Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122849 @ 0.00032957 = 40.4873 BTC [+] {3}
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00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00033021 = 12.3333 BTC [+]
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79424 @ 0.00033021 = 26.2266 BTC [+]
01:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118700 @ 0.00031985 = 37.9662 BTC [-] {3}
01:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73843 @ 0.00031938 = 23.584 BTC [-] {2}
01:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8273 @ 0.00031731 = 2.6251 BTC [-]
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01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22222 @ 0.00031655 = 7.0344 BTC [-]
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01:49 ben_vulpes https://twitter.com/Nahyeni/status/572123280724914176
01:49 assbot when i saw this i realized all my friendships fake http://t.co/AUFdNX2Ab9
01:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14890 @ 0.00031655 = 4.7134 BTC [-]
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00032061 = 50.3678 BTC [+] {4}
02:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031646 = 5.0646 BTC [-] {2}
02:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0142789 = 2.8558 BTC [+] {7}
02:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.00032821 = 21.2024 BTC [+] {2}
02:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70745 @ 0.0003295 = 23.3105 BTC [+] {2}
02:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163073 @ 0.00031561 = 51.4675 BTC [-] {2}
02:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122850 @ 0.00031214 = 38.3464 BTC [-] {3}
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03:00 mircea_popescu !up aegis
03:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "errying LEGAL that touches x will touch you too!!11" omfg who let the shamans out of africa.
03:10 mircea_popescu now we gotta contend with legavoodoo
03:10 BingoBoingo Wurst Voodoo
03:11 mircea_popescu in other news, nude dancer girl. http://40.media.tumblr.com/2d3ae273a07e14008e974530cfc47012/tumblr_n2ejftciH81s8rc6go1_1280.jpg
03:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClZMJF )
03:17 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
03:18 Vexual hey hey hey
03:28 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
03:28 Vexual pete_d did you see the total recall 3 tittie in negril?
03:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52354 @ 0.00031887 = 16.6941 BTC [+]
03:29 Vexual me thinks one was a fat roll, but still..
03:31 Vexual cant beat some bootleg ska
03:32 Vexual banned on the internet and shit
03:43 cazalla fluffypony, are you vegan?
03:43 fluffypony cazalla: no, my wife is
03:44 * fluffypony couldn't be bothered
03:44 cazalla i just saw that pop by on twitter, that's why i ask :P
03:44 fluffypony I love animals, but not enough to change my diet
03:45 cazalla i love them too because they are so tasty
03:48 Vexual ^
03:49 fluffypony lol
03:51 Vexual !up BingoBoingo
03:55 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amid-decision-to-close-allcrypt-com-reports-hot-wallet-theft/
03:57 cazalla i sometimes wonder if the guys who set up these two bit exchanges get frustrated at having lost money after a year despite an expectation they would get bought out and so decide to just steal their users instead so they can sleep well at night thinking they got that illusive 6 billion dorrah google buy out
04:02 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
04:02 mircea_popescu just about.
04:03 mircea_popescu if you go through the insanities they [used to] drop on the forum, the way unemployed/unemployable css derp sees the matter is, "he put 1000 hours worth 100 dollars each into the thing that is not really worth anything. so how about the users split the damage ?"
04:04 mircea_popescu that his hours aren't worth anything isn't a point he's well inclined to grasp under torture, let alone figure out on his own.
04:04 mircea_popescu that the site isn't worth anything FOR THAT REASON idem.
04:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34839 @ 0.00033187 = 11.562 BTC [+]
04:12 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/
04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61321 @ 0.00033187 = 20.3506 BTC [+]
04:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151000 @ 0.00033187 = 50.1124 BTC [+]
04:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.00032131 = 5.1879 BTC [-]
04:34 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
04:39 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7RcgZ1pLE
04:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23954 @ 0.00031273 = 7.4911 BTC [-]
04:44 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VrQqN6-ZsY heading west
04:46 Vexual momma wont like it
04:51 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MnUKlujqHk
04:53 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ
05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41178 @ 0.00031579 = 13.0036 BTC [+]
05:03 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ
05:05 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93500 @ 0.0003309 = 30.9392 BTC [+] {2}
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00031229 = 11.9607 BTC [-] {2}
05:14 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
05:19 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAzlNJonO8 yo ks
05:21 Vexual KRS1
05:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32781 @ 0.00033187 = 10.879 BTC [+]
05:22 Vexual marlestromers
05:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176778 @ 0.00033188 = 58.6691 BTC [+] {2}
05:28 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W5pq4bIzIw
05:32 Vexual ()(())()
05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00033301 = 15.0521 BTC [+]
05:34 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hyD2yAZFwE
05:35 Vexual 6a011168547078970c017d430f5600970c-800wi
05:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122150 @ 0.00033363 = 40.7529 BTC [+] {4}
05:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153322 @ 0.00033292 = 51.044 BTC [-]
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06:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17793 @ 0.00031064 = 5.5272 BTC [-]
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06:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96086 @ 0.00031022 = 29.8078 BTC [-] {2}
06:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00031 = 24.614 BTC [-]
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06:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223358 @ 0.00030966 = 69.165 BTC [-] {4}
07:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.0003094 = 16.8932 BTC [-] {3}
07:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00031333 = 12.5019 BTC [+]
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07:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104700 @ 0.00031226 = 32.6936 BTC [-]
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57050 @ 0.00031341 = 17.88 BTC [+] {2}
08:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00031356 = 9.9085 BTC [+]
08:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26560 @ 0.00031356 = 8.3282 BTC [+]
08:15 danielpbarron height=280974 vs height=210695
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08:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48901 @ 0.00031356 = 15.3334 BTC [+]
08:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96050 @ 0.000319 = 30.64 BTC [+] {2}
08:27 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984312.0
08:27 assbot [WTS] Rare coffee brands ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpMWYb )
08:27 nubbins` "rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O
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08:27 nubbins` oh and force-fed weasel poop
08:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00032214 = 22.5176 BTC [+]
08:42 kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/TU8FPFv.jpg
08:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpP16D )
08:45 mike_c I'm picturing a guy standing there scratching his head wondering how he's going to get the X he needs that's in the bottom of that box.
08:45 chetty box o kitty :)
08:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77100 @ 0.00031717 = 24.4538 BTC [-] {2}
08:51 davout http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-march-15th-2015-statement/
08:51 assbot X.EUR March 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQ4Ub )
08:51 scoopbot New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-march-15th-2015-statement/
08:51 davout o a scoopbot
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08:52 nubbins` setting up ARM cross-compile toolchain on osx is no fun
08:53 nubbins` anyway, for those still trying to build linux for pogo
08:53 nubbins` http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=5062
08:53 assbot Arch Linux ARM • View topic - [GUIDE] Re-building the kernel(3.7.8) and U-Boot (2013.01) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQgCD )
08:53 nubbins` might have some tips
08:53 davout !up deedbot-
08:53 davout deedbot-: add-deed http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-march-15th-2015-statement/
08:53 assbot X.EUR March 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpBYmV )
08:53 deedbot- No messages were found.
08:53 davout hrm
08:54 nubbins` anyway there's 35cm of snow on the ground since i went to bed
08:54 davout deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2RYHB2R.txt
08:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpCly6 )
08:54 deedbot- accepted: 1
08:54 nubbins` guess i'll shovel a way out
08:57 nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z7agl/i_just_watched_the_deep_web_film_premiere_at_sxsw/
08:57 assbot I just watched the Deep Web film premiere at SXSW. Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQMR8 )
08:57 nubbins` FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame)
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09:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78005 @ 0.00032241 = 25.1496 BTC [+] {2}
09:26 Adlai woah
09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19061 @ 0.00032293 = 6.1554 BTC [+]
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10:13 thestringpuller ;;calc 3400 * 0.004
10:13 gribble 13.6
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10:32 Adlai adventures in the modern communism: my reserve salary just barely covers 'national insurance' (the less-dysfunctional zionist sibling of 'social security')... there is a certain measure of logic in this
10:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103600 @ 0.0003223 = 33.3903 BTC [-]
10:33 thestringpuller $conference
10:40 thestringpuller nubbins` would like Bill and Ted
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 273 @ 0.00408313 = 1.1147 BTC [-] {6}
10:43 nubbins` what's a reserve salary
10:43 nubbins` wait, hold on
10:43 nubbins` like army reserves?
