#trilema | 2015-04-01

apparently gentoo works a lot better when all your packages are up to date. this is about where my advice ends, i've been using it for a whole three days now ;p

00:11

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hanbot is used to spraying updates with fire&loathing, good to know

00:17

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nubbins` sighs, attempts 3rd cross-toolchain build of the day

00:17

now with more options enabled (tm)

00:29

hanbot: paste fart emitted from emerge

00:29

er nvm

00:30

looks like it's working

00:33

well it's certainly toiling. it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining meanwhile.

00:38

!s faust

00:38

1 results for 'faust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=faust

00:41

among friends of mine, we refer to gentoo as "gentoo quest" and for good reason

00:41

not so much an OS as a linux RPG

00:41

teaches you a lot

00:42

trinque: Ever play with pre-v10 slowaris?

00:43

BingoBoingo: not at all; fun in the same ways?

00:44

trinque: Best contrast I can find to OpenBSD. Gentoo is pure (theoretical)Linus-linux. Slowaris and OpenBSD are both... different

00:47

BingoBoingo: this I think is the saddest thing about fuck-ups like systemd, "cram everything into one program" is not novel. I wouldn't mind trying unix-like systems which *actually* tried something (novelly) different

00:47

trinque: Seriously. Busybox is boring. Complete dominion over memory functions as Obsd does, cool

00:52

hanbot: no, they can't be ignored

00:53

<hanbot> ... it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining << half the addiction potential of gentoo right there

00:53

like watching a garden grow, if you could do so in real time

00:54

<BingoBoingo> ... Busybox is boring. << it wasn't built to be interesting, but to take up the least space possible while still doing, approximately, the job.

00:55

asciilifeform: Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades

00:55

essentially cut-down versions of all the customary userland utils but rolled into one binary, which then gets called from tiny scripts each of which pretends to be, e.g., 'top' or 'ls'

00:55

BingoBoingo: it makes for a largely usable box. boot up 'turdel', try it.

00:56

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BingoBoingo is short on undedicated boxes of purpose and needs to start renting VPS's or hope BTC host starts

00:56

did you ever even use all the possible flags for 'less' anyway.

00:56

asciilifeform: I suck at both more and less

00:57

the distinction between separate programs and well-separated functions isn't a huge one

00:57

busybox fucks up not by "doing all the things" but by intertangling all the things

00:57

*could fuck up

00:57

obligatory classic: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971

00:57

Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yygoqH )

00:58

so as long as the commands it's providing aren't insanely tangled, no big deal

00:58

'busybox' is closer to the smaller incarnations

00:58

I think some might look at it and compare it to the systemd situation

00:58

where one codebase is providing a ton of functionality

00:58

trinque: the only possible point of comparison is the swiss army knife aspect

00:58

yep, totally appropriate tool in an appropriate situation

00:58

but these aren't processes crammed into one box

00:59

these are fucking utils

00:59

that run in shots

00:59

Alpine Linux looks interesting, but... before I return to linux I want to spend more time in weirdix full time

01:00

BingoBoingo: thing is, if you understand how to use 'buildroot' you no longer need distros

01:00

(though i do like 'portage' more than hand-waltzing every proggy. if only marginally.)

01:01

who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway?

01:01

asks quite a few questions for a random fella.

01:02

<asciilifeform> who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? << Vexual, especially coherent tonight

01:02

BingoBoingo: how you know? did he sign ?

01:03

asciilifeform: PM behavior pattern. Not strongest authentication, kinda suspicious, but psych profile almost checks

01:03

!up ebriusinanis

01:04

incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc)

01:04

its my katin name

01:04

*latin

01:05

<asciilifeform> incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) << I'm not sure moiety isn't undead and normant.

01:05

pankakke would like these logs

01:06

pankakke is weird.

01:06

pankakke knows what his keys are worth and that is a lot

01:07

fail rages him

01:07

BingoBoingo: only worth, hypothetically, in the hands of a skilled operative

01:07

who could convincingly (let's dream) pretend to be a 'prodigal son'

01:08

asciilifeform: The problem with pankakke keys is faking pankakke would be expensive

01:08

cheaper if you can pay the original to do it

01:11

So HBO scientology doc, not so bad. Jason Beghe's parts are the best.

01:23

!up felipelalli

01:29

This reminds me of being a kid: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/PRODOS402_catalog.png

01:29

... ( http://bit.ly/1ahq6sd )

01:30

felipelalli

!gettrust asteric

01:30

asteric is not registered in WoT.

01:40

"The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

01:40

Because I had to hire TWO law firms, one for the criminal case and another one for the civil forfeiture case, so far, defending myself against the charge of not having a license in order to trade on localbitcoins has cost me almost $200,000. This is a large chunk of our retirement fund and our daughters college fund. This does not count the property (Bitcoins, cash, etc.) I may have to forfeit in civil forfeiture."

01:40

born in the usa... he's fucked... born in the usa...

01:40

!up ebriusinanis

01:41

hopefully he gets his guts together and flies another plane into another usg office.

01:41

pretty much the only avenue remaining for elder us folk.

01:44

For the truly old there's still caverject and official's daughters

01:49

felipelalli

if this is true, this is actually sad. :/

01:50

felipelalli: I dunno caverject contains some serious trade offs in its method of administration

01:51

https://vimeo.com/62839747 london calling

01:51

Cadbury Gorilla Drummer Drums To Phil Collins on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahteUR )

01:56

cazalla

will deedbot qntra march once it comes back otherwise http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/

01:56

Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahtP99 )

01:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87300 @ 0.00024739 = 21.5971 BTC [-]

01:59

New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/

02:05

poso eh good luck with thqat shit

02:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyTxWvxYr4

02:08

Who the Cap Fit - BOB MARLEY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahvyuW )

02:12

BingoBoingo lmao antonoderp and matonis going to aussie striker bitbillions "convention" !?

02:12

ahahaha

02:13

mircea_popescu: As far as I know so far

02:13

top kek.

02:14

asciilifeform> hanbot: no, they can't be ignored << ah okay. noted!

02:14

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite.

02:14

Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe

02:24

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081991 << theres lots and lots and lots of wars going on in the rogue state.

02:24

Logged on 01-04-2015 02:50:05; BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list

02:25

mircea_popescu: I can't even keep the local ones straight

02:27

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/spence-jackson-note-said-he-couldn-t-face-unemployment-again/article_2f8eb775-740b-55cb-9630-273747853f0c.html << More Schweich fallout. His closes assistant "offed himself" nao

02:27

... ( http://bit.ly/1HiqVLA )

02:30

cazalla: ^ dunno why it's dying, so I'm just going to stick it on a 24hr cron restart for now

02:30

!up deedbot-

02:31

Also... The NY jews that raised Fisher lost US chess to St Louis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/chess-championships-take-cue-from-televised-poker-move-to-live/article_b512b3a8-0122-5d26-9853-80d6597e5302.html

02:31

... ( http://bit.ly/1Hir7KS )

02:33

cazalla

deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88

02:33

dpaste: 3EAJT88 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HirfK8 )

02:33

cazalla: give it the txt version; that's an html page

02:34

deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt

02:34

... ( http://bit.ly/1Hirhlh )

02:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00024854 = 23.6362 BTC [+]

02:34

wake up ya bastard

02:36

deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt

02:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1HirmWa )

02:36

deedbot-

accepted: 1

02:37

cazalla: there ya go; had to kick it from both sides

02:49

;;seen brendafdez

02:49

brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

02:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00024854 = 5.2897 BTC [+]

~ 1 hours 51 minutes ~

04:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00024786 = 26.8185 BTC [-] {3}

04:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00025027 = 6.4945 BTC [+]

05:03

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01467997 = 1.468 BTC [+]

~ 23 minutes ~

05:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00024732 = 18.0544 BTC [-]

~ 34 minutes ~

06:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92698 @ 0.00024968 = 23.1448 BTC [+] {2}

~ 42 minutes ~

06:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00025027 = 4.0293 BTC [+]

06:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00024732 = 14.9876 BTC [-]

~ 31 minutes ~

07:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96287 @ 0.00024716 = 23.7983 BTC [-] {2}

~ 25 minutes ~

07:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00025058 = 4.2599 BTC [+] {2}

07:46

<+mircea_popescu> http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. <<< they did, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page

07:46

Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe

07:46

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/311gfc/in_a_plea_bargain_former_dea_agent_agrees_to/

Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1X8nu )

~ 30 minutes ~

08:16

fluffypony

08:16

In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 )

08:16

I'd like to ask a favor of someone coming to conf. PM me pls

08:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00025061 = 5.3129 BTC [+]

08:25

fluffypony you had me for a sec

08:26

fluffypony

:)

08:31

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/keurig-and-its-competitors-seek-guilt-free-ways-to-dispose-of-coffee-pods-1.3016753

08:31

Keurig and its competitors seek guilt-free ways to dispose of coffee pods - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7kve )

08:32

protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows

08:34

dem 3 Rs not being followed

08:34

!up The20YearIRCloud

08:34

howdy

08:37

nubbins`:

08:39

hi

08:45

Need anything?

08:45

just a backrub

08:45

oh and i'm bringing a civil suit against you for those posters

08:46

LEL APRIL FOOL'S

08:49

heh

08:49

We just did a april fools on our FB page about buying a property and removing the houses so we can put down hotels

08:53

height=308023 vs height=219293

08:56

is the latter a 5400?

08:56

or 72

08:58

?

08:58

that was for danielpbarron

08:59

54

08:59

i feel like that one was at 200k around a week ago :p

08:59

it was

08:59

heh.

08:59

it's super slow

09:00

but i believe it can stay in sync once caught up

09:00

yeah

09:00

my laptop's got a 5400 as well, paused downloading blocks while i get this cross-toolchain unfucked

09:00

got an ssd on the way

09:00

how long does your laptop take to sync?

09:01

or has it ever?

09:01

hasn't fully yet

09:02

i had a power failure one day that set me back a bit

09:02

*

nubbins` groans

09:02

i literally cannot get boost built with this toolchain

09:03

Did you need anything from me nubbins` ?

09:03

just that back rub

09:04

ah ok

09:04

i'll send you a certificate in the mail at some point

09:05

phew, got that in just under the wire

09:05

okay, the boost compile was throwing errors around some of the python stuff, but it's still going

09:05

LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform

~ 21 minutes ~

09:27

here i am reading the logs thinking "april's fools is so dumb, who falls for this crap.. ZOMG 700,000 btc?!?".

09:27

i will now smack myself in the face for 30 minutes.

09:29

heh

09:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79395 @ 0.00024962 = 19.8186 BTC [-]

09:30

hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction

09:32

aw fuck me, i got buterin in the logs? that feels dirty.

09:34

f5 bro

09:34

stfu OgNasty

09:34

if anyone's wondering about pogotronics, i'm on my ~6th buildroot cross-toolchain compile

09:34

ognasty, ok, i can live with that. kakobrekla: for the record, i'm laughing :) good one.

09:35

this may be the last one before i just try crosstools-ng

~ 30 minutes ~

10:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00025061 = 1.5663 BTC [+]

10:08

!t m s.qntr

10:08

[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024802 / 0.00033 (45259 shares, 11.23 BTC)

10:08

!t m s.mpoe

10:08

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024709 / 0.0002563 / 0.00026972 (5248239 shares, 1,345.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00025408 / 0.00028207 (37726525 shares, 9,585.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00030009 / 0.0004493 (98019397 shares, 29,414.85 BTC)

10:17

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 131.96184834 BTC. Current weight: 74,938.

10:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170094 @ 0.00024878 = 42.316 BTC [-] {2}

~ 30 minutes ~

10:55

https://www.gentoo.org/ lol what a makeover. they can leave it permanent

10:55

Welcome – Gentoo Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhvEwW )

10:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51639 @ 0.00024766 = 12.7889 BTC [-]

10:58

10:59

"more inclusive" lol

10:59

lol@gentoo

11:01

it gets deeper: click Games Team, Multimedia Team,..

11:02

bah, my computer is not fast enough for pong

11:02

they should make it more inclusive

11:03

lol I remember drive music!

11:03

I could only play 2 drive songs though

11:16

!up qntranet

11:26

jurov i just noticed that the february qntra disbursement didn't end up in my coinbr acct

11:26

http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/#more-2672 <<

11:26

Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhAWIP )

11:27

oh, did you ask for it?

