#trilema | 2015-03-20

The Real Deal

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How do I know I'm the real deal instead of a crazed nutter? Because I tend to elicit the 'damn, that's so obvious now' reaction from people who elicit that same reaction from people like you.

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decimation i don't think anyone seriously considers that entire "simulation as life" thing outside of fiction.

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how is that not exactly the same as "oh wow, that's so amazing'

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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it's just too dependent on vast ignorance.

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mircea_popescu: one cannot speak with certainty about the whereabouts of a single electron, even with infinite bezzlars to dispose on the task

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right.

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decimation: to be fair, even discussing its 'whereabouts' is wrong straight off the bat.

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it gets worse, there's entire swaths of particles that are mirrored, you'll never know if you've got various pairs right or backwards.

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like dividing by 0.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31335 @ 0.0002959 = 9.272 BTC [-] {2}

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asciilifeform: aye

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right, something like that.

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"Labels: creativity, Psychology, yudkowsky". lol. why ?!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14715 @ 0.00029203 = 4.2972 BTC [-]

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"It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky."

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because he ran into him and barfed for a year straight

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such an internet this internet is.

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how is some geeky kid pure evil ?!

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in mr k's view, the hypothetical ai is alive and building it 'friendly' (to use mr y's term) is an act of diabolical cruelty

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like growing a kid in a glass jar

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or in usa

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http://hplusmagazine.com/ <><< ahahahaha o may gawd.

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"Interview: JeRm La Haine On Transhuman Unit and his new project IAIO" << http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?fit=300%2C300

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... ( http://bit.ly/198w6Sz )

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"Crowdfunding: Support Titanovos Novel Telomere Testing Technology" complete with their own scams an' errything.

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the fella in that picture is such a jaronlanier

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srsly, why must these folks all look alike ?!

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asciilifeform 's first paying job, while student, pertained to telomerase

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http://www.jimmunol.org/content/166/11/6647.full << mentioned in the 'monkeys' section

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Induction of Telomerase Activity During Development of Human Mast Cells from Peripheral Blood CD34+ Cells: Comparisons with Tumor Mast-Cell Lines ... ( http://bit.ly/198wH6A )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75350 @ 0.00028944 = 21.8093 BTC [-] {3}

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"We thank Stanislav Datskovskiy for his assistance with the measurement of telomerase activity in some of these experiments and Martha Kirby for her expert assistance in the analysis of apoptosis." check you out.

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no prizes for guessing how much use came of this.

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"Jerm La Haine: Ive been doing music production and graphic design for just under twenty years now."

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asciilifeform: re: look alike < note that they are all 'alterntive' in the same way. none of them choose to dress like 15th century nobility, for example

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" Currently Ive been getting lots of positive attention for my new record label Collective Conscious Records."

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it's scary what kids today use to describe themselves.

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decimation shut up, it's LA!!! Haine.

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decimation: aha. nor will they put on a cravat

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you won't catch them dressing up as mircea_popescu

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(la haine = to clothes, in ro.)

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"I started the record label because I wasnt happy with any of the offers i got from other record labels. Its a way I can release my own stuff on my own terms. After the first couple releases people started getting interested in the label. Ive even started working out deals with some artists. I recently released a few tracks with Lonnie Dangerous and Collective Conscious Records is getting ready to release an a

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lbum by Young Boy Hybrid. Currently Collective Conscious Records has eighteen releases available and we have several more on the way this year."

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although to mr mold's credit - the man once proposed that moldbuggerites dress in tweed 'to rebel'

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the very strange thing here is that he somehow thinks the "releases" are the problem record labels solve.

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not the market. you're a record label for having 100 singer-songrwiters, that'll make whatever shit, not for having 100mn customers who'll buy whatever you put out.

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such strange.

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;;later tell pilo_ I read the whole Yudo Harierzer thing

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The operation succeeded.

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the music label's real 'problem solving' would be knowing how to push the right bellybuttons to force a song to be played in a large chunk of the existing radio stations/youtubes/ipods

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aye.

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more of a 90s thing, record label as master of payola.

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<mircea_popescu> "It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky." << Dude is harmless can't even kill the little girl without a troll

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yes, the business model is failing. it still exists, but it is a victim of its own success in the sense that it has trained the masses to ignore radio

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"Transhuman Strategies conference March 21 in Silicon Valley- Tickets Limited! Posted: February 26, 2015

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What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? 0 comments"

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this can't be a thiel thing can it ?

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Almost has to be

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mircea_popescu: thiel plus wannebee panhandlers on his door

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ah.

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anyone going ? :D

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does anyone here live in the bay area?

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No I

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btw mr y was running sc4mf3r3nc3z before bitcoin

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for $maxint

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"Venue: Prospect SIlicon Valley Categories: Brighter Brains, Transhumanism Tags: communications, strategic planning, strategy, SWOT"

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SWOT!

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maybe they slip up and built the transhuman bureaucracy, complete with transflipcharts.

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special weapons onanism team ?

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(swot)

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"What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? How can these Transhuman ideas permeate the mainstream? Are there ways Transhumanism can assert itself in the political sphere? How can Transhumanist ideas and innovations create a better world now, for billions of people on Earth?"

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ahaha this is such a delicious target.

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say timmy... anything you could do with these two burnt matcsticks TO CREATE A BETTER ALPHA CENTAURY FOR MILLIONS OF STARS IN THE GALAXI ?!?!?

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"The conference begins with a Meet & Greet session from 12:15 1:00 pm, followed by speakers from 1:00 5:00. After the conference, participants will be encouraged to continue the discussion at a nearby bar (location announced at the event). The cost to attend the mini-conferences is only $20; only $15 for students, seniors, and people who travel more than 50 miles to get there. Tickets on sale at EventBrit

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e HERE." << asciilifeform i doubt about that maxint.

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that's an imitator

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speaking of the 'genuine article'

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only $20? what kind of scammer only asks for one yuppie foodstamp?

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;;google singularity university

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Singularity University | Solving Humanity's Grand Challenges: <http://singularityu.org/>; So, What is SU? | Singularity University: <http://singularityu.org/overview/>; Graduate Studies Program | Singularity University: <http://singularityu.org/graduate-studies-program/>

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asciilifeform: did you read about the new fucktarded appleism - the USB type C port?

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that's accredited ?

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mircea_popescu: it isn't actually university-shaped

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more like reptilia's 'conference' thing

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lolk

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decimation: aha, their dock connector

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The Speaker List includes: Zoltan Istvan 2016 US Presidential candidate of Transhumanist Party

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yeah

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fuck, i had no idea there's a transhumanist party.

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apparently does 10 gpbs AND allows 100 watts of charge!

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decimation you knew ?!

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a nm.

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(apple released a machine which is entirely unusable without the dock gizmo)

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later google et.al. jumped on the bandwagon

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because it makes so much sense to have the same plug for your power port and your video signal

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and a retreat from the magnetic plug

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which (stolen from korean coffee pots) was the one good idea apple forced through the thick skulls of other vendors

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i think the plan is to merge coaxial and power lines.

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i gues tptb don't see fiber in the future of america.

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magplug was a good idea for power

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mircea_popescu: power-over-lan is sop among large indoor installations of whatever

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i have it even here

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What I fear is new malwarez installed on your monitor!

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mircea_popescu: on the other hand, data over mains cable is sop in eu

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or your power supply. or whatever, because who the fuck knows what is going on in your uninspectible 10gbs bus

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works great to the nearest transformer booth (where you need an active amp)

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data over mains cable is a terrible idea

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but even cheaper than 'brown fiber' (see earlier sewer article)

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spams HF spectrum with nasty shit

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and hence doomed to happen

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^

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why is it so hard to run a fiber to a neighborhood data center

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decimation: digging rights

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Speakers list : Maria Konovalenko & Mikhail Batin Immortality Activists << http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/.a/6a01348002e89e970c01348542262a970c-pi

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... ( http://bit.ly/1DDWiSw )

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"Hank Pellissier is the director of Brighter Brains Institute, and the producer of eight transhumanist conferences in 2013-2015."

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i guess to the random eye this is === bitcoin

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93250 @ 0.00030323 = 28.2762 BTC [+] {2}

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thiel (and possibly friends) seed it. the chumpatronium sustains.

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asciilifeform: it's more than just digging rights. surely the majority of surban homeowners would be more than happy to make their own comcast if they could

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decimation: digging rights in throughfares.

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or what, proposing to connect the suburbanites to each other?

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works in ro where there were sentient lifeforms about, circa 1994 or when

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but usa? forget it

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asciilifeform: yeah exactly that. for a few thousand bucks each, it would be trival to make a small neighborhood isp of great quality

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but the probability that a given set of 100 homes in the the us would be occupied by owners so enlightened..

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and of never having to traverse city land

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this is actually a problem in ukraine

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in odessa even

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where there is an eternal war between the electric and cable (internet) utils

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decimation this is exactly how ro internet worked, and the reason ro internet is today in the top 5 worldwide, with 4 azns : that pressure ten years ago

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and it cost 10s not 1000s of dollars

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like an actual war, with cut cables weekly

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but i think alf has it : population of psychopaths.

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it matters.

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in the us, it is common for nearly all homes built after 1970 to be built upon land which is part of an 'hoa'

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asciilifeform amusingly, some state authority or other decided to cut cables. the city hall nearly caught fire as a result, and the plan was discontinuied.

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when you buy a home on such land, you automatically agree to whatever fucktarded idea was popular in 1982

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decimation no idea who'd build on land he didn't own, but hey.

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mircea_popescu: by that token scarcely anyone on u.s. coasts owns land

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it is virtually wholly encumbered

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http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/blog/2010/06/the-blocking-point.html << check out this transhumanist project. "let's pretend like we're valuable and have skills and people should be queing on our door to give us moneys"

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The Blocking Point - Maria Konovalenko ... ( http://bit.ly/198DnSh )

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asciilifeform: even in middle america it's the same, on any newer home

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quite entertaining.

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(not even speaking of taxation)

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asciilifeform hey, i don't own there.

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you would quite literally need to buy a plot of farmland in the middle of nowhere

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or some ghetto shack

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asciilifeform that vinge dood thinks progress in biology does not depend on computers ?

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nuts.

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check the date.

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93 ? what of it ?

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the massive sequence alignment thing wasn't a going concern quite yet.

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i thought he knew the future.

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the only american sf author who 'knew the future' was robert sheckley.

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or possibly philip dick.

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(saw as darker, more demented version of their own time, naturally)

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heh.

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got the paranoia right anyway

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accidentallyright.jpg

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BingoBoingo offers now that if any motherfucker named Dallas Cook is trying to dope me with malware I would advise stopping that felony.

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anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ?

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BingoBoingo: wai wat

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mircea_popescu: yes! but can't recall where

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ancient legend

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"Progress in computer hardware has followed an amazingly steady curve in the last few decades [17]." << by now moore';s law is currency in trading for everyine, from usgavin to vince whoever.

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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asciilifeform: I have no definiteive evidence, but I have obsrved trends

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i am firmly persuaded that the wall's coming.

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current computers are best computers, and fu humanity.

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clocked circuits are retarded

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(literally)

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and if you're building computers in the tens or hundreds rather than quajizillions quantities there is no reason not to use germanium, gallium arsenide, doped diamond, etc. chemistries

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besides the point. here's mp's prediction : the computer that can be had for a one ounce of gold in 2025 will be inferior to the computer that can be had for an ounce of gold today, on computation measures.

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because industrial infrastructure has been kept in new state by constant improvement.

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mircea_popescu: you are betting against lithography?

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once improvements go away, infrastructure starts to decay.

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decimation: Lithograpy has limits

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decimation litho is already dead, intel's cancelling narrower process etc.

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^ if industrial collapse carries on, it will be difficult to imagine a computer of any description being constructed in 2025 other than out of 'junkyard wars' pieces

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asciilifeform unrelated, that. obv it'd be of chinese make in any case.

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I thought they were already on the path for 10 nm

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look into it.

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they were onthe path to, decided not to follow it.

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10nm is maybe not really happening.

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might expensive toy just to keep microshit alive another 2 yrs

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*mighty

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and yes alf's right, the end of moore is also the end of ms, apple etc.

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once people start having to optimize, the doocracies are dead.

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kinda why poettering's in such a hurry, i guess.

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Shame Sun's already dead

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as if old code somehow gets forgotten or something, dunno.

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usg pours $maxint into optical logic, but nothing is publicly known re: what, if anything, ever came of it

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not for desktops of idiot tetris-playing dilberts, no

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asciilifeform right. only failure can be kept from the public knowledge.

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asciilifeform: The price of old RISC beasts already marches upwards

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any crowned head who has half a brain is sponsoring optical hasher.

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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/intel-forges-ahead-to-10nm-will-move-away-from-silicon-at-7nm/ < seems like they are still on path for 10 nm

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Intel forges ahead to 10nm, will move away from silicon at 7nm | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDc94b )

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sounds like they are considering ascii's iii-v chemistry for 7nm

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intel surrendered to chumpification of the most abject kind, sells severely underclocked dies which temporarily 'turbo' up

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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/bronx-man-confesses-to-laser-pointer-incident-after-cops-arrest-his-housemate << mega-lol yet again

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Bronx man confesses to laser pointer incident after cops arrest his housemate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDcIL2 )

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decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing.

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BingoBoingo is overflowing with Wintel hate atm

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<mircea_popescu> decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing << This

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mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: the basic mechanics here: wintel racket was powered, like many other similar idiocies, by the american 'fat'

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which is to say, it is not enough to con chumps, they must also have fat to be rendered for

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then they can go off to the shops and buy 'windows 95' because the cardboard waving hand says to (actual thing, saw alive, in '95)

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but the blow their fat disposable income on resulting new computer

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decimation look at it this way : 14nm was demonstrated in memories cca 2005, intel shipped it in 2015.

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without which the idiot crud won't boot

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asciilifeform: And then you find old folks on the family tree to which you owe defference

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10nm was demonstrated... cca 2009 ?

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it's not happening.

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without fat - nothing to power the engine

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well, it certainly seems that we are at the edge of what silicon can yield

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economically.

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the folks who are supposed to be buying new computer on microshit's say-so are short a benjie or two for rent this month

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there's that big bitch in there. ~economically~. the cost for 10nm is alreadyu not covered by the density benefits

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mircea_popescu: outside of a handful of 'naggums' - it was -never- justified

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virtually all computer users got vastly more actual 'bang for buck' in 1992 than today

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hm ?

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heh. think about bitcoin on pc xt

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not so far-fetched to picture it on pent1

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asciilifeform: yes, but not in terms of raw flops, when massaged properly

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we have essentially that on pogo

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there's little doubt that man's ability to create tiny features on silicon has far outpaced his ability to do something useful with them

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while being one of the really not so many people who found it properly useful, i will still say that ultimately it was a side effect of a mega-scam

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asciilifeform: what's 'it'? the pursuit of small features?

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it was a side effect of a mega-scam << ?

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point being, the trillions needed for 10nm and beyond aren't forthcoming and that's the end of this run.

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which was a great run, a point that'll be made obvious by the anger of all the hanger-ons once itstops

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whether 10nm is the stopping point or not, I agree that this is the ultimate end. exponentially increasing fab costs cannot abide forever

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right.

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decimation: what's 'it' << the difference in cpu available to luser today vs. '92

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asciilifeform: yeah I think there's some truth to that - ultimately the vast majority of computer-purchasing money is 'dumb money'

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not merely this, but driven to be spent entirely by microshit's idiot 'operating system pr0gr3ss'

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incidentally, the 'laser terrorism' thing is, as always, smoke which is never without fire:

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the helicopter is the symbol of statal power against the peon schmuck

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in every modern evil empire

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the folks on the ground 'must know their place', is the message.

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The Hind started that

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the helicopter is an easily pricked balloon.

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asciilifeform: yeah there's some truth to that, wrt aircraft in general too

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decimation: was not always so. think of the 'barnstormers' of the '30s, the '50s delusions of 'every man and his little flying coffin', etc

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but soon it was clear even to imbeciles that flying was an aristocrat's (or totalitarian thug enforcer's...) game.

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asciilifeform: yeah, note how aircraft went from tinkering in the barn to 'instruments of power'

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and the similarity with computers

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^

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incidentally, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/bronx-man-confesses-to-laser-pointer-incident-after-cops-arrest-his-housemate/?comments=1&post=28682927

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Bronx man confesses to laser pointer incident after cops arrest his housemate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlocRF )

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BingoBoingo ^

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BingoBoingo very angrey atm

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from this point of view, the tinker's duty is to be the Praetorian guard for the state

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BingoBoingo also incredibly drunk

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<jurov> my opinions were formed by several friends eating disinfo that was later traced back to RT, with sink and hooker << hook line and sinker perhaps the phrase?

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otherwise this is a new one for me

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sink and hooker is bester

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hyu

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k

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i'll accept

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'i'ma start my own casino now, with sink'n'hookerz'

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"yeah i'll take the whole thing sink luser and hooker"

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meh.

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BingoBoingo dealing with family member brought to malware in an impersonal way, but I want to take this transgression very personally

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BingoBoingo smash is default setting here

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BingoBoingo recognizeds /me very drunk and traveling to India to /smash would be a challenge

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BingoBoingo still leans towards .smash as a remedy

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ben_vulpes: sigh, got bitcoind built on aws, now I got to buy more storage space :(

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aws was the best alternative?

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BingoBoingo: lemme guess, the old classic 'fake av' sc4m

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brendafdez: it's an alternative

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as I recall, folks here have had good luck with 'vultr' too

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asciilifeform: Torrent seed node sc4m

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well, 'good'.

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shit goes goes down and comes up more frequently than an expert cocksucker.

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ben_vulpes: what? aws?

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vultr.

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'So the thing that interests me the most is that this doesn't seem to have been weaponized by anyone. I'd think, given how much disparity there is between modern military units and insurgent groups and how much of that relies on air superiority, that we'd be hearing regularly about lasers being used to blind combat air pilots...' << from comments

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ah.

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for all the hate it gets around here, aws is pretty solid

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untrustworthy, but what is.

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agreed, it does seem solid

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doesn't need to be trusted if nothing secret is on it

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still

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i'd love me a dedi

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well, yeah, but I love me $k per month

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jurov linked a thing, some 50 us/mo iirc for dedis

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!up deedbot-

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seems dubious

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... ( http://bit.ly/1LyiHVO )

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deedbot you fuck

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trinque: get that thing on your account and get it upped permanently, would you?

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So cheap black box with pf stops all undesirable traffic. Still some poor ass brown fucks (likely) managed to land malware on my mum's computer which would make it a mega seed node for shows available freely on OTa networks.