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114250 @ 0.00032342 = 36.9507 BTC [+]
10:46 nubbins` http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/3/16/e05b5208-da38-4619-8d16-28e4d12f4f9c.jpg
10:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs4Qvh )
10:46 nubbins` http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/3/16/a21f0c98-5b87-44b4-8894-8fa273bf1701.jpg
10:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs4S6r )
10:50 davout nubbins`: wow
10:50 nubbins` cops are straight-up telling people to stay off the roads
10:54 nubbins` oh, so putin is back!
10:54 nubbins` http://tiviseries.mobi/wp-content/uploads/alina-kabayeva-photos-3.jpg
10:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs6f4S )
10:54 dignork Adlai: it makes absolute sense from libertarian point of view - army conscription is a form of slavery...
10:54 nubbins` ^ relevant
11:07 Adlai yes nubbins` army reserve duty, you get paid for it... dignork this is more like "show up for reserves and בט"ל is on the house"
11:08 dignork Adlai: also free food, and place to sleep, as for any proper slave.
11:08 dignork Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe.
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11:09 Adlai and an axe!
11:12 Adlai so, seeing as hpmor even got mentioned here, i eventually ventured over to read a bit of it... all else aside, the writing itself stinks just like the canon
11:13 * Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage
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11:14 Adlai complete with SHOUTING whenever the author can't find sufficiently expressive words in http://simple.wikipedia.org
11:14 assbot Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs9NEt )
11:18 Adlai yet silver lines eternal, and the excursion yielded http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/tagged/Hariezer-Yudotter/chrono (drunk physicist reaction rage, by chapter)
11:18 assbot Wading In ... ( http://bit.ly/1AvEwux )
11:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00032342 = 19.9065 BTC [+]
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39407 @ 0.00032342 = 12.745 BTC [+]
11:31 PeterL got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/
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11:35 thestringpuller anyone see this sms 2fa bug on coinbase?
11:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00032383 = 35.848 BTC [+] {2}
11:38 nubbins` i'm glad the new imgur iOS app has disabled upload functionality
11:38 nubbins` it was previously much too convenient to upload phone snaps
11:39 nubbins` anyway. just shovelled. http://imgur.com/J410t43
11:39 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FseldK )
11:39 nubbins` that horizontal line is where the sidewalk ends and the road begins
11:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14264 @ 0.00032399 = 4.6214 BTC [+]
11:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222513 @ 0.00032338 = 71.9563 BTC [-] {2}
11:49 mats ;;tslb
11:49 gribble Time since last block: 21 minutes and 42 seconds
11:50 mats ;;bc,stats
11:50 gribble Current Blocks: 347874 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 893 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47028279381.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.84186
11:53 thestringpuller any qntra editors awake?
11:55 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z7fvl/2fa_on_coinbase_and_other_exchanges_using_authy/cpgdj8u wow these people are so stupid
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12:19 mircea_popescu Global Innovation8:22 am 19 KiBLooking for $5M funding or above?
12:19 mircea_popescu ahem.
12:24 nubbins` actually i'm only looking for 4.9mn
12:24 nubbins` i'll look elsewhere
12:25 nubbins` mildly unrelated, if i can help it, pink eye will never accept funds or loans from outside investors
12:25 nubbins` !up ascii_field
12:26 nubbins` !up ascii_field
12:26 nubbins` oopsie
12:27 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski yo, did you see http://brendafernandez.com/ ? i guess it goes to ben_vulpes too.
12:27 assbot Brenda Blog | ~ Not your average bitcoin girl ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVpLrs )
12:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:27 nubbins` ;;calc 60*28
12:27 gribble 1680
12:27 ascii_field ben_vulpes: 'meep' electromagnetic... << i must confess that i never tried
12:27 mircea_popescu nubbins` here's the kicker : "If your company meets theses requirements, fill in the form below and we'll be in..."
12:27 nubbins` lel
12:27 nubbins` requirements: must want $5mn+
12:28 ascii_field encryption-as-a-service << that has to be a piece from 'the onion'
12:28 nubbins` marriage consummation as a service
12:28 ascii_field ^
12:28 nubbins` ^ this, i WILL accept outside funding
12:28 ascii_field supposedly, quasi-mythically, existed on some pacific island
12:29 nubbins` was it the one where they used wood^H^H^H^Hstone bitcoin
12:29 mircea_popescu ascii_field remember how some idiot was offering this in 2012 and we laughed him out ? well... the vc circus picked it up. because that's what they do, they feed off our offal.
12:30 nubbins` http://imgur.com/GYNidM1
12:30 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/18xMlIW )
12:30 nubbins` pat canning, what an artist
12:33 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: her sense of humor is my cup of tea
12:33 thestringpuller I wonder if she'll come to the conference
12:34 ascii_field mircea_popescu: they feed off it, yes, and i suppose they split its atoms because they are very well-fed from it.
12:34 mircea_popescu thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-112020 i suspect hte answer is "definitely".
12:34 assbot The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVrflA )
12:34 mircea_popescu hey, maybe you two could get together! token black guy with token TV hitching it at 3rd conference'd be the tits.
12:35 nubbins` mircea_popescu "Bitcoin es una forma de arte superior"
12:35 nubbins` now you know how i ended up here ;p
12:35 mircea_popescu nubbins` i happen to agree, fwiwi.
12:36 mircea_popescu ahahaha. so that makes three of us, like supermajority of those that got it ?
12:37 nubbins` while i reserve the term "elegance" for things much, much simpler in execution than the flaming turdball of code, it completely applies to Bitcooin as a concept
12:37 mircea_popescu well, let me put it this way :
12:38 mircea_popescu you write a play, and this company wants to do it. they're an odd couple really, not much of a staging company. he's on three different mental meds, she's a crack whore. they make the scenery out of chewed up used tissue.
12:38 mircea_popescu now, if your play manages to shine through all that and bring down the house
12:38 nubbins` what a play it must be!
12:38 mircea_popescu i'm calling it elegant. because fuck you, i'm a dragon and im out of words.
12:39 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's rather reminiscent of the first h-bomb. the one that needed a dedicated building with h2 liquifaction cryoplant
12:39 nubbins` no joke, in my cubicle life, the christmas social/dinner/dance was called (i'm really not making this up) an ELEGANZA.
12:39 mircea_popescu ahahaha. buncha octogenarian canadians!
12:40 ascii_field it is interesting to contemplate what 'cold war' would have looked like if the portable variant had never been built
12:40 mircea_popescu ascii_field yup
12:40 ascii_field where h-bomb is either a fat ship or stationary on land
12:40 nubbins` stationary ones much less useful as offensive weapons
12:40 mircea_popescu altho natural engineering has over software engineering this marked advantage, that the horse will throw you off, whereas epistula non erubescit.
12:40 ascii_field nubbins`: not necessarily. can always build it in the enemy's capital, a bit at a time
12:41 mircea_popescu ascii_field that only works in dreams.
12:41 nubbins` worked for tiananmen square ;p
12:41 nubbins` granted, that was a statue, not a compicated piece of machinery
12:41 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it works, sorta, if parts fit in diplo-pouches
12:41 nubbins` lead-shielded diplo-pouches
12:41 ascii_field (it is widely believed that us embassy in ru, and ru in us, contain nyookz)
12:42 mircea_popescu it's not a matter of, couldn't, physically, be done. it's a matter of couldn't socially be done.
