#trilema | 2015-03-30

risc os: wat

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67928 @ 0.00027013 = 18.3494 BTC [-]

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nubbins`: wai where ?!

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<mircea_popescu> jurov that piece is, roughly speaking, the result of a cat reading a mayan calendar and inputting the result into google translate. << it's actually a -double- ripoff. actually a condensed plagiarism of 'the roman guide to slave management' (j. toner) - an equally 'zebra hitler'-y work

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(what's a 'zebra hitler' ? it is this kind of 'historical' work. as exemplified by http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 )

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The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1Id8DeJ )

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asciilifeform heh, it's available for raspi. got me reading. a true anomaly

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112843 @ 0.00026884 = 30.3367 BTC [-] {3}

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nubbins`: risc os is an interesting '80s relic

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msdos-era thingie, with graphics and cooperative multitasking

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(one fandangoing proggy can hose machine)

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apparently there's a band of weirdos still polishing it

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like the beos folks, yes

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aha

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bebox!

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i suspect there will be folks worshipping '80s detritus for many, many years

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like the barbarians decorating sword hilts with pieces of roman mosaic in 500 ad

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hell, we're all using '70s os

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or adults watching 80s cartoons on youtube

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8)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00026428 = 26.5734 BTC [-] {2}

00:34

spent an enjoyable evening getting a gentoo vm up and running from scratch, in the meantime

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asciilifeform: might as well run it on a 6502 chip :)

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meantime, anyone run into this? make: Nothing to be done for 'pogoplug_defconfig'.

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nubbins`: let me guess, already built once ?

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that part just copies configs to the correct spots, it doesn't build anything

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gotta 'make' after that.

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ah.

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read the recipe again

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step 8 - 10

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ok, here we go

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nubbins` abandoning the macbox?

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nah, dat shiny window manager. running gentoo via virtualbox

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ben_vulpes: built pogotron yet ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25706 @ 0.00027548 = 7.0815 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00027548 = 13.3883 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66896 @ 0.00027264 = 18.2385 BTC [-]

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01:43

asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027264 = 5.4255 BTC [-]

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02:31

asciilifeform yeah, straight plagiarism would require reading source material.

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i doubt anyone in the usacademia has read anything first hand in the past three decades.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00027232 = 22.766 BTC [-] {2}

02:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70534 @ 0.00026587 = 18.7529 BTC [-]

02:32

https://www.google.com/search?q=primo,+latinam+studere << google first hit for me is here.

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primo, latinam studere - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIPkLa )

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BingoBoingo win.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079265 << would readily explain what's wrong with the us.

02:39

Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)

02:39

they took the opposite tack.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079288 http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/ full work sample quoted there.

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Logged on 30-03-2015 03:45:30; mats: did the original thing pass orders? or just report the book?

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The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIPRgj )

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asciilifeform basically, "the protocols of the elders of zion" is not an isolated product, much like the spec of dust that has a light shone on just right isn't the only spec available in the area.

02:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0002631 = 4.2359 BTC [-] {2}

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http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 << original zebra hitler

02:43

The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1Id8DeJ )

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03:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00026271 = 8.1966 BTC [-]

03:12

cazalla

g'evening all.. so what do exactly do i need to access the pogo via serial port?

03:12

cazalla

seen a few diff serial cables around so it's all a bit new to me

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cazalla: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << soldering instructions here, as well as net console

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... ( http://bit.ly/1DWH0qn )

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I used the net console method without issue

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cazalla

thanks trinque

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19522 @ 0.00026881 = 5.2477 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00026858 = 11.8444 BTC [-] {2}

03:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18854 @ 0.00027264 = 5.1404 BTC [+]

03:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00027473 = 4.1622 BTC [+]

03:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.0002736 = 8.315 BTC [-]

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04:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88270 @ 0.00027354 = 24.1454 BTC [-] {2}

04:23

!up Vexual

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heyo

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026273 = 5.2546 BTC [-]

04:28

qantas to put highly trained hosties in the cockpit while the pilot takes a piss. Is'nt that what just happened?

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heck i don't need a piss on a 14 hour flight, the drinks come so slow

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hey look, im tweeting

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O.o

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46165 @ 0.00026272 = 12.1285 BTC [-] {2}

04:40

just the general form of my prose bb

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Ah

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@ventti envoyez plus de trucs gratuits

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thats why twitter doent work, noone does it

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I see

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mornings

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!up Vexual

05:03

morin tsp

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id buy yall a coffee, but its better to wake up slowly

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i went to bed 8 hours ago, so I'm wide awake

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gonna start going to bed as the sun goes down like an old person

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wise beyond your years i suppose

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I'd rather wake up when everyone is asleep cuz I hate people.

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thats why i dont drink on nye

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drunks errywhere

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also i got caught on an instroke with friedcat/havelock

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i was almost finished too

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!up bb_

05:23

fxkin oriental sex manufacturer dolls

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Vexual: Still better than the Inuit doll manufcterer sex

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oooh rawhide?

05:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00025761 = 18.6767 BTC [-]

05:27

rawhide and bear oil for lube

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yeah i might stick with camgirls and waterbased

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ive herad that bearoil gets adulterated with amphetamines eh

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!up Vexual

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that nicotine buzz lol

05:36

!up Xuthus

05:41

melbourne to ban smoking in the cbd

05:41

yes i bought a tv; the foxtel girl never came back, and she left a diamond earring?! wtf

05:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11485 @ 0.00025761 = 2.9587 BTC [-]

05:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XszE4RynIKU big rock

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first things i saw

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why she was selling cable i dunno

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gap year i can only suppose

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dumb as shit, musta someone bought em for her

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prolly working for the govt in france nao

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head coked to one side

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that should read cocked

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CwmhYw6NMk

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;;seen duffer

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duffer was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Duffer> ya saw earlier today as it happened /wish i had free capital

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fuck that long

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research must be going well

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hmmm...

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!up Vexual

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does he go by another handle?

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*

Vexual shakes head slowly

06:18

Vexual waitwhat? you fapped to friedcat/havelock using bear oil?

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no, but i was in for a few bits when he dissappeared

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in where?

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well, havelock essentially

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coinbr is next

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i love a bit of inout

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*

jurov gives out

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shh

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er.. i meant gave up :DDD

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shh

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*

jurov cowers before beardoll

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yeah im kinda broke now

06:25

!ticker

06:25

You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.

06:25

;;ticker

06:25

Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.98, Best ask: 245.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 245.99, 24 hour volume: 33440.25854513, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 252.0, 24 hour vwap: None

06:26

where are you from anyay?

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i know naphex and nano now, but i still cant slovakia slovenia

06:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85169 @ 0.00026646 = 22.6941 BTC [+] {2}

06:29

it's euro in-joke

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what? it's the same?

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shh

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lol

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i must depart, ive spilt things

06:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00026935 = 21.7365 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74048 @ 0.00026277 = 19.4576 BTC [-] {2}

06:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00026032 = 17.7018 BTC [-]

07:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00026841 = 13.3596 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18895 @ 0.00026032 = 4.9187 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30405 @ 0.00025738 = 7.8256 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110686 @ 0.00025729 = 28.4784 BTC [-] {2}

07:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00027147 = 15.053 BTC [+] {3}

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07:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7438 @ 0.00025715 = 1.9127 BTC [-]

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08:13

!t m s.mpex

08:13

The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

08:13

!t m s.mpoe

08:13

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00025715 / 0.0002675 / 0.0002812 (4589948 shares, 1,227.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.0002492 / 0.00028207 (25918080 shares, 6,458.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00031363 / 0.0004493 (89667991 shares, 28,122.63 BTC)

08:13

!t m s.qntr

08:13

[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024784 / 0.00028609 (45159 shares, 11.19 BTC)

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08:30

assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. <-- i followed neil young trail, now even more confused

08:35

jurov thanks for crediting my coinbr account

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what?

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i made a deposit, it showed up :)

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!rate jurov 1

08:36

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/83089e4c6a0f4c91

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ah. it's down atm, due to maintenance

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back in a minute

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oh ok, everything ok?

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yes

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19913 @ 0.00025715 = 5.1206 BTC [-]

08:43

http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/free-flap-surgery/

08:43

Anesthesia Resident Finishes Reading Entire Internet During Free Flap Surgery | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dduxiw )

08:45

funkenstein_: it's done and back online

08:46

interesting you've chosen that exact moment to mention coinbr, it unnerved me a bit :)

08:47

the great spirit has spoken

08:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41830 @ 0.00025715 = 10.7566 BTC [-]

08:47

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/spence-jackson-spokesman-for-the-late-tom-schweich-found-dead/article_81520750-f9cd-560c-8ecd-78163eeed778.html << The plot thickens

08:47

Spence Jackson, spokesman for the late Tom Schweich, found dead : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdvEPg )

08:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.0002576 = 5.6672 BTC [+]

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09:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.0002576 = 2.3055 BTC [+]

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09:25

;;later tell funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << this dpaste expired, can you create a non-expiring pastebin for this?