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BingoBoingo saw letter boils in anger

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And vodka

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... ( http://bit.ly/1wNORR5 )

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weird, in pm that works.

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trinque goes to poke the tenyks

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BingoBoingo: yeah I will

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* ben_vulpes ^

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BingoBoingo plans on setting up mum and edge router lite, but in the interim... Imma drink so much vodka

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... ( http://bit.ly/1wNP6vp )

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asciilifeform may be hearing of a fella drinking on account of a crapware incident for the first time

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ben_vulpes: as I recall the stuff hosted on aws didn't have any problems with mr. ddos

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BingoBoingo so pissed I might have to wander till I find a coyote just to have a fair fight as I kick its teeth out.

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decimation: aws drops those packets iirc

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asciilifeform: This is only exceptional in the sense that there are potentially nameable enemies who might b attribule

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BingoBoingo drinks on occasions?

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asciilifeform: But since they have already earned the shitlist.

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ben_vulpes: Occasions just make me drink moar.

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amusingly the http://www.ntp.org/ page has a box begging people to block non-assigned ips from ingressing or egressing

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ntp.org: Home of the Network Time Protocol ... ( http://bit.ly/1LyjtSw )

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kinda what i'm getting at

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Hatorade isn't even a charitable description of my current beverage.

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deedbot-: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1LyiHVO )

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imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF

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you fuck

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BingoBoingo impressed he can maintain this anger while his democratocally elected mayor struggles to breathe http://www.bnd.com/2015/03/18/3718138/highland-mayor-takes-big-step.html

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Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDY9Q6 )

01:44

trinque: did it not work?

01:45

ben_vulpes: note the two deedbots which were necessary to make it listen

01:45

hahahaha

01:45

yet direct_only=False in the command

01:45

no.

01:45

whatever I'll figure it out

01:45

i did not.

01:45

meatfilters kicked in.

01:45

haha

01:45

one more try and I'll stop shitposting

01:45

01:45

... ( http://bit.ly/1xDYl1C )

01:45

trinque: Just copy the punkbot interface

01:46

!up FrankU

01:46

BingoBoingo: the way it currently is, it just eats whatever URL

01:46

sees whether it's a key or message, does the right thing

01:46

I'm having to mention it though to get it to pay attention to commands

01:46

which... not the behavior in the manual

↖ ↖

01:46

I am probably doing something wrong

01:46

trinque: The way punkbot did had no real commands.

01:46

BingoBoingo: yeh that's how this will be

01:47

I have my fears and reservations

01:47

life's scary

01:48

So noone's going to give a cheer to cheif Joe for making it from rehab to a nursing home?

01:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45256 @ 0.0002928 = 13.251 BTC [-]

01:50

ben_vulpes: what size volumes do you use?

01:53

100g

01:53

+

01:53

sigh

01:53

that's 5 large per month

01:53

Not in pounds sterling... anymore

01:53

http://io9.com/watch-a-pair-of-tank-mounted-fighter-jet-engines-exting-1675620218 << vintage l0l

01:53

Watch A Pair Of Tank-Mounted Fighter Jet Engines Extinguish An Oil Fire ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDZQgc )

01:53

for ssds sure

01:54

magnetic is 5 cents per gb-month

01:55

*

decimation contemplates having aws image network-mount his home 'block store'

01:56

hm no then my memory's flawed

01:56

$60 per year is for rich folk

01:56

mayhap

01:57

per earlier thread, now is the time to lay in magnetic drives, chips and ram.

01:59

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058637 < trying to practice

01:59

Logged on 20-03-2015 00:58:04; asciilifeform: possibly the most dangerous animal to be in the lands of usg (and au, as i understand, is a kind of target practice range for usg idiocies) is the fella with just enough to be worth skinning, but three or four zeroes short of mircea_popescu-esque atomic dirigible where he can hit back

02:00

practicing hitting back?

02:00

*

ben_vulpes did not parse

02:00

No appologies from there are possible. Fuckers targetted my mum.

02:00

no, I should have included his earlier point. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058631 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058634 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058635

02:00

Logged on 20-03-2015 00:55:00; asciilifeform: cazalla clearly has insufficient reputation for poverty

02:00

Logged on 20-03-2015 00:56:22; asciilifeform: cultivate this reputation.

02:00

Logged on 20-03-2015 00:56:30; asciilifeform: it may well save your skin

02:01

aha

02:04

02:04

... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1BKC )

02:04

Some lite skinned indian motherfucker was trying to exhaust my mum's ISP connection by seeding torrents of tv shows available over the air. I am the anger.

02:05

02:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1LS7 )

02:05

BingoBoingo: if it makesyafeelbetter, a phriend of mine once pwned an indian spamwalla centre where they did this.

02:05

oh derp

02:05

!up deedbot-

02:05

02:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1QFl )

02:05

imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF

02:05

there it goes

02:06

*

asciilifeform must be off to sleep, and will leave you folks with http://engwonders.byethost9.com/e047.html

02:06

LONDON'S HYDRAULIC POWER ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1Wgl )

02:06

^ goes esp. for ben_vulpes

02:06

asciilifeform: The worst part is I know this had to have been targetted. Someone had to spend a non-trivial amount of time. I suspect a partcular name and yet...

02:07

brendafdez: You ever smuggled living people out of Usia?

02:07

!up smidge

02:08

BingoBoingo hahah no :P

02:08

brendafdez: You ever try?

02:09

BingoBoingo selling staff on our local eBay was easier, laziness always wins for me

02:09

*stuff

02:09

staff lol

02:10

brendafdez: are you willing to listen to a story in 3 parts?

02:10

02:10

... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1QFl )

02:10

imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF

02:10

BingoBoingo urm why not

02:11

brendafdez: So you know USia has federalism. The state level (Illinois in this case) defers to the county. In this case corrupt as St Clair county which contains East StL in its borders.

02:12

that looks like a good, trinque

02:12

;;later tell mircea_popescu deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/thing.txt << still needs the colon, but now figures out whether it's a key or deed on its own

02:12

Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE2X7T )

02:12

The operation succeeded.

02:12

For the longest time allegedly St Clair county has tried to fuck with me. 7 hours ago St Clair county seems to have made the jump from fucking with me specifically to fucking with members of my family.

02:12

ben_vulpes: yeh how do I associate the fucker with my account?

02:12

*

trinque could be less lazy and poke nickserv himself

02:12

make a new nick

02:13

associate it with your account by specifying your existing email iirc

02:13

or register it or however that works

02:13

poop into #freenode, get cloak for it

02:13

brendafdez: I'm of dutch and not sicilian ancestry so I can't make strong promises of vengance based on besmirching the family name.

02:13

ask kakobrekla about it, he's savvy to bot dynamics

02:13

ben_vulpes: ah k, no special "dis here be my bot"

02:13

k

02:13

also you'll wnt to talk to kakobrekla about permavoice in any event

02:14

BingoBoingo over here in brendaland utc -3 is a good time for stories :P also i hate that it's too hot and can't sleep. I was trying to avoid selling more btc to get a/c considering winter is supposed to be coming

02:14

brendafdez: I do however feel much less safe here in the middle west than I did even 24 hours ago

02:15

<brendafdez> BingoBoingo over here in brendaland utc -3 is a good time for stories :P also i hate that it's too hot and can't sleep. I was trying to avoid selling more btc to get a/c considering winter is supposed to be coming << Bingo is not all powerful like MP, but for the right price could correct all of these problems

02:15

*

BingoBoingo wishes his adversaries in USia would Va a Chengarse

02:17

BingoBoingo right for whom ;)

02:18

brendafdez: How familiar are you with William James and his psychology?

02:18

I'm not sure if 'not at all' conveys the whole meaning of my degree of ignorance

02:19

Well one can always elaborate more

02:20

So your feelings of 'unsafeness', where do they stem from?

02:20

I mean

02:20

From being in the middle of a hostile wasteland

02:20

Leaving USia would be hard?

02:21

Some years I am surrounded by Corn, the others soybeans

02:21

Well, here in Arg there are soybeans aplenty

02:21

brendafdez: Well, I'd have to get further south than Mexico. They might want me for lab work

02:21

but if you live close to the field you'll likely get intoxicated by the monsanto crap+

02:22

I live very close to fields I am prolly lost in that way already

02:22

dunno, maybe they are slightly more careful with that over there

02:23

I've lived through a warm midwestern spring already where you can smell the pigshit on the beanfields. Not a thing to relive voluntarily

02:24

that's what the texas panhandle smells like

02:24

story is making me love the big town

02:24

oh hah

02:24

shit and chemicals

02:24

I drove through there moving to the pacific nw

02:24

brendafdez: If you want to love anything at all here you would love the St Louis Cardinals. best art show in the middle west

02:25

just move here to argentina already :)

02:25

I need a way out

02:26

I actually kinda want to visit the phillipines before argentina

02:26

tbh, I doubt I'd be able to get a US tourist visa even, at the moment

02:27

Eh, not really worth it. What is there left to see?

02:28

dunno, but even just for the language id like to go. I mean it's weird for me speaking english so much in the internet, and never having been to an en speaking place.

02:29

it was an enjoyable experience when I lived in Germany for a brief period, a couple of months, just getting to speak the local language gave me the thrills (I'm weird, I know :P)

02:30

There I fell in love with a Russian girl, it was in 2008, it was awesome that we'd both speak with each other in a language that was foreign for both, felt special, like being in bitcoin these days (?

02:32

*

BingoBoingo kinda wants to it the phils before .ar to pick up a cheap wife

02:32

German as a language is the suck

02:33

BingoBoingo if much of your feelings of unsafeness stem from local State corruption, you'd like it in Argentina. It's not that there's no corruption over here, on the contrary, but they get to interefere much less with peoples lives. The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.

02:33

IT was the hottest thing ever, girl whispering in german softly to your ear... ahhh priceless.

02:33

That's the problem. Here they pretend no corruptness while being sooper corrupt.

02:33

even with her russian accent, only made it better

02:34

*

BingoBoingo thinks bagging a north Korean chick would be better than Everest

02:35

Just the German language doesnt allow for the flirting that makes the pursuit fun

02:37

They must be really cheap :P

02:37

ICH WILL DICH

02:38

sounds like you're going to drain her blood

02:38

brendafdez: In USia everything is cheap

02:38

you can say it softly, but people tend to picture it in their minds with a Hitler voice xD

02:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77236 @ 0.00030327 = 23.4234 BTC [+] {2}

02:38

then it the most un-hot language imaginable

02:39

brendafdez: admittedly probably more like rammstein

02:39

unless you're into Hilter-voiced people xD

02:39

yep

02:39

more like Rammstein

02:39

I could never bring myself to like them, but I liked bands that were such crap

02:39

I was still a teenager, so you can't blame me ;)

02:39

pissed off my parents, good enough for me in early teens

02:40

I've always found German the hottest when I though the Girl might bake me

02:40

:D

02:41

I need to find a foreign-speaking gf/bf/whatever soon, being with the locals doesn't compare

02:41

not that I have much success with the locals, either...

02:41

There was this hot German exchange chick in High School my sernior year evern though every class was equivalent of her Junior year. Let's refer to her a Kirsten Nao

02:42

Kirsten successfully corrected me away from monogamy

02:42

you're forever indebted with her

02:42

Maybe?

02:42

the sooner you fix that monogamy thing the better, me thinks

02:43

The getting off part is fine. I'm just not much one for the loving part.

02:44

St Louis Cardinals was a baseball team then? That was the art show? :P

02:44

It is totally still a thing. It is my favorite baseball team

02:44

The art show is the wa Wainright gets opposing pitchers out

02:45

It is serious art embeded in human motion

02:46

art is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't dispute that. I would however find it hard to see art in sport. It must be there, but generally I just couldn't care less. When there's a major sports event here, it means 'good time to go outside and take pictures of the empty streets and such'

02:47

Oh, I'm not talking about someone who throws the ball the hardest. I mean art. Waino tosses the ball among the most pleasing line.

02:48

Lots to learn, maybe I could appreciate it someday...

02:48

other than that, I don't know that the US is producing a lot of worthwhile art

02:48

brendafdez: You've been in .ar forever?

02:49

always lived here, yes, except for two months or so i lived in munich bc some stupid institute decided to foot the bill :D

02:50

apart from that, i've only travelled briefly to neighboring countries, like uruguay (many times), brazil (once), paraguay (once)

02:50

The best way I can explain baseball aesthetically then is as a dance where every movement holds the entire game at stake

02:51

It is neatly the opposite of the abortus which purports to host a "super bowl"

02:53

This scrawny dude is actually my favorite player http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carpema01.shtml

02:53

Matt Carpenter Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTkFq )

02:54

Dude know how to avoid getting out

02:56

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/03/19/dongle_history_etymology_and_word_and_sound_associations_explained.html

02:56

Dongle history, etymology, and word and sound associations, explained. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTOvo )

03:07

I saw a Cards game in 2010 when I was in St. Louis

03:07

bought a Pujols t-shirt and everything

03:08

made the mistake of wearing that when flying out of Dallas to go back home, and had random people shouting "Go Cards!" at me

03:08

fluffypony: And then he left

03:08

It hurt

03:12

brendafdez, while in Germany, were you a girl yet?

03:26

nope, i was presenting male :P

03:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49592 @ 0.0002928 = 14.5205 BTC [-]

03:52

!up odyjm

04:06

anyone read ukraineo

04:09

http://forklog.com/sluzhba-bezopasnosti-ukrainy-bitkoin-ispolzuetsya-dlya-finansirovaniya-separatistov/ if anyone can translate accurately

04:09

Служба безопасности Украины: биткоин используется для финансирования сепаратистов | Bitcoin новости ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzMHdh )

04:14

^ transaltion blows the fuck up

~ 42 minutes ~

04:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00030101 = 7.5253 BTC [+]

04:58

;;ticker --market all

04:59

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 259.0, vol: 11891.50982578 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 256.74, vol: 9534.25606 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 260.41, vol: 54648.2626453 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 263.56, vol: 3.05171398 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 259.907463, vol: 254519.98310000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.00001, vol: 3.10171189 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 265.0128, vol: 121.40926025 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

05:06

drunk and all you still care about the price? :P

05:07

Nah, I jsut wanna see the hipsters burn

05:10

the old mircea_popescu pic complemented trilema, but this new one is difficult with MP staring at you while you read

05:11

it's scary

05:11

but we'll get used to it, i hope

05:11

brendafdez, you don't care about the price?

05:12

scary? i won't give him that :)

05:12

how about.. i'm trying to read here, do you mind?

05:13

if i'm not gonna do anything based on that information atm there's no reason i should care...

05:13

ease it up

05:13

Don't drink and #b-a

05:13

Everyone here is here to read trilema basically

05:22

or thedrinkingrecord :P

05:22

lol, yeah

05:25

fucking media here.. former PM malcolm fraser dies.. every politician gets his 5 minutes in every newspaper, twitter feed, radio stream to express what a great leader, game changer etc etc the dead guy was

05:26

at least it seems that way anyway

05:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00030275 = 24.6893 BTC [+] {3}

05:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68027 @ 0.00030506 = 20.7523 BTC [+] {2}

05:35

cazalla better they talk about that than whatever new evil laws they are up to

05:35

chetty, that would be retaining meta data for 2 years

05:36

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058040 <<< according to what you say it would be *most* people go that route, since the beginning of 2015 there are two deposits that could match an account creation, when there are 750 btc on the new accounts revenue line

05:36

Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.

05:36

as well as a black list to block sites like thepiratebay.. fraser's death couldn't have been timed better tbh

05:41

the 2 year retention period is sorta bullshit anyway as it's the ISPs who need to keep the data for 2 years, but if a gov dept such as ASIO or the police request that data, they are allowed to keep it forever, so i'm sure they will just request all data so that they can keep it forever (if they aren't already doing it)

05:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105250 @ 0.00029657 = 31.214 BTC [-] {2}

~ 34 minutes ~

06:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00030524 = 1.4957 BTC [+]

~ 22 minutes ~

06:42

!up deedbot-

06:42

deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3QD6MT5.txt

06:42

... ( http://bit.ly/1BECOXf )

06:44

trinque: ^ doth not work?

~ 19 minutes ~

07:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00030524 = 11.2328 BTC [+]

07:04

trinque nice.

07:10

ohai mircea_popescu

07:11

heya

07:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00030525 = 19.4139 BTC [+] {2}

07:12

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: webmaster@extropy.org

07:12

aww.

07:18

!up DigitalDayTrader

07:18

with all this digitality of modernity, it turns out the postwar mobsters were eerily before their time.

07:18

"give us the money or we're taking your digits!"

07:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.0003053 = 2.1829 BTC [+]

07:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059532 << it is ?

07:24

Logged on 20-03-2015 05:13:40; asciilifeform: the helicopter is the symbol of statal power against the peon schmuck

07:24

maybe in vietnam.

07:25

i'd tend to agree with asciilifeform, what are all these US police helicopter-chase shows for if not for clearly asserting that "there's nowhere to run" ?

07:25

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059539 << same's said of sailing. meanwhile most people sailing or flying independently are actually poor, mostly on account of rich people not wanting to take that sort of risk.

07:25

Logged on 20-03-2015 05:15:29; asciilifeform: but soon it was clear even to imbeciles that flying was an aristocrat's (or totalitarian thug enforcer's...) game.

07:26

davout but then again, they don't have to be FOR something. they may well just be BECAUSE of something, that something being "we got a helicopter"

07:26

flying *is* pretty awesome :D

07:26

that in turn being because helicopters exist in the first place.

07:27

im sure driving a car is pretty awesome to fish, and for the same reason : "mamma mia if i crash this tank im fucked"

07:27

does anyone know that pilot joke? "how do you know someone's a pilot?"

07:27

how ?

07:27

he'll tell you

07:27

lol.

07:27

anyway, last fucking job you want in a conflict zone is flying the helicopters.

07:28

only job to score consistently under tradecraft for security.

07:29

too many people were all "lulz, i lazered the pilot" here in australia so anything over 1mw.. banned

07:30

... 1 mw ?!

07:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60981 @ 0.0003053 = 18.6175 BTC [+]

07:30

oh oh mW not MW

07:30

ya sorry, milliwatt

07:30

i was like omfg australia, large spiders, larger lasers.

07:31

people were lulz lazering athletes at games too

07:31

lelz, lasering pilots is so fucking retarded

07:32

davout, yeah.. they coined it "lazer attacks"

07:32

example http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/citys-worst-laser-attacks-on-aircraft/2008/03/29/1206207485440.html

07:32

City's worst laser attacks on aircraft - Travel - smh.com.au ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjGJnj )

07:32

it's like everyone in the sky gets pissed at you, while the laserer conveniently gives a massive arrow pointing to his sorry ass

07:32

does calling it "attacks" make it moar important ?