12:42 mircea_popescu much the same reason vc idiots could do anything, choose to feed off our discarded tissue
12:42 mircea_popescu (if anyone still wondered what the crab bus was a metaphor for)
12:42 ascii_field what next, argue that dung beetle should eat fillet mignon? he does just fine with shit
12:42 mircea_popescu so do your people.
12:43 mircea_popescu which is why they're not doing this, or any other of a number of plans that start with
12:43 mircea_popescu "first, you need X smart, determined people"
12:43 ascii_field l0l
12:43 mircea_popescu the smart are undetermined. the determined are busy playing football.
12:43 mircea_popescu only so much bw in the neural stem.
12:44 nubbins` http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/212/a/a/tardigrade_propaganda_4_by_theophontes-d598ubp.jpg
12:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVtmWs )
12:44 nubbins` tardigrades make me feel funny
12:44 ascii_field as al schwartz put it, 'don't invest if the conveyor has to be staffed with ph.d.'s'
12:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89513 @ 0.00032515 = 29.1052 BTC [+] {2}
12:47 nubbins` http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1001206,00.html
12:47 assbot Was Russia Hiding an Atom Bomb at Embassy in Washington? - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/18xQPPJ )
12:47 danielpbarron !up Bagels7
12:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053934 almost htere.
12:49 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:15:49; danielpbarron: height=280974 vs height=210695
12:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053939 << shut up it's handlasered.
12:49 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:27:22; nubbins`: "rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O
12:49 nubbins` haha
12:49 nubbins` don't even get me started on the fucking civet coffee
12:50 nubbins` (know what doesn't produce good coffee? force-feeding cherries to parasite-infested weasels)
12:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053950 << seems to be working nao!
12:50 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:51:56; davout: o a scoopbot
12:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053968 << ahaha
12:51 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:57:47; nubbins`: FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame)
12:52 mircea_popescu ascii_field : "Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht"
12:52 ascii_field wat.
12:52 mircea_popescu there you go. culture war : won. only took like 3-4 years, too.
12:52 ascii_field 'won' is when enemy sits down on stake
12:52 mircea_popescu if anyone's not petrified in fear yet, it'd be because they're either innocent or an imbecile.
12:52 mircea_popescu culture war not buttsex war yo.
12:52 ascii_field not 'made fun of half-heartedly in film'
12:52 mircea_popescu not what happened there by any stretch.
12:56 nubbins` "mainstream production"
12:56 nubbins` lel
12:56 nubbins` http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935664/#director
12:56 assbot Alex Winter - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVw5iI )
12:56 nubbins` just look at all those things you've heard of
13:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00032643 = 10.0704 BTC [+]
13:04 nubbins` !up ascii_field
13:04 nubbins` ;;calc 60*30
13:04 gribble 1800
13:04 nubbins` ascii_field you're set for the day
13:04 nubbins` or until my computer sleeps
13:05 ascii_field ty nubbins`.
13:05 * ascii_field finally caught up on log, even
13:06 nubbins` log would make a worthy tome, if one were able to sieve it first
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13:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053996 << comes with bikini wax ?
13:06 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 15:08:58; dignork: Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe.
13:06 mircea_popescu nubbins` prolly bitcoin code easier.
13:06 nubbins` nod
13:06 nubbins` none of it really makes sense w/o vexual, for example
13:06 nubbins` XD
13:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053999 << you'll prolly enjoy http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/eyeargon.pdf then
13:07 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 15:13:00; *: Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage
13:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVyiLd )
13:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054006 << austerastimulity.
13:08 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 15:31:30; PeterL: got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/
13:08 ascii_field mircea_popescu: argon << ultra-famous
13:08 mircea_popescu ascii_field only among a tiny group :)
13:08 ascii_field author confessed shortly before died, iirc
13:08 nubbins` mircea_popescu peterL i took a 90% pay cut in 2013 when switching careers 8)
13:08 mircea_popescu wasnt author like 17 at the time ?
13:08 ascii_field sumthinglikethat
13:08 mircea_popescu nubbins` so did i, but a decade prior.
13:09 nubbins` makes you fight, neh?
13:09 mircea_popescu of course pay was mostly hookers and blow anyway, best for health
13:09 mircea_popescu my bp took a 50% intima cut.
13:09 mircea_popescu i, in all honesty and no exageration whatsoever, averaged 220-230/110 bp for about a decade.
13:10 mircea_popescu to the degree i had a heart specialist following me around.
13:10 ascii_field like brezhnev, l0l
13:10 mircea_popescu what srsly ?
13:10 ascii_field aha
13:10 ascii_field but he was, what, 80
13:10 mircea_popescu i did not know that.
13:11 mircea_popescu weird. wild.
13:11 ascii_field the doctor-following-around part
13:11 ascii_field no idea what his vital stats were
13:11 mircea_popescu oh
13:11 mircea_popescu oddly enough it seems to have left no sechellae
13:11 ascii_field mr o incidentally goes nowhere without ambulance, complete with blinkenlights
13:11 mircea_popescu ya but he's an idiot.
13:11 ascii_field afaik - sop
13:11 ascii_field gwb had one for sure
13:12 mircea_popescu also.,
13:12 nubbins` i thought that was because he couldn't stay away from the pretzels
13:13 mircea_popescu who, brejnev ?
13:13 nubbins` gwb
13:13 nubbins` or, as he knew them, the dread PRETZELCOATL
13:13 mircea_popescu ahahaha
13:13 nubbins` feathered bread-monster of antiquity
13:13 mircea_popescu anyway, im taking chetty out for sushi, ttyl.
13:13 nubbins` remember: ceviche is only raw in name!
13:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50139 @ 0.00032436 = 16.2631 BTC [-]
13:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00032326 = 16.9227 BTC [-] {2}
13:33 funkenstein_ http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/american-amoeba/
13:33 assbot American Amoeba | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVDoa4 )
13:34 nubbins` !up ascii_field
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13:53 funkenstein_ !up OneNomos
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14:09 thestringpuller mod6: trap star just came on pandora. dat #tm101
14:21 mod6 :]
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14:38 davout justusranvier seems to a whole new level in derpitude
14:39 davout http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33594885/
14:39 assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMJ57s )
14:39 trinque davout: deedbot doesn't announce URLs yet, so... *ding!* http://deedbot.org/347883-1HkMQ2Zj1qwLtRLoMTugVpzYkBvQzjB9pj.txt
14:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMJg2S )
14:40 davout trinque: gracias, pls to lemme know when it has a nice interface and rounded corners
14:41 trinque soon as I find a moment for sanding
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14:42 davout does it also have a written procedure on how to verify deeds by hand?
14:44 davout in other words, how do i access the bundle from a deed ?
14:44 davout or was that URL a bundle and not just a deed?
14:44 trinque that URL is a bundle
14:44 trinque curl <url> | sha256sum
14:45 trinque that's what I'm using as the private key to generate the address
14:47 davout alrighty
14:47 davout ty!
14:47 trinque no problem
14:56 dignork mircea_popescu: comes with bikini wax << maybe PA's for high-ranked officers, dunno any of them.
15:04 davout trinque: looks like it all works correctly
15:04 trinque davout: cool! glad to get someone else's eyes on it
15:13 davout trinque: what happens if the same deed is submitted mutliple times?
15:18 davout question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite
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15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00031597 = 18.1051 BTC [-] {2}
15:18 danielpbarron !up Uglux
15:20 trinque davout: it will only eat deeds signed by assbot's L1 or L2
15:20 trinque does not currently do anything to prevent the same signed messages from being submitted twice
15:20 trinque imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers
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15:20 Adlai does it only accept deeds from authed members of L1/2 ?