11:27

to be done every month, i mean

11:28

my records show it was done only once

11:28

hm yes, i'm only seeing that first month's as well

11:29

i suppose this is where i formally ask for all my s.qntr shares to be transferred

11:29

:)

11:30

best would be to sign a statement asking for it to be done every month

11:30

as other people did

11:30

okie dokie. will do

11:43

https://vimeo.com/123798651 << one for BingoBoingo

11:43

Bitcoin diceware on a TI-89 graphing calculator on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhDQ09 )

11:47

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt

11:47

... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEvyx )

11:48

!up deedbot-

11:48

pete_dushenski: it probably took, but try again

11:48

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt

11:48

... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEI4R )

11:48

deedbot-

imported: E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD

11:49

win

11:49

spamgun bothering anyone else recently?

11:53

ben_vulpes: email?

11:58

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3XKY6RW.txt

11:58

... ( http://bit.ly/1FhGl2s )

11:58

deedbot-

accepted: 1

11:58

^jurov

12:02

trinque: yup.

12:03

ben_vulpes: yeah, silly amounts of spam over here too

12:03

trinque: are you familiar with the story of ninjashogun aka robert viragh?

12:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY79JCfhjw << hehe derpbama is a talkshow host now.

12:04

A Conversation with President Obama and The Wire Creator David Simon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhHgjA )

12:05

already warming up for life post-2016 and the endless tours of conferences and speaking engagements

12:05

ben_vulpes: not specifically, logs suggest he's a scammer, loudmouth, etc

12:06

i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business

↖ ↖

12:07

david simon clearly wondering to himself "why did i agree to let this guy grandstand about things he doesn't know about?"

12:07

"my god he's boring"

12:08

jurov:hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction << the what now?

12:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00025061 = 25.0109 BTC [+] {2}

12:10

!s auction

12:10

358 results for 'auction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=auction

12:11

hm try this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990106.0

12:11

BTCT.CO (BTC Trading Corp) Server with Code (also ran litecoinglobal.com) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhImf7 )

12:11

^"very successful exchange" for sale

12:11

yes, make an april joke mpex is interested

12:11

yours for the low low price of $100k

12:12

heh

12:12

pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody?

12:13

'custody' = 'holding'

12:13

so yes, please

12:14

unless you mean sometime other than 'transfer to pete_d's coinbr account' when you say 'custody'

12:14

something*

12:15

shloop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/01/the-internet-is-a-playground/

12:15

The Internet is a playground. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhIZW8 )

12:15

i undersand what you mean, but it's ambiguous

12:16

cuz the srares alread y are on coinbr, just not yet claimed

12:16

pete_dushenski: the 25' steel twirly slide i once clambered upon the outside of as a child has been replaced by a 5' doofy plastic thing

12:16

also didn't the log thing happen last year as well?

12:18

pete_dushenski: yer thing's up on deedbot.org as of the last block

12:19

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=1-04-2014#596446 << 'twas a scrambling last year

12:19

Logged on 01-04-2014 02:27:44; mike_c: omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic.

12:19

oh funny - assbot gets the right handle

12:19

jurov: well i'm glad you understand :)

12:20

trinque: first deedbot deed for pd in the record books!

12:20

ben_vulpes: yes, he is committed.

12:20

ben_vulpes: same... the tallest structure is now maybe half what it was 20 years ago

12:20

ben_vulpes: last year's log hurt my head something fierce!

12:21

i genuinely thought that everyone in here was scrambling their words in some kind of pattern, eg 5-3-4-1-2 but i couldn't crack the code

12:22

lolwut

12:22

"I am barred by the SEC settlement from doing anything securities related for two years anyway." oh help me rhonda

12:26

"GoDaddy shares opened at $26.15, 31% above its initial public offering price." << wait, why the fuck are they going public in the first place ?

12:27

same reason as everyone else?

12:28

ya, kinda rhetorical i guess

12:28

they got bought out by PE that wants its money.

12:28

speaking of pe, the ontario teacher's pension fund continues to kill it

12:29

they saw 22% growth in the pe holdings in 2014

12:29

ya never know, mebbe those teachers won't starve

12:32

!up bitstein

12:32

howdy bitstein

12:33

hey hey hey

12:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00025091 = 10.1869 BTC [+] {2}

12:34

so about that post-twitter life...

12:34

feelsgoodman.jpg

12:35

i'm honestly surprised my account isn't suspended yet

12:36

i've been blocked by so many sews

12:36

plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live

12:37

bitstein: so much extra time on your hands eh ?!

12:38

without that news thirst being quenched (qntra can only do so much) i've found myself blog hopping and reading more dead tree books

12:38

and... spending more time here

12:39

pete_dushenski: indeed. suddenly thoughts turn more back to work and play rather than how to amass fake internet points

12:39

remember klout ?

12:39

i try not to

12:39

my goodness that thing pretty much single handedly ruined sm

12:41

sounds like someone didn't have a very good score

12:42

i had a score ?

12:44

The Ministry of Analytics keeps a score on everyone's social media success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU

12:44

Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985) - Ministry of Information - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ajeSTW )

12:46

I love that movie.

12:46

man they can hustle!

12:47

*

pete_dushenski adds it to his list

12:47

trinque: Robert de Niro's my favorite in it

12:50

!mpif

12:50

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021357 B (Total: 467.04 B). Delta: -0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

12:50

!t m f.mpif

12:50

Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?

12:50

heh

12:50

looks like it wasn't traded at all

12:51

las 30d

12:54

bitstein: speaking of de niro, i just watched mean streets the other night

12:54

come to think of it, mebbe i should do an article on mean streets

12:54

how was that?

12:55

de niro was killer. he was the cock of the walk, a smooth customer

12:56

the film definitely had some moments that are hard to imagine happening today

12:56

ok ima write this up

12:57

I put it on my list.

13:02

*cough*

13:02

!s ima write this up

13:02

5 results for 'ima write this up' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ima+write+this+up

~ 50 minutes ~

13:53

http://com.goog

13:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1COcnUg )

13:53

http://com.google

13:53

elgooG ... ( http://bit.ly/1COcuis )

13:55

heh

13:58

holy heck a whole half btc of donations this month

13:59

thanks again for the accounting, jurov

14:03

nao you can finally retire in luxury

14:03

in somalia

14:03

deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201503.txt.asc

14:03

... ( http://bit.ly/1COhB28 )

14:04

jurov: pls to be sticking on dpaste

14:04

!up ascii_field

14:04

also up the thing; I will let people know when things have changed

14:04

*

ascii_field still doesn't have a buildable bitcoind-0.5.3.1

14:04

for now, real life duty calls

14:05

it will always be limited to dpaste?

14:05

not even my old patch fixes it any more.

14:06

results in 'error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous' and many litres of consequent barf

14:06

ascii_field: pogo or...?

14:06

amd64

14:06

standard auto.sh build

14:06

bwat.

14:06

virgin foundation tarball?

14:07

this is -after- i apply my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch << the second half, you folks did merge the first

14:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm )

14:07

without it - the barf quoted last night.

14:07

jurov: nope, just until the next time I have a spare evening

14:09

nm - the c++03 thing wasn't pre-merged either

14:09

at any rate, my patch no longer fixes the build on my boxes.

14:09

yeah, the -l z line was removed

14:09

nothing else from your portatronic patch is in 0.5.3.1

14:09

it doesn't work with or without.

14:10

stock 0.5.3.1 works?

14:10

wait

14:10

New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement

14:11

ascii_field you're saying 0.5.3.1-RELEASE won't compile /and/ it won't compile after you merge your portatronic patch?

14:11

aha.

14:11

different barfs

14:11

ah!

14:11

you have compiled stock 0.5.3 tho?

14:12

'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' without patch

14:12

with - see above.

14:12

stock - yes.

14:12

ok

14:12

the new static build won't crank even with my patch.

14:12

out of all the patches included in 0.5.3.1, only one of them actually adds code. all the rest just snip.

14:13

might be worth reverifying the couple that you didn't write, maybe even the manifest trim thing

14:13

as far as i can tell, the behaviour of gcc is somehow minutely different

14:13

because of changes in the build system

14:13

what ver of gcc?

14:13

4.8.3 on this box

14:14

4.9.2 on other

14:14

same results

14:14

ah

14:14

i compiled 0.5.3.1 on darwin w/ 4.9.2

14:16

i believe it

14:17

are you getting that error in the actual bitcoind compile, or one of the deps?

14:17

bitcoind

14:17

deps build fine.

14:18

ok, a couple sources suggest instead of using <stdint.h> using boost/cstdint.hpp

14:19

seems to be as many different solutions as there are people asking the problem, which is never a good sign

14:20

nubbins`: verified just now that it does not fix.

14:20

there was another lib suggested, where is it

14:23

try <cstdint>

14:23

error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options.

14:24

er yeah, there's that too :S

14:24

^ and i refuse to do this.

14:24

because I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO

14:25

might be worth finding out if/where uint32_t actually is hiding on your system

14:25

this should not matter!

14:25

hey, agreed

14:25

and it lives in stdint

14:25

like on everyone else's box

14:26

are you using your auto.sh or the 0.5.3.1-RELEASE one?

14:26

release

14:26

i was trying to build the release.

14:26

nod

14:27

including stdint.h (as per my patch) in util.h gives

14:28

bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:49: error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous

14:28

result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue));

14:28

^

14:28

In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:314:0,

14:28

from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/include/g++-v4/cstdlib:72,

14:28

from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config/platform/linux.hpp:15,

14:28

from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config.hpp:53,

14:28

from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/foreach.hpp:30,

14:28

from headers.h:7,

14:28

from bitcoinrpc.cpp:6:

14:28

__intN_t (64, __DI__); [... snipped many pages of crud ... ]

14:28

ah, it's /ambiguous/. that's different

14:28

this is AFTER my patch

14:28

o

14:28

before - see earlier.

14:29

k i gotcha

14:30

is boost/cstdint.hpp or <cstdint> included in bitcoinrpc.cpp, by any chance?

14:31

nope

14:31

:S

14:31

nubbins` has a copy too, can read it, no ?

14:31

oh you!

14:31

plz to uname -a

14:33

gentoo as always

14:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66964 @ 0.00025101 = 16.8086 BTC [+]

14:33

x86_64

14:34

once this buildroot compile finishes i'll give it a try on my gentoo vm

14:34

!up ascii_field

14:38

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10955275#msg10955275

14:38

Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fi8h6y )

14:38

^ for those who wish to see goods traded without regard for fiat cost

14:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00025101 = 19.8549 BTC [+]

14:49

http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/when-will-the-ecb-start-to-taper/

14:49

When Will The ECB Start To Taper? | A Fistful Of Euros ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jJp0 )

14:51

http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/commit/3c1984199065628a4c54b8c89f815f9edfa55c8f

14:51

gitweb.dragonflybsd.org Git - dragonfly.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jMRA )

14:52

fact is, that thing - as written - should build on NO ONE's machine - given as util.h is using a type that is not defined therein, nor anywhere else! (stdint.h is not included in -any- of the files)

15:00

huh.

15:00

uint32_t is not defined by anything in or linked from the bitcoind sources.

15:01

if your gcc sees it, it is apparently because it does non-standard things behind your back

15:01

*

nubbins` envisions a .foundation standardized build environment in the near future

15:01

waaa

15:01

ben_vulpes: yes.

15:01

DUDE.

15:01

ben_vulpes: don't take my word for it

15:02

try it.

15:02

i built the damn thing before we shipped that tarball.

15:02

ben_vulpes: on what ?

15:02

debian 6 vm.

15:02

which gcc ?

15:02

that i do not recall offhand

15:02

hold plz

15:03

fwiw i installed fresh 4.9.2 via homebrew right before i compiled bitcoind on darwin64

15:04

i have not been able to build the latest release either / same problem ascii has described

15:04

ascii_field: gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5

15:05

mind you my whole env is structured around reproducing what would have been in the wild ca. the 0.5.3 release

15:05

!up ascii_field

15:06

4.4.5, that's older by a few minor revs

15:06

myup.

15:06

was that current cca. 0.5.3?

15:06

that's from a debian that was current ca 0.5.3...

15:06

ah

15:07

probably ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as well, 'cause i dun know any better

15:07

danielpbarron: plz to report build failures!

15:08

ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10

15:13

!up McNumpty

15:14

Chillum you hear of this "rosin" stuff all the west coast hippies are on about?

15:15

nubbins`: isn't that the stuff with which you enfrictionalize your bow?

15:15

yes. also makes solder flow nicely.

15:15

generalized, rosin is produced from resin

15:15

also found in traditional sealing wax, iirc.

15:15

i'm asking Chillum about a specific regional variation thereof

15:15

at least in the recipe i was taught

15:15

DRUGS

15:16

DRUGS!!!!!!

15:16

terrist.