07:33

it *is* pretty dangerous

07:33

everyone had these fucking things circa 2008, all from dx.com

07:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.00029536 = 18.652 BTC [-]

07:33

"These gutless and cowardly attacks have to be stopped," he said. "I am preparing a proposal to cabinet to consider making these items a prohibited weapon."

07:33

davout it is ?

07:33

just like retards flying drones in restricted airspace are dangerous as well

07:34

the drones i can actually see.

07:34

mircea_popescu, the pollie that said that got busted for gay sex like a year later, clearly didn't want to play ball anymore (or did)

07:34

they're sort-of like turkeys, which have caused problems in the past, so planes have been shielded against them, so it no longer matters.

07:34

so they don't actually do anything, so nevermind.

07:34

mircea_popescu: i hang around a bit on /r/flying, also watched a few vids of ATPs being lasered and yes, it does look pretty dangerous

07:34

not the original statement hm ?

07:34

humans, more and more clever ways to commit mayhem on each other.

07:35

and it's not like you'll get lasered at high altitudes with the PA on and your cock in some flight attendant's mouth, you'll get lasered when approaching

07:36

davout and your windows won't protect you, because... antiglare's not been invented.

07:36

what do they do in the sun ?

07:36

it will illuminate the cockpit, blind you, will take your mind off of your checklist

07:36

drop down those flaps like they have in the car ?

07:36

it won't fucking blind you.

07:37

it will iluminate the cockpit less than what fucking police lights do.

07:37

my cessna has these flaps you speak of :D

07:37

what next, this is a legitimate car crash reason ? "police lights illuminated my cockpit your honor. let the police dept pay."

07:37

damn, that is not a half bad idea

07:37

yw.

07:37

lol

07:38

"omaigawd stuffwas illuminated, i totally lost my trtain of thought. o look, unicorns!!1"

07:39

anyway, all this beating around the bush. here's to making the penis a dangerous weapon.

07:39

the trajectory of the sun combined with the police lights and lazer mounted drone caused me to run down mr gavin by accident

07:39

you don't want to miss shit on your checklist

07:39

no, you don't. so don't miss shit on your fucking checklist.

07:40

*

cazalla points green lazer at davout.. lol lazered

07:40

now, mind you, i'm the first to agree the lasers are fucking annyoing and the idiots wielding them need better hobbies.

07:40

but those facts don't make derpy lasers "weapons" and etc etc.

07:41

"Pilots unanimously say that the effect of a laser-pen's beam in the cockpit is very similar to the effect of a car's high-beam headlights at a short distance -- it blinds you. The decision-making time before a landing is only 10 critical seconds, pilots say -- and these moments are not to fight green laser beams, but to make critically important decisions. "

07:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI7Qq1mYQlI

07:41

'Laser attack' caught on tape: View from plane cockpit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjH1dT )

07:42

not saying that this is a good reason to forbid lasers, i'm saying they can be pretty dangerous

07:42

davout but that's not the cockpit, that's the cam.

07:42

the australian law, at least as i see it, was more them saying, ok you've had your fun but no more of this please

07:42

and if maximally zoomed (looks about 16x) it very briefly shines.

07:43

if that's the effect on the cam, it's not a complete stretch to say that you can believe pilots when they say it's blinding

07:43

pretty much exactly consistent with what i[ve been saying last time we did this laser thing

07:43

and you have a larger view later on the video

07:43

well if you've ever used cams, it actually is, yes.

07:43

you could achieve a similar effect against drivers with a cheap camera + servos aiming it... let's ban all electronics!

07:43

it's unclear to me why pilots would make that up

07:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034826 << problem, blockchain on disk depends on the order in which it saw those 'orphans'

07:44

Logged on 26-02-2015 21:23:55; asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct.

07:44

instead of putting their shades on and shrugging it off

07:44

davout pilots did not make anything up. they say it's fucking annoying. im sure it is.

07:44

then bureaucrat drones are going on about weapons and whatnot, with nary a clue about anything but what could be persuasively argued to a mostly clueless public.

07:44

this is fine as far as the system goes, it's own "democratic" logic, et all.

07:44

but it's still ridoinculous.

07:44

davout you ever been with a group of professionals ?

07:45

professionals in what field? aeronautics?

07:45

when met with any novel thing, the bulk will shrug and carry on, the 19% marginals will yak about it,

07:45

because it distracts from a discussion about how they suck, and people should fire them

07:45

in any fucking field.

07:46

ima firen mah lazer

07:46

Adlai i suppose he meant bitwise identical star, to be translated as, same txn

07:46

hm?

07:46

"if ends up with bitwise identical* blockchain"

07:47

i think you underestimate the danger of having a laser pointed at you when you're doing an approach

07:47

what [i think] you want is identical answers to whether a transaction is valid

07:47

davout that may be true.

07:48

Adlai you want the same exact set of transactions to have been accepted.

07:49

davout but it turns out, stuff like aegis cruisers don't have lasers installed to blind enemy pilots, dropped chaff isn't tiny shining laser pointers etc.

07:49

as far as weaponry goes, let's look at you know, weaponry.

07:50

that's kind of like saying "if banana peels are dangerous, why don't the US marines carry them around" :D

07:50

why aren't the terrorists yelling fire in crowded theatresL

07:50

the discussion wasn't if this is annoying or not, but whether the drone droning about weapons had a point. at least in my head.

07:51

wouldja say banana peels are weapons or something ?

07:51

for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon".

07:51

they can be deadly if strategically placed

07:51

you gonna make that charge stick ?

07:52

naaah

07:52

good cause there's all sorts of instructional videos on how to defend yourself.

07:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

07:52

Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjHo8d )

07:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89900 @ 0.00030584 = 27.495 BTC [+] {2}

07:53

look, i'm not arguing that because they are annoying and potentially dangerous to aircrafts that gives a justification to anyone to forbid them, simply stating that retards will be retards, and annoy pilots in a sensitive flight phase

07:53

anyway, i suppose the difference between "this is slightly annoying' and "this is terrorism" has long been lost.

07:53

so maybe, lobbyists looking for lobbies to lob should try to get all aircraft windows tinted

07:53

mircea_popescu: sure

07:54

few days ago in france: "terrorism is bad, let's lower the limit for cash payments from 3000 to 1000€"

07:54

heh.

07:55

no but seriously, someone could use 3k euros to buy a proper rifle + bullets.

07:55

1k euros not enough for this.

07:55

course inflation'd have naturally fixed that over time.

07:55

(anyone notice how those "limits" are not yearly indexed, like govt pensions ?)

07:55

"thank you for this kalashnikov, may i have my receipt"

07:56

they're trying to push through mandatory sentencing for weapons here down under.. 5 years for trafficking hand guns etc

07:56

davout are you intimating the bureaucracy's ineffective because it lives in its own world anyway ?

07:56

fucking french terrorists.

07:56

cazalla "mandatory sentencing" is the most ridiculous perversion of justice ever.

07:56

essentially stalin's administrative powers thing.

07:56

someone is breaking into my home.. best i call the police to come in 10m time because law does not permit me to own a shot gun to blast the cunt in seconds

07:57

cazalla: BLAST IT WITH PISS

07:57

davout, not even mine is big enough to kill loaded with booze

07:58

cazalla why not use lasers ?

07:58

now i understand finally the crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle bit.

07:58

all those tactical lights ARE REALLY WEAPONS

07:58

mircea_popescu: to be honest, a strategically banana peel might be more effective in this particular case

07:58

*placed

07:58

lol

07:59

;;google guy that crossed atlantic in a barrel died in new york, slipping on banana peel

07:59

Banana split: Worker peels back skin to find two fruits in one | Daily ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279150/Banana-split-Worker-peels-skin-fruits-one.html>; The appeal of peel: The surprising ways fruit and veg skins can work ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2004070/The-appeal-peel-The-surprising-ways-fruit-veg-skins-work-wonders-looks.html>; (1 more message)

07:59

^ real event.

07:59

lazer illegal, plastic knife illegal (if used as weapon), baseball bat also illegal if kept in bedroom because no legitimate reason to keep it there, must fetch from car and come back to bedroom to beat off attacker

07:59

cazalla doesn't sound like much of a country does it ?

07:59

what the fuck "not much reason to keep it there". what fucking reason does uninvited third party have to be in your bedroom ?

07:59

let's start with that.

08:00

not "not much reason" but no reason, why would a law abiding citizen keep his sporting equipment under the bed? surely it is in garage with the rest of the foosballs etc

08:00

because the wife's a stretcher ?

08:00

cazalla: mebbe it's for butseks

08:01

seriously, nobody run the endless reels of "woman fucks baseball bat" for the court on that one ?

08:01

talk about dropping the ball.

08:01

i could've claimed so with the ex gf but not this woman

08:01

so she's training for it.

08:01

"she's starting by getting used to the bat's presence your honor"

08:01

ex could've taken 2 tbh

08:02

she was a champ like that

08:03

what, one in butt one in cunt, then walk on them ?

08:03

that'd be an act.

08:03

nah 2 in cunt, guess 1 in the ass too

08:03

damn, she was the best lay but would've made for a shitty mother

08:04

this is why one needs pairs.

08:04

dependent on bitcoin, goes up enough, i have a place or two for such women

08:05

as it is atm, no can do

08:05

well what's the rush.

08:05

gotta be unable to get it up, first.

08:05

well, isnt any atm

08:05

then you can make comments to them about their black boyfriends and we can ostracize you and take your stadium away.

08:05

hahaha

08:06

cazalla how do you know the shitty mother bit btw ?

08:06

afaik reformed whores make the best mothers.

08:06

mircea_popescu, because she fucked around with shit like tramadol

08:06

...

08:06

she was fucking useless for anything else but sex

08:06

wait. how do you fuck around with antipyretics ?!

08:07

a kid would be lucky to get 1 meal a day with such a woman

08:07

o wait, that's the opioid huh.

08:07

i dunno, never tried it, she use to steal it from work place

08:08

well, reformed was in there for a reason.

08:08

well i wouldn't know seeing i didn't stick around to find out

08:09

i thought the naive virginal conservative wife would make for the best mother

08:09

i made my bed, so now i sleep in it

08:09

conservatives don't make very good parents for that reason. kinda why nature put all the poop in the process, make sure it gets a fair shot.

08:10

all the 10 inched black boyfriends in the world wouldn't make any difference for some types of women anyway

08:10

is 10 inches big or small these days ?

08:10

i've not been following the internet conversation.

08:11

seems to be the average, but i dunno

08:11

average in what, horses ?

08:12

i have nfi, too much to drink

08:13

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ?

08:13

Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual

08:18

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059683 << eh get out srsly. it doesn't get any more random and unintentional than that.

08:18

Logged on 20-03-2015 06:06:35; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The worst part is I know this had to have been targetted. Someone had to spend a non-trivial amount of time. I suspect a partcular name and yet...

08:20

i tried to convince him of such in PM yet.. he convinced me drinking was a good idea (ok not really, not like i need much encouragement)

08:21

in other news, derpy mcsweater-glass and his two nude friends : http://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b9d92eacede7d95def9d6ee99f578b/tumblr_myjsgrcYzT1rjqog4o1_1280.jpg

08:21

... ( http://bit.ly/1bjIocv )

08:22

cazalla lol you two need to stop drinking and buy coins from the proceeds.

08:22

end up richest dudes in b-a.

08:23

i've prob pissed away 2-3k the past 12-18 months on booze

08:23

ah, nm, that's not so bad

08:24

i think i spent about the same.

08:24

could be more, could be less, just a guestimate

08:24

let's see

08:24

2-3k << ozd?

08:25

five bucks a day, that's like what, a drink.

08:25

$60x78=4680 so sorta in range

08:25

you're supposed to drink that much just to keep the shit from migrating to your head.

08:26

acutally i quit for years, sober as a judge

08:26

cazalla you ever seen "some came running" ?

08:26

of course, i would not be rotting away where i will be monday if i remained sober lol

08:27

nope

08:27

dean martin is this total drunk, and at some point he says to sinatra

08:27

"you know ever since you quit drinking you've been insufferable ?!"

08:28

i prolly was, only took it up again a month or so before missus had baby

08:28

in fact, i would harp on to my brother, who i lived with at the time, that he needed to quit drinking

08:29

did he ?

08:30

not sure tbh, we didn't speak for a few years, only recently began talking again

08:30

i assume he drinks though given he's back at the parents and god knows they drink

08:31

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059745 << ru chicks will take over the world.

08:31

Logged on 20-03-2015 06:30:59; brendafdez: There I fell in love with a Russian girl, it was in 2008, it was awesome that we'd both speak with each other in a language that was foreign for both, felt special, like being in bitcoin these days (?

08:31

geei hope not, can't say ruski women do it for me

08:32

even the bond goldeneye girls were meh

08:32

ever had one ?

08:32

well no, but

08:32

i did work with a short haired ruski chick

08:32

well don't knock it fore you've... uh. you know.

08:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059746 << you know that's the wrong way to go about the wife business. if you just want a cheap one the cheapest wife you could ever get is no wife at all.

08:33

Logged on 20-03-2015 06:32:38; *: BingoBoingo kinda wants to it the phils before .ar to pick up a cheap wife

08:34

mircea_popescu, not many down under, not like i'll ever leave

08:34

so unless they come here..

08:34

brendafdez: The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.<< they believe teh movies.

08:34

plenty of chinese

08:34

cazalla used to know this chick, eventualy gave up teh life married some guy went to melbourne

08:35

im sure there's plenty in ozland.

08:35

melbourne sucks

08:35

not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole

08:35

most everyone lives there neh ?

08:35

there is nothing redeeming about it at all

08:36

mircea_popescu, and sydney, yeah

08:36

both are shit

08:36

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059755 << will = liebe ?

08:36

Logged on 20-03-2015 06:37:57; trinque: ICH WILL DICH

08:36

or wtf's that suppost to be

08:37

they tear down anything old and replace it with modern architecture, and what they can't pull down completely, they subert the old by merging the new into it

08:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00030614 = 23.5116 BTC [+] {2}

08:37

anyway, tasmania is best australia

08:38

lmao this log. im bashing this shit

08:38

http://www.lasersafetyfacts.com/resources/Laser-hazard-distance-chart.pdf

08:38

... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ0Pa )

08:38

TIL mp doesn't think lazers in yr eyes are bad ;/

08:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSxDHW2MvBw

08:39

Seinfeld — Puerto Rican Day: The Apartment (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ5Co )

08:41

mircea_popescu:for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". <<< now you're just shoehorning

08:41

that's a thing ?

08:42

sure is

08:42

"Shoehorning is a ploy used by psychics, or religious apologetic or other charlatans, as a way to make it sound like their prophecies or those of earlier prophets had come true. "

08:42

o.O

08:43

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoehorning << notwithstanding the bad grammar, that's one of the more representative wikipedia articles i dare say.

08:43

Shoehorning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJfK8 )

08:43

nubbins` anyway, why ?

08:44

idk about wikitardia definition, but you're just being pedantic 8)

08:45

suppose the asshole leaves a banana peel at the top of the stairs

08:45

"wasn't a weapon, whatcha gonna do"

08:45

exactly.

08:45

what, you expect the law to intervene ?

08:45

before the fact? c'est impossible

08:45

before or after,

08:46

or in the commerce of bannanas.

08:46

isn't this much less circuitous than the original discussion 8)

08:46

but i guess you're more of a journey guy than a destination guy, hey

08:47

well i dunno lol. i tend to follow.

08:47

unrelated, i *just* clued into the mad hatter's hat from TTLG

08:47

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/114/114-h/images/alice38a.gif

08:47

... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJmp8 )

08:47

;;ud ttlg

08:47

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=through+the+looking+glass | Similar to the twilight zone, where nothing is quite what it seems. In Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass book, it can mean clocks that work...

08:48

last 33 years: "why does his hat say 10/6?"

08:48

today: "wat, it says 'in this style' above it? o"

08:49

it's 10 shillings and 6pence.

08:50

nod

08:50

i did not have this knowledge last i read it ;/

08:50

so you figurted out british coin notations from "in this style" ?

08:51

stumbled across £sd notation a couple months ago

08:51

and today, stumbled across the mad hatter again

08:52

!up cazalla

08:52

mircea_popescu understand that this is akin to discovering jam is made from berries

08:52

ty nubbins` fucking power out and i'm too drunk/tired to ferry shit back and forth over usb

08:52

i'm floored here

08:52

anyway bbl COSTCO

08:54

is that where you get bulk corn sizzurp? (they got costco's here now)

08:54

in fact, they have a costco just a few streets away from here, not that i've been.. pay for membership? fuck that, costco drastically underestimates australian refusal to pay for membershits

08:55

the romanian bulk supplier (metro) just wants you to have a company.

08:55

bulk vanilla extract too

08:56

srsly, 1L for the same price as the little tiny bottles the groc store sells

08:56

no wait, wrong one. selgros.

08:56

cazalla if you shop at costco ~3-4 times in a year, you're ahead

08:56

nubbins`, doubt they sell what i buy

08:56

*

nubbins` shrugs

08:57

you don't buy food?

08:57

of course i do

08:57

cazalla it's improbable. generally wholesalers carry everything everyone else carries + more + they sell it cheaper + they deliver.

08:57

sure, if you don't mind eating shit shipped in from china

08:58

mno.

08:58

mm tasty bleached ass garlic, make it nice and white like snow white herself

08:58

well it's not for produce, yo.

08:58

then wtf would u buy from a place like costco?

09:00

well costco i never used, but in general cash & carry is where you buy a whole round cheese, that's actually grana padano etc.

09:00

costco actually sells top quality produce

09:00

i get my meet/veg/fruit from local who supposedly provides australian grown produce (i am not so naive to believe that some scheming fuckers didn't figure out they could import shit from china and just label it grown in australia but what can you do)

09:00

best meat shop in the city too

09:00

anyway bbl

09:01

cazalla ok, meat comes from butcher, produce from grocer. these you don't buy at the warehouse, as there's really no need to warehouse them. but what about everything else ?

09:01

for other speciality shit, i use farmhousedirect.com.au

09:01

the stuff that's usually called "colonials" ? the stuff that has to be impoirted 5000 miles away ?

09:01

like what? give an example

09:01

so they carry filippo berio olive oil ?

09:02

i use australian grown olive oil and macadamia oil

09:02

rio mare salmon paste ?

09:02

we got salmon growing down tasmania

09:02

L&P

09:02

farmed, but still

09:02

a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ?

09:03

got the wog deli en masse

09:03

height=288329 vs height=213141

09:03

cazalla well then you don't need it.

09:04

i can't imagine for a second that even if costco had this sorta food down under, that it would actually be cheaper or better quality

09:04

this is exactly the sort of doubt fit for an experiment.