15:22 trinque hmmm... actually you guys have a point
15:22 Adlai replay attacks would still be possible, but by limiting submissions to authed L<3, you at least have somebody to punish
15:22 trinque this is why I've been running publish manually and seeing what people have added
15:23 Adlai that's no way to run an automated system :P
15:23 davout Adlai: you don't really want to depend on the submitter being authed i'd say
15:23 Adlai you could also just drop duplicates
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15:23 trinque I could just turn off the PM support
15:23 trinque and require all interaction be done here
15:24 Adlai that has the advantage of accelerating shared learning
15:24 davout turning off pm support would be the simplest way
15:25 trinque Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make
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15:25 * Adlai originally wrote 'no way to build', then choose 'run' intentionally
15:25 trinque well, when you guys start paying me for this, I'll feel worse about it
15:26 davout for every automatic thing, there's a computer doing it manually :D
15:29 Adlai and Cyberdyne Systems are justa buncha freedom fighters
15:30 * Adlai ... is part of 'you guys'? :o
15:31 Adlai last i checked, i'm the guy saying that the way mircea_popescu specified deedbot is silly
15:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00031604 = 19.4681 BTC [+] {3}
15:38 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/trollaxor/status/577547355282632704
15:38 assbot you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash
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15:40 trinque was going to ask Adlai why he thought so, but.. vanished!
15:40 trinque danielpbarron: openbsd lol?
15:40 danielpbarron lol.
15:40 trinque is that a markov tweetbot?
15:41 trinque apparantly not
15:43 danielpbarron found it from those articles bingo linked me to yesterday
15:44 danielpbarron the guy apparently liked OpenBSD until he learned about Theo
15:45 danielpbarron he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead
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15:45 danielpbarron because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something
15:46 trinque having an opinionated ass at the top is a feature
15:47 danielpbarron tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old
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15:47 trinque may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished
15:48 trinque http://www.trollaxor.com/2015/02/openbsd-fact-check-use-or-not-use-test.html << what the fuck are these slides
15:48 assbot trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ax3tFY )
15:48 trinque the guy is illiterate
15:49 trinque I guess he's trying to be cute?
15:49 trinque scares me the kind of poorly tuned brains running around with fat stacks of USD
15:50 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
15:50 danielpbarron trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source
15:50 trinque oh god
15:51 ascii_field may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa
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15:51 mats high drama
15:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50724 @ 0.00032479 = 16.4746 BTC [+]
15:59 ascii_field possibly i ought to explain. point being that folks are vastly underestimating strength of the enemy
16:00 ascii_field yes, '...the ogre cannot master speech' - but it's an ogre - a bloodthirsty giant
16:00 ascii_field a still largely-intact giant, still walking around and smashing things
16:01 ascii_field and on his shoulders armies of demented midgets ride
16:03 trinque ascii_field: from a perspective it's entirely irrational to have any hope at all; after all, one dies at the end.
16:03 trinque not being flippant, it's a fact
16:04 ascii_field trinque: the hope can only be about outliving the enemy
16:04 trinque given that, ogre or no, my mind will still hum battle songs of an army that does not yet exist
16:11 danielpbarron !up _FeltPen
16:12 ascii_field because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something << reminds, of course, of:
16:12 ascii_field !s stotting
16:12 assbot 11 results for 'stotting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stotting
16:13 ascii_field (which in my own mental habit i usually think of as 'peacocking', because it is an even more obvious animal to illustrate the concept with)
16:14 ascii_field or mircea_popescu's 'sprezzatura' - for that matter
16:16 ascii_field sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers'
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16:17 ascii_field as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace (too many hills? swamp? use imagination)
16:17 ascii_field so instead of actually racing, folks start to show off their strength by competing who can walk normally for the longest time with a knapsack full of crap
16:20 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
16:21 danielpbarron so apparently the weak point in the old iMacs was the hard drive
16:22 danielpbarron two out of two i've looked at have bad disks; one doesn't think it even has a hard drive anymore
16:24 ascii_field when buying old machine 1) backup bitwise 2) ssd
16:24 ascii_field ( 1) is for boxes that need the vendor's turdware, naturally. can skip if not. )
16:25 danielpbarron i'm just now realizing that one looks tampered with -- the hard drive might have been removed by previous owner
16:26 danielpbarron other than that they appear to work fine. xfce on openbsd is a nice fit with the apple style
16:29 davout danielpbarron: iirc imacs have special disks with apple-specific temperature sensors or w/e
16:29 davout if you replace the stock one it'll keep the fan running thinking it's over heating
16:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00031847 = 4.1242 BTC [-]
16:32 trinque ascii_field | as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace << starving for a real challenge; I think so
16:32 trinque and mostly without knowing they are
16:35 trinque yeah that's interesting; it's a sort of degenerate state of a very healthy urge to have a pissing match
16:35 ascii_field trinque: see old book, 'the human zoo', for a more complete version of this hypothesis
16:36 ascii_field (d. morris)
16:36 trinque ascii_field: found, ty
16:36 trinque reminds me that the mongols had a slur to refer to city-dwellers
16:36 trinque saw them as livestock
16:39 mircea_popescu not mine by any means. the duke of este's.
16:39 ascii_field well yeah
16:39 ascii_field but described in recent mircea_popescu article
16:39 mircea_popescu :p
16:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19426 @ 0.00032479 = 6.3094 BTC [+]
16:40 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ so, i got logs ?
16:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.01001 = 1.1812 BTC [-] {2}
16:42 thestringpuller ascii_field: we are all meat puppets
16:42 thestringpuller no one pulls their own strings
16:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054191 << yeah the blocks list as discussed!!11
16:42 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 18:41:11; trinque: soon as I find a moment for sanding
16:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054210 << doens't really need any handling past that imo.
16:43 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:20:51; trinque: imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers
16:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054205 << nope. listens in here.
16:45 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:18:07; davout: question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite
16:45 mircea_popescu there's no "private notarization"
16:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054217 << he doesn't have teh authority to do that, tho.
16:46 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:23:51; Adlai: you could also just drop duplicates
16:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054222 << happens to be the exactly only correct way to run automated systems at first.
16:46 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:25:02; trinque: Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make
16:46 funkenstein_ mircea_popescu, big stack of logs for you. I keep them dry until you tell me where you want them.
16:46 mircea_popescu splendid. specifically, what is it, 300k ?
16:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054231 << nonsense. trust is not something that can be derived programatically. whether a guy is black or not, whether an institution is segregated or not has no impact on whether you can trust them.
16:48 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:38:54; assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash
16:48 funkenstein_ and 300300.3003003
16:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054239 << "almost donated" ? cool lol.
16:49 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:45:29; danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead
16:49 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ cool. curious what comes of this.
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60263 @ 0.00032518 = 19.5963 BTC [+] {2}
16:50 funkenstein_ me too :) 100k blocks reached today, reward is 10 LOG per block
16:50 mircea_popescu speaking of wood, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f89886e82be5610fa7df59542fb8357d/tumblr_n193b8VAKq1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg
16:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkaRix )
16:53 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you probably should get those various links fixed.
16:55 funkenstein_ in woodcoin documentation stuff?
16:57 funkenstein_ maybe i should make a real website
16:57 mircea_popescu http://thirstforfire.com/ stuff
16:57 assbot Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkc3SX )
16:57 mircea_popescu was another one also linked there
16:59 funkenstein_ taking links down, thanks
16:59 funkenstein_ not my stuff there
16:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054242 << actually, being in a venue where "the medium is the message" is absolutely required for someone who has no message past being part of the median.
16:59 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:47:05; danielpbarron: tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old
17:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00032643 = 18.7697 BTC [+]
17:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054252 << yes, but then again you're not a sadist, you're a masochist.