09:25

Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8nicp )

09:25

The operation succeeded.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84748 @ 0.00026307 = 22.2947 BTC [+]

09:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00027419 = 13.5176 BTC [+] {2}

09:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00026265 = 13.1194 BTC [-] {2}

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10:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16913 @ 0.00026801 = 4.5329 BTC [+]

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10:57

<+cazalla> g'evening all.. so what do exactly do i need to access the pogo via serial port? <<< any usb-to-serial converter will do. i think mine was "deluxe" and cost $10 from arduino-supply shop

10:58

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873

10:58

SparkFun FTDI Basic Breakout - 3.3V - DEV-09873 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9BoJ1 )

10:58

(deluxe in this sense means that it's brightly coloured, has the word "fun" on it)

11:00

nubbins` et al: if you have a genuine serial port on your box, something based on max232 (e.g., http://www.amazon.com/Nextrox%C2%AE-MAX232-Converter-Adapter-Module/dp/B00BXCYAO6 ) will also work

11:00

Amazon.com: Nextrox® New MAX232 RS232 To TTL Converter/Adapter Module Board: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9BIaO )

11:00

otherwise the usb thing.

11:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30995 @ 0.00027176 = 8.4232 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00026078 = 12.9868 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00025994 = 13.127 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00026485 = 1.854 BTC [+]

11:20

ls

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screen -r 3

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oops

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LOL

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height=304635 vs height=218492

11:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078523 << no

11:24

Logged on 29-03-2015 03:30:50; mircea_popescu: did you get wiki editing rights ?

11:24

http://n-o-d-e.net/post/115030545546/how-to-build-a-bitcoin-node-on-the-raspberry-pi-2

11:24

N O D E ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9GchE )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1079035 << i did it; it worked. I'm still getting spam emails from them

11:30

Logged on 29-03-2015 18:48:34; asciilifeform: nubbins`: notice how nobody here bothered with the 'request unlock' thing or even knows if it ever worked

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haha

11:32

i am also still getting spam

11:42

http://www.righto.com/2014/10/how-z80s-registers-are-implemented-down.html << since 'z80' receives so many mentions around here, this may be of interest to log readers

11:42

Down to the silicon: how the Z80's registers are implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9IZaE )

11:44

ken shirriff also has a neat piece on the ibm 1401, which were apparently dead reliable, used decimal arithmetic, and were rented for upwards of $10k/mo in 1960. oh the bygone days of computing!

11:44

here: http://www.righto.com/2015/03/12-minute-mandelbrot-fractals-on-50.html

11:44

12-minute Mandelbrot: fractals on a 50 year old IBM 1401 mainframe ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9JscM )

11:46

gross, virtual hd ran outta space

11:46

turns out 8gb ain't enough

11:51

;;bc,stats

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11:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079484 << https://archive.today/sqYlH

11:52

Logged on 30-03-2015 13:25:06; mod6: ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << this dpaste expired, can you create a non-expiring pastebin for this?

11:52

dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9KS6Y )

11:53

danielpbarron: got it thanks.

11:53

*

danielpbarron breaths sigh of relief now that caught up on logs

11:53

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/one-dead-two-injured-outside-nsa-gate/ << ft meade kerfuffle

11:53

Two Injured Outside NSA Gate « CBS DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9Lbib )

11:53

phew!

11:56

"There is no indication that the incident was terrorism-related."

11:56

fuck i hate that word

11:56

what they're attempting to say, in different words, is "there is no reason for you, pleb, to feel scared"

11:56

you hate "indication"?

11:56

:P

11:57

with the implication that in the future, when the incident IS terrorism-related, y'all better get scared

11:59

pete_dushenski the token canadian

11:59

(jk nubbins` )

11:59

i'm as far away from a token canadian as you can get

11:59

can you have more than one token ?

12:00

only at noah's arcade

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12:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54881 @ 0.00026925 = 14.7767 BTC [+] {3}

12:19

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/nyregion/silk-road-case-federal-agents-charges.html?_r=1

12:19

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9PNFb )

12:20

Mr. Force, while investigating Silk Road, “stole and converted to his own personal use a sizeable amount of bitcoins,” >> heh

12:20

great name though

12:21

real name ya think ?

12:21

"the name's Force, Carl Force. Carl Mark Force IV."

12:21

sounds like the name of a lincoln car

12:22

scoop http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/

12:22

The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Erd0oB )

12:22

so maybe someone's come across this before. i created an 8gb VDI disk in virtualbox but ran outta space. so i cloned it into a 15gb dynamically-allocated disk, pointed the vm at the new disk, virtualbox correctly reports the hd as 14gb

12:23

but gentoo isn't picking up the change

12:24

nubbins`: you need to resize the partition within Linux

12:25

yeah, that's where i'm stuck. fdisk /dev/sda reports a size mismatch

12:25

says "will be corrected by w(rite)"

12:25

but w says fdisk: failed to write disklabel: Invalid argument

12:27

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 228 @ 0.0044009 = 1.0034 BTC [+] {3}

12:31

http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/

12:31

Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErfZ0t )

12:33

BingoBoingo wd.

12:34

;;bc,stats

12:34

12:34

pete_dushenski: Well, I have another 38 blocks until I can hit publish on the other short piece I put together this morning

12:35

BingoBoingo :0

12:35

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/

12:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00026145 = 17.125 BTC [-] {3}

12:35

that bitcoin backing time again...

12:35

hm is persecuted the right word

12:35

nubbins`: Yes. He wanted to opt out of their oppression, but they wouldn't let him.

12:36

;;dict persecution

12:36

wn: persecution n 1: the act of persecuting (especially on the basis of race or religion)

12:36

groan

12:36

;;dict persecute

12:36

wn: persecute v 1: cause to suffer; "Jews were persecuted in the former Soviet Union" [syn: {persecute}, {oppress}]

12:36

ugh, where are these definitions coming from?

12:37

etymology?

12:37

;;dict prosecute

12:37

wn: prosecute v 1: conduct a prosecution in a court of law 2: bring a criminal action against (in a trial); "The State of California prosecuted O.J. Simpson" [ant: {defend}, {represent}] 3: carry out or participate in an activity; be involved in; "She pursued many activities"; "They engaged in a discussion" [syn: {prosecute}, {engage}, {pursue}]

12:37

nubbins`: See they made him suffer

12:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00025865 = 2.496 BTC [-]

12:38

Chillum: Prosecute is the wrong word. Lawyers prosecute. Agents persecute.

12:38

one can do both

12:38

Lawyers indeed can do both.

12:39

you have to be really stupid to get caught stealing bitcoins

12:39

but then... government workers

12:39

But Mr. Mark Force IV is not a member of the bar, so no prosecuting for him.

12:39

BingoBoingo persecution is sustained, systematic suffering

12:39

i'm not persecuting you if i hold you down and fart on your head.

12:40

nubbins`: You are though if you keep it up for years

12:40

*

nubbins` shrugs

12:40

your headline

12:40

you know the suffix isn't part of the abbreviated name, right? like bob jones III is just mr. jones.

12:40

It is my responsibility as media people to frame the discussion

12:41

That... mike_c I'll have to dig up my AP stylebook...

12:42

chetty

what we don't have a b-a stylebook? (rofl)

12:42

BingoBoingo: see NYT article, they (correctly) just call him mr. force.

12:42

which is funny enough as is :)

12:43

I kinda prefer him with a model number...

12:43

!up bitstein

12:44

complaint has been unsealed, perhaps it is available? I'd love to see how many btc they took

12:44

I'll check pacer in a bit

12:45

because if it was actually "sizable".. and they didn't get it back..

12:45

I think if someone has III at the end of their name you just call them Trips

12:45

heh

12:45

Mr. Force Quad

12:46

more like Mr. Force Kin, amirite?

12:46

bitstein

BingoBoingo: re: "Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested": Daniel Krawisz has written some fantastic articles about the incentives for defection. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoins-rugged-individualism/ http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoins-shroud-of-subtlety-and-allure/ http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-fappening/

12:46

Bitcoin's Rugged Individualism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlcWa )

12:46

Bitcoin's Shroud of Subtlety and Allure | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlaNT )

12:46

The Fappening — Brought to You By The Information Marketplace | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlaNZ )

12:46

bitstein: I'll have to give them a re-read.

12:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00027452 = 10.5553 BTC [+]

13:03

heh "fuck jim prentice" was 2.4% of the search results leading to contravex

13:04

recall that he's the premier of alberta who threatened sales taxes

13:04

So either this thing isn't in Pacer yet, or I've been searching the wrong courts

13:04

he didn't end up introdocing a provincial sales tax, but last week he re-introduced health care premiums and raised gas taxes

13:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00027496 = 13.9955 BTC [+] {3}

13:07

"Tobacco taxes will increase by $5 on a 200 cigarette carton. Liquor markups will increase by 90 cents on a case of beer and 16 cents on a bottle of wine or spirits." << moar tackses

13:09

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Chillum builds a still

13:09

carton of smokes (200 darts) now ~$100 here.

13:10

glad the stuff I smoke is not taxed

13:10

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pete_dushenski remembers seeing $1.40 packs of marlboros in ukraine

13:10

i bought a $15 carton once in japan

13:10

Chillum you're so black market eh

13:10

I live in BC, it is a green market

13:11

even the cops smoke pot around here

13:11

lol i didn't know we were neighbours

13:11

I am an Islander

13:11

if i did, i forgot!

