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00:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115822 @ 0.00044492 = 51.5315 BTC [+] {4}
00:08 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described << You are double fucked. Negro and the turdmaster...
00:09 BingoBoingo RGIII has not been kind
00:09 * asciilifeform puzzled by this reference
00:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00044942 = 11.1007 BTC [+]
00:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: RGIII is the strong plowhand carrying you local foosball
00:11 BingoBoingo RGIII was indeed the physical equivalent of a -CURRENT branch until... his knees
00:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00045029 = 12.0002 BTC [+]
00:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13356 @ 0.00044149 = 5.8965 BTC [-]
00:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aha - i was referring to the earlier mocsny quote
00:16 asciilifeform rather than the thing about sportsmen
00:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But the root of their surivival is determined by the same fat men
00:19 BingoBoingo I merely hypothesize RGIII as inpet enough to miss mocsony's men definitiomn
00:23 decimation http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/alien-neill-blomkamp-set-for-new-film-in-iconic-sci-fi-franchise/ < lol. maybe the Aliens will be derpy rhodesians who crowd around in slums
00:23 assbot ‘Alien': Neill Blomkamp set for new film in iconic sci-fi franchise | Hero Complex – movies, comics, pop culture – Los Angeles Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUo0XY )
00:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Still when I look at teams to be on for the next year I consider the players they own paramount.
00:27 BingoBoingo Washington tend to fuck this step up royally
00:33 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.hanssummers.com/ocxokit.html << you can build your own ovenized reference clock in an oven for $15!
00:33 assbot OCXO/Si5351A Synthesizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUqMMO )
00:34 decimation the guy's solution was pretty clever - build an oven out of fr4!
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36244 @ 0.00043277 = 15.6853 BTC [-] {2}
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00041841 = 14.8954 BTC [-]
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041684 = 12.6303 BTC [-]
00:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.0004175 = 23.7766 BTC [+] {2}
00:56 decimation http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot
00:56 assbot A Document Blockchain Stamping Service | stampd.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8hmzf )
01:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00041467 = 9.5374 BTC [-] {2}
01:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00041385 = 13.8847 BTC [-] {3}
01:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82200 @ 0.00041297 = 33.9461 BTC [-]
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01:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8734 @ 0.00041841 = 3.6544 BTC [+]
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02:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00041297 = 18.212 BTC [-]
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02:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00041841 = 4.3515 BTC [+]
02:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00041841 = 21.7782 BTC [+]
02:36 punkman http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/
02:36 assbot Lenovo Caught Installing Adware On New Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwxC1 )
02:37 mircea_popescu i wonder how much money that nets them
02:37 punkman can be lucrative
02:37 punkman there's a lot of malware that just replaces ads on google/facebook/etc
02:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.09005499 = 1.8011 BTC [-] {4}
02:38 punkman users generally don't notice it
02:39 punkman although I don't see how it's worth Lenovo's time
02:39 mircea_popescu so if they sold 1mn computers and 1bn ads got replaced somehow that's worth... umm... 50 bux ?
02:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53545 @ 0.00041291 = 22.1093 BTC [-] {2}
02:42 punkman I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while.
02:42 mircea_popescu in 2003 ?
02:43 punkman more like 2010
02:43 mircea_popescu moar power to him.
02:54 punkman open source dildo https://www.comingle.io/
02:54 assbot Comingle | Your source for do-it-yourself and open source sex technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8uYKZ )
02:55 punkman this might be fun "Comingle.io’s Firaz Peer and Andrew Quitmeyer are developing the prototype for the Electric Eel, a condom that has conductive leads embedded in it for small jolts of stimulation"
02:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8343 @ 0.00041841 = 3.4908 BTC [+]
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03:17 cazalla bringing in the bins and what do i see? another scary australian spider staring at me http://i.imgur.com/LUZC73X.jpg
03:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8y3e3 )
03:17 cazalla this one, st andrews cross spider is pretty common and harmless too
03:18 kakobrekla http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/
03:18 assbot Lenovo Caught Installing Adware On New Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8y8P1 )
03:20 punkman cazalla: ooh pretty
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03:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00042955 = 18.7284 BTC [+]
03:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00044943 = 10.3369 BTC [+]
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04:04 cazalla <punkman> I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while. <<< i use to get something like $1 per install from pinball publisher
04:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19207 @ 0.00042955 = 8.2504 BTC [-]
04:13 punkman cazalla, the pay-per-install stuff always seemed like a bad deal to me, did it work for you?
04:14 cazalla no amount which was brag worthy
04:16 cazalla ppi was only good for sites for which it was a bit of a grey area to use adsense
04:17 cazalla in my experience anyway, i don't doubt that some guys killed with it
04:20 punkman http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/15/business/parmesan-cheese-bank-mpe/
04:20 assbot Italian bank's piles of edible gold - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DE9YLF )
04:24 punkman a look inside a parmesan vault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZEy6dSY6Q
04:24 assbot How Parmesan Cheese Is Made - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CLShrZ )
04:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60008 @ 0.00041289 = 24.7767 BTC [-]
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04:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 278 @ 0.00532304 = 1.4798 BTC [+] {14}
04:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 185 @ 0.00542468 = 1.0036 BTC [-] {2}
04:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00041289 = 20.7684 BTC [-]
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05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00042312 = 14.1322 BTC [+]
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05:50 jurov lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever
05:51 jurov and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor?
05:51 jurov *transistors
05:51 jurov unlike silicon it isn't so sensitive to impurities
06:03 jurov if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2
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06:33 jurov !up brendafdez
06:34 brendafdez Could summer morning here in buenos aires today
06:35 brendafdez I'll be seeing a journalist from the NYT today, I was thinking of telling him about b-a
06:35 brendafdez it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here
06:37 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i wonder how much money that nets them << You probably missed this because winblows free, but for the longest time it was impossible to get computer with winblows that did not have factory installed malware. Popular advice of the time was "reinstall winblows onto new computer"
06:41 BingoBoingo <brendafdez> it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here << Thet tend to suck at identifying that, but it could just as much be the orders they recieve from their political commisar
06:42 BingoBoingo <jurov> and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor? << Now that I'm more sober laser etching saphire to flow a conductor over doesn'r sound so bad.
06:47 brendafdez I didn't ask him what move him. He's very interested in 'seeing the black market in action'. They see it in an amusing light, as if that's a bad thing or something, like going around the city with stacks of cash. And that's actually the closest it gets to bitcoin in fiat.
06:50 brendafdez Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7
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06:50 BingoBoingo brendafdez: Ah, so he was ordered by his poltical officer to slander Argentina's image
06:51 BingoBoingo brendafdez: You have to understand that today's NYtimes is more soviet than pravda could ever have hoped to be
06:57 brendafdez Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
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06:58 BingoBoingo brendafdez: Sony actually used to have an option (extra $50 US or so) to not have factory adware on your computer when they ship it
06:59 brendafdez :D
06:59 brendafdez amazon still has it in their kindles
06:59 brendafdez 'Special Offers'
07:00 BingoBoingo When I encounter this it was mostly "Wild Tangent"
07:02 brendafdez ;;google what is wild tangent
07:02 gribble PC Hell: How to Remove WildTangent: <http://www.pchell.com/support/wildtangent.shtml>; WildTangent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildTangent>; Spyware or Slyware? | PCMag.com: <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1601598,00.asp>
07:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00041957 = 2.7272 BTC [-]
07:04 BingoBoingo This superfish thing lenovois installing though now, looks like a different, worse beast.
07:04 BingoBoingo !up brendafdez
07:04 brendafdez it's like bitcoin 2.0?
07:04 brendafdez wildtangent 2.0 same but worse
07:05 BingoBoingo Nah, it is what it is. Natural hazard of the Windows ecosystem.
07:05 brendafdez Well, if I ever get into the adware business I'll package it as a 'miner' and sponsor bitcoin conferences, no doubt
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00041286 = 18.9709 BTC [-] {2}
07:05 chetty brendafdez, just point the guy to MP article, save everyone a lot of time (after you get your free lunch of course)
07:05 brendafdez :)
07:07 BingoBoingo brendafdez: Point them to this one in particular maybe? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/
07:07 assbot Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zpSMoa )
07:07 brendafdez that one was epic
07:08 BingoBoingo It was indeed. That approach helped S.Dice Erik tremendously when the SEC knocked his door
07:08 chetty lmao, I get a whole new set of smiles everytime someone links that one :D
07:09 BingoBoingo brendafdez: It will probably ingratiate you to no end with the NYtimes people if you point out that noone in Argentina seems as dangerous as that NYPD street gang
07:10 brendafdez Erik <3
07:11 chetty well dead prosecutors are a bit of a deterent
07:11 BingoBoingo !b 8
07:11 assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HHMHNH.txt )
07:13 BingoBoingo brendafdez: I will be very grateful if you get them to mention the great multinational journalism venture qntra which is eating their lunch on the Bitcoin subject, and they follow through by mentioning it in their piece.
07:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00041984 = 2.1832 BTC [+]
07:14 brendafdez they won't mention it as anything other than a website from 1993, it's above their head, they only realize it when it's too late. They wouldn't take me srlsly if i show them that xD
07:14 chetty now that would indeed be a super cool event, I'll buy the lunch if you pull that off
07:15 BingoBoingo brendafdez: Of course they would take you most seriously if you mention it. Their political officer is definitely aware of qntra.
07:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00042085 = 3.8718 BTC [+]
07:15 brendafdez we're meeting now in an hour at a local 'Subway' and then they are coming with me seeing how people buy and sell bitcoins for stacks of cash, which always amuses them, they love seeing the 'stakcks of cash', which is not uncommon here with the largest denomination bill being 8 USD
07:16 BingoBoingo Ah
07:18 brendafdez they love anything that can be portrayed in a bad light as the shady things that happen in this third world country. Like using bitcoin to avoid selling the usd to the government and then selling the bitcoins in the street
07:18 BingoBoingo Sounds a lot like how they covered the rebellion in North St Louis
07:18 chetty third world eh?
07:19 BingoBoingo You just have to remember that New York has become more third world than even Nuevo Laredo. They don't even has cash in New York anymore.