17:00 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:51:07; ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa
17:00 mircea_popescu so you're just being optimistic in your own way :D
17:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054269 << essentially yes. it's a result of social dislocation at the top brought about by sudden technological advance that's poorly digested.
17:03 assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 20:16:50; ascii_field: sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers'
17:04 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
17:05 mircea_popescu i wonder how many times alf's been impersonated as ascii_field so far
17:05 ascii_field 'masochist: whip me, whip me! sadist: no...'
17:05 ascii_field mircea_popescu: impersonated... << the real one will presumably say something. ergo impostor, if impostor, is doing precisely what real one wishes.
17:06 mircea_popescu hehe
17:08 mircea_popescu so i'm going to rewrite tlp's short story with the druggie in a moment.
17:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83650 @ 0.00032358 = 27.0675 BTC [-] {2}
17:13 BingoBoingo <danielpbarron> he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead << That part seems to have been totally just a troll hob
17:14 BingoBoingo danielpbarron> trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source << When someone seems this committed to a troll job you can't take them at face value
17:20 funkenstein_ old fiat misallocated? stop the press
17:23 funkenstein_ sometimes you have to celebrate if anybody at all gets to spend it
17:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00032643 = 19.3899 BTC [+]
17:31 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
17:31 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.03, Best ask: 291.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 291.07, 24 hour volume: 23083.07900202, 24 hour low: 285.7, 24 hour high: 295.2, 24 hour vwap: None
17:42 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/australian-drug-trafficker-sentenced-to-12-years-prison/
17:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00032643 = 12.9593 BTC [+]
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00032655 = 21.6503 BTC [+] {2}
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8518 @ 0.00031921 = 2.719 BTC [-] {2}
17:59 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/coinbase-compliance-chief-resigns/
17:59 BingoBoingo http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33602678/ << Look who'd citing qntra nao
17:59 assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqOOeP )
18:03 mircea_popescu btw, i finally found the source of that debate we had earlier as to how powerful a chimp is etc.
18:03 mircea_popescu you see, when i see chimp i think of bonobos. which... whatever, you could eat one raw.
18:04 mircea_popescu you good folk apparently think of the robust chimp, the OTHER species of pan
18:05 BingoBoingo Oh, so you associated chimp with the harmless species that just lez's out all the time.
18:08 mircea_popescu basically.
18:09 mircea_popescu would have never probably happened if phys antrhopologist person didn't read and go "dude, that's the other one!"
18:09 mircea_popescu "what other one?!"
18:09 mircea_popescu "you know, the one that's like a gorilla"
18:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98538 @ 0.00031224 = 30.7675 BTC [-] {2}
18:12 Adlai ;;google dance monkeys dance
18:12 gribble Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline: <http://www.ernestcline.com/dmd/>; Dance monkeys dance - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLNA7MRdjlw>; Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGphsPOHi2M>
18:26 cazalla i swear if and when bitcoin hits astronomical heights, imma start the chimp ufc
18:27 Adlai <insert joke about "dag" fights and blockchains>
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51221 @ 0.0003128 = 16.0219 BTC [+]
18:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4761 @ 0.0003128 = 1.4892 BTC [+]
18:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175250 @ 0.00031946 = 55.9854 BTC [+] {3}
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19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177400 @ 0.00031293 = 55.5138 BTC [-] {5}
19:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41378 @ 0.00030897 = 12.7846 BTC [-] {2}
19:15 BingoBoingo !up royokou
19:25 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-trip-you-may-have-taken-redux/
19:25 mircea_popescu !up mogreen
19:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00032055 = 20.996 BTC [+] {2}
19:44 asciilifeform http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33602678 << big moment in the history of that particular set of idiots. they will putter around with 'remote attestation' crap and will end with an inevitable 'most of the nodes are not True Nodes, a True Node is this here sealed crate from us, just plug it in'
19:44 assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/18zm0Kh )
19:46 funkenstein_ what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible?
19:46 asciilifeform is it just me or is it hilariously funny that folks working with (or pretending to, whatever) with bitcoin - the only thing that ever solved 'sybil problem' -for the one case for which it is solvable- -- is spewing this kind of nonsense ?
19:47 asciilifeform funkenstein_: anything involving hard time-bounds on a packet-switched net is lunacy
19:47 asciilifeform funkenstein_: the real purpose of this 'proposal', if it has a purpose, is 'let's keep thinking about how to kill nodes not controlled by Phoundation'
19:48 funkenstein_ hmm my instinct was it didn't seem possible
19:48 funkenstein_ he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them
19:49 asciilifeform funkenstein_: have to understand that what comes out of these people makes considerably more sense once you understand what the one and only 'problem' they ever try to 'solve' really is.
19:49 asciilifeform (to be fair, there are actually two of them. one is -- distracting actual people from actual work with the noise.)
19:51 funkenstein_ guess they got us then :)
19:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.0003119 = 16.6867 BTC [-]
19:53 BingoBoingo <funkenstein_> what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible? << Serigo is great at inventing problems. So good that many of his suggested fixes are still bigger problems as in this case
19:57 funkenstein_ i think you have a point. seems like a really good abstract thinker but sometimes you want a dumb network
20:02 decimation asciilifeform: have you read some of the research under the heading "delay tolerant networking"
20:03 BingoBoingo http://www.openbsd.org/papers/httpd-slides-asiabsdcon2015.pdf
20:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18zpwoe )
20:03 decimation nasa et.al. spend money on usg think tanks to try to come up with a protocol that will magically switch between store-and-forward and low-latency as the channel permits
20:03 mircea_popescu !up Asenath
20:04 mircea_popescu jurov on it
20:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform forced mistakes are forced and mistaken.
20:05 mircea_popescu <funkenstein_> he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them << you have to understand this is now, thanks to moldbug et all, an internet pose.
20:06 mircea_popescu there's no substance to it past getting you to say that, just like there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people to buy shit.
20:08 decimation http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~augustin/pub/chaintreau08opportunistic.pdf < interestingly, 'gossip-based' has become a buzzword in some of this network research
20:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18zqukn )
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20:39 mircea_popescu http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/95953789878/chapter-2-in-which-i-remember-why-i-hated-this << ahahaha is it this fucking bad ?!
20:39 assbot Wading In — Chapter 2, in which I remember why I hated this ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Iuxj )
20:39 mircea_popescu "You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That’s not just an arbitrary rule, it’s implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling!”
20:39 mircea_popescu this is a better meme than fu im a dragon.
20:42 mircea_popescu "I read the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could talk to several of the commentators, and gently talk them out of a poor financial decision.
20:42 mircea_popescu Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save the world. Even if you grant all their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers than the average physics graduate student does while in grad school."
20:43 mircea_popescu aww.
20:53 BingoBoingo The woodchipper fanfic was better
20:55 mircea_popescu i am slowly and unpleasantly realising that there will be no end of these ignare cvasi-intellectuals.
20:56 mircea_popescu every year shall bring more yarvin, yakudsky, yaranidiot.
20:57 mircea_popescu i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system" that fails to teach anything but manages to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations.
20:57 mircea_popescu nevertheless... good god, i need more hemlock.
20:57 BingoBoingo !b 3
20:57 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHPQH3.txt )
20:59 mircea_popescu where the fuck are the people holding up signs with "you are stupid" to raise awareness ?
20:59 mircea_popescu that's a topic that desperately needs awareness, the bezzle's nothing compared to the igzzle.
21:00 mircea_popescu if you add all the money people think they're worth, and divide by all the value that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of the process.
21:00 mircea_popescu however, if you add all the smarts people assign themselves and divide by the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so total iq points available for the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity.
21:02 mircea_popescu and THAT is sure as fuck not implied by the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included.
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21:19 funkenstein_ fractional reserver brain power. just getting it.