13:11

(the big one)

13:11

not queen charlottes then

13:12

the one that dips below the 49th parallel

13:12

i haven't been to the 'big island' in a while but i have a trip planned to victoria in may

13:12

When you come to Vic, send me a message. We can 420

13:13

i'll try to fit you in

13:14

!up bitstein

13:16

Canadia and your Beasters

13:16

ick

13:16

Chillum: you would 420 with a name like Chillum. Lemme guess you smoke out of a Chillum? LOL

13:18

;;google chillum

13:18

Chillum (pipe) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chillum_(pipe)>; Chillums - Smoking Pipes - Grasscity.com: <http://www.grasscity.com/us_en/smoking-pipes/chillums>; The RIGHT way to smoke a chillum - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjjVD7pEuaE>

13:18

heh

13:18

moar scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/30/these-are-the-belladonnas-of-the-digital-garden/

13:18

These are the Belladonnas of the digital garden. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJDNAk )

13:18

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Chillum is getting off topic here, but is hanging out in ##stoned

13:19

^ if anyone has recommendations of "technologies to avoid for safety, security, and sanity" please to advise

13:19

it's about time that la serenissima has a list of contraband

13:19

avoid facebook cause it'll give you an anurism

13:20

read the list i have before 'adding' ;)

13:20

social media is on there.

13:20

pete_dushenski: trying to enumerate badness?

13:21

broadly speaking

13:21

trying to identify landmines

13:22

well only OpenSSL had heartbleed

13:22

os x, smartphones, intel chips

13:22

of which i grant there are millions, but are bigger fish and smaller fish

13:22

!up ascii_field

13:23

ben_vulpes smartphones yes, others depend on generation

13:23

unlike windowz, whose suckage doesn't depend on generation

13:23

thestringpuller good point.

13:23

<thestringpuller> well only OpenSSL had heartbleed << The other big SSL implementations had their own flaws unveiled in the following months that essentially accomplished the same insecurity.

13:23

10.6 << golden era

13:24

agreed :)

13:24

BingoBoingo: ah i thought there were some "sane" TLS implementations. I don't use it so I can't really speak on it.

13:24

<ben_vulpes> 10.6 << golden era << 7.5.1

13:24

'Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested' << for what it's worth, i predicted that bitcoin will help usg fission into men and groups of men with actual, if unofficial - agency (in the philosophical sense)

13:24

BingoBoingo: heh right?

13:24

BingoBoingo i knew you were going to bring up 7!

13:24

pete_dushenski: anything made by Apple should be on that list.

13:25

Pre like 1999

13:25

ish

13:25

ascii_field: Seems to already be happening. Mark Force IV was only flawed by a lack of fissures

13:25

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#871059 and earlier.

13:25

Logged on 13-10-2014 19:14:19; asciilifeform: ulbricht << unless he's learned to grind rsa in his head, how is this to happen? his jailers will otherwise have the key at their leisure.

13:25

Pretty sure all tech before Dr. Dre's the Chronic 2001 came out is fucked in some way.

13:25

thestringpuller so pre-ipod/imac ?

13:25

yea.

13:26

Anything pre intel chips

13:26

the PowerPC era

13:26

well now i wish i had my 450mhz g3 tower !

13:26

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nubbins` has a massive chillum somewhere

13:26

Can't beat MIPS

13:26

dat inability to use without a friend

13:26

lol do all canadians smoke nugs?

13:26

http://i.imgur.com/9sxBf51.png

13:27

^lol!

13:27

some chug brewskis

13:27

mats

i have a pile of powerpc apple laptops

13:28

useful.

13:29

thestringpuller ya, the newer stuff is fucked but not beyond usefulness

13:29

you can't run irc on an ibm 1401

13:29

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/30/nyregion/document-charges-against-former-federal-agents-in-silk-road-investigation.html << mega-l0l

13:29

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJGqSV )

13:29

^ the thing itself

13:29

<+thestringpuller> lol do all canadians smoke nugs? <<< enough do

13:30

dat de-facto legalization

13:30

as long as you can make attacks expensive, newish (not new!) hardware works

13:30

pete_dushenski: well you could...but it wouldn't be "fun"

13:30

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nubbins` ports 0.5.3.1 to risc os

13:31

though i'd be interested to poll b-a'ers as to what hardware they use daily for irc/web

13:31

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ascii_field recommends that everyone read the Force & Bridges indictment, it is an absolute circus

13:31

pete_dushenski late-2008 mb

13:31

three-ring circus, with elephants, walrus, cacodaemons.

13:31

thestringpuller right. like web surfing on og lisa or something

13:31

pete_dushenski: the implemenation wouldn't be on the level of what most of us are running, but there could be some kind of IRC-like communication. But yea no one wants to run a 1401 for other reasons...

13:32

ascii_field: Any links to where it might be living. Haven't been able to spot it on Pacer.

13:32

BingoBoingo: see the last nyt link

13:32

i imagine the future a bunch of people running altair 8800 clones in caves to talk to each other in binary XD

13:32

if you can extract the text from there, more win

13:32

nubbins` 7 years old, not bad

13:32

recently upgraded to 8gb ram and a new battery too, breathed a bit of new life

13:33

thestringpuller lol

13:33

pete_dushenski: amd opterons, 'tyan' board circa '07

13:33

and buncha lesser machines

13:33

+1 for lessers

13:33

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nubbins` has olpc xo-1 somewhere

13:33

ascii_field: and his love of Opterons

13:33

uncanny

13:33

People LIKE YOU love that processor to death

13:33

thestringpuller: not much alternative

13:33

ascii_field you and mp using amd, mac lusers never had this option

13:34

actually had a Tandy 1000 SX stashed at my folks' house until last year

13:34

they had ppc option ;p

13:34

https://twitter.com/charlieshrem/status/582439316988796929

13:34

Well I'm off to prison now! Follow my twitter for tweets from the inside /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash

13:34

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nubbins` ports bitcoind to IBM i

13:34

true, and i have a ppc tower, but omgerd it's slow

13:34

'tweets from the inside' ?!

13:34

ascii_field: I'm just jelly cause I was always too poor to own an opteron machine. I had to stick with the lesser Athlons

13:35

ascii_field "tweets from the president"

13:35

ascii_field: Shrem is going to the sort of prison where you have Twitter access

13:35

thestringpuller: you can probably get same machine that i use every day for less than the cost of a couplea pogos

13:35

"prison"

13:35

ascii_field: you're allowed to tweet from inside federal prison known as "club fed"

13:35

fluffypony and a tennis court

13:35

yes and a tennis court

13:35

and spa day

13:35

and congical visits

13:35

horses, 9 hole golf course

13:35

Shrem isn't going ot jail, he's going on vacation.

13:36

iirc such prisons are largely mythical

13:36

paid for with our tax dollars

13:36

ascii_field: tell that to martha steward :P

13:36

^^^^^

13:36

sure, if obama goes to prison, one such will be found for him.

13:36

as it was for certain mafia dons

13:36

i saw a commercial once where martha stewart said she /had to learn how to make creme caramel in the microwave/ while she was in prison

13:37

what would be brilliant is if he tweets and then after 3 weeks he goes dark

13:37

but for a monkey - why ?

13:37

and nobody hears from him for 2 years

13:37

till he gets released, and he's become this muscle-bound gangsta covered in prison tats

13:37

exacting revenge on the government that put him behind bars

13:37

fluffypony: you watch too much tv

13:38

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-XW9400-Workstation-8-Cores-AMD-Opteron-2-5GHz-8GB-RAM-FX1800-768MB-Computer-/201226732787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eda0c44f3 << maybe 20 pogos worth of opteron here

13:38

HP XW9400 Workstation 8 Cores AMD Opteron 2 5GHz 8GB RAM FX1800 768MB Computer | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJIlXA )

13:38

Charlie Shrem: The Revenge

13:38

fluffypony your advice re: hdd worked

13:38

had to use parted instead of fdisk

13:38

pete_dushenski: considerably more juice in that one than what i have

13:39

glad I could help nubbins`

13:39

ascii_field why opteron?

13:39

i ask because i highly doubt it was a casual choice

13:39

nubbins`: because ecc and not intel

13:39

ascii_field and it's still not 'unaffordable'

13:39

i have ecc on main machine but... intel

13:39

ascii_field: told my buddy about your necessity of ECC ram. his response, "Dafuq he doing? Rocket science? Evil science shit?!?"

13:40

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nubbins` doubts alf casually purchases anything that manipulates electrons

13:40

pretty sure buying ECC RAM in the future will put you on watch list

13:41

did i mention that i saw a cop help someone break into a house earlier?

13:41

thestringpuller well we can't really be more on the 'watch list' then we already are

13:41

so might as well stock up!