07:19 brendafdez and they are convince the "president of the Argentine Bitcoin Foundation" really matters. It's amusing that said foundation doesn't even exist. But I get asked all the time if i'm part of it, they take me more seriously when I say yes xD
07:19 chetty lmao
07:20 BingoBoingo brendafdez: Just say you are liking the shadow foundation more lately
07:20 brendafdez if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation
07:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15011 @ 0.0004126 = 6.1935 BTC [-] {2}
07:20 chetty join the real one :P
07:20 brendafdez hah, I linked to the shadow foundation on a mailing list and a facebook group recently, but it falls on deaf ears
07:23 BingoBoingo In other news today Pitchers and Catchers report to Spring Training. Baseball season is almost upon us.
07:27 chetty Spring Training was a big deal when I was growing up, it amounted to free major league games :)
07:28 BingoBoingo One day I wanted to take the hajj to Florida to watch the spring training games. At the moment though it is a reminder it will eventually stop being balls cold.
07:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00041192 = 15.1587 BTC [-] {3}
07:33 chetty too bad I can't share some of our summer heat, but actually this morning its very cool and pleasant
07:34 BingoBoingo It's under 0 degrees F here atm. Two weeks ago the high was over 60 degrees F.
07:34 BingoBoingo !up brendafdez
07:35 BingoBoingo Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent
07:45 BingoBoingo !up wao
07:46 BingoBoingo Also looking forward to the buyer's remorse this next US election cycle when everyone gets to see that of the two Bush brothers the dumber, less capable one actually was President for 8 years.
07:49 wao nah irc.
07:49 wao dat protocol.
07:49 wao Hi!
07:50 BingoBoingo O hai
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08:20 danielpbarron height=204520 vs height=185164
08:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00041141 = 11.5812 BTC [-] {2}
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08:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11658 @ 0.00041232 = 4.8068 BTC [+]
08:55 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/cointelegraph-ccn-and-newsbtc-advertising-yet-another-scam/
08:55 assbot CoinTelegraph: CCN and NewsBTC Advertising Yet Another Scam | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19BZhyf )
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09:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00042085 = 12.9832 BTC [+]
09:29 lobbes BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent << whereabouts are you? Ohio-bound over here.
09:30 BingoBoingo lobbes: A bit wester and still further middle
09:30 * lobbes nods
09:32 * lobbes is orgiginally from MA. Was amused by the abundance of Jesus billboards and anti-abortion propaganda littering the sides of roads
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11:05 mike_c anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com? i'm trying to get some obscure country domain names.
11:05 assbot Register international domain names - Registration in 600+ extensions | EuroDNS ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeOXrF )
11:15 mike_c decimation:http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot << yeah, and you have to pay for it with.. paypal!
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00042571 = 6.8901 BTC [+]
11:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00042418 = 6.999 BTC [-]
11:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00041657 = 10.5392 BTC [-] {2}
11:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56267 @ 0.00041131 = 23.1432 BTC [-]
11:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Looks like you induced some measure of a traffic spike. https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net New links to your likbez keep emerging.
11:32 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeTElh )
11:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00041119 = 21.3408 BTC [-] {2}
11:34 pete_dushenski speaking of asciilifeform's piece, is it fair to assume that other unix-likes include debian and osx ? what of gentoo ?
11:37 danielpbarron i like gentoo; very customizable and doesn't require systemd
11:37 BingoBoingo Gentoo depends entirely on how you decide to build and use it.
11:38 BingoBoingo And upon what
11:38 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: i figured you were into gentoo based on your pogo guide ;)
11:41 danielpbarron i also like OpenBSD
11:43 pete_dushenski do you run them both atm ?
11:44 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: where did that traffic come from?
11:44 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: It seems a variety of places. It isn't the biggest spike, but it definitely is one.
11:45 thestringpuller interesting. an "organic" spike.
11:45 danielpbarron pete_dushenski, ya
11:46 danielpbarron i've got gentoo on my laptop and OpenBSD on my webserver/fullnode/irc client machine
11:46 pete_dushenski a neato
11:46 * BingoBoingo is rather happy with OpenBSD's handling of laptop
11:47 * pete_dushenski still has yet to play with much other than debian on vps for node
11:48 thestringpuller nothing wrong with debian
11:48 thestringpuller yet...
11:48 pete_dushenski tick, tock..
11:49 BingoBoingo ;;google debian rng 2006
11:49 gribble Schneier on Security: Random Number Bug in Debian Linux: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html>; Random number generator attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator_attack>; The Debian OpenSSL Bug: Backdoor or Security Accident?: <https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency- (1 more message)
11:50 pete_dushenski also looks like debian is getting forked into systemd-less "devuan" sometime this year
11:51 pete_dushenski https://devuan.org/
11:51 assbot Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeWW85 )
11:51 pete_dushenski ^they accept btc donations :)
11:52 BingoBoingo I'm concerned by the lack of names
11:53 pete_dushenski fair enough
11:54 pete_dushenski speaking of names, has anyone read any of schneier's books ?
11:54 jurov mike_c: obscure european TLDs usually require proof of residence in that country, or at least in EU
11:54 pete_dushenski wondering when he "went mole" so i can spare myself reading anything thereafter
11:55 danielpbarron pete_dushenski, you haven't seen this? -> http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/
11:55 assbot Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeXsCY )
11:55 mike_c jurov: yeah, the ones i am looking at don't require that. eurodns is offering them for sale, I have just never heard of them.
11:55 pete_dushenski jurov: if the cc fraudsters who pwned maison de btc are any indication, i'm sure mike_c can jump that hurdle
11:56 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: naturally :)
11:56 pete_dushenski i just couldn't recall if there was a line in the sand
11:56 danielpbarron ah, "when" not "if" whoops
11:56 pete_dushenski yup
12:11 danielpbarron !up NewLiberty
12:12 NewLiberty Did you know that Schneier lost his executive position because of praise he gave Snowden?
12:12 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.NewLiberty.-1:1baac9e3ec8f3924ea75f9ae8c12259510087b5f9b8510fd26aa283eb8b62bdf
12:12 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for NewLiberty with note: He think's a hard-fork is, and I quote: acceptable for expediency's sake.
12:13 NewLiberty lol
12:14 danielpbarron in your defense, you said you don't like gavin's proposal
12:14 NewLiberty I use bitcoin in commerce, and yes, would rather not have to outbid folks to get my transaction in
12:14 pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform could you recommend a book that would serve as an 'amateur's intro to digital security' ?
12:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:14 NewLiberty Yes, Gavin's proposal is bad, I've been complaining about it for months
12:14 pete_dushenski wondering if ross j anderson is in the right direction...
12:15 danielpbarron https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=122404;sa=showPosts << NewLiberty's forum posts for those not familiar with this fellow
12:15 assbot Latest posts of: NewLiberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0eYI )
12:16 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/windows-ecosystem-security-still-horrifying/
12:16 assbot Windows Ecosystem Security Still Horrifying | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0qY6 )
12:16 NewLiberty https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=815712.msg9182952#msg9182952
12:16 assbot Increasing the block size is a good idea; 50%/year is probably too aggressive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0uXV )
12:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19597 @ 0.00041082 = 8.0508 BTC [-] {2}
12:17 NewLiberty "If this forks as currently proposed, I'll be selling all my BTC on Gavin's fork and mining on the other. I suspect I will not be the only one."
12:18 danielpbarron you and most people in here, i suspect
12:18 pete_dushenski NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42703 @ 0.0004098 = 17.4997 BTC [-] {2}
12:18 pete_dushenski right now you're saying 'just the tip'
12:18 NewLiberty I am not advocating an increase in block size
12:18 danielpbarron yeah, and if you can currently afford fees, you should always be able to
12:18 pete_dushenski NewLiberty: o no ?
12:19 NewLiberty I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers
12:20 * BingoBoingo amused that no one talking atm seems to realize how "old" NewLiberty is
12:20 NewLiberty The current proposal is a software engineering approach to a science problem
12:20 pete_dushenski how do you figure what they call themselves has any bearing on their function ?
12:20 NewLiberty It is not even protocol engineering
12:20 danielpbarron no, it's a USG approach to a non-problem
12:20 pete_dushenski gavin is no more a scientist than mr. dress-up
12:21 NewLiberty I give the benefit of the doubt, most don't control where they are born
12:21 danielpbarron the "problem" gavin is trying to solve is "bitcoin will kill the dollar"
12:21 NewLiberty He wants to be a chief scientist, I can help him understand what that entails
12:21 NewLiberty Did he say that?
12:21 danielpbarron he might as well
12:22 NewLiberty dollar =/= US
12:22 NewLiberty though some think so
12:22 danielpbarron s/dollar/FIAT/
12:22 NewLiberty BS
12:22 NewLiberty What is currently called "dollar" maybe
12:23 NewLiberty But the word is not what is commonly referred to as a dollar
12:23 danielpbarron what are you trying to say?
12:23 NewLiberty "bitcoin will kill the dollar"
12:23 NewLiberty It will kill it
12:23 danielpbarron dollar/fiat/socialism/totalitarianism
12:24 NewLiberty "dollar" is a specific measure of silver
12:24 NewLiberty USD is a wad of paper
12:24 * danielpbarron is losing patience
12:24 pete_dushenski mr. dressup reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2w74cMUlL8
12:24 assbot Mr. Dressup Episode Pt. 1 1986 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqFJIX )
12:25 NewLiberty XBT will kill USD regardless of what Gavin may or may not do
12:25 danielpbarron that is true, because gavin has nothing to do with bitcoin
12:26 NewLiberty USD will kill USD, even without XBT
12:26 NewLiberty Its self defeating
12:26 NewLiberty A made to fail ponzi
12:26 danielpbarron and stop trying to teach us new terms; we don't care that you prefer 'xbt' to 'btc' or that a dollar used to mean silver
12:27 NewLiberty I'm not here to teach, more to learn.
12:27 danielpbarron if you mean that, start here: http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
12:27 assbot IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqH5TS )
12:28 NewLiberty But having minted a fair share of silver, I have some opinions on the use of "dollar" as that paper drek
12:29 danielpbarron silver isn't money; anyone who says otherwise is likely scamming you
12:29 NewLiberty I've used it for money
12:29 NewLiberty and gold
12:29 danielpbarron i've used cannabis as money; doesn't make it not stupid
12:30 NewLiberty relatively it is stupid
12:30 danielpbarron it's practically the same thing
12:31 NewLiberty yes practicality is largely why is is stupid.
