auehaueauhea

03:50

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 161.66584834 BTC. Current weight: 58,179.

03:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0002988 = 1.7032 BTC [-]

03:51

BingoBoingo: maybe this video can summarize the Brazilian spirit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjrTOjxjxk

03:51

HUAHUEHUAHUE BR BR (Animated Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1b98PSn )

03:56

The tldr; situation on Gawker is Denton paid HamNo for too long and now he is focusing all his "pro-labor" effort on unionizing Gawker's editorial staff. No mention that editorial means management and as a rule management doesn't unionize.

04:05

felipelalli: Not very big on summaries here

04:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26386 @ 0.0002983 = 7.8709 BTC [-] {3}

04:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00030398 = 3.9213 BTC [+] {2}

04:22

heh http://andrewdieppa.kinja.com/indecent-exposure-or-the-fetlife-security-hole-1688251638

04:22

Indecent Exposure, or the FetLife Security Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBC4n )

04:22

wtf is kinja

04:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14334 @ 0.00030775 = 4.4113 BTC [+]

04:23

btw danielpbarron : see if https://twitter.com/fnxTX feels like coming by here sometime ?

04:23

JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBDVR )

04:25

mircea_popescu: Kinja is blogger, but offered by Gawker instead of Google

04:26

oic

04:27

For the drinkingrecord blog I've had a title to write in que on why kinja is a shit proposition for the individual blogger, but... time

04:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17951 @ 0.00030775 = 5.5244 BTC [+]

04:30

aha.

04:30

seems kinda obscure anyway

04:33

It is, why it fell on the backburner. They've pushed it, but their "values" make things such that the potential audience who could use it is too small.

04:36

myeah

04:40

OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench.

04:42

whassat ?

04:44

Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of taint.

04:45

haha ok

04:46

Been mixing coins definitely mine by legacy addresses with big wallets and going straight from the big wallets to CoinBase, because fuck it.

04:53

Working with minimal budget I've been cross taiting a number of coins across groups who I know don't want it.

04:53

(outside of #b-a sphere)

04:56

why would anyone care? unspent outputs are unspent outputs, something else going to an address is just another unspent output.

04:57

not like I ever have to touch dust you send to an address I control

04:59

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103255 <<< where abouts in australia did ya stay?

04:59

Logged on 17-04-2015 07:26:01; felipelalli: despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year)

05:03

!up felipelalli

05:03

cazalla: Brisbane, Queensland.

05:03

oh really? queensland is like most racist state in all the lands

05:04

cazalla: really? I didn't realize that.

05:04

might've been qld cops that killed a brazillian for simply running away

05:04

cazalla: ah! yeah. that was I said.

05:05

seems it was Sydney, oh well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Beto_Laudisio

05:05

Death of Beto Laudisio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw7Lj )

05:05

aaaaannnnd... http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iii/

05:05

Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw9Tq )

05:05

cazalla: I said I didn't feel free there in relation to the police/state, only that I could walk at night on street.

05:07

mircea_popescu, aaaaaaaaaannnnnd not a single one from melbourne, australia

05:07

cazalla: I remember well this case.

05:08

felipelalli, it caught a lot of attention in the media here, not sure abroad (although when indian students get bashed/murdered, indian media goes bananas)

05:11

cazalla imagine that.

05:11

cazalla: also here. But you have no idea how much people are killed by police here. If they'd create a new entry on Wikipedia about all cases the Wikipedia would run out of space!! ahhaha

05:11

some from queensland...

05:12

mircea_popescu: how did you make this list?

05:12

see http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/ ?

05:12

Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxjhL )

05:13

wow

05:13

i have an idea, lets give a bunch of idiots uniforms and guns and see what happens

05:14

During the inquest, the cause of death was also not determined. Various causes of death were, however, specifically ruled out. These were:

05:14

i. The tasering, either in drive stun or probe mode Experts determined that there was insufficient electricity to have caused a heart rhythm disruption in drive stun mode, nor were any pair of probes positioned either side of the heart (as was the case in scholarly articles in which it has been suggested that Taser may have caused ventricular fibrillation)

05:14

dude check that out. how do the tasers work, by invoking manna from heaven ?

05:15

http://i.imgur.com/rKg0J0M.jpg <<< garza's wife again

05:15

... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxFoL )

05:16

notbad.

05:16

is that a handcarved pole behind her, in between those corner windows ?

05:16

i seem to remember very similar windows...

05:22

funkenstein_: The point is the FBI and Treasury department showed up at my front door. I know full well I am watched. Vehicles park in my neighborhood without known possession. If they will deny me life as such then I will be Xoas, the gap.

05:23

If I must be minded, why not be the gap?

05:23

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103214 << ahaha good one.

05:23

Logged on 17-04-2015 05:35:33; ascii_orc: could almost 'moo' in mouth.

05:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103223 << pretty cool shit.

05:24

Logged on 17-04-2015 06:44:55; Chillum: mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software

05:25

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103247 << imo brazil is headed straight for mexico fail mode.

05:25

Logged on 17-04-2015 07:18:49; BingoBoingo: I'm wondering if Brazil has compelling places and characteristics that justify getting Portugese

05:25

this is not recoverable.

05:25

If already man, why not myth and legend?

05:25

mircea_popescu: Been my present Brazil objection

05:27

BingoBoingo the gawker shit kicks ass.

05:27

and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater"

05:27

mircea_popescu: I's seriously qntra it up now if wasn't contemplating legend atm

05:28

"as journalism has moved online and flourished over the past 20 years" "good times (which our company enjoys now), and even more in bad times (which will inevitably come)"

05:29

hahaha. if the past 20 years is flourishing, and the current "we don't pay you anything, write for free" thing is good times...

05:29

but he's right : worse times are coming.

05:29

mircea_popescu: it is also easy to extract all photos from the site, like this one: https://fetlife.com/users/70387/pictures/978791

05:29

Login - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAzhP7 )

05:29

yes.

