00:01 |
hanbot |
lessee! |
00:03 |
hanbot |
lol installing 6 of 327, mayhap i missed a setup step. tyvm nubbins'. |
00:07 |
nubbins` |
apparently gentoo works a lot better when all your packages are up to date. this is about where my advice ends, i've been using it for a whole three days now ;p |
00:11 |
* |
hanbot is used to spraying updates with fire&loathing, good to know |
00:17 |
* |
nubbins` sighs, attempts 3rd cross-toolchain build of the day |
00:17 |
nubbins` |
now with more options enabled (tm) |
00:29 |
trinque |
hanbot: paste fart emitted from emerge |
00:29 |
trinque |
er nvm |
00:30 |
trinque |
looks like it's working |
00:33 |
hanbot |
well it's certainly toiling. it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining meanwhile. |
00:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!s faust |
00:38 |
assbot |
1 results for 'faust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=faust |
00:41 |
trinque |
among friends of mine, we refer to gentoo as "gentoo quest" and for good reason |
00:41 |
trinque |
not so much an OS as a linux RPG |
00:41 |
trinque |
teaches you a lot |
00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: Ever play with pre-v10 slowaris? |
00:43 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: not at all; fun in the same ways? |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: Best contrast I can find to OpenBSD. Gentoo is pure (theoretical)Linus-linux. Slowaris and OpenBSD are both... different |
00:47 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: this I think is the saddest thing about fuck-ups like systemd, "cram everything into one program" is not novel. I wouldn't mind trying unix-like systems which *actually* tried something (novelly) different |
00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: Seriously. Busybox is boring. Complete dominion over memory functions as Obsd does, cool |
00:52 |
asciilifeform |
hanbot: no, they can't be ignored |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
<hanbot> ... it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining << half the addiction potential of gentoo right there |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
like watching a garden grow, if you could do so in real time |
00:54 |
asciilifeform |
<BingoBoingo> ... Busybox is boring. << it wasn't built to be interesting, but to take up the least space possible while still doing, approximately, the job. |
00:55 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades |
00:55 |
asciilifeform |
essentially cut-down versions of all the customary userland utils but rolled into one binary, which then gets called from tiny scripts each of which pretends to be, e.g., 'top' or 'ls' |
00:55 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it makes for a largely usable box. boot up 'turdel', try it. |
00:56 |
* |
BingoBoingo is short on undedicated boxes of purpose and needs to start renting VPS's or hope BTC host starts |
00:56 |
asciilifeform |
did you ever even use all the possible flags for 'less' anyway. |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I suck at both more and less |
00:57 |
trinque |
the distinction between separate programs and well-separated functions isn't a huge one |
00:57 |
trinque |
busybox fucks up not by "doing all the things" but by intertangling all the things |
00:57 |
trinque |
*could fuck up |
00:57 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory classic: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971 |
00:57 |
assbot |
Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yygoqH ) |
00:58 |
trinque |
so as long as the commands it's providing aren't insanely tangled, no big deal |
00:58 |
asciilifeform |
'busybox' is closer to the smaller incarnations |
00:58 |
trinque |
I think some might look at it and compare it to the systemd situation |
00:58 |
trinque |
where one codebase is providing a ton of functionality |
00:58 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: the only possible point of comparison is the swiss army knife aspect |
00:58 |
trinque |
yep, totally appropriate tool in an appropriate situation |
00:58 |
asciilifeform |
but these aren't processes crammed into one box |
00:59 |
asciilifeform |
these are fucking utils |
00:59 |
asciilifeform |
that run in shots |
00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Alpine Linux looks interesting, but... before I return to linux I want to spend more time in weirdix full time |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: thing is, if you understand how to use 'buildroot' you no longer need distros |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
(though i do like 'portage' more than hand-waltzing every proggy. if only marginally.) |
01:01 |
asciilifeform |
who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? |
01:01 |
asciilifeform |
asks quite a few questions for a random fella. |
01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? << Vexual, especially coherent tonight |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: how you know? did he sign ? |
01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: PM behavior pattern. Not strongest authentication, kinda suspicious, but psych profile almost checks |
01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ebriusinanis |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) |
01:04 |
ebriusinanis |
its my katin name |
01:04 |
ebriusinanis |
*latin |
01:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) << I'm not sure moiety isn't undead and normant. |
01:05 |
ebriusinanis |
pankakke would like these logs |
01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
pankakke is weird. |
01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
pankakke knows what his keys are worth and that is a lot |
01:07 |
ebriusinanis |
fail rages him |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: only worth, hypothetically, in the hands of a skilled operative |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
who could convincingly (let's dream) pretend to be a 'prodigal son' |
01:08 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: The problem with pankakke keys is faking pankakke would be expensive |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
cheaper if you can pay the original to do it |
01:11 |
BingoBoingo |
So HBO scientology doc, not so bad. Jason Beghe's parts are the best. |
01:23 |
BingoBoingo |
!up felipelalli |
01:29 |
Chillum |
This reminds me of being a kid: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/PRODOS402_catalog.png |
01:29 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ahq6sd ) |
01:30 |
felipelalli |
!gettrust asteric |
01:30 |
assbot |
asteric is not registered in WoT. |
01:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. |
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01:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Because I had to hire TWO law firms, one for the criminal case and another one for the civil forfeiture case, so far, defending myself against the charge of not having a license in order to trade on localbitcoins has cost me almost $200,000. This is a large chunk of our retirement fund and our daughters college fund. This does not count the property (Bitcoins, cash, etc.) I may have to forfeit in civil forfeiture." |
01:40 |
mircea_popescu |
born in the usa... he's fucked... born in the usa... |
01:40 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ebriusinanis |
01:41 |
mircea_popescu |
hopefully he gets his guts together and flies another plane into another usg office. |
01:41 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much the only avenue remaining for elder us folk. |
01:44 |
BingoBoingo |
For the truly old there's still caverject and official's daughters |
01:49 |
felipelalli |
if this is true, this is actually sad. :/ |
01:50 |
BingoBoingo |
felipelalli: I dunno caverject contains some serious trade offs in its method of administration |
01:51 |
ebriusinanis |
https://vimeo.com/62839747 london calling |
01:51 |
assbot |
Cadbury Gorilla Drummer Drums To Phil Collins on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahteUR ) |
01:56 |
cazalla |
will deedbot qntra march once it comes back otherwise http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/ |
01:56 |
assbot |
Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahtP99 ) |
01:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87300 @ 0.00024739 = 21.5971 BTC [-] |
01:59 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/ |
02:05 |
ebriusinanis |
poso eh good luck with thqat shit |
02:08 |
ebriusinanis |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyTxWvxYr4 |
02:08 |
assbot |
Who the Cap Fit - BOB MARLEY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahvyuW ) |
02:12 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo lmao antonoderp and matonis going to aussie striker bitbillions "convention" !? |
02:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
02:13 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: As far as I know so far |
02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
top kek. |
02:14 |
hanbot |
asciilifeform> hanbot: no, they can't be ignored << ah okay. noted! |
02:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. |
02:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe |
02:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081991 << theres lots and lots and lots of wars going on in the rogue state. |
02:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 02:50:05; BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list |
02:25 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I can't even keep the local ones straight |
02:27 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/spence-jackson-note-said-he-couldn-t-face-unemployment-again/article_2f8eb775-740b-55cb-9630-273747853f0c.html << More Schweich fallout. His closes assistant "offed himself" nao |
02:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HiqVLA ) |
02:30 |
trinque |
cazalla: ^ dunno why it's dying, so I'm just going to stick it on a 24hr cron restart for now |
02:30 |
trinque |
!up deedbot- |
02:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Also... The NY jews that raised Fisher lost US chess to St Louis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/chess-championships-take-cue-from-televised-poker-move-to-live/article_b512b3a8-0122-5d26-9853-80d6597e5302.html |
02:31 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Hir7KS ) |
02:33 |
cazalla |
deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88 |
02:33 |
assbot |
dpaste: 3EAJT88 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HirfK8 ) |
02:33 |
trinque |
cazalla: give it the txt version; that's an html page |
02:34 |
trinque |
deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt |
02:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Hirhlh ) |
02:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00024854 = 23.6362 BTC [+] |
02:34 |
trinque |
wake up ya bastard |
02:36 |
trinque |
deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt |
02:36 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HirmWa ) |
02:36 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
02:37 |
trinque |
cazalla: there ya go; had to kick it from both sides |
02:49 |
BingoBoingo |
;;seen brendafdez |
02:49 |
gribble |
brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. |
02:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00024854 = 5.2897 BTC [+] |
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04:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00024786 = 26.8185 BTC [-] {3} |
04:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00025027 = 6.4945 BTC [+] |
05:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01467997 = 1.468 BTC [+] |
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05:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00024732 = 18.0544 BTC [-] |
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06:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92698 @ 0.00024968 = 23.1448 BTC [+] {2} |
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06:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00025027 = 4.0293 BTC [+] |
06:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00024732 = 14.9876 BTC [-] |
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07:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96287 @ 0.00024716 = 23.7983 BTC [-] {2} |
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07:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00025058 = 4.2599 BTC [+] {2} |
07:46 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. <<< they did, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page |
07:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe |
07:46 |
assbot |
Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1X8nu ) |
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08:16 |
fluffypony |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/311gfc/in_a_plea_bargain_former_dea_agent_agrees_to/ |
08:16 |
assbot |
In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 ) |
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08:16 |
chetty |
I'd like to ask a favor of someone coming to conf. PM me pls |
08:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00025061 = 5.3129 BTC [+] |
08:25 |
nubbins` |
fluffypony you had me for a sec |
08:26 |
fluffypony |
:) |
08:31 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/keurig-and-its-competitors-seek-guilt-free-ways-to-dispose-of-coffee-pods-1.3016753 |
08:31 |
assbot |
Keurig and its competitors seek guilt-free ways to dispose of coffee pods - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7kve ) |
08:32 |
nubbins` |
protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows |
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08:34 |
nubbins` |
dem 3 Rs not being followed |
08:34 |
nubbins` |
!up The20YearIRCloud |
08:34 |
The20YearIRCloud |
howdy |
08:37 |
The20YearIRCloud |
nubbins`: |
08:39 |
nubbins` |
hi |
08:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Need anything? |
08:45 |
nubbins` |
just a backrub |
08:45 |
nubbins` |
oh and i'm bringing a civil suit against you for those posters |
08:46 |
nubbins` |
LEL APRIL FOOL'S |
08:49 |
The20YearIRCloud |
heh |
08:49 |
The20YearIRCloud |
We just did a april fools on our FB page about buying a property and removing the houses so we can put down hotels |
08:53 |
danielpbarron |
height=308023 vs height=219293 |
08:56 |
nubbins` |
is the latter a 5400? |
08:56 |
nubbins` |
or 72 |
08:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
? |
08:58 |
nubbins` |
that was for danielpbarron |
08:59 |
danielpbarron |
54 |
08:59 |
nubbins` |
i feel like that one was at 200k around a week ago :p |
08:59 |
danielpbarron |
it was |
08:59 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
08:59 |
danielpbarron |
it's super slow |
09:00 |
danielpbarron |
but i believe it can stay in sync once caught up |
09:00 |
nubbins` |
yeah |
09:00 |
nubbins` |
my laptop's got a 5400 as well, paused downloading blocks while i get this cross-toolchain unfucked |
09:00 |
nubbins` |
got an ssd on the way |
09:00 |
danielpbarron |
how long does your laptop take to sync? |
09:01 |
danielpbarron |
or has it ever? |
09:01 |
nubbins` |
hasn't fully yet |
09:02 |
nubbins` |
i had a power failure one day that set me back a bit |
09:02 |
* |
nubbins` groans |
09:02 |
nubbins` |
i literally cannot get boost built with this toolchain |
09:03 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Did you need anything from me nubbins` ? |
09:03 |
nubbins` |
just that back rub |
09:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
ah ok |
09:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i'll send you a certificate in the mail at some point |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
phew, got that in just under the wire |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
okay, the boost compile was throwing errors around some of the python stuff, but it's still going |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform |
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09:27 |
mike_c |
here i am reading the logs thinking "april's fools is so dumb, who falls for this crap.. ZOMG 700,000 btc?!?". |
09:27 |
mike_c |
i will now smack myself in the face for 30 minutes. |
09:29 |
nubbins` |
heh |
09:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79395 @ 0.00024962 = 19.8186 BTC [-] |
09:30 |
jurov |
hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction |
09:32 |
mike_c |
aw fuck me, i got buterin in the logs? that feels dirty. |
09:34 |
nubbins` |
f5 bro |
09:34 |
jurov |
stfu OgNasty |
09:34 |
nubbins` |
if anyone's wondering about pogotronics, i'm on my ~6th buildroot cross-toolchain compile |
09:34 |
mike_c |
ognasty, ok, i can live with that. kakobrekla: for the record, i'm laughing :) good one. |
09:35 |
nubbins` |
this may be the last one before i just try crosstools-ng |
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10:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00025061 = 1.5663 BTC [+] |
10:08 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.qntr |
10:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024802 / 0.00033 (45259 shares, 11.23 BTC) |
10:08 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
10:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024709 / 0.0002563 / 0.00026972 (5248239 shares, 1,345.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00025408 / 0.00028207 (37726525 shares, 9,585.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00030009 / 0.0004493 (98019397 shares, 29,414.85 BTC) |
10:17 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 131.96184834 BTC. Current weight: 74,938. |
10:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170094 @ 0.00024878 = 42.316 BTC [-] {2} |
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10:55 |
jurov |
https://www.gentoo.org/ lol what a makeover. they can leave it permanent |
10:55 |
assbot |
Welcome – Gentoo Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhvEwW ) |
10:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51639 @ 0.00024766 = 12.7889 BTC [-] |
10:58 |
jurov |
ahahaha © 1970–1981 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. |
10:59 |
trinque |
"more inclusive" lol |
10:59 |
Chillum |
lol@gentoo |
11:01 |
jurov |
it gets deeper: click Games Team, Multimedia Team,.. |
11:02 |
Chillum |
bah, my computer is not fast enough for pong |
11:02 |
Chillum |
they should make it more inclusive |
11:03 |
Chillum |
lol I remember drive music! |
11:03 |
Chillum |
I could only play 2 drive songs though |
11:16 |
danielpbarron |
!up qntranet |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
jurov i just noticed that the february qntra disbursement didn't end up in my coinbr acct |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/#more-2672 << |
11:26 |
assbot |
Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhAWIP ) |
11:27 |
jurov |
oh, did you ask for it? |
11:27 |
jurov |
to be done every month, i mean |
11:28 |
jurov |
my records show it was done only once |
11:28 |
pete_dushenski |
hm yes, i'm only seeing that first month's as well |
11:29 |
pete_dushenski |
i suppose this is where i formally ask for all my s.qntr shares to be transferred |
11:29 |
pete_dushenski |
:) |
11:30 |
jurov |
best would be to sign a statement asking for it to be done every month |
11:30 |
jurov |
as other people did |
11:30 |
pete_dushenski |
okie dokie. will do |
11:43 |
pete_dushenski |
https://vimeo.com/123798651 << one for BingoBoingo |
11:43 |
assbot |
Bitcoin diceware on a TI-89 graphing calculator on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhDQ09 ) |
11:47 |
pete_dushenski |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt |
11:47 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEvyx ) |
11:48 |
trinque |
!up deedbot- |
11:48 |
trinque |
pete_dushenski: it probably took, but try again |
11:48 |
pete_dushenski |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt |
11:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEI4R ) |
11:48 |
deedbot- |
imported: E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD |
11:49 |
pete_dushenski |
win |
11:49 |
ben_vulpes |
spamgun bothering anyone else recently? |
11:53 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: email? |
11:58 |
pete_dushenski |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3XKY6RW.txt |
11:58 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FhGl2s ) |
11:58 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
