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20:43 Vex http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2024-12-05#1116830 crazy, right?
20:43 dulapbot Logged on 2024-12-05 02:10:14 mats: they’ve been printing money on the 100+bn usd in yield from the treasuries they’re holding. and considering the size of the Eurodollar market (prob in excess of 18tn today), and tether’s market dominance (around 66%) in stablecoins, I think it’s plausible they’ll be earning around 2-3% yield on a trillion dollars in treasuries behind issued usdt in the next decade. they could face competition from other issuers sharing yield
20:44 Vex it's like some half arsed business model from bctalk
20:51 Vex kyc indeed. treasury knows they're a good customer
20:58 Vex aren't their books notoriously un-public too?
21:09 mats they're a private outfit and under no obligation to open their books
21:09 Vex i'd be tempted to negotiate the rate with those kinda numbers
21:10 Vex "hey, about those indexed bonds.."
21:10 mats there's no evidence they're holding inflation-indexed bonds
21:11 mats anyway, we could very well go back to a ZIRP environment and then they get ruined by duration risk
21:11 mats but right now they're by far the most profitable org by headcount on earth
21:13 Vex I wonder if the desk jockeys get paid okay
21:13 mats looks like they might have been more profitable than goldman this year
21:13 mats forget blackrock, they're basically running a charity over there with their expense ratios
21:13 Vex lol
21:14 Vex what's stopping a copypaste, if their shit's so simple?
21:15 mats which org
21:15 Vex t
21:16 mats i never said anything was simple
21:16 mats the key to outcompeting incumbents is you have to offer something they don't in order to take their market share
21:16 mats that's also the problem
21:17 mats they can just adopt the mechanic you're using and crush you with inertia
21:18 mats this is the key that all the social media outfits before fb was missing
21:18 mats were missing
21:18 Vex which mechanic? getting big?
21:19 mats in the specific case of tether, as i said before, new stablecoin entrants could (and, i think, are) offer treasury yield sharing to users as a market differentiator
21:19 mats and tether can do that too
21:20 Vex mebbe they need it for `who they know'
21:21 mats in the case of facebook, meta adopted stories, messenger day, and slingshot (learned from snapchat), reels (tiktok), live audio rooms (clubhouse)
21:22 mats facebook/meta
21:22 Vex what cool shit does tether have? you can walk into kings roman and spend it?
21:22 mats facebook marketplace (craigslist), facebook live (periscope), facebook dating (tinder/bumble)
21:24 mats the killer feature of tether is simple -- v low fee (compared to all alternatives) cross-border payments with dollars
21:25 mats people use it for payments too but i'm not super familiar with that beyond what's in public reporting
21:25 mats i don't live in a place that has issues with getting dollars
21:25 mats retail payments
21:26 Vex I only use aud unless i'm overseas.
21:27 Vex you could prolly hand me a fake benjamin. I might not know
21:28 mats its hard to understate how useful usdt is, and how dangerous it is to governments with capital/currency controls
21:29 Vex oh yeah
21:29 mats extremely difficult to interdict short of draconian intervention in citizens usage of the internet
21:29 Vex I was wondering how it was legal, but reading your shit yesterday, it kinda clicked
21:30 mats normally it is impractical or impossible for billions people to get physical dollars or usd via bank accounts, because their financial institution won't let them acquire it, they don't have a bank at all, the friction is extremely high (fees and limits), their local govt won't allow them to get it owing to currency controls and an interest in preventing capital flight, currency runs, and speculative attack against the local currency
21:30 mats its going to be a shit show
21:30 mats and all of this adds up to oxygen for the reich
21:31 mats this is why the americans haven't crushed tether despite the fact the operators are in bvi and eu
21:31 mats they're creatures of the empire
21:32 mats we haven't even gotten to the stage where wall st has begun formal tokenisation of traditional assets
21:33 mats which will only accelerate capital flows into the empire
21:35 mats i don't have any interest in it but you could probably find a million people on the planet who want a piece of trump tower's earnings from tenant leases or whatever cre shit
21:35 mats maybe a hundred million people
21:36 mats there's serious regulatory hurdles and not given it will happen but use your imagination as to how far this financialisation could go
21:36 mats and the incentives that exist for owners to do it
21:40 mats yes there would be an extreme response to it by strong, autocratic states, but capital naturally interprets restrictions as damage and routes around it
21:40 Vex i literally can't imagine, i'm mid range financially literate on a good day. I don't think anyone's in charge
21:40 mats to abuse the expression about internet routing around censorship
21:40 Vex oh yes. that
21:40 mats a quarter trillion usd in capital exited china since covid
21:40 mats the most awesome and expansive surveillance state in the history of human civ
21:41 mats http://archive.today/2024.10.26-220330/https://www.wsj.com/world/china/china-economy-capital-flight-2ba6391b
21:42 mats actually, correction, it happened in a single year
21:44 mats billions of people naturally have incentive to seek safe (or productive) harbour for their capital and the internet and crypto will make it possible
21:45 mats even if four billion of those people only have like $3000 in wealth apiece
21:45 mats or whatever the number is
21:52 mats thanks for coming to my ted talk
21:52 Vex thanks for putting it on. real chin scratcher
21:53 mats long live the reich
21:53 Vex lol. keep winning mats
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