05:30

"Nobody is seeking to hurt this company, or plunder it for all it's worth, or find a way to attack the people that run it. We're just trying to make it a bit more functional, and a bit more fair."

05:30

win.

05:30

tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun.

05:30

it had to happen, after all.

05:31

lol! they have a "accept of terms" when you create the account something like "please keep it anonymous".

05:32

everyone trying to foist the actual doing of their actual job on everyone else, it's a thing

05:32

called "welfare state"

05:32

Bingobongo, Xoas?

05:34

<mircea_popescu> tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun. <-- and so it begins

05:34

funkenstein_: Greek, English alphabet Chaos

05:34

!up felipelalli

05:34

thank you

05:35

re: mind the gap, i am moving out of fiat mordor in a few days

05:36

funkenstein_: Historically the term means something very different than in 20th century English

05:37

*

BingoBoingo wonders how many USG stooges will be billed to read Heraclitus nao

05:37

"abyss, that which gapes wide open, is vast and empty,"

05:38

the ocean of the undescriptable

05:38

nyarlathotep

05:38

mind the gap indeed eh?

05:38

Indeed

05:40

Unaddressed movie consequences "Man of Steel" (2013), everyone has arthritis nao

05:43

g'day asseteers

05:44

g'day punkman

05:46

http://i.imgur.com/YhKUqXu.png a day after the frenchies publish this... http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2013/08/16/des-seismes-sans-precedent-historique-sont-possibles-en-europe_3462489_3244.html

05:46

... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZUY )

05:46

Des séismes sans précédent historique sont possibles en Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZV2 )

05:47

pretty good shake last night

05:47

maybe Χαος is feeling frisky

05:47

But yes, since the Feds showed up at my door I have done my best to be a complete dick who either controls hundreds of dollars of BTC or hundreds of thousands (maybe millions, I'm an ass like that)

05:48

*

funkenstein_ sends greetings to all at the b-a mtg in b-a, sends energy to ensure it will b-a success

05:48

lol

05:48

cool deal.

05:48

punkman what if crete goes to look for atlantida ?

05:49

argentina looks like a good place to be considering tectonics

05:49

or maybe australia

05:50

punkman: Techtonically atlantic coasts, generally much safer

05:50

http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O

05:50

Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yACoGT )

05:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8827 @ 0.00030459 = 2.6886 BTC [-]

05:55

*

BingoBoingo errs on the side of underestimating the worth of his meat to USG

05:56

mircea_popescu: last big one pushed western part of the island about 10 meters upwards. so more likely to rise than sink.

06:06

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36590/this-industry-makes-me-sick <<< lol http://dpaste.com/3ZK2ST8.txt

06:06

HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEEhr )

06:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEG96 )

06:08

hah, win "Calling the employers of developers, that are giving their free time to paycoin, to get them fired? Calling and texting the parents of developers to tell them their child is part of scam?"

06:10

punkman the titanic rose before it sunk.

06:10

well... they ARE part of a scam.

06:11

and they aren't even getting paid...

06:11

typical idiocy, that.

06:11

gawker doing exactly the same posturing

06:11

"for the future".

06:11

cazalla, are there more pics?

06:11

the theory being that i am somehow obliged to BELIEVE their pretense, and pay them accordingly. which is why all teh anger when i go "orly, gawker ?"

06:11

i can't imagine his wife is that upset, had what.. 3 kids and still has a rockin' body

06:12

cazalla yah, nothing to be ashamed of there.

06:12

punkman, bitcointalk thread references some others but seems deleted or something

06:12

"Have I made mistakes? Yes. Have I owned them? Yes And am I still trying to "

06:12

lmao.

06:12

he should be on fetlife.

06:12

"What's more is they laugh about people loosing money."

06:12

loosing money?

06:13

the money! she is loose!

06:13

"my wife is loosin' money!"

06:13

garza, delousing money. since 2013

06:13

lol

06:14

"your honor... this money was very lossy to begin with!"

06:16

"I should've used TIFF, but I chose JPEG"

06:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4711 @ 0.00029743 = 1.4012 BTC [-]

06:17

lol, unlike Garza to taint hundreds to thousands of BTC with my stink I required no scam

06:18

fluffypony: For the qntra can you get lots of pictures of groups of the pale devils at BTCAfrica?

06:18

BingoBoingo, drinking?

06:18

cazalla: Yup

06:18

BingoBoingo: I will

06:18

fluffypony: Cool

06:19

tempted to keep my beers until tmw night

06:19

cazalla: Big reveal was planned sober though. Many non-Wotty outfits handle too much money and could use some WoT stink anyways

06:22

well your stash must tend towards the millions if this taint is widespread :P

06:24

cazalla: You don't understand how fundamentally these services are broken. You can withdraw Bitcents from addresses with hundreds of BTC

06:25

!up mogreen How's your eye?

06:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0002942 = 3.7069 BTC [-] {2}

06:27

BingoBoingo: My eye? Why would you be asking about my eye?

06:27

mogreen: Haven't you seen the movie?

06:27

BingoBoingo: nope

06:28

mogreen: Oh, if I'm talking through a time warp watch out for the massage table and the big wop with the flowerbox.

06:29

BingoBoingo: noted, thx

06:29

So how's vegas?

06:32

BingoBoingo: still in my future I guess

06:32

BingoBoingo: I presently have no plans to visit vegas

06:32

I have no sensible explanation for your irc nick then mogreen

06:33

BingoBoingo: even ppl who don't go to vegas need mo' green!

06:33

Oh, boring weed reference

06:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00028851 = 12.5502 BTC [-] {3}

06:37

i thought you were talking about the candlestick charts usd/btc

06:39

Nah

06:42

namecoin has been quite volatile for a couple days

06:42

which is my clumsy segue for asking a question

06:42

what do you think about putting gpg fingerprint in namecoin database

06:42

instead of e.t. "mit server"

06:42

*e.g.