11:58 |
pete_dushenski |
^jurov |
12:02 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: yup. |
12:03 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: yeah, silly amounts of spam over here too |
12:03 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: are you familiar with the story of ninjashogun aka robert viragh? |
12:04 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY79JCfhjw << hehe derpbama is a talkshow host now. |
12:04 |
assbot |
A Conversation with President Obama and The Wire Creator David Simon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhHgjA ) |
12:05 |
pete_dushenski |
already warming up for life post-2016 and the endless tours of conferences and speaking engagements |
12:05 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: not specifically, logs suggest he's a scammer, loudmouth, etc |
12:06 |
nubbins` |
i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business |
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12:07 |
pete_dushenski |
david simon clearly wondering to himself "why did i agree to let this guy grandstand about things he doesn't know about?" |
12:07 |
pete_dushenski |
"my god he's boring" |
12:08 |
hanbot |
jurov:hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction << the what now? |
12:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00025061 = 25.0109 BTC [+] {2} |
12:10 |
pete_dushenski |
!s auction |
12:10 |
assbot |
358 results for 'auction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=auction |
12:11 |
pete_dushenski |
hm try this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990106.0 |
12:11 |
assbot |
BTCT.CO (BTC Trading Corp) Server with Code (also ran litecoinglobal.com) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhImf7 ) |
12:11 |
pete_dushenski |
^"very successful exchange" for sale |
12:11 |
jurov |
yes, make an april joke mpex is interested |
12:11 |
pete_dushenski |
yours for the low low price of $100k |
12:12 |
pete_dushenski |
heh |
12:12 |
jurov |
pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody? |
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12:13 |
pete_dushenski |
'custody' = 'holding' |
12:13 |
pete_dushenski |
so yes, please |
12:14 |
pete_dushenski |
unless you mean sometime other than 'transfer to pete_d's coinbr account' when you say 'custody' |
12:14 |
pete_dushenski |
something* |
12:15 |
pete_dushenski |
shloop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/01/the-internet-is-a-playground/ |
12:15 |
assbot |
The Internet is a playground. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhIZW8 ) |
12:15 |
jurov |
i undersand what you mean, but it's ambiguous |
12:16 |
jurov |
cuz the srares alread y are on coinbr, just not yet claimed |
12:16 |
ben_vulpes |
pete_dushenski: the 25' steel twirly slide i once clambered upon the outside of as a child has been replaced by a 5' doofy plastic thing |
12:16 |
ben_vulpes |
also didn't the log thing happen last year as well? |
12:18 |
trinque |
pete_dushenski: yer thing's up on deedbot.org as of the last block |
12:19 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=1-04-2014#596446 << 'twas a scrambling last year |
12:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2014 02:27:44; mike_c: omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic. |
12:19 |
ben_vulpes |
oh funny - assbot gets the right handle |
12:19 |
pete_dushenski |
jurov: well i'm glad you understand :) |
12:20 |
pete_dushenski |
trinque: first deedbot deed for pd in the record books! |
12:20 |
mike_c |
ben_vulpes: yes, he is committed. |
12:20 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: same... the tallest structure is now maybe half what it was 20 years ago |
12:20 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: last year's log hurt my head something fierce! |
12:21 |
pete_dushenski |
i genuinely thought that everyone in here was scrambling their words in some kind of pattern, eg 5-3-4-1-2 but i couldn't crack the code |
12:22 |
jurov |
lolwut |
12:22 |
hanbot |
"I am barred by the SEC settlement from doing anything securities related for two years anyway." oh help me rhonda |
12:26 |
pete_dushenski |
"GoDaddy shares opened at $26.15, 31% above its initial public offering price." << wait, why the fuck are they going public in the first place ? |
12:27 |
mike_c |
same reason as everyone else? |
12:28 |
pete_dushenski |
ya, kinda rhetorical i guess |
12:28 |
mike_c |
they got bought out by PE that wants its money. |
12:28 |
pete_dushenski |
speaking of pe, the ontario teacher's pension fund continues to kill it |
12:29 |
pete_dushenski |
they saw 22% growth in the pe holdings in 2014 |
12:29 |
pete_dushenski |
ya never know, mebbe those teachers won't starve |
12:32 |
pete_dushenski |
!up bitstein |
12:32 |
pete_dushenski |
howdy bitstein |
12:33 |
bitstein |
hey hey hey |
12:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00025091 = 10.1869 BTC [+] {2} |
12:34 |
pete_dushenski |
so about that post-twitter life... |
12:34 |
bitstein |
feelsgoodman.jpg |
12:35 |
danielpbarron |
i'm honestly surprised my account isn't suspended yet |
12:36 |
danielpbarron |
i've been blocked by so many sews |
12:36 |
pete_dushenski |
plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live |
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12:37 |
pete_dushenski |
bitstein: so much extra time on your hands eh ?! |
12:38 |
pete_dushenski |
without that news thirst being quenched (qntra can only do so much) i've found myself blog hopping and reading more dead tree books |
12:38 |
pete_dushenski |
and... spending more time here |
12:39 |
bitstein |
pete_dushenski: indeed. suddenly thoughts turn more back to work and play rather than how to amass fake internet points |
12:39 |
pete_dushenski |
remember klout ? |
12:39 |
bitstein |
i try not to |
12:39 |
pete_dushenski |
my goodness that thing pretty much single handedly ruined sm |
12:41 |
bitstein |
sounds like someone didn't have a very good score |
12:42 |
pete_dushenski |
i had a score ? |
12:44 |
bitstein |
The Ministry of Analytics keeps a score on everyone's social media success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU |
12:44 |
assbot |
Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985) - Ministry of Information - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ajeSTW ) |
12:46 |
trinque |
I love that movie. |
12:46 |
pete_dushenski |
man they can hustle! |
12:47 |
* |
pete_dushenski adds it to his list |
12:47 |
bitstein |
trinque: Robert de Niro's my favorite in it |
12:50 |
jurov |
!mpif |
12:50 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021357 B (Total: 467.04 B). Delta: -0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] |
12:50 |
jurov |
!t m f.mpif |
12:50 |
assbot |
Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way? |
12:50 |
nubbins` |
heh |
12:50 |
jurov |
looks like it wasn't traded at all |
12:51 |
jurov |
las 30d |
12:54 |
pete_dushenski |
bitstein: speaking of de niro, i just watched mean streets the other night |
12:54 |
pete_dushenski |
come to think of it, mebbe i should do an article on mean streets |
12:54 |
bitstein |
how was that? |
12:55 |
pete_dushenski |
de niro was killer. he was the cock of the walk, a smooth customer |
12:56 |
pete_dushenski |
the film definitely had some moments that are hard to imagine happening today |
12:56 |
pete_dushenski |
ok ima write this up |
12:57 |
bitstein |
I put it on my list. |
13:02 |
nubbins` |
*cough* |
13:02 |
nubbins` |
!s ima write this up |
13:02 |
assbot |
5 results for 'ima write this up' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ima+write+this+up |
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~ 50 minutes ~ |
13:53 |
ben_vulpes |
http://com.goog |
13:53 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1COcnUg ) |
13:53 |
ben_vulpes |
http://com.google |
13:53 |
assbot |
elgooG ... ( http://bit.ly/1COcuis ) |
13:55 |
nubbins` |
heh |
13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
holy heck a whole half btc of donations this month |
13:59 |
ben_vulpes |
thanks again for the accounting, jurov |
14:03 |
mats |
nao you can finally retire in luxury |
14:03 |
ben_vulpes |
in somalia |
14:03 |
jurov |
deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201503.txt.asc |
14:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1COhB28 ) |
14:04 |
trinque |
jurov: pls to be sticking on dpaste |
14:04 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
14:04 |
trinque |
also up the thing; I will let people know when things have changed |
14:04 |
* |
ascii_field still doesn't have a buildable bitcoind-0.5.3.1 |
14:04 |
trinque |
for now, real life duty calls |
14:05 |
jurov |
it will always be limited to dpaste? |
14:05 |
ascii_field |
not even my old patch fixes it any more. |
14:06 |
ascii_field |
results in 'error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous' and many litres of consequent barf |
14:06 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: pogo or...? |
14:06 |
ascii_field |
amd64 |
14:06 |
ascii_field |
standard auto.sh build |
14:06 |
ben_vulpes |
bwat. |
14:06 |
ben_vulpes |
virgin foundation tarball? |
14:07 |
ascii_field |
this is -after- i apply my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch << the second half, you folks did merge the first |
14:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm ) |
14:07 |
ascii_field |
without it - the barf quoted last night. |
14:07 |
trinque |
jurov: nope, just until the next time I have a spare evening |
14:09 |
ascii_field |
nm - the c++03 thing wasn't pre-merged either |
14:09 |
ascii_field |
at any rate, my patch no longer fixes the build on my boxes. |
14:09 |
nubbins` |
yeah, the -l z line was removed |
14:09 |
nubbins` |
nothing else from your portatronic patch is in 0.5.3.1 |
14:09 |
ascii_field |
it doesn't work with or without. |
14:10 |
nubbins` |
stock 0.5.3.1 works? |
14:10 |
nubbins` |
wait |
14:10 |
scoopbot |
New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement |
14:11 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field you're saying 0.5.3.1-RELEASE won't compile /and/ it won't compile after you merge your portatronic patch? |
14:11 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
14:11 |
ascii_field |
different barfs |
14:11 |
nubbins` |
ah! |
14:11 |
nubbins` |
you have compiled stock 0.5.3 tho? |
14:12 |
ascii_field |
'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' without patch |
14:12 |
ascii_field |
with - see above. |
14:12 |
ascii_field |
stock - yes. |
14:12 |
nubbins` |
ok |
14:12 |
ascii_field |
the new static build won't crank even with my patch. |
14:12 |
nubbins` |
out of all the patches included in 0.5.3.1, only one of them actually adds code. all the rest just snip. |
14:13 |
nubbins` |
might be worth reverifying the couple that you didn't write, maybe even the manifest trim thing |
14:13 |
ascii_field |
as far as i can tell, the behaviour of gcc is somehow minutely different |
14:13 |
ascii_field |
because of changes in the build system |
14:13 |
nubbins` |
what ver of gcc? |
14:13 |
ascii_field |
4.8.3 on this box |
14:14 |
ascii_field |
4.9.2 on other |
14:14 |
ascii_field |
same results |
14:14 |
nubbins` |
ah |
14:14 |
nubbins` |
i compiled 0.5.3.1 on darwin w/ 4.9.2 |
14:16 |
ascii_field |
i believe it |
14:17 |
nubbins` |
are you getting that error in the actual bitcoind compile, or one of the deps? |
14:17 |
ascii_field |
bitcoind |
14:17 |
ascii_field |
deps build fine. |
14:18 |
nubbins` |
ok, a couple sources suggest instead of using <stdint.h> using boost/cstdint.hpp |
14:19 |
nubbins` |
seems to be as many different solutions as there are people asking the problem, which is never a good sign |
14:20 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: verified just now that it does not fix. |
14:20 |
nubbins` |
there was another lib suggested, where is it |
14:23 |
nubbins` |
try <cstdint> |
14:23 |
ascii_field |
error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options. |
14:24 |
nubbins` |
er yeah, there's that too :S |
14:24 |
ascii_field |
^ and i refuse to do this. |
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14:24 |
ascii_field |
because I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO |
14:25 |
nubbins` |
might be worth finding out if/where uint32_t actually is hiding on your system |
14:25 |
ascii_field |
this should not matter! |
14:25 |
nubbins` |
hey, agreed |
14:25 |
ascii_field |
and it lives in stdint |
14:25 |
ascii_field |
like on everyone else's box |
14:26 |
nubbins` |
are you using your auto.sh or the 0.5.3.1-RELEASE one? |
14:26 |
ascii_field |
release |
14:26 |
ascii_field |
i was trying to build the release. |
14:26 |
nubbins` |
nod |
14:27 |
ascii_field |
including stdint.h (as per my patch) in util.h gives |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:49: error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue)); |
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14:28 |
ascii_field |
^ |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:314:0, |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/include/g++-v4/cstdlib:72, |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config/platform/linux.hpp:15, |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config.hpp:53, |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/foreach.hpp:30, |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
from headers.h:7, |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
from bitcoinrpc.cpp:6: |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
__intN_t (64, __DI__); [... snipped many pages of crud ... ] |
14:28 |
nubbins` |
ah, it's /ambiguous/. that's different |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
this is AFTER my patch |
14:28 |
nubbins` |
o |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
before - see earlier. |
14:29 |
nubbins` |
k i gotcha |
14:30 |
nubbins` |
is boost/cstdint.hpp or <cstdint> included in bitcoinrpc.cpp, by any chance? |
14:31 |
ascii_field |
nope |
14:31 |
nubbins` |
:S |
14:31 |
ascii_field |
nubbins` has a copy too, can read it, no ? |
14:31 |
nubbins` |
oh you! |
14:31 |
nubbins` |
plz to uname -a |
14:33 |
ascii_field |
gentoo as always |
14:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66964 @ 0.00025101 = 16.8086 BTC [+] |
14:33 |
ascii_field |
x86_64 |
14:34 |
nubbins` |
once this buildroot compile finishes i'll give it a try on my gentoo vm |
14:34 |
nubbins` |
!up ascii_field |
14:38 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10955275#msg10955275 |
14:38 |
assbot |
Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fi8h6y ) |
14:38 |
nubbins` |
^ for those who wish to see goods traded without regard for fiat cost |
14:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00025101 = 19.8549 BTC [+] |
14:49 |
mats |
http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/when-will-the-ecb-start-to-taper/ |
14:49 |
assbot |
When Will The ECB Start To Taper? | A Fistful Of Euros ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jJp0 ) |
14:51 |
BingoBoingo |
http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/commit/3c1984199065628a4c54b8c89f815f9edfa55c8f |
14:51 |
assbot |
gitweb.dragonflybsd.org Git - dragonfly.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jMRA ) |
14:52 |
ascii_field |
fact is, that thing - as written - should build on NO ONE's machine - given as util.h is using a type that is not defined therein, nor anywhere else! (stdint.h is not included in -any- of the files) |
15:00 |
nubbins` |
huh. |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
uint32_t is not defined by anything in or linked from the bitcoind sources. |
15:01 |
ascii_field |
if your gcc sees it, it is apparently because it does non-standard things behind your back |
15:01 |
* |
nubbins` envisions a .foundation standardized build environment in the near future |
15:01 |
ben_vulpes |
waaa |
15:01 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: yes. |
15:01 |
ben_vulpes |
DUDE. |
15:01 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: don't take my word for it |
15:02 |
ascii_field |
try it. |
15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
i built the damn thing before we shipped that tarball. |
15:02 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: on what ? |
15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
debian 6 vm. |
15:02 |
ascii_field |
which gcc ? |
15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
that i do not recall offhand |
15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
hold plz |
15:03 |
nubbins` |
fwiw i installed fresh 4.9.2 via homebrew right before i compiled bitcoind on darwin64 |
15:04 |
danielpbarron |
i have not been able to build the latest release either / same problem ascii has described |
15:04 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 |
15:05 |
ben_vulpes |
mind you my whole env is structured around reproducing what would have been in the wild ca. the 0.5.3 release |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
15:06 |
nubbins` |
4.4.5, that's older by a few minor revs |
15:06 |
ben_vulpes |
myup. |
15:06 |
nubbins` |
was that current cca. 0.5.3? |
15:06 |
ben_vulpes |
that's from a debian that was current ca 0.5.3... |
15:06 |
nubbins` |
ah |
15:07 |
ben_vulpes |
probably ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as well, 'cause i dun know any better |
15:07 |
ben_vulpes |
danielpbarron: plz to report build failures! |
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15:08 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10 |
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15:13 |
nubbins` |
!up McNumpty |
15:14 |
nubbins` |
Chillum you hear of this "rosin" stuff all the west coast hippies are on about? |
15:15 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: isn't that the stuff with which you enfrictionalize your bow? |
15:15 |
nubbins` |
yes. also makes solder flow nicely. |
15:15 |
nubbins` |
generalized, rosin is produced from resin |
15:15 |
ascii_field |
also found in traditional sealing wax, iirc. |
15:15 |
nubbins` |
i'm asking Chillum about a specific regional variation thereof |
15:15 |
ascii_field |
at least in the recipe i was taught |
15:15 |
ben_vulpes |
DRUGS |
15:16 |
thestringpuller |
DRUGS!!!!!! |
15:16 |
ben_vulpes |
terrist. |
15:16 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field +1 |
15:16 |
nubbins` |
anyway hippies have now discovered that if you take a hair straightening iron and crush marijuana buds with it |
15:16 |
nubbins` |
rosin squirts out |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
why specifically that heat source ? |
15:17 |
nubbins` |
$12 at local drug store |
15:17 |
nubbins` |
it's their pogo |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
what's next, smoking out of the desoldering iron sold at ratshack ? |
15:17 |
nubbins` |
the serious types upgrade to a large t-shirt heat press |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
the one with the rubber squeeze bulb |
15:17 |
nubbins` |
ha |
15:18 |
nubbins` |
ascii's face when low-end "vaporizers" are essentially this |
15:18 |
ascii_field |
i thought 'low end vaporizer' was a glass bottle and a candle |
15:18 |
nubbins` |
lightbulb and a butane torch! |
15:19 |
* |
ascii_field not expert |
15:19 |
* |
nubbins` had portable vaporizer, fit in hand, ~size of "family" walkie talkies |
15:19 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: how does it work ? |
15:20 |
nubbins` |
rechargeable Li battery powering a heat coil around a barrel-shaped oven chamber |
15:20 |
nubbins` |
8-seg display and target temp controls |
15:21 |
nubbins` |
you pack chamber w/ grass, close lid, let unit heat up, inhale thru straw |
15:21 |
ascii_field |
high-tech! |
15:21 |
nubbins` |
it really is |
15:22 |
nubbins` |
you could cook chicken nuggets in it |
15:22 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/QRfRr5a.jpg |
15:22 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CxOZch ) |
15:22 |
ascii_field |
but how do you know how much dose you end up with ? |
15:22 |
ben_vulpes |
and this is why i don't vape. |
15:22 |
ascii_field |
i.e. is there a volumetric gauge ? |
15:22 |
ben_vulpes |
titration story is woefully inadequate. |
15:23 |
mats |
buncha druggies |
15:23 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field a discerning user would weigh a dose on a scale, say 0.1-0.2g |
15:23 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: but wouldn't the concentration in the leaf itself vary / |
15:23 |
ascii_field |
? |
15:23 |
nubbins` |
the unit works best when packed fully but not tightly, which is generally around this weight |