12:32 BingoBoingo cannabis and silver are largely the same thing monetarily, inflation a huge problem. Gold less so. Bitcoin far less so.
12:32 thestringpuller cannabis is perishable tho
12:33 thestringpuller hue hue
12:33 NewLiberty Silver also, gold isn't
12:34 danielpbarron in CT, cannabis is way more fungible than silver; just trade it before it goes bad :p
12:35 NewLiberty Or before it goes up in smoke
12:35 thestringpuller hue hue
12:35 thestringpuller CT also decriminalized cannabis
12:36 thestringpuller dunno how they are able to keep up with demand given...snow and stuff
12:36 danielpbarron yeah that's why i specified CT; i'd wager it's a lot less fungible in oklahoma
12:36 NewLiberty CA somewhat decriminalized. Most strip malls have a dispensary.
12:36 thestringpuller danielpbarron: i was born in hartford btw
12:36 thestringpuller :D
12:39 NewLiberty Anyhow, WRT Gavin, he may yet listen and end up less bad.
12:40 thestringpuller And Biggie may not really be dead.
12:40 danielpbarron !b 2
12:40 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11JAYD0.txt )
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12:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69467 @ 0.00040937 = 28.4377 BTC [-]
12:51 thestringpuller ;;ticker
12:51 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.62, Best ask: 241.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 241.85, 24 hour volume: 10233.35845876, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 241.85, 24 hour vwap: 236.719103696
12:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51183 @ 0.00040923 = 20.9456 BTC [-]
12:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 502 @ 0.00543999 = 2.7309 BTC [+] {4}
13:01 danielpbarron ;;later tell asciilifeform http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/ << so far just some notes and what i think is your specification; corrections and suggestions welcome
13:01 assbot Bitcoin Full Node on a Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1vk2Xyd )
13:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 422 @ 0.00552835 = 2.333 BTC [-] {5}
13:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 501 @ 0.00536675 = 2.6887 BTC [-] {2}
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5605 @ 0.00089928 = 5.0405 BTC [+] {6}
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5030 @ 0.00040923 = 2.0584 BTC [-]
13:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56581 @ 0.00040737 = 23.0494 BTC [-] {4}
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1435 @ 0.00092154 = 1.3224 BTC [+] {5}
13:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00041308 = 10.389 BTC [+]
13:34 mats http://radare.today/awesome-ascii-graphs
13:35 assbot Interactive ASCII graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqZznc )
13:37 thestringpuller this is beautiful
13:40 thestringpuller danielpbarron: i may setup a gentoo machine just to make a pogo
13:41 danielpbarron what do you usually use?
13:43 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/
13:43 assbot Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Br1FDw )
13:44 thestringpuller danielpbarron: debian.
13:44 thestringpuller ah scoopbot down again?
13:44 danielpbarron see if you can do it from debian; you just need the cross compiler
13:45 thestringpuller aight. i'll give that a try. ordering a pogo soon.
13:46 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: scoopbot cannot penetrate the fortress that is contravex
13:46 pete_dushenski the moat is too deep
13:46 ben_vulpes <BingoBoingo> [] decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos? << most offensive thing about being born here is how one's effectively born into slavery for others obligations.
13:46 pete_dushenski "Be sure to tweet with #JBossBitcoin during tomorrow's race! We hope that #NASCAR & #bitcoin fans can get behind #54. "
13:46 pete_dushenski ^for everyone with a twitter acct ;)
13:47 thestringpuller JBossBitcoin makes me think of webstack using JBoss to run bitcoin stuff
13:48 thestringpuller random: what's with white girls and brown boots...
13:49 pete_dushenski putting on boots is faster than tanning ?
13:52 ben_vulpes <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid?
13:53 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: my mother was nearly 40 when she had me. no autism here.
13:54 ben_vulpes anecdata
13:54 ben_vulpes it's a statistical thing.
13:55 danielpbarron thestringpuller, https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers << might be a good starting point
13:55 assbot BuildingCrossCompilers - Debian Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Br4wfL )
13:55 PeterL ben_vulpes: my nephew is the oldest in his family, has autism but younger siblings don't
13:56 PeterL You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers
13:56 ben_vulpes no, i'm thinking this is all anecdata.
13:56 ben_vulpes you gotta approach life from first principles.
13:56 ben_vulpes as the machinery wears out, it...wears out.
13:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00042587 = 14.3944 BTC [+] {3}
13:57 ben_vulpes average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america.
13:57 ben_vulpes ad/hd, autism...
13:57 ben_vulpes downs.
13:57 danielpbarron Abraham had a son in his 90s
13:58 thestringpuller his wife was probably 13
13:58 danielpbarron Sarah? she was also old
13:58 thestringpuller oh ya.
13:58 thestringpuller didn't people live to be like 300 then tho?
13:58 thestringpuller before the Ark.
13:59 thestringpuller (My biblical history is fuzzy) :(
13:59 danielpbarron 600 even, 969 was the oldest
13:59 ben_vulpes medicalization of individuality factored out, if the numbers are to believed and aren't a cultural artifact i'm guessing that increased age of conception is driving some of the increase (if it even exists)
13:59 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: mk well, rock of salt the size of an asteroid and all that.
13:59 ben_vulpes "dude was real old"
13:59 danielpbarron i think by the time of Abraham it had gone down quite a bit though
13:59 thestringpuller maybe we should stop giving babies ipads?
14:00 thestringpuller and letting them guzzle high fructose corn syurp
14:00 PeterL is 600 or 969 years or months?
14:00 danielpbarron and not hitting them enough
14:00 danielpbarron PeterL, years
14:01 PeterL maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way?
14:01 pete_dushenski of course, what's a "year"
14:01 danielpbarron the time it takes for the earth to go all the way around the sun
14:01 ben_vulpes and how reliable were the counts
14:01 pete_dushenski i'm sure the counts were reliable
14:01 ben_vulpes and what about that whole "walked with god for 200 years" schtick, hm?
14:01 pete_dushenski but the literary flourishes were less so
14:02 pete_dushenski symbolism and all that
14:02 danielpbarron ben_vulpes, i don't recall that; could you cite chapter/verse?
14:03 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: you can google yourself, i'm not actually in a theological debate here.
14:04 ben_vulpes numbers probably wrong, phrasing probably wrong. i am not interested in biblical scholarship etc.
14:04 thestringpuller that's cause you're a joo
14:04 thestringpuller or what-not
14:04 ben_vulpes a something-or-other
14:04 danielpbarron lack of interest in Bible could also indicate catholic :p
14:05 thestringpuller LOL
14:05 thestringpuller danielpbarron: the cryptopaladin!
14:05 danielpbarron ew, paladin is like.. the worst class
14:05 danielpbarron i always went with the necro guy
14:05 thestringpuller haha
14:07 danielpbarron ah it was Enoch, and he walked with God for 300 years
14:08 * ben_vulpes shrugs
14:08 lobbes <ben_vulpes> average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << couldn't this also be ascribed to a higher birth-rate?
14:08 PeterL but the birth rate is going down
14:08 ben_vulpes lobbes: i'm assuming percentages are going up, not absolute numbers
14:08 ben_vulpes but ffs read tlp - there's no actually knowing anything about the numbers or what they mean
14:08 thestringpuller PeterL: none of this Children of Men stuff
14:09 PeterL what's a children of men?
14:09 thestringpuller a sci fi novel/movie where humans are unable to have children
14:09 thestringpuller thus extinction
14:09 thestringpuller plot ensues from there
14:09 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: ping http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/#comment-11108
14:09 assbot Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqMHIf )
14:09 PeterL thestringpuller: is it worth watching?
14:11 thestringpuller PeterL: if you don't mind Clive Owen it's not bad.
14:11 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: That's a great question I do not have an answer for.
14:12 thestringpuller philosophy and stuff is hard
14:13 pete_dushenski that's what makes it fun!
14:14 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: The way it is hard makes it fun. Eating pinecones also hard, not fun.
14:14 pete_dushenski which i why i read burke and don't bleed when i shit
14:15 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: well allies and enemies are generally relative. I think La Serenissima creates a republic where it dictates the scene.
14:15 thestringpuller La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy.
14:18 pete_dushenski most states i can think of work this way
14:18 pete_dushenski any friendships or peace agreements are temporary conveniences
14:19 pete_dushenski trusted parties will stick together and only play nice when it's +ev
14:20 PeterL pete_dushenski: "not that this is the worst thing to be have foisted upon you" << lose either be or have
14:22 pete_dushenski fixed, ty!
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15:14 pete_dushenski lenovo re: superfish: "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not find any evidence to substantiate security concerns"
15:14 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: Well, US harbored Nazi scientists for moon program or what not.
15:16 pete_dushenski all the while: http://t.co/mBg42VBn46
15:16 assbot Errata Security: Extracting the SuperFish certificate ... ( http://bit.ly/17wfBPk )
15:16 thestringpuller In La Serenissima, enemy is always enemy. Do not think reality exists where Gavin earns real trust.
15:16 thestringpuller Not after his becoming enemy.
15:17 pete_dushenski but as with nazi case, the tune can change if a suitable use case is found
15:17 pete_dushenski gavin will always be an enemy because he's also woefully incompetent
15:17 pete_dushenski if he were a worthy opponent, it might one day be a different story
15:18 thestringpuller humor me hypothetical of MP and Gavin joining forces after declaration of war?
15:19 pete_dushenski so in your hypothetical gavin doesn't suck at life ?
15:20 jurov http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Media-Sharing-Device-Remote/dp/B005DB6NG6/ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_8_3EX5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1RW9YP2JW2W8M9JZ119G
15:20 assbot Amazon.com: Pogoplug Media Sharing Device - Remote Access to Your Media - Black: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/17wgI1i )
15:20 jurov ^ apparently this ships in the EU
15:20 jurov but unsure if it's v2 or v3
15:20 jurov and also customer reviews are scathing (it's unstable)
15:22 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: how about hypothetical enemy who is competent who just wants to straight up smash bitcoin
15:22 jurov i already have enough problems with cantankerous rpi's that are more stable when overclocked.. guess i'll pass this one
15:22 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: now that's a different story
15:22 pete_dushenski one that could end the way it did for the moon nazis
15:22 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: war ends, enemy loses, how does republic trust enemy at all not to back stab Kahn style?