06:43

or even full pubkey

06:44

in name value pair like "/k funkenstein","<pubkey>"

06:44

or some such?

06:44

!up felipelalli

06:44

!up felipelalli

06:49

seems like a good idea to me but nobody uses it as far as i can tell

06:49

http://wiki.namecoin.info/index.php?title=Identity#GPG

06:49

Identity - Namecoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Heo1t0 )

06:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11911 @ 0.0002999 = 3.5721 BTC [+] {2}

~ 31 minutes ~

07:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27828 @ 0.00030545 = 8.5001 BTC [+]

07:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31762 @ 0.00030775 = 9.7748 BTC [+]

07:35

http://thedailywtf.com/articles/nothing-refreshes-like-lorem-ipsum

07:35

Nothing Refreshes like Lorem Ipsum - The Daily WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPznn1 )

07:46

!up CheckDavid

07:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00029343 = 24.5307 BTC [-] {4}

07:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13367 @ 0.00030775 = 4.1137 BTC [+]

07:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00030775 = 12.4331 BTC [+]

08:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00030775 = 2.3235 BTC [+]

08:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00030775 = 14.2796 BTC [+]

~ 24 minutes ~

08:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81800 @ 0.0002833 = 23.1739 BTC [-]

08:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00028554 = 23.2715 BTC [+]

08:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70655 @ 0.00029359 = 20.7436 BTC [+] {2}

09:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14245 @ 0.00030284 = 4.314 BTC [+]

09:08

good morning

~ 23 minutes ~

09:32

Bloomberg down, finance workers shit themselves

~ 23 minutes ~

09:55

achtung pumperos!

09:56

to the showers and thence the lobby!

09:57

y despues, desayuno?

10:11

!up sosamendez

10:11

!up DigitalDayTrader

10:12

will there be any windows releases of the protocol from the bitcoin foundation?

10:12

http://thebitcoin.foundation/

10:12

..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 )

10:13

im talking about this one

10:15

no.

10:15

sosamendez you can compile it if you wish, and sign the copy

10:15

sosamendez: wincrud was explicitly stripped from the codebase.

10:15

whether anyone uses it or not i guess depends on how credible you seem to them

10:16

hola amigos :]

10:16

safety isn't guaranteed sosamendez

10:16

doing anything related to keys on a windows machine is baaaaad sosamendez

10:17

hola mod6

10:17

come andan ?

10:18

i wish my spanish were good enough to pun on andan and adonde

10:19

lol

10:19

anyway, powernap time.

10:20

wait first why would i object to qntra gawker whatever

10:21

<mircea_popescu> [09:26] and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" << suppose i'll ask over afternoon coffees

10:25

mircea: how you enjoying argentina

10:25

compared to romania

~ 15 minutes ~

10:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00029628 = 6.8441 BTC [-]

10:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00029582 = 24.1093 BTC [-]

10:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9409 @ 0.00029628 = 2.7877 BTC [+]

11:04

*

mod6 feels like a new man

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00029582 = 18.6662 BTC [-]

11:18

ben_vulpes mod6 you ready?

11:24

yeah!

11:24

sorry was just messing with my openbsd wifi

11:24

should I head down to the lobby?

11:27

aight, im just gonna head down there. c-ya in a bit.

11:28

mod6: yep, heading down there now

11:32

vamanos!

11:32

vamanos!

11:36

Fritzing is a great tool. I love how after building your circuit you can order $5 prototype boards

11:38

hardware hacking is cool

~ 15 minutes ~

11:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114700 @ 0.00029136 = 33.419 BTC [-] {2}

11:53

I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing

12:08

height=327079 vs height=224268

12:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00029523 = 8.1336 BTC [+]

12:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00029524 = 16.4892 BTC [+]

~ 42 minutes ~

12:53

jesus, Slack got a 160mn round at 2.8B valuation

12:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43338 @ 0.0002915 = 12.633 BTC [-] {2}

13:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6118 @ 0.00028914 = 1.769 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

13:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.000296 = 12.7872 BTC [+] {2}

13:29

;;ticker --eur

13:29

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

13:30

;;ticker --currency eur

13:30

Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

13:30

;;ticker --currency EUR

13:30

Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

13:30

;;ticker --currency EUR

13:30

Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

13:30

;;ticker --market bc

13:30

OKCoin BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.405279, Best ask: 222.456895, Bid-ask spread: 0.05162, Last trade: 222.456895, 24 hour volume: 109476.961, 24 hour low: 221.324569, 24 hour high: 230.426728, 24 hour vwap: None

13:31

;;ticker --currency EUR

13:31

Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

13:31

fuck you gribbleh

13:35

https://i.imgur.com/vpszC6u.png

13:35

... ( http://bit.ly/1FSy42T )

13:37

https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/588983995519533056

13:37

We are aware of the issues surrounding today's settlement. Thanks for your patience as we fix the problem. All funds are accounted for.

13:41

https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/589002676446171138

13:41

Update: OKCoin will resume operations as usual later today. Trades made post 4pm Beijing time will be retracted.

13:41

hooray for playmoney

13:56

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.21280975 BTC. Current weight: 52,009.

14:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36820 @ 0.00028914 = 10.6461 BTC [-]

14:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00029901 = 19.645 BTC [+] {2}

~ 36 minutes ~

14:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57460 @ 0.00029093 = 16.7168 BTC [-]

14:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40097 @ 0.00030229 = 12.1209 BTC [+] {4}

14:59

!up rofei

15:08

BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator?

15:09

No idea. Likely one or more impersonators.

15:10

jurov

who? the bolivia one?

15:14

jurov

maybe it's nsa and s.nsa are plying spy games

15:15

Spy vs. Accidental Spy

15:16

kakobrekla

fucking around would require leaving the bed

15:16

jurov

why? escort won't come to the room?

15:18

kakobrekla

thats not around.

15:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70944 @ 0.00030548 = 21.672 BTC [+]

15:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0003103 = 10.6743 BTC [+]

15:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00030443 = 2.679 BTC [-] {2}

15:29

http://www.phrack.com/papers/modern_objc_exploitation.html

15:29

.:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISXu6A )

15:35

http://qntra.net/2015/04/seized-bitcoin-atm-returned/

15:35

Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1NQuJ )

15:41

man phrack has a great header image

~ 30 minutes ~

16:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32480 @ 0.00030368 = 9.8635 BTC [-] {2}

16:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82150 @ 0.0002973 = 24.4232 BTC [-] {2}

16:27

;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it.

16:27

The operation succeeded.

16:40

http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2015/04/14#mutable_1286568 << power rangers lulz

16:40

The Argyle Sweater Comic Strip, April 14, 2015 on GoComics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXcQ1O )

16:45

http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/17/mirceas-hierarchy-of-needs-a-letter/

16:45

Mircea’s Hierarchy of Needs, a letter. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXdLzf )

16:47

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103404 << that qntra commenter eh. lol so he doesn't understand things so i'm wrong "because reasons" and therefore other things and such.

16:47

Logged on 17-04-2015 09:50:11; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O

16:54

that atm article BingoBoingo.. few weeks ago we got a comment bitching about my original article but it was on an article not even relevant, i assumed it was someone using a bot to just seo the guys name or something, (you can see it in the trash)

16:55

Interesting

16:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.0003102 = 5.8938 BTC [+]

16:59

ip is from thailand too, perhaps he hired someone to do pr for him (see all the typos?) seeing his name is linked everywhere with the arrest

17:02

Ah, k so PR spam

17:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4427 @ 0.0003102 = 1.3733 BTC [+]

17:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00029164 = 9.3616 BTC [-]

~ 31 minutes ~

17:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24415 @ 0.00029444 = 7.1888 BTC [+]

~ 17 minutes ~

17:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34101 @ 0.00029919 = 10.2027 BTC [+] {2}

18:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10999 @ 0.0003103 = 3.413 BTC [+]

~ 30 minutes ~

18:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28271 @ 0.0003103 = 8.7725 BTC [+]

18:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120836 @ 0.0003115 = 37.6404 BTC [+]

18:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00031237 = 25.9579 BTC [+] {2}

18:45

"The high-tech spaces we walk through now are fit only for the smiling ghosts of computer visualizations, a purgatory of ‘aspirational but accessible’ restaurants and bars, ‘media-walls’ and ‘public art’ of unremitting dreariness. Where socialists and radicals could once read within the language of explicit engineering signs of redemption or change, the post High-Tech architecture in our cities has no suc

18:45

associations: it may not be historicist, like the postmodern architecture of the neo-liberal turn in the 1980s, but rather its anaesthetized formal language is a perfect complement to the hollowed out shell of social democracy."

18:45

heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it.

18:46

designing and building cities around "ideas" and can only lead to unliveable insanity.

18:46

i should say "centralised ideas" are the point of contention

18:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174700 @ 0.00031322 = 54.7195 BTC [+] {4}

18:47

soviet-harvard delusions will lead to cold and disenchanting cities

18:47

as we see with canberra and new york, for example.

18:58

!up asciilifeform

18:58

!up Citizenfive

19:01

What's up fellas

19:03

https://twitter.com/fnxtx/status/589201935598624770

19:03

“Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA

19:05

;;later tell mircea_popescu ^

19:05

The operation succeeded.

19:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162892 @ 0.00030018 = 48.8969 BTC [-] {2}

19:08

Citizenfive: Not too much. Are you the one who leaked the Drone chart at Rammstein to Greenwald?

19:09

*

BingoBoingo wonders if Citizen works like SPECTRE, sequantial numbering and all

19:13

It's a possibility. Neither denial nor confirmation would accomplish much here.

19:13

not without a gpg

19:15

lol

19:16

There's some important lessons in the DPR case about gpg's CAPS & LIMS in practice

19:17

Citizenfive: such as?

19:18

Cryptographically tying writing to an identity — if only probabilistically, something sadly not often considered either — is a double-edged sword.

19:18

Well, the first is don't let the Fed's get your privates

19:21

Most of the time, I'd prefer to leave open strong possibility that me today is not me tomorrow. But I'm not here to lecture on the merits and foibles of specific cryptosuites. I'll use what I need. :)

19:22

Citizenfive: when you have that you may lose assurance that you're speaking to whom you want

19:22

I see your point though

19:23

different problems, one's deniability and one's privacy

19:26

Citizenfive: Lets be honest, the biggest issue was OpSec

19:27

Yes. The above link from Twitter, if you think about it, is stonger evidence that I am at least the same persona as was using that account earlier today, than anything I could present you with GPG over these channels. And, presumably, if Twitter C5's personality does not change or claim "omg HAX!" in a few hours or days, you can be comfortable that

19:29

whatever I write here was indeed *probably* the same persona. At this very second that is less certain than it will be, from a Bayesian perspective, as time goes on and Twitter C5 behaves normally. Make sense?

19:29

It always is. (OPSEC)

19:29

Citizenfive: insufficent data for meaningful response

19:29

:)

19:29

*answer

19:29

Citizenfive, until you're in the WoT, it doesn't really matter what else you do

19:29

!up Citizenfive

19:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36352 @ 0.00030661 = 11.1459 BTC [+] {2}

19:30

Well what are we here to accomplish, gents? I'm not opposed to your WoT, but that's not why I'm here.

19:31

I think MP wanted to talk to you, but he's busy with the conference probably

19:32

in the meantime you could get a key registered

19:32

Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic.

19:33

!s Citizenfive

19:33

0 results for 'Citizenfive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Citizenfive

19:33

Odd

19:37

I'll reconsider joining your super-secret boy band. Maybe. Depends on MP.