15:16

ascii_field +1

15:16

anyway hippies have now discovered that if you take a hair straightening iron and crush marijuana buds with it

15:16

rosin squirts out

15:17

why specifically that heat source ?

15:17

$12 at local drug store

15:17

it's their pogo

15:17

what's next, smoking out of the desoldering iron sold at ratshack ?

15:17

the serious types upgrade to a large t-shirt heat press

15:17

the one with the rubber squeeze bulb

15:17

ha

15:18

ascii's face when low-end "vaporizers" are essentially this

15:18

i thought 'low end vaporizer' was a glass bottle and a candle

15:18

lightbulb and a butane torch!

15:19

*

ascii_field not expert

15:19

*

nubbins` had portable vaporizer, fit in hand, ~size of "family" walkie talkies

15:19

nubbins`: how does it work ?

15:20

rechargeable Li battery powering a heat coil around a barrel-shaped oven chamber

15:20

8-seg display and target temp controls

15:21

you pack chamber w/ grass, close lid, let unit heat up, inhale thru straw

15:21

high-tech!

15:21

it really is

15:22

you could cook chicken nuggets in it

15:22

http://i.imgur.com/QRfRr5a.jpg

15:22

... ( http://bit.ly/1CxOZch )

15:22

but how do you know how much dose you end up with ?

15:22

and this is why i don't vape.

15:22

i.e. is there a volumetric gauge ?

15:22

titration story is woefully inadequate.

15:23

buncha druggies

15:23

ascii_field a discerning user would weigh a dose on a scale, say 0.1-0.2g

15:23

nubbins`: but wouldn't the concentration in the leaf itself vary /

15:23

?

15:23

the unit works best when packed fully but not tightly, which is generally around this weight

15:24

ascii_field from strain to strain, yes

15:24

p hard to evaluate dosage without getting lab quality wax

15:25

nubbins`: I don't like the various solid extracts being made these days

15:25

ascii_field "med shops" and "compassion clubs" will offer dozens of strains, each with different percentages of the various cannabinoids

15:25

wtf is a 'compassion club'

15:25

what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis?

15:25

stores that sell dope to people who say they're sick

15:26

generally openly and in areas where not explicitly legal to do so

15:26

ascii_field: generally a single control intake is enough to calibrate against a given 'purchase'

15:26

Chillum probably has hundreds of such places within a few hours' drive

15:27

lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence

15:27

nubbins`: 2 blocks, another in 4 blocks

15:27

ascii_field ^

15:28

I think about 6 in the city

15:30

the uint32_t thing is infuriatingly retarded

15:30

i mean, wtf

15:30

lobbes

<danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this.

15:31

lobbes

ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction

15:31

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/02/09#l1328812405 << the schmucks having same problem

15:31

BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzLh2H )

15:32

lobbes: generally, the earliest orlov is the best

15:34

<+lobbes> <danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. <<< oh, agreed, i find the ratio of thc to other cbds makes way more of a difference

15:34

ascii_field there's also a very wide comfortable dose range

15:36

!up ascii_field

15:37

!up chmod755_

~ 18 minutes ~

15:56

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082145 << "usg employee agrees to testify in court that the usg owns an amount of bitcoin that the usg wishes to be known it owns."

15:56

Logged on 01-04-2015 12:16:22; assbot: In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 )

15:56

mircea_popescu: 4/1

15:56

hey, at least after calling out their usms scam, they're now forced to put dea agents "in prison" to try and certify ownership over imaginary stakes of btc.

15:57

still doesn't do as much as deedbot'd do.

15:58

ascii_field yeah, only fo real.

15:58

i'll believe if it remains 'real' tomorrow.

15:58

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082152 << i dun follow this logic ?

15:58

Logged on 01-04-2015 12:32:18; nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows

15:59

mountains of plastic

15:59

do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ?

15:59

if you cared anything about, say, not making these: you wouldn't use a keurig in the first place

15:59

the pod ones

16:00

lobbes

I never understood those, either. Even if you want one cup of coffee.. just use one cup of water

16:00

o that stuff. i don't know anyone that uses it o.O

16:00

i guess i don't date widely enough in the aging hipster crowd.

16:01

they are used by folks too lazy to wash machine or measure, grind the beans

16:01

yeah, i obv don't carry the numbers in long-term storage, but they're incredibly pervasive and just as wasteful

16:01

the machine sorta does for coffee what the brass shell did for the rifle

16:01

<mircea_popescu> do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? << In usia measuring the coffee grounds to use one of those became "Too Hard"(TM) hence now people buy grounds in pre measured plastic cartridges

16:01

then the idea of a user-refillable pod came about

16:01

dude who cares, just fill the filter.

16:02

^

16:02

now the new coffee machines have DRM

16:02

:0

16:02

lmao

16:02

srs

16:02

They are too lazy, this is what Bush and Obama did

16:02

what "rights" ?

16:02

the right to only pour hot water through authorized plastic widgets

16:02

...

16:02

right?

16:03

mircea_popescu: nubbins` is not making this up. i have seen this machine.

16:03

mircea_popescu i seriously do not know why anyone thinks one of these machines is easier or tastier than a simple pour-over

16:03

nubbins`: easier because don't have to wash.

16:03

there's just no way any government can be organised to deliver the sort of humiliating, depersonalising, invasive experience the us folk have come to expect.

16:03

the only way for them to get what they want is private initiative.

16:03

of like, the mongols.

16:03

;;google filthy keurig water tank

16:03

snopes.com: Keurigs Harbor Mold, Bacteria, and Algae: <http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/keurig.asp>; How to Clean (Eliminate Mold in Water Reservoir) and Care for a ...: <http://artvandelay66.hubpages.com/hub/CleanAndCareForAKeurig>; How to Clean Your Keurig - A Few Short Cuts: <http://afewshortcuts.com/2013/01/when-your-keurig-doest-make-a-full-cup-how-to-clean-your-keurig/>

16:03

"don't have to wash" 8)

16:04

i think if isis took over say pennsylvania, and forced all sorts of bizarro stuff upon the citizenry, there'd finally be a huge sigh of satisfied submission.

16:04

lel snopes!

16:04

this nickle and dime "we'll poke at your asshole a little if you go to an airport" thing isn't cutting it.

16:05

one result of the plastification of the world is that everything's shaped to harbour mold now

16:05

mold is your friend.

16:06

(also, it's not just the shape. plastics are pretty much ideal substrate for microorganisms)

16:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00025101 = 16.5918 BTC [+]

16:07

!up

16:07

!up ascii_field

16:07

yeah.

16:07

ben_vulpes et al: so i fix the idiot integer bugs (despite which this apparently built on various folks' machines) - and now http://dpaste.com/3NA25E9.txt

16:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1G5pZgn )

16:08

wow, a guy just sent me a photograph of a pgp-signed custody document, with a piece of paper over his personal info, saying "this should be enough, preferably you don't need to know the other 19 coin addresses"

16:08

:0

16:08

re " warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" ascii_field wtf is that shit !?

16:09

mircea_popescu: the result of attempting to build the latest static 0.5.3 on my boxes.

16:09

do i misunderstand what statically linked means ?

16:09

nubbins` enough fore what ?

16:09

mircea_popescu: after fixing a number of typedef bugs which, going BY THE FUCKING BOOK OF CPP ought to prevent the thing from building ANYWHERE

16:09

enough for me to verify that there exists a piece of paper with a bunch of pgp shit on it that i can't do anything with

16:10

ascii_field so wtf is this ?!

16:10

"this heavily redacted version of a pgp-signed document should be enough"

16:10

nubbins` no i get that part, but why is some derp proving stuff to you and what sutff ? you running kyc nao ?

16:10

naw i wanna buy a casascius coin from him

16:11

oh oh

16:11

and i want him to prove he's the first owner

16:11

yeah toitally. should be enough o.O

16:11

mircea_popescu: to make long story short, therealbitcoin's release does not build on any of my boxes.

16:11

mircea_popescu: after discovering and eliminating several of the reasons for this, i discover a new one.

16:11

that's one thing. the other thing is, what the fuck do you mean "x in statically linked application requires material from gcc used at the time"

16:12

this is the exact opposite of what statically linekd means.

16:12

mircea_popescu: as you probably suspected, static linking as such is broken on extant systems.

16:12

no one has used it for much of anything long enough, apparently.

16:12

well this'd be a fucking problem.

16:12

allowed to 'rust'.

16:13

because now we don't know if it opesn't build because of it or because of you

16:13

and for crying out loud.

16:13

mircea_popescu: my tests consisted of two gentoo boxes, one 'old and grey', the other built in october.

16:13

and the failed static linking happens on both ?

16:13

aha

16:13

ditto the integer errors

16:14

(which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does)

16:14

is there some obscuritas in tenebrae switch or something needed on gcc when REALLY statically linking ?

16:15

dr. ascii_field do you hate python?

16:15

has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ?

16:15

and not the systemwide one

16:15

thestringpuller: i only ever use it as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl

16:15

the cancer is so advanced x.x

16:16

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << yeah, but implemented in wetware.

16:16

Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business

16:17

ascii_field for that matter, you know, why the systemwide one ? the correct one! downloaded from nist.will.pwn.your.box.edu

16:17

mircea_popescu: see, my boxes are set up to do precisely what i explicitly ask'em to do

16:17

and not 'helpful' crap behind me back

16:17

ascii_field listen, would you consider putting up reference compositions ?

16:17

mircea_popescu: compositions ?

16:17

for w/e you use ? sort of like "this is alf's hammer"

16:18

as in, disk image with compilators, etc ?

16:18

yes.

16:18

or w/e exact form most adequate.

16:18

the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work

16:18

i suppose mircea_popescu wants one that runs on qemu or bochs or the like

16:18

a sh script

16:18

iron-independent

16:18

well, not necessarily.

16:19

if it comes with a specification of parts that's also workable.

16:19

as a for instance.

16:19

the idea is, it seems clear to me that mere package-level specification is dysfunctional./

16:19

this bs where we write down what we put into make or w/e does clearly not work.

16:20

parts that i mention in public have a tendency to become... less obtainable

16:20

and so what we're essentially doing when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem

16:20

so emulator probably better

16:20

but for all the problems derived from the same source.

16:20

and so... universalised.

16:20

but everyone will have to make peace with 30x lengthened build times.

16:20

and shuttling crud to/from the emu

16:20

emulators are a bad idea. just keep mentioning parts in public.

16:20

like we're nintendo devs

16:21

incidentally, perhaps you folks remember that i wanted to do this, in the beginning

16:21

vaguely.

16:21

i had no fucking idea, then, of exactly the state of rot in foss.

16:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888337

16:21

Logged on 22-10-2014 18:16:50; asciilifeform: no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture.

16:21

but the more i look at it the scarier it gets.

16:22

ascii_field an "emulation" is basically "let's run a vps". noty.

16:23

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << maybe you should make forms.

16:23

Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business

16:23

oops wrong link.

16:23

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082269 << maybe you should make forms.

16:23

Logged on 01-04-2015 16:12:29; jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody?

16:24

mircea_popescu: vps << i said emulation, not virtualization

16:24

the difference is minute.

16:24

emulated machine will run same on 'cray' build in '88 and on 'multivac' in the year 3000.

16:24

think nintendo or commodore emulators used today.

16:25

the difference is not at all minute

16:25

"same" for any definition of same that doesn't include, say, someone stealing your data.

16:25

mircea_popescu: think for a minute. not suggesting to run battlefield apparatus -on- emulator. but a place to standardize imaginary machine for cross-compilators.

16:25

like knuth's 'mix'

16:26

ascii_field i am actually suggesting people move their day to day computing AWAY from "linux" or from "gentoo" which are MEANINGLESSSSSSSSS

16:26

felipelalli

here only to say that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063881 worked! I got a fright hell!

16:26

Logged on 22-03-2015 04:00:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation.

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to SPECIFIED stacks of SPECIFIED software made by identified people.

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beginning to see where mircea_popescu is going

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buildroot for pc...

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so i run "alf".

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essentially, suggesting that we sit down and become 'gentoo'

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ascii_field exactly. which is why i said, "when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem but for all the problems derived from the same source."

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there's nothing magic about usgavin trying to fuck up the bitcoin stack.

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he's not distinguishable from poettering trying to fuck up the linux userland

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or from a whole array of equivalent muppets all "doing their part".

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same problem, same solution.

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mircea_popescu is only the 3rd or 4th fella to suggest that i take up maintaining a linux planet

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not a planet mind you.

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just a place.

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it's a planet.

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try to understand how the original gentoo went to seed

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"you want to be here, you must buy nvidia hf-333 for a video card" is perfectly okay.

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consider ^

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titanic amount of work for one schmuck's spare time.