13:41

i will confess that upon first coming to #b-a i was greatly surprised that any of the folks involved with something called 'bitcoin assets' might have any doubts as to the necessity of ecc given that correct computation of a certain answer -actually means your arse-

13:41

they treat me pretty nice for black d00d on watch list

13:42

ascii_field before you came along there was probably more blissful ignorance

13:42

just as there is everywhere outside of here

13:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44136 @ 0.00027535 = 12.1528 BTC [+] {3}

13:43

thestringpuller that's just reverse-racism

13:44

mircea_popescu, i think it was, had a term, 'pornwatchingcomputer'

13:44

that is to say, a machine where the 'answers' don't actually matter

13:45

because so what if it snowcrashes mid-flick, so you have to use imagination, or somethinglikethat

13:45

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/30/us-usa-maryland-fortmeade-idUSKBN0MQ1H520150330

13:45

One dead, one hurt as men try to ram U.S. spy agency gates: reports| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJJWfU )

13:45

trinque: appeared earlier in log

13:46

ascii_field: ah, searched for it, overlooked

13:46

figured so

13:46

mebbe someone was trying to sabotage ft meade's magick bitcoin mining op

13:47

nubbins` | with the implication that in the future, when the incident IS terrorism-related, y'all better get scared

13:47

damn, copied the return

13:47

trinque: good time to rehash my observation that the only 'decisive' people, as in out-and-out arms against usg - are the schizos, imbeciles, and provocateurs

13:47

that sounds about right

13:47

at least as far as publicly visible

13:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00027236 = 2.0291 BTC [-]

13:49

ascii_field these are various descriptors for 'non-normies'

13:50

it makes sense that the typical box-checkers and form-fillers would be... typical

13:50

pete_dushenski: these are descriptors for the folks who happily buy faux death rays from feds and imprisoned for life, or ram a gate because the voices commanded it

13:51

well in that sense, 'decisive' is merely gullible

13:51

some years ago, when i still worked at [small usg research outpost] we had a 'gatehouse incident.' much commotion and yellow tape, etc. turned out, guard blew own brains out messily

13:53

I expect more crazies to crack in response to "the walls have ears" as time goes on

13:55

i recall in 2002 when the G8 summit was being held in canada, i was working in ottawa at fed gov bldg across the street from department of foreign affairs

13:55

main entrance walled off w/ concrete blocks and row upon row of zigzagging gates

13:55

!up ascii_field

13:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43472 @ 0.00026071 = 11.3336 BTC [-] {2}

13:55

i wander over lunchtime to walk inside, armed guard stops me

13:55

"i wanna use the ATM"

13:55

lets me thru o.O

13:56

'i wanna use the hawaladar, let me through' probably would not work

13:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20138 @ 0.00025715 = 5.1785 BTC [-]

13:56

and nubbins` must have left his turban at home that day.

13:56

haha

13:56

protip to protestors: wear a polo shirt

13:57

incidentally, the only sign of protest i saw the entire day was "McMurder" spray painted on the plywooded McDonald's on Rideau

13:58

(in addition to the plywood coverings, it was also deemed prudent to cover the McD's-branded awning with a tarp)

14:01

I am surprised at how quickly "not terrorism related" gets stamped on the event

14:03

is the purpose there to avoid "legitimizing" the existence of US-born malcontents?

14:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12648 @ 0.00026082 = 3.2989 BTC [+]

14:12

http://www.loper-os.org/pub/us_v_force.tar.gz << BingoBoingo cazalla et al >> qntra cache ?

14:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74650 @ 0.00026826 = 20.0256 BTC [+]

14:16

^ describes, among many other lulz, how one of the most damning acts of mr force was to encourage dpr to use pgp

14:16

(allegedly to coordinate bribe-taking)

14:18

lol

14:18

and contains howlers like 'the entire point of PGP software is anonymity'

14:19

BingoBoingo: consider putting the gifs up

14:20

(full de-pdfization)

14:20

It's in the que

14:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00026082 = 1.4345 BTC [-]

14:24

that thing is epic

14:24

subpoenas without legal authority? check. involvement of main detectives in btc scamming -check..

14:25

makes the original ulbricht accusation look like a total snorefest

14:26

Updated to include the document

14:26

!up ascii_field

14:26

BingoBoingo: i suggest unzipping

14:26

so folks can link to the pages

14:26

now i gotta read this

14:26

mircea_popescu: mega-l0ltr0n

14:26

won't regret reading

14:26

http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/ << o look at that.

14:26

Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1abwpgV )

14:27

check out that crazy mp saying the usms thing was fraudulent!

14:27

who would have believed it &c.

14:27

mircea_popescu: they don't admit -all of it- having been pinched

14:27

check out that crazy mp telling sec to back up its supoenas in writing.

14:27

check out that crazy mp each and every fucking way!

14:28

read the damn thing, prepare to pick yourself up from floor

14:28

BingoBoingo i will be forever grateful if qntra breaks with the general trend in the "press" and actually points out that MP knew this months ago.

14:29

> froze a coinmkt account and transferred it to himself

14:29

noice

14:29

also it's prosecuted not persecuted, unless intentional.

14:30

<mircea_popescu> also it's prosecuted not persecuted, unless intentional. << Totally intentional. Preet prosecuted, thugs merely persecuted. With pogroms and fake assassinens

14:30

aha.

14:31

good thing they got the conviction through BEFORE saying these people were felons

14:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63454 @ 0.00026082 = 16.5501 BTC [-]

14:31

that way they don't have to explain to the judge why the testimony of convicted felons should be taken seriously.

14:31

Also this is why the Maryland murder for hire thing couldn't be tried

14:31

now let's see the da that KNEW THIS and made this call prosecuted under rico.

14:31

BingoBoingo exactly.

14:31

it's not like the guy in charge didn't KNOW what was happening.

14:32

he knew, lied to the judge - which is enough for disbarment, and broke half the laws in the book, which is enough for 20 to life.

14:32

especially as he conspired with others to do so, who idem 20 to life.

14:32

now let's see this thing actually done.

14:32

<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i will be forever grateful if qntra breaks with the general trend in the "press" and actually points out that MP knew this months ago. << perhaps you want to take this one on? My venom sacs are running low after the disappearing lawsuit and this happening.

14:32

because no, i won't be impressed or satisfied with a coupla muppet heads cracked open.

14:33

pigs will fly, and above speed of light too, before this is prosecuted.

14:33

notrly.

14:33

ascii_field makes no difference.

14:33

ascii_field: the crime was not giving the privkeys to the bossman, if i read correctly

14:33

ben_vulpes in the system they live in, this is a crime.

14:35

"i was afraid of offending if I sent too little and looking foolish if i sent too much."

14:35

yeah, this is just the guy who got *busted* for operating SR.

14:35

actually fuck it, i guess it's time to write a cv.

14:36

it boggles the mind that Force got DPR using gpg.

14:36

mircea_popescu: cv?

14:39

mats

resume.

14:39

mats: der, but for himself, force, dpr?

14:40

"additional pieces of circumstantial evidence prove that FORCE is "French Maid." Both "French Maid" and Force (operating as "Nob") used the exact same brand of PGP software,a feww brand called GnuPG. There are different brands of PGP software, so it is noteworthy that both FORCE (operating as "Nob") and "French Maid" used the same brand."

14:40

look at them flail, trying to apply their old tactics of identity discovery to the new world.

14:40

!b 2

14:40

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DH0ZV7.txt )

14:40

"they also both used the same outdated version of that software 1.4.12"

14:41

"...the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available."

14:41

listen up, logreaders.

14:41

chetty

omg, we all log on to b-a, must be the same person

14:41

there is only one kind of signature that can prove identity in this marvelous world where grownups use crypto.

14:41

a fucking signature.

14:41

it starts like this

14:42

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

14:42

ben_vulpes: ever sit on a jury in usa? recall what it was like ?

14:42

ascii_field: they don't let real humans actually sit.

14:43

ben_vulpes: l0l i did

14:43

how hard did you work to get through voire dire?

14:43

was a petty theft case but very instructive

14:43

ben_vulpes: got lucky

14:43

what is it with you and self flagellation with the usg scourge

14:43

anyway, this crud is not intended to prove anything to jury, but to the defense attorney

14:43

correct.

14:43

lmao it's totally notable yeah

14:43

as in "he uses terrorists brand"

14:43

namely that he should tell his client to plead

14:44

because 'surrender now, watertight case'

14:44

"and also the last uncompromised one, at that."

14:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00026826 = 3.1252 BTC [+]

14:49

for the record, the gpg.conf flag that excludes versions is 'no-emit-version'

14:49

it still HAS a version.

14:50

but yeah

14:51

"both perps had version string disabled, hence same person "

14:52

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BingoBoingo soliciting pieces of force case. So many stories here can probably publish multiple takes.

14:54

ascii_field: http://qntra.net/bundles/force/ (some still uploading)

14:54

Index of /bundles/force ... ( http://bit.ly/1abA7qS )

14:57

!up ascii_field

14:58

BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3HYQ3EX.txt

14:58

... ( http://bit.ly/1abACks )

14:58

ferglubbsake

14:58

nobody wants to sit and click

15:03

http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/hacks/lotus-nsa-key.html

15:03

NSA Backdoor Key from Lotus-Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1abBmWU )

15:03

i have put it into phuctor, found nothing

15:04

the lotus thing is ancient history

15:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00026418 = 7.331 BTC [-] {2}

15:05

the translation isn't ru either

15:05

it's be

15:05

ascii_field: fixed

15:05

they make nice coins

15:05

http://qntra.net/bundles/force << congrats BingoBoingo

15:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1abBGFb )

15:06

well. they sell nice coins. i doubt they mint 'em domestically

15:09

last couple of gifs show the masterminds

15:11

everyone who loaded BingoBoingo's original link, reload

15:12

it has civilized clickless display now.

15:13

what the fuck is kim dot com's problem

15:17

goddamnit, i need a new printer. any recommendations? i want scan, print, and print pictures of my kid (nothing professional needed).

15:17

nubbins`: what's your grip with him?

15:17

*gripe

15:17

shopping for a printer feels like swimming through a swamp for some reason.