19:37

!b 1

19:37

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NBBPSG.txt )

19:41

;;ticker --market buttstamp

19:41

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.6, Best ask: 223.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 222.63, 24 hour volume: 7974.94113398, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 228.29, 24 hour vwap: 223.914503409

19:43

;;ticker --market buttfinex

19:43

Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.49, Best ask: 222.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 222.5, 24 hour volume: 27097.48973466, 24 hour low: 219.58, 24 hour high: 228.98, 24 hour vwap: None

19:43

Oh wow

19:48

;;ticker --market ButtChina

19:48

BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.79656, Best ask: 222.856278, Bid-ask spread: 0.05972, Last trade: 222.854664, 24 hour volume: 191409.66390000, 24 hour low: 221.39238, 24 hour high: 229.402662, 24 hour vwap: 225.195343576

19:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00029575 = 20.7764 BTC [-] {2}

19:53

https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg

19:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 )

19:58

In reality they only have one dog

20:00

lol, extra points for the stripper name

20:08

!up Citizenfive

20:11

scoopbot dead? http://qntra.net/2015/04/theymos-complies-with-yet-another-subpoena/

20:11

Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt6wmh )

20:13

Out of all the derp that goes on, on bitcointalk, that seems to be completely sane

20:13

Operated by someone in the US, its self-preservation on his part to comply

20:14

If you send messages in cleartext on a forum run in the US, I'm not sure what more can be expected

20:14

(That is not to say that the action is just, just should have been predicted)

20:19

williamdunne, no doubt he's in a difficult situation but with the last one, he wasn't even going to mention anything and had to be convinced to provide additional information to the public if memory serves

20:20

BingoBoingo wrote on it, might have a better recollection of events than i

20:20

the idea that a forum is something which is hosted in one particular place instead of distributed among its members is absurd

20:21

fuck you, entire web

20:21

cazalla: If he didn't comply straight away, it would still end up with them threatening him personally. I would do exactly the same if I was in the US. Best not to mess with the guys with guns

20:21

Then again, I also wouldn't still be in the US

20:22

trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors

20:22

trinque: Has its place, even if not what we need

20:24

williamdunne: why for example does freenode need to be involved in this exchange I'm having with you now?

20:24

am I not able to get packets to you myself?

20:25

williamdunne: Plenty of things law enforcement can use to leverage Theymos, most prominently the GLBSE shennanigans

20:30

BingoBoingo: Indeed, that is my point

20:30

trinque: Convenience, everything on here is completely public anyway so no use in a subpoena.

20:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00031447 = 17.3273 BTC [+]

20:33

williamdunne: of course, I'm asking a more fundamental question about "why the hell still mostly centralized services using HTTP"

20:33

or in this case IRC

20:33

williamdunne: you've probably read over this http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/

20:33

[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yDn5gN )

20:34

I'm looking forward to it

20:37

trinque: Sounds good, although how would that work with dynamic IPs?

20:37

williamdunne: good thread in the comments

20:47

!up citizenfive

20:51

Read over the idea

20:51

Could many of the same goals not be achieved by just integrating GPG into IRC?

20:56

irc isn't written by a member of the WoT

20:57

williamdunne: what's the thought there, that the messages within the IRC protocol would be GPG messages?

20:58

you could probably make something that was sort of like the proposal by cramming all the traffic, both gossip and direct messages through pm

20:58

probably better to design the thing from the ground up eh?

21:00

williamdunne: tangentially related it was rather trivial to make point-to-point chat with gpg, awk and netcat

21:00

danielpbarron: What reason would that matter in particular? All our messages are public anyway. I doubt your OS was written exclusively by a member of the WoT (even if you did compile it yourself)

21:00

williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT

21:00

trinque: Maybe, if it works well then awesome. Will be a great thing. But seems like it could end up more hassle than it is worth

21:01

williamdunne: hassle to whom?

21:01

trinque: Each individual end-user, we'll exclude development efforts

21:02

it should be done at a certain point, not a katamari of features

21:02

if it passes messages between nodes as described, and does that perfectly, that's a fantastic place to stop, then build separate things which make use of that

21:04

trinque: maybe, I might just not be thinking creatively enough

21:04

A properly-done "better IRC" would pretty much fix most objections I have with the current WoT, btw

21:05

But use OTR

21:05

Citizenfive: read the spec?

21:05

otr isn't in the WoT

21:06

Just the RFC. The general spirit of it is sound.

21:06

Citizenfive: my familiarity with OTR is very slim, having only used it in conjunction with jabber. But what does it offer that GPG doesn't?

21:06

it's more user friendlier

21:07

nah not the only thing there, as I understand it, it opts for deniability

21:07

as per earlier thread

21:07

gossipd has similar feature

21:07

indeed

21:08

https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/otr-wpes.pdf

21:08

... ( http://bit.ly/1PZOz5o )

21:08

Citizenfive: thanks, I will read this

21:09

!s ephemeral key

21:09

14 results for 'ephemeral key' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephemeral+key

21:09

Citizenfive: I don't think off-the-record is what's wanted here

21:09

well not first

21:10

PGP & OTR are not mutually exclusive

21:10

mhm

21:11

take the example in the logs above, asciilifeform is using an alternate nick while traveling, and it appears someone decided to spoof as him

21:11

Citizenfive: They would effectively need to be mutually exclusive if deniability is what you're going for in any group chat setting would they not

21:11

well there's a distinction between saying "I am connected to the node I think I am"

21:11

and saying "this message I'm looking at was certainly authored by X"

21:11

I want the former without question

21:11

the latter is a feature one could use or not

21:12

depends on the situation

21:13

Both are very good tools. At present, I see many solutions trying to fit the square peg of PGP into the gaping goatse of "maintaining OPSEC in an adverse environment of well-heeled adversaries". That is, it fits, but a large round peg, perhaps OTR, would allow less... spillage.

21:13

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103663 https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg <<< see quite a few of these here or similar style

21:13

Logged on 17-04-2015 23:53:29; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg

21:13

... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 )

21:13

Citizenfive: it appears one of the goals of the gossipd network is for the topology of the network to be the topology of the WoT

21:14

oops, i meant this http://www.jennytalia.com/wp-content/uploads/Family-Car-Stickers7.jpg

21:14

... ( http://bit.ly/1PZPin7 )

21:14

The visual breaks down, but I'm amenable to a solution that uses both pegs in some way.