21:20 * funkenstein_ slow as fuck
21:22 mircea_popescu exactly what it is. backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the usg, in the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard, The Stanford Agency scl etc.
21:23 funkenstein_ the paper belt
21:23 mircea_popescu and this schmuck didn't even go to school!
21:23 mircea_popescu it's so fucking pervasive by now, they can extract it by simple aculturation.
21:24 funkenstein_ the academic bullshit goes way back
21:24 mircea_popescu never before have i realised the wisdom of the jews / early christians in keeping the books under key.
21:26 funkenstein_ ?
21:27 funkenstein_ just to make more of a challenge for us?
21:28 mircea_popescu no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a trivial task, which will then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything.
21:30 funkenstein_ hmm.. more likely they were just the same kind of people who enjoy their power as academics today
21:30 mircea_popescu the same insane behaviour exhibited by "bitcoin entrepreneurs" as summed up in http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ is what drives ykwhatever to falsely believe he has understood something about statistics / has anything meaningful to say
21:30 assbot Who made this ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZgSB )
21:30 mircea_popescu "about science"
21:31 mircea_popescu of course this argument falls apart once one considers that - according to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as they muck it up.
21:32 thestringpuller dr. funkenstein straight from george clinton's mothership
21:32 mircea_popescu but still, hot damn, semidoctus is becoming a byword for homo interneticus.
21:32 funkenstein_ the bigger the headache the bigger the pill
21:33 funkenstein_ you give us a chance we will get it wrong. that's why it is so important to have those stupid signs up you mentioned.
21:39 funkenstein_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1s1DOUNA-g
21:39 assbot PEAK DUMB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErOelH )
21:40 thestringpuller re: who made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0g_85WTGIM "How did you get this show?" "Carrot Top turned it down."
21:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1692 @ 0.00398401 = 6.7409 BTC [-]
21:47 mircea_popescu lol
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22:15 * asciilifeform would point out that 'turned into small cat' does not have to violate conservation laws if cat is peculiarly dense, or if the excess mass had been teleported a room away (which in itself does not have to violate conservation) -- but this is probably not what the thing was about
22:17 mircea_popescu actually the cat doesn't even have to be dense per se, it could just be very hot.
22:17 mircea_popescu or... spinning real fast.
22:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more.. << give the charlatans some credit here. yudkowsky, for instance, carefully disassembled the broken husk of christianity and soldered all the loose pieces together in a way that it sorta runs again for folks on the right half of bell curve
22:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have little to no evidence of this. all i see is the text, and the text is truely appalling.
22:18 mircea_popescu yes, maybe he writes like an idiot on purpose.
22:19 asciilifeform he convinced folks with some education in the physical sciences, even to believe in immortality ('ancestor sims', 'nanotech'); deities ('jupiter brains', 'superintelligence') and even immortal soul ('coherent extrapolated volition')
22:19 asciilifeform he writes 'down' to the audience
22:19 asciilifeform to reel people in
22:19 mircea_popescu it seems improbable, much like crack whores are rarely sober actresses practicing.
22:19 asciilifeform the man knows precisely what he's doing
22:19 mircea_popescu listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following the child prophet is no proof of the child's anything.
22:19 asciilifeform in fact, he is so confident that he's been known to accept public debate. might even show up here if somebody really wants.
22:20 mircea_popescu it's just proof that people are endlessly stupid on their own terms.
22:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not going by the crowd, but by having actually read everything the fella wrote 1997-2009 or so
22:20 mircea_popescu debate as to what ? there's no point of contention.
22:20 asciilifeform the only point i can see in contention is whether mr y 'drinks own kool-aid' or not
22:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you saying he's just a very inept writer of [fan]fiction ?
22:21 mircea_popescu lol that'd be a debate. which side is he to take ?
22:21 asciilifeform possibly the 'has' ?
22:21 asciilifeform (it would be interesting if not!)
22:21 asciilifeform the fanfic thing is one of the pieces i have -not- read.
22:21 mircea_popescu ah.
22:21 asciilifeform so cannot comment usefully.
22:22 mircea_popescu it's... bad. it's bad in a literary sense, and it's arguably worse in a science sense.
22:22 mircea_popescu one could read treatises on learned topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800 to about the same effect.
22:22 mircea_popescu heavy on the sauce, no real meat to speak of.
22:23 asciilifeform mr y seems quite clever so long as he has the sense to stay away from actual mechanisms and physical world in general where if 'your hands grow from your arse' you tend to lose them in the gears.
22:23 asciilifeform story time:
22:23 asciilifeform mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers
22:24 mircea_popescu did it have submarines ?
22:24 asciilifeform it was rather like a bad ('70s-style) lispalike with xml (yes, xml) for all forms
22:24 asciilifeform for all expressions, rather
22:24 asciilifeform xml in place of sexprs.
22:24 asciilifeform thing was called 'flare'
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22:24 mircea_popescu i guess...
22:24 asciilifeform and you will not see any of his groupies mention it. ever.
22:25 asciilifeform (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing)
22:25 mircea_popescu lol you know the portrait that emerges is exactly that of the sort of kid i'd bust the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ?
22:26 asciilifeform the thing he's very good at is plagiarism
22:26 mircea_popescu http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/ < this thing ?
22:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWkWz5 )
22:26 asciilifeform and ends up seeming quite clever by lifting various ideas and 'explaining'
22:26 mircea_popescu it just sounds like, where's that 2nd hand source brb
22:26 asciilifeform ;;google detached lever fallacy
22:26 gribble Detached Lever Fallacy - Less Wrong: <http://lesswrong.com/lw/sp/detached_lever_fallacy/>; Category:Fallacies - Lesswrongwiki: <http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Category:Fallacies>; Magic - Lesswrongwiki: <http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Magic>
22:26 asciilifeform ^ example
22:26 mircea_popescu "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
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22:26 mircea_popescu d I’m too intelligent to look up to my parents the way that children are designed to do. My parents love me, but they don’t feel obliged to respond to reason, and sometimes I feel like they’re the children - children who won’t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I try not to be too bitter about it, but I also try to be honest with myself, so, yes, I’m bitter.
22:27 mircea_popescu then merge that with the "i failed and so nobody else should try it!" reversal of the "i tried and thus no one should criticize me" insanity...
22:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know that's an age honored thing in usia. which is why all the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or to stupid parents in the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ?
22:28 asciilifeform 'always it is the thief who cries - stop, thief!' or how did it go
22:28 mircea_popescu that's what ted is, but it didn't start there. that's what http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ is and what mormonism is and puritanism and the us army and generally...
22:28 assbot Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWllkX )
22:28 mircea_popescu it's all lifted.
22:29 mircea_popescu or as that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ"
22:29 asciilifeform in all fairness, how could it be anything else? not being a historic culture and all
22:29 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with it, as a process, but the acultural approach to it... o brother.
22:29 mircea_popescu right, that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all the pretense around it ? y ?
22:30 mircea_popescu "Jumping off the
22:30 mircea_popescu extensibility of XML,
22:30 mircea_popescu the flexibility of the underlying
22:30 mircea_popescu representation enables Flare to do
22:30 mircea_popescu several fundamental things in
22:31 mircea_popescu fundamentally different ways."
22:31 mircea_popescu ^ check it out, it allowed them to mix text with display rules, because xml.
22:31 asciilifeform obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.''
22:32 mircea_popescu Flare.org domain donated courtesy of ePoet.com
22:32 mircea_popescu o.O
22:32 mircea_popescu "Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both the program and the program data are represented as lists. In Flare, the program and program data, and ideally the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added to any parent element without destroying the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element types can be
22:32 mircea_popescu easily created), these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs."
22:33 mircea_popescu this just broke my head. seriously ?!
22:33 mircea_popescu in what complang is it the case that you can't add stuff to code ?!