15:17

nothing, i guess

15:18

mike_c if you want an all-in-one, i can't help ya

15:18

i can recommend a nice printer setup tho

15:18

yeah, i figured you'd be too high end. you don't have any workaday favorites?

15:18

how bout brand in general? HP/canon/etc?

15:20

i'll never buy anything but epson

15:20

in fairness, the epson 1430 is really nice, 13" wide-format, and it's probably only like $200-250usd right now.

15:21

ugh ink

15:22

well they don't make home laser color printers i don't think

15:22

ascii_field that's my next step

15:22

mike_c http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product.do?sku=C11CA45201

15:22

Epson Artisan 50 Inkjet Printer - Product Information - Epson America, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEdyZ )

15:22

mike_c: by the tonne

15:22

with https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/Art50%20kit/CIS%20Kit%20Art50.htm

15:22

.:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEfai )

15:22

mike_c: for a few hundy

15:23

(home colour laser)

15:23

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nubbins` pays $50usd for 32oz of printer ink

15:23

does the ink still run when you sneeze on the page ?

15:23

oh yeah, look at that.

15:23

ascii_field is right tho, color lasers are ubiquitous and cheap. you can get one for around the same price.

15:23

ascii_field that's a function of the paper 8)

15:23

i know little to nothing about this.. is toner cheaper than ink?

15:24

mike_c name-brand toner is cheaper than name-brand ink

15:24

by orders of magnitude

15:24

ah

15:24

off-brand ink is cheaper than off-brand toner

15:24

by orders of magnitude

15:24

nubbins`: function of the paper? if the ink is water-soluble, and it gets in - how will it not also get out, when wetted again ?

15:24

am i missing something

15:24

maybe i am :S

15:25

i have had mixed success with chinese knockoff ink cartridges, and have a suspicion they have led to the death of my current printer..

15:25

*

nubbins` admittedly does little "photo printing", and is more concerned with laying down as much ink as possible

15:26

but the CIS kit i have supplies a constant flow of very inexpensive, high quality ink

15:26

for my 1430s: https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm

15:26

.:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEYIs )

15:26

http://seeingyellow.com << obligatory if buying colour laser

15:26

Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEYZ2 )

15:26

well, that's the other thing.

15:26

i'm also not convinced that home color laser beats inkjet for image quality

15:27

text, you'd be a fool to use an inkjet

15:27

images, well, stop sneezing 8)

15:27

nubbins`: image quality - seems quite likely

15:27

afaik colour laser was never well-regarded by artistic types

15:28

!up ascii_field

15:28

yes, color laser is poor for photos

15:28

i actually took a loss on a job a while back because i priced it for color laser prints and they weren't up to snuff

15:28

newspaper quality.

15:28

not a loss on ink/toner costs, mind you, but a loss on time

15:28

inkjet is sloooo-o-o-o-o-w

15:29

incidentally, some of you may be interested to know, epson is the only home printer mfg that has printheads that can deliver variable amounts of ink

15:29

i found a very, very fast tractor-feed (!) early '90s inkjet in a skip once, as a kid

15:30

quality was about on par with ancient typewriter and then leave document in the sun for a decade or three

15:30

iirc it was an epson.

15:30

nice

15:31

regular inkjet: heating element rapidly boils ink inside cart, steam bubble forces ink out through aperture

15:31

epson inkjet: voltage applied to piezo element

15:31

mechanical propulsion, voltage-controller

15:31

i had this notion that all modern inkject machines use piezos

15:32

nope.

15:32

epson's the only one using it as a rule

15:32

you'll rarely see others try it

15:33

*

nubbins` owns third-party printer drivers that allow him to control -- among other things -- voltage to piezo

15:33

also does postscript emulation which is nice for printing halftone dots from greyscale images.

15:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28285 @ 0.00026017 = 7.3589 BTC [-] {2}

15:34

approx. 1.5x the cost of the actual printer

15:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43523 @ 0.00025702 = 11.1863 BTC [-] {2}

15:38

any thoughts on 5 color inkjet vs 3 color?

15:38

the more, the better

15:39

thanks for advice!

15:39

generally 5+1 (yellow, cyan, light cyan, magenta, light magenta, black) will give you truer light tones

15:40

and you really, really should consider getting one of those CIS kits, it'll pay for itself in a year

15:41

I like the thought of that a lot.. and it may be practical given wireless (so i can put the whole thing in a closet somewhere).

15:42

i've had epson stylus in early 00's and it was spawn of evil, with golden toilet refills

15:43

and when i bought cheaper ink, found out the cassettes can really be refilled only once anyway

15:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00025638 = 16.8185 BTC [-] {2}

15:47

dunno if inkjets got better since

15:49

oh cool, cobra ink will sell you the printer with cis installed already

15:51

<ascii_field> afaik colour laser was never well-regarded by artistic types << not even on wood.

15:54

mike_c it will, but it's worth comparing costs

15:54

the install is trivial

15:55

mircea_popescu that was monochrome lazer 8)

15:55

:p

15:55

monochrome is artisanal

15:55

hence all the b&w amateur-art photos

16:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00025613 = 7.8632 BTC [-] {2}

16:00

bitstein

!up napedia

16:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100850 @ 0.000267 = 26.927 BTC [+] {3}

16:05

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/curriculum-vitae/

16:13

ben_vulpes ^

16:18

hah

16:22

lol scoopbot only works for trilema

16:22

mircea_popescu: is that SFW?

16:23

no pics, it's just plaintext

16:30

i like how MG made the cut but not BitBet lol

16:30

dude if i was going to put everything in i'd be there for a week.

16:30

most of the good stuff didn't make it in.

16:33

Jan 2016 MP drops his first rap album.

16:35

*

nubbins` has been pickling daikon radishes in rice vinegar for the past 3 months, will consume this evening

16:36

ironically enough, the usms scammer thing which is how i even got started also doesn't seem to have made it in.

16:36

awell.jpg

16:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00026886 = 3.9657 BTC [+]

16:43

http://imgur.com/meyFGgn

16:43

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvDWTS )

16:44

i give up.

16:45

!up ascii_field

16:45

BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/bundles/force << should link back to qntra

16:45

... ( http://bit.ly/1NvEkBD )

16:49

mike_c ?

16:49

it looks like some kind of odd orange.

16:49

oh

16:50

pickled daikon radish

16:50

ah, interesting.

16:50

yellow from turmeric

16:50

http://jakwave.co.uk/recipe-%EB%8B%A8%EB%AC%B4%EC%A7%80-danmuji-korean-sweet-pickled-radish/

16:50

Recipe - 단무지 [Danmuji] Korean Sweet Pickled Radish | JaK Wave ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvFwFk )

16:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00026886 = 8.6976 BTC [+]

~ 16 minutes ~

17:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00026675 = 10.1632 BTC [-]

17:14

New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/subpoena-requests-data-on-rdarknetmarkets-users/

17:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21066 @ 0.00026675 = 5.6194 BTC [-]

17:30

!up ascii_field

17:30

http://www.wired.com/2015/03/us-used-zero-day-exploits-policies << usg shills struggling to drown discussion with idiot garbage like this

17:30

US Used Zero-Day Exploits Before It Had Policies for Them | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cqt5r9 )

~ 17 minutes ~

17:47

'In summary, for the nearly two year period before FORCE worked the Silk Road case, FORCE deposited a total of approximately $250,000 into his bank accounts, an amount consistent with his federal salary. In contrast to that, the bank records show that in the just over two-year timeframe from FORCE's joining the Silk Road case to his May 2014 resignation, FORCE deposited approximately $776,000 into his bank accounts, an

17:47

amount that represented solely his liquidation of bitcoins.'

17:50

one of the few things usg is demonstrably good at is sniffing out unexpectedly fattened cattle to butcher.

17:52

fact is, if this ever goes to trial (unlikely) - the moron will be asked 'where did you get it'

17:53

and will stammer and blither in front of the jury, or cough up some outlandish 'martian' alibi

17:56

heh "FORCE functioned as the de facto Chief Compliance Officer for CoinMKT all the while employed as a DEA agent, even allowing himself to be featured in CoinMKT's "pitch decks" to venture capital investors and allowing himself to be listed as CoinMKT's anti-money laundering and/or compliance officer"

17:58

^ i died

18:00

also "FORCE used his official position as a DEA agent to illegally run criminal history checks on individuals for the benefit of a third-party digital currency exchange company, CoinMKT, in which FORCE had personally invested approximately $110,000 worth of bitcoin."

18:00

!up ascii_field

18:01

I thought assbot didn't have state

18:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00026688 = 7.5527 BTC [+] {3}

18:08

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10933746#msg10933746

18:08

[HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYs5Hc )

18:08

havelel is manually processing withdrawals

18:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23524 @ 0.00025738 = 6.0546 BTC [-]

18:27

scoopbot -fetch

18:27

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blockchain-hits-milestone-23rds-of-all-bitcoins-mined/

18:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00026774 = 4.6051 BTC [+]

18:34

<ascii_field> BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/bundles/force << should link back to qntra <<fxd

18:34

... ( http://bit.ly/1NvEkBD )

18:35

BingoBoingo make the link point to the main page maybe?