09:04

i used your deli model in the us, and the cash & carry in ro. it all depends on the place really.

09:04

then they can pay me to experiement

09:05

the only people i see waddling into the costco here at fat asses

09:05

and they sure as fuck are not spending good money on good food

09:05

that's not a bad heuristic.

09:06

"shop for food where people who look like you want to look shop for food"

09:06

i show you last weeks order

09:06

and then you fkn tell me if u get this shit at costco

09:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.0003062 = 14.1158 BTC [+] {2}

09:07

cat's got a thread! http://41.media.tumblr.com/7fc849c6bbc1b7bac3f2c13871445b8e/tumblr_mmap4wrUGR1r2x6jpo1_1280.jpg

09:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1bjKk4M )

09:07

cazalla i have nfi what costco carries.

09:08

ever been to a costco MP?

09:08

maybe.

09:08

i dun actually recall.

09:08

that usually means yes in my experience

09:09

my missus tries the same shit.. oh i can't remember

09:09

hahah well its kaufland X3

09:09

pls suck my dick costco and get the fuck out of my country with your made in china shit http://imgur.com/GgNi88n,twFcl5s,ABxl80G,BAl6CMj,xl80E2E

09:09

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/199i7Mj )

09:10

chetty i imagine so.

09:10

cazalla omfg what is this, the sin of going into places ?

09:11

i don't recall if i ever had macadamia oil or not, either.

09:11

i guess i'll have to try this now.

09:11

it's good shit

09:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16941 @ 0.00030091 = 5.0977 BTC [-]

09:16

the nuts are very creamy, and the oil is great for frying anything that is crumbed, like chicken

09:18

i don't do so much frying myself.

09:21

fair enough, but i fry the fuck out of everything

09:22

well not reary but i am partial to crumbed chicken fried the fuck out

09:22

!up cazalla

09:32

!up bhcoins this is you? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794678.msg8948683#msg8948683

09:33

[CLOSED] bhCoins Serie 3 0.1 BTC denominated physical Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/199jI4K )

09:33

highway robbery I tell ya, spen 83 pesos at the grocery

09:34

most of my expenses are for food

09:36

"Why are the coins dated 2013 :/ because we designed and minted them last year, but we could assemble them last month.."

09:36

how do you assemble coins ?!

09:36

there's a newer model i just found, but w/e

09:39

"If you want to resell them, either include a hologram so that the buyer can generate a new private key or just don't assemble the coin." << what on earth is the point then?

09:39

anyway going to bed, but i request la serenissima bequeath me the state of Tasmania so as to use it to grow the best shit

09:41

enjoy c man

~ 18 minutes ~

09:59

!up Bagels7

10:01

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060168 <<< president is french. it's shit though. would probably even be legal in uslandia

10:01

Logged on 20-03-2015 13:02:49; mircea_popescu: a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ?

10:02

davout sorta minimum level of camembert i can live with.

10:02

fair enough

10:02

but im going to forcefeed you "industria argentina" camembert just to make this point.

10:03

tbh, what's the most important with camembert, is to not eat too early when it's not "made"

10:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122814 @ 0.00030152 = 37.0309 BTC [+] {2}

10:03

obviously it doesn't go in the fridge either

10:04

danielpbarron: do a public service and tell those people holos can be beaten

10:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98686 @ 0.00029524 = 29.1361 BTC [-] {2}

10:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00030622 = 4.9914 BTC [+]

10:08

it doesn't sound like anyone is using those things for more than a novelty; they aren't even funding the things for fear of depreciating value

10:09

meanwhile over at decadence camp, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhxrh6pprt1qbujxso1_1280.jpg

10:09

... ( http://bit.ly/199mZB0 )

10:09

davout also helps if it's not made out of tyres.

10:17

top o' the mornin' !

10:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00029327 = 22.2299 BTC [-] {2}

10:20

cazalla: not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole << being a tourist =! being a resident

10:21

despite the crazy minimum wage and resulting cost of food, australia is perfectly enjoyable place to visit for a few weeks.

10:22

beautiful architecture, wildlife galore

10:24

by the standards of la serenissima, most everywhere is full of stupidheads derping about with delusions of self-importance

10:24

australia isn't markedly worse than canada and in many ways preferable.

10:25

cazalla: your opa could've come here just as well and you wouldn't have been necessarily better off

10:26

yet by the measures of most of the world, this is still 'the land of milk and honey'

10:27

if one ends up here, today, wherever they're from was a successful stepping stone.

10:27

and couldn't have been otherwise.

10:34

http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/20/the-straw-that-broke-twitters-back/

10:34

The straw that broke Twitter’s back. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/199pdAs )

10:34

oh a pete_dushenski

10:35

*

thestringpuller refreshes contravex

10:35

heya dude

10:35

^tis right there for ya

10:35

me, saying sayonara to social media

10:36

*

kakobrekla just returned from his fiat bank - what a terrible experience.

10:36

kakobrekla: ikr!

10:36

went with a friend who wanted 6 months of statements from her pc

10:37

because of course, they weren't available online

10:37

!up FrankU

10:38

so at the branch, they charge her $xx and then tell her that the statements can't be printed out then and there and have to go to another city for review, then they'll be shipped to the branch, then she'll have to come back and pick them up

10:38

my jaw hit the floor.

10:38

this, for some simple bank statements

10:39

sounds about right.

10:39

scam.

10:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00030622 = 4.8521 BTC [+]

10:40

seriously, reminded me of the spa lady health club scam

10:40

dude, check it out, pete_dushenski was punished by the holy redditard empire for his murdersome streak.

10:40

either that or just got bored.

10:41

i like the sound of 'murderous streak'

10:41

*murdersome

10:41

pass some of dat murder

10:42

o hey nasdaq 5k. again.

10:43

"with stun guns on mounted on their heads"

10:44

ef.

10:45

fixed. ty!

10:45

S&P is quite high too...

10:45

time to meet teh parents http://40.media.tumblr.com/b3b451526b36c461256b93216a70a44b/tumblr_mhpfg9rNk21rln4dzo1_1280.jpg

10:45

... ( http://bit.ly/199q6ZP )

10:46

must be the cheap petrol.

10:50

http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150320130957

10:50

OpenSSH 6.8 Released ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdTkat )

10:51

Add FingerprintHash option to ssh(1) and sshd(8), and equivalent command-line flags to the other tools to control algorithm used for key fingerprints. The default changes from MD5 to SHA256 and format from hex to base64.

10:51

also fixed footnote ii in that last one. i'm asleep at the wheel here.

10:53

with you off twitter, that puts me in the #2 spot for WoT user with most followers?

10:54

behind... ?

10:54

!gettrust assbot copumpkin

10:54

Trust relationship from user assbot to user copumpkin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/copumpkin | http://w.b-a.link/user/copumpkin

10:54

"A bug bounty hunter, Laxman Muthiyah, discovered a critical flaw in the Facebook Photo Sync feature and Facebook API that could allow any third-party app to access your personal photos from the hidden Facebook Photo Sync album." << lel that sm.

10:55

ah https://twitter.com/copumpkin

10:55

Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM )

10:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00029928 = 16.0414 BTC [-]

10:55

danielpbarron: of the regulars though, you're #1 !

10:56

ah wait, ageis also has more :<

10:56

and jyap

10:56

quality, not quantity, is the name of the game.

10:56

remove thee from the bezzle-mindedness

10:57

what percentage of your followers are people you have never actually met in person?

10:57

is this some "irc != irl" thing?

10:57

who cares if i've met them?

10:57

have you met everyone on irc?

10:58

I was just curious?

10:58

no

10:58

i've met kyuupichan

10:58

that's it

10:59

my facebook is 100% people I know irl, my twitter is more like 5%

10:59

that is, he's the one guy in here that i didn't know outside of b-a and have met him in person

11:00

i think my twitter followers are higher quality than my facebook friends

11:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00028923 = 13.3335 BTC [-] {4}

11:01

this is real life. right in here.

11:01

this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person"

11:07

mod6

ya, irc has no substitutes

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43550 @ 0.000294 = 12.8037 BTC [+]

11:19

lol without IRC this would be a BBS (in som alternate reality)

11:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00029447 = 14.3407 BTC [+]

11:29

danielpbarron> this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" << well yeah but that's more a function of how boring most people are.

11:34

http://imgur.com/VB7m7nq << >:(

11:34

So, guys, how's the weather?

11:34

springy

11:38

bitstein: spring yesterday, snow dump today, cake tomorrow

11:39

pete_dushenski: birthday?

11:40

nah, soviet joke lol

11:40

cake is always tomorrow

11:40

the cake is a lie

11:41

nah, tomorrow is a lie

11:41

https://i.imgur.com/4tbzb7a.jpg

11:41

... ( http://bit.ly/1FKNzNU )

11:42

if only tomorrow could be today, then cake !

11:42

bitstein: ayup

~ 29 minutes ~

12:11

o/

12:11

mircea_popescu: http://www.romania-insider.com/mcoin/144725/ looks like you got cited :D

12:11

Romanian sells house for 55,000 Mcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExDTSJ )

12:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00030019 = 11.8125 BTC [+]

12:15

wtf is an Mcoi

12:15

*Mcoin

12:15

some MLM Ponzi scheme that has been hypeing in Romania lately

12:16

http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%C8%9Ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/

12:16

Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7h1A )

12:19

sorry davout, I changed the syntax on you

12:19

in teh logs

12:19

!up deedbot-

12:19

deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QD6MT5.txt

12:19

... ( http://bit.ly/19F7ody )

12:19

accepted: 1

12:19

donk

12:20

shall go out at the hour

12:33

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/nyregion/mark-strand-80-dies-pulitzer-winning-poet-laureate.html

12:33

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7Zfr )

12:36

mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? << tried geting rid of that colon by making the bot parse all messages for commands, not just highlights, and making deedbot- the command. didn't work, seems it should. I'm going to poke tenyks' author today to find out what's smart

12:36

Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual

12:37

punkman1: can I get "deedbot" from ya?

12:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00028838 = 12.1985 BTC [-] {2}

12:53

Bet placed: 9.36 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 113.22817126 BTC. Current weight: 87,607.

12:57

!up deedbot-

12:57

12:57

... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1LS7 )

12:57

imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF

12:57

mircea_popescu: ^

~ 19 minutes ~

13:16

davout: http://deedbot.org/348443-15Fjyuen5G7eic5JJfQJjj133kLtcbcxV1.txt

13:16

... ( http://bit.ly/19FapKR )

13:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92065 @ 0.00028819 = 26.5322 BTC [-]

13:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41698 @ 0.00028819 = 12.0169 BTC [-]

13:29

kakobrekla: that price! http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since_id=121698

13:29

... ( http://bit.ly/19Fb6Ec )

13:29

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf new PoC||GTFO

13:30

mike_c "type":"21"

13:30

oh. yeah.

13:30

odd that never broke my shit before.

13:31

anyways, thanks. my fault.

13:31

it was broken for a long time

13:32

recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line

13:33

it's odd, because i explictly skip anything not in [0, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]

13:33

or at least, it's supposed to.

13:33

dunno

13:33

dunno what? what the hell is wrong with my code??

13:34

mhm

13:43

;;calc 0.0028819 / (0.00000029 * 12)

13:43

828.132183908

13:43

;;calc 0.00028819 / (0.00000029 * 12)

13:43

82.8132183908

13:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 300 @ 0.00364196 = 1.0926 BTC [-] {6}

13:56

ramtin-amin.fr/#tristar looks like Apple Lightning has been broken

14:05

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coflynn/chipwhisperer-lite-a-new-era-of-hardware-security

14:05

ChipWhisperer-Lite: A New Era of Hardware Security Research by Colin O'Flynn — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEYXVi )

14:11

!up ascii_field

14:12

http://dpaste.com/2NEWGPY.txt << from mats's link (pure gold)

14:12

... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgPO )

14:12

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf << mega-talmud of lulz

14:12

... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgQ1 )

14:12

recommended to all

14:12

if you don't have a machine that can show 'pdf', find one just for this occasion.

14:13

mats: very neat.

14:15

http://dpaste.com/0QFRVZR << missed a page earlier

14:15

dpaste: 0QFRVZR: Cyber Criminal’s Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZman )

14:17

ehehe hilarious

14:17

hahahah someone was a zork fan;You happen to see a note on the ground, a splotchy Hilbert curve napkin sketch followed by a handwritten

14:17

table of hexadecimal numbers with uncertain names scrawled nearby.

14:17

Aha.

14:18

GO NORTH

14:18

lol

14:19

the "print instructions" assume you're on a debian variant (most likely for ubuntu users)

14:20

only in that 'apt-get'

14:20

i guess if you're not on something debian you probably know how to convert that string into something useable

14:20

i normally just read that as a shorthand for 'install on your box...'

14:21

ubuntu user would be like "wtf is emerge ??"

14:22

pacman -S

14:26

'He passed away in 2008, a paragon of sticking to just the prescribed amount of murderous blood-thirstiness at any given time, a true knight of the Party Line -- and, if there is ever a Hell, doubtlessly sticking Hell's engineers with the problem of how to reward such a sterling life achievement of toeing it ever so precisely. There are many shitty jobs in this world and the one beyond, but, believe in Hell or not, that

14:26

one takes the cake.'

14:26

*

ascii_field picks self up off the floor

14:27

that thing contains the single best 'lysenko for dummiez' i've ever seen in english

14:27

mircea_popescu ^ consider for use on n00bz

14:28

*

ascii_field as an amateur scholar of crackpottery and malignant pseudoscience, owns the complete works of mr lysenko

14:30

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo << 0-7

14:30

... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZVRs )

14:33

ascii_field: a quick google suggest this guy was off his rocker

14:33

trinque: not any more so than, say, a pope.

14:33

heh

14:34

the guy got dissent against lamarckism outlawed?

14:35

aha.

14:35

that's how you secure your legacy right there

14:49

!up ascii_field

14:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53796 @ 0.0002863 = 15.4018 BTC [-] {2}

14:49

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf << p. 27 mega-l0l, demonstration of RDRAND-as-hypothetical-backdoor on x86

14:49

... ( http://bit.ly/1BF0I4U )

14:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28978 @ 0.00028439 = 8.2411 BTC [-] {2}

14:59

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo04.pdf << p. 22: 'Lenticrypt: a Provably Plausibly Deniable Cryptosystem; or, This Picture of Cats is Also a Picture of Dogs'

14:59

... ( http://bit.ly/1OeKycz )

14:59

*

ascii_field has not yet read it but, the title alone, l0l

15:02

My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS: http://blog.btcjam.com/2015/03/19/btcjam-introduces-risk-based-pricing-interest-rates-set-automatically-by-credit-score/ ?

15:02

BTCJam Introduces Risk Based Pricing (Interest Rates Set Automatically by Credit Score) | BTCJam Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeLayK )

15:02

I'm crying here. :'( The simply just killed the BTCJam.

15:02

&They

15:02

Error: "They" is not a valid command.

15:02

*They

15:03

Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam.

15:04

felipelalli> My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS << ya they sent me an email for some reason

15:05

to be fair, things like btcjam are already dead; this is more like shooting the zombie in the head so that it stops trying to feast on brains

15:08

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << article on pg. 5 about 'fits in head' - pure gold

15:09

... ( http://bit.ly/1OeMIZG )

15:09

('greybeard's luck')

15:11

danielpbarron: :'(

15:11

but really

15:11

I'm so sad and so so so so fucking crazy with this.

15:11

R.I.P. BTCJam. It was a nice service!!

15:11

wait.. you were serious?

15:12

why not?

15:12

did you lend on it or borrow?

15:12

both

15:12

*

danielpbarron slaps felipelalli around a bit with a large default

15:12

why do you think services like BTCJam are already dead?

15:12

They are getting worse, but dead just with this decision.

15:13

they aren't in the WoT

15:13

At least you can associate OTC in that.

15:13

I know their reputation system is a crap.

15:13

But it is a nice and useful service.

15:14

The ugly true is that we have no options.

15:14

That's why it is good. Because we don't have better options.

15:14

but you .. do!

15:14

in here

15:14

But now I have ZERO option.

15:14

that's because you had ZERO ideas worth investing in

15:15

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << pg. 18: demonstration that intel -could- have diddled RDRAND instruction in such a way as to undetectably manipulate linux rng in spite of xor lemma

15:15

... ( http://bit.ly/1OeO3iV )

15:16

ascii_field: is it possible to use random data from multiple sources that are diddled, but by different manufacturers, and get usable random data?

15:16

trinque: read the linked piece

15:16

k

15:16

danielpbarron: I'm sad. They killed a service that I was using for years. It isn't that good, but...

15:17

trinque: spoiler: recall that the XORing also happens on same cpu

15:17

and people were using piratat40's "service" for a while too

15:17

and therefore manipulable.

15:17

see also last week's thread re: specificity of diddlage

15:17

danielpbarron: but do you think BTCJam was a crap from the start to end?

15:17

yes

15:17

danielpbarron: how do you lend money?

15:18

or borrow?

15:18

*

ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper

15:18

as it comes out, even

15:18

i don't except with very close associates and even then i'd really rather not

15:18

danielpbarron: so, you are not the target, that's why you are not worried.

15:18

;;later tell nubbins` ^ job opportunity

15:18

The operation succeeded.

15:19

felipelalli, get more WoT connections in here and maybe you can borrow money

15:19

why would anyone want to borrow btc ?

15:20

that's what I'd like to know

15:20

if you can reliably turn x btc into kx for some nonzero positive k,

15:20

i know a guy (Birdman) who borrows it to play poker

15:20

!up ascii_field

15:20

then you don't need to borrow, just start with epsilon

15:20

and end up with as many as you want

15:20

well he always loses it

15:20

that's why he always needs to borrow it again

15:20

that's uh, not borrowing

15:21

and someone, knowing this, wants to lend ?

15:21

danielpbarron ascii_field many reasons, like arbitrage for example. But you can borrow linked to USD or BRL.

15:21

felipelalli, like what ascii said, if that were profitable you should already have a stash with which to work

15:22

that what exactly? Borrow?

15:23

felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially

15:23

if you have some arbitrage opportunity, and it's worked in the past, you should have bitcoin from last time to make it work again this time.. so why the need to borrow?

15:23

as many as you like

15:23

danielpbarron: but and in the first time?

15:23

well you seem to be well past a first time.?

15:24

and yeah, go borrow fiat, buy bitcoin, make money, sell some bitcoin, repay loan

15:24

borrow fiat where?

15:24

in the bank?

15:24

idk, i have credit cards

15:24

felipelalli: friendly local mafia

15:24

every week i'm getting new offers

15:25

i have a stack of those prepaid return envelopes

15:25

:D

15:25

Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate.