15:24 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field from strain to strain, yes |
15:24 |
mats |
p hard to evaluate dosage without getting lab quality wax |
15:25 |
Chillum |
nubbins`: I don't like the various solid extracts being made these days |
15:25 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field "med shops" and "compassion clubs" will offer dozens of strains, each with different percentages of the various cannabinoids |
15:25 |
ascii_field |
wtf is a 'compassion club' |
15:25 |
ben_vulpes |
what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis? |
| |
↖ |
15:25 |
nubbins` |
stores that sell dope to people who say they're sick |
15:26 |
nubbins` |
generally openly and in areas where not explicitly legal to do so |
15:26 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: generally a single control intake is enough to calibrate against a given 'purchase' |
15:26 |
nubbins` |
Chillum probably has hundreds of such places within a few hours' drive |
15:27 |
danielpbarron |
lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence |
15:27 |
Chillum |
nubbins`: 2 blocks, another in 4 blocks |
15:27 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field ^ |
15:28 |
Chillum |
I think about 6 in the city |
15:30 |
ascii_field |
the uint32_t thing is infuriatingly retarded |
15:30 |
ascii_field |
i mean, wtf |
15:30 |
lobbes |
<danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. |
15:31 |
lobbes |
ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction |
15:31 |
ascii_field |
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/02/09#l1328812405 << the schmucks having same problem |
15:31 |
assbot |
BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzLh2H ) |
15:32 |
ascii_field |
lobbes: generally, the earliest orlov is the best |
15:34 |
nubbins` |
<+lobbes> <danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. <<< oh, agreed, i find the ratio of thc to other cbds makes way more of a difference |
15:34 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field there's also a very wide comfortable dose range |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
15:37 |
BingoBoingo |
!up chmod755_ |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082145 << "usg employee agrees to testify in court that the usg owns an amount of bitcoin that the usg wishes to be known it owns." |
15:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 12:16:22; assbot: In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 ) |
15:56 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: 4/1 |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, at least after calling out their usms scam, they're now forced to put dea agents "in prison" to try and certify ownership over imaginary stakes of btc. |
15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
still doesn't do as much as deedbot'd do. |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field yeah, only fo real. |
15:58 |
ascii_field |
i'll believe if it remains 'real' tomorrow. |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082152 << i dun follow this logic ? |
15:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 12:32:18; nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows |
15:59 |
nubbins` |
mountains of plastic |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? |
15:59 |
nubbins` |
if you cared anything about, say, not making these: you wouldn't use a keurig in the first place |
15:59 |
nubbins` |
the pod ones |
16:00 |
lobbes |
I never understood those, either. Even if you want one cup of coffee.. just use one cup of water |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
o that stuff. i don't know anyone that uses it o.O |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess i don't date widely enough in the aging hipster crowd. |
16:01 |
ascii_field |
they are used by folks too lazy to wash machine or measure, grind the beans |
16:01 |
nubbins` |
yeah, i obv don't carry the numbers in long-term storage, but they're incredibly pervasive and just as wasteful |
16:01 |
ascii_field |
the machine sorta does for coffee what the brass shell did for the rifle |
16:01 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? << In usia measuring the coffee grounds to use one of those became "Too Hard"(TM) hence now people buy grounds in pre measured plastic cartridges |
16:01 |
nubbins` |
then the idea of a user-refillable pod came about |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
dude who cares, just fill the filter. |
16:02 |
BingoBoingo |
^ |
16:02 |
nubbins` |
now the new coffee machines have DRM |
16:02 |
nubbins` |
:0 |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
16:02 |
nubbins` |
srs |
16:02 |
BingoBoingo |
They are too lazy, this is what Bush and Obama did |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
what "rights" ? |
16:02 |
nubbins` |
the right to only pour hot water through authorized plastic widgets |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
16:02 |
nubbins` |
right? |
16:03 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is not making this up. i have seen this machine. |
16:03 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu i seriously do not know why anyone thinks one of these machines is easier or tastier than a simple pour-over |
16:03 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: easier because don't have to wash. |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
there's just no way any government can be organised to deliver the sort of humiliating, depersonalising, invasive experience the us folk have come to expect. |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the only way for them to get what they want is private initiative. |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
of like, the mongols. |
16:03 |
nubbins` |
;;google filthy keurig water tank |
16:03 |
gribble |
snopes.com: Keurigs Harbor Mold, Bacteria, and Algae: <http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/keurig.asp>; How to Clean (Eliminate Mold in Water Reservoir) and Care for a ...: <http://artvandelay66.hubpages.com/hub/CleanAndCareForAKeurig>; How to Clean Your Keurig - A Few Short Cuts: <http://afewshortcuts.com/2013/01/when-your-keurig-doest-make-a-full-cup-how-to-clean-your-keurig/> |
16:03 |
nubbins` |
"don't have to wash" 8) |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i think if isis took over say pennsylvania, and forced all sorts of bizarro stuff upon the citizenry, there'd finally be a huge sigh of satisfied submission. |
16:04 |
nubbins` |
lel snopes! |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
this nickle and dime "we'll poke at your asshole a little if you go to an airport" thing isn't cutting it. |
16:05 |
nubbins` |
one result of the plastification of the world is that everything's shaped to harbour mold now |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
mold is your friend. |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
(also, it's not just the shape. plastics are pretty much ideal substrate for microorganisms) |
16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00025101 = 16.5918 BTC [+] |
16:07 |
BingoBoingo |
!up |
16:07 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
16:07 |
nubbins` |
yeah. |
16:07 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes et al: so i fix the idiot integer bugs (despite which this apparently built on various folks' machines) - and now http://dpaste.com/3NA25E9.txt |
16:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1G5pZgn ) |
16:08 |
nubbins` |
wow, a guy just sent me a photograph of a pgp-signed custody document, with a piece of paper over his personal info, saying "this should be enough, preferably you don't need to know the other 19 coin addresses" |
16:08 |
nubbins` |
:0 |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
re " warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" ascii_field wtf is that shit !? |
16:09 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: the result of attempting to build the latest static 0.5.3 on my boxes. |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
do i misunderstand what statically linked means ? |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` enough fore what ? |
16:09 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: after fixing a number of typedef bugs which, going BY THE FUCKING BOOK OF CPP ought to prevent the thing from building ANYWHERE |
16:09 |
nubbins` |
enough for me to verify that there exists a piece of paper with a bunch of pgp shit on it that i can't do anything with |
16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field so wtf is this ?! |
16:10 |
nubbins` |
"this heavily redacted version of a pgp-signed document should be enough" |
16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` no i get that part, but why is some derp proving stuff to you and what sutff ? you running kyc nao ? |
16:10 |
nubbins` |
naw i wanna buy a casascius coin from him |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
oh oh |
16:11 |
nubbins` |
and i want him to prove he's the first owner |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah toitally. should be enough o.O |
16:11 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: to make long story short, therealbitcoin's release does not build on any of my boxes. |
16:11 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: after discovering and eliminating several of the reasons for this, i discover a new one. |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
that's one thing. the other thing is, what the fuck do you mean "x in statically linked application requires material from gcc used at the time" |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the exact opposite of what statically linekd means. |
16:12 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: as you probably suspected, static linking as such is broken on extant systems. |
16:12 |
ascii_field |
no one has used it for much of anything long enough, apparently. |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
well this'd be a fucking problem. |
16:12 |
ascii_field |
allowed to 'rust'. |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
because now we don't know if it opesn't build because of it or because of you |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
and for crying out loud. |
16:13 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: my tests consisted of two gentoo boxes, one 'old and grey', the other built in october. |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
and the failed static linking happens on both ? |
16:13 |
ascii_field |
aha |
16:13 |
ascii_field |
ditto the integer errors |
16:14 |
ascii_field |
(which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does) |
16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
is there some obscuritas in tenebrae switch or something needed on gcc when REALLY statically linking ? |
16:15 |
thestringpuller |
dr. ascii_field do you hate python? |
16:15 |
ascii_field |
has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? |
16:15 |
ascii_field |
and not the systemwide one |
16:15 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: i only ever use it as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the cancer is so advanced x.x |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << yeah, but implemented in wetware. |
16:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field for that matter, you know, why the systemwide one ? the correct one! downloaded from nist.will.pwn.your.box.edu |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: see, my boxes are set up to do precisely what i explicitly ask'em to do |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
and not 'helpful' crap behind me back |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field listen, would you consider putting up reference compositions ? |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: compositions ? |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
for w/e you use ? sort of like "this is alf's hammer" |
16:18 |
ascii_field |
as in, disk image with compilators, etc ? |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
or w/e exact form most adequate. |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work |
16:18 |
ascii_field |
i suppose mircea_popescu wants one that runs on qemu or bochs or the like |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
a sh script |
16:18 |
ascii_field |
iron-independent |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
well, not necessarily. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
if it comes with a specification of parts that's also workable. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
as a for instance. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea is, it seems clear to me that mere package-level specification is dysfunctional./ |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this bs where we write down what we put into make or w/e does clearly not work. |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
parts that i mention in public have a tendency to become... less obtainable |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and so what we're essentially doing when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
so emulator probably better |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but for all the problems derived from the same source. |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and so... universalised. |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
but everyone will have to make peace with 30x lengthened build times. |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
and shuttling crud to/from the emu |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
emulators are a bad idea. just keep mentioning parts in public. |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
like we're nintendo devs |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
incidentally, perhaps you folks remember that i wanted to do this, in the beginning |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
vaguely. |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
i had no fucking idea, then, of exactly the state of rot in foss. |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888337 |
16:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-10-2014 18:16:50; asciilifeform: no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture. |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
but the more i look at it the scarier it gets. |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field an "emulation" is basically "let's run a vps". noty. |
16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << maybe you should make forms. |
16:23 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business |
16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
oops wrong link. |
16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082269 << maybe you should make forms. |
16:23 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 16:12:29; jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody? |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: vps << i said emulation, not virtualization |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference is minute. |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
emulated machine will run same on 'cray' build in '88 and on 'multivac' in the year 3000. |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
think nintendo or commodore emulators used today. |
16:25 |
ascii_field |
the difference is not at all minute |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"same" for any definition of same that doesn't include, say, someone stealing your data. |
16:25 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: think for a minute. not suggesting to run battlefield apparatus -on- emulator. but a place to standardize imaginary machine for cross-compilators. |
16:25 |
ascii_field |
like knuth's 'mix' |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i am actually suggesting people move their day to day computing AWAY from "linux" or from "gentoo" which are MEANINGLESSSSSSSSS |
16:26 |
felipelalli |
here only to say that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063881 worked! I got a fright hell! |
16:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-03-2015 04:00:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation. |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
to SPECIFIED stacks of SPECIFIED software made by identified people. |
16:26 |
ascii_field |
beginning to see where mircea_popescu is going |
16:26 |
ascii_field |
buildroot for pc... |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so i run "alf". |
16:26 |
ascii_field |
essentially, suggesting that we sit down and become 'gentoo' |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field exactly. which is why i said, "when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem but for all the problems derived from the same source." |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
there's nothing magic about usgavin trying to fuck up the bitcoin stack. |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
he's not distinguishable from poettering trying to fuck up the linux userland |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
or from a whole array of equivalent muppets all "doing their part". |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
same problem, same solution. |
16:27 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu is only the 3rd or 4th fella to suggest that i take up maintaining a linux planet |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
not a planet mind you. |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
just a place. |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
it's a planet. |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
try to understand how the original gentoo went to seed |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
"you want to be here, you must buy nvidia hf-333 for a video card" is perfectly okay. |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
consider ^ |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
titanic amount of work for one schmuck's spare time. |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this is incidentally not a bug. it is a feature. it helps us put pressure on hw manufacturers too |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"we don't want your latest version. we want X. fuck you." |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this entire "latest version" bullcrap has to go away anyway. |
16:29 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: thing is, look how the 'freeze it all in amber' thing works on bitcoind. |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field shouldn't be any extra work really. just, bundle the software with a description of the hardware. |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
herculian labour, and it's one piddling proggy |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
don't tell me we lost the "interchangeable parts" to THAT degree. |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
we did. |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck do you mean ? |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
a bitwise copy of your current system on an assemblage of the same hardware wouldn't boot ? |
16:31 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: if exactly same, then will. this is kinda my notion with 'pogo'. |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so then. |
16:31 |
ascii_field |
but the devil lives in the details. i have on my desk, for example, two nominally-identical microcontrollers which behave - differently. |
16:31 |
ascii_field |
in some errata sheet there may or many not be an explanation. |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
this also applies to, e.g., pc southbridges |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
ata controllers; |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
video boards; |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
etc. |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
so you'll soon discover "same part number" when we're talking boards means exactly nothing, and we'll be stuck tracing down exact vintage ? |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
don't take my word for it. ask another schmuck who works with low-level iron. |
16:33 |
ascii_field |