22:33 asciilifeform ^ the stuck-capslock 'LISP' is an almost foolproof leper's bell of folks whose knowledge of the subject comes from 1970s encyclopaedia article
22:34 asciilifeform (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it)
22:34 mircea_popescu how old was he when doing this flare thing ?
22:35 mircea_popescu If the Flare interpreter knows that "human" is a class defined in the module "people", then it knows to expect that the tag "arms" refers to an instance member with numeric content. This is how the Flare interpreter knows that 2 means the number 2 and not the string "2".
22:35 mircea_popescu ^ almost as painful to read as his fiction.
22:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family
22:35 mircea_popescu is the above quote included in your "read all" ?
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36213 @ 0.00032207 = 11.6631 BTC [+] {2}
22:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: last i saw this crap, it was a series of forum posts...
22:35 * asciilifeform out of the loop for a good long spell
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the language is the message, here. guy's not writing down to anyone but himself.
22:36 asciilifeform i don't even know that this brochure was crapped out by mr y himself
22:36 mircea_popescu "Not written by Dmitriy Myshkin."
22:37 mircea_popescu in any case, .ro space has a coupla of these, "artists" that wish to be philosophers/scientists. the result is endless lol fountain.
22:37 asciilifeform in the spirit of mrs. ceausescu ?
22:37 mircea_popescu nah, in the spirit of mr pecuchet
22:38 mircea_popescu ceausescu was a shoemaker.
22:39 asciilifeform thinking of the woman
22:39 mircea_popescu ah. she was a common whore.
22:39 mircea_popescu unlike argentina's, she wasn't pretty, either
22:40 mircea_popescu (tho i don't find evita peron pretty, but hey)
22:40 asciilifeform whore who walked around collecting 'honorary diplomas' in chemistry
22:40 mircea_popescu point being, artist.
22:40 asciilifeform while actual chemists cringed, bit tongues
22:40 mircea_popescu i dunno if you know this sort - often comes out at the beach. tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into the distance a lot.
22:40 mircea_popescu sorta emo-precursor.
22:41 decimation re: education < http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-home-schooling/ < apparently Thiel et.al. were educated in a Montessori school (which was a crazy idea invented by a random italian chick) to let kids decide for themselves "how to be schooled"
22:41 assbot The Techies Who Are Hacking Education by Homeschooling Their Kids | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWn4qs )
22:41 mircea_popescu very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well... the gals are itching for a trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt.
22:41 asciilifeform decimation: iirc 'montessori' is done to very young, elementary grade pupils only
22:41 mircea_popescu yeah, it's extended kindergarten
22:42 mircea_popescu (dunno about yer lands, but that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish)
22:42 decimation heh no they do high school now
22:43 mircea_popescu nuts.
22:43 mircea_popescu ok alf, I got it. here it is :
22:43 mircea_popescu This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE.
22:43 mircea_popescu [...]
22:43 mircea_popescu I’m not sure why you’d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other than its the theme of this chapter. ”If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of them” seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim.
22:43 decimation exampe > http://www.schoolofthewoods.org/
22:43 assbot School of the Woods - Montessori - Established 1962 - preK thru 12 Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWnptc )
22:44 mircea_popescu so your theory'd be, fitting with the above, that this is what they called a "sensitive child" who is trying to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science to play the role of a sort of marketing ?
22:45 asciilifeform approximately.
22:45 mircea_popescu reads to me more like a cry for help.
22:45 mircea_popescu "mommy look how fucking stupid i'm being, help me!"
22:46 asciilifeform whatever it was a cry for, it werked - mr y has a rotating harem, a flat in san fran, and a phoundation to invoice for the lot - and i don't
22:47 asciilifeform so yes, i l0l, but sc4mz0r sp4mz like a pr0
22:48 mircea_popescu what's a rotating harem ?
22:48 asciilifeform the kind mircea_popescu has
22:48 mircea_popescu wait. wut ?
22:48 asciilifeform where younger gurlz rotated in, etc
22:48 * asciilifeform not sure of the correct term of art
22:48 mircea_popescu you're basically saying he's having a lot of sex ?
22:48 asciilifeform sex he doesn't have to go shopping for
22:49 * asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art
22:50 mircea_popescu might be "dating"
22:50 decimation re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent
22:50 decimation when it had long ago expired
22:50 asciilifeform wai wat
22:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow!
22:51 asciilifeform (no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof)
22:51 decimation asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this
22:51 mircea_popescu "I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events.
22:53 mircea_popescu so is, for instance, her : http://40.media.tumblr.com/fc9005c0f6ad1619a382f70c2796027e/tumblr_msbf0u15E61rmm9buo1_500.jpg
22:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWoQYC )
22:53 decimation mircea_popescu: snake-oil sales for 'business seminars' is quite big business
22:54 asciilifeform if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation
22:54 mircea_popescu well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume
22:54 asciilifeform and - it works
22:54 mircea_popescu and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything
22:54 asciilifeform (-somebody- is paying his bills)
22:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he could say the same about you.
22:54 asciilifeform exactly the same
22:55 decimation re: mr y. < are you sure it's gurlz instead of boyz?
22:55 asciilifeform except that mr y is a much more talented whore than yours truly
22:55 mircea_popescu this pov where women without further specification are somehow valuable still boggles me.
22:55 asciilifeform the kind that is a couplea-zeroes apart
22:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how do you know this ?
22:55 * asciilifeform has insufficient data for specification
22:56 * asciilifeform has very few items that rise to the level of 'knowledge' about mr y, mainly thirdhand rumour
22:56 mircea_popescu i think you drastically overestimate the well being of others. but at least it's consistent with the meta nsa/lizard hitler outlook.
22:57 asciilifeform -somebody- flies first class and sleeps ad libitum
22:57 ben_vulpes if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler
22:57 ben_vulpes and damn his eyes for it!
22:57 ben_vulpes or anyone who might.
22:57 asciilifeform His Reptilian Majesty!
22:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd ask how you know this, but i'll let it slide :D
22:57 decimation asciilifeform: I'm not sure about that. it seems to me that the us is all about everyone trying to keep everyone else from doing exactly that
22:59 decimation the rhetoric in the us tends toward "a rising tide lifts all boats" but the more apparent reality is to squash the up-and-coming - to prevent competition from above and to 'enhance equality' from below
23:00 mircea_popescu this crabpottery is quite recent
23:01 decimation mircea_popescu: I think it is correlated with the mass looting of public companies that became fashionable in the late 70's/early 80's
23:02 mircea_popescu nah. that's natural, and welcome - capitalism rebuidling itself.
23:02 mircea_popescu when you get a bunch of idiots who wish agency without agency, looting is both necessary and ideal.
23:02 mircea_popescu "public companies" pssh.
23:03 mircea_popescu why wasn't the buffallo a "public company" in 1830 ?
23:04 decimation charles murray has written about how the 'elites' and common folk lived in the same neighborhoods together
23:06 mircea_popescu i fucking wrote about it. elite me lived in the same bus as some alabamian black kids, to no detriment of either of us, au contraire.
23:06 mircea_popescu something average usian can not do. because reasons.
23:06 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2015#979013 < elites became paranoid
23:06 assbot Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
23:06 mircea_popescu yea
23:07 asciilifeform and meanwhile escalating ethn0w4rz to keep things interesting
23:07 decimation actually the elites were racist as fuck, and were quite willing to use the underclass as a weapon against the kulaks while they built imaginary 'barriers' around their homes
23:08 asciilifeform 'the death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)
23:08 asciilifeform ^ mega-classic
23:10 decimation also I would note that this happened at a time when the intellectual fashion was to scorn any project designed to civilize the 'other'
23:10 decimation 'arrow to the throat - it's the only language the savages understand'
23:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: '"Give it here." then in the phone "It's Francine A. Hayek. H-A-Y-E-K." and then after a pregnant pause, "No, just a name coincidence."' << m3g4l0l!!