15:26

Yes, I store my bitcoin in a coordinate.

15:26

it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives

15:26

danielpbarron: it is linked with USD :)

15:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26869 @ 0.00028369 = 7.6225 BTC [-]

15:26

i really doubt your secret mountain wallet is as secure as you imagine

15:26

the bitcoin is just the mean.

15:26

danielpbarron: well, I have some backups.

15:26

danielpbarron: but I am a geocaching player and yes, it is very secure.

15:27

i don't doubt your physical hiding abilities

15:28

rofl

15:28

i doubt 1) your entropy generating abilities 2) your not telling a secret when a hot iron is inserted into your body abilities

15:28

danielpbarron: I have to go now! :) I'll write an article about this bad move of BTCJam soon. Thank you.

15:29

danielpbarron: 1) well, you will never know. 2) don't put all your eggs in the same basket.

15:31

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo02.pdf << p. 3 article, 'on importance of tools' << pure gold

15:31

... ( http://bit.ly/1OeS0o0 )

15:33

oh btw i got my ADA reference manual; things quite nice. it's from a public library and it looks as though nobody ever checked it out

15:34

someone pointed out to me that if i wasn't already a terrorist suspect, buying the reference manual to the language for airplanes isn't going to help that image

15:34

!up Bagels7

15:34

danielpbarron: order a nodejs book and throw them off

15:35

order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list

15:36

well, that wasn't the right keybinding

15:39

ascii_field: lies, there is no whitelist

15:39

brownlist

15:39

I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC

15:40

as much as that would make one the star of one's own action movie

15:40

with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment

15:41

<trinque> I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC//yet

15:44

chetty: maybe, years can make the inconceivable inevitable

15:45

seems like you have to go directly after them pretty hard before they kill you

15:45

not... buy an ada book

15:46

michael hastings had what seems to me a long life by most measures of govt oppression

15:46

the 'honest man hanged by six words he wrote' is not hanged 1/6th of the way by each

15:47

but trinque's observation brings to mind one of mine

15:47

ascii_field: well I think I'm echoing a sentiment I've heard from you; I wont be grabbing my rifle any time soon

15:47

just waiting

15:47

and educating myself

15:47

every day when i wake up still alive, i know that i have not yet achieved anything.

15:47

hah! that's about right

15:48

eh s.nsa is still young

15:49

!up mariorz

15:49

s.nsa has grandiose achievements (planned)

15:50

!up yrashk

15:50

they'd make for shiny eulogy

15:50

!up ascii_field

15:52

btw i don't get how would such data mining work.. someone would have to collect all the information first

15:53

and more importantly, before or after collection, query for certain books and irc channels

15:53

jurov: no, this is the naive picture

15:54

the way it works, when it works, is that moles actually take the trouble to read (or even provocateur...) in the forum

15:54

(whichever forum)

15:54

and slowly, meticulously form a picture of who gets the red carpet to the gasenwagen and when

15:56

i can see that, except for slowness or even meticulousness

15:56

mp whining in 2012 that there's no rifled bullets. commenter fixing it, today : http://trilema.com/2012/o-idee-practica/#comment-113197

15:56

O idee practica ✭ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeWFpU )

15:56

amd hi all!

15:57

hello

15:57

mircea_popescu: rifled projectiles for smoothbore barrels are sold in every hunting shop in usa

15:57

yeah well...

15:58

romanian ok ? easier audience.

15:58

jurov: normally you can tell who are the 'basic' shills by noting their assumptions (of their marks being dumb as shit) - see, e.g., mr moarspam: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014388

15:58

Logged on 10-02-2015 03:30:16; asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur'

15:59

course that may just select for dumb willful people.

16:00

zap the predators, zap their prey - we don't need either for anything

16:00

mmm

16:00

their prey is usually someone's mom.

16:00

take BingoBoingo's earlier drunken rageorgy.

16:00

not speaking of generic sp4mz0rz here

16:00

but of provocateurs

16:01

not sure that resolves it.

16:01

like the one in linked thread

16:02

naphex ahahaha romania-insider, you should see that thing o gawd.

16:02

best english is lulzy english.

16:02

ascii_field aite working my way there,

16:03

Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/

16:03

anybody know punkman's status? wanted to get the bot squared away with a proper nick, then get that autovoiced

16:03

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060348 << sweet.

16:03

Logged on 20-03-2015 16:57:04; trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt

16:03

if I can't get deedbot, I'll just do it with the dash

16:04

;;seen punkman1

16:04

punkman1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <punkman1> command line deed grabber: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoinyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum

16:04

;;seen punkman

16:04

punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 11 hours, 58 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <punkman> https://twitter.com/neweraesthetics/status/574869026817601536

16:04

punkman yo

16:04

hm.

16:04

!up Mrstickball

16:05

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060364 << lol win

16:05

Logged on 20-03-2015 17:32:01; kakobrekla: recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line

16:08

felipelalli: My dear gang noise, << new one.

16:08

anyway, is btcjam just about cooked up enough to go belly up or does it still have thread to survive this year ?

16:09

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060428 << i dunno that anyone ever took them seriously.

16:09

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:03:25; felipelalli: Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam.

16:10

I was searching the logs and couldn't find a way to sort by date ascending. Tried setting the start parameter to a value close to the total number of results, but it won't take values greater than 5000. :( Is there a way to do it?

16:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060448 o.O. See http://trilema.com/2015/btcjam-what-starts-as-a-scam-stays-a-scam/ ? or maybe https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-btcjam-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending.67541/page-21#post-1330880 ?

16:10

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:13:49; felipelalli: But it is a nice and useful service.

16:10

BTCJam : What starts as a scam stays a scam pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAelGZ )

16:11

but anyway.

16:11

brendafdez i thought search automatically sorts by time, descending ?

16:11

brendafdez, beginning of public log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1

16:11

Logged on 26-04-2013 00:01:30; pgp3: just looked at chart... shit... a couple hours can be an eternity in bitcoin land...

16:12

Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.

16:12

I was trying to see the first messages in the chan by each user. If a user has say 50000 messages, I can't find a way to see the pages with the earliest 45000.

16:12

oh.

16:13

yeah i think you found a problem that can't actually be resolved with currently available tools.

16:13

that's a feature! nobody wants their first words to be seen again :p

16:13

lol.

16:13

ok :P then it'll have to be done the hard way ;)

16:13

it is sort-of a feature, you only get to see the noobish beginnings of people newer than you.

16:14

meanwhile http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from:brendafdez&start=180

16:14

184 results for 'from:brendafdez' - #bitcoin-assets search

16:14

works only bc I have less than 5000

16:14

a

16:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060482 << well yes but maybe it's a one shot thing.

16:15

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:20:31; ascii_field: and end up with as many as you want

16:16

*

trinque reads davout's latest deed.... gpg on win 3.1??

16:17

seems I'd sooner airgap a bsd or something, but if it works it works

16:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86800 @ 0.00028414 = 24.6634 BTC [+] {4}

16:18

is there some ancient processor which has an rng that works?

16:20

!up punkman1

16:21

deedbot- or notary? punkman1 has notary grouped atm

16:21

!up ascii_field

16:21

mircea_popescu: ^

16:22

eh it's already deedbot lots of places, probably best with the current nick

16:22

punkman1: lose your primary nick?

16:22

punkman

nope

16:22

trinque: rng in ic is a dead concept right off the bat

16:23

punkman

trinque, I think Ragnar had "deedbot" account, you can ask him

16:24

RagnarDanneskjol: ^ lemme know if you'd like the current deedbot to use that nick

16:27

punkman

http://xm42.com/

16:27

XM42™ | The Ion Productions Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmQnzv )

16:29

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060490 << no, not for him, and not for most of the third world.

16:29

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:23:04; ascii_field: felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially

16:29

if you imagine random guy in this world can borrow for any purpose you're nuts. all banks lend to nat'l government and us government only.

16:30

mircea_popescu: speaking from the chumpatronic jail here, just about any schmuck can get at least 5 digits of loansharkamatic without breaking a sweat

16:30

(at extortionate interest, but that's a separate question)

16:30

sure, but uniquely usian phenomenon.

16:30

AND this is for the great benefit of everyone else, because nobody is as poor as usians.

16:30

just, you know, everyone thinks they're speshul. but if i were a natl bank governor i wouldn't allow the derps to borrow either.

16:31

it is used as the real primary taxation mechanism

16:31

"get an education get a house get insurance get a wife" etc. sure.

16:31

but still.

16:31

schmuck wants to live in a house, owes $maxint, pays interest until dies

16:31

i think bynow college > housing, but yeah, same idea.

16:32

nobody under 30 expects to own a house anymore

16:32

that's cool, because nobody over 30 owns one, either.

16:32

rent forever, never pay off student debt

16:32

expectations coming to allign with reality is a measure of emerging sanity

16:32

of course, property taxes underneath all the other "it's not really yours"

16:33

or forfeiture

16:33

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Adlai wouldn't be surprised if not only http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039710 but also it contains a few houses too

16:33

Logged on 03-03-2015 09:14:51; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves.

16:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060503 << and here we go. nothing to do with money everything to do with household cashflow

16:33

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:25:24; felipelalli: Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate.

16:33

though the wot isn't exactly your average "nobody over 30"

16:33

I got paid to go to college and still left

16:34

i have a fairly solid expectation of starving eventually

16:34

so gotta disagree

16:34

(somehow didn't notice that thread..)

16:34

ascii_field i had an article about how all us citizens should have a solid expectation of being homeless eventually

16:34

it's just what the numbers say

16:35

(% of homeless people, life expectancy of homeless people, life expectancy of general population, -> over 50% or some shit)

16:35

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060505 << you familiar with the experience of that one guy who borrowed in 2011ish toi make a point, was still paying on it by 2013 ?

16:35

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:26:02; danielpbarron: it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives

16:36

mircea_popescu: how's that work, you're saying homeless people have longer life expectancy?

16:36

much shorter.

16:36

probably; i've read the horror stories on the forum

16:36

then why would most people have an expectation of being homeless eventually!?

16:37

or is the theory that homelessness is a stage just before death

16:37

think of it in terms of particles : if muons live a second and meons an hour, and at all times 10% of particle population is muons, then what changes does a meon to turn into a muon during its lifetime ?

16:37

Adlai: in usa, if your income nulls out you turn into a bum generally within one business quarter

16:37

mircea_popescu: hm is this where the declining soviet population went? a different x% croaking on the street per year?

16:37

ascii_field: ^

16:37

pretty much.

16:37

s/changes/chances/

16:38

felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published.

16:39

"all the other rags" is the proper venue for that sorta nonsense.

16:39

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060523 << this lol

16:39

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:35:24; ascii_field: order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list

16:40

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060529 << this actually hapepned ?

16:40

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:40:39; ascii_field: with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment

16:40

first one that comes to mind is giordanno bruno

16:40

according to the mythology taught in US public school, ya

16:40

but yes, complicated (TM)

16:41

last one not first one.

16:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.0002872 = 12.9384 BTC [+]

16:41

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060549 << someone's not been paying attention TO ALL THE ALLCAPS DEPRAGE. TEMPEST. WHOREFEST. MUCUS. ANTIETAM. ETCISAWORD.

16:41

Logged on 20-03-2015 19:53:04; jurov: and more importantly, before or after collection, query for certain books and irc channels

16:42

trinque hastings was born before me wtf. this is a long life now ?

16:42

s/before/after.

16:43

mircea_popescu: when imagining overt dictatorship I'd think so

16:43

i don't think any human population can be stable with lifetimes averages < 30.

16:43

the population simply collapses at that point. think cockroaches.

16:43

re: starving: at any rate, starvation is also what they do to 'problematic' folks in usa instead of shooting, typically

16:43

blackballing - traditional

16:43

oh we're fucked; I just don't expect that the men in black are coming for me because I said I like bitcoin

16:43

ascii_field problem is we're rich. this can no longer work for bitcoin.

16:44

mircea_popescu is rich

16:44

*

ascii_field is not remotely confusable for rich

16:44

the plan is of course to use it extensively on anyone related to usg, starting with the press, starting with idiot whores a la leah goodman and idiot venues a la newsweek

16:44

but it onl;y works that way

16:45

ascii_field not you and me per se. bitcoin, itself, going for 10bn dollah nao.

16:45

too far.

16:45

ascii_field's comment about having accomplished something put it better than I did

16:45

'you'n me will burn in this here tank, but red army triumphs' (tm) /

16:45

?

16:46

you were discussing economic warfare omg.

16:46

"you and i might not care or know, but someone in the capitalist club is financing the new lightbulb"

16:48

and the discussion of how this works - already, for that matter - is right above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060676

16:48

Logged on 20-03-2015 20:38:54; mircea_popescu: felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published.

16:49

one day newsweek will need to borrow and find itself unable to.

16:49

and some other day, usg.

16:49

as you say, it's called blackballing.

16:50

yeah, but right now the who-whom is pointed the other way.

16:50

nope

16:50

it only works one way.

16:50

modern weapons yo. they only work in the hands of the proper people.

16:51

rly. so mykotronx is holding bake sales to build nsa crypto garbage, and s.nsa is baking diamond ternary ram ?

16:51

nope.

16:51

mircea_popescu: I understand. Thank you.

16:51

but there's nothing anyone can do to prevent s.nsa from baking what it bakes

16:51

whereas mykotronx can stop tomorrow, and that tomorrow is coming.

16:51

!up ascii_field

16:51

'It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber.' (some american derpmeister in the '60s)

16:52

ascii_field compare, for it is informative, cisco's experience with bitbet's experience.

16:52

cisco was caught working with usg, lost 90% of sales in onequarter.

16:52

derp fucked up on bitbet, it turns out bitbet is not a consumer venue, sales doubled that quarter.

16:52

then we find out that it doesn't actually need sales for anything

16:52

this is what it is, and the most important dynamic since combustion engine.

16:52

of course it does.

16:53

it gets to carry on derping by order of the tsar-god

16:53

not in any sense useful, that.

16:53

tsar god can't declare things into existence

16:53

imagine your daughter fails exams, now can't go to school. so what, you make her a mini university out of cardboard, and while the other girls to go school

16:53

*

ascii_field recalls learning with alarm as a little boy that there was ever such a thing as a reichsmark. 'couldn't hitler simply order shit done?'

16:53

she derps with puppets in the foot tall "campus" ?

16:54

lol i live in that campus.

16:54

lol

16:54

anyway, i gtg, we shall continue this argument tomorrow

16:54

and day after,

16:54

and all days until the one day, because it seems our fate :D

16:54

lulzatronix.

17:05

*:ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper <<< judging by the second-page notes, you can

17:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00028308 = 6.1145 BTC [-]

17:10

mircea_popescu: Where can I find objective arguments against BTCJam? As a lending service and reputation system? And what are the alternatives for P2P lending or we don't have? They have 113,000 users, should they be ignored?

17:11

oh speaking of things nubbins` can print; how about an official Qntra business card?

17:11

felipelalli, the alternative is right in here

17:11

danielpbarron no doubt

17:11

silkscreened business cards are ++

17:12

well i don't necessarily want to design one, but if that sounds like something the other qntra writers would want, I'd like a stack of them with my name on it if that's ok

17:12

felipelalli how many users does windows xp have?

17:12

should they be ignored? 8)

17:13

danielpbarron if you guys figure somethin out between yourselves, i can print a batch all at once to save on setup

17:14

that's what i mean :D

17:14

we print them something like 36-up, so you could have w/e number of designs/names/etc you wanted

17:15

"Th is i s how t o c o n v e r t an i s s u e f o r d u pl e x p r i n t i n g ."

17:15

right on

17:16

asciilifeform these things look great

17:23

!up ascii_field

17:25

nubbins`: in other words, should they be ignored? :)

17:25

danielpbarron: Thank you! Next time I'll try it! :)

17:25

felipelalli you tell me 8)

17:25

point being that yes, many people can be wrong

17:25

asciilifeform you'd be looking at around $10-15 for a softcover / staple-bound issue of this sent to your door

17:26

depending on page count

17:26

nubbins`: but I would like to collect the cons arguments. I was using the service for a while and it was nice, except the reputation system. But yes, without a good reputation system, it is worthless. :/

17:27

sounds like "it is worthless" is a pretty big con.

17:27

nubbins`: which 'this'

17:27

nubbins`: the whole set ?

17:27

nubbins`: :) huge.

17:27

sorry, just grabbed a random issue

17:27

let me get a full page count here

17:27

issue 6 recommends printing it on ledger

17:29

I said to BTCJam CEO: "mircea said BTCJam is not even a service" he said "who is this?" and then tried to convince me "other people disagree with him"

17:32

I was trying to convince him that don't let the users choose the interest rate is not a good idea.

17:33

well it's an obvious path for them to take considering the thing is a scam attractor

17:34

ascii_field say around a hundred bucks for issues 00-07, 8.5x11" footprint, staple-bound

17:34

staple bound ?

17:34

as in, iron staples ?

17:34

I have the most intense hangover

17:34

i'd have to check the type of metal

17:35

ugh

17:35

not booklike at all

17:35

almost certainly steel

17:35

hey, i can hand-sew, but you're not gonna like the price

17:35

he said they have a "learning machine" to determine the correct interest rate, but it is a joke don't let the free market decide its own rates.

17:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00028308 = 12.2574 BTC [-]

17:36

once you start sewing bindings, you commit to labour-intensive cover attachment

17:37

ah

17:37

it was worth a shot. thx for the phree quote, nubbins`

17:37

but i can laser print and perforate as well as the next guy.

17:37

nod

17:38

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950

17:38

Gmane -- Re: stable Linux 2.6.25.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Lp8K )

17:38

point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.

17:38

it's only around $30 of materials

17:39

Security people are often the black-and-white kind of people that I can't stand. I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.

17:39

truthfully it's the fact that all the setup work is being done for a single book

17:39

if you wanted, say, even a half-dozen copies, different story

17:39

nubbins`: yes, like circuit boards

17:40

nubbins`: i routinely use 'print on demand' houses when i feel like getting xxxx in dead tree, but the result is invariably just a little better than what i can do at home

17:40

not one can do 'lay flat' cover, for instance

17:40

(other than with perforator and spiral binding)

17:40

i might buy one if there are enough people in the pool

17:41

you'd be surprised how tricky it is!

17:41

*

ascii_field has bound books by hand and is not even slightly surprised

17:41

heh. well, there y'go.