and the plague is ancient. it is how usg ended up with its attempts to standardize cpu |
16:33 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049461 |
16:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-03-2015 01:50:22; asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious. |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
well, the good news is that serenissima really has no unemployment. |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
we could readily employ thousands. |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
now, i'm not saying we should all eat our nagants, nothing can be done. one can achieve some measure of stability. but as things fall apart, as they increasingly are, the fuzz at the edges will look like... this. |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
see earlier thread re: infuriating idiocy |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082307 << only if you're not stupid. otherwise, works great. |
16:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 16:36:53; pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live |
16:36 |
ascii_field |
the real solution is iron standard and impalements for violators |
16:36 |
ascii_field |
a -rational- standard against which -rational- folks won't rebel. |
16:36 |
chetty |
lmao, vlad? |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field there is no such thing as a rational standard. |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
all standards are, by the nature of what a standard is, irrational. |
16:36 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu is technically right |
16:37 |
ascii_field |
what i actually meant was 'one which is not actively insulting to the intelligence of practitioners' |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but the only way to have that |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
is to make it actively insulting to the stupidity of the nonpractitioners. |
16:37 |
ascii_field |
well yes. |
16:37 |
ascii_field |
(see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 ) |
16:37 |
assbot |
Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamfCx ) |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and this is a major political decision we are, as far as history knows, the ONLY group willing to make. |
16:38 |
BingoBoingo |
https://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m << Geting qntra'd up but though I'd drop the original here nao |
16:38 |
assbot |
Executive Order -- "Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities" | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamuO6 ) |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
so willy-nilly we can't practically use the vomit of the others. |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo ima read the qntra. usually better than original. |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
holy fuck |
16:39 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Why linked before qntra finished |
16:39 |
mats |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-navy-alarmed-at-beijings-great-wall-of-sand-in-south-china-sea/2015/04/01/dda11d76-70d7-4b69-bd87-292bd18f5918_story.html |
16:39 |
assbot |
U.S. Navy alarmed at Beijing’s ‘Great Wall of sand’ in South China Sea - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Canq5c ) |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
'any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States...' |
16:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Lizard fangs have been bared |
16:40 |
chetty |
they are warming up the wagens |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
welll hopefully you all got your propertah out of the us at any point during the many discussions as to teh effect. |
16:41 |
ascii_field |
'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of |
16:41 |
ascii_field |
this order.' |
16:42 |
nubbins` |
lel. |
16:42 |
nubbins` |
donating to .foundation just got made illegal |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
that's ok, donating to the irs is actually illegal. |
16:43 |
nubbins` |
phew |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
one's just gotta pick on which side they wish to live ilegally. |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082407 << for good reason, it's not happening. |
16:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 18:24:13; ascii_field: ^ and i refuse to do this. |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda curious what ben_vulpes / mod6 make of this. |
16:47 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: it built on their boxes, on account of ????? in their gcc. |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
well what is the ???? |
16:47 |
ascii_field |
and ~?????? in mine. |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe it's thompson's drillbit ? |
16:48 |
ascii_field |
i promise to say when find out. |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
a) i don't think think this would have been caught by pretty much any other outfit on the planet and b) i don't see the proposition we've found a deep seated hole is readily dismissable. |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
for all we know, this is how the universally diddled compiler is discovered. |
16:49 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting. |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it is. |
16:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23911 @ 0.00025101 = 6.0019 BTC [+] |
16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
not for being likely, but for it being exactly the way in which that unlikely'd be seen. |
16:51 |
ascii_field |
re: mein Führer's decree: when i tell folks i have an expiration date in the none too distant future - they laugh. |
16:51 |
ascii_field |
still laugh ? |
16:51 |
mats |
"three govt officials can pwn your shit at will on the basis of evidence at least as good as obama's attribution of the sony attack to north korea" |
16:51 |
ascii_field |
mats: schmuck on the street, if any of them read it, will mutter 'good, they'll hang spammers finally' or the like. |
16:52 |
mats |
and ya don't even have to be american to participate. democracy. |
16:52 |
ascii_field |
as i've said perhaps a dozen times, if there isn't an icbm battery between you and the lunatic nato reich - you're fair game to them. |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mats quite exactly. |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone "owning" in the us is deluding themselves. |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field and especially if there is. |
16:56 |
ascii_field |
if there is and you can demonstrate readiness to use it - as in, 'we catch ONE more blackwater in donbass and new york is glass' - then possibly no |
16:56 |
ascii_field |
but there is not at present such a king. |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field if there was, you'd know it by this sign, that he'd glass new york anyway. |
16:57 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: long ago. |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
somethinglike thjat. |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, for the record : the us president does not have the rights it gives itself. |
16:58 |
chetty |
well dont people generally have the rights they step up and take? |
16:58 |
ascii_field |
he has the ability. |
16:58 |
ascii_field |
which is to say, he can push a button and i starve |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
no, rights are exactly not that, which is why the concept even exists. |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field he might have the ability. does not have the right. |
16:59 |
chetty |
but who is going to tell him so? |
16:59 |
ascii_field |
like every criminal, the officials of usg do precisely as much as they can comfortably get away with. |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i just told him so. |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field obviously. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
cue obama going for a condolezza rice impersonation. "nobody had any idea what we were doing was illegal." |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
"i just graduated from stanford, i don;t know anything." |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
word 'illegal' to them only applies to misbehaviour of the cattle |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
not to farmer. |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
interestingly enough, i take the same view. |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
farmer by definition cannot commit cattlemisbehaviour |
17:03 |
chetty |
no its worse, he commits farmer misbehavior |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose war is inevitable when people agree in principle but not in fact. |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
a cow won't fight another cow, nor a farmer another farmer, |
17:04 |
ascii_field |
ultima ratio regum (TM) !! |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
but when a cow thinks itself a farmer and thinks the farmer a cow... |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
this has to come to blow |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
s |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, let's up the stakes a little here. |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
17:10 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: you might want to have some other fella, who isn't to hang soon, maintain serenissima-linux. |
17:10 |
BingoBoingo |
!up nubbins` |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i like people who will hang soon. |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
lived most of my life as one. |
17:11 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu morituri te salutant ! |
17:11 |
ascii_field |
(TM) |
17:12 |
ascii_field |
see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444 |
17:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.' |
17:12 |
trinque |
when they declare working on a piece of open source a threat to national security, time to find a shore and start swimming |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B6PCT7.txt |
17:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1NCca8n ) |
17:13 |
ascii_field |
trinque is posting from the sea ? |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque bitcoin is factually a threat to the usg "national security". it exists to end them. |
17:16 |
ascii_field |
that 1btc will do us good in 'gitmo' |
17:16 |
ascii_field |
will have to learn to ecdsa in head. |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082481 << he has a point. failures are potentially more important than successes. |
17:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 19:07:26; ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: plz to report build failures! |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field well, eventually 1 btc will be ample fortune for one to live. |
17:17 |
trinque |
so how about that gossipd |
17:17 |
ascii_field |
in the martian colony, circa 4000 ad, yes. |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i'm thinking more like 2030s. |
17:17 |
ascii_field |
trinque: mine's not done. and i don't think the other fella's is, either. but ask him |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque artifexd been working on it. he occasionalyl comes up for air. |
17:18 |
trinque |
I'm thinking deedbot wants something other than http and dns if it is to survive |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly. |
17:18 |
trinque |
and you know, me |
17:18 |
trinque |
:D |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, you ever dumped the history in there ? |
17:19 |
ascii_field |
the weakest link is the people, not the machines. |
17:19 |
ascii_field |
sadly |
17:19 |
trinque |
I have it, but no I have not |
17:20 |
* |
ascii_field listened (in car) to an infuriatingly zimmermanish interview with jon callas (former pgp, now 'silent circle' garbage) |
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17:20 |
ascii_field |
wanted to throw up |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
old men are usually stupid. |
17:20 |
ascii_field |
not that old. |
17:20 |
ascii_field |
and not stupid. knows what he's doing |
17:20 |
ascii_field |
but i could almost -smell- the mendacity |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"knows" |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
what exactly does he know ? |
17:21 |
ascii_field |
seriously synathesia here |
17:21 |
ascii_field |
*synaesthesia |
17:21 |
* |
trinque does a double take |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
or to quote, "Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before."" |
17:21 |
trinque |
did the president just decree himself able to steal property over any vaguely defined "threat" whatsoever |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque yes. he now has more powers than putin. |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
trinque: nah, lbj did that |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
trinque: it's been renewed since |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
by each succeeding one. |
17:22 |
trinque |
ascii_field: yes but surely there was at least a veneer of protocol there? |
17:22 |
trinque |
not yeah, I walk down two halls or whatever |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
arguably fdr was the first |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug. |
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17:22 |
trinque |
and "hey guys, go assfuck X" |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
what 'protocol' did he follow for the jp internment thing ? |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
his word - like that of the other great tyrants of his time - was enough. |
17:23 |
trinque |
yes you're right |
17:23 |
trinque |
notably though, all pretense of some exempt caste aside from the ruling class is now gone |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field oh meanwhile i recall who callas is. the reason i don't like openpgp! |
17:24 |
ascii_field |
just hearing him talk... was like suffering a case of food poisoning |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082532 << as is singular and atis is pluran 2nd person |
17:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 19:25:48; ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis? |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
o as at amus atis ant |
17:26 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug << ru thug did not come to texas, arm the republic of texas separatists so they can shell dallas, and raise international stink of 'consensus' when the locals defend it |
17:26 |
trinque |
yesterday I spent a fair amount of time thinking about how the US was already the totalitarian govt of much of the world long before I was born |
17:26 |
trinque |
and that in developing this capacity it was inevitable that they'd bring it home |
17:26 |
trinque |
the "regime change" machine |
17:26 |
ascii_field |
trinque: see pertinent orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html |
17:26 |
assbot |
ClubOrlov: License to Kill ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCdGqT ) |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
like ambulas = one walks ambulatis = two walk. |
17:29 |
nubbins` |
FWIW fresh 0.5.3.1-RELEASE on gentoo, building openssl by itself: Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed |
17:29 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: iirc that never worked |
17:29 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: tex bug |
17:30 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: 'further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred' << their favourite thing is not only to steal lands, houses (who even has these any more) but to freeze bank account and then have fun staying out of the street and the morgue, much less paying attorney |
17:30 |
nubbins` |
o |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field im not saying it's a complete solution. i am saying it is a lot more than nothing. |
17:31 |
ascii_field |
not saying it means nothing. |
17:32 |
ascii_field |
just that mr o can push a button, and send me to beg for spare change and 'big mac' on highway. |
17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, alligns incentrives correctly. "have you or anyone you know or care about been stolen from by the usg ? come join the people working to take away its shit" |
17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
if you derp much longer in there, yes. |
17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
but this is not news. |
17:33 |
ascii_field |
this also applies to the other schmucks |
17:33 |
ascii_field |
in usaschwitz |
17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly. |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, BingoBoingo has some stories about how it applied to him already, give or take. |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, "It seems obvious to me that global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, and the main source of carbon dioxide is lawnmowers. I have noticed over the years that it gets really cold during the winter, and during that time I rarely hear lawn mowers. But, as soon as I start hearing the occasional lawnmower in the neighborhood, it starts getting warmer. By midsummer when I hear lawnmowers every day, it is al |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
most always hot weather. And, as lawnmower use starts to taper in the fall, it starts getting cooler again." |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
just as good as any "earth science" out there. |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
" Lawnmowers have a nearly immediate effect on the local climate, too. In my area, lawnmowers are rarely used at night, and even 8-hours of lawnmower inactivity can cool the neighborhood by 20-degrees Fahrenheit. The tight correlation between lawnmower use and temperature is so closely related, that the scientific debate on the subject should be closed." |
17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"To those that suggest that the Sun has something to do with the weather, I say that is just a superstition. The Sun is far too far away to have any effect on the neighborhood. And besides, the Sun comes up in the winter, but it does not stay warm. But, as soon as people stop using lawnmowers, it gets cold. So, it seems obvious and irrefutable that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and lawnmowers are the main sourc |
17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
e of carbon dioxide." |
17:35 |
ascii_field |
^ gold. |
17:37 |
ascii_field |
re: earlier thread: i will point out that folks who got on the plane and left usa borders but still earn a living from something on which usg might exert pressure, directly or indirectly, are still inmates of usaschwitz. |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
17:38 |
ascii_field |
this also includes folks who have nothing to do with usa but live in a nato muppet state |
17:38 |
ascii_field |
e.g., nubbins` in ca |
17:41 |
ascii_field |
!up nubbins` |
17:41 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
!up nubbins` |
17:42 |
ascii_field |
so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy' |
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17:43 |
nubbins` |
underground economy bru |
17:43 |
thestringpuller |
for all those drug dealing just to get by |
17:43 |
nubbins` |
all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0 |
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17:43 |
thestringpuller |
stack your money until it get sky high |
17:44 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: this is why we have organized crime. |
17:44 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ? |
17:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320800 @ 0.0002554 = 81.9323 BTC [+] {6} |
17:44 |
thestringpuller |
buy a new identity? |
17:44 |
thestringpuller |
beome nubbins` #2 |
17:44 |
nubbins` |
;;rated othernubs |
17:44 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user othernubs |
17:44 |
nubbins` |
wat! |
17:45 |
nubbins` |
;;rated othernubs` |
17:45 |
gribble |
You rated user othernubs` on Mon Oct 20 13:34:32 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: not a bad guy. |