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this is incidentally not a bug. it is a feature. it helps us put pressure on hw manufacturers too

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"we don't want your latest version. we want X. fuck you."

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this entire "latest version" bullcrap has to go away anyway.

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mircea_popescu: thing is, look how the 'freeze it all in amber' thing works on bitcoind.

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ascii_field shouldn't be any extra work really. just, bundle the software with a description of the hardware.

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herculian labour, and it's one piddling proggy

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don't tell me we lost the "interchangeable parts" to THAT degree.

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we did.

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what the fuck do you mean ?

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a bitwise copy of your current system on an assemblage of the same hardware wouldn't boot ?

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mircea_popescu: if exactly same, then will. this is kinda my notion with 'pogo'.

16:31

so then.

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but the devil lives in the details. i have on my desk, for example, two nominally-identical microcontrollers which behave - differently.

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in some errata sheet there may or many not be an explanation.

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this also applies to, e.g., pc southbridges

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ata controllers;

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video boards;

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etc.

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so you'll soon discover "same part number" when we're talking boards means exactly nothing, and we'll be stuck tracing down exact vintage ?

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don't take my word for it. ask another schmuck who works with low-level iron.

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and the plague is ancient. it is how usg ended up with its attempts to standardize cpu

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049461

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Logged on 12-03-2015 01:50:22; asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious.

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well, the good news is that serenissima really has no unemployment.

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we could readily employ thousands.

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now, i'm not saying we should all eat our nagants, nothing can be done. one can achieve some measure of stability. but as things fall apart, as they increasingly are, the fuzz at the edges will look like... this.

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see earlier thread re: infuriating idiocy

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082307 << only if you're not stupid. otherwise, works great.

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Logged on 01-04-2015 16:36:53; pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live

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the real solution is iron standard and impalements for violators

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a -rational- standard against which -rational- folks won't rebel.

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lmao, vlad?

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ascii_field there is no such thing as a rational standard.

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all standards are, by the nature of what a standard is, irrational.

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mircea_popescu is technically right

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what i actually meant was 'one which is not actively insulting to the intelligence of practitioners'

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but the only way to have that

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!up ascii_field

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is to make it actively insulting to the stupidity of the nonpractitioners.

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well yes.

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Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamfCx )

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and this is a major political decision we are, as far as history knows, the ONLY group willing to make.

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https://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m << Geting qntra'd up but though I'd drop the original here nao

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Executive Order -- "Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities" | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamuO6 )

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so willy-nilly we can't practically use the vomit of the others.

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BingoBoingo ima read the qntra. usually better than original.

16:39

holy fuck

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^ Why linked before qntra finished

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-navy-alarmed-at-beijings-great-wall-of-sand-in-south-china-sea/2015/04/01/dda11d76-70d7-4b69-bd87-292bd18f5918_story.html

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U.S. Navy alarmed at Beijing’s ‘Great Wall of sand’ in South China Sea - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Canq5c )

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'any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a

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significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States...'

16:40

Lizard fangs have been bared

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they are warming up the wagens

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welll hopefully you all got your propertah out of the us at any point during the many discussions as to teh effect.

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'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of

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this order.'

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lel.

16:42

donating to .foundation just got made illegal

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that's ok, donating to the irs is actually illegal.

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phew

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one's just gotta pick on which side they wish to live ilegally.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082407 << for good reason, it's not happening.

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Logged on 01-04-2015 18:24:13; ascii_field: ^ and i refuse to do this.

16:47

kinda curious what ben_vulpes / mod6 make of this.

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mircea_popescu: it built on their boxes, on account of ????? in their gcc.

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well what is the ????

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and ~?????? in mine.

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maybe it's thompson's drillbit ?

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i promise to say when find out.

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a) i don't think think this would have been caught by pretty much any other outfit on the planet and b) i don't see the proposition we've found a deep seated hole is readily dismissable.

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for all we know, this is how the universally diddled compiler is discovered.

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mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting.

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it is.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23911 @ 0.00025101 = 6.0019 BTC [+]

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not for being likely, but for it being exactly the way in which that unlikely'd be seen.

16:51

re: mein Führer's decree: when i tell folks i have an expiration date in the none too distant future - they laugh.

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still laugh ?

16:51

"three govt officials can pwn your shit at will on the basis of evidence at least as good as obama's attribution of the sony attack to north korea"

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mats: schmuck on the street, if any of them read it, will mutter 'good, they'll hang spammers finally' or the like.

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and ya don't even have to be american to participate. democracy.

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as i've said perhaps a dozen times, if there isn't an icbm battery between you and the lunatic nato reich - you're fair game to them.

16:54

mats quite exactly.

16:55

anyone "owning" in the us is deluding themselves.

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ascii_field and especially if there is.

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if there is and you can demonstrate readiness to use it - as in, 'we catch ONE more blackwater in donbass and new york is glass' - then possibly no

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but there is not at present such a king.

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ascii_field if there was, you'd know it by this sign, that he'd glass new york anyway.

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mircea_popescu: long ago.

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somethinglike thjat.

16:57

anyway, for the record : the us president does not have the rights it gives itself.

16:58

well dont people generally have the rights they step up and take?

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he has the ability.

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which is to say, he can push a button and i starve

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no, rights are exactly not that, which is why the concept even exists.

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ascii_field he might have the ability. does not have the right.

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but who is going to tell him so?

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like every criminal, the officials of usg do precisely as much as they can comfortably get away with.

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i just told him so.

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ascii_field obviously.

17:02

cue obama going for a condolezza rice impersonation. "nobody had any idea what we were doing was illegal."

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"i just graduated from stanford, i don;t know anything."

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word 'illegal' to them only applies to misbehaviour of the cattle

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not to farmer.

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interestingly enough, i take the same view.

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farmer by definition cannot commit cattlemisbehaviour

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no its worse, he commits farmer misbehavior

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i suppose war is inevitable when people agree in principle but not in fact.

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a cow won't fight another cow, nor a farmer another farmer,

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ultima ratio regum (TM) !!

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but when a cow thinks itself a farmer and thinks the farmer a cow...

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this has to come to blow

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s

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anyway, let's up the stakes a little here.

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!up ascii_field

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mircea_popescu: you might want to have some other fella, who isn't to hang soon, maintain serenissima-linux.

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!up nubbins`

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i like people who will hang soon.

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lived most of my life as one.

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mircea_popescu morituri te salutant !

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(TM)

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Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'

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when they declare working on a piece of open source a threat to national security, time to find a shore and start swimming

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deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B6PCT7.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1NCca8n )

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trinque is posting from the sea ?

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trinque bitcoin is factually a threat to the usg "national security". it exists to end them.

17:16

that 1btc will do us good in 'gitmo'

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will have to learn to ecdsa in head.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082481 << he has a point. failures are potentially more important than successes.

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Logged on 01-04-2015 19:07:26; ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: plz to report build failures!

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ascii_field well, eventually 1 btc will be ample fortune for one to live.

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so how about that gossipd

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in the martian colony, circa 4000 ad, yes.

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ascii_field i'm thinking more like 2030s.

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trinque: mine's not done. and i don't think the other fella's is, either. but ask him

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trinque artifexd been working on it. he occasionalyl comes up for air.

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I'm thinking deedbot wants something other than http and dns if it is to survive

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prolly.

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and you know, me

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:D

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hey, you ever dumped the history in there ?

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the weakest link is the people, not the machines.

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sadly

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I have it, but no I have not

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*

ascii_field listened (in car) to an infuriatingly zimmermanish interview with jon callas (former pgp, now 'silent circle' garbage)

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wanted to throw up

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old men are usually stupid.

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not that old.

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and not stupid. knows what he's doing

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but i could almost -smell- the mendacity

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"knows"

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what exactly does he know ?

17:21

seriously synathesia here

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*synaesthesia

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*

trinque does a double take

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or to quote, "Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before.""

17:21

did the president just decree himself able to steal property over any vaguely defined "threat" whatsoever

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trinque yes. he now has more powers than putin.

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trinque: nah, lbj did that

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trinque: it's been renewed since

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by each succeeding one.

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ascii_field: yes but surely there was at least a veneer of protocol there?

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not yeah, I walk down two halls or whatever

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arguably fdr was the first

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im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug.

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and "hey guys, go assfuck X"

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what 'protocol' did he follow for the jp internment thing ?

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his word - like that of the other great tyrants of his time - was enough.

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yes you're right

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notably though, all pretense of some exempt caste aside from the ruling class is now gone

17:23

ascii_field oh meanwhile i recall who callas is. the reason i don't like openpgp!

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just hearing him talk... was like suffering a case of food poisoning

17:25

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082532 << as is singular and atis is pluran 2nd person

17:25

Logged on 01-04-2015 19:25:48; ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis?

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o as at amus atis ant

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mircea_popescu: the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug << ru thug did not come to texas, arm the republic of texas separatists so they can shell dallas, and raise international stink of 'consensus' when the locals defend it

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yesterday I spent a fair amount of time thinking about how the US was already the totalitarian govt of much of the world long before I was born

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and that in developing this capacity it was inevitable that they'd bring it home

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the "regime change" machine

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trinque: see pertinent orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html

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ClubOrlov: License to Kill ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCdGqT )

17:26

like ambulas = one walks ambulatis = two walk.

17:29

FWIW fresh 0.5.3.1-RELEASE on gentoo, building openssl by itself: Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed

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nubbins`: iirc that never worked

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nubbins`: tex bug

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mircea_popescu: 'further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred' << their favourite thing is not only to steal lands, houses (who even has these any more) but to freeze bank account and then have fun staying out of the street and the morgue, much less paying attorney

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o

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ascii_field im not saying it's a complete solution. i am saying it is a lot more than nothing.

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not saying it means nothing.

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just that mr o can push a button, and send me to beg for spare change and 'big mac' on highway.

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anyway, alligns incentrives correctly. "have you or anyone you know or care about been stolen from by the usg ? come join the people working to take away its shit"

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if you derp much longer in there, yes.

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but this is not news.

17:33

this also applies to the other schmucks

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in usaschwitz

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certainly.

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heck, BingoBoingo has some stories about how it applied to him already, give or take.

17:34

in other news, "It seems obvious to me that global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, and the main source of carbon dioxide is lawnmowers. I have noticed over the years that it gets really cold during the winter, and during that time I rarely hear lawn mowers. But, as soon as I start hearing the occasional lawnmower in the neighborhood, it starts getting warmer. By midsummer when I hear lawnmowers every day, it is al

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most always hot weather. And, as lawnmower use starts to taper in the fall, it starts getting cooler again."

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just as good as any "earth science" out there.

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" Lawnmowers have a nearly immediate effect on the local climate, too. In my area, lawnmowers are rarely used at night, and even 8-hours of lawnmower inactivity can cool the neighborhood by 20-degrees Fahrenheit. The tight correlation between lawnmower use and temperature is so closely related, that the scientific debate on the subject should be closed."

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"To those that suggest that the Sun has something to do with the weather, I say that is just a superstition. The Sun is far too far away to have any effect on the neighborhood. And besides, the Sun comes up in the winter, but it does not stay warm. But, as soon as people stop using lawnmowers, it gets cold. So, it seems obvious and irrefutable that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and lawnmowers are the main sourc

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e of carbon dioxide."

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^ gold.

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re: earlier thread: i will point out that folks who got on the plane and left usa borders but still earn a living from something on which usg might exert pressure, directly or indirectly, are still inmates of usaschwitz.

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!up ascii_field

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this also includes folks who have nothing to do with usa but live in a nato muppet state

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e.g., nubbins` in ca

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!up nubbins`

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l0l

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!up nubbins`

17:42

so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'

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underground economy bru

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for all those drug dealing just to get by

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all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0

17:43

stack your money until it get sky high

17:44

ascii_field: this is why we have organized crime.

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nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ?

17:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320800 @ 0.0002554 = 81.9323 BTC [+] {6}

17:44

buy a new identity?

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beome nubbins` #2

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;;rated othernubs

17:44

You have not yet rated user othernubs

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wat!

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;;rated othernubs`

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You rated user othernubs` on Mon Oct 20 13:34:32 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: not a bad guy.

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^- see ascii_field easy peasy

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rational folks may be comtemplating the implications of the decree they just read

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dunno that I'm rational, but I'm contemplating it

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trinque: the implications are unsurprising. merely a friendly reminder from usg that anyone in range is fair game to it to rape with a telephone pole, and that - unless you're mircea_popescu, putin, or one of a hundred other folks who can say 'no' and make it stick, all you can do is to wait your turn.

17:56

for those who still don't get it - it costs more to -actually- remove someone from usg planet, than it does to lift them into orbit.