17:41

but fact remains, there is no automagickal machine for it

17:41

let me find some drool shots

17:41

like there is for the crappy bindings

17:42

danielpbarron: linus is wrong, but very few people seem to grasp the reason why

17:43

http://imgur.com/2C4E5GP,20B9ktJ,SEDrede,EPI6Pww,pxZ4arA

17:43

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXV9C1 )

17:43

!s malice incompetence

17:43

21 results for 'malice incompetence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malice+incompetence

17:43

5th image shows the kind of corners a thousand-dollar book plough makes.

17:43

did that 0.5.3 source ever become a book? maybe put that on the list of things I'd buy if enough people in pool

17:44

danielpbarron: it did not

17:44

danielpbarron it was shelved at the time

17:44

danielpbarron: because i'm not interested in reading crud

17:44

basically anything ascii wants in book form, I would probably also want

17:44

until such point is reached that the code is worthy of bookifying

17:44

remember, b00kz only work if you... read'em

17:44

nobody wants to pay me to typeset a piece of shit for 20 hours 8)

17:45

nubbins`: what is a book plough ?

17:45

cutting press ?

17:45

S.BOOK needs to be a thing maybe

17:45

cutting press sounds like a fair synonym

17:45

http://www.louet.nl/en/bookbinding-vertical-plough

17:45

Louët :: Vertical Plough ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Mpd5 )

17:45

BingoBoingo, how much piss did you sink last night?

17:45

you can find youtube vidyas of same

17:45

most folks source, rather than sink, piss

17:46

nubbins`: betcha a laser would work

17:46

mayhap. but it'd singe the pages?

17:46

the edges this plough makes are as smooth as fucking /glass/.

17:46

ascii_field, we do things different down under :)

17:47

nubbins`: surprisingly little burn if cut correctly

17:47

wild

17:47

but yes, they'll turn black

17:47

http://www.talasonline.com/

17:47

Talas || Professional Archival, Bookbinding, Conservation and Restoration Supplies ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXW0CQ )

17:47

^ source of all things bookish

17:47

their print catalog is a particular joy

17:48

bookbinding is rather like music in a sense

17:48

harkens back to the first time i rcv'd a mouser catalog

17:48

oh, it's 100% an art

17:48

you can't teach it

17:48

...or maybe i just can't be taught it 8)

17:48

in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba

17:48

hahah.

17:48

hey, if it gets the job done.

17:49

although TBF an old-timey bookbinding setup is still an incredibly efficient way to work

17:50

cazalla: Half of a handle

17:50

i've done staple-binding, perfect binding, kettle stitch binding... eventually i'm gonna have to order some board and cloth

17:51

at which point things will come full-circle and i'll be silkscreening fabric for the covers of silkscreened books

17:51

reference bitcoin - board & leather.

17:51

what's that.. a bit over 700ml.. damn that's a good effort BingoBoingo

17:51

Yeah, got myself good and pickled

17:52

ascii_field there's a woman in town who's been binding for years, has an ancient letterpress setup. i'd say she'd at least know where to point me for leather work

17:53

you opposed to sealskin?

17:54

!up ascii_field

17:54

sealskin works

17:54

fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it

17:55

needs a good dropcap, style of http://croquersamuse.voila.net/images/Web%20DSCN4701.jpg

17:55

... ( http://bit.ly/1x9NLEG )

17:55

seals are uh, "special" mammalia. they're cute enough that their harvesting produces outrage

17:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108500 @ 0.0002829 = 30.6947 BTC [-] {2}

17:56

Adlai religious texts are ++++ for those

17:56

is bitcoin deserving of 'religion' status?

17:56

being in the wot qualifies you for overseeing marriage in 2020 england, kind of stuff

17:56

http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3238352932884994@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum

17:56

Re: Common Lisp vs Scheme - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9NSjK )

17:56

(last paragraph)

17:57

nubbins`> fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it << so.. win win :D

17:58

http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237396100556424@naggum.no.html

17:58

Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXXJIn )

17:59

' I went to my local bookstore the other day. I wanted to give a beautifully bound Bible to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of The Lord of the Rings, Atlas

17:59

Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy, The Chicago Manual of Style, and the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of them arguing that if I wanted the most important book, I would want their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back to the bookstore and the very helpful young Muslim woman behind the counter

17:59

went to find a soft-leather-bound Bible with gold edges on the India paper, just like I had wanted and asked for, without unwelcome suggestions or anyone pretending to know better than me. It was so respectful I almost got religion, myself. '

18:02

*

danielpbarron has a stack of Bibles

18:02

danielpbarron: varying translations or just bindings ?

18:02

one of the best places to get like-new Bibles is a used book store

18:02

bindings mostly

18:03

although i have a spanish one

18:03

but mostly KJV

18:03

i'd like more NKJV but they just aren't as widly produced

18:03

friend of mine has a ton of bibles

18:03

he's got one that's a reproduction of the 1st-edition gutenberg bible

18:03

actually maybe nubbins` can help me there; I have this really nice pocket Bible with a zipper and real leather, but it's KJV and i'd like it in NKJV

18:03

SO MANY HUGE FUCK-UPS

18:04

probably way out of my price range though

18:05

they don't sell nkjv bibles w/ zippers and leather?

18:05

http://g.christianbook.com/dg/product/cbd/f400/146074.jpg << i think it's this one

18:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1BXYG3g )

18:05

nope

18:05

not as small as that ^ one

18:06

that also has the "references" B.S. which I don't need -- I'd rather have the NKJV alternate transation footnotes

18:08

better ask News Corp, i guess

18:08

http://viewer.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/icv/page.php?book=arch._b_b.11&page=409

18:08

Arch. B b.11 - pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXZ9lZ )

18:08

^ check out the missing paragraph break, top right

18:10

i don't understand what i'm looking at

18:10

http://bav.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/field/image/gutenberg_203r_0.png

18:10

... ( http://bit.ly/1x9PRo6 )

18:10

that's what a paragraph break looks like

18:11

the red and blue ink were added afterward, by hand, and the printer left a blank space for them

18:11

nicer embellishments by the rubricators meant a higher selling price

18:11

in the previous example, no such space was left for the number and the painted letter

18:11

so various solutions were used for various copies

18:12

that one's a particularly uh, embellished example

18:14

"The "great majority of incunables did not issue from the press in a finished state ... hardly any incunable was considered 'finished' by its printer ...", suggesting that hand rubrication provided a sense of legitimacy to the efforts of early printers and their works."

18:14

i don't need fancy thingys; just the whole NKJV text pocket sized with a zipper so the pages don't get messed up when i travel with it but w/e my KJV works well enough

18:16

btw, i was always curious what is one supposed to do with the bible all the time?

18:16

i was like okay, read it like any other book

18:17

sometimes in arguments people are like "oh yeah where does it say that!?"

18:17

jurov i think it's used more as a reference manual than a novel

18:17

... and there's also bibliomancy.

18:17

danielpbarron why not just get a similarly-sized NKJV and swap it out?

18:17

i'm not sure one even exists

18:18

i ordered what was described as "pocket sized" and it turned out to be much larger

18:18

http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Bible-NKJV-Black-Closing/dp/0840784465

18:18

The Smallest Bible (NKJV, Black, Snap Flap Closing): Thomas Nelson: 9780840784469: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9QMF9 )

18:18

from experience i surmised it's used to find accurate projection for inner turmoil

18:18

yeah i've seen that one

18:19

not quite a zipper

18:19

scratch that accurate. any projection.

18:20

jurov what else ya gonna do w/ turmoil

18:21

nubbins`: esoteric/new age stuff is more soothing

18:21

enya doesn't have any answers

18:22

i did not say anything about answers

18:23

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18:24

they can be had by observation, not by projection anyway

18:24

!up ascii_field

18:24

*

nubbins` slow claps

18:26

next you'll tell me that taking anti-anxiety meds won't help resolve deeply-rooted personal issues 8)

18:26

no, obv only bible can do it

18:26

^ ++

18:27

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a4658f4eccc8a8e6338a8711c0291706/tumblr_mmbfq0apsW1r92643o1_500.jpg

18:27

... ( http://bit.ly/1BY28Ln )

18:28

that is *not* how you make a secret compartment in a book.

18:30

nubbins`: along spine?

18:30

wasn't a proposal though :p

18:32

you're supposed to soak the entire book block in water+glue, then press it til it's dried, then cut the hole out

18:32

ah, makes sense

18:33

https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5215851/il_570xN.181912317.jpg

18:33

... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SC8S )

18:33

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150320/archer-heights/150-firefighters-battle-extra-alarm-fire-archer-heights-thursday

18:33

Huge Fire Breaks Out at Fire Extinguisher Factory in Archer Heights - Archer Heights - DNAinfo.com Chicago ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SExv )

18:33

or even better, http://www.instash.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hollow-Book-Safe-With-Flask.jpg

18:33

... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SCWr )

18:34

!up brendafdez

18:35

!up brendafdez

18:35

brendafdez: might want to make sure your client auths before join

18:35

dunno if ddos is a problem anymore, but it has happened

18:37

trinque yes i never bothered to configure it properly

18:37

it still is, at least as of last week i got ddosed when entering the chan

18:37

bothering has its benefits

18:37

indeed

18:38

!up mollison

18:42

man, this Roko's Basilisk is some straight-up bughouse stuff

18:44

nubbins`: ever read I have no Mouth and I Must Scream?

18:44

kind of reminds me of the AI in that

18:44

nope

18:44

i'll check it out

18:44

good story, not directly related

18:46

this idea that an exact duplicate of me *is* me seems absurd on its face

18:46

part of the basilisk thing

18:46

so you've got two hammers, and they're identical to the atom

18:47

their position is irrelevant to the question?

18:47

brendafdez: what time is it in argentina rite meow

18:48

"Per Yudkowsky's conception of continuity of identity, copies of you in these branches should be considered to exist (and be you) — even though you cannot interact with them."

18:48

that sentence is so fucked

18:48

you cannot interact with you

18:48

but you are you

18:48

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18:49

I took a look at less wrong a while ago, and decided I could find an easier fetish

18:49

it's like saying that in The Prestige, whatsisname is a mass-murderer... he's not, he just fork()s

18:49

utc -3 1949

18:50

Adlai: so? I'm experiencing subjectivity, whatever the fuck that is, *here* and definitely not *there*

18:50

that there are an infinite number of copies of me with the same arrangement of atoms does not change that fact

18:50

^

18:50

and that thing is what I identify with, that my experience of being is right fucking here

18:51

someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar

18:51

heh

18:51

http://i.imgur.com/HAQJsaQ.jpg

18:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Vi6q )

18:53

lel

18:53

the word you're looking for, trinque, is soul

18:53

danielpbarron: one way of putting it

18:53

and I think a better way than not considering it at all

18:55

danielpbarron: seems so many people try to argue themselves out of the obvious fact of their own being

18:55

dunno if I put that clearly at all

18:56

there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea

18:56

right

18:56

so if I change my thoughts about myself, I change?

18:56

no.

18:56

you would necessarily die if chopped up into bits and uploaded

18:56

the thing on the other side would think it is you, but it wouldn't be you

18:57

it is hard for me to draw conclusions about that scenario because uploaded is not at all defined

18:57

but yeah, I am *here*, *this*, and *now*

18:57

and no other imagined thing

18:57

and only to myself, I can't disclose that thing to anyone else

18:57

or to the religious, "himself before god" or something

18:58

it's another tower of babel for man to think he can write a program to simulate his own brain better than it already is

18:58

hubris for sure

18:58

I like asciilifeform's mind amplifier concept

18:59

telescopes and so on, not some new created "being"

18:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltY41KxzXY << LOL

18:59

OpenBSD: most secure OS in the planet, the movie! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9WjLO )

19:00

peaches oh my lol

19:03

trinque: right. the child process sees itself when dereferencing 'self'

19:03

*

Adlai just finished the alpha version of his twist on actors/csp

19:03

Adlai: dunno how far the programming metaphor goes; explain?

19:04

I enjoyed that movie

19:04

if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there?

19:04

*

trinque got really like, far out, man, one time and concluded that his language processing bits were not the only thing he is

19:05

I do not think there's a verbal definition of being

19:05

can't grab it with that

19:05

no, but do enough lsd and you'll find a non-verbal definition

19:05

nubbins`: right-o

19:05

dat ego death

19:06

fair warning, that's a one-way street 8)

19:06

trinque: let's say harriezer has a 4d scanner, which he uses to capture the entire state of your brain, down to the atom. he then simulates twenty copies of this brain, each in its own simulated universe. even if you believe that there would now be 21 conscious trinques, the other twenty would be distinct from you. kinda like finding out about an identical twin that was separated from you at birth.

19:06

and much realer than rololol's basilisk

19:06

*

trinque recalls flopping around in front of a couch, saying to no one, "holy fuck, this is me!"

19:06

*

danielpbarron has done "enough lsd"

19:07

the flopping, lol

19:07

in the prestige, the magician does pretty much exactly this with tesla's copy-teleport machine

19:07

Adlai not to mention that in the very next arbitrarily small slice of time, each of those 21 sets of atoms is now in a different state

19:07

Adlai: yeh agreed they are distinct

19:07

unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8)

19:08

nubbins`: actually, i'd maintain the same even if harriezer's simulators recreate exactly what happens to trinque's brain in real time

19:08

danielpbarron the concept of "enough" varies from person to person!

19:08

nod

19:08

whether the identical programs on identical hardware ever read from /dev/random is another matter

19:08

but either way, they're still separate instances

19:08

even if their 'state' is identical

19:09

if you accept the multiverse as an axiom, there are already infinitely many copies of the universe in which the entirety of states that the atoms of your brain will ever arrange themselves in are precisely identical

19:09

Adlai they're fungible!

19:10

yes. in such a multiverse, there are an infinite number of identical 'people', but each one thinks of itself as itself. the others are fungible, but the self is unique.

19:10

I'd just ask Yudkowski "how are all of you feeling today?"

19:10

he can't answer that

19:10

knows he's full of shit

19:10

it's barely worth considering

19:10

no subjective experience can travel across his abstact bridge

19:11

*abstract

19:12

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061016 << let's analogize that to http://www.legiontheory.com/

19:12

Logged on 20-03-2015 23:04:33; jurov: if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there?

19:12

Legion Theory ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yb7c )

19:12

Adlai: dennett went down that road too as I recall

19:12

the "pandemonium model" of mind?

19:12

yes, and feral neurons

19:13

http://www.meltingasphalt.com/neurons-gone-wild/

19:13

Neurons Gone Wild | Melting Asphalt ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yjne )

19:13

still in my experience there is a distinction between that which is thought and the singular experience of observing that

19:13

sorry, dennett himself is at http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind

19:13

THE NORMAL WELL-TEMPERED MIND | Edge.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Ynn2 )

19:14

thoughts do seem to all compete for attention

19:14

attention seems like one thing

19:14

you've never had a thought spring fully-formed into your mind ?

19:14

certainly

19:14

what you're calling "your mind" I'm calling attention

19:14

the observer

19:14

sure

19:14

probably danielpbarron's soul

19:15

lol "we don't know what is a consciousness? let's say it is composed of many of itself"

19:15

jurov: heh!!!

19:15

cf https://xkcd.com/1489/

19:15

xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRP7rs )

19:16

specifically, "Of these four forces, there's one we don't really understand." "Is it the weak force or the strong--" "It's gravity."

19:17

and where thoughts come from... brain is dreaming all the time, there are easy exercises to access this stream at any time

19:17

plus there is some pattern matching mechanism between tdreaming and external stimuli

19:17

to choose what is being processed further and verbalised

19:17

jurov: had the thought once in meditation that I was always... hm... thinking everything I've ever experienced all the time

19:18

someone (iirc dennett) lamented that everybody has their own theory of consciousness, as though this was a bad thing!

19:18

i've tracked myself many thoughts back to that dream form

19:18

*

Adlai doesn't (yet) see any use to the theory of consciousness beyond discussing it

19:19

that is certainly so

19:19

*

trinque steps back from the lsd flashback, gets another beer

19:20

at least my theory is useful in practice. just close eyes and watch what's happening, no need to be bored ever again

19:21

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19:21

jurov: also good to review whatever's slipped in there while one's distracted

19:21

note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes

19:21

it's pointedly nota mediatation in "think of something that is nothing" sense

19:21

Adlai> note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes << i used to do this when getting lecured by my mother as a child

19:22

ahahaa

19:22

what's cev?

19:22

OEV though

19:22

closed-eye visions

19:22

man when I was a kid, I'd have bizarre dreams

19:22

or visuals

19:22

had one where I asked god what it meant to not exist

19:23

at around 7

19:23

http://psychedelicfrontier.com/perception-scope-how-conjure-open-eye-visuals/

19:23

The Perception Scope: How to Conjure Open-eye Visuals at Will - Psychedelic Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRQoyL )

19:23

lots of others involving apolcalyptic subjects

19:24

the scenarios the mind can simulate... I'd like a pill someday that causes lucid dreaming

19:24

train yourself for it

19:25

take melatonin, and every time you touch a doorknob or a light switch in waking life, ask yourself "am i dreaming?"

19:25

I run a business, too reactionary atm

19:25

if I fall asleep at all I'm good

19:25

eventually the habit will cross over

19:25

the idea is to build a habit of doubting whether you're awake

19:25

and you'll find your dream-self holding a doorknob wondering if you're dreaming

19:25

I'll try it out

19:25

i had a roomie who did this with moderate success

19:25

i'm all for moderation. not immerse yourself in it, just be aware of the stream

19:26

https://medium.com/@Grayfox/the-hacker-who-drank-ayahuasca-517148aa1ed4

19:26

The Hacker Who Drank Ayahuasca — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9ZROf )

19:26

jurov classic explanation of LSD action is that it removes the filters that your brain normally automatically applies to that stream

19:26

Adlai: that one's on the list for when I can take a long enough vacation

19:27

s/automatic/learned

19:27

2c-e was a hell of a journey once upon a time

19:28

seems like it messed with whatever simulates the world visually in the brain

19:28

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19:28

found thoughts escaping out into the things I was seeing around me

19:28

that kind of thing

19:28

literally, psychedelic = manifesting the mind

19:28

ah, there you go

19:29

jurov ooh, i like that, +1

19:29

shapes would form in front of me that corresponded to concepts, or so it seemed

19:29

lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function

19:29

this: http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm

19:29

Project Renaissance, Image-Streaming ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa0bMV )

19:30

it is probably utterly american of me to desire the right technology to experience such things

19:30

not really insisting, but the wagon is not moderate

19:30

"Contrary to recent general belief, virtually every human can quickly and readily learn to "get pictures" in his mind's eye, thus becoming able to do visual thinking."

19:30

as opposed to the right practice

19:31

heh technique. can't get any simpler than trying to describe what comes to mind

19:32

jurov: hm, seems just like what one does telling a story to another

19:34

when you're telling a story you're doing it to some purpose

19:35

this is describing whatever is happening in the brain

19:39

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19:44

the whole 'copy isn't you' thing is pure unadulterated vitalism, however.