23:19 * asciilifeform falls down
23:24 danielpbarron http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html << more history about the BSDs
23:24 assbot Confessions of a Recovering NetBSD Zealot - O'Reilly Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtcVzv )
23:24 danielpbarron Since it came up in the /. thread, though, I would like to make one correction. It's widely claimed that I'm "the one" who ejected Theo from the NetBSD community. That is false. At that time in NetBSD's history, Chris G. Demetriou was playing the role of alpha male, and I wasn't even given a choice. I was certain it was going to bite us in the ass. I think the question for historians is not whether it did bite us in the ass,
23:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha ?
23:25 mircea_popescu tyhat bad ?
23:25 asciilifeform so bad that good (TM)
23:25 asciilifeform as in, register rolls over.
23:26 mircea_popescu danielpbarron he can of course point to deedbot deeds proving these claims,
23:26 mircea_popescu or fail that, to anything ?
23:26 asciilifeform (proposes 'ROL' to augment the customary 'lol' as term of art)
23:27 danielpbarron http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html < pre-deedbot history was kept in the form of email dumps
23:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtdN7f )
23:27 asciilifeform 'Even today, most software distributions on the net (and this includes NetBSD) are not signed.' << wat?
23:27 asciilifeform ^ is above still true ?!
23:29 asciilifeform 'deedbot' concept is older than might appear
23:29 asciilifeform ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu
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23:29 gribble Achievements - Robert Hooke Society: <http://www.roberthooke.org/page41.html>; Download Sample pages 1 PDF - Springer: <http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/9781461408598-c1.pdf?SGWID=0-0-45-1276559-p174131959>; INNER ELASTICITY and the HIGHER-ORDER ELASTICITY of some ...: <http://newton.ex.ac.uk/research/qsystems/jones/thesis/Cousins/c_cousins.pdf>
23:31 decimation "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD
23:31 decimation Foundation and Wasabi press release. They were actually upset at me for preempting this." << lol this guy is no linus
23:31 decimation that writing smacks of stallmans nerd-rage
23:31 * asciilifeform never really saw the 'rage' angle re: rms
23:32 asciilifeform the devil that rms preaches about - exists.
23:32 asciilifeform he walks around, you can go and touch him at your phriendly local electronics shop.
23:33 asciilifeform in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair.
23:34 decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8mKMtEg7M < 2:07 he rages
23:34 assbot Richard Stallman Goes Crazy and Freaks Out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftfi5u )
23:35 asciilifeform was that when the pickpockets of buenos aires got his mips laptop ?
23:35 decimation heh I think so
23:35 asciilifeform not much to do with doctrine, then.
23:36 decimation no, more of "I let these people 'work' on my project and suddenly they were controlling it"
23:37 asciilifeform 'Most of us had a very strong distaste for the so-called "virus" clause in the GPL, and this is the primary reason we did not adopt it. There was also some thinking that CSRG (Berkeley) and the X Consortium had been successful with leaner, looser licenses, so why bother. In retrospect I think this was naive; if you look at the history, you'll see that neither CSRG nor the X Consortium were really successful in getting third pa
23:37 asciilifeform rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'
23:38 asciilifeform ^ fact is, gpl has perfectly valid reasons for existing; most of which resolve to folks not wishing to give aid and comfort to the enemy
23:38 asciilifeform if there is any way of preventing it
23:39 decimation it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project
23:39 asciilifeform and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is.
23:40 asciilifeform critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way
23:40 decimation I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing
23:41 asciilifeform 'jeszcze Polska nie zginęła'
23:41 decimation in the sense that the major 'open source' projects are switching to non-gpl licenses - or are trying to be devoured by the same
23:41 mircea_popescu danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ?
23:41 asciilifeform ^ from the pl national anthem
23:41 asciilifeform 'pl is not yet dead' (next being, 'while we still live')
23:41 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> 'Even today, blablabladerp.' << wat? << i'll tell you what. "mommy, i got a 7 in algebra, but you should have seen all the other kids at retard school, they got 3 and 4!"
23:41 decimation also, stallman hasn't done much about the 'hardware problem'
23:42 asciilifeform decimation: what would you suggest he do about it ?
23:43 decimation I have no idea, but it does seem like software cannot stand freely alone
23:43 mircea_popescu <decimation> it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project << actually... it's all in the bias. irrespective of what the words may say, these were govenrment men. of course they saw no problem giving their thing to governmenty-something. their only actual problem would have been "terrorists", a
23:43 mircea_popescu ka, not drones getting it.
23:43 asciilifeform decimation: barring some quite perverse retroactive usg shenanigans (never say 'never.' it happened in ru) gpl stuff is staying gpl
23:43 asciilifeform forever.
23:43 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? << In Theo's Bundle Theo blames Charles Hannum explicitly near the end. Demetrio in my reading of the dump seems to be an aggrevating factor.
23:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the only reason gpl stays gpl atm is because it's not worth much. otherwise... it didn't happen in the cccp only. it happened in the us, and everywhere else.
23:44 decimation asciilifeform: are you saying that commercial code isn't riddled with 'gpled snippets'?
23:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, but still, as a point of procedure, muppet should be trained to back himself up. "here's what i say it was then, and here's where i published it then"
23:45 mircea_popescu they have to be forced to come to terms and accept the plain fact that if they don't publish, they ARE lying.
23:45 mircea_popescu no excuses, no slack cut for any reason. you keep a blog or fuck you.
23:45 asciilifeform decimation: no, merely that everything once published under gpl is still distributable, no one has yet come up with, in usa, with 'we retroactively own this'
23:45 asciilifeform attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.
23:45 asciilifeform yet.
23:46 mircea_popescu the peasants demand church land be redistributed!
23:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was referring to the post-soviet laugh where you now 'have to' (lol) pay to see the filmz i grew up with, etc
23:46 mircea_popescu ah, that.
23:46 asciilifeform the 'privatization' of everything
23:47 asciilifeform ussr did not sign berne convention
23:47 asciilifeform but ru did
23:47 asciilifeform '95
23:47 mircea_popescu so ?
23:47 asciilifeform and -retroactive-
23:47 mircea_popescu yeah right.
23:47 asciilifeform article 18 iirc
23:48 mircea_popescu you can put anything you want on paper, doesn't mean jack.
23:48 asciilifeform didn't say it -meant-
23:48 asciilifeform but that it went on the paper
23:48 asciilifeform one doesn't have to believe in god to discuss religion
23:48 mircea_popescu yeh.
23:48 asciilifeform (see eben moglen re: rule of law)
23:49 mircea_popescu ;;google eben moglen rule of law
23:49 gribble Eben Moglen: "Snowden and the Future" | David Bollier: <http://bollier.org/blog/eben-moglen-snowden-and-future>; Eben Moglen: <http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html>; Legal Fictions and Common Law Legal Theory - Eben Moglen: <http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/fict.html>
23:50 * mircea_popescu never read all this snowden derivative corpus
23:50 asciilifeform iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'
23:51 mircea_popescu works.
23:51 asciilifeform 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet
23:51 asciilifeform imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'
23:51 asciilifeform ^ still alive & well and with us.
23:52 mircea_popescu anyone who has this problem is an idiot of the same breath as the guy with a bitchy wife.
23:52 mircea_popescu shoulda frowned her in time.
23:55 BingoBoingo http://altoz.liberty.me/2015/03/17/why-ripple-is-the-enemy/
23:55 assbot Why Ripple is the Enemy - Bit Blogger ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftk6YB )
23:57 asciilifeform obvious usg altcoin is obvious
23:57 asciilifeform at least, afaik they're the readiest fit for the role.
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