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cost in terms of actual, vs. paper, wealth.

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and yes mircea_popescu wrote about pulling pretty gurlz into orbit. this is easier, gurlz weigh less.

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and they make good petz

18:01

i still don't get it

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funkenstein_: you will.

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i hope so

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cause sometimes it sounds like you guys believe there is a real usg

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i mean, the whole lot of us schmucks who are stuck here

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will 'get it'

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we're all stuck here

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funkenstein_: other than mircea_popescu

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due to what, my half-working rubber stamp apparatus?

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ok :)

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trinque: it works great when it's your time.

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lol

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go tell herr ulbricht that it doesn't.

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and srsly, this is just the -famous- people

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the schmucks get the joe stack treatment

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that bit about the father getting jumped by 45 guys with usg hats totally ruined my april 1 thanks a lot guys

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and we only know of stack because he had a creative way to blow his stack, so to speak.

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the list of the folks dekulakized, libelled, injured, killed by usg thugs - is bookcase-length.

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if it were ever put on paper

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thanks for sharing anyways, warnings are good

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!up ascii_field

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and on top of this all, bitcoind release doesn't staticbuild.

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(see earlier, substantive thread, before the obamitler thing)

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<+ascii_field> nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ? <<< understand that "underground economy" means you have neither a mortgage nor a lease in your own name

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nubbins`: and what, no one does ?

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nubbins` operates from a crypto-knapsack

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who to mooch off ?

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nubbins`: want to host deedbot- from that thing?

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? i can name a hundred people, right now, who live in this fashion

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nubbins`: i can name, if i want, a hundred people who live in dumpsters.

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o.O

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you do not know a hundred people who live in dumpsters.

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understand, subjects of usg always have the choice of moving into a private, independent ambulatory jail

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saves usg cost, yes. it is encouraged.

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!up nubbins`

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nubbins`: understand, i do not know them personally. though i used to keep the company of some people who -ate- from dumpsters

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right.

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anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone.

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to follow this logic to the end, it is much better to be a rat than a man

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because rat is as pleased with dumpster as a man would be with sultan of brunei's palaces

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only if you're happy with living as a rat.

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rat does not need elektron microscope or 6-axis milling machine, yes

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so he is quite happy.

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and that's where your path has taken you

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nor does he have to drone on endlessly on the tragedies of the human condition

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funkenstein_: to be fair, rat might whine if he could speak

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we just don't know precisely about what.

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understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar

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the rat has no soul to be saved for the kingdom of God

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nubbins`: and i don't even own one..

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danielpbarron, i disagree

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you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments

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nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world

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that's why the off-radars live with strangers (or, more frequently, friends)

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nubbins`: and if you can't think when surrounded by loud, noxious strangers and their excreta ?

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then 'quit thinking, your life led you to no good' ?

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nope. then work as a contractor for the man.

18:20

so... why not drop off the face of bitcoin entirely until escape velocity

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trinque: escape from what? usg's largesse? aha right.

18:20

this has probably crossed our minds trinque

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as if any of us has a snowball's chance in hell of escape.

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the choice is between 'die' and 'die like a man'

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ascii_field we have already escaped.

18:21

funkenstein_ lives on atomic battleship in north atlantic ?

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how many rockets ?

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have you tested any, to see if still work ?

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why would i need rockets?

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because when hitler says 'funkenstein_ does not get to eat any more, anyone found feeding him will be fed to lampreys' what will funkenstein_ reply ?

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hardly needs a reply does it

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there is precisely -one- language in which there could be a reply.

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a reply that is meaningfully understood and acted on, at any rate.

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i don't think that language is rocket

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nor I.

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going purely based on historical example here.

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i speak horticulture

18:26

don't take my word for it. try speaking other languages to it, see how far you get.

18:26

my only goal is to get out of the way of a giant that's already mortally injured

18:26

i don't see this 'injured.'

18:26

i don't see this giant

18:26

^ that's the injury

18:27

funkenstein_: when they drag you away, feel free to imagine that the 'giant' is a gaggle of midgets. much difference it will make in 'gitmo.'

18:27

"drag away" for what

18:27

a gaggle of midgets can be dangerous as fuck i give you that

18:28

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082878 wait what, how do we measure the thuggery here?

18:28

Logged on 01-04-2015 21:22:34; mircea_popescu: im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug.

18:28

qualitatively

18:28

8)

18:29

that is?

18:29

jurov: think, if you prefer, of two robbers - one who wants to steal his neighbor's house, in which he used to live but got foreclosed on; and one who steals entire planet.

18:29

jurov: you have ru and usg respectively.

18:29

ascii_field, if a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats take me down, i will know it was a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats took me down, not a giant

18:30

funkenstein_: all state is made of midget

18:31

there were never giants in that other sense.

18:31

dear ascii_field, he will get his house, but will end up yet poorer

18:31

what do you think happen next?

18:31

agreed. petty tyrants.

18:31

http://i.imgur.com/IwKduEB.gifv

18:31

MRW I get tricked into seeing something I really wish I hadn't ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiPo3h )

18:31

jurov: dueling mega-states leave the schmucks poorer, who could be surprised

18:32

nubbins`: blehhhh

18:32

heh

18:32

nubbins`: your mascot?

18:32

MRW convo turns to usd-goliath

18:34

it boils down to who'd you rather befriend: the narcist, or the paranoid

18:35

i'd prefer some third way, but serenissima is not world power yet

18:35

so then i'd begrundgingly go with the narcist

18:35

jurov: it can't even power a linux distro yet.

18:35

meanwhile I'm not about to run out in front of the white house with my dick out and a target painted on my chest

18:36

jurov: the paranoid wants to live in quiet in his bunker, with buffer zone made of idiots who sided with his molesters around, for safety. the narcissist wants to cut up everything good and bright that ever was to cut into designer purse for self.

18:36

a-ha

18:36

*of dead idiots

18:37

if they mistook finnish and central eu folk for such idiots

18:37

mistook?!

18:37

then they deserve what they got

18:37

man, I just wanna end up unknown somewhere with a greenhouse

18:37

that'd be fine

18:37

let the thing wear itself out

18:38

hm when building make, first bjam command produces: ...failed updating 1 target...

18:38

jurov: small non-atomicsovereign kingdoms don't get to have foreign policy, only to switch rapists

18:38

*

nubbins` wonders the easy way to discover said target

18:38

quite analogous to individual schmucks as discussed earlier in thread.

18:38

in the midst of the thousands upon thousands of warnings

18:39

!up ascii_field

18:39

!up ascii_field

18:40

i can readily believe that jurov personally prefers to live in a us colony than ru colony - and do not take issue with this, it is very much a private matter

18:40

<ascii_field> (which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does) << i don't even know how to check which tools are lying to me

18:40

readelf was new to me as of 2 months ago

18:40

ascii_field: even you don't want to live in russia

18:41

so that's why i wonder what you endlessly argue for

18:41

jurov: not exactly

18:41

impalement it sounds like

18:41

lol

18:41

jurov: i argue that anything that meaningfully opposes usg is to be applauded

18:41

that means no muppets (e.g. arabian nationalists funded by u.s. dept of state) or symbionts (cn) or parasites (north kr)

18:42

well that would mean you applaud most all citizens of usa

18:42

ru is not 'the future', just the best-looking horse in the usg glue factory, in this regard.

18:42

the one still kicking a little.

18:42

occasionally knocks some teeth from the demented butcher's mouth.

18:43

this is why north america loves putin

18:43

!up nubbins`

18:43

<mircea_popescu> we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?!

18:44

^^^^^^

18:44

perhaps he meant the old meaning of word 'employ'

18:44

put to work.

18:44

burn the biodiesel.

18:44

as in 'find a use for, assuming they can eat tree bark and build own computer from mud'

18:44

qntra shares for a start

18:45

danielpbarron pays his rent in qntra shares ?

18:46

it's an example of where the budget comes from -- anywhere in the world

18:46

what budget.

18:46

the one that redily employs thousands

18:47

what there -is-, is an infinite budget of -hate- for the buggers.

18:47

it's what keeps me going

18:47

i don't expect atomic dirigible to pick me up from the hell

18:48

anyone in the world who can get their hands on bitcoin can help fund that hate

18:48

but every time i have a small success in the things i work on, i picture some 'full spectrum dominance' type who will have to sell his daughters six minutes sooner

18:48

because of what i did

18:48

and it keeps me going.

18:49

danielpbarron: the bitcoin doesn't buy additional hate. usg does that.

18:49

for free.

18:49

<ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting. << rather.

18:49

*

nubbins` can also not get 0.5.3.1-RELEASE compiled on gentoo, but for completely different reason

18:49

nubbins`: oh ?

18:49

please post the barf

18:49

headers.h:21:27: fatal error: openssl/ecdsa.h: No such file or directory

18:49

i'll pastebin more relevant vomit

18:50

i have had that error

18:50

i can see annoyed and bored late roman citizen "go germans go" .. just not my cup of tea

18:50

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070480

18:50

Logged on 25-03-2015 14:04:55; danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt

18:50

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VAQXDh59

18:50

... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSB2O )

18:50

i did get 1 failed target on openssl build

18:50

me too

18:50

jurov: fair. i'm not sitting and 'go, zetas, go' either.

18:51

well that's a relief; i had thought my gentoo install was borked

18:51

oh, and actually, yeah bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/openssl does not exist

18:51

jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit

18:51

none of the headers are there

18:51

guess that was an important target :p

18:52

wait, no, boost failed 1 target.

18:52

*

nubbins` scratches head

18:52

"blocks" : 315048, "connections" : 10

18:53

the whole fucking ecosystem is rotten to the bone.

18:53

(see earlier thread)

18:54

i find that fact to be comforting as it is generally consistent with the reality described in the Bible

18:54

i'ma go sit in traffic for a couplea hours now. perhaps one of you independently wealthy folks can fix it meanwhile.

18:56

<mircea_popescu> lived most of my life as one. << my turn to live under the gallows shadow

18:57

*

nubbins` yawns

18:57

fuck am i ever glad shit like this is just a hobby now

18:57

!rate ascii_field 1 on our side

18:57

ascii_field is not registered in WoT.

18:58

funkenstein_: what's "our side"

18:58

funkenstein_ try asciilifeform

18:58

this is what's problematic to me here; I am on no one's side...

18:58

well this and other things

18:58

guess it was the royal we ;)

18:58

!b 3

18:58

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06J3Z6T.txt )

18:58

close

18:59

trinque everywhere's got problems, they're just, uh... /different/ here

18:59

funkenstein_ fancies hisself a laird nao?

18:59

,e,

18:59

whoa

19:00

ascii_field: relax - it's just an april fool's joke :P

19:00

begging your pardon sirs

19:00

just meant to say i liked the chap's spirit

19:01

danielpbarron around?

19:01

ya

19:01

found missing openssl headers, they're just in the wrong spot.

19:02

add ~/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include to your path

19:02

funkenstein_: that's the spirit

19:02

or figure out why auto.sh puts the shit in the wrong dir

19:04

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/

19:04

nubbins`, where would that go?

19:05

$ export PATH=$PATH:/home/dpb/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include

19:05

$ echo $PATH

19:06

if it looks kosher, then try ./auto.sh again

19:07

oh hm

19:09

wtf!

19:09

holy shit

19:10

danielpbarron that actually doesn't work.

19:11

BingoBoingo tell me it's april fools please

19:12

persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States <--- ???

19:15

<ascii_field> jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit << Then the peace vampires came out, like USG Informant Al Sharpton.

19:16

funkenstein_: Did you read the order? It is linked and on the white house website as well as attached in full text at the botton of the post

19:16

mircea_popescu: ^ qntra on the topic is up

19:20

!up NewLiberty

19:25

;;later_tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States

19:25

Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command.

19:25

orly?

19:26

;;later tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States

19:26

The operation succeeded.

19:26

derp.

19:28

danielpbarron mkdir ourlibs/include/openssl; cp openssl-1.0.1g/include/openssl/* ourlibs/include/openssl/

19:29

aha!

19:29

this brings me to:

19:29

util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type

19:29

^ asciilifeform

19:29

^ mod6 ben_vulpes

19:30

alf, take small solace in the fact that it's not just you?

19:31

*

nubbins` invites anyone currently watching to google the above error, with quotes

19:33

hanbot: Should be fixed

19:33

only results are from log

19:34

asciilifeform i'm done w/ this for the evening, but my next step will be to try again with gcc 4.4.5, which mod6 says was current (in debian) when 0.5.3 came out

19:34

it's entirely possible that gcc broke this

19:34

BingoBoingo "Faced with technology that forces it to reveal its teeth and claws, along with the reaping of the fruit the United States Government planted in its subversion of the computing stack at every level, the fangs are being bared and the claws unsheathed."