17:45 |
thestringpuller |
^- see ascii_field easy peasy |
17:46 |
trinque |
rational folks may be comtemplating the implications of the decree they just read |
17:46 |
trinque |
dunno that I'm rational, but I'm contemplating it |
17:49 |
ascii_field |
trinque: the implications are unsurprising. merely a friendly reminder from usg that anyone in range is fair game to it to rape with a telephone pole, and that - unless you're mircea_popescu, putin, or one of a hundred other folks who can say 'no' and make it stick, all you can do is to wait your turn. |
17:56 |
ascii_field |
for those who still don't get it - it costs more to -actually- remove someone from usg planet, than it does to lift them into orbit. |
17:56 |
ascii_field |
cost in terms of actual, vs. paper, wealth. |
17:56 |
ascii_field |
and yes mircea_popescu wrote about pulling pretty gurlz into orbit. this is easier, gurlz weigh less. |
17:57 |
ascii_field |
and they make good petz |
18:01 |
funkenstein_ |
i still don't get it |
18:01 |
ascii_field |
funkenstein_: you will. |
18:02 |
funkenstein_ |
i hope so |
18:02 |
funkenstein_ |
cause sometimes it sounds like you guys believe there is a real usg |
18:02 |
ascii_field |
i mean, the whole lot of us schmucks who are stuck here |
18:02 |
ascii_field |
will 'get it' |
18:03 |
funkenstein_ |
we're all stuck here |
18:03 |
ascii_field |
funkenstein_: other than mircea_popescu |
18:03 |
trinque |
due to what, my half-working rubber stamp apparatus? |
18:03 |
funkenstein_ |
ok :) |
18:03 |
ascii_field |
trinque: it works great when it's your time. |
18:03 |
trinque |
lol |
18:03 |
ascii_field |
go tell herr ulbricht that it doesn't. |
18:06 |
ascii_field |
and srsly, this is just the -famous- people |
18:06 |
ascii_field |
the schmucks get the joe stack treatment |
18:06 |
funkenstein_ |
that bit about the father getting jumped by 45 guys with usg hats totally ruined my april 1 thanks a lot guys |
18:06 |
ascii_field |
and we only know of stack because he had a creative way to blow his stack, so to speak. |
18:07 |
ascii_field |
the list of the folks dekulakized, libelled, injured, killed by usg thugs - is bookcase-length. |
18:07 |
ascii_field |
if it were ever put on paper |
18:07 |
funkenstein_ |
thanks for sharing anyways, warnings are good |
18:09 |
funkenstein_ |
!up ascii_field |
18:10 |
ascii_field |
and on top of this all, bitcoind release doesn't staticbuild. |
18:10 |
ascii_field |
(see earlier, substantive thread, before the obamitler thing) |
18:10 |
nubbins` |
<+ascii_field> nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ? <<< understand that "underground economy" means you have neither a mortgage nor a lease in your own name |
18:10 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: and what, no one does ? |
18:11 |
trinque |
nubbins` operates from a crypto-knapsack |
18:11 |
ascii_field |
who to mooch off ? |
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18:11 |
trinque |
nubbins`: want to host deedbot- from that thing? |
18:11 |
nubbins` |
? i can name a hundred people, right now, who live in this fashion |
18:12 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: i can name, if i want, a hundred people who live in dumpsters. |
18:12 |
nubbins` |
o.O |
18:12 |
nubbins` |
you do not know a hundred people who live in dumpsters. |
18:13 |
ascii_field |
understand, subjects of usg always have the choice of moving into a private, independent ambulatory jail |
18:13 |
ascii_field |
saves usg cost, yes. it is encouraged. |
18:13 |
asciilifeform |
!up nubbins` |
18:13 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: understand, i do not know them personally. though i used to keep the company of some people who -ate- from dumpsters |
18:14 |
nubbins` |
right. |
18:14 |
nubbins` |
anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone. |
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18:15 |
ascii_field |
to follow this logic to the end, it is much better to be a rat than a man |
18:15 |
ascii_field |
because rat is as pleased with dumpster as a man would be with sultan of brunei's palaces |
18:15 |
nubbins` |
only if you're happy with living as a rat. |
18:16 |
ascii_field |
rat does not need elektron microscope or 6-axis milling machine, yes |
18:16 |
ascii_field |
so he is quite happy. |
18:16 |
nubbins` |
and that's where your path has taken you |
18:16 |
funkenstein_ |
nor does he have to drone on endlessly on the tragedies of the human condition |
18:17 |
ascii_field |
funkenstein_: to be fair, rat might whine if he could speak |
18:17 |
ascii_field |
we just don't know precisely about what. |
18:17 |
nubbins` |
understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar |
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18:17 |
danielpbarron |
the rat has no soul to be saved for the kingdom of God |
18:17 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: and i don't even own one.. |
18:18 |
funkenstein_ |
danielpbarron, i disagree |
18:18 |
nubbins` |
you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments |
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18:18 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world |
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18:18 |
nubbins` |
that's why the off-radars live with strangers (or, more frequently, friends) |
18:19 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: and if you can't think when surrounded by loud, noxious strangers and their excreta ? |
18:19 |
ascii_field |
then 'quit thinking, your life led you to no good' ? |
18:19 |
nubbins` |
nope. then work as a contractor for the man. |
18:20 |
trinque |
so... why not drop off the face of bitcoin entirely until escape velocity |
18:20 |
ascii_field |
trinque: escape from what? usg's largesse? aha right. |
18:20 |
funkenstein_ |
this has probably crossed our minds trinque |
18:20 |
ascii_field |
as if any of us has a snowball's chance in hell of escape. |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
the choice is between 'die' and 'die like a man' |
18:21 |
funkenstein_ |
ascii_field we have already escaped. |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
funkenstein_ lives on atomic battleship in north atlantic ? |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
how many rockets ? |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
have you tested any, to see if still work ? |
18:22 |
funkenstein_ |
why would i need rockets? |
18:23 |
ascii_field |
because when hitler says 'funkenstein_ does not get to eat any more, anyone found feeding him will be fed to lampreys' what will funkenstein_ reply ? |
18:23 |
funkenstein_ |
hardly needs a reply does it |
18:23 |
ascii_field |
there is precisely -one- language in which there could be a reply. |
18:24 |
ascii_field |
a reply that is meaningfully understood and acted on, at any rate. |
18:25 |
funkenstein_ |
i don't think that language is rocket |
18:25 |
trinque |
nor I. |
18:25 |
ascii_field |
going purely based on historical example here. |
18:25 |
funkenstein_ |
i speak horticulture |
18:26 |
ascii_field |
don't take my word for it. try speaking other languages to it, see how far you get. |
18:26 |
trinque |
my only goal is to get out of the way of a giant that's already mortally injured |
18:26 |
ascii_field |
i don't see this 'injured.' |
18:26 |
funkenstein_ |
i don't see this giant |
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18:26 |
trinque |
^ that's the injury |
18:27 |
ascii_field |
funkenstein_: when they drag you away, feel free to imagine that the 'giant' is a gaggle of midgets. much difference it will make in 'gitmo.' |
18:27 |
trinque |
"drag away" for what |
18:27 |
funkenstein_ |
a gaggle of midgets can be dangerous as fuck i give you that |
18:28 |
jurov |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082878 wait what, how do we measure the thuggery here? |
18:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 21:22:34; mircea_popescu: im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug. |
18:28 |
nubbins` |
qualitatively |
18:28 |
nubbins` |
8) |
18:29 |
jurov |
that is? |
18:29 |
ascii_field |
jurov: think, if you prefer, of two robbers - one who wants to steal his neighbor's house, in which he used to live but got foreclosed on; and one who steals entire planet. |
18:29 |
ascii_field |
jurov: you have ru and usg respectively. |
18:29 |
funkenstein_ |
ascii_field, if a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats take me down, i will know it was a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats took me down, not a giant |
18:30 |
ascii_field |
funkenstein_: all state is made of midget |
18:31 |
ascii_field |
there were never giants in that other sense. |
18:31 |
jurov |
dear ascii_field, he will get his house, but will end up yet poorer |
18:31 |
jurov |
what do you think happen next? |
18:31 |
funkenstein_ |
agreed. petty tyrants. |
18:31 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/IwKduEB.gifv |
18:31 |
assbot |
MRW I get tricked into seeing something I really wish I hadn't ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiPo3h ) |
18:31 |
ascii_field |
jurov: dueling mega-states leave the schmucks poorer, who could be surprised |
18:32 |
trinque |
nubbins`: blehhhh |
18:32 |
nubbins` |
heh |
18:32 |
trinque |
nubbins`: your mascot? |
18:32 |
nubbins` |
MRW convo turns to usd-goliath |
18:34 |
jurov |
it boils down to who'd you rather befriend: the narcist, or the paranoid |
18:35 |
jurov |
i'd prefer some third way, but serenissima is not world power yet |
18:35 |
jurov |
so then i'd begrundgingly go with the narcist |
18:35 |
ascii_field |
jurov: it can't even power a linux distro yet. |
18:35 |
trinque |
meanwhile I'm not about to run out in front of the white house with my dick out and a target painted on my chest |
18:36 |
ascii_field |
jurov: the paranoid wants to live in quiet in his bunker, with buffer zone made of idiots who sided with his molesters around, for safety. the narcissist wants to cut up everything good and bright that ever was to cut into designer purse for self. |
18:36 |
nubbins` |
a-ha |
18:36 |
ascii_field |
*of dead idiots |
18:37 |
jurov |
if they mistook finnish and central eu folk for such idiots |
18:37 |
ascii_field |
mistook?! |
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18:37 |
jurov |
then they deserve what they got |
18:37 |
trinque |
man, I just wanna end up unknown somewhere with a greenhouse |
18:37 |
trinque |
that'd be fine |
18:37 |
trinque |
let the thing wear itself out |
18:38 |
nubbins` |
hm when building make, first bjam command produces: ...failed updating 1 target... |
18:38 |
ascii_field |
jurov: small non-atomicsovereign kingdoms don't get to have foreign policy, only to switch rapists |
18:38 |
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nubbins` wonders the easy way to discover said target |
18:38 |
ascii_field |
quite analogous to individual schmucks as discussed earlier in thread. |
18:38 |
nubbins` |
in the midst of the thousands upon thousands of warnings |
18:39 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
18:39 |
jurov |
!up ascii_field |
18:40 |
ascii_field |
i can readily believe that jurov personally prefers to live in a us colony than ru colony - and do not take issue with this, it is very much a private matter |
18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
<ascii_field> (which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does) << i don't even know how to check which tools are lying to me |
18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
readelf was new to me as of 2 months ago |
18:40 |
jurov |
ascii_field: even you don't want to live in russia |
18:41 |
jurov |
so that's why i wonder what you endlessly argue for |
18:41 |
ascii_field |
jurov: not exactly |
18:41 |
trinque |
impalement it sounds like |
18:41 |
trinque |
lol |
18:41 |
ascii_field |
jurov: i argue that anything that meaningfully opposes usg is to be applauded |
18:41 |
ascii_field |
that means no muppets (e.g. arabian nationalists funded by u.s. dept of state) or symbionts (cn) or parasites (north kr) |
18:42 |
funkenstein_ |
well that would mean you applaud most all citizens of usa |
18:42 |
ascii_field |
ru is not 'the future', just the best-looking horse in the usg glue factory, in this regard. |
18:42 |
ascii_field |
the one still kicking a little. |
18:42 |
ascii_field |
occasionally knocks some teeth from the demented butcher's mouth. |
18:43 |
funkenstein_ |
this is why north america loves putin |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
!up nubbins` |
18:43 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?! |
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18:44 |
ascii_field |
^^^^^^ |
18:44 |
ascii_field |
perhaps he meant the old meaning of word 'employ' |
18:44 |
ben_vulpes |
put to work. |
18:44 |
ben_vulpes |
burn the biodiesel. |
18:44 |
ascii_field |
as in 'find a use for, assuming they can eat tree bark and build own computer from mud' |
18:44 |
danielpbarron |
qntra shares for a start |
18:45 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron pays his rent in qntra shares ? |
18:46 |
danielpbarron |
it's an example of where the budget comes from -- anywhere in the world |
18:46 |
ascii_field |
what budget. |
18:46 |
danielpbarron |
the one that redily employs thousands |
18:47 |
ascii_field |
what there -is-, is an infinite budget of -hate- for the buggers. |
18:47 |
ascii_field |
it's what keeps me going |
18:47 |
ascii_field |
i don't expect atomic dirigible to pick me up from the hell |
18:48 |
danielpbarron |
anyone in the world who can get their hands on bitcoin can help fund that hate |
18:48 |
ascii_field |
but every time i have a small success in the things i work on, i picture some 'full spectrum dominance' type who will have to sell his daughters six minutes sooner |
18:48 |
ascii_field |
because of what i did |
18:48 |
ascii_field |
and it keeps me going. |
18:49 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: the bitcoin doesn't buy additional hate. usg does that. |
18:49 |
ascii_field |
for free. |
18:49 |
ben_vulpes |
<ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting. << rather. |
18:49 |
* |
nubbins` can also not get 0.5.3.1-RELEASE compiled on gentoo, but for completely different reason |
18:49 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: oh ? |
18:49 |
ascii_field |
please post the barf |
18:49 |
nubbins` |
headers.h:21:27: fatal error: openssl/ecdsa.h: No such file or directory |
18:49 |
nubbins` |
i'll pastebin more relevant vomit |
18:50 |
danielpbarron |
i have had that error |
18:50 |
jurov |
i can see annoyed and bored late roman citizen "go germans go" .. just not my cup of tea |
18:50 |
danielpbarron |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070480 |
18:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 14:04:55; danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt |
18:50 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VAQXDh59 |
18:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSB2O ) |
18:50 |
nubbins` |
i did get 1 failed target on openssl build |
18:50 |
danielpbarron |
me too |
18:50 |
ascii_field |
jurov: fair. i'm not sitting and 'go, zetas, go' either. |
18:51 |
danielpbarron |
well that's a relief; i had thought my gentoo install was borked |
18:51 |
nubbins` |
oh, and actually, yeah bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/openssl does not exist |
18:51 |
ascii_field |
jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit |
18:51 |
nubbins` |
none of the headers are there |
18:51 |
nubbins` |
guess that was an important target :p |
18:52 |
nubbins` |
wait, no, boost failed 1 target. |
18:52 |
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nubbins` scratches head |
18:52 |
funkenstein_ |
"blocks" : 315048, "connections" : 10 |
18:53 |
ascii_field |
the whole fucking ecosystem is rotten to the bone. |
18:53 |
ascii_field |
(see earlier thread) |
18:54 |
danielpbarron |
i find that fact to be comforting as it is generally consistent with the reality described in the Bible |
18:54 |
ascii_field |
i'ma go sit in traffic for a couplea hours now. perhaps one of you independently wealthy folks can fix it meanwhile. |
18:56 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> lived most of my life as one. << my turn to live under the gallows shadow |
18:57 |
* |
nubbins` yawns |
18:57 |
nubbins` |
fuck am i ever glad shit like this is just a hobby now |
18:57 |
funkenstein_ |
!rate ascii_field 1 on our side |
18:57 |
assbot |
ascii_field is not registered in WoT. |
18:58 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: what's "our side" |
18:58 |
nubbins` |
funkenstein_ try asciilifeform |
18:58 |
trinque |
this is what's problematic to me here; I am on no one's side... |
18:58 |
trinque |
well this and other things |
18:58 |
funkenstein_ |
guess it was the royal we ;) |
18:58 |
nubbins` |
!b 3 |
18:58 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06J3Z6T.txt ) |
18:58 |
nubbins` |
close |
18:59 |
nubbins` |
trinque everywhere's got problems, they're just, uh... /different/ here |
18:59 |
ben_vulpes |
funkenstein_ fancies hisself a laird nao? |
18:59 |
nubbins` |
,e, |
18:59 |
nubbins` |
whoa |
19:00 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: relax - it's just an april fool's joke :P |
19:00 |
funkenstein_ |
begging your pardon sirs |
19:00 |
funkenstein_ |
just meant to say i liked the chap's spirit |
19:01 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron around? |
19:01 |
danielpbarron |
ya |
19:01 |
nubbins` |
found missing openssl headers, they're just in the wrong spot. |
19:02 |
nubbins` |
add ~/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include to your path |
19:02 |
ben_vulpes |
funkenstein_: that's the spirit |
19:02 |
nubbins` |
or figure out why auto.sh puts the shit in the wrong dir |
19:04 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/ |
19:04 |
danielpbarron |
nubbins`, where would that go? |
19:05 |
nubbins` |
$ export PATH=$PATH:/home/dpb/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include |
19:05 |
nubbins` |
$ echo $PATH |
19:06 |
nubbins` |
if it looks kosher, then try ./auto.sh again |
19:07 |
nubbins` |
oh hm |
19:09 |
nubbins` |
wtf! |
19:09 |
funkenstein_ |
holy shit |
19:10 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron that actually doesn't work. |
19:11 |
funkenstein_ |
BingoBoingo tell me it's april fools please |
19:12 |
funkenstein_ |
persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States <--- ??? |
19:15 |
BingoBoingo |
<ascii_field> jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit << Then the peace vampires came out, like USG Informant Al Sharpton. |
19:16 |
BingoBoingo |
funkenstein_: Did you read the order? It is linked and on the white house website as well as attached in full text at the botton of the post |
19:16 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: ^ qntra on the topic is up |
19:20 |
BingoBoingo |
!up NewLiberty |
19:25 |
hanbot |
;;later_tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States |
19:25 |
gribble |
Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command. |
19:25 |
hanbot |
orly? |
19:26 |
hanbot |
;;later tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States |
19:26 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:26 |
hanbot |
derp. |
19:28 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron mkdir ourlibs/include/openssl; cp openssl-1.0.1g/include/openssl/* ourlibs/include/openssl/ |
19:29 |
nubbins` |
aha! |
19:29 |
nubbins` |
this brings me to: |
19:29 |
nubbins` |
util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type |
19:29 |
nubbins` |
^ asciilifeform |
19:29 |
nubbins` |
^ mod6 ben_vulpes |
19:30 |
nubbins` |
alf, take small solace in the fact that it's not just you? |
19:31 |
* |
nubbins` invites anyone currently watching to google the above error, with quotes |
19:33 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: Should be fixed |
19:33 |
nubbins` |
only results are from log |
19:34 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform i'm done w/ this for the evening, but my next step will be to try again with gcc 4.4.5, which mod6 says was current (in debian) when 0.5.3 came out |
19:34 |
nubbins` |
it's entirely possible that gcc broke this |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo "Faced with technology that forces it to reveal its teeth and claws, along with the reaping of the fruit the United States Government planted in its subversion of the computing stack at every level, the fangs are being bared and the claws unsheathed." |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