21:15

must be in WoT -- until then, generate your own temporary keys for "off the record" communication

21:15

danielpbarron: there is a place for non-WoT authenticated communication

21:15

fuck's sake, the WoT is fine, lol; it too is a tool

21:16

take the namesake of this nick ^

21:16

like a damn broken record >.<

21:17

Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it.

↖ ↖

21:17

Citizenfive: define properly

21:17

!up Citizenfive

21:17

the users who do know how to use it "properly" are the only users worth dealing with

21:18

yes yes, WoT is good, let her speak

21:18

MP appears to know how, in his description of how to use it he explains what it is and isn't

21:18

Citizenfive: I'm asking for my own information, not as part of an implicit debate

21:20

Without searching, if he tells me [user X] also uses it properly, I would probably trust that. All subject to the extent that I trust MP's intentions and motivations, which is sorta the point of a WoT

21:20

probably referring to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which I've read

21:20

What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un )

21:20

was just asking your interpretation

21:20

anyhow yes, a tool

21:20

trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

21:20

I have no objection to ^

21:21

what's the objection then? that not enough net effect yet?

21:23

danielpbarron: say, oh I don't know, I'm deep within the NSA... and I want to leak some documents

21:23

lol

21:24

why in hell would I communicate with you using something that requires I create a (for all reasonable measures) permanent identity

21:24

the identity doesn't have to be tied to a slave name

21:25

true enough, and one might want to know later he's dealing with the same citizenfour as last time

21:25

I guess that, and more critically, amoung its users, I see too much overreliance on it (which is to say, people who don't fully grip the CAPS&LIMS of it as a tool)

21:25

however in the process of doing said leaking, and especially in the process of *establishing* trust one may want deniable messaging

21:25

gossipd as I understand it readily supports that

21:25

*will support

21:26

you connect to some node that's the all-welcoming orifice and it forwards it on

21:26

and the chain of connections from that point onward is known

21:26

But we'll get there. That's the difficulty with anything. The WoT automates some rep stuff, but doesn't automate KNOWING what really is and isn't automated, or something like that

21:26

I'm not prepared to type enough to really explain my thinking at the moment

21:27

the WoT isn't automated

21:28

*

trinque dives back into meatspace work

21:31

It automates collecting and remembering-correctly certain things. These actions were previously done in one's own head, usually with less fidelity and in ways that required more effort or energy or whatever. Idk, I call it automation, but it doesn't really matter.

21:31

https://xkcd.com/1322/

21:31

xkcd: Winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQmw6M )

21:33

The above is Feynman's favorite XKCD, and whoever can tell me why becomes my favorite asseteer

21:34

Citizenfive: reminds me a bit of the vid where he discusses magnetism

21:36

nvm this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k

21:36

Feynman: Knowing versus Understanding - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnDDJ )

21:37

the magnetism one came to mind because he goes from a superficial understanding of the thing to a deeper and deeper description, ultimately saying "we have no idea"

21:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 << must've been the idiots guide to the concept

21:37

Richard Feynman Magnets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnRKY )

21:40

ahh

21:40

hello chan!

21:40

mircea_popescu: good evening

21:40

mircea_popescu: Good morning

21:41

good gooding.

21:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103531 << heh that it is.

21:44

Logged on 17-04-2015 15:38:26; Chillum: hardware hacking is cool

21:44

"Slack brings all your communication together in one place. It's real-time messaging, archiving and search for modern teams."

21:44

hey, sounds like 3bn.

21:46

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103568 << the official word is that the behaviour couldnb't be reproduced (ben tried amongothers) and prolly alf did some strange locally.

21:46

Logged on 17-04-2015 19:09:10; BingoBoingo: No idea. Likely one or more impersonators.

21:46

Trinique wins, with bonus points. I usually use the bit about knowing the name of a bird.

21:47

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103574 << you could do that thing where you peel your thing and just trace around her inner labia until you blow.

21:47

Logged on 17-04-2015 19:18:32; kakobrekla: thats not around.

21:49

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103608 << not bad.

21:49

Logged on 17-04-2015 22:45:24; pete_dushenski: heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it.

21:49

!up Citizenfive

21:49

hey, you're the twitter chick ?

21:52

definitely reads like her

21:52

;;rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech.

21:52

Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

21:52

heh

21:52

!rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech.

21:52

Citizenfive is not registered in WoT.

21:52

!h

21:52

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

21:53

Citizenfive ^

21:53

For politeness and the convenience of the asseteers, I will register if I stick around.

21:53

aite.

21:53

Apologies for now.

21:54

Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment to go with it.

21:54

tsk, let ppls go at their own pace.

21:54

Citizenfive: Any backstory to the 'twitter' association?

21:54

digital is too firehose-y as it is.

21:54

mircea_popescu: I was just pointing out that its quite rare, they can go at their own pace;)

21:55

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103648 << actually, nothing specific. intel went "hey, here's one that's not stupid". doesn't happen that often.

21:55

Logged on 17-04-2015 23:32:14; Citizenfive: Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic.

21:55

I will consider it the compliment that it is, in this "country", and am grateful for it.

21:55

i thought it was a cult

21:56

williamdunne: Association?

21:56

I thought it was a sovereign?

21:56

who isn't these days.

21:56

heck, portland levies "art taxes" nao.

21:56

Citizenfive: "you're the twitter chick ?" - I'm assuming this was addressed at you

21:57

The US is a cult. Most countries are. :)

21:58

in other news, these guys actually beat the puerto madero dock. incredible walkers.

21:58

we actually ran out of dock, five miles later.

21:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00031685 = 6.3687 BTC [+]

21:58

Yes. → https://twitter.com/fnxTX is me. Or so I have claimed, earlier in the thread.