19:34

dude srsly... too meta.

19:36

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082925 << that's prolly going too far. the usg can prolly "exert pressure" on the price of soy, nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself.

19:36

Logged on 01-04-2015 21:42:51; ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'

19:36

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082928 << no, they're stupid.

19:36

Logged on 01-04-2015 21:43:36; nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0

19:36

just, vagrant stupid rather than delusional stupid.

19:37

mircea_popescu: Toned down the meta a bit.

19:37

yeah. simile and such are very iffy in newsprint.

19:42

*

BingoBoingo pours a drink because cutting the liquor budget substantially for the short to medium term future.

19:47

bbl meatspace headspace

19:51

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082974 << this is where the entire "smart" turns to stupid. the only thing them smart hipsters can do is be my slavegirls.

19:51

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:11:02; ascii_field: who to mooch off ?

19:53

mircea_popescu how's a hipster blowjob go?

19:53

mircea_popescu: nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself << grow me a 0805 resistor.

19:53

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082985 << no. it is strictly a function of whether they are posing a threat to the leviathan or not. strictly that. no "routes". you can only matter if you can actually blow a hole in them, and you can only blow a hole in them if you don't depend on someone's permission for your activity.

19:53

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:14:49; nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone.

19:53

or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one.

19:53

in this sense, someone who has to mooch wifi and someone who "owns" a mortgage are identical.

19:54

asciilifeform not my fault boys are worthless irl, when irl is designed by usg.

19:54

this is deliberate and intentional.

19:54

^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from

19:54

he's just going with his past groupthink.

19:55

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082995 << no. living off radar is not a matter of vanishing yourself. it is a matter of forcing the op to turn the radar off.

19:55

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:17:18; nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar

19:56

^^^

19:56

his desire to own a cnc mill is a result of his desire to own a nuke, which is a result of his desire to go "either you stick to this rule or i kill you"

19:56

which is necessary.

19:56

anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain.

19:56

glhf.

19:56

dustcoin?

19:57

hanbot i have nfi lol

19:59

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time.

19:59

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:07; nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments

19:59

mircea_popescu: ... be my slavegirls << in that case,

19:59

*

asciilifeform recommeds that mircea_popescu start collecting slavegirls who are handy with systems programming. though the trouble may be that ones of the correct vintage (no later than early '80s) are probably beginning to spoil...

20:00

it is a matter of need : in order to ensure your space you must control whole chains. there's no escaping this, and so someone will have to. nobody particularly has a desire to run a cnc mill or an ic fab, but if one wants working software, one has to. and so it flows.

20:00

^

20:00

asciilifeform a naked woman can be taught anything if you're willing to break an uncountable set of sticks.

20:00

mircea_popescu: teach'em, why not

20:00

the part that's worth teaching is easy to teach, and unrelated to intelligence.

20:01

the part you won't teach them shouldn't be taught anyway.

20:01

mircea_popescu: wake me up when they get kernel

20:01

"how to make this counterintuitive sht work ? " "don't."

20:01

wake me up when they build a fab.

20:01

y u wanna sleep so much.

20:01

even a 'fairchild' circa '70s fab.

20:01

practicing for cemetary.

20:02

i hear sleep is the main order of business there.

20:02

lol

20:02

i never hear of anyone flunk the cemetery.

20:02

scarcely any need to practice then.

20:02

so re: all the uint32_t, sorry that you're all having problems with this. I guess I missed a lot of stuff.

20:02

mod6: read the log. i fixed it, only to reveal a mega-bug

20:02

mod6 do you have any idea why your thing compiled it ?

20:02

where none of the 'static' stuff actually worked ever.

20:03

yeah, read whole log,

20:03

will post patch for 'fix' in a spell. gotta change clothes first.

20:03

problem, currently, is that no one but me seems to be able to replicate this!

20:03

maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box?

20:04

mircea_popescu: nope. none. my deb6 environments (yes more than one) all compiled it fine with gcc 4.4.5. i didn't have problems on gentoo either fwiw. but not sure what the gentoo AMI had for a compiler. my guess is that I was fooled by gcc.

20:04

mod6 the question is : why has your compiler not complained about an undefined symbol

20:04

given tyhe symbol is in fact undefined.

20:04

no good answers there.

20:04

its mother is, "what else is your compiler putting in you don't know about"

20:05

^^^

20:05

and their joint horrible twin sister being, "hey, turns out so called static builds aren't even static"

20:05

^^^^

20:05

by now we have a family of these monsters, which is very worrisome,.

20:05

i think, maybe im not the right guy for this. or at minimum, I need someone who can look over my shoulder on this. there's no way we should have these issues 5 months into a project.

20:05

*

asciilifeform lays off the poor ^ key

20:05

but mircea_popescu has it.

20:05

in spades.

20:05

mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!!

20:05

i take it mircea_popescu is a gcc-bug-virgin

20:06

which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo

20:06

or - was

20:06

mp: im not sure I follow

20:06

asciilifeform there's bugs and there's bugs.

20:06

mod6 from which point ?

20:06

I don't know why it worked for me.

20:06

mircea_popescu: rms is long in the tooth, old, and endlessly hammered by clean-shaven fools who don't eat 'toe jam' and spit in his face

20:06

<+mircea_popescu> mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! << here. what?

20:06

mod6 what i'm saying is, this stuff would not reasonably be expected by you, nor is it a function of the project.

20:06

for all we know, 'toe jam' is a micronutrient

20:06

i guess it was doing something strange on my end, or maybe debian 6 has something strange it does?

20:06

it looks more like very major issues with gcc itself.

20:07

one without which a decent compiler is quite impossible.

20:07

*

mod6 reads scroll back

20:07

mircea_popescu: the issues cut deeper than gcc. we are dealing with what ilkka kokkarinen called 'unprincipled exception', where something is allowed to stay broken because fixing it would break 10,000 other things.

20:07

asciilifeform why i'd kinda like to get to the bottom of this.

20:08

asciilifeform unprincipled exceptions are fine IF DOCUMENTED

20:08

the undocumented unprincipled exception is something entirely different.

20:08

it is also possible that i am somehow mistaken about all of this

20:08

sure.

20:09

the only way to find out is to hammer the things that worked until we know why the fuck they worked.

20:09

asciilifeform incidentally, ever published the recipe to obtain that "statically linked is not statically linked" error ?

20:09

but regardless, i have at least two dozen proggies on this here box that -have- to be built with gcc x.y.z or else

20:09

it is nothing new to the veteran turd-shoveler.

20:10

mircea_popescu: the recipe consists of attempting to build it on either of my boxes after patched to fix the integer thing

20:10

people derping about how "bitcoin will fail because tis or that" are such fucking idiots, incidentally. COMPUTING NEVER WORKED.

20:10

if that were the criteria...

20:10

asciilifeform what's the peculiarities of said boxes ?

20:10

*

asciilifeform cranks out patch

20:10

how would someone reproduce it ?

20:10

mircea_popescu: posted earlier in thread

20:10

aok

20:10

about to post more detail

20:11

k

20:11

<+ascii_field> has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? << i never did, this could be a problem too

20:12

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083026 << is this something along the lines of "nothing bad can happen to me im a nice person minding my own biznis" ?

20:12

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:26:52; funkenstein_: i don't see this giant

20:12

mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ?

20:12

those'd only have one conceivably.

20:12

<+mircea_popescu> the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work << i think going forward this is the only thing we'll support/build from/work on, something that we agree is "good"

20:13

yeah but how deep does it go

20:14

NewLiberty

April fools, or no? http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

20:14

Yanis Varoufakis: "Greece to Adopt the Bitcoin If Eurogroup Doesn't Give Us a Deal" | GreekReporter.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5NtSo )

20:14

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083060 << yeah there's no mistake there.

20:14

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:37:17; ascii_field: mistook?!

20:15

NewLiberty never heard of the site, so...

20:15

<+mircea_popescu> mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? << yup. one virtual box deb 6 vm, one aws deb6 AMI and a friend had a separate deb6 ami. my gentoo testing was on gentoo aws AMI also.

20:15

so it wouldn't have an openssl other than what auto.sh makes

20:15

unless there's a magic one ?

20:16

i can take a look at mine in xxd, just a moment.

20:16

(the virtualbox one, in particular.)

20:17

asciilifeform> maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box? << would love to help out, unfortunately i haven't managed to get it working quite yet.

20:17

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083088 << wait, *I* have to balance my budget ?

20:17

Logged on 01-04-2015 22:43:56; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?!

20:17

fuck that shit, obama is the blessed child of the heavens, can run deficits ?

20:17

what sort of contest is this ?

20:18

i am happy to announce that for the fy 2014 serenissima ran a whopping 5798796857967496834% deficit

20:18

all voluntarily contributed.

20:18

this is the contemplated policy going forward.

20:20

someone also mentioned that we (the bitcoin foundation) should host the openssl, bdb, and boost libs on our website for dl. i decided against that as i like someone to feel like they're getting a copy from the originator. (this is from yesterday)

20:20

yeah that someone was me

20:20

so that's why that isthe way it is.

20:20

the reason i proposed that is because i have no doubt the "originators" will sooner or later run away with the code.

20:21

fair assessment. i thought the same thing at first, and even had all the libs on our site. then started thinking conversely about it.

20:22

we can change that up. that's easy enough.

20:22

jurov!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20:22

not like people can't pull them from the source.

20:22

it ate it

20:22

motherfucker

20:22

think of it as a cache or something.

20:22

sure

20:24

and then i put it in a tarball and signed

20:24

and STILL ATE IT

20:24

jurov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20:24

asciilifeform sigh. it expects a clearsigned text, not just attachments with detached sigs

20:25

i thought signed text can replace body

20:25

(NO I WILL NOT manually trim the line lengths of the compiler barf.)

20:25

and i don't -want- them trimmed

20:25

i want that thing to display as it would from my fucking disk.

20:26

no that's fine, just put short clearsigned comment what are the other attachments about

20:35

fuck

20:35

so i dunno, but this doensn't look right: http://dpaste.com/1HRAZ5V.txt

20:35

... ( http://bit.ly/1CyRtai )

20:37

my deb machine was installed in december, but maybe the system wide OpenSSL 1.0.1g was upgraded in feb. The version the system wide gives me is April 7 2014. The xxd output looks like its indicating the one from the system.

20:37

*sigh*

20:37

brb

20:43

!s devil pay love him

20:43

2 results for 'devil pay love him' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=devil+pay+love+him

20:43

mothefucker. the two results lead to... referneces, without actual link, of the original.

20:43

asciilifeform happen to recall original ?

20:46

http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ found for later.

20:46

Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqoKb6 )

20:48

so if that's not working as expected, I (we) need help getting the makefile in order so that it does this correctly & the auto.sh script if that's part of the problem also.

20:48

obviously, i don't have a clue as to what's going on there.

20:51

mod6: how does that dpaste indicate the system ssl?

20:52

i don't know how to read xxd output at all

20:52

'OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7' << is probably referring to the output seen here: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014

20:52

I don't know for sure though.

20:53

alf might know. i bet it's the wrong goddamn one

20:56

isn't that the release date of 1.0.1g?

20:56

https://www.openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/

20:56

OpenSSL: Old 1.0.1 Releases ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyUS8S )

20:56

the version of openssl you and alf found to not wedge bitcoind?

20:57

my hunch is that this is not working as expected. I need alf to verify for me.

20:58

or help me verify

20:58

jurov: can delete 2nd post, it is redundant

20:59

or zap it all, i'll resend in a sec

21:00

http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html

21:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1DqpJIo )

21:00

^ finally.

21:01

mircea_popescu et al ^

21:02

asciilifeform: is there a definitive way to check the binary for which SSL is linked in?

21:03

mod6: readelf

21:03

readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl

21:03

but!

21:03

i think this only works for DYNAMIC

21:03

cannot possibly work for static build.

21:03

which is one of the penalties for going static

21:03

did you see my paste?

21:04

the only way to know what's in a static build is a disassembler, a stead hand, a thermos of coffee, and some familiarity with the constituent parts

21:04

*steady hand

21:05

yeah i get nothing from these: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl

21:05

root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i SSL

21:05

and you won't.

21:05

because - elementarily - static.

21:05

that means it's all ground beef.

21:05

ok got it.

21:05

so need to run in gdb and disassemble.

21:05

try turning debug symbols back on

21:05

<asciilifeform> which is one of the penalties for going static << The most important part of a turkey sandwich is the ham

21:05

then might get something from the DWARF data.