dude srsly... too meta. |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082925 << that's prolly going too far. the usg can prolly "exert pressure" on the price of soy, nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself. |
19:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 21:42:51; ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy' |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082928 << no, they're stupid. |
19:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 21:43:36; nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0 |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
just, vagrant stupid rather than delusional stupid. |
19:37 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Toned down the meta a bit. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. simile and such are very iffy in newsprint. |
19:42 |
* |
BingoBoingo pours a drink because cutting the liquor budget substantially for the short to medium term future. |
19:47 |
nubbins` |
bbl meatspace headspace |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082974 << this is where the entire "smart" turns to stupid. the only thing them smart hipsters can do is be my slavegirls. |
19:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:11:02; ascii_field: who to mooch off ? |
19:53 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu how's a hipster blowjob go? |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself << grow me a 0805 resistor. |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082985 << no. it is strictly a function of whether they are posing a threat to the leviathan or not. strictly that. no "routes". you can only matter if you can actually blow a hole in them, and you can only blow a hole in them if you don't depend on someone's permission for your activity. |
19:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:14:49; nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone. |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one. |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
in this sense, someone who has to mooch wifi and someone who "owns" a mortgage are identical. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform not my fault boys are worthless irl, when irl is designed by usg. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
this is deliberate and intentional. |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
he's just going with his past groupthink. |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082995 << no. living off radar is not a matter of vanishing yourself. it is a matter of forcing the op to turn the radar off. |
19:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:17:18; nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar |
19:56 |
asciilifeform |
^^^ |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
his desire to own a cnc mill is a result of his desire to own a nuke, which is a result of his desire to go "either you stick to this rule or i kill you" |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
which is necessary. |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain. |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
glhf. |
19:56 |
asciilifeform |
dustcoin? |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot i have nfi lol |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time. |
19:59 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:07; nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ... be my slavegirls << in that case, |
19:59 |
* |
asciilifeform recommeds that mircea_popescu start collecting slavegirls who are handy with systems programming. though the trouble may be that ones of the correct vintage (no later than early '80s) are probably beginning to spoil... |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
it is a matter of need : in order to ensure your space you must control whole chains. there's no escaping this, and so someone will have to. nobody particularly has a desire to run a cnc mill or an ic fab, but if one wants working software, one has to. and so it flows. |
20:00 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform a naked woman can be taught anything if you're willing to break an uncountable set of sticks. |
20:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: teach'em, why not |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the part that's worth teaching is easy to teach, and unrelated to intelligence. |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the part you won't teach them shouldn't be taught anyway. |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: wake me up when they get kernel |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
"how to make this counterintuitive sht work ? " "don't." |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
wake me up when they build a fab. |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
y u wanna sleep so much. |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
even a 'fairchild' circa '70s fab. |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
practicing for cemetary. |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
i hear sleep is the main order of business there. |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i never hear of anyone flunk the cemetery. |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
scarcely any need to practice then. |
20:02 |
mod6 |
so re: all the uint32_t, sorry that you're all having problems with this. I guess I missed a lot of stuff. |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: read the log. i fixed it, only to reveal a mega-bug |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 do you have any idea why your thing compiled it ? |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
where none of the 'static' stuff actually worked ever. |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, read whole log, |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
will post patch for 'fix' in a spell. gotta change clothes first. |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
problem, currently, is that no one but me seems to be able to replicate this! |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box? |
20:04 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: nope. none. my deb6 environments (yes more than one) all compiled it fine with gcc 4.4.5. i didn't have problems on gentoo either fwiw. but not sure what the gentoo AMI had for a compiler. my guess is that I was fooled by gcc. |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 the question is : why has your compiler not complained about an undefined symbol |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
given tyhe symbol is in fact undefined. |
20:04 |
mod6 |
no good answers there. |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
its mother is, "what else is your compiler putting in you don't know about" |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
^^^ |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and their joint horrible twin sister being, "hey, turns out so called static builds aren't even static" |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
^^^^ |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
by now we have a family of these monsters, which is very worrisome,. |
20:05 |
mod6 |
i think, maybe im not the right guy for this. or at minimum, I need someone who can look over my shoulder on this. there's no way we should have these issues 5 months into a project. |
20:05 |
* |
asciilifeform lays off the poor ^ key |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
but mircea_popescu has it. |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
in spades. |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
i take it mircea_popescu is a gcc-bug-virgin |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
or - was |
20:06 |
mod6 |
mp: im not sure I follow |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform there's bugs and there's bugs. |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 from which point ? |
20:06 |
mod6 |
I don't know why it worked for me. |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: rms is long in the tooth, old, and endlessly hammered by clean-shaven fools who don't eat 'toe jam' and spit in his face |
20:06 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! << here. what? |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 what i'm saying is, this stuff would not reasonably be expected by you, nor is it a function of the project. |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
for all we know, 'toe jam' is a micronutrient |
20:06 |
mod6 |
i guess it was doing something strange on my end, or maybe debian 6 has something strange it does? |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it looks more like very major issues with gcc itself. |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
one without which a decent compiler is quite impossible. |
20:07 |
* |
mod6 reads scroll back |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the issues cut deeper than gcc. we are dealing with what ilkka kokkarinen called 'unprincipled exception', where something is allowed to stay broken because fixing it would break 10,000 other things. |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform why i'd kinda like to get to the bottom of this. |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform unprincipled exceptions are fine IF DOCUMENTED |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the undocumented unprincipled exception is something entirely different. |
20:08 |
asciilifeform |
it is also possible that i am somehow mistaken about all of this |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the only way to find out is to hammer the things that worked until we know why the fuck they worked. |
20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform incidentally, ever published the recipe to obtain that "statically linked is not statically linked" error ? |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
but regardless, i have at least two dozen proggies on this here box that -have- to be built with gcc x.y.z or else |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
it is nothing new to the veteran turd-shoveler. |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the recipe consists of attempting to build it on either of my boxes after patched to fix the integer thing |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
people derping about how "bitcoin will fail because tis or that" are such fucking idiots, incidentally. COMPUTING NEVER WORKED. |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
if that were the criteria... |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what's the peculiarities of said boxes ? |
20:10 |
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asciilifeform cranks out patch |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
how would someone reproduce it ? |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: posted earlier in thread |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
about to post more detail |
20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
k |
20:11 |
mod6 |
<+ascii_field> has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? << i never did, this could be a problem too |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083026 << is this something along the lines of "nothing bad can happen to me im a nice person minding my own biznis" ? |
20:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:26:52; funkenstein_: i don't see this giant |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
those'd only have one conceivably. |
20:12 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work << i think going forward this is the only thing we'll support/build from/work on, something that we agree is "good" |
20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah but how deep does it go |
20:14 |
NewLiberty |
April fools, or no? http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/ |
20:14 |
assbot |
Yanis Varoufakis: "Greece to Adopt the Bitcoin If Eurogroup Doesn't Give Us a Deal" | GreekReporter.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5NtSo ) |
20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083060 << yeah there's no mistake there. |
20:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:37:17; ascii_field: mistook?! |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
NewLiberty never heard of the site, so... |
20:15 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? << yup. one virtual box deb 6 vm, one aws deb6 AMI and a friend had a separate deb6 ami. my gentoo testing was on gentoo aws AMI also. |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so it wouldn't have an openssl other than what auto.sh makes |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
unless there's a magic one ? |
20:16 |
mod6 |
i can take a look at mine in xxd, just a moment. |
20:16 |
mod6 |
(the virtualbox one, in particular.) |
20:17 |
hanbot |
asciilifeform> maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box? << would love to help out, unfortunately i haven't managed to get it working quite yet. |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083088 << wait, *I* have to balance my budget ? |
20:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-04-2015 22:43:56; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?! |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck that shit, obama is the blessed child of the heavens, can run deficits ? |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what sort of contest is this ? |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
i am happy to announce that for the fy 2014 serenissima ran a whopping 5798796857967496834% deficit |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
all voluntarily contributed. |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the contemplated policy going forward. |
20:20 |
mod6 |
someone also mentioned that we (the bitcoin foundation) should host the openssl, bdb, and boost libs on our website for dl. i decided against that as i like someone to feel like they're getting a copy from the originator. (this is from yesterday) |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah that someone was me |
20:20 |
mod6 |
so that's why that isthe way it is. |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason i proposed that is because i have no doubt the "originators" will sooner or later run away with the code. |
20:21 |
mod6 |
fair assessment. i thought the same thing at first, and even had all the libs on our site. then started thinking conversely about it. |
20:22 |
mod6 |
we can change that up. that's easy enough. |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
jurov!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
not like people can't pull them from the source. |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
it ate it |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
motherfucker |
20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
think of it as a cache or something. |
20:22 |
mod6 |
sure |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
and then i put it in a tarball and signed |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
and STILL ATE IT |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
jurov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
20:24 |
jurov |
asciilifeform sigh. it expects a clearsigned text, not just attachments with detached sigs |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
i thought signed text can replace body |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
(NO I WILL NOT manually trim the line lengths of the compiler barf.) |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
and i don't -want- them trimmed |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
i want that thing to display as it would from my fucking disk. |
20:26 |
jurov |
no that's fine, just put short clearsigned comment what are the other attachments about |
20:35 |
mod6 |
fuck |
20:35 |
mod6 |
so i dunno, but this doensn't look right: http://dpaste.com/1HRAZ5V.txt |
20:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CyRtai ) |
20:37 |
mod6 |
my deb machine was installed in december, but maybe the system wide OpenSSL 1.0.1g was upgraded in feb. The version the system wide gives me is April 7 2014. The xxd output looks like its indicating the one from the system. |
20:37 |
mod6 |
*sigh* |
20:37 |
mod6 |
brb |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
!s devil pay love him |
20:43 |
assbot |
2 results for 'devil pay love him' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=devil+pay+love+him |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
mothefucker. the two results lead to... referneces, without actual link, of the original. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform happen to recall original ? |
20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ found for later. |
20:46 |
assbot |
Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqoKb6 ) |
20:48 |
mod6 |
so if that's not working as expected, I (we) need help getting the makefile in order so that it does this correctly & the auto.sh script if that's part of the problem also. |
20:48 |
mod6 |
obviously, i don't have a clue as to what's going on there. |
20:51 |
ben_vulpes |
mod6: how does that dpaste indicate the system ssl? |
20:52 |
ben_vulpes |
i don't know how to read xxd output at all |
20:52 |
mod6 |
'OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7' << is probably referring to the output seen here: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014 |
20:52 |
mod6 |
I don't know for sure though. |
20:53 |
mod6 |
alf might know. i bet it's the wrong goddamn one |
20:56 |
ben_vulpes |
isn't that the release date of 1.0.1g? |
20:56 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/ |
20:56 |
assbot |
OpenSSL: Old 1.0.1 Releases ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyUS8S ) |
20:56 |
ben_vulpes |
the version of openssl you and alf found to not wedge bitcoind? |
20:57 |
mod6 |
my hunch is that this is not working as expected. I need alf to verify for me. |
20:58 |
mod6 |
or help me verify |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: can delete 2nd post, it is redundant |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
or zap it all, i'll resend in a sec |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html |
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21:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DqpJIo ) |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
^ finally. |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu et al ^ |
21:02 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: is there a definitive way to check the binary for which SSL is linked in? |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: readelf |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
but! |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
i think this only works for DYNAMIC |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
cannot possibly work for static build. |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
which is one of the penalties for going static |
21:03 |
mod6 |
did you see my paste? |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
the only way to know what's in a static build is a disassembler, a stead hand, a thermos of coffee, and some familiarity with the constituent parts |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
*steady hand |
21:05 |
mod6 |
yeah i get nothing from these: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl |
21:05 |
mod6 |
root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i SSL |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
and you won't. |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
because - elementarily - static. |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
that means it's all ground beef. |
21:05 |
mod6 |
ok got it. |
21:05 |
mod6 |
so need to run in gdb and disassemble. |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
try turning debug symbols back on |
21:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> which is one of the penalties for going static << The most important part of a turkey sandwich is the ham |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
then might get something from the DWARF data. |
21:06 |
mod6 |