15:23 thestringpuller cause this asks of those working with enemy (at some point after recovery) to keep watchful eye, which means you don't really trust him
15:26 BingoBoingo Intresting https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/568504819318546432
15:26 assbot Gemalto also makes OpenPGP smart cards - I have one. We really need a OpenPGP v2 that supports multisig; right now I'm trusting Gemalto.
15:26 pete_dushenski i'll keep using your moon nazi example because it's so darned useful here: trust isn't complete, but limited to one domain
15:26 pete_dushenski all work is supervised and checked
15:26 pete_dushenski let's say in the soviet style used for nukes and satellites
15:27 Apocalyptic "right now I'm trusting Gemalto" lel given https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/
15:27 assbot The Great SIM Heist: How Spies Stole the Keys to the Encryption Castle ... ( http://bit.ly/1AanO7k )
15:29 pete_dushenski "o noes phones aren't sekure!"
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15:38 Apocalyptic !up ascii_field
15:38 ascii_field ty Apocalyptic
15:38 Apocalyptic you're welcome
15:39 ascii_field jurov: the 'pogo' you found is the one without sata port.
15:40 ascii_field 'multisig' << can we start saying 'key escrow' whenever some moron put the word 'multisig' ?
15:40 ascii_field honesty plz
15:41 ascii_field jurov: it's unstable << i'm gonna guess that the unstable part is the proprietary nas app that comes with 'pogo'
15:42 ascii_field rather than the hardware
15:43 ascii_field (must confess that i have not tested that particular incarnation, however. but my pogo has not once overheated or shown any signs of hardware failure. has been running more or less round the clock since purchase.)
15:45 PeterL so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27193 @ 0.0004283 = 11.6468 BTC [+]
15:48 ascii_field great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.
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15:48 ascii_field ergo this is not why they stole the keys (assuming the snowden document is genuine)
15:49 ascii_field the press, rancid mixture of stooges and useful idiots, help to push the implication that 'now we can switch to keys that have not yet been stolen, and no more interception'
15:49 ascii_field precisely the usg message.
15:50 pete_dushenski what would switching keys look like ?
15:50 pete_dushenski if they went down that road
15:50 pete_dushenski new sim cards for phones or a network diddle ?
15:50 pete_dushenski or...
15:50 Apocalyptic ascii_field, yeah there is some trace of "but 3G and 4G networks are more secure" message in that piece
15:50 ascii_field you'll see soon enough when gemalto (as if nothing happened, remains in business of course, like all usg pseudo-industrial ops)
15:51 ascii_field decides to 'we cleaned up our act'
15:51 pete_dushenski !up Xuthus
15:51 ascii_field pete_dushenski: all mobile phones use toy crypto - and, as if this were not enough, call is carried as plaintext on the telco wire in the end
15:51 pete_dushenski 'and we'll help to write new regulations which we'll then abide by'
15:52 ascii_field there is no meaningful crypto between endpoints and this is mandatory, by design
15:52 pete_dushenski so why bother changing it ?
15:52 pete_dushenski doesn't even seem like there's room to make it easier to intercept
15:52 ascii_field to peddle the notion that the sim keys matter for any purpose whatsoever is either the act of a complete illiterate on the subject, or a usg stooge.
15:52 pete_dushenski Xuthus: and who would you be ?
15:53 pete_dushenski ascii_field: seems like a waste of breath
15:53 pete_dushenski but i guess the usg is just a marketing machine at this point
15:54 ascii_field thing is, it works
15:54 pete_dushenski to the extent that no one is watching the dismantling of their wealth, sure
15:55 ascii_field no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow
15:55 ascii_field that's the only actual design goal of the system
15:56 pete_dushenski which continues to be possible because of aforementioned wealth dismantling
15:56 ascii_field 'Apps like TextSecure and Silent Text are secure alternatives to SMS messages, while Signal, RedPhone and Silent Phone encrypt voice communications. ' << finally the mask falls off, and we know that a usg muppet wrote that article.
15:56 pete_dushenski otherwise, without new taxes or program cuts, not possible
15:56 ascii_field know as in sky-is-blue.
15:58 pete_dushenski pretty obvious really
15:58 pete_dushenski even for an amateur like me
15:58 pete_dushenski but i guess hanging out here trains one's eye after a while
15:58 ascii_field that line removes any possible doubt.
15:59 ascii_field either stooge or a direct useful idiot of one
15:59 danielpbarron so apparently a pogo can survive a fall to the floor from about 3 feet while running; on a related note, not all devices ship with the same length ethernet cable
15:59 ascii_field danielpbarron: ought to survive a fall from airplane. there is nothing shock-sensitive inside.
16:00 ascii_field (if you have a mechanical drive connected, that's another matter)
16:00 danielpbarron the drive popped out as a result of the fall, and its connecting bracket also came out a bit; but it's setting new best height now, so all is fine i suppose
16:00 danielpbarron it was the solid state one; probably why it still works
16:02 danielpbarron my throat is now sore from yelling
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16:08 PeterL !up ascii_field
16:10 ascii_field ty
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16:24 mircea_popescu jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever << si carbide prolly most promising, or maybe some particular graphite formulations.
16:25 mircea_popescu jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2 << this, basically, is my point. 20 sqcm is not really a big deal. and the number of people who might do it just to play the original Chaos on their pet rock is not negligible.
16:26 ascii_field unfortunately, need more than transistors
16:27 mircea_popescu ALSO major point : it doesn't have to be successful.
16:27 mircea_popescu what i mean is : currently, the fabs regard a printer that ruins 1% of the sheets as disastrous.
16:27 mircea_popescu in our case, if 1% of the sheets are printed correctly, we're golden
16:27 mircea_popescu people would do it like they hunt for pokemons
16:27 mircea_popescu that inversion really gives a lot of tolerance space.
16:28 ascii_field gives it a chinese 'great leap forward backyard steel furnace' flavour though.
16:28 mircea_popescu so it does.
16:28 mircea_popescu understand : reversing the secular trend from "Factory" to "household" is worth pretty much any sacrifice.
16:28 mircea_popescu it's not me speaking, it's god!
16:28 ascii_field sure
16:29 ascii_field but has to not only at least occasionally work,
16:29 ascii_field but actually not depend on industrial outputs
16:29 ascii_field otherwise it's an exercise in pashtun kalash-making
16:29 mircea_popescu not depend on NON COMMODIFIED industrial outputs.
16:29 ascii_field (you have the rifle, but izhevsk still has the shells)
16:29 mircea_popescu one step at a time.
16:29 mircea_popescu as long as the industiral output you use holds no ip, it's good.
16:30 mircea_popescu we want to kill the ip-in-product thing first, then the rest is unsustainable/can't mount any resistance.
16:31 ascii_field if that's the object, can use ttl 74xxxx logic
16:31 mircea_popescu prolly.
16:31 ascii_field it 1) made everywhere, even ussr 2) utterly standardized 3) 'does not know where it will be plugged in'
16:31 ascii_field i must say, always wanted to build a 'bitslice cpu'
16:33 mircea_popescu ;;later tell brendafdez: Could summer morning here in buenos aires today << wait, you're in ba ?
16:33 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:34 * pete_dushenski knew this about brenda
16:35 mircea_popescu most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell) << ahahaha wut, wait, the mystery is demystified ?
16:35 mircea_popescu muon was really melon ?
16:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024576 << lol this chick's sense of humour...
16:36 assbot Logged on 19-02-2015 11:57:09; brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
16:37 cazalla danielpbarron: my throat is now sore from yelling <<< try breaking something :P
16:37 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the one utterly unsolved problem is ram
16:37 mircea_popescu so it is.
16:37 mircea_popescu lol yea, like cazalla's... ipad.
16:37 ascii_field none of the contemplated processes threaten to give you anything like '80s micro capacity
16:38 ascii_field i've contemplated a revival of delay-line memories using modern high-frequency amps
16:38 mircea_popescu ascii_field could one simply hijack ssds ?
16:38 mircea_popescu as in, replace the controller.
16:38 ascii_field hijack ?
16:38 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
16:38 ascii_field ty
16:38 mircea_popescu np np
16:38 ascii_field one can buy raw nand flash
16:39 mircea_popescu ok. so then make a sane addressing scheme, and put a controller in and that's that.
16:39 mircea_popescu memory = disk, like in the good old days.
16:39 ascii_field but this turns into a very different flavour of project
16:39 mircea_popescu make the chips hotswappable, too, by default.
16:39 ascii_field machine that can't be boobied - yes. ic fab on your desk - no
16:39 mircea_popescu imagine alf! a memory scheme which allows you to shoot at the memory units, and add more as you wish without kernel panic.
16:40 ascii_field sop in rad-hard machines
16:40 mircea_popescu yup
16:40 ascii_field (erasure code in ram controller)
16:40 mircea_popescu im not saying it's new. im saying it is time to get home computing out of the 1950s .
16:40 ascii_field i'd generalize to everything being tandem-able by default
16:40 mircea_popescu ideally.
16:41 ascii_field (n-of-m voting scheme)
16:41 mircea_popescu so the one day you need moar memory ? YOU BORROW SOME
16:41 mircea_popescu like in thefucking old days #2
16:41 ascii_field aha, sop in ibm 'big iron'
16:41 mircea_popescu yup
16:42 ascii_field now bringing things back to my original boojum - you can't drive sdram with 74xxxx ttl.
16:42 ascii_field it can't be asked to go arbitrarily slowly.
16:42 PeterL why not?
16:42 ascii_field gotta match the refresh upper bounds
16:42 ascii_field or lose bits.
16:42 ascii_field in milliseconds.
16:42 mircea_popescu ascii_field you can layer them
16:42 ascii_field !s sdram
16:42 assbot 14 results for 'sdram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram
16:43 ascii_field mircea_popescu: can't layer dram
16:43 mircea_popescu no the ttl.
16:43 ascii_field like sampler on cheap oscope ?
16:43 mircea_popescu any arbitrary frequency can be met out of an arbitrary count of components.
16:43 ascii_field possibly
16:43 mircea_popescu no. like a timed array.
16:43 ascii_field well yes, that's how my chinese scope gets a 100MHz sampler using 20MHz chinese ADCs
16:43 mircea_popescu aha ok.
16:44 mircea_popescu then like!
16:46 mircea_popescu brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation << lol muricans gotta muricate.
16:48 mircea_popescu mike_c: anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com << i think i got something thourhg them a few years ago. nothing terrible.