21:06

next part here... in your email, it seems that you apply your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch", and this doesnt seem to completely solve it...

21:06

there is another error beyond that one??

21:06

read whole thing plz

21:07

after the words 'Let's try that build again:'

21:08

yeah,it's weird. it seemed to puke on this:

21:08

/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl

21:08

/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto

21:10

^ openssl failed to build/install

21:11

it built

21:11

this is the static build, remember!

21:11

it built.

21:11

and is exactly where it was supposed to go.

21:11

this is the auto.sh build.

21:11

that's a good point, why is ld complaining

21:12

or hm, no it isn't.

21:12

lol

21:13

asciilifeform it's not retarded having a manifest with it dood.

21:13

missed this because the dir was there, and with some contents

21:13

but not the whole thing.

21:13

dynamic libraries are the depressing result of the c-machine's sad attempt to have a global namespace

21:13

decimation has it

21:14

<asciilifeform> cannot possibly work for static build. << this.

21:14

the only reasonable way to go forward at this point would be a) edit the source of the ssl we intend to use to include a magic string ; b) make ; c) strings on the binary.

21:14

or turn debug on.

21:15

then objdump.

21:15

im not sure i'd trust it. hey, if gcc is dubious ?

21:15

cms.pod around line 457: Expected text after =item, not a number

21:15

cms.pod around line 461: Expected text after =item, not a number

21:15

cms.pod around line 465: Expected text after =item, not a number

21:15

cms.pod around line 470: Expected text after =item, not a number

21:15

cms.pod around line 474: Expected text after =item, not a number

21:15

POD document had syntax errors at /usr/bin/pod2man line 71.

21:15

Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed

21:15

make: *** [install_docs] Error 1

21:15

^ how openssl dies.

21:15

in general this is the golden pill to defeat "general purpose" poisoned compiler, that auto-pulls the magic diddled dependency : put a x = "hash" in the code, compile, see if it included it.

21:16

note that it died a mostly silent death, buried beneath a torrent of barf from other compiles

21:16

and auto.sh did not notice.

21:16

mircea_popescu: ultimately we audit the bins

21:16

mircea_popescu: there is no escape from this.

21:16

"/home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/asio/detail/impl/socket_ops.ipp:2900: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking"

21:16

this is seriously a bigger deal than whatever obama fucking derped today.

21:16

that's a common bug

21:17

(i sorta do this for a living. but no one should take only my word for things.)

21:17

decimation tell ?

21:17

*

asciilifeform off to pet pet, bbl

21:17

if I recall the getaddrinfo calls up the resolv.conf apparatus

21:18

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2725255/create-statically-linked-binary-that-uses-getaddrinfo <glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration.

21:18

c - Create statically-linked binary that uses getaddrinfo? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyYzvl )

21:18

ie it loads 'binary plugins' by design

21:18

so basically the problem there is that it says it's static but links dynamically ?

21:18

I gather the warning means that it will probably work on the system on which it is built but if you move it to a different system (the binary) you might not be able to resolve dns properly

21:19

fucking dns.

21:19

yes, the traditional glibc/dns client shit is quite turdly

21:20

but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers

21:21

which then inspires idiocy in stuff like wordpress. "hey, open ddos amplification is industry standard!!11"

21:21

yes, exactly

21:23

<decimation> but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers << Software names make this shit weird because there was ntpd which had this problem and openntpd which to my knowledge didn't

21:24

ntpd was a somewhat misguided attempt to turn unix into a 'scientific instrument'

21:24

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/01/how_to_spaff_240_million_by_going_organic/

21:24

Nuclear waste spill: How a pro-organic push sparked $240m blunder • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyZCLJ )

21:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.00026088 = 19.3051 BTC [+]

21:26

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/

21:26

lol

21:26

"But enough of such simplicities, let us now turn our attention to the real headscratcher. The source of that drum was Los Alamos, which is largely – but by no means exclusively – a nuclear weapons lab. And we have someone there who apparently preferentially purchases organically. A"

21:27

Oppenheimer himself was enough of a hippy to go on the "bad" list

~ 25 minutes ~

21:53

so what *is* the #b-a sanctioned os?

21:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41002 @ 0.00026089 = 10.697 BTC [+] {2}

21:55

ben_vulpes: without a full deturding of a stack there likely can not be a single one blessed OS

21:56

at the end of the day, man must compute

21:57

ben_vulpes: I use rhel because I know it

21:57

but rhel 7 may end that

21:57

how did you come to rhel?

21:57

it was used in my day job, became a habit

21:58

although I agree with folks who assert that redhat is gov't influenced, I also think that there is something to the idea of freezing a baseline and keeping it stable

22:00

OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT

22:00

my issue with openbsd is relatively poor hardware support

22:00

but that's a function of their focus

22:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 291751 @ 0.00025271 = 73.7284 BTC [-] {3}

22:01

I had to replace the wifi card in this machine at a cost of $25, but that was not a dealbreaker. It's the other weird that prevents wholesale recommendation. It to asciilifeform's disappoint lacks an Ada

22:02

wat

22:03

what machine

22:03

why can't you build gcc/gnat?

22:03

asciilifeform: daily work beast

22:03

BingoBoingo's ?

22:03

asciilifeform: OpenBSD does not have a working ada in its ports that I could discover

22:03

nvm i think i'm off-thread

22:03

If I want to revert to Nigbuntu or a linux, Sure I can get an Ada.

22:03

ben_vulpes: what linux/unix are you most familiar with?

22:04

"os x"

22:04

heh

22:04

BingoBoingo: it has gcc. build with ada included in --enable-languages

22:04

feelsbad.png

22:04

this should also work on crapple

22:04

I made a bug report on macports recently, was told to fix myself

22:04

(assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!)

22:04

asciilifeform: I'll add that on the 5.7 release to do list

22:05

BingoBoingo: not related to what we were doing though...

22:05

or to openbsd

22:05

<asciilifeform> (assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) << It seems they use a... modified GCC

22:05

I'm sure you can get ada working on osx but it's not as simple as 'port install gnat'

22:05

(when i do the thing that requires the ada, it won't be happening on openbsd. or gentoo)

22:05

asciilifeform: buildroot?

22:05

no

22:05

iron.

22:05

actually some folks have tried to build ada kernel

22:06

as in no os?

22:06

aha

22:06

this is easier than it sounds

22:06

*

BingoBoingo was going to pick up an UltraSparc box this month, but the Chimp in Chief has forced a revision of all my budget priorities

22:06

because ada spec -includes a scheduler-

22:06

yeah, basically single main() loop

22:06

not same as a naked main() in c

22:06

that's nice

22:06

you get civilization.

22:06

the comforts of home.

22:07

heh.

22:07

;;google ada ravenscar

22:07

Ravenscar profile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenscar_profile>; Guide for the use of the Ada Ravenscar Profile in high ... - SIGAda: <http://www.sigada.org/ada_letters/jun2004/ravenscar_article.pdf>; The SPARK Ravenscar Profile - AdaCore: <http://docs.adacore.com/sparkdocs-docs/Examiner_Ravenscar.htm>

22:07

^ all the detail you could ever wish for.

22:08

asciilifeform: is your medium-term goal to cross compile bitcoind with buildroot?

22:08

forgive my *staggering* thickness

22:08

ben_vulpes: aha

22:08

(is it in the set of whatever whatever)

22:08

ben_vulpes: but you are running ahead of the class even here.

22:09

i actually sat down that time to properly fix the bastard blocks thing

22:09

my hero!

22:09

wanted to build an instrumented version of bitcoind for this

22:09

on ordinary machine.

22:09

with nothing fancy or crosscompilatory whatsoever.

22:09

and ended here.

22:09

putting bitcoind on pogo.

22:09

i realize that i could do this just as well with my old traditional build.

22:09

somehow.

22:10

but there is a Release !

22:10

and wanted my patches, when any, to diff -from it-

22:10

not from the old crap

22:10

because that's sorta what releases are for

22:10

what version was your "old crap"?

22:10

included all the patches but the static-build stuff

22:11

well, all the accepted patches plus my unaccepted integer fix patch (not today's, but the earlier one in portatron)

22:12

which was the integer patch again?

22:13

ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch

22:13

... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm )

22:13

that one

22:14

asciilifeform: http://www.brendangregg.com/linuxperf.html < You can kinda run 'dtrace' on linux with his scripts

22:14

Linux Performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6gHkT )

22:14

the ancestral 'strace' works for me

22:14

yeah that's the lion's share of it

22:14

but we're talking about a b0rk3d -build-

22:15

not run.

22:15

ah

22:17

incidentally, my own portatronic build did not work without this patch.

22:18

https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/security-openssl-build-failure.41478

22:18

security/openssl build failure | The FreeBSD Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/19LHFzl )

22:18

Motherfuckers.

22:19

mircea_popescu check it out ^

22:20

*

BingoBoingo naive, insufficiently initiated here, but how does 0.5.3.1 build with libressl portable 2.0 or later on a linux?

22:21

it probably does not

22:21

BingoBoingo: i have not tried it

22:21

BingoBoingo: but recall the thread where mircea_popescu demanded mathematical proof.

22:21

I remember fixing that by turning off docs

22:21

BingoBoingo: i recently got an itch to try that myself

22:21

aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ?

22:21

who wants to maintain it ?

22:22

join the glorious open source archaelogy project of #bitcoin-assets

22:22

"does the sub fly if i tape this jet engine to it?"

22:22

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034840

22:22

Logged on 26-02-2015 21:33:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.

22:22

I suggest this not as a solution to the OpenSSL turdation and version hell, but as a way to identify which parts of OpenSSL turdify unforgivably

22:22

BingoBoingo: it is, to use my technical term, a spittoon.

22:22

!s spittoon

22:22

24 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon

22:23

If you look at how redhat 'maintains' a baseline of code, you find that they pile up patches as shit breaks

22:23

*

BingoBoingo only gave chewing tobacco 3 weeks as a habit before returning to smoked tobacco

22:23

decimation: the patches reliably break, in their turn, other things

22:23

indeed, which require more patches

22:24

this kinda 'works' when you are trying to keep a somewhat frozen baseline

22:24

not so much if you want to add any features

22:24

which is why that human turd jon callas kept going on and on about how 'real security patches, even against user's will, because updates are the most important thing in security'

22:24

this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism

↖ ↖

22:24

^ real security is designed without bugs

22:25

aha.

22:25

and is meta-designed to make this thinkable and practical.

22:25

but as long as 'we' are maintaining someone else's code it's pretty much inevitible to fall into the hole

22:25

we never got out of it

22:25

were always in the hole.

22:25

indeed.

22:28

22:28

Re: [saag] Algorithms/modes requested by users/customers ... ( http://bit.ly/19LIN65 )

22:30

"Compare this to the example I gave earlier of performing a TLS exchange with Amazon. This performs an in-depth test of all the crypto algorithms (corresponding to the FIPS algorithm tests, including ones that FIPS ignores), and the crypto mechanisms (many/most of which FIPS again ignores). In other words simply by connecting to Amazon using TLS and ordering a "Scrubs" DVD for

22:30

$19.95 I'm getting more comprehensive algorithm testing than I can for a five-figure sum with the FIPS algorithm tests."

22:30

the tests are a chump tax charged on folks peddling turdware to usg and friends

22:31

aye, because usg 'requires' it

22:31

exceptions free for the asking for 'favourite sons' of course

22:31

you will never hear of northrop or lockheed losing a contract from failing to pass 'fips' etc

22:32

see the case of the 'drone' pinched in iran, which was gps-spoofable because crypto was omitted entirely

22:32

which 'fips' did -it- pass.

22:32

lol even apple plays the game http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-6-granted-fips-140-2-approved-for-u-s-government-use/

22:32

iOS 6 granted FIPS 140-2, approved for U.S. government use | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/19LJ8Wl )

22:32

of course it plays

22:33

being a dept of usg

22:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133000 @ 0.0002609 = 34.6997 BTC [+]

22:33

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of U.S. Homeland Security, said it would pull the plug on its 17,600 employee BlackBerrys and favor iPhones instead. The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least."

22:33

(there is no private industry, in the traditional sense, in usg-dom. nothing larger than a hotdog stand, certainly.)

22:33

oh, humbug.

22:33

maybe not where you live.

22:34

asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan

22:34

nowhere.

22:34

see tlp's piece.

22:34

say ben_vulpes sells aluminum siding. by the gigatonne.

22:34

private?

22:34

but then look - who buys it? with what ?

22:34

and for what.

22:35

i dunno man, new relic isn't terrifically dependent on government purchases.