next part here... in your email, it seems that you apply your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch", and this doesnt seem to completely solve it... |
21:06 |
mod6 |
there is another error beyond that one?? |
21:06 |
asciilifeform |
read whole thing plz |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
after the words 'Let's try that build again:' |
21:08 |
mod6 |
yeah,it's weird. it seemed to puke on this: |
21:08 |
mod6 |
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl |
21:08 |
mod6 |
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto |
21:10 |
decimation |
^ openssl failed to build/install |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
it built |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
this is the static build, remember! |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
it built. |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
and is exactly where it was supposed to go. |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
this is the auto.sh build. |
21:11 |
decimation |
that's a good point, why is ld complaining |
21:12 |
asciilifeform |
or hm, no it isn't. |
21:12 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's not retarded having a manifest with it dood. |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
missed this because the dir was there, and with some contents |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
but not the whole thing. |
21:13 |
decimation |
dynamic libraries are the depressing result of the c-machine's sad attempt to have a global namespace |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
decimation has it |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> cannot possibly work for static build. << this. |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
the only reasonable way to go forward at this point would be a) edit the source of the ssl we intend to use to include a magic string ; b) make ; c) strings on the binary. |
21:14 |
asciilifeform |
or turn debug on. |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
then objdump. |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
im not sure i'd trust it. hey, if gcc is dubious ? |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
cms.pod around line 457: Expected text after =item, not a number |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
cms.pod around line 461: Expected text after =item, not a number |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
cms.pod around line 465: Expected text after =item, not a number |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
cms.pod around line 470: Expected text after =item, not a number |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
cms.pod around line 474: Expected text after =item, not a number |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
POD document had syntax errors at /usr/bin/pod2man line 71. |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
make: *** [install_docs] Error 1 |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
^ how openssl dies. |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
in general this is the golden pill to defeat "general purpose" poisoned compiler, that auto-pulls the magic diddled dependency : put a x = "hash" in the code, compile, see if it included it. |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
note that it died a mostly silent death, buried beneath a torrent of barf from other compiles |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
and auto.sh did not notice. |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ultimately we audit the bins |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: there is no escape from this. |
21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"/home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/asio/detail/impl/socket_ops.ipp:2900: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" |
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21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
this is seriously a bigger deal than whatever obama fucking derped today. |
21:16 |
decimation |
that's a common bug |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
(i sorta do this for a living. but no one should take only my word for things.) |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation tell ? |
21:17 |
* |
asciilifeform off to pet pet, bbl |
21:17 |
decimation |
if I recall the getaddrinfo calls up the resolv.conf apparatus |
21:18 |
decimation |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2725255/create-statically-linked-binary-that-uses-getaddrinfo <glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration. |
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21:18 |
assbot |
c - Create statically-linked binary that uses getaddrinfo? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyYzvl ) |
21:18 |
decimation |
ie it loads 'binary plugins' by design |
21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically the problem there is that it says it's static but links dynamically ? |
21:18 |
decimation |
I gather the warning means that it will probably work on the system on which it is built but if you move it to a different system (the binary) you might not be able to resolve dns properly |
21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking dns. |
21:19 |
decimation |
yes, the traditional glibc/dns client shit is quite turdly |
21:20 |
decimation |
but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
which then inspires idiocy in stuff like wordpress. "hey, open ddos amplification is industry standard!!11" |
21:21 |
decimation |
yes, exactly |
21:23 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers << Software names make this shit weird because there was ntpd which had this problem and openntpd which to my knowledge didn't |
21:24 |
decimation |
ntpd was a somewhat misguided attempt to turn unix into a 'scientific instrument' |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/01/how_to_spaff_240_million_by_going_organic/ |
21:24 |
assbot |
Nuclear waste spill: How a pro-organic push sparked $240m blunder • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyZCLJ ) |
21:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.00026088 = 19.3051 BTC [+] |
21:26 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ |
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21:26 |
decimation |
lol |
21:26 |
decimation |
"But enough of such simplicities, let us now turn our attention to the real headscratcher. The source of that drum was Los Alamos, which is largely – but by no means exclusively – a nuclear weapons lab. And we have someone there who apparently preferentially purchases organically. A" |
21:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Oppenheimer himself was enough of a hippy to go on the "bad" list |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
21:53 |
ben_vulpes |
so what *is* the #b-a sanctioned os? |
21:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41002 @ 0.00026089 = 10.697 BTC [+] {2} |
21:55 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: without a full deturding of a stack there likely can not be a single one blessed OS |
21:56 |
ben_vulpes |
at the end of the day, man must compute |
21:57 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: I use rhel because I know it |
21:57 |
decimation |
but rhel 7 may end that |
21:57 |
ben_vulpes |
how did you come to rhel? |
21:57 |
decimation |
it was used in my day job, became a habit |
21:58 |
decimation |
although I agree with folks who assert that redhat is gov't influenced, I also think that there is something to the idea of freezing a baseline and keeping it stable |
22:00 |
BingoBoingo |
OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT |
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22:00 |
decimation |
my issue with openbsd is relatively poor hardware support |
22:00 |
decimation |
but that's a function of their focus |
22:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 291751 @ 0.00025271 = 73.7284 BTC [-] {3} |
22:01 |
BingoBoingo |
I had to replace the wifi card in this machine at a cost of $25, but that was not a dealbreaker. It's the other weird that prevents wholesale recommendation. It to asciilifeform's disappoint lacks an Ada |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
wat |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
what machine |
22:03 |
decimation |
why can't you build gcc/gnat? |
22:03 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: daily work beast |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo's ? |
22:03 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: OpenBSD does not have a working ada in its ports that I could discover |
22:03 |
ben_vulpes |
nvm i think i'm off-thread |
22:03 |
BingoBoingo |
If I want to revert to Nigbuntu or a linux, Sure I can get an Ada. |
22:03 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: what linux/unix are you most familiar with? |
22:04 |
ben_vulpes |
"os x" |
22:04 |
decimation |
heh |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it has gcc. build with ada included in --enable-languages |
22:04 |
ben_vulpes |
feelsbad.png |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
this should also work on crapple |
22:04 |
decimation |
I made a bug report on macports recently, was told to fix myself |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
(assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) |
22:04 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I'll add that on the 5.7 release to do list |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: not related to what we were doing though... |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
or to openbsd |
22:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> (assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) << It seems they use a... modified GCC |
22:05 |
decimation |
I'm sure you can get ada working on osx but it's not as simple as 'port install gnat' |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
(when i do the thing that requires the ada, it won't be happening on openbsd. or gentoo) |
22:05 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: buildroot? |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
no |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
iron. |
22:05 |
decimation |
actually some folks have tried to build ada kernel |
22:06 |
decimation |
as in no os? |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
this is easier than it sounds |
22:06 |
* |
BingoBoingo was going to pick up an UltraSparc box this month, but the Chimp in Chief has forced a revision of all my budget priorities |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
because ada spec -includes a scheduler- |
22:06 |
decimation |
yeah, basically single main() loop |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
not same as a naked main() in c |
22:06 |
decimation |
that's nice |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
you get civilization. |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
the comforts of home. |
22:07 |
ben_vulpes |
heh. |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
;;google ada ravenscar |
22:07 |
gribble |
Ravenscar profile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenscar_profile>; Guide for the use of the Ada Ravenscar Profile in high ... - SIGAda: <http://www.sigada.org/ada_letters/jun2004/ravenscar_article.pdf>; The SPARK Ravenscar Profile - AdaCore: <http://docs.adacore.com/sparkdocs-docs/Examiner_Ravenscar.htm> |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
^ all the detail you could ever wish for. |
22:08 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: is your medium-term goal to cross compile bitcoind with buildroot? |
22:08 |
ben_vulpes |
forgive my *staggering* thickness |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: aha |
22:08 |
ben_vulpes |
(is it in the set of whatever whatever) |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: but you are running ahead of the class even here. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
i actually sat down that time to properly fix the bastard blocks thing |
22:09 |
ben_vulpes |
my hero! |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
wanted to build an instrumented version of bitcoind for this |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
on ordinary machine. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
with nothing fancy or crosscompilatory whatsoever. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
and ended here. |
22:09 |
ben_vulpes |
putting bitcoind on pogo. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
i realize that i could do this just as well with my old traditional build. |
22:09 |
ben_vulpes |
somehow. |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
but there is a Release ! |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
and wanted my patches, when any, to diff -from it- |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
not from the old crap |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
because that's sorta what releases are for |
22:10 |
ben_vulpes |
what version was your "old crap"? |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
included all the patches but the static-build stuff |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
well, all the accepted patches plus my unaccepted integer fix patch (not today's, but the earlier one in portatron) |
22:12 |
ben_vulpes |
which was the integer patch again? |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch |
22:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm ) |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
that one |
22:14 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://www.brendangregg.com/linuxperf.html < You can kinda run 'dtrace' on linux with his scripts |
22:14 |
assbot |
Linux Performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6gHkT ) |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
the ancestral 'strace' works for me |
22:14 |
decimation |
yeah that's the lion's share of it |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
but we're talking about a b0rk3d -build- |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
not run. |
22:15 |
decimation |
ah |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, my own portatronic build did not work without this patch. |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/security-openssl-build-failure.41478 |
22:18 |
assbot |
security/openssl build failure | The FreeBSD Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/19LHFzl ) |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
Motherfuckers. |
22:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu check it out ^ |
22:20 |
* |
BingoBoingo naive, insufficiently initiated here, but how does 0.5.3.1 build with libressl portable 2.0 or later on a linux? |
22:21 |
mod6 |
it probably does not |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i have not tried it |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: but recall the thread where mircea_popescu demanded mathematical proof. |
22:21 |
decimation |
I remember fixing that by turning off docs |
22:21 |
ben_vulpes |
BingoBoingo: i recently got an itch to try that myself |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ? |
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22:21 |
asciilifeform |
who wants to maintain it ? |
22:22 |
ben_vulpes |
join the glorious open source archaelogy project of #bitcoin-assets |
22:22 |
ben_vulpes |
"does the sub fly if i tape this jet engine to it?" |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034840 |
22:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-02-2015 21:33:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence. |
22:22 |
BingoBoingo |
I suggest this not as a solution to the OpenSSL turdation and version hell, but as a way to identify which parts of OpenSSL turdify unforgivably |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it is, to use my technical term, a spittoon. |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
!s spittoon |
22:22 |
assbot |
24 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon |
22:23 |
decimation |
If you look at how redhat 'maintains' a baseline of code, you find that they pile up patches as shit breaks |
22:23 |
* |
BingoBoingo only gave chewing tobacco 3 weeks as a habit before returning to smoked tobacco |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the patches reliably break, in their turn, other things |
22:23 |
decimation |
indeed, which require more patches |
22:24 |
decimation |
this kinda 'works' when you are trying to keep a somewhat frozen baseline |
22:24 |
decimation |
not so much if you want to add any features |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
which is why that human turd jon callas kept going on and on about how 'real security patches, even against user's will, because updates are the most important thing in security' |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism |
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22:24 |
decimation |
^ real security is designed without bugs |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
and is meta-designed to make this thinkable and practical. |
22:25 |
decimation |
but as long as 'we' are maintaining someone else's code it's pretty much inevitible to fall into the hole |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
we never got out of it |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
were always in the hole. |
22:25 |
decimation |
indeed. |
22:28 |
decimation |
related > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/saag/current/msg02142.html |
22:28 |
assbot |
Re: [saag] Algorithms/modes requested by users/customers ... ( http://bit.ly/19LIN65 ) |
22:30 |
decimation |
"Compare this to the example I gave earlier of performing a TLS exchange with Amazon. This performs an in-depth test of all the crypto algorithms (corresponding to the FIPS algorithm tests, including ones that FIPS ignores), and the crypto mechanisms (many/most of which FIPS again ignores). In other words simply by connecting to Amazon using TLS and ordering a "Scrubs" DVD for |
22:30 |
decimation |
$19.95 I'm getting more comprehensive algorithm testing than I can for a five-figure sum with the FIPS algorithm tests." |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
the tests are a chump tax charged on folks peddling turdware to usg and friends |
22:31 |
decimation |
aye, because usg 'requires' it |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
exceptions free for the asking for 'favourite sons' of course |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
you will never hear of northrop or lockheed losing a contract from failing to pass 'fips' etc |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
see the case of the 'drone' pinched in iran, which was gps-spoofable because crypto was omitted entirely |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
which 'fips' did -it- pass. |
22:32 |
decimation |
lol even apple plays the game http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-6-granted-fips-140-2-approved-for-u-s-government-use/ |
22:32 |
assbot |
iOS 6 granted FIPS 140-2, approved for U.S. government use | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/19LJ8Wl ) |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
of course it plays |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
being a dept of usg |
22:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133000 @ 0.0002609 = 34.6997 BTC [+] |
22:33 |
decimation |
"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of U.S. Homeland Security, said it would pull the plug on its 17,600 employee BlackBerrys and favor iPhones instead. The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
(there is no private industry, in the traditional sense, in usg-dom. nothing larger than a hotdog stand, certainly.) |
22:33 |
ben_vulpes |
oh, humbug. |
22:33 |
ben_vulpes |
maybe not where you live. |
22:34 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
nowhere. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
see tlp's piece. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
say ben_vulpes sells aluminum siding. by the gigatonne. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
private? |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
but then look - who buys it? with what ? |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
and for what. |
22:35 |
ben_vulpes |
i dunno man, new relic isn't terrifically dependent on government purchases. |