21:58

JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQsTHp )

21:59

(thread → channel)

22:00

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103677 << it's entirely a legalistic gimmick. somehow court manages to convince itself it's too good to just go read the forum, must order someone to copy it down for it. sorta like ottoman turks.

22:00

Logged on 18-04-2015 00:21:09; trinque: fuck you, entire web

22:01

Citizenfive: So how was it that you found #b-a?

22:01

cuz dpb invited her over i'd bet.

22:02

mircea_popescu: must order someone to copy it down for it << in 3 ring binders with those fancy tab-stickers

22:03

williamdunne: I've known of it and lurked periodically over the years. This marks the second time MP has personally invited me, and it'd be rude to not see why, at the least.

22:03

The question is why the second time; my guess is via this thread → https://twitter.com/AlekseiV/status/586780660553031680

22:03

this is awful http://t.co/R8WBYWGxof

22:04

Which means MP, no longer on Twitter, still watches it (or someone noticed)

22:04

Which is smart

22:04

Citizenfive oh is it ? which was the 1st ?

22:05

Back when you were still on Twitter, several moons ago

22:05

fancy that.

22:06

Citizenfive: Welcome anyhow

22:07

Grazie

22:16

mircea_popescu: small world. Extremely so, though I guess bell curves and the size of the developed physical world explain most of it.

22:16

six degrees is more like two

22:17

this is concerning, because it has two possible explanations. one being that my intel sucks, the other being that the us is running out of people.

22:17

i can specifically measure the former.

22:17

as oft said here, the situation is so soviet it bleeds.

22:18

mircea_popescu: People as if in people worth listening to, or people as if in humans?

22:19

well neither exactly. people as in people capable to listen to themselves.

22:22

!up Citizenfive

22:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00031554 = 6.497 BTC [-]

22:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58839 @ 0.0003169 = 18.6461 BTC [+] {2}

22:30

I believe there are few good English-speaking minds; those countries do too thorough a job of taking children with potential and delivering batteries (as in, the Matrix sort) into adulthood. There are few Ender Wiggin minds left by the age of 18.

22:31

It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing.

22:31

;;google ender wiggin

22:31

Ender Wiggin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender_Wiggin>; Andrew Wiggin - Orson Scott Card Wiki: <http://ansible.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew_Wiggin>; How Much Is Ender Wiggin Worth? - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/07/31/how-much-is-ender-wiggin-worth/>

22:31

dude just how influential WAs that book.

22:31

Anyway I might as well register a key so you can quit voicing me manually.

22:32

Not influential enough. But then everyone thinks Hunger Games is omg so relevant!

22:32

Authors and sci-fi folks have been screaming this shit for years

22:33

Citizenfive: I'm probably one of the younger people here, and from my experience the biggest complaints are that any sort of discourse from rhetoric is largely discouraged, and you are given almost no freedom as to move outside the syllabus.

22:33

Those who notice the re-runs and recycled plots eventually wind up here, and a few other places where such minds go

22:34

Citizenfive: IIRC the hunger-games author though more democracy was the answer

22:34

like ?

22:34

Because the internet lets all minds who question these things find these places, QED (probably) there are fewer minds than we'd like

22:34

williamdunne well, obviously it is the answer, just, not to any question worth asking.

22:35

"Over drinks last night, one of the beautiful young ladies in attendance brought up the question of free will with me. " << eh petey...

22:35

this guy is like forever young.

22:36

DEMOCRACY isn't actually a thing. Not in a meaningful sense. Hence every country is a democracy. A well-architected democratic republic has some neat features, for example. But democracy is kinda like an adjective.

22:37

eh, democracy is a thing, even if derpy iliterate muricans never bother to learn what the words mean. it's not gonna change what it is just because a bunch of people have nfi.

22:37

It is useful in describing something. Like the word modern. Modern car. Modern house. Modern, by itself, may or may not be useful. Modern art?

22:37

we could say that the meaning of democracy is fundamentally undemocratic.

22:38

Citizenfive: I completely agree; but I will assume they were going with the definition of diluting power to all, something along the lines of direct democracy

22:38

modern art is quite meaningful, yes. ever read the "what is art" thing ?

22:39

williamdunne: See! DIRECT democracy. Also an actual thing, and a meaningful phrase. "Democracy" in REAL english just means "good" or something.

22:39

"real" english just means democratic english, which is not english.

22:39

lol

22:39

english is THE KING'S english.

22:40

meanwhile in orc speak, everything means the same and is spelled "urgh"

22:40

anyway I don't want to get lost into semantics; I think most here understand whatever system of governance the US has, it manages to masquerade as a democracy, and isn't a good system. Whatever that says about the word is less important to me.

22:41

well you're right in that it would try and to thew same degree succeed to masquerade as anything else, including a teosophy.

22:41

any play's equally successful if played out for the goats.

22:41

Citizenfive: Any system that provides people with the ability to voice and attempt to enact opinions they are not qualified to have is a bad idea in my books. The crowd has no wisdom, select actors with value behind them do.

22:43

which value you can only evaluate in a system that's actually open to idiots.

22:43

Right. And so long as people accept that God wrote the Bible because the Bible says so, or a democracy is good because a "democracy" says so, will miss questioning what any of those things ARE.

22:43

what do you mean ARE.

22:43

literally or as a joke ref to Bill Clinton re: "IS"

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merely the fact that this question can be asked would seem to pull the rug from under yer feet eh.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103704 << definitely.

22:44

Logged on 18-04-2015 01:00:47; trinque: williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT

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mircea_popescu: My particular complaint is that while we can evaluate who has more value in this particular system, the people with value's opinions have no more weight in process than those without. Hence a large number of welfare whores/elderly having a lot of influence

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williamdunne anyway, to do some positive work : democracy is the notion that what people think matters. the exact opposite of alf's favourite, "the cold equations" (which'd describe a republic).