22:35

salesforce either.

22:35

<ben_vulpes> maybe not where you live. << You may know there where, but not the how to look

22:35

is mickey-d usg ?

22:35

no one who walks in, likely is usg. certainly not official procurer

22:35

but where do the clientele get their dough ?

22:36

"everything comes from the government" my arse

22:36

ben_vulpes: take jupiter.

22:36

what now?

22:36

while not everything in the solar system 'comes from jupiter' - he has a say in what happens.

22:36

<asciilifeform> is mickey-d usg ? << When I worked there after Library school frozen meat cam in boxes labeled Cargill, member of Carlisle group, indicted somewhat in Farenheit-911

22:36

and nothing can be meaningfully described without him.

22:37

modern fascist state permutation of all aspects of life.

22:37

aha

22:37

"National Socialism"(TM)

22:37

plenty happens beyond its domain. its domain, as was the french, is vastly less broad and strong than it thinks.

22:38

'the mountains are high and the emperor is far away'

22:39

^ pre-telegraph - was true

22:39

ben_vulpes: Perhaps re-read http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm though beast has a dissciative mental disorder and this brave soul reporting suffers isolation the thread doesn't tear

22:39

... ( http://bit.ly/19LJT1u )

22:41

<decimation> asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan << And no one knows how tenous their connection is as Force, Carl Mark IV can likely attest

22:41

<ben_vulpes> salesforce either << usg is not the post office. usg is precisely the folks who perpetrate things such as 'salesforce.'

22:41

BingoBoingo: "Among the purposes of 'Snowden' - who never 'stole' any documents - is to increase the sense of terrorism and blackmail among governments; " < to believe this is to travel through the looking-glass

22:41

asciilifeform: aha!

22:43

decimation: I have never seen pills colored #FF000 nor #0000FF even when observing pharmacy school slide decks for two years

22:45

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083462 << there you go mr budget :D

22:45

Logged on 02-04-2015 01:26:21; scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/

22:45

decimation: Snowden is not a person with Agency, yet he has handlers who are Agents.

22:45

mircea_popescu: note that china knows how this game works; is taking 'possession' of the south china sea

22:45

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083475 << really a minor point.

22:45

Logged on 02-04-2015 02:00:00; BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT

22:46

decimation im very much left wondering by asciilifeform's ideas about china. i dunno that it's in any sense comensal with the us.

22:46

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 36(Y):64(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.38145505 BTC. Current weight: 16,797.

22:48

well, china has a relatively small core of 'managers', usg is really a headless beast

22:49

(commensal = eating at same table)

22:51

mircea_popescu: I know openbsd has a plan for governance post-Theo. The exact plans are opaque to me. It would be abberant for Beck to naturally outlive Theo, but... known unknown

22:51

hi

22:51

no u

22:57

asciilifeform "I can verify that downgrading to Perl 5.16 works." uh ?!

23:01

asciilifeform haven't peeked at your latest mail yet, but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error

23:01

but there's another error right before that, almost missed it.

23:01

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k

23:01

... ( http://bit.ly/19LMatO )

23:01

bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:30: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token

23:02

Twitter was very sad today https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/583117607777243136

23:02

It turns out the photo of 4-year-old Syrian girl surrendering to a camera is real, not faked. http://t.co/7Vw3MoGWGN http://t.co/RsiQhJWDPS

23:02

*

BingoBoingo waits for Vatican to invade Damascus

23:03

rename it davatican

23:04

lmao

23:04

here all night.

23:05

but really though, the closest stable gcc version to mod6's 4.4.5 that portage still carries is 4.4.7

23:05

i'm gonna give that a shit

23:05

Also here apparently is what BuzzDave is up to atm, would rewrite but drinking my drink before crisis budget hits tommorrow. http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/

23:05

Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMOaF )

23:05

tbh gentoo is the odd one out here, which is curious

23:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148250 @ 0.00025289 = 37.4909 BTC [-]

23:05

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083563 << you don't understand : we already ARE stuck with this. want it or not.

23:05

Logged on 02-04-2015 02:21:46; asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ?

23:05

since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare :

23:06

fork the chain or maintain the historical copy.

23:06

thjaty's it.

23:06

BingoBoingo da force gotta know what to steal, right ?

23:06

usg doing a splendid job of getting the muppets do the "case da joint" work for free.

23:08

^ french housewives enforced the various 'maximums'

23:08

*

BingoBoingo actually affected by MP's deed of the day. lacks assets for USG to steal

23:08

*minimally effected

23:09

nubbins`: but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error << apply the -other- patch. the one from 2hrs ago.

23:09

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083580 << it's a leonard cohenism.

23:09

Logged on 02-04-2015 02:24:41; asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism

23:09

yeah, just checking that now

23:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y

23:10

Leonard Cohen - Democracy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1akZOFs )

23:10

hm... check that out, actually it isn't. he has a "coming through a hole in the air", thing. and there's an excellent "the night comes on. it's very clam. i'd like to imagine my father was wrong..." very powerful verse somewhere else.

23:11

i guess i contributed the mix. dj mp.

23:11

heh

23:11

Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations << this is, to use the 'manosphere' term of art, a 'shit test'

23:11

... but you don't wanna lie... not to the yo-oung...

23:11

anyone who doesn't send them off to pound sand up arse - has bowed to usg

23:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkyiu3GZ8eQ

23:12

Leonard Cohen - Love Calls You By Your Name - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1al08E5 )

23:12

asciilifeform it's probably useful in building the lists of who can be dekulakized willingly.

23:13

I dunno if anyone here other than hanbot will be familiar with BuzzDave's MO, building ASIC mining farm at any budget, whether feeds scamzors or not in the process irrelevant

23:13

list of who doesn't even consider it dekulakization - merely owner coming 'back' to take what is 'his', that he merely let you store in safekeeping for a spell.

23:13

if you built a miner, 'you didn't build that'

23:13

well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking.

23:14

airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter.

23:14

mircea_popescu has it

23:14

this has more immediate implications than commandeering mere jet factory.

23:14

*

BingoBoingo knows of no circumstantial evidence that suggest USG proxy more than exists for BuzzDave.

23:15

BingoBoingo we're talking more "coming years" than "situation atm" here.

23:15

parts of usg would gravely protest other parts of usg minting non-usd

23:15

*

BingoBoingo imagines in this instance lizards sacrificing CoinBase cred in swap to offer cred to Dave

23:16

". The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." << how to get 20k ipads for 100 bucks each ?

23:17

decimation this is not going away. the usg's hunger for btc far exceeds its hunger for anything else COMBINED.

23:20

mircea_popescu: perhaps, but to fully realize it usg would have to publicly destroy the dollar bezzle

23:20

nope.

23:20

you act from this strange notion of perfect knowledge.

23:20

who is gonna want to be paid in dollars while the fed is hoarding bitcoin

23:20

everyone ?

23:21

i don't think you appreciate how stupid people are.

23:21

who wants to fuck with an ipad when there's a perfectly usable desktop ?

23:21

I suppose the same holds roughly true with gold

23:21

who wants "drm coffee machine" ?

23:21

EVERYONE

23:21

:D

23:21

who, pray tell me, eats the shit it eats that it just shat ?

23:21

but the sheer fact of usg's gold's possession 'made' it the reserve currency

23:21

nope.

23:22

the sheer fact of the b-a of the time made it. the usg follows in all dances. never yet lead, never will lead.

23:22

once those went away... well...

23:22

and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well...

23:23

the 'headless beast' is hard to kill but easy to misguide

23:24

what are you going to kill lol, bilge water ?

23:25

"i am arthur son of uther pendragon, defeater of the molds, killer of the bilge water!"

23:25

more like ants.

23:25

asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xT8ezS6b

23:25

... ( http://bit.ly/1al2ymg )

23:25

who hasn't killed an ant colony

23:25

im off ! laters.

23:25

nubbins`: there we go

23:26

one could imagine killing an ant colony, but not all ants on a continent

23:26

as decimation helpfully pointed out ~1hr ago, ssl didn't build

23:26

see log as to why.

23:26

asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os'

23:26

"glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."

23:27

decimation: probably winblows

23:27

when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat'

23:27

nubbins`: no that's a different issue, not critical

23:27

'doesn't everyone?'

23:27

heh yeah 'mingw'

23:27

'I really like visual c++'

23:27

nubbins`: this was after my (today's) patch ?

23:27

yep

23:27

nubbins`: what do you get without it ?

23:28

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k

23:28

... ( http://bit.ly/1al2YJn )

23:28

i'm in lockstep with you, seems

23:28

nubbins`: wait

23:28

that's without -any- patches of mine?

23:28

no

23:29

with the portatronic patch.

23:29

aha.

23:29

ok so nubbins` has what i have.

23:29

*

nubbins` coughs, scratches arm

23:29

it's real bad, man

23:29

l0l

23:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209550 @ 0.0002609 = 54.6716 BTC [+]

23:31

This is BingoBoingo and welcome to day one of Axe time

23:31

asciilifeform: it strikes me that a handy product would be a little ada microcontroller with an implementation of rsa

23:31

decimation: afaik there were never dedicated ada silicon

23:31

though it would have made sense (bounds checking, etc. a la lisp machine)

23:32

ada, like lisp, is not a language. it is merely a kind of void left by removing retardation.

23:34

mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence.

23:34

*

BingoBoingo unsure how to handle axe time behind enemy lines

23:34

well, the point is that a fairly rigorous device could be made

23:35

and I suggest that key material is loaded with: paper card

23:35

decimation: i did suggest paper card at one point.

23:35

yeah I think I recall. like the 'Fialka' machine http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/card.htm

23:35

Fialka ... ( http://bit.ly/1al47jU )

23:35

like every '40s machine.

23:36

and even '80s in many cases (u.s. naval crypto used paper cards until '90 or so)

23:36

easily human inspection AND comparison

23:36

of keys.

23:37

yes.

23:37

the trouble is getting enough 'holes' on a reasonable size paper

23:43

the "fialka" grid is only 30x30

23:45

If this is what axe time is like /me wonders about sword time survivability

23:46

'Warning: never connect this 3-pin male plug (24V DC) to the 3-pin female plug (230V AC) of the mains cable. Due to bad design, it fits perfectly, but supplies the mains voltage to the 24V input of the cipher machine, causing permanent damage to the cipher machine. Be warned!' << l0l

23:46

mircea_popescu must have been thinking of this machine the other day.

23:46

heh

23:49

heh it's not a particularly fancy circuit

23:49

the psu

23:49

check out the 'tempest' psu.

23:49

http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm

23:49

PSU ... ( http://bit.ly/1al6TG5 )

23:50

ah yeah that's more useful

23:50

funny how they gave a damn re: tempest on a fucking ROTOR CRYPTO MACHINE

23:50

heh

23:50

crackable in about thirty seconds on 'commodore 64'

23:51

and why, precisely, does it need the digital output ?

23:51

in the -power supply-

23:51

wtf.

23:51

i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations

23:52

simply swap the right parts...

23:52

'Although it may seem unnecessary, the data socket (marked МАШИНА II) must be connected, as otherwise the machine will not work. This is done to ensure the use of the TEMPEST feature (see below). ' << seems to imply that it was a straight pass-through

23:52

to force dumb orcs to use it

23:52

instead of the old-fashioned power supply.

23:53

clever.

23:54

http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm#circuit << tries to prevent differential power analysis

23:54

PSU ... ( http://bit.ly/1al7AiE )

23:54

surely someone in the 'unreliable nation' would have had suspicions

23:54

so 'tempest' is mistake in terminology here

23:54

shame on'em.

23:54

(on 'cryptomuseum')

23:55

i see now that it was not a pass-through

23:55

you actually need this to retrofit constant-power

23:56

"The value of the dummy-load resistors is choosen carefully, so that they the circuit draws the same current as the solenoids. As a result, the PSU will not only supply a constant voltage, but will also consume a constant current" < this seems dubious on production units

23:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87700 @ 0.00026091 = 22.8818 BTC [+] {2}

23:56

decimation: you can see the trimpots

23:56

plausible.

23:56

but,

23:56

'In some of the circuits, 2TC613 ICs are used [1]. Each of these ICs contains four transistors, They belong to one of the first generations of Russian ICs.' << another howler

23:57

that is -not- an integrated circuit in the modern sense!

23:57

was that one of your 'tiny pcbs in a tin'?

23:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023292

23:57

Logged on 18-02-2015 06:16:02; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest

23:57

them.

23:58

I like the 30 mil traces

23:58

they didn't solder by machine, aha.

23:58

plus had to drive solenoids

23:59

having a printed circuit in this machine at all was 'high tech'

23:59