22:35 |
ben_vulpes |
salesforce either. |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
<ben_vulpes> maybe not where you live. << You may know there where, but not the how to look |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
is mickey-d usg ? |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
no one who walks in, likely is usg. certainly not official procurer |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
but where do the clientele get their dough ? |
22:36 |
ben_vulpes |
"everything comes from the government" my arse |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: take jupiter. |
22:36 |
ben_vulpes |
what now? |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
while not everything in the solar system 'comes from jupiter' - he has a say in what happens. |
22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> is mickey-d usg ? << When I worked there after Library school frozen meat cam in boxes labeled Cargill, member of Carlisle group, indicted somewhat in Farenheit-911 |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
and nothing can be meaningfully described without him. |
22:37 |
ben_vulpes |
modern fascist state permutation of all aspects of life. |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
"National Socialism"(TM) |
22:37 |
ben_vulpes |
plenty happens beyond its domain. its domain, as was the french, is vastly less broad and strong than it thinks. |
22:38 |
decimation |
'the mountains are high and the emperor is far away' |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
^ pre-telegraph - was true |
22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Perhaps re-read http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm though beast has a dissciative mental disorder and this brave soul reporting suffers isolation the thread doesn't tear |
22:39 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/19LJT1u ) |
22:41 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan << And no one knows how tenous their connection is as Force, Carl Mark IV can likely attest |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
<ben_vulpes> salesforce either << usg is not the post office. usg is precisely the folks who perpetrate things such as 'salesforce.' |
22:41 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: "Among the purposes of 'Snowden' - who never 'stole' any documents - is to increase the sense of terrorism and blackmail among governments; " < to believe this is to travel through the looking-glass |
22:41 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: aha! |
22:43 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: I have never seen pills colored #FF000 nor #0000FF even when observing pharmacy school slide decks for two years |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083462 << there you go mr budget :D |
22:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-04-2015 01:26:21; scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ |
22:45 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Snowden is not a person with Agency, yet he has handlers who are Agents. |
22:45 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: note that china knows how this game works; is taking 'possession' of the south china sea |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083475 << really a minor point. |
22:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-04-2015 02:00:00; BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation im very much left wondering by asciilifeform's ideas about china. i dunno that it's in any sense comensal with the us. |
22:46 |
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22:48 |
decimation |
well, china has a relatively small core of 'managers', usg is really a headless beast |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(commensal = eating at same table) |
22:51 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I know openbsd has a plan for governance post-Theo. The exact plans are opaque to me. It would be abberant for Beck to naturally outlive Theo, but... known unknown |
22:51 |
nubbins` |
hi |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
no u |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "I can verify that downgrading to Perl 5.16 works." uh ?! |
23:01 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform haven't peeked at your latest mail yet, but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error |
23:01 |
nubbins` |
but there's another error right before that, almost missed it. |
23:01 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k |
23:01 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/19LMatO ) |
23:01 |
nubbins` |
bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:30: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token |
23:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Twitter was very sad today https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/583117607777243136 |
23:02 |
assbot |
It turns out the photo of 4-year-old Syrian girl surrendering to a camera is real, not faked. http://t.co/7Vw3MoGWGN http://t.co/RsiQhJWDPS |
23:02 |
* |
BingoBoingo waits for Vatican to invade Damascus |
23:03 |
nubbins` |
rename it davatican |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
23:04 |
nubbins` |
here all night. |
23:05 |
nubbins` |
but really though, the closest stable gcc version to mod6's 4.4.5 that portage still carries is 4.4.7 |
23:05 |
nubbins` |
i'm gonna give that a shit |
23:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Also here apparently is what BuzzDave is up to atm, would rewrite but drinking my drink before crisis budget hits tommorrow. http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/ |
23:05 |
assbot |
Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMOaF ) |
23:05 |
nubbins` |
tbh gentoo is the odd one out here, which is curious |
23:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148250 @ 0.00025289 = 37.4909 BTC [-] |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083563 << you don't understand : we already ARE stuck with this. want it or not. |
23:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-04-2015 02:21:46; asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ? |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare : |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
thjaty's it. |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo da force gotta know what to steal, right ? |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
usg doing a splendid job of getting the muppets do the "case da joint" work for free. |
23:08 |
decimation |
^ french housewives enforced the various 'maximums' |
23:08 |
* |
BingoBoingo actually affected by MP's deed of the day. lacks assets for USG to steal |
23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
*minimally effected |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error << apply the -other- patch. the one from 2hrs ago. |
23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083580 << it's a leonard cohenism. |
23:09 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-04-2015 02:24:41; asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism |
23:09 |
nubbins` |
yeah, just checking that now |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y |
23:10 |
assbot |
Leonard Cohen - Democracy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1akZOFs ) |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
hm... check that out, actually it isn't. he has a "coming through a hole in the air", thing. and there's an excellent "the night comes on. it's very clam. i'd like to imagine my father was wrong..." very powerful verse somewhere else. |
23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess i contributed the mix. dj mp. |
23:11 |
nubbins` |
heh |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations << this is, to use the 'manosphere' term of art, a 'shit test' |
23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
... but you don't wanna lie... not to the yo-oung... |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who doesn't send them off to pound sand up arse - has bowed to usg |
23:12 |
nubbins` |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkyiu3GZ8eQ |
23:12 |
assbot |
Leonard Cohen - Love Calls You By Your Name - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1al08E5 ) |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's probably useful in building the lists of who can be dekulakized willingly. |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno if anyone here other than hanbot will be familiar with BuzzDave's MO, building ASIC mining farm at any budget, whether feeds scamzors or not in the process irrelevant |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
list of who doesn't even consider it dekulakization - merely owner coming 'back' to take what is 'his', that he merely let you store in safekeeping for a spell. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
if you built a miner, 'you didn't build that' |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking. |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter. |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu has it |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
this has more immediate implications than commandeering mere jet factory. |
23:14 |
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BingoBoingo knows of no circumstantial evidence that suggest USG proxy more than exists for BuzzDave. |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo we're talking more "coming years" than "situation atm" here. |
23:15 |
decimation |
parts of usg would gravely protest other parts of usg minting non-usd |
23:15 |
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BingoBoingo imagines in this instance lizards sacrificing CoinBase cred in swap to offer cred to Dave |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
". The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." << how to get 20k ipads for 100 bucks each ? |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation this is not going away. the usg's hunger for btc far exceeds its hunger for anything else COMBINED. |
23:20 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: perhaps, but to fully realize it usg would have to publicly destroy the dollar bezzle |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
you act from this strange notion of perfect knowledge. |
23:20 |
decimation |
who is gonna want to be paid in dollars while the fed is hoarding bitcoin |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone ? |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think you appreciate how stupid people are. |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
who wants to fuck with an ipad when there's a perfectly usable desktop ? |
23:21 |
decimation |
I suppose the same holds roughly true with gold |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
who wants "drm coffee machine" ? |
23:21 |
nubbins` |
EVERYONE |
23:21 |
nubbins` |
:D |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
who, pray tell me, eats the shit it eats that it just shat ? |
23:21 |
decimation |
but the sheer fact of usg's gold's possession 'made' it the reserve currency |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the sheer fact of the b-a of the time made it. the usg follows in all dances. never yet lead, never will lead. |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
once those went away... well... |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well... |
23:23 |
decimation |
the 'headless beast' is hard to kill but easy to misguide |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
what are you going to kill lol, bilge water ? |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"i am arthur son of uther pendragon, defeater of the molds, killer of the bilge water!" |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
more like ants. |
23:25 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xT8ezS6b |
23:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1al2ymg ) |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
who hasn't killed an ant colony |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
im off ! laters. |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: there we go |
23:26 |
decimation |
one could imagine killing an ant colony, but not all ants on a continent |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
as decimation helpfully pointed out ~1hr ago, ssl didn't build |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
see log as to why. |
23:26 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os' |
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23:26 |
nubbins` |
"glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration." |
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23:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: probably winblows |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat' |
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23:27 |
decimation |
nubbins`: no that's a different issue, not critical |
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23:27 |
asciilifeform |
'doesn't everyone?' |
23:27 |
decimation |
heh yeah 'mingw' |
23:27 |
decimation |
'I really like visual c++' |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: this was after my (today's) patch ? |
23:27 |
nubbins` |
yep |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: what do you get without it ? |
23:28 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k |
23:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1al2YJn ) |
23:28 |
nubbins` |
i'm in lockstep with you, seems |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: wait |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
that's without -any- patches of mine? |
23:28 |
nubbins` |
no |
23:29 |
nubbins` |
with the portatronic patch. |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
ok so nubbins` has what i have. |
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23:29 |
* |
nubbins` coughs, scratches arm |
23:29 |
nubbins` |
it's real bad, man |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
23:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209550 @ 0.0002609 = 54.6716 BTC [+] |
23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
This is BingoBoingo and welcome to day one of Axe time |
23:31 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it strikes me that a handy product would be a little ada microcontroller with an implementation of rsa |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: afaik there were never dedicated ada silicon |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
though it would have made sense (bounds checking, etc. a la lisp machine) |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
ada, like lisp, is not a language. it is merely a kind of void left by removing retardation. |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence. |
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23:34 |
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BingoBoingo unsure how to handle axe time behind enemy lines |
23:34 |
decimation |
well, the point is that a fairly rigorous device could be made |
23:35 |
decimation |
and I suggest that key material is loaded with: paper card |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i did suggest paper card at one point. |
23:35 |
decimation |
yeah I think I recall. like the 'Fialka' machine http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/card.htm |
23:35 |
assbot |
Fialka ... ( http://bit.ly/1al47jU ) |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
like every '40s machine. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
and even '80s in many cases (u.s. naval crypto used paper cards until '90 or so) |
23:36 |
decimation |
easily human inspection AND comparison |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
of keys. |
23:37 |
decimation |
yes. |
23:37 |
decimation |
the trouble is getting enough 'holes' on a reasonable size paper |
23:43 |
decimation |
the "fialka" grid is only 30x30 |
23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
If this is what axe time is like /me wonders about sword time survivability |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
'Warning: never connect this 3-pin male plug (24V DC) to the 3-pin female plug (230V AC) of the mains cable. Due to bad design, it fits perfectly, but supplies the mains voltage to the 24V input of the cipher machine, causing permanent damage to the cipher machine. Be warned!' << l0l |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu must have been thinking of this machine the other day. |
23:46 |
decimation |
heh |
23:49 |
decimation |
heh it's not a particularly fancy circuit |
23:49 |
decimation |
the psu |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
check out the 'tempest' psu. |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm |
23:49 |
assbot |
PSU ... ( http://bit.ly/1al6TG5 ) |
23:50 |
decimation |
ah yeah that's more useful |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
funny how they gave a damn re: tempest on a fucking ROTOR CRYPTO MACHINE |
23:50 |
decimation |
heh |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
crackable in about thirty seconds on 'commodore 64' |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
and why, precisely, does it need the digital output ? |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
in the -power supply- |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
wtf. |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations |
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23:52 |
decimation |
simply swap the right parts... |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
'Although it may seem unnecessary, the data socket (marked МАШИНА II) must be connected, as otherwise the machine will not work. This is done to ensure the use of the TEMPEST feature (see below). ' << seems to imply that it was a straight pass-through |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
to force dumb orcs to use it |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
instead of the old-fashioned power supply. |
23:53 |
asciilifeform |
clever. |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm#circuit << tries to prevent differential power analysis |
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23:54 |
assbot |
PSU ... ( http://bit.ly/1al7AiE ) |
23:54 |
decimation |
surely someone in the 'unreliable nation' would have had suspicions |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
so 'tempest' is mistake in terminology here |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
shame on'em. |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
(on 'cryptomuseum') |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
i see now that it was not a pass-through |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
you actually need this to retrofit constant-power |
23:56 |
decimation |
"The value of the dummy-load resistors is choosen carefully, so that they the circuit draws the same current as the solenoids. As a result, the PSU will not only supply a constant voltage, but will also consume a constant current" < this seems dubious on production units |
23:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87700 @ 0.00026091 = 22.8818 BTC [+] {2} |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: you can see the trimpots |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
plausible. |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
but, |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
'In some of the circuits, 2TC613 ICs are used [1]. Each of these ICs contains four transistors, They belong to one of the first generations of Russian ICs.' << another howler |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
that is -not- an integrated circuit in the modern sense! |
23:57 |
decimation |
was that one of your 'tiny pcbs in a tin'? |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023292 |
23:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-02-2015 06:16:02; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
them. |
23:58 |
decimation |
I like the 30 mil traces |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
they didn't solder by machine, aha. |
23:58 |
decimation |
plus had to drive solenoids |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
having a printed circuit in this machine at all was 'high tech' |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, |