18:37

nubbins`: fxd, again

18:37

thx

18:37

np

18:38

also, http://qntra.net/2015/03/blockchain-hits-milestone-23rds-of-all-bitcoins-mined/ second sentence should begin with Its instead of It's

18:38

Blockchain Hits Milestone, 2/3rds of all Bitcoins Mined | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYyNgs )

18:39

and a comma after incidentally

18:39

and a comma after 420,000

18:39

8)

18:47

nubbins`: fxd, that one I really should have had time to self proofread better, but DEAlulz

18:48

+1000

18:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67945 @ 0.00026826 = 18.2269 BTC [+] {2}

~ 29 minutes ~

19:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00027056 = 7.4133 BTC [+] {2}

19:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00027076 = 6.6472 BTC [+]

~ 19 minutes ~

19:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00027092 = 10.1595 BTC [+] {2}

19:52

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990106.0 << lulz courtesy of pete.

19:52

BTCT.CO (BTC Trading Corp) Server with Code (also ran litecoinglobal.com) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2h2ob )

19:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43072 @ 0.00026921 = 11.5954 BTC [-]

19:56

"Replying from my cell, please forgive any typos." O.o

19:56

prolly meant cellphone, tho

19:58

obv.

19:58

<nubbins`> havelel is manually processing withdrawals << FIRST EVER!

19:58

THOUGHT LEADERS ! INDUSTRI BEST LARGEST

20:05

l0ldustry

20:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166372 @ 0.00026565 = 44.1967 BTC [-] {2}

20:14

*

asciilifeform wonders where everybody went... reading the sr mega-turd? hacking on pogotron? beating off rabid weasels ?

20:14

^ 2nd

20:14

where are the nand read/write utils located in new turdel?

20:14

in the path

20:15

# which nandwrite

20:15

/usr/sbin/nandwrite

20:15

nanddump is also there

20:15

a-ha, found em.

20:15

okay, so that confirms it

20:15

confirms what

20:15

*

nubbins` has baked his own v2 pogotron from source

20:15

congrats nubbins` !!

20:15

tyvm! :D

20:16

gonna sha512 my tarballs now & post to ml

20:17

ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, nubbins`, danielpbarron et al: is there any interest in the pheature i discussed in october (?) where one pogo would deflower another, virginal unit ?

20:17

through crossover cable

20:17

(i do not presently know if the nic on pogo has auto-crossover)

20:18

maybe.

20:18

this would involve, at the minimum, the 'male' starting up a dhcp server prior to the 'female' being powered up

20:18

this process would have to be triggered in some way.

20:18

that's the part i got stuck on

20:18

what's the trigger ?

20:20

alternatively:

20:20

'male' pogo sitting on normal lan with one of more 'females' could be manually triggered to spoodge, using the telnet shell and a util that takes argument of female's ip

20:21

i come back to computers having sex?!?

20:21

;;isitdown wiki.bitcoin-assets.com

20:21

wiki.bitcoin-assets.com is down

20:22

;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com

20:22

(what would be involved: it triggers the backdoor - see log - then transfers over nandwrite; then payload; then fires)

20:22

log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

20:22

^ works here

20:22

the search is also not up-to-date

20:22

you can use log1 ad interim

20:22

kakobrekla ^

20:23

actually ya, log. loads eventually; wiki doesn't though

20:23

(fwiw, i see log. but intermittently0

20:27

search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336

20:27

Logged on 30-03-2015 05:43:56; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night

20:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96650 @ 0.00025994 = 25.1232 BTC [-]

20:31

the upside of this is that you could turdify a whole stack of pogos at once

20:38

<+asciilifeform> what's the trigger ? <<< hold reset while powering up unit to boot it in "erect" mode?

20:41

what, the pogo won't have any management interface beyond that button?

20:42

shat if i want to check how many connections/ block height it has?

20:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.00026007 = 15.2531 BTC [+] {2}

20:45

morse code in lights

20:46

mp will say that if you wanna check how many connections, throw it out and buy a new one

20:46

what do you want, it's $19 :D

20:46

heh, there are printers with embedded menu systems kinda like that

20:46

but they at least have a place for output

20:49

omg the haters

20:53

haters_everywhere.jpg

20:54

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079598 << but force 66 1/3 is so much lulzier

20:54

Logged on 30-03-2015 16:42:29; mike_c: BingoBoingo: see NYT article, they (correctly) just call him mr. force.

20:55

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079604 << well, they could imaginarily take it. there's no limits to imagination!

20:55

Logged on 30-03-2015 16:45:05; mike_c: because if it was actually "sizable".. and they didn't get it back..

20:56

don't forget it's not $19 for me. at least 31 euro

20:56

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079610 << isn't this also the dude with the weirdo positions re gavincoins ?

20:56

Logged on 30-03-2015 16:46:05; assbot: Bitcoin's Rugged Individualism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlcWa )

20:57

that he then accidentally forgot to either softlaunch here or defend afterwards ?

20:57

jurov stands to reason that if one wants to run a devel pogo they'd run the devel pogo rather than the cement pogo ? or am i missing something ?

20:57

"how do i check it's working" "nah, shut up"

20:58

<mircea_popescu> that he then accidentally forgot to either softlaunch here or defend afterwards ? << Yes

20:59

^^ applies to cement pogo, too

20:59

;;later tell pete_dushenski it's not clear to me facebook is a "technology". if every tripod/myspace clone with an advertising budget were a technology then you should probably avoid tap water.

20:59

The operation succeeded.

20:59

jurov: pogo won't have any management interface beyond that button? << that button (ought to) spawn a telnetd with root shell. what more management could one want ??!

20:59

jurov you could connect to it.

20:59

as a node i mean.

20:59

ah i missed that.

21:01

that solves the triggering of male pogo

21:01

(for anyone who slept through pogotron/pogotron-v2, the current version spawns telnetd by default on every boot)

21:01

<+jurov> don't forget it's not $19 for me. at least 31 euro << $35cad for me!

21:02

... and will approach $maxint as they run out.

21:02

wholesale guy said he might increase from $20 to $30 soon because of recent interest, in the meantime

21:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33176 @ 0.00025738 = 8.5388 BTC [-]

21:02

so if anyone feels like getting some more, maybe we should pool our resources and get a buttload at once

21:02

bbl die siedler von catan!

21:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109003 @ 0.00025623 = 27.9298 BTC [-] {2}

21:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113454 @ 0.00025819 = 29.2927 BTC [+] {2}

21:06

if somebody wants to get a rail car full of'em, the time to do so is probably now

21:06

and not after another month or three of 'recent interest'

21:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5754 @ 0.00026052 = 1.499 BTC [+]

21:07

esp. since we are not the only ones who can use 'buildroot' etc.

21:08

it is all posted publicly after all.

21:08

a railcar sounds expensive

21:09

costs probably less than first class air to istanbul on one outing of mircea_popescu and his pets

21:10

that's like 3 years living expenses for me...

21:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00025881 = 13.7169 BTC [-]

21:19

the inevitable 'price of open source' is that we made pogo suddenly considerably more appetizing for just about everybody.

21:19

even folks who just want a nas without proprietary turdware

21:21

nas makes me think of the rapper

21:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80487 @ 0.00025707 = 20.6908 BTC [-] {2}

21:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109213 @ 0.00025477 = 27.8242 BTC [-] {3}

21:23

asciilifeform: you could probably run nfs

21:23

maybe even with kerberos

21:23

ick kerberos...

21:23

it's really annoying to configure

21:23

and even more painful to configure "right"

21:24

it blows up all the time from my experience.

21:24

one of the problems is that 99% of the installations use winblows for the key server

21:28

asciilifeform i don't think that's so bad, really. let that everybody hack on them

21:29

re: discussion about ntp < I thought the conclusion of that thread is that the timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time

21:29

or something like that

21:30

right

21:31

;;seen brendafdez

21:31

brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

21:33

!rate brendafdez Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.

21:33

Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

21:33

!rate brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.

21:33

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0b91a325c61ae482

21:33

!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brendafdez.-1:99c85240d655d8874bfc63e85c4d96eab4222b144bd7b518ea6a0ffbd3a9fac7

21:33

Successfully updated the rating for brendafdez from 1 to -1 with note: Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.

21:36

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079687 << why exactly would the guy "hafta pay fines" anyway ?

21:36

Logged on 30-03-2015 17:26:44; fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/9sxBf51.png

21:38

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079748 << very different people, very different us.

21:38

Logged on 30-03-2015 17:36:51; ascii_field: as it was for certain mafia dons

21:38

at the time, the united states was like, a world leader.

21:38

;;later tell funkenstein I don't think you're in assbot's WoT, see about regestering with assbot. http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

21:38

The operation succeeded.

21:38

he is with an underscore

21:39

!gettrust funkenstein_

21:39

is not registered in WoT.

21:39

that didn't help.

21:39

the woodcoin guy right?

21:39

log yeah

21:40

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079771 << cops helped me break into my own house once.

21:40

Logged on 30-03-2015 17:41:02; nubbins`: did i mention that i saw a cop help someone break into a house earlier?

21:40

three hours with the fucking ram because apparently no fucking blacksmith existed anymore.

21:40

!gettrust funkenstein_

21:40

Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_

21:41

*

danielpbarron slaps assbot around a bit with a large extra space

21:41

hory hseit

21:41

!gettrust mircea_popescu

21:41

and are not registered in WoT.