19:45

it is no accident, incidentally, that chemistry went nowhere until vitalism was banished from it

19:45

and physics ground to a screeching halt when bohr reintroduced it to physics

19:46

the answer to 'is the copy you' is 'shutthefuckup you're asking a broken question'

19:47

(while you read this paragraph, it is quite likely that at least one of your neurons died. and wasn't even replaced with a copyable mechanical one, at that. are you 'still you' ? and moreover, do you find the question itself interesting, or the answer being something that matters ?)

19:49

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19:50

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19:51

re: neurons gone wild

19:51

well, you do become 'less yourself', until there's nothing left... although it's a more complex process than just cells dying

19:51

you apparently see at comic-con type events a lot of people who have an "other self"

19:51

generally some sort of furry

19:52

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/ninds_neuron.htm#death

19:52

The Life and Death of a Neuron: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3gMN )

19:52

nubbins`: to find people with 'more than one self' you generally have to visit more than one asylum

19:52

(most 'multiple personality' cases are really just schizophrenics playing games. ask a specialist)

19:52

ah, that word again

19:52

8)

19:53

asciilifeform: well yeah, I think defining self is meaningless

19:53

but saying that is distinct from saying it doesn't exist

19:53

can I tell you what it feels like for me to type this?

19:53

asciilifeform i published an (embellished) bio of a man with schizophrenia

19:53

most people roleplaying at conventions aren't even as 'dissociated' as a good method actor

19:53

*autobio

19:53

there's an experience happening over here, and it has an extent

19:53

nubbins`: yeah i recall the thread

19:53

the extent of that experience will not expand when you duplicate me

19:54

and it's a stretch to say that professional actors are schizophrenic, although many of them do seem to fear zoltan

19:54

there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer

19:54

but it's really just runaway thoughts

19:54

coupled with hypothetical "suppose this strawman was ME" type clauses

19:54

now hell, "you"

19:54

you is a broken concept for sure

19:54

trinque: you say this, and so will the copy

19:54

asciilifeform: right, indistinguishable to you

19:54

and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot

19:54

however a copy of you would be distinguishable to you

19:55

which me

19:55

l0l

19:55

doesn't matter

19:55

http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/15/answer-to-job/

19:55

Answer to Job | Slate Star Codex ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3DqR )

19:55

each is distinct to itself

19:55

"which do i shoot" "either or, but not both"

19:55

asciilifeform: seems like you're thinking from an imaginary 3rd person perspective

19:55

all that matters to whichever me is me, is uh... me

19:55

lol

19:55

but unless you posit some bit of of shamanism that distinguishes the original and is somehow copy-protected, the copying -happened-

19:56

talking at crossways I think

19:56

one's talking about identity, the other being

19:56

(typically shaman says that no such thing as the copy could even be attempted, because the gods will drop a piano on your head.)

19:56

*

asciilifeform does not find ^ a very interesting hypothesis

19:56

copout

19:56

in zindell's scifi, their best tech for copying - renders the organ being copied incapable of supporting further consciousness

19:57

(functions as a plot element, not a copout)

19:58

asciilifeform: I began criticizing the idea that all of the infinite me's are to be considered as though they are the me driving the keyboard

19:58

whether they are the same to you doesn't matter at all to me

19:58

I will still strive to be the one not capped by the 45

19:58

:p

19:59

again using this word that no longer has a correct meaning in the hypothetical system

19:59

'me'

19:59

I disagree entirely

19:59

so shaman?

19:59

that I am sitting here having this experience defines "me" sufficiently for me to use it

19:59

if it doesn't for you, who cares?

19:59

i might care, when it's my turn to argue with my copy about who should be shot

20:00

but yet again this sentence is an abuse of word.

20:01

re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost

20:01

or somesuch

20:01

for some reason you don't meet terribly many folks today who won't ride, e.g., an airplane, for this reason

20:01

even among the devoutly religious

20:01

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except the guys w/ the plastic bags

20:02

the meaning of 'me' which is consistent in this system is: "the thing which you perceive yourself as communicating with"

20:02

wai wat

20:02

times in the past I have had cluster headaches

20:02

caused by various head injuries over the years

20:02

in the midst of that level of pain no one ever questions where he begins and where he ends

20:03

stab the clone and nothing *here* happens

20:03

who cares about the clone

20:03

trinque: you're 'dividing by zero' just by thinking about this

20:03

just as the rest of us do.

20:03

http://i.imgur.com/3GHvrdn.jpg

20:03

... ( http://bit.ly/1HbMTiV )

20:03

nubbins`: lol

20:03

nubbins`: what is pictured here ?

20:04

contagious patient ?

20:04

orthodox jew in a fullbody condom

20:04

l0l

20:04

Adlai: what is the logic behind the condom ?

20:04

probably to prevent physical contact with female flight attendants

20:04

asciilifeform apparently some hasidic jews feel they are not permitted to fly over cemeteries

20:04

i'd fuck myself. we'd only have to resort to reading /dev/random about who goes first.

20:04

the airport in tel aviv is surrounded by cemeteries

20:04

but the plastic in the fuselage is not sufficient barrier ?

20:05

the bag was blessed maybe

20:05

this man is -- no joke -- protecting himself from w/e by completely enclosing himself in a plastic bag.

20:05

why not bless the floor tiles ?

20:05

for the whole lot of passengers

20:05

charge extra

20:05

there's a sub-race (seriously, they consider themselves a separate tribe-within-the-tribe) who are not allowed to / don't enter cemeteries

20:05

while alive, presumably ?

20:05

who, cohanim ?

20:05

yes

20:06

yes. in the idf, when we had guided tours of mt hertzl (big military cemetary), they always asked before entering if there were any of them present

20:06

lest one accidentally trespass

20:06

"Kohenim are prohibited from coming into contact with dead bodies, and many rabbis have taken the strict opinion that a Kohen may not ride in a plane if he knows ahead of time that it will fly directly over a Jewish cemetery."

20:06

is it considered a score against the cemetary, or the kohen ?

20:06

ultimate trolls, whoever thinks up these rules

20:06

*

Adlai actually thought the officer was kidding, the first time this happened

20:06

"The man wrapped in plastic, whose photograph first appeared on the Redditor site and later on the Gothamist site, apparently did not want to take any chances. By covering himself in plastic, he established a separation between him and impurities."

20:07

Yea, I remember when I was on my birthright trip, my friend stayed behind when we visited Mt Hertzl.

20:07

*

nubbins` rolls eyes

20:07

*

trinque heads home, enjoyed the philosophical bullshit session

20:07

in the case of the army - it would be a terrible failure for the officer to let such a thing happen!

20:07

examine the utter failure of logic by this man

20:07

srsly, a fucking /plastic bag/.

20:08

nubbins`: i think they grade themselves 'for effort.' consider the rope

20:08

asciilifeform precisely this

20:08

RCs are no different

20:08

'eruv' (Adlai: correct transliteration if off)

20:08

i'd ask them, what if there's a cemetery below him in australia?

20:08

*

Adlai only has distant secondhand knowledge of orthodox theology

20:08

jurov: follow the logic. they don't care if there is a sea burial going on underneath, or a shipwreck with skeletons

20:08

because 'graded for effort'

20:09

and there isn't really a good effort they could make to demonstrate a desire to avoid those

20:09

dunno if i could resist to troll them with a bone

20:09

gl explaining that to security

20:10

!s pig burial

20:10

3 results for 'pig burial' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pig+burial

20:10

what i do know is that one guy took cold showers on the sabbath, because if he opened the hot water tap, it might trigger the thermostat in the base's boiler

20:10

emphasis on "might", didn't help to point out that the boiler basically works 24/7 and still doesn't keep up

20:11

which ender's game book was it where they created a race of smart people genetically predisposed to OCD?

20:11

either xenocide or children of the mind

20:12

good that unlike jooz, we have danielpbarron that knows exactly what the letters say

20:12

yeah. reminds me of that in some ways

20:12

(which were supposed to be one book, but eventually didn't 'fit in head')

20:12

i got through about 7 of those books before giving up

20:12

*

Adlai just read the first 4. regrets seeing the movie.

20:12

just earth geopolitics after a while

20:12

you know, the ones that actually have a plot

20:12

http://www.atruechurch.info/sabbath.html Those who totally stop every work of their own righteousness (Psalm 16:2; Romans 4:5, "does not work"), and believe on Him who justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5), these are those who fulfill the law (Romans 8:4) and keep a perpetual Sabbath (Hebrews 4:3-4, 9-10).

20:13

A True Church - The Sabbath ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbPrxv )

20:13

ender's shadow is nb if you haven't read it

20:13

ender's game from bean's pov

20:13

right. ender's game's plot, with different words. it doesn't have its own plot, and i need a few decades before i can read this author again, after children of the mind

20:15

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20:15

that's sorta the last one i enjoyed

20:16

children, or shadow?

20:16

children of mind

20:16

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Adlai enjoyed it too, but it was just too long

20:16

speaker for the dead and xenocide were the height

20:17

read it back when i had 4-5 hours of daily reading time in middle school

20:17

i read an enormous amount of fiction in uni

20:17

1000 pages a week at times

20:17

extracurricular?

20:18

for lels, yeah

20:18

not much required reading for a cs/math joint major

20:18

did 1 english course (2 req'd for b.sc., did AP english in hs)

20:19

24yo nubs was not impressed w/ having to take 1000-level english course with 18y/o's

20:19

skipped 4 consecutive weeks of classes mid-semester, came out w/ an 88 and a letter from the faculty pleading me to change majors

20:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00028926 = 1.4174 BTC [-]

20:32

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RlLqY7OJqUAJ:www.lunsfordnet.com/get/pdf/2595+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

20:32

Transition Dreams by Greg Egan "We can't tell you what your own transition dreams will be. The only thing that's certain is ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbTOsz )

20:32

^ re: brain copies

20:32

w4r3z cache

20:33

excellent story

20:33

I should read more Egan

20:33

luminous is sitting a few feet away

20:35

nubbins`: 'english' = literature | composition ?

20:36

asciilifeform: you may appreciate this thought. So I like XC running, so I just like to run to work out. At some point it's like your body is heating up like a GPU trying to run a video game (hence sweat). So I've always thought of exercising as our bodies running "tough programs". lol

20:47

Adlai a mix of both

20:48

thestringpuller have you ever thought of eating a large quantity of muscle meat as running a tough program? 8)

20:49

^- da pun is strong with you today

20:51

yes, on such meat branch prediction and caching fail all the time

20:58

lel

20:58

core dump

20:58

on eulora?

21:00

more meat program puns

21:00

srs tho, takes it outta ya

~ 16 minutes ~

21:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0002953 = 10.5127 BTC [+]

21:18

!up dEBRUYNE

21:19

http://baexpats.org/topic/33079-wild-cat-in-back-yard/ << misfortunate cat meets insane gringo

21:19

Wild Cat In Back Yard - Expat Life - Buenos Aires Expats Group ... ( http://bit.ly/18OtOYN )

21:21

how even found this.

21:21

i > google!

21:22

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asciilifeform if had to choose who to render for fat, the animal or the 'man' from the link, would choose the latter without hesitation

21:24

note that it's not even a wild cat.

21:24

which would have hopefully killed him.

21:25

aha. we have idiots like this here

21:25

who brutally murder any tame animal unfortunate enough to be let out for a walk

21:25

"gee, i wonder why the poor cat isn't scaling the wall after being sprayer with permethrin and not being fed for a week"

21:26

"could a rope and an open can of tuna solve this problem ? naaah, best call the plumber!"

21:29

i would greatly enjoy putting the author of the post in the very similar situation.

21:29

dosage adjusted as necessary.

21:31

and i'm not even a zoophiliac.

21:31

me either

21:31

but i guess it's because we're sociopaths, aka, idiot-intolerant.

21:31

but some 'people' really -are- the 'planetary cancer'' imagined by enviro-whiners. as in, the actual core of truth behind the myth.

21:32

as in, there can be very few things more noble than killing them, slowly, and with cameras rolling for posterity.

21:32

exactly. my objection isn't particularly that the cat got hurt as much as it is the guy didn't.

21:32

the beasts fight one another even without idiot man (i know this well enough from watching the wild cats in own yard)

21:32

though i've yet to find a carcass

21:33

presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place

21:33

where does he move from that doesn't have cats? how did he figure out how to move??

21:34

danielpbarron: in some parts of usa suburbia, animals found wandering outdoors are mercilessly caught and soap van

21:34

actually i used to know, many years ago, an old, 2/3 tailless , earless, blind tomcat.

21:34

i guess he was an anarchist cat.

21:34

how does beast with these handicaps stay afloat ?

21:34

was fed ?

21:34

well i fed it ocasionally.

21:34

i imagine plenty of people liked it.

21:35

actually hanbot used to feed chicken livers to this blind dog that had a helper tripod dog (one limb cut off, prolly in tram accident).

21:35

they made quite the team.

21:35

i got bit by a feral cat and freaked out less than this guy; didn't go to doctor even

21:35

we have a tailless one here, and a very ancient skeletal one, both fed

21:36

anyway, animals do have all sorts of arrangements.

21:36

at least in principle. creatures of habit.

21:39

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asciilifeform is experiencing almost a kind of synaesthesia. that post -stinks-, just about literally, of american degeneracy. smells kinda like 'mcdonalds'

21:39

the guy sprayed a can of raid in a cat's face?

21:40

nubbins`: cholinesterase inhibitors work on everybody. just different potencies.

21:40

is relieving him of his skin before he gets sent to the salt mines an option?

21:40

nubbins`: in the lab i worked at, permethrin was used as a substitute for sarin (the building was not rated for the latter, needs airlocks, etc)

21:41

or not permethrin

21:41

what was it

21:42

permethrin is this contact insecticide that is well tolerated by mammals,

21:42

except notably for cats.

21:42

i was just filling in the gaps, dunno wtf he actually used,

21:43

*

asciilifeform forgot precisely what. but leafing through old crap reveals that permethrin is not anticholinergic. so couldn't have been it

21:43

but in context this'd be a reasonable expectation.

21:44

at any rate, i enjoy the picture that one day the correct gas may be found for the degenerate.

21:45

actually yeah permethrin+cats, i remember that one

21:45

a specifically 'civilized' kind of degeneracy on exhibit here

21:45

permethrin woulda been great for my hammock when i went to colombia ;/

21:45

nod

21:46

"a strange happened so i badded it"

21:46

tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit

21:47

and having the temerity to whine if a white spot remains

21:51

<nubbins`> "a strange happened so i badded it" << quite.

21:52

people go all berserk about milgram experiment.

21:52

bs. the problem there isn't anything to do with "people". dependent cattle behave outrageously if taken outside of their pens.

21:52

that's the long and the short of it. has nothing to do with people.

21:52

^

21:53

the word for this can be "civilised", but it just as well be "fucking stupid".

21:53

"o look, the usual crutches i use to hide my idiocy don't work, now it's nude on display".

21:53

"well... that'd be because you're an idiot."

21:53

civilized.

21:53

is the correct word.

21:53

we don't agree. slavegirls are civilised.

21:54

then possibly needs word

21:54

these schmucks are just brainwashed.

21:54

there IS a difference.

21:54

but it goes as closely with civilization as lead poisoning.

21:54

so what if it does. tb goes with pallor, we don't call one the other.

21:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0002943 = 7.1809 BTC [-]

21:55

to rephrase - i'm not certain that anyone knows how to 'civilization' without producing more of this material than anyone knows how to pour into concrete and bury

21:55

i am quite certain at least someone does.

21:55

it starts with "you will be beaten daily until you know how this works"

21:55

as opposed to "this is ~how we use this~."

21:55

one's civilisational, the other's brainwashing.

21:56

incidentally, notice how english speakers use word 'training' outside of the context of spinal reflex (sport)

21:56

it refers to precisely 'this is how we use'

21:56

yup.

21:57

directly anticultural, and through that mediation, civilisation-destroying.

21:58

<asciilifeform> tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit << this, is, fundamentally, "social media", as the recent maddox link amply explains.

21:59

or the one before that. or i suppose most of his links.

22:01

scoopbot

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-history/

22:02

the head of cattle, taught by d3m0cr4cy111!!111!1 that he ought to have some kind of control over his stall, goes apeshit outside.

22:02

because now whole universe 'is' his stall

22:02

but this is a trivial observation.

22:02

so it is.

22:02

but the less trivial one is that there no such thing as ownerless cattle

22:03

this is not directl yobvious.

22:03

even an ox wandering loose in mumbai (the locals call'em 'brakes inspectors' on the road) - has owner

22:03

(the crown, who will go after me if i show up with a rifle and a kebeb grill ready to go)

22:04

that's your owner, not the ox's.

22:04

you will not be on trial for ox damaging, but for human misbehaving.

22:04

possibly some mix (i can think of a situation where it is precisely about ox damage)

22:04

similarly in the recently invented "sex tourism" trials, you're not on trial for there bering a fgucked 12yo in thailand, but for there being a usian citizen that had some fun.

22:04

asciilifeform if it were about ox damage it'd be a fine.

22:05

well there, certainly. but i'd argue that usg implicitly takes ownership of the wild things here

22:05

only as a result of having taken ownserhip of teh citizenry.

22:05

in that if obamitler wished, he could hunt the last panda, or fuck 12yo thai

22:05

of course. because he's not a citizen.

22:05

how did that inept quote go, "citizens ask for permission."

22:05

-subjects-

22:05

it went 'subjects as for permission, citizens something-or-other

22:06

meanwhile somewhere else, http://40.media.tumblr.com/afd55aa5ad081e1c989b2a34a160cfeb/tumblr_mrn8l7cs7t1rmm9buo1_1280.jpg

22:06

... ( http://bit.ly/1FOpnKN )

22:06

asciilifeform nah, believe it or not it didn't. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055604

22:06

Logged on 17-03-2015 19:25:54; mircea_popescu: "Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun.

22:07

l0l!

22:07

nubbins` hey, what;d you cost to make qntra business cards for a dozen ppl and ship em ?

22:07

same design, name/surname, nick, gpg key on one side, qntra this that on the other ?

22:08

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060974 << guy does not actually understand anything.

22:08

Logged on 20-03-2015 22:48:21; trinque: you cannot interact with you

22:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00028516 = 17.5088 BTC [-] {2}

22:09

he, superficially, has an autodidact's understanding of the basics. that means they are subtly broken. he then proceeds from there, and errors compound.

22:09

soon enough he's holding a nonsense.

22:10

kinda why people go to school : so they can be in the company of their betters (something us kids have serious mental issues with) where they can create this sort of braindamage, be bullied for it, fix it, and so end up sane.