16:48 assbot Register international domain names - Registration in 600+ extensions | EuroDNS ... ( http://bit.ly/19ENIX9 )
16:48 mircea_popescu ;;seen trinque
16:48 gribble trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
16:49 trinque I'm here
16:49 mircea_popescu where's teh deedbot!!1
16:49 trinque 340107
16:49 mircea_popescu aha
16:49 mircea_popescu aite, so, monday ?
16:49 thestringpuller read that as if mircea_popescu was german from lebowski
16:50 thestringpuller "where's da deedbot lebowski!1"
16:50 trinque thestringpuller: lol
16:50 trinque mircea_popescu: yeah, seems there are no other acts of god that could delay it
16:50 mircea_popescu cool.
16:51 mircea_popescu thestringpuller: interesting. an "organic" spike. << yeah, the thing's definitely starting to pull its own weight.
16:51 ascii_field what's an organic spike ?
16:51 ascii_field vlad's tree stump stakes ?
16:51 mircea_popescu ascii_field admitting traffic is a notion with an actual real equivalent,
16:52 ascii_field ah, server spike
16:52 trinque ascii_field: that's what the portland residents will be put atop
16:52 mircea_popescu if the source of a traffic spike is directly identifiable (X site linking) vs if it's not (various sites linking)
16:53 mircea_popescu https://devuan.org/donate.html <<
16:53 assbot Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins. ... ( http://bit.ly/19EPqHT )
16:53 mircea_popescu € 4298.41 via Paypal (EUR)
16:53 mircea_popescu € 1099.18 via Stripe (EUR)
16:53 mircea_popescu € 558.42 via Bank wire (EUR)
16:53 mircea_popescu ฿ 2.20703267 Bitcoins (XBT)
16:53 ascii_field 'XBT' ?
16:53 mircea_popescu pity they didn't have the sense to wot.
16:53 PeterL xbt == btc
16:54 mircea_popescu ima email them see if they're willing to respect the signed approach.
16:54 thestringpuller ascii_field: it is organic drug you put in someone's drink to kidnap them
16:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00041829 = 12.465 BTC [-] {2}
16:57 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/vermont-bitcoin-atm-cease-and-desist-requested/#comment-10900 << I don't think that will work. Cause you are exchanging government scrip for Bitcoin so it involves transfer of that...
16:57 mircea_popescu ascii_field i wrote them an email inviting them over.
16:57 mircea_popescu we do actually have a lot of overlap.
16:57 danielpbarron apparently there is a way to enable ssh on a brand new pogo without using their stupid website
16:57 mircea_popescu o wow, look at that, they have an irc even.
16:57 mircea_popescu /join #debianfork
16:59 ascii_field neato
17:00 thestringpuller everything is forking
17:01 mircea_popescu "forking"
17:02 ascii_field danielpbarron: not only, but i said what that way is on the day i mentioned 'pogo' here for the first time
17:03 ascii_field i certainly did not use their idiot 'registration' thing
17:03 ascii_field nor would any process that relies on their site staying up, be of use to our cause
17:03 danielpbarron well, i'm an idiot :/
17:03 PeterL mod6 or ben_vulpes: on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html the header extends off the right side of the screen (on my machine), could you make it use a smaller font so it fits inside the window?
17:03 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPrPxN )
17:04 danielpbarron i don't know how to use computers because i'm actually good at it; it's a matter of necessity
17:04 thestringpuller hey we may have new allies!
17:04 thestringpuller #devuan joins the party
17:04 ascii_field it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is
17:05 thestringpuller ascii_field: enemy of enemy sorta == friend??
17:05 ascii_field quite a few people have not made the conceptual leap to seeing the malice behind the incompetence
17:05 thestringpuller is that a requirement for swinging axe or sword?
17:06 ascii_field for reliably swinging in the correct direction - absolutely required.
17:06 ascii_field imagine if folks went to war as they go to 'mosh pit'
17:06 thestringpuller ah like when party member has confuse debuff and he starts hitting you
17:06 ascii_field 'i just wanna swing'
17:06 thestringpuller yah
17:07 mircea_popescu what's jurov's list again ? someone dump in #debianfork
17:07 thestringpuller k
17:08 mircea_popescu whyty.
17:09 thestringpuller !up ascii_field
17:09 ascii_field danke thestringpuller
17:10 thestringpuller interesting point with moshpit it is a very inefficient exertion of energy
17:10 thestringpuller just ball of exploding meat chaos
17:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00041419 = 12.3014 BTC [-] {2}
17:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45968 @ 0.00041303 = 18.9862 BTC [-] {4}
17:23 PeterL after mircea_popescu left, in #debianfork: tmyklebu: he's not weird enough to be a billionaire.
17:23 mircea_popescu ahahahaha
17:23 mircea_popescu they should have a bash.
17:25 mircea_popescu the things pete_dushenski causes.
17:26 mircea_popescu ascii_field it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is << would not go that far, personally. just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough.
17:35 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size << how about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019604 ?
17:35 assbot Logged on 15-02-2015 15:36:09; kakobrekla: i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes
17:36 chetty http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Black-Madam-Philadelphia-Buttocks-Injection-Death-292592791.html
17:36 assbot Dancer's Death in Philadelphia Hotel Reveals World of 'Pumping Parties,' Surgery | NBC 10 Philadelphia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G9phM5 )
17:36 mircea_popescu NewLiberty: I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers << scientists, engineers etc have no business with chiefdom. that's a position for a strategist, nothing else.
17:36 mircea_popescu chetty sadly that world's being "revealed" about every other year.
17:36 mircea_popescu there actually exist these completely insane people going around injecting industrial grade silicone straight into "customers"
17:37 mircea_popescu "a procedure involving silicone and Krazy Glue"
17:37 chetty well I dont know why women want bigger butts
17:39 mircea_popescu that's pretty clear. why do they think they can cut themselves up like they were barbie dolls however, that's mysterious.
17:40 chetty maybe a bigger butt helps if you sit at a computer a lot ...hmmm
17:40 mircea_popescu NewLiberty: A made to fail ponzi << a ponzi only fails because there's an actual monetary unit to compare against.
17:40 mircea_popescu otherwise, ponzi in a vacuum does not fail.
17:40 mircea_popescu chetty 20yo was a dancer.
17:41 mircea_popescu she was black im ready to bet.
17:41 mircea_popescu this means... she shook her butt.
17:44 chetty http://news.yahoo.com/google-glass-apple-watch-japan-offers-wearable-tomatoes-095421514.html;_ylt=AwrBJR4wJOZUqjIApN7QtDMD
17:44 assbot After Google Glass, Apple Watch, Japan offers wearable tomatoes - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFjPkg )
17:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid? << i am willing to bet no, because autism was virtually unknown weh i was a kid, and old women had plentry of kids back then
17:45 PeterL was it unknown because it did not exist or because it was not yet named?
17:45 mircea_popescu didn't exist.
17:45 PeterL the people now being called autistic, they would have been called something different back then?
17:45 PeterL like weird?
17:46 mircea_popescu mmm, but i would remember the cases, see. not a matter of calling.
17:46 PeterL would you? maybe you just avoided people like that?
17:46 mircea_popescu as a kid growing up, i had contact with... thousands, prolly at the outset 10k kids. in the sense of actually having seen them with mine own eyes.
17:46 mircea_popescu and i'd have heard *something* about the particular weirdness.
17:47 mircea_popescu for that matter, autism went in the supplemental fascicle of infantile pathology, with spina bifida et all horrors.
17:48 mircea_popescu !up NewLiberty
17:48 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot NewLiberty
17:48 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user NewLiberty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/NewLiberty | http://w.b-a.link/user/NewLiberty
17:48 mircea_popescu eh danielpbarron you're really pushing things eh
17:48 mircea_popescu !rate NewLiberty 1 voice
17:48 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/83524be48e3616d4
17:48 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.NewLiberty.1:d474b38b053519963da0f65ad11375e48102693cf7ec5b41086343c6b4263e41
17:48 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for NewLiberty with note: voice
17:49 cazalla the 90s gave us so many adhd kids that it was no longer fashionable.. the new fashion with autism is that one can pronounce that their kid is "on the spectrum" as if it makes them somewhat special
17:49 NewLiberty I'd aver that no money is in a vacuum, it is only meaningful in exchange for things. https://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/devaluation_denarius.jpg
17:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFk2nu )
17:49 cazalla at least that is my experience overhearing mothers talk
17:49 trinque I suspect it's as adhd was/is, an easy way to prescribe drugs
17:50 trinque gotta have as many people on govt sanctioned amphetamines as possible
17:50 trinque most "autistic" people I've encountered just seemed like kids that weren't properly raised
17:50 chetty I dont doubt the uptick is partly a matter of fashion and names, but it doesnt explain it all, something else is going on there
17:50 mircea_popescu pollution is my guess.
17:51 chetty chems in foods etc, probably
17:51 mircea_popescu yep
17:51 cazalla mircea_popescu, ever come across gender dysphoria or same story as autism?
17:51 mircea_popescu actually that DID happen.
17:52 mircea_popescu maybe 1 in 20 preteen chick wanted to be a boy.
17:52 mircea_popescu for various intensities of want.
17:52 * chetty raises hand
17:52 cazalla boy wanting to be girl i mean, tom boys are a given
17:53 mircea_popescu i think i knew a grand total of maybe a dozen kids that'd be what you call confused. prolly more, but kept secret because at the time pretty stigmatic.
17:54 chetty why do you suppose tom boys are a given, but boys wanting to be girls is wierd?
17:55 mircea_popescu and to help everyone interested evaluate the above numeric claims : at the time in romania, housing was "allocated", to first time parents. so basically, you'd marry, play with the wife, once she missed a period you made a claim with your place of employment and ~1 year later they'd give you the keys to a new apartment. the density was maybe 1k / sqkm. i was a first born, but most families had two or more children - pl
17:55 mircea_popescu enty as many as four or five.
17:55 mircea_popescu consequently, in the 1sqkm area that's the hunting grounds of one healthy boy, i literally knew, by sight, thousands of kids.
17:56 mircea_popescu and then in school, three 4 year cycles of 1-3k kids each.
17:56 mircea_popescu 10k is a fair outer bound.