21:42

!gettrust mircea_popescu

21:42

and are not registered in WoT.

21:42

!gettrust derp herp and mircea_popescu

21:42

derp and herp are not registered in WoT.

21:42

ahaha

21:42

!gettrust derp herp mircea_popescu and yourmom

21:42

http://jolmos.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/tls-v12-sigalgs-remote-crash-cve-2015.html

derp and herp are not registered in WoT.

21:53

mats

21:53

software security blog: TLS v1.2 sigalgs remote crash (CVE-2015-0291) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYXCRw )

21:56

!gettrust 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6

21:56

6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 is not registered in WoT.

21:57

!gettrust funkenstein_

21:57

Trust relationship from user mod6 to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_

21:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181161 @ 0.00025414 = 46.0403 BTC [-] {2}

22:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00025362 = 4.238 BTC [-]

22:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00025361 = 35.6068 BTC [-] {2}

22:06

thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000078.html

22:19

<mircea_popescu> three hours with the fucking ram because apparently no fucking blacksmith existed anymore. << l0l, mircea_popescu got a free penetration test from enemy

22:21

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot

22:21

this was long ago

22:22

timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time << this promises to be very gnarly and even non-monotonic unless we're very careful

22:22

not tx

22:22

block. blocks are the timekeeping device

22:23

<mircea_popescu> ... brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive << wai wat, was this in-channel? iirc this person simply vanished into thin air without so much as a squeak

22:23

just my impression.

22:24

in other news, i had a most peculiar '1024 chickens'-flavoured thought -

22:25

small multicopters could be built which tesselate.

22:25

lifting whatever size load as one wishes, like balloons

22:25

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60811418.jpg

22:25

... ( http://bit.ly/1EX2Mr5 )

22:26

this is simpler than it sounds because they are traditionally built in such a way that operator sets desired angle and motors 'bang-bang' with pde dampening until it is achieved

22:26

<mircea_popescu> just my impression. << Seems right for an unexplained workweek long disappearance without warning, right after getting things to do

22:26

the choppers will snap together like children's 'lego' and share control and power bus

22:26

asciilifeform it's also much harder than it sounds, because of all sorts of scale effwects

22:27

one could also, presumably, have 'tiles' which only carry battery (or only thrusters) depending on whether endurance is at a premium

22:27

meanwhile a 20mw powerplant is 1-200k or some shit.

22:27

mircea_popescu: that's the thing, they have excellent behaviour when perturbed

22:27

i recall kicking diametric's chopper in mid-air and it only wobbled a bit.

22:28

asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4

22:28

A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX33dG )

22:28

swarms are old news

22:28

and yes, we all saw that one

22:28

ah I see you want them to physically connect together

22:28

aha

22:29

share power and control bus

22:29

buy as many as needed to carry load.

22:29

like balloons.

22:29

how many to make https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-64_Skycrane

22:29

Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX3eFI )

22:29

also gives a degree of redundancy

22:30

go shoot a machine with 8192 airscrews of which only 512 are needed

22:30

or the like.

22:30

(each 3 having own battery!)

22:30

asciilifeform a simple exercise : given each element applies a force F on a random vector, calculate the shear force - probability function for a string of 100 such.

22:30

I wonder if there is some kind of diminishing returns with having so many rotors in the same area

22:30

decimation: not if far enough apart

22:30

yeah

22:30

how far - is for the folks who actually want to try this

22:30

in life.

22:31

they would need some kind of rods to form a web

22:31

the sykorsky is ~7mw

22:31

mircea_popescu: only 'random' to the extent calculations are off (plus wind, vibration)

22:31

right. just as a mechanical engineering problem.

22:32

soon enough you gotta make your bots out of titanium.

22:32

mircea_popescu: except that the error does not compound.

22:32

any given point in the 'fabric' is equivalent.

22:32

other than the graph edges.

22:32

i have my doubts.

22:33

seems exactly the sort of thing to get freak compounding nonsense in.

22:33

draw, see.

22:33

i'd build it in such a way as to let it jettison dead tiles, too

22:33

why let them drag machine down.

22:34

(in peacetime this may be a bad idea, they will fall on someone's head)

22:35

anyway, i'm not certain what the point of this is, in practice, but having failed to find any traces of it existing, thought it fit to post here.

22:36

the problem is tho : the electric machines suck specifically for being electric. this isn't fixed by assembling more of them.

22:36

the golden standard (carnot cycle) is too big generally, rather than too small.

22:37

re: carnot < one of the mistakes louis xvi made was not recognizing and promoting him

22:37

'welfare for nobles' displaced competence

22:38

except the Carnot cycle guy was his son, I was mistaken

22:38

decimation he was born either just before or jsut after revolution

22:38

nothing much left of the king by the time he was 16.

22:38

carnot the father was born 1756

22:38

err 1753

22:39

you mean lazare ?!

22:39

yeah

22:41

what was to recognise/promote ? guy was iirc a military officer with interests in mechanics.

22:42

http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16087

22:42

Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX4Nnj )

22:42

well according to the history to which I have been listening, he was fustrated by his inability to advance beyond a junior officer

22:42

mebbe he was, i have nfi

22:43

and part of the reason why he couldn't advance was because the ministry's reforms of the army tended to favor derpy nobles over young talent

22:43

Comment delivered unto us http://qntra.net/bundles/forceunlawfulseizure.txt

22:43

... ( http://bit.ly/1EX51L6 )

22:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111239 @ 0.0002535 = 28.1991 BTC [-] {3}

22:46

re: Freiherr Hammerstein-Equord's quote < Yes, USG specializes in promoting the stupid and industrious

22:47

quite.

22:47

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/10/28/241295755/a-churchill-quote-that-u-s-politicians-will-never-surrender < highly related

22:47

A Churchill 'Quote' That U.S. Politicians Will Never Surrender : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX5CMF )

22:47

"As King put it: "Winston Churchill once famously observed that Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.""

22:49

the space of everything else's sadly incomputable.

22:50

yeah, that quote seems dubious

22:51

Freiherr Hammerstein-Equord's 'method' (if true) built one of the greatest professional land armies the world has every seen

22:52

but ultimately fell to USSR & USA's Levée en masse

22:52

i will now take the liberty of calling the hypothetical machine 'freyacopter'

22:52

(is there anyone who doesn't understand why ?)

22:52

and no, it doesn't make storage battery suck less

22:53

but i came up with it for a reason. sat the other day for a long time thinking of mircea_popescu's observation that 'industrial product is crud' and the only place where industry wins is - scale

22:54

50,000 birthday balloons are cheaper than airplane. but not very much use to fly. on the other hand, if a freyacopter tile lifts, e.g., 500g...

22:54

50 of'em will lift a boy

22:54

100 - a man

22:54

(thin man)

22:55

and scale, scale. (of production, that is)

22:56

how much do you pay per bithday balloon ?

22:56

asciilifeform: after Gerhard Frey?

22:56

nein

22:56

freya, with her housecat chariot.

22:57

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asciilifeform thought it was obvious

22:57

some very simple math : cheapo chinese copter toy = $100. cessna, $100k. cessna powerplant = 100kW. chinese copter toy = 10W

22:57

you're short a degree of magnitude.

22:57

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decimation 's schooling failed to include Norse myth

22:57

'cessna' lifts a good bit of own weight

22:57

compared to pilot

22:57

so will your toys.

22:58

two 180 lb men + full feul for a cessna 152

22:58

fuel

22:58

scoopbot -fetch

22:58

at any rate, everyone is missing the point

22:58

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/march-bitcoin-foundation-update/

22:58

cessna is piss-poor for economy of scale

22:58

the degree of magnitude should be the other way.

22:58

because it doesn't break into 10,000 identical pieces

22:59

each of which is a toy

22:59

asciilifeform: except cessna is more efficient at moving horizontally for distance

22:59

-identical-

22:59

more efficient, yes

22:59

vastly

22:59

but so long as freyacopter could possibly work (and there is no reason why the machines currently existing, with about 1:1 useful lift to own weight ratio and around 1/2hr of endurance on standard battery)

23:00

it is a more efficient -product of industry-

23:00

thinkaboutit

23:00

half hour flight ?

23:00

so basically this can be used for a bus ride ?

23:00

on standard cell. if some of the load is added cells - longer ride.

23:00

^ could build liquid fuel version

23:00

so if all the load is cells, long busride ?

23:00

have tiles which are batteries only. or even small generators

23:00

mircea_popescu: aha

23:01

decimation yes but there's a reason they have bipropellers and quad propellers, rather than thousandprops

23:01

choppers aren't meant to cross continents, at any rate

23:01

they are always 'bus'

23:01

if you look at the relative size of a plane when it moves from two to four it's abundantly clear what the sweetspot is like

23:01

or 'skyhook'

23:01

mircea_popescu: in as far as i am able to ascertain the reason, it appears to be because no one has suggested tiles.

23:01

o.O

23:01

immensely difficult -except- in this precise way.

23:02

actually one could imagine some copters joining the swarm with horizontal attachment

23:02

look, a combustion engine works from about half liter to about five. that's what it does.

23:02

making a 2 cc combustion engine is more expensive than 1/50 of making a 1000 cc one.

23:03

and even this 2 cc combustion engine will beat the shit out of your electrical 10 watt engine

23:03

^not the engine but the power source

23:03

mircea_popescu: performance - will beat the shit.