22:46

there's really no alternative : either one or the other. republics fail because not enough spartans, democracies are all one because idiots are all one. cccp was a democracy too.

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(literally)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00031554 = 18.8535 BTC [-]

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What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. And as a word, democracy seems to have too many contradictory definitions to be especially useful as a descriptor. If US = democracy, well, that's not good. If Switzerland = democracy, that's a bit better, though the consensus is that beast is a "DIRECT democracy".

22:48

Would lack of governance not be the alternative? (or self-governance if that wording floats your boat).

22:48

Citizenfive can you distinguish between the "words don't matter" position and (mutatis mutandins), the "BUT it is called the Worldwide Web so there really is NO chance of any site being 100% secure" ?

22:48

williamdunne suppose you have a five year old kid on your knees and she asks what happens if there's nothing in a box. "well... there'd be air" "no, not even air"

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"so then a vacuum" "no, not even vacuum"

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Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit

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nigga... say wut ?! what "lack of governance" wonder be this, of the box so empty it doesn't even contain a vacuum ?

22:49

The trick is how to discuss democracy, then, when everyone has their own idea of what it means. Or any topic. I've found most arguments can be traced to the arguers somewhere having slightly different internal definitions for something.

22:49

trinque same.

22:50

Citizenfive the next trick to find is that you can get people quite bothered by carefully using their contributions to words.

22:50

also known as "the shit between their eyes"

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mircea_popescu: Well, depends how we want to define governance

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is it up to us ?

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yes, governance by us is best governance. agreed.

22:50

now convince her.

22:51

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103712 << why would you wish to be anonymous ? other than "because i've already lost the war".

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Logged on 18-04-2015 01:05:03; Citizenfive: But use OTR

22:51

if you've already lost the war, why are you derping with axes and shit.

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mircea_popescu: I wonder what was said internally at the SEC about your offer to govern the world of BTC assets?

22:53

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103751 << by this token, one should not have sex.

22:53

Logged on 18-04-2015 01:17:25; Citizenfive: Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it.

22:53

!up Citizenfive

22:53

Basically, all can be sorted out via Socratic roundtables — everyone looking to, fundamentally, prove themselves WRONG, rather than to prove themselves RIGHT. Eventually the people at the table find and exorcise their internal inconsistencies, and arrive together at Reality.

22:54

what are you, 19 ?

22:54

Do you believe in an objective reality, or is it subjective?

22:54

this is a rehash of "socialism will come once people are generous", which was a rehash of "christ will come once people are good".

22:55

you can't seriously contemplate a system so easy t oattack. i will attack it.

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just because i do not wish to be part of something this trivial to attack, nor do i see merit in its continued existence.

22:55

http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/

22:55

The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITZ5Jk )

22:55

what, again ?!

22:55

That'd be interesting, as I don't believe either of those.

22:56

mircea_popescu: Related to attacking systems

22:56

What do you say, Mircea? Are you a narcissist? "Narcissist" means egotistical, self-focused, and vain.

22:56

holy derp on a stick.

22:56

word means any of [word,word,word] ring.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00031731 = 10.5982 BTC [+] {2}

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mircea_popescu: Well?! What do you say

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mircea_popescu: This is trial by a jury of your peers in the WoT

22:58

basically, this is not different from shanonizer (seen commonly in spam)

22:58

dude i have no idea.

22:59

i was kinda rooting for simpleminded psychopath, myself.

22:59

I seem to have improperly conveyed the degree of importance I place on this "word" stuff. It's not particularly important; don't worry about it.

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Citizenfive i was just discussing a snipped from the thing he linked

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mircea_popescu: Narcissistic still fits most descriptions of psychopathy, so you may still achieve your dreams

23:02

eh in the sense of "i think i might have been raped" fits most modern descriptions of rape.

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True, seems like a lack of care for many could be easily misinterpreted as narcissism

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anyway, what is it ?

23:07

What is?

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narcisism. didn't you have a question ?

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anyway, more about this tomorro i guess, it's been a long day. tada.

23:08

Narcissist != someone with DSM's definition of NPD

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It was based off of the Qntra comment, although apparently the trial is based upon these characteristics: >> What do you say, Mircea? Are you a narcissist? "Narcissist" means egotistical, self-focused, and vain.

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Night

23:20

!up Citizenfive

~ 15 minutes ~

23:36

whoa a citizenfive

23:37

https://twitter.com/fnxTX

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JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYdmwn )

23:37

whoa a citizenfive

23:37

Also Citizenfive: Where are you CTO?

23:37

buenos tardes

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40061 @ 0.00031786 = 12.7338 BTC [+] {2}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103585 << your opsec, your skin

23:39

Logged on 17-04-2015 20:27:29; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it.

23:41

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103567 << best guess is wifi hotspot across street and wacky irc client config. nevertheless...

23:41

Logged on 17-04-2015 19:08:40; trinque: BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator?

23:44

eyyy pete how's that wedding?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103680 << mopping?

23:49

Logged on 18-04-2015 00:22:11; williamdunne: trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors

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ben_vulpes: That would be the one

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21854 @ 0.00032125 = 7.0206 BTC [+]

23:51

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103722 << have we not covered this? if one desires 'forward secrecy', just...create an ephemeral key.

23:51

Logged on 18-04-2015 01:08:08; Citizenfive: https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/otr-wpes.pdf

23:51

!up Citizenfive

23:51

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103652 << oweeeee

23:51

Logged on 17-04-2015 23:37:04; Citizenfive: I'll reconsider joining your super-secret boy band. Maybe. Depends on MP.

23:56

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103821 << pff and who are you again?

23:56

Logged on 18-04-2015 01:54:00; williamdunne: Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment to go with it.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103841 << you had it the first time

23:57

Logged on 18-04-2015 01:59:03; Citizenfive: (thread → channel)

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103868 << you hear that ascii_lander??

23:58

Logged on 18-04-2015 02:31:01; Citizenfive: It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing.

23:58

pff and who are you again? << not clear who addressed at

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