17:57 cazalla chetty, i guess because i grew up knowing of some whereas the idea that a boy would think he is a girl was foreign to me until more recent years.. just an anecdote, but i see most of the boy to girl shit coming from sjw types, that's all
17:57 trinque cazalla: seems that's part of a larger category of "identity fuck"
17:57 cazalla in other words, i'm already familiar (comfortable?) with the idea of tom boys
17:58 chetty well in fairness, tome boys dont always want to be boys, they just want the freedom
17:58 trinque this idea that one can identify as anything, plant, mineral, sports mascot
17:58 mircea_popescu chetty i suspect it's one way but not the other for purely biological reasons. specifically : 9 yos can do the same number of pull-ups.
17:59 mircea_popescu then the girls get tits and butts, and they can no longer lift themselves up for a kingdom
17:59 mircea_popescu it'
17:59 mircea_popescu s readily obvious why kids' want to be boys rather than girls at that age.
18:04 mircea_popescu PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers << yeah, that's proven. autism merely suspected.
18:04 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << except the machine is made to fail once it no longer can work.
18:05 mircea_popescu PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way? << "but they translated the hebrew word for young woman to the greek word for nine months, and hence..."
18:06 PeterL lol
18:09 mircea_popescu thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy. << actually... these "enemies" of ours are more like wanna-be girlfriends than anything.
18:10 mircea_popescu unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/73689d7ace567310af77d9447f485714/tumblr_n65wcoNI0U1tn6yoxo1_1280.jpg
18:10 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrhcxH )
18:13 mircea_popescu o look Apocalyptic. how goes ?
18:14 mircea_popescu PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting << it's the end of days i tell you, idiots here think 2br/1ba apts are 150k
18:16 mircea_popescu ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow << neiother of these are either rare, ahrd to get or particularly useful/desirable.
18:16 PeterL but it's the taxes that kill you, you pay 4k+/yr property tax for these cheap houses, and city income tax of 2.5% (suburbs have no income tax)
18:16 Adlai mircea_popescu: "made to fail once it no longer can work" << these are not binary
18:17 mircea_popescu obviously. but there's still more error checking in the uterus than in the space program.
18:17 mircea_popescu PeterL ahahaha wuit, city income tax ?!
18:17 mircea_popescu gtfo roflmao omfg. what ?!
18:17 mircea_popescu how does a city even have the fucking authority to make an income tax ?!
18:17 PeterL yeah, dumb idea, anybody who earns income moves out
18:18 mircea_popescu nopbody told city hall "dudes, stfu and mind the parking meters" ?
18:18 PeterL State passed a law because Detroit begged them to, Lansing charges 1%
18:18 mircea_popescu it's absurd.
18:18 mircea_popescu how about i buy a building, make a building income tax ?!
18:18 PeterL a couple other cities in MI also have 1%, but most don't have any
18:18 Adlai you should start a tax-free residential office park right outside the official city limits
18:19 PeterL usually they also charge 1/2 the income tax to people who work in the city but live elsewhere
18:19 mike_c NYC tax is 3.5%
18:19 mircea_popescu Adlai nope. because once it's established they'd try to steal it and i'd have to go to war and massaacre them.
18:19 PeterL the city of Southfield is essentially one giant office park for companies who wanted to move offices out of the city
18:20 Adlai has it since instituted its own shitty tax?
18:20 PeterL no, but they do have pretty high propety tax there, I think
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00042637 = 2.3813 BTC [+]
18:21 PeterL http://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/detroit/the-worst-suburbs-in-detroit a brief introduction to the Detroit area
18:21 assbot The Worst Suburbs in Detroit ... ( http://bit.ly/1zriNDt )
18:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's kinda funny to me how many of these "online magazines" copied after the atlantic sprung up everywhere. they almost look like all the boost-baseds "bitcoin businesses", except they're driven by scammers who scam the dod instead of scammers who scam idiot bitcopiners.
18:22 mircea_popescu vaguely related : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikers_Island google for "preet"
18:22 assbot Rikers Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zriQPQ )
18:22 mircea_popescu apparently guy thinks he needs all the pr he can get.
18:22 TheNewDeal ;;later tell TomServo around until Monday. Hope we can finally get in touch if you need to!
18:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:23 Apocalyptic not bad mircea_popescu, what about you ?
18:24 mircea_popescu not bad nopt bad.
18:24 Adlai your p key on the other hand seems to be cryping out for some love
18:24 mircea_popescu :p
18:35 Adlai ;;bc,stats
18:35 gribble Current Blocks: 344282 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 453 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46723759744.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.10251
18:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough << if they have no concept of the enemy, the latter can persuade them to 'act sanely' in a harmless - to him - direction, when it suits him
18:48 asciilifeform danielpbarron: pogo notes << shameful mistake on my part re: jtag pinouts. the soldered wires, turns out, actually lead to (useless to me) gpio pins, not jtag
18:48 asciilifeform danielpbarron: the actual jtag test points are small and gnarly, clustered around cpu. i'll get around to them some time..
18:48 danielpbarron i'm trying to figure this uboot thing out right now. is this a proper thing to be looking at? -> http://ftp.denx.de/pub/u-boot/u-boot-latest.tar.bz2
18:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmbhH )
18:50 asciilifeform autism epidemiology << one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank.
18:51 asciilifeform danielpbarron: the uboot source is pretty easy to build
18:53 danielpbarron i made this config file: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WeNwB1mR
18:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmDMU )
18:53 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: wanna-be girlfriends << you mean groupie who false accusing it?
18:54 thestringpuller everytime i see pogo plug now I think of a pogo stick shaped butt plug
18:54 asciilifeform danielpbarron: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=a7Sidjqn << here's mine
18:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmOYy )
18:56 danielpbarron you used the sheevaplug board option i see
18:56 asciilifeform aha
18:56 asciilifeform works fine.
18:57 danielpbarron i was gonna use MV88f6281GTW_GE Board
18:57 danielpbarron how did you know to do that?
18:57 asciilifeform iirc i picked it from the built-in menuconfig thingie in uboot's build system
18:58 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/#comment-10985 << lol!
18:58 assbot Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrngWJ )
19:00 danielpbarron compiling now
19:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ipso definitio not sanely.
19:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more along the lines of 'folks shouldn't stay and be sane back on the farm, there's a war on, go to the front'
19:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iatrogenic << nah, my money's on a yet unidentified pollutant from industrial practice. something in consumer products, from the shitty gelatin kraft/unilver uses as the basis of all their "products" - really flavoured goop, to soaps plastics w/e.
19:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform folks should fight whatever war they feel like.
19:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if it's a pollutant, it'd have to be one that usa takes in more or less evenly...?
19:03 asciilifeform for instance, the california sv folks don't eat much 'kraft'
19:03 mircea_popescu thestringpuller no, i mean low value idiots who'd gladly suck our cock if only we a) didn't bang hotties and b) validated their self-hottie delusions.
19:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform industry is industry. they all use the same thing.
19:03 mircea_popescu you imagine there's any difference between ANY fizzy drink ?
19:03 asciilifeform lol no.
19:03 mircea_popescu (this includes all beers)
19:05 asciilifeform the fizzy drinks and synthetic beers have been around longer than autism, though.
19:05 mircea_popescu look it up.
19:05 mircea_popescu autism starts to move up just about the time warren buffett starts derping about how great wrigley is.
19:06 mircea_popescu it's a by-product of the "Great Industrial Integration" of the late 60s
19:06 asciilifeform more general observation, one explanation of the american attitude to pollutants (the more the merrier) is that it is precisely for the same reason as poettering et al's attitude to software.
19:06 danielpbarron ok i have an executable file named 'u-boot'
19:06 asciilifeform bury folks in an ocean of shit - no blame can be assigned
19:06 asciilifeform or so the perpetrator assumes.
19:06 mircea_popescu danielpbarron wd.
19:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's certainly damned hard to fish through the soup currently.
19:07 asciilifeform and it isn't as if you can craft a mouse model for autism.
19:07 mircea_popescu right.
19:07 danielpbarron is this the same file i can write to /dev/mtd0 ?
19:07 mircea_popescu but incidentally : girl bought 'dijon mustard' by kraft. made to mimic actual legitimate producers.
19:07 mircea_popescu immediately tasted the telltale bitter back of mouth aftertaste.
19:08 asciilifeform danielpbarron: gotta use the util. described in the original article. it sets the ecc bits in the eeprom
19:08 mircea_popescu ALL THEIR FUCKING SHIT is made out of the same goop, with flavourings.
19:08 danielpbarron nandwrite ?
19:08 asciilifeform aha
19:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where i live, the synthetic food is conveniently shelved in another (by far largest) section of the store than the mostly-correct (to look, feel, and taste) variant
19:09 mircea_popescu from persil to bosco
19:10 asciilifeform the vendors aren't really trying to mimic the genuine article.
19:11 asciilifeform it is entirely clear to the naked eye (no need to open the seal) where the identical goop is.
19:12 asciilifeform (aside from logo, geometrically regular packages with no expiration date or date in distant future, proximity to other similar products on the shelf, and - above all - cost closer to what one might expect of motor fuel than food)
19:12 asciilifeform this says nothing on the question of contaminants found in 'proper' food in same shop, but i did want to point out that the two fundamentally different things are shelved separately
19:13 asciilifeform and there can be no confusion between them, imho
19:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.0004269 = 1.9851 BTC [+]
19:17 danielpbarron d'oh i'm dumb; it's in /usr/sbin/
19:20 mircea_popescu mebbe.
19:21 mircea_popescu in practical terms, however, most people eat pre-produced stuff, either at home or in a "restaurant"
19:21 mircea_popescu from mcdo to tgi or w/e.
19:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whatever it is, u.s. folks from 'high society' obsessed with 'natural product' are getting their fair share of it - or more.
19:23 mircea_popescu myeah.
19:24 asciilifeform the ones who wouldn't be 'caught dead' at, e.g., 'mcdonald's'
19:25 mircea_popescu there is the occasional shop that's competent, but by and large the label offers no protection.
19:25 mircea_popescu much like college degrees offer no guarantee
19:25 danielpbarron i've got two examples of writing uboot and they use different flags and different start addresses
19:26 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/435f263d9395e1e89a50eb313d407074/tumblr_ng2gwf5YGA1rne0mao1_500.jpg for teh lulz.
19:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOebNG )
19:26 asciilifeform danielpbarron: flags and start addresses !?!