23:03

cost - no.

23:03

maybe.

23:03

how many gasoline-powered toys at your local toy store?

23:03

why?

23:03

or maybe the only reason you think so atm is because you're looking at the dynamic equilibrium of proces as if it were static

23:04

some folks use gas r/c aircraft and cars

23:04

in practice, less metal - less cost.

23:04

what if the only reason electric seems cheap now is that we don't use it.

23:04

decimation tiny turboprop or jet works better than tiny engine yea

23:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77245 @ 0.00025597 = 19.7724 BTC [+]

23:04

mircea_popescu: this depends on whether there is reserve capacity

23:04

(to produce the item)

23:04

but then we're back to rockets, and sure, "tile of rockets", consider the mechanical problem that got brushed asiude above

23:05

rockets don't have millisecond-adjustable thrust!

23:05

at least, not solid-fueled

23:05

asciilifeform peak oil vs peak copper. except peak oil allows an infinity of capacity to be deployed as long as the sum consumption is under X

23:05

toy propellers - do.

23:05

whereas peak copper allows only this much capacity ever being deployed.

23:05

yeah but both piston & turboprops/jets need golden toilet metallurgy and production

23:05

different dynamica, diff price curves.

23:06

^ toy jets don't have millisecond adjustable thrust either

23:06

what will happen to the parts when 'peak x' is reached for every element in mendeleev table is an interesting question, but unlikely to get there purely by virtue of making toy choppers.

23:06

we'll get there, or not, regardless.

23:06

people who casually do not realise the importance of peak copper in limiting human history are invited to read up on ww2 economic history

23:06

or for that matter, greek classical period.

23:06

peak copper is already here. except that massive drop in demand on account of fiber.

23:07

there's a reason the first coin in the world was a bar of copper.

23:07

and fucktons of cable waiting to be melted.

23:07

it's still a finite supply.

23:07

naturally.

23:07

and i suspect not enough to move economy to your model.

23:07

ie : this toy will stay a toy.

23:07

damnit, it wasn't to fly every man woman child dog cat around for the next eternity.

23:07

it was a wunderwaffen.

23:07

you said

23:07

i don't do eternities.

23:08

i do the next few years i'm likely to remain alive.

23:08

^ women children dog cat fly in aluminium tubes with rare metal spinning disks

23:08

if that's what it is, you're buying a cessna.

23:08

*

asciilifeform can't afford even the back half of a cessna

23:08

*

asciilifeform but probably could afford 10,000 1kg lifters.

23:09

*

asciilifeform fortunately doesn't need to fly around the neighbourhood very much, so gedankenexperiment can stay one

23:10

there are actually many uses for a cheap 'skyhook'

23:10

i also must say that the idea appeals to me not only because of cost

23:10

but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric'

23:11

solving, potentially, a problem unsolved since daedalus's wings

23:11

that is, single points of failure in flying machine.

23:11

so long as you have sufficient spare tiles - you stay aloft.

23:11

i suspect this is not akin the myth that 1900s ocean liners had solved a problem since idem.

23:11

liner - had central point.

23:12

the whole story of 'titanic' is about this.

23:12

more like 1024 nuclear-powered lifeboats

23:12

^

23:12

but sure, if you get hit by big enough object (rocket, mountain, hell - the ground) - splat

23:12

yea, until your tile splits in the middle and the halves slam into each other.

23:12

but only because it takes out all of you at same time.

23:13

or hey, pilot could split in the middle.

23:13

asciilifeform: actually as long as the swarm was operating within a short range of ground, there's no reason why it might not connect to a power 'tether'

23:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56315 @ 0.00025279 = 14.2359 BTC [-]

23:13

decimation: tethers in flight are ick

23:13

got power lines in your street ?

23:13

we do

23:14

heh yeah maryland has shit infrastructure

23:14

zimbabweryland

23:15

wash dc power 'customers' can be reliably expected to 1.) whine about a single tree branch trimmed by the power company and 2.) whine when the tree knocks out the power

23:16

my fiber goes through several trees. it is only a matter of time until 'day x.'

23:16

i live with this.

23:16

Check out Carl Force's 31337 web design skillz http://carl-41044.logogarden.com/

23:16

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23:17

(live how? fallback isp. sorta like what mircea_popescu does)

23:17

asciilifeform: your cell device?

23:17

surely you don't pay both comast AND verizon

23:17

the thought causes bile to rise

23:17

decimation: nah yet another cell

23:17

stationary modem that isn't used normally

23:18

I wonder if telephone modems are still a thing

23:18

decimation: specifically -not- where verizon fiber went

23:18

they tore out the copper.

23:18

illegally.

23:18

aye

23:18

the fcc arrested them I'm sure

23:18

i have a thick hanging severed limb of it here.

23:18

goes nowhere.

23:19

last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping

23:19

but not to rebuild

23:20

well, the whole thing backfired now that the replacement service was going to be classified title II

23:21

decimation: if it does, they probably will be permitted to tear out and melt down the copper

23:21

winning massively

23:21

so stupid that shit anyway. through and through.

23:21

aerial cables, bad idea. trees and cable, horrible idea. etc.

23:21

^stupid and industrious

23:21

decimation: right now it's in a kind of limbo

23:21

who the fuck heard of not cutting tree branches ?

23:21

mircea_popescu: they cut'em

23:21

the aerial cables are a result of 1950's era build-out

23:21

anyway, that's all for me. tomoror!

23:21

noone gave a fuck, and land was cheap

23:22

aerial - 10x cheaper than buried.

23:22

now land is dear, and no one wants to pay to bury the lines

23:22

(short-term, that is. which is the only model of concern to these people)

23:22

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/montgomery-county-puts-aside-tree-trimming-complaints-against-pepco/article/2501311

23:22

Montgomery County puts aside tree trimming complaints against Pepco | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR8Gx2 )

23:22

"Montgomery County Council President Roger Berliner introduced the tree-protection measure in April, following widespread complaints from residents about the power company's aggressive trimming of trees around its power lines."

23:23

^ a pretty good sample of the way people think in maryland

23:28

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pepco-angers-montgomery-county-neighborhood-residents-by-pruning-beloved-cherry-trees/2012/07/18/gJQAqPqMvW_story.html < "As the men in hard hats hacked away, Julie Marcis and her husband confronted the crew, pleading with them to stop ruining the trees.“You feel like your insides are crumbling when you look at what they did,” Marcis said. “You have no control, you can’t do anything, short

23:28

Pepco angers Montgomery County residents by pruning beloved cherry trees - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR9Qss )

23:28

of throwing yourself in front of one of their trucks to stop them, which I considered.”" < lol

23:29

!s cixi

23:29

4 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi

23:29

^

23:29

the infamous queen, who despised steam engine for 'too loud'

23:29

heh yeah sounds about right

23:29

except wash dc has a million cixis

23:30

decimation: at any rate, precisely these folks will be the first to lose civilization permanently

23:31

because when the wires fall - they don't merely fall, they short out substations

23:31

substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage

23:31

and getting worse.

23:31

supposedly this is why the 'carrington event' would be so terrible

23:32

because it would take months to build the transformers

23:32

^ vastly optimistic

23:32

the building would have to take place on another, spare planet where there wasn't a magnetopocalypse.

23:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6655 @ 0.00025597 = 1.7035 BTC [+]

23:33

yeah, the really bad thing is that the damage would be global in scale

23:34

“I had a cherry tree that died about 10 years ago. I cut out a part, and had a ceremony for it,” Campbell said. “I burnt it as part of an offering. I was thinking of getting others in the community to do it, and have a healing ceremony.”

23:35

there is exactly one cure for this kind of mental pathology. the good news is that it -will- be prescribed. whether the 'patient' wants, or not.

23:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240150 @ 0.00025508 = 61.2575 BTC [-] {4}

23:42

i wonder how many people have printed private keys on thermal paper and subsequently hot-laminated the result

23:44

nubbins`: depending on the paper and the laminator - not necessarily disastrous

23:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99500 @ 0.00025242 = 25.1158 BTC [-] {2}

23:44

incidentally, all thermal papers fade

23:44

some - very quickly

23:44

^

23:44

anyone who saves receipts, ought to know this

23:44

*

nubbins` has destroyed important receipts by putting in wallet

23:45

who updates thebitcoin.foundation again? jurov / kakobrekla ?

23:45

thermal paper is great for things that -need- to be destroyed

23:45

e.g., one time pads

23:45

keep away from uv, doesn't fade so much

23:46

oh wait it's mod6

23:46

mod6, just a suggestion: put the 0.5.3.1 release note under the link rather than over it. it looks like it's attached to the original 0.5.3

23:47

yeah, aight. thx.

23:47

you might also wish to put a small blurb under 0.5.3 just noting that to the best of your knowledge, it's vintage legit

23:47

ron burgandy is killing right now :]

23:47

or w/e

23:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258168 @ 0.00025824 = 66.6693 BTC [+] {4}

23:53

aight, like that any better?

23:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193639 @ 0.00025207 = 48.8106 BTC [-] {3}

23:55

yeah that's nb

23:55

ok thx

23:56

the <ul> structure won't really support this sort of per-release comment going forward, give me 5 minutes

23:57

<mircea_popescu> [02:35] the problem is tho : the electric machines suck specifically for being electric << different powerplants for different regimes

23:57