22:11

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060984 << penis better. especially if itends up larger.

22:11

Logged on 20-03-2015 22:51:23; jurov: someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar

22:13

mircea_popescu say 600 bezzlars for a dozen people to get 250 cards each, design + shipping at actual cost

22:14

(hand-printed bizniss cards for $50 per head, you say?!)

22:14

contrast the economy of scale here to alf's $200 book ;(

22:16

i can go for that as a qntra perk. you gonna be willing to keep the design and make more of the same if these folks run out / for new folks ?

22:17

we index all our graphics & films, totally

22:17

cool. so submit a nice design.

22:17

im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen.

22:18

any of the above who have particular ideas about how they want their cards to NOT look, best speak up

22:19

i like simple / white background black text sorta thing

22:19

nubbins` : name/surname ; nick ; gpg/gpg on one face, dunno exactly what should be for qntra on the other.

22:19

i guess it's time to come up with a byline for it hm.

22:19

bunny rabbit

22:20

you think ? pics usually make cards look cheap

22:20

^ ++

22:20

lel, i kid

22:20

i literally have a crate of business cards saved up

22:20

later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^

22:20

i collect the things

22:21

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mircea_popescu pictures danielpbarron doing that thing with the cards in american psycho

22:21

i actually need to print more for myself

22:21

;;later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^

22:21

The operation succeeded.

22:21

i don't think i've seen that movie

22:21

mircea_popescu i never understood the concept of a "paper erection" until i got into this biz, ya know

22:21

christian slater is almost hot.

22:22

but the film could definitely have done with a lot more and a lot better nudity.

22:22

now it's all flared nostrils & running fingertips over things

22:22

oh yeah, not some weird non-standard shape / fold-out w/e

22:22

a showgirls style casual nudity meets american psycho casual psychopathology would rock.

22:22

fold-outs 0/10 would not do

22:22

good.

22:22

maybe black paper

22:22

nubbins` noteven for ronald mc donald / gavin mcsatoshi / etc ?

22:22

ah, my gold on black cards look awesome.

22:23

puzzle or word search on the back maybe

22:23

course, not so easy to pull it off, need just the right kinda asshole.

22:23

we did some gold on black recently

22:23

not sure if i have pics handy, but i know there's a couple cards downstairs

22:23

actually, bird book has gold on black as well

22:24

!s plough

22:24

7 results for 'plough' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plough

22:24

hired another lawyer the other day, left him my card, then when we met socially later he was like... well the office tried to figure out wtf. first we thought those must be like mail codes of your country. but then that didn't make sense. so susie said you must be in porn.

22:24

http://i.imgur.com/pxZ4arA.jpg

22:24

... ( http://bit.ly/1FOuR8e )

22:24

not quite the best shot to show it off, but yknow

22:24

looks ballin

22:24

nubbins` that gold looks more like bronze

22:24

mircea_popescu: not a gpg-enabled lawyer, i take it

22:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0002943 = 3.1343 BTC [+]

22:25

that's actually a pure gold base w/ some orange pigment added

22:25

good eye on ya 8)

22:25

o gawd, looking for stuff I r find... http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/extradited-by-my-rubber-ducklings.html

22:25

Print Page - MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOv8bb )

22:25

asciilifeform not at that time.

22:29

who was it who had the steel businesscards.

22:29

gross

22:29

why not glitter?

22:29

nono

22:29

or nettles

22:29

with actual cutouts. massive co2 laser.

22:30

what am i gonna do with a steel business card

22:30

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ryw4r_eG--/18s0bpicjpxufjpg.jpg

22:30

... ( http://bit.ly/1FOwkvg )

22:30

^ this possibly

22:31

HA

22:31

ok, fair enough

22:31

s.nsa cards w/ cardano pcb traces silkscreened in copper ink

22:32

you know, there's this legend that actually happened of romanian mobster that got shot coming out of a restaurant

22:32

except he was shotwith a .38 and he was carring money. so it didn't go through.

22:32

50% transparent mask layer on top

22:32

nubbins`: i drew a pcb card for mircea_popescu half-seriously

22:32

so... have a buncha steel business cards, make your own armor

22:32

(it's linked in a comment on his site iirc)

22:32

it'd work

22:33

!s ppsh

22:33

3 results for 'ppsh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ppsh

22:33

it did work. bullet didn't even make it through the whole ~200 leaves.

22:33

polymer banknotes.

22:33

asciilifeform the only material difference between one and the other is the substrate

22:33

*

asciilifeform trying to find ancient thread re: drunken red army folks having a duel with submachineguns and blocked by greatcoats

22:34

*

asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease

22:35

http://www.quicksprout.com/images/businesscards/officedesk.jpg

22:35

... ( http://bit.ly/1FOxuXC )

22:36

or simply picture a card with btc privkey

22:36

(funded just a bit)

22:37

asciilifeform if i remember correctly, usg is on record saying they lack the ability to input a printed gpg privkey.

22:37

was in some court case or other during the great assault on private email providers of 2012-2013

22:38

iirc it was 'not sop therefore chew for us and feed into mouth or else'

22:38

lavabit case

22:38

a yes.

22:38

that had me for a chuckle, you know ? "too lazy to type it in, it's like characters and shit"

22:38

then on the other line alf was going nuts about kbd emanations good for 20 meters even!

22:39

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060994 << this is more of an infantilism than a defect.

22:39

Logged on 20-03-2015 22:56:06; trinque: there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea

22:40

let's have gedankenexperiment (is trinque still awake ?)

22:41

was he ever :0

22:41

suppose a man were disassembled into components, sorted by atomic mass. then, next day, reassembled. answer - a) this cannot be done for Reasons b) he died and was replaced with soul-less copy c) he simply got paused and then resumed, will wonder where the day went but nothing else d) none of the above ?

22:41

hey, did you know trauma is "dreaming" in german ?

22:41

and kunts = art ?

22:42

asciilifeform allow me to answer that!

22:42

One more dies one more lives, one baby cries One mother grieves...

22:43

this is an ancient mega-war, yes, i know.

22:43

and now with music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI60crM-piE

22:43

Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son Lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzC1I )

22:43

possibly the best song of all time.

22:45

DEFINITELY a better approach to the entire eliezer/potter bs than either of the proponents.

22:45

plus it only takes ten minutes or so.

22:47

kunts

22:47

kunst!

22:47

kuntskammer

22:48

nubbins` don't opress my convenient dyslexia!

22:48

(there's a widely known, at least in europe, welt der kunst, world of art. /me had classmates going for a while that it simply means "wealth of cunts")

22:48

;;google mommy and me are animals

22:48

Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI>; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: <http://mommyandme.rescueme.org/>; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: <http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/85327.html>

22:49

^ speaking of kunst

22:49

if you wanna see some bizarre

22:51

nubbins` i recall discussing that guy last year.

22:51

nod

22:51

i actually ran into this guy in berlin last summer, hey?

22:51

(and his mother)

22:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061025 << i suspect the importance of that is strictly local. ie, some club of idiots got owned by this concept specially constructed for their particular disabilities.

22:52

Logged on 20-03-2015 23:06:34; nubbins`: and much realer than rololol's basilisk

22:52

asciilifeform: re: asciilifeform: presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place < cats are well known for anticipating their deaths and crawling up some inaccessible hole beforehand to die

22:52

incidentally, the 'basilisk' spoken of is not the usual mythological one,

22:52

probably some kind of protection instinct

22:52

but the one featured in the short story 'blit'

22:52

nubbins` you know what i'd like to see, a reality show of this guy and athene the best paladin in the world (with his mother)

22:52

french vs german!

22:53

Ich moechte gern ein Eis bitte

22:53

decimation: i always mistrusted this explanation. beasts do not need to sense their deaths to turn up expired in some inaccessible place.

22:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYrFR9RT_U

22:53

Best Paladin of The World pwning nubs on My Heart Will Go On from Celine Dion (ATHENE #1) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCdsp )

22:53

o.O

22:53

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061032 << for my peace of mind, what do you think qt is ?

22:53

Logged on 20-03-2015 23:07:43; nubbins`: unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8)

22:53

they could easily go there every day, and simply fail to come out

22:54

*

decimation doesn't own cats, but has heard several anecdotes

22:54

mircea_popescu just checking to see if anyone was paying attention 8)

22:54

nubbins` http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/

22:54

Cel mai bun paladin din the world. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCvj4 )

22:54

nubbins` but nevertheless...

22:55

anyway : quantum tunneling is the observed property of quantum "particles" to interact at a distance without ever interacting with whatever's separating their first position from the second.

22:55

this is most annoying when for instance electrons ignore dielectrics

22:55

that's quantum entanglement, no?

22:55

no.

22:56

quantum tunneling is when i go outside but skip the door

22:56

quantum entanglement is the property of two apparently distinct "particles" to share more than they should.

22:56

as a rule of thumb, the first occurs over tiny distances, the 2nd is distance-invariant

22:57

nubbins` yes, something like that. as if you could only be right before or right after the door but not in between.

22:57

this is all the sort of thing i understand while reading it but don't really copy it over to long-term storage

22:57

depends a lot on your energy.

22:57

yeah

22:57

but then again in qm, your existence is not so distinct from your energy.

22:57

how did that line go,

22:58

the long-distance one behaves exclusively like a pair of synched rng.

22:58

;;google money over power, power over money

22:58

WAREN G & SISSEL - THE RAPSODY PRINCE IGOR - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORui2qE7Aa4>; Warren G - Prince Igor Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/prince-igor-lyrics-warren-g.html>; JWTM – Money Over Power Lyrics | Genius: <http://genius.com/Jwtm-money-over-power-lyrics>

22:59

the short-distance (tunnel) on the other hand is one of the weapons by which 'moore's law' is dying - http://www.iue.tuwien.ac.at/phd/entner/node23.html

22:59

... ( http://bit.ly/1FODLm0 )

23:00

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/barr.html << for folks who like to play with the numbers

23:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1FOE1BN )

23:01

asciilifeform quite.

23:01

just about at the 5ish nm level it takes over iirc

23:02

asciilifeform: re: conversation about neighborhood isp: turns out there is a town about an hour away from you that is attempting to provide its own gigabit fiber service: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-startup-offering-gigabit-fiber-is-expanding-to-a-second-comcast-dominated-city

23:02

A Startup Offering Gigabit Fiber Is Expanding to a Second Comcast-Dominated City | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEpQt )

23:02

decimation a startup != a town tho neh ?

23:03

was about to say.

23:03

show me a town where anyone freely digs up the roads.

23:03

not even in africa.

23:03

no if you read the article, the 'startup' is actually a division of tucows, the domainame freeware site

23:03

and they are merely 'operating' the network after westminster, md builds it

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" "We want to blow this thing up, and we want disruptive services at disruptive pricing," Robert Wack, Westminster's city council president, told me. "We've got Comcast and its usual suite of services, Verizon DSL, with its patchy service areas, and dish and satellite services. Nobody is happy with any of it, and none of it has the capacity we need to take this city into the future.""

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verizomcast is doomed to play 'bad cop' to the 'good cop' of usgnet

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(or whatever name it ends up taking)

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apparently tucows is on usg's shitlist because it won't play ball

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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/inside-the-notorious-canadian-internet-company-targeted-by-the-us-government " As previously mentioned, Tucows landed on the US Trade Representative’s annual list of notorious markets due to the company’s practice of not responding to takedown requests from companies alleging that Tucows registers domains for sites selling illegal goods. This is despite the fact that a domain name registrar has

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Inside the 'Notorious' Canadian Internet Company Targeted by the US Government | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOFnfA )

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essentially no say in the content of the websites on its roster, Bunton told me. "

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idea is that they 'have the choice to surrender to usg' and didn't make it

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yeah I guess that's the idea, but it seems dubious that usg will tolerate such behavior

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especially when it has its own blessed monopolists

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wonder will the town wait to be sued before giving up subscriber info

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lol 'giving up' when isp (and credit card co) pipe it to usg in milliseconds when subscriber pays

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and continuously after

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:D

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if i wanna see a card trick, i don't want you to hold the deck face-up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GJPoMs30E << historical interest

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Guillotine in the basement of German Reichstag - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bf9tCJ )

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man, i remember tucows from back when i had to buy a book to use the internet

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asciilifeform: I don't get why we don't still use the guillotine

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seems pretty fast and efficient

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#967169

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Logged on 07-01-2015 00:39:01; *: asciilifeform has been enjoying 'Seeing Justice Done. The Age of Spectacular Capital Punishment in France.' (Paul Friedland.)

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^ described, among other very interesting things, the decline & fall of the guillotine

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even while it was still used, was hidden behind closed door for most of the 20th c

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because of the fundamental duplicity of totalitarian state

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(must keep two sets of books, can't show publicly how it works)

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just as 'civilized' countries today punish folks behind closed doors

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772419 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772420 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772421 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772429

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Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'

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Logged on 27-07-2014 17:36:01; asciilifeform: when usa was a techno-power, electric chair was king

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Logged on 27-07-2014 17:36:20; asciilifeform: banana republics, soviet world - shooting

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Logged on 27-07-2014 17:39:58; asciilifeform: so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character.

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re: electric chair < my understanding is that it was mainly a marketing gimmick for electricity

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i once saw thomas edison electrocute an elephant

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well, not in person

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famous film

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asciilifeform: note that keeping the execution behind closed doors greatly diminishes its intended effect to encourage the others

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the books was actually about this

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specifically, how the purpose changed

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and wtf it even was originally.

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highly recommended.

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thanks for the recommendation.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsy_%28elephant%29

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Topsy (elephant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOIRip )

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:o

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asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: hidden execution in the US was that those who wanted to end all executions encouraged it so that they could then argue that it doesn't have a 'discouragement' effect on crime

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what a bummer

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just like the same ones burden the death penalty with layers of bureaucracy and then claim that it's too unwieldy to use

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!up ponyslaystation

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<decimation> no if you read the article, the 'startup' is actually a division of tucows, the domainame freeware site << you know twocows i actually like.

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o.O

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and obviously, the usg doesn't like it. how surprising.

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decimation has fond memories of downloading warez from tucows back in the day

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aha

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it and simtel

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<asciilifeform> idea is that they 'have the choice to surrender to usg' and didn't make it << myeah. they gotta be supported.

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generally, any friend of the usg is an enemy of the world.

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asciilifeform: did you get those little paper catalogs of shareware which you could order on diskettes?

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never got paper, no

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(where? lol)

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i did, actually.

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even got a diskette of fractal programs.

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mircea_popescu comes from a country where "warez" has no particular meaning. you mean software, right ?

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yes, with the meaning shaded with the implication that the software is unlicensed

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although in this case it was shareware generally

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http://36.media.tumblr.com/2a63eaed64b2fba30ca3a958c905b813/tumblr_mw02jsxq8T1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg << study.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfd6bH )

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linked from ascii's youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20 < Wehrmacht soldaten describing their point of view, and pride

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WW2 justified by former German soldiers - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfej2Q )

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forward to 2:57ff to see the old dude scold some chick about 'war crimes'

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from guillotine thread: a: 'I want it, is it for sale?'

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b: 'Build your own, so you too can become a state. Then build a prison to house it, and start capturing people, accusing them of shit, and holding them for ransom. Print lots of worthless IOUs and start paying for stuff with them, and extorting money from your neighbors to pay you with your own IOUs every year a tax on their land, or you will imprison and guilotine them. Use your growing wealth to stockpile more and more we

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apons and back up your operation, because you're making more an more enemies, but that's okay, you have all the high tech weapons. Start passing laws to prohibit others from owning anything more than a rifle or shotgun, while you buy gunships and tanks and jets and cluster bombs. Hirer very intelligent people who are ready to sell out humanity in exchange for trinket amounts of wealth to fatten their own pockets. Setup c

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ourts and judges to pass laws to forbid everyone around you from killing, lying, enslaving or imprisoning people, and stealing, but make it all legal for you under different names. Congratulations, you have just founded a country,also known as a state! Go to war with other states, to get rid of surplus wealth and attempt to grab more land to tax more people, when you find an opportunity that they are weaker than you. Secret

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ly assasisnate foreign leaders to destablilize small countries around you, and run drug running operations to generate even more revenue for more black projects, and tell your people its for their own security. Waterboard and torture your enemies and call them terrorists.'

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(dropped here for the lulzrecord)

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heh

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asciilifeform: not to mention you gotta setup a bureacracy so the people can grovel before it for trinkets: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/02/28/massachusetts-bureaucracy-gets-1-in-13-households-to-come-in-and-beg/

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Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Massachusetts bureaucracy gets 1 in 13 households to come in and beg ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfh5oL )

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in mass' defense, it's really merely providing a very in demand service

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1 in 2 households are looking for something to beg and someplace to do it.

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heh true

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"And those workers are different from the ones who decide whether or not to give out a free"

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why exactly are these idiots called "workers" ?

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well, they get paid

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people object to slave hard drives being called slave hard drives, in spite of the accuracy

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nobody cares shitheads are called workers ?

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you, if your paycheck comes from the governent, YOU ARE NOT A WORKER.

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work is when you do something useful. you're a fricitoner not a fucking worker.

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well, that net catches a good portion of the us when considered in its wide sense

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i'da made the comment there, but apparently greenspun doesn't know how to comments.

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as it is, only 58% of usians "work" http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm

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... ( http://bit.ly/1BfiSdm )

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almost 59%! thanks obama!

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honestly i don't think this has ever been different.

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in your classical "ancient tribe in the caves" about 2/3 of the tribe did something.

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well, it excludes the quite legitimate work of raising children

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what's different is a bunch of ideological spew clouding the issues.

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decimation other than the genetics of intelligence, the children is another way i get conservatives enraged.

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as far as i'm concerned, giving a mother a year off at childbirth is perfectly reasonable.

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why wouldn't a conservative agree?

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people go nuts. as if babies are required to come from the stork, and for free, because htey're wrapped up too tightly to consider fucking.

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decimation FREE MONEY TO NIGGER WHORES!!!?!?!?!?!

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well, there is the question of 'who pays'

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at least that's what it usually reduces to.

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but it certainly seems like society ought to consider paying for young families over old codgers

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decimation imo the most defensible expense in the state budget.

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way before "education"

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meat production?

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i dun think there's anything that can be done in a whole decade of "education" that's as valuable as kid having mother at home first year.

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there is something weird about the us, in that the grandparents often think that their responisibilities end after seeing the children off to college

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instead of endowing the next generation

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decimation generally ro families reproduce once grandparents go to pension.

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EXACTLY the same thing, except state doesn't pay for mother's year off, pays for gramma's years off.

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well, paying for young families has the further advantage of being a limited-time affair

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