19:26 asciilifeform danielpbarron: it goes right on top of the old uboot
19:26 asciilifeform mtd0
19:26 danielpbarron /tmp/nandwrite /dev/mtd0 /tmp/uboot.2014.07-tld-1.pogo_v4.mtd0.kwb
19:27 asciilifeform danielpbarron: you want to erase the nand, yes
19:27 danielpbarron /usr/sbin/nandwrite -p -s 0x100000 /dev/mtd0 /tmp/uboot.bin
19:27 asciilifeform if you omit the block count, it does the whole partition.
19:27 asciilifeform nononono
19:27 asciilifeform flash_erase /dev/mtd1 0
19:27 asciilifeform well, mtd0
19:27 asciilifeform in this case
19:28 asciilifeform and then,
19:28 cazalla this food talk reminds me of current hysteria of hepatitis a laden frozen berries from china doing the rounds here in australia, many people such, much surprise for some reason.. while on holidays, i spot the same shit in my parents freezer, advise em that they might not wanna eat this but get met with abuse, you think you know everything response.. a month later, hep a scare! so sweet lulz
19:28 asciilifeform nandwrite -p /dev/mtd0 whatever
19:28 danielpbarron and i can use the flash_erase and nandwrite that come on the stock pogo?
19:28 asciilifeform danielpbarron: can
19:28 danielpbarron should*?
19:28 asciilifeform or build'em on whatever you're running
19:28 asciilifeform they're fairly low-tech
19:28 danielpbarron :O
19:29 cazalla http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-hep-A-media-1-frozen-berry.htm of course, people are now calling for proper labelling but apparently no can do due to trade agreements, guess people must eat their shit berries and be content
19:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17igpr8 )
19:30 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the poloplug ranch http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwh6sgckoV1qa258ao1_1280.jpg
19:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17igqvb )
19:30 asciilifeform lol!
19:30 asciilifeform what even.
19:32 asciilifeform http://www.slideserve.com/saber/programming-in-the-small-c-c-java-pitfalls-ada-benefits << interesting - for aficionados of 'underhanded c' also
19:33 assbot Programming in the Small: C/C++/Java Pitfalls & Ada Benefits - Franco Gaspe... ... ( http://bit.ly/17igBGT )
19:33 asciilifeform puts some light on why there will never be an 'underhanded ada' contest.
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36616 @ 0.0004269 = 15.6314 BTC [+]
19:40 mircea_popescu "But it's the wealth gap that we should be worried about, soon to be greatly increased. Wealth gaps mean feudalism. They mean, on the one hand, universal healthcare-- everyone gets the same; on the other hand, flow chart medicine-- since everyone gets the same, let's just make a flowchart. It also means mental health parity, which is really a way to funnel the poor into the only outlet we have to deal with their rage
19:40 mircea_popescu : psychiatry. "
19:40 mircea_popescu heh. tlp has a poor man's view of rich people.
19:40 mircea_popescu call me when they fill up a ranch with young fillies collected from detroit. then they may be rich in the feudal sense of powerful.
19:41 asciilifeform not too many poor folks with a 'rich man's view' of rich
19:45 asciilifeform re: autism pollutant: when i tell folks that north kr is a unique planetary resource whose (very likely) disappearance could turn out to be an extinction-level catastrophe - they make monkey noises
19:45 asciilifeform but this is why.
19:46 asciilifeform if it takes a batshit king and world's thickest minefield to keep out 'mcdonalds', it might yet turn out to be worth it.
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19:47 asciilifeform sometimes, 'sanity' - as in, nash-equilibrium behaviour - is death.
19:47 asciilifeform and 'insanity' - life.
19:49 asciilifeform think of it as 'airgap' from civilization.
20:00 ben_vulpes good evening
20:02 asciilifeform 'Platinum - also called platina is the heaviest substance but one (see No. 47) known, having a specific gravity of fully 21, which may be raised to about 21.5 by hammering.' - Encyclopaedia of Practical Receipts and Processes. William B. Dick, 1872. << mega-vintage-l0l
20:03 * asciilifeform wonder how much pre-atomic chemistry remains quietly in circulation to this day, in various 'practical' works
20:05 ben_vulpes there are always those water-fueled cars...
20:05 asciilifeform not speaking of pseudoscience as such
20:06 asciilifeform but notions like the above, that actually trace descent to late pre-atomic state of the art
20:06 asciilifeform actually strike that.
20:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 125 @ 0.01177323 = 1.4717 BTC [+] {4}
20:07 asciilifeform turns out in english 'specific gravity' == density
20:07 asciilifeform and so entirely reasonable to ask to hammer. just odd phrasing
20:07 ben_vulpes ;;calc .5/21
20:07 gribble 0.0238095238095
20:07 ben_vulpes but a 2 percent increase?
20:08 asciilifeform can anyone tell me if Pt forms a hydride in nature?
20:08 * ben_vulpes shakes his head sadly
20:08 asciilifeform can anyone guess why this has to be asked
20:09 * ben_vulpes doesn't guess. knows or doesn't.
20:10 ben_vulpes but i would like to know.
20:10 asciilifeform if i recall, abundance of 'heavy water' (D2O) on earth is around 0.0003
20:11 asciilifeform eh, nm again, it was palladium deuteride not platinum, that fuses if hammered.
20:11 * asciilifeform off to get some rest
20:12 ben_vulpes <NewLiberty> [] USD will kill USD, even without XBT << xbt lol
20:12 ben_vulpes everyone and their custom phrasing
20:17 ben_vulpes <pete_dushenski> [] Xuthus: and who would you be ? << that guy who broke his dick, right?
20:17 ben_vulpes uses a new nick now for reasons?
20:19 mircea_popescu no?
20:20 ben_vulpes a no.
20:20 ben_vulpes my mistake.
20:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59500 @ 0.000421 = 25.0495 BTC [-] {2}
20:23 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/64cdf852d93b8cd579e950efb42d20a9/tumblr_nav669ULIl1se6ghyo1_1280.jpg << i think she's trying to debug his pulseaudio.
20:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAmo9w )
20:23 ben_vulpes hahaha
20:25 ben_vulpes ;;later tell PeterL get moar pixels
20:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:28 ben_vulpes "fascicle" << new word for me today
20:29 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> [] pollution is my guess. << "you don't need to make up and over fit models to convince me that the silicon fabrication process is realrealreal bad for life on planet earth"
20:30 danielpbarron http://blog.cylance.com/author/brian-wallace << i went to school with this guy / haven't talked to him in years
20:30 assbot Blog | Cylance ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAnBO4 )
20:36 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [] the fizzy drinks and synthetic beers have been around longer than autism, though. << what on earth is synthetic beer!?
20:38 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> [] there is the occasional shop that's competent, but by and large the label offers no protection. << nice thing about growing up proximate to actual farm land worked by actual humans is the learned skill of being able to nix Cisco-vendors after a single visit.
20:38 ben_vulpes to all of the ex-californians, a french fry is a french fry is a french fry.
20:38 danielpbarron they use hfcs in most big name beers
20:38 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: good grief
20:39 ben_vulpes i don't even drink beer anymore
20:39 * danielpbarron either
20:39 ben_vulpes this vile stout of convenience aside
20:39 ben_vulpes bad shits
20:44 mike_c what an asshole:
20:44 mike_c !gettrust crypto/quo
20:44 assbot Trust relationship from user mike_c to user crypto/quo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mike_c/crypto%2Fquo | http://w.b-a.link/user/crypto%2Fquo
20:44 mike_c who puts a goddamn forward slash in their nick
20:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes all us beer
20:46 mircea_popescu coca cola flavoured as "beer"
20:46 ben_vulpes mike_c: ask nubbins`
20:47 mike_c backtick is easier!
20:47 mike_c note kako's wot links don't work for him
20:47 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: dunno about 'all'.
20:47 ben_vulpes would believe 'anything from busch et al'
20:48 mircea_popescu well, put it another way : if tax was paid on it it necessarily sucks, because well... it couldn't not suck and stay competitive.
20:48 TheNewDeal ;;ticker
20:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 240.7, Best ask: 241.79, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 240.7, 24 hour volume: 9188.93705848, 24 hour low: 235.59, 24 hour high: 245.01, 24 hour vwap: 240.188239723
20:48 mircea_popescu so sure, w/e your microbrewing friend gave you in exchange for those two 6 yos you kidnapped is prolly drinkable.
20:50 ben_vulpes i don't think you've seen beer prices around here lately.
20:51 ben_vulpes the delta between ye olde mass markete pricing and the locally made swill is on the order of 200-300%
20:51 ben_vulpes which affords for tax without hfcs
20:51 decimation asciilifeform: one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank. << who knows, maybe it comes from giving out antibiotics like candy
20:51 trinque plenty of excellent microbrew in the pac NW
20:52 asciilifeform 200-300% << and more
20:52 mircea_popescu jesus this free speech thing i can't even force a point beyond all reason without you people oppressing my metaphordisphoria
20:52 asciilifeform but one could argue that at a certain point it is an irresistible temptation to the sc4mz0rz, rather than guarantee of genuine article
20:53 decimation asciilifeform: the vendors aren't really trying to mimic the genuine article. << no, they optimize on 'sales'
20:53 asciilifeform also worth noting that sc4mf00dz are not new
20:54 asciilifeform were a problem, to some extent, even in late medieval times
20:54 asciilifeform (as described in, e.g., sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools')
20:55 asciilifeform the encyclopaedia i mentioned earlier today (1872) contained innumerable recipes for useful things, but also for faux honey, sham ass's milk (yes), and a thousand other fakeries
20:56 asciilifeform what -is- relatively new is the near-total loss of access to actual food for quite a few folks.
20:56 decimation asciilifeform: you gonna mine the seafloor for Pt?
20:56 asciilifeform decimation: was a failed line of thought re: densities
20:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not new at all. recall "david copperfield" - "with actual sugar on top!11"
20:56 mircea_popescu london's poor ate belts for centuries.
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55517 @ 0.00042208 = 23.4326 BTC [+] {2}
20:57 decimation also they drank shit-water from the thames
20:57 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> jesus this free speech thing i can't even force a point beyond all reason without you people oppressing my metaphordisphoria << it's for the logs :P
20:57 asciilifeform boil belt, boil accordion, etc
20:57 ben_vulpes no implications may go unspoken
20:57 ben_vulpes no jokes may go unexplained
20:57 ben_vulpes less the children of tomorrow not get it
20:58 ben_vulpes lest*
20:58 ben_vulpes that's the rationale, right?
21:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.08996019 = 8.996 BTC [-] {5}
21:00 trinque ben_vulpes: childen of tomorrow wont be able to read
21:00 decimation http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/48176-18th-century-london-its-daily.html < " In 1771, Tobias Smollet wrote, "If I would drink water, I must quaff the mawkish contents of an open aqueduct, exposed to all manner of defilement, or swallow that which comes from the River Thames, impregnated with all the filth of London and Westminster. Human excrement is the least offensive part of the concrete, which is composed of all the drugs,
21:00 assbot 18th Century London - its daily life and hazards. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkBEng )
21:00 decimation minerals, and poisons used in mechanics and manufacture, enriched with the putrefying carcases of beasts and men, and mixed with the scourings of all the wash-tubs, kennels and common sewers within the bills of mortality." (5)"
21:02 mike_c an open aqueduct is mawkish? you mean.. like a river?
21:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68044 @ 0.00041844 = 28.4723 BTC [-] {2}
21:02 trinque heh, now it's fracking chemicals and recycled pharmeceutical piss
21:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72685 @ 0.00041291 = 30.0124 BTC [-] {2}
21:04 decimation http://www.brunel-museum.org.uk/shop2/the-brunels-tunnel/ << Herr Brunel dug underneath the filth to achieve one of his great engineering feats
21:04 assbot The Brunel Museum » The Brunels’ Tunnel ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkC4dq )
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34092 @ 0.00041133 = 14.0231 BTC [-]
21:08 ben_vulpes mike_c, decimation: the feds and CH2MHILL are going to cover our historic open reservoirs.
21:08 ben_vulpes because "a parasite!!!1!"
21:09 ben_vulpes nevermind the radon and bacterial buildup that closed reservoirs entail
21:09 ben_vulpes also
21:09 ben_vulpes subject of irc.serenissima.butts
21:09 ben_vulpes https://unstable.systems/
21:09 assbot Unstable Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkCtfS )
21:10 decimation what? what parasite
21:11 ben_vulpes cryptosporidium protozoa iirc
21:11 ben_vulpes perhaps not a parasite
21:11 ben_vulpes ianab etc
21:13 decimation this thing > http://koin.com/2014/05/20/powell-butte-ii-reservoir-design-contract-balloons/
21:13 assbot Powell Butte II reservoir design contract balloons | KOIN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ev4BNn )
21:16 danielpbarron mircea_popescu> so sure, w/e your microbrewing friend gave you << or my brother :D he even makes his own yeast cultures
21:16 mircea_popescu cool
21:16 danielpbarron that beer, i'd drink
21:18 danielpbarron SetBestChain: new best=000000000000000007e4 height=344301 work=5843887003250562996213694 date=02/20/15 02:14:19
21:18 danielpbarron SetBestChain: 3 of last 100 blocks above version 2
21:26 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-pcs-harvesting-intercept-15-0219.pdf << the thing behind the sim card lulzies earlier today
21:27 asciilifeform ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024948 and below )
21:27 assbot Logged on 19-02-2015 20:48:27; ascii_field: great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.
21:28 danielpbarron https://blockchain.info/blocks/Bitcoin%20Affiliate%20Network << this miner is using the new version
21:28 assbot Recent blocks Found By Bitcoin Affiliate Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkDFjm )
21:29 asciilifeform did someone expect that no such thing would ever appear ?
21:29 asciilifeform or what.
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.0004237 = 19.1936 BTC [+] {2}
21:29 danielpbarron just making note is all; it's interesting to me
21:30 asciilifeform depending on how much self-restraint the idiots have, it may even turn out that all usg-sponsored miners will run (or claim to run) 0.10
21:30 asciilifeform the only true 'acid test' is an actual hardfork.
21:30 asciilifeform anyone can harmlessly change a version constant.
21:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm << example of modern discrete logic machine. (there are many. common amateur project. but, afaik, nothing remotely large enough for, e.g., a bitcoin node.)
21:35 assbot Mark 1 FORTH Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkE2KJ )
21:35 mircea_popescu they prolly should wotify jus' in case...
21:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00040807 = 13.2419 BTC [-]
21:45 decimation for even more ancient warez, you might as well reinvent the original stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5P5faf7478
21:45 assbot Colossus - Operational at Bletchley - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkECIu )
21:47 TheNewDeal thanks for taking time to write that hard drive article ascii
21:52 danielpbarron i got a bunch of warnings, but i seem to have my own nandwrite and flash_erase compiled from this source -> ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils/
21:53 danielpbarron i'm not anywhere near skilled enough to check that source for badness though
21:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44528 @ 0.00041137 = 18.3175 BTC [+]
22:01 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-how-social-media-failed/
22:02 decimation http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kampf-gegen-rechts-ein-volk-von-antifaschisten-13429214.html < "Nichts tut so gut wie das Gefühl, gegen Rechts zu kämpfen."
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22:02 assbot Kampf gegen Rechts: Ein Volk von Antifaschisten - Inland - FAZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkFq03 )
22:02 decimation "nothing feels as good as fighting rightists
22:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6409 @ 0.00041137 = 2.6365 BTC [+]
22:14 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: glad you liked it
22:14 asciilifeform TheNewDeal et al: if the chance comes again, i'll write another.
22:14 asciilifeform that particular piece was by request from BingoBoingo.
22:15 decimation "Jeder, der ein rohes Hühnerei in die Demo wirft, darf sich einmal fühlen wie Stauffenberg im Kampf gegen Hitler - doch der Vergleich hinkt: Stauffenberg war ja auch irgendwie Rechts, oder?" < Anyone who throws a raw egg in the demonstration may once feel like Stauffenberg in the fight against Hilter - but the comparison is misleading - Stauffenberg was kind of a rightist [Nazi, fascist] too?
22:20 decimation "Und das jährliche Turnier „Golf gegen Rechts“ hat sich um den „New Golf Award 2015“ beworben. Ausgezeichnet werden dabei die innovativsten Ideen für ein neues Golf-Turnier." < the annual "golf against the rightists" tournament has been awared the "new golf award 2015" for the most innovative idea for a new golf tournament.
22:21 asciilifeform ^ there's got to be some kind of 'parody event horizon crossing' prize this could win.
22:22 decimation yeah
22:23 decimation the modern germans have become a parody of a parody of an anti-nazi poster
22:27 decimation of course, the fact that no actual nazis exist (nor the fact that nearly every modern german has a nazi ancestor) doesn't stop them from using it to prop up their vote-banks
22:32 mircea_popescu <decimation> "nothing feels as good as fighting rightists << somebody's bound to sooner or later discover sexual intimacy and move on.
22:34 mircea_popescu ""No sex with Nazis"
22:34 mircea_popescu In addition, anti-fascism was never to have as cheap as today. Previously, he could cost you your life, today it costs no more than lip service among peers - and heard to this, the exclusive circle of the upright, decent, brave. The fighters against law form the peerage of enlightened society. Or even a shot polemical: Here is an indulgence trade takes place; the moral superiority can be acquired simply by joining the
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22:34 mircea_popescu fight against right."
22:34 mircea_popescu win.
22:34 mircea_popescu The repertoire is considerable: There is the rock against law and rapping against the Right, of course, sing and cry against law, but also against the right costumes and football games against law. The "Green Youth" in Hamburg regularly invites to "Celebrate against law," a political deal, which is by the way very well received by young people, and the children of the class 7b of Augustin-Wibbelt High School in Warendo
22:34 mircea_popescu rf even dancing against law - early practice only makes me be an anti-fascist. The other hand, is difficult to measure the success of the courageous campaign of the DGB youth in Dortmund: "No sex with Nazis." And possibly mix different motivations in Berlin Initiative "According to fuck each law."
22:34 mircea_popescu srsly google totally proves poe's law.
22:36 mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1635233428e38f163e5fcbc6147ed52c/tumblr_nct5qyru8Y1s9l8ylo2_400.gif
22:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GagCZy )
22:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00040631 = 28.7667 BTC [-] {3}
22:39 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah I figured you would like that
22:39 decimation "I can be a slut - it's okay as long as I don't fuck a nazi!"
~ 19 minutes ~
22:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00041888 = 20.1481 BTC [+] {3}
23:00 mircea_popescu weren't nazis gay anyway ?
23:05 decimation well, didn't Goebbels have kids for his wife to poison?
23:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dairy farm ?
23:20 ben_vulpes there are all kinds of fluids in that gif
23:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00042757 = 19.1765 BTC [+] {2}
23:20 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there are many fluids at a dairy farm, even if only one is packaged for sale
23:20 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm << ah goodness hardware implementations of forth and lisp make me wish for a fueled rocket
23:20 assbot Mark 1 FORTH Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/19GBInV )
23:21 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and in yourself, myself...
23:22 asciilifeform the inevitable question is, was the milk sold.
23:23 decimation http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/daniel_sumner_o.html > "I just have to mention that I once saw a hearing on this on TV and I was paying attention, for a while, because I thought this would be good for my class; ... But the high point of this, which made it all worthwhile, was one of the Senators asked the milk person why milk was treated so differently from every other product. And there was an awkward silence. And of course
23:23 assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/17iAQ7w )
23:23 decimation the real reason is because of politics; and we're going to get to that in a second. But the person had to say something. He couldn't just say, 'Because I'm politically important.' Or, 'My state is politically important.' Or whatever it was. So, he said,' Well, milk is special.' And the Senator, who was not from a milk state, said,' Why?' And the witness had a problem there. He had to think of something. So he said, 'Well, milk's bulky.'
23:23 decimation "
23:23 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: or drunk
23:28 ben_vulpes good evening pete_dooce
23:30 ben_vulpes ;;seen artifexd
23:30 gribble artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <artifexd> Go
23:38 pete_dushenski decimation lol loved that milk line
23:42 decimation milk is bulky, so give us money
23:43 decimation another good one from the same podcast: " A man named Northly[?] came--he was the Executive Vice President of the North Carolina Peanut Association. Wonderful guy. He stood up as this conference was ending, and he said, 'Let me tell you about the peanut program. There's only two people in America who understand how the peanut program works. It's my job to keep it that way.'"
23:47 pete_dushenski then 30 years later: "i never said that, but it sounds like me!"
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50032 @ 0.00042772 = 21.3997 BTC [+]
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