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10:55 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2023-09-22#1115196 << aside from comment where iirc said 'theoretically one could link 2 trb nodez over pest, but why' , dun recall any such thing
10:55 dulapbot Logged on 2023-09-22 22:19:47 Vex: I recall that alf had considered including coinage to pest. Imagine if my pest wot would reach all the way to the honda factory
10:56 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2023-09-22#1115197 << aside from above, ~0
10:56 dulapbot Logged on 2023-09-22 22:30:58 Vex: adding pest to coinage would obviously be fun too. I wonder how much of the design came from alf's wrok on trb
10:58 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform's official pov re trb .
10:59 asciilifeform let's try that again
10:59 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform's official pov re trb .
10:59 dulapbot (pest) 2023-07-16 asciilifeform: not burns with desire to reopen the hood on trb (barring discovery of catastrophic bugola), as errytime he does so quickly comes to conclusion that what it really needs is a jerry can of gas, a bic, and a sane rewrite
11:00 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2023-09-22#1115199 << last known sighting of subj fwiw
11:00 dulapbot Logged on 2023-09-22 22:34:22 Vex: i didn't notice in the logs where phf definitively parted.
11:00 dulapbot (pest) 2023-07-03 phf: we could further discuss if that's actually the case and the why's and the who's, but that's not to be, because i basically had a day of quite mulling over the things you said about me, and i have no interest or desire to be communicate with you any further
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19:09 mats https://claims-market.com
19:10 mats oops, https://claims-market.com/pricing
19:18 asciilifeform mats: wassat ?
19:18 asciilifeform aint obv from the linked page
19:20 mats pricing of claims from ftx, blockfi, celsius, voyager
19:20 asciilifeform a la goxcoin? a ok
19:21 mats yes
19:22 asciilifeform mats: wb btw. what've you been up to ? ( other than shopping for goxcoin... )
19:23 mats wait, was goxcoin an actual cryptocurrency?
19:23 mats just skimmed a wired article where it mentions goxcoin and mastercoin
19:23 mats this thing is just people trading claims
19:24 asciilifeform iirc goxcoin wasn't at any point an actual alt, but at one time there was at least 2 exchanges b/w which it could be moved
19:24 mats hm
19:24 mats not been up to much, just listing in the wind
19:25 asciilifeform mats: got fantastically rich yet ?
19:25 mats never
19:25 * asciilifeform also not
19:26 mats i've been thinking about the next thing
19:26 asciilifeform ... there's a next thing ?
19:26 mats ah, for me personally, as far as where to spend my free time
19:26 asciilifeform a
19:27 mats some young people tell me that there's serious money in mobile game cheating
19:27 asciilifeform mats: weren'tcha trying out to become a mercenary? (or was that sumbody else)
19:27 mats gacha games
19:28 * asciilifeform recalls when folx thought there was money in www poker cheating, after which there wasn't
19:28 mats must be someone else, i'm too out of shape to consider that
19:28 asciilifeform aok
19:29 mats if you visit asia, you might notice that the sides of city buses and other billboard ad spaces are festooned with mobile gaming ads
19:29 asciilifeform in usa too
19:29 mats poorly disguised gambling apps in most cases
19:30 asciilifeform i.e. game gold is convertible to saecular dough ?
19:30 mats in one direction, yeah
19:31 mats makes me wonder which games have a semi-functioning (or better) secondary market or otherwise 'escape hatch', like being able to trade items to other players
19:31 * asciilifeform not deeply familiar with subj, if not counting mp's version
19:32 asciilifeform iirc this is how 'wow' gold worked -- folx would advertise for sale on e.g. ebay, then meet buyer in game and 'give'
19:32 mats exactly
19:32 mats steve bannon famously made a fortune exploiting chinese gold farmers
19:33 * asciilifeform also recalls legend where chinese prisoners condemned to 'mine' wowgold 'for the good of the motherland'
19:33 mats i was somewhat hip to this while it was in progress, but the people i knew doing it were skilled amateurs
19:34 asciilifeform seems plausible that sumbody, somewhere, 'made bank', but less plausible that it was anyffin but random chance precisely who
19:34 mats a closet with ten desktop computers instead of emulation
19:34 mats autoit scripts and god knows what other monstrosities
19:35 * asciilifeform many yrs ago, was broke, 'cheated' amz's 'mechanical turk' via simple cl proggy + 'headless browser'
19:35 mats https://www.pcgamer.com/north-korea-deploys-squad-of-mmo-gold-farmers-to-fund-regime
19:35 mats i heard the same legend, but it was koreans
19:36 asciilifeform likely 'no smoke w/out fire', and in fact took place somewhere
19:37 mats somewhat similarly, the western press has seen a small deluge of reports about se asian migrants being enslaved to run online scams
19:37 mats in the last two months or so
19:37 mats https://apnews.com/article/cambodia-myanmar-migrants-online-scams-ebab962f236df69b1f9b7e136958e244
19:37 * asciilifeform recalls similar rumours re prisoners in ru
19:37 asciilifeform typically with 'call center' flavour tho
19:38 mats would you prefer call center or some other job in prison
19:38 asciilifeform all such stories that asciilifeform encountered to date feature rooms fulla 'too cheap to meter'(tm)(r)(c) meat, rather than elaborate cheat proggies, tho
19:39 mats i knew some folks involved in leaguesharp a decade ago
19:39 mats a subscription cheat for league of legends
19:39 mats 'wow glider' is the other famous example, i think, also famous on account of lawsuits
19:41 asciilifeform most such biz , at least as seen from asciilifeform's perch, seems to involve sums that dun amount to much in 'first world', so never looked into subj in depth
19:42 asciilifeform if yer in charge of a sharashka fulla 1000 north kr prisoners, may be good use for'em
19:42 asciilifeform seems like the human equiv. of cpu mining
19:43 mats i think the leaguesharp guys earned about 10mn from their cheat
19:43 asciilifeform nm if tru
19:43 asciilifeform *nb
19:43 asciilifeform supposing the lawsuit not ate 100+% of it
19:44 * asciilifeform not surprised that the game vendors see these as 'their' moneys and try to 'reclaim'
19:44 mats i remember jodus mentioned the panamanian bank account they were directing payments into
19:45 mats told his dumb ass to buy bitcoins and get minions to collect fiat payments from customers and pay him in bitcoin for licenses wholesale
19:45 mats didn't listen
19:46 mats thought panama was a real country
19:46 asciilifeform lol
19:46 mats hes german too so he gets it
19:47 asciilifeform country-sized financial honeypot
19:47 asciilifeform (instituted after swiss became too obv. such, possibly)
19:48 asciilifeform 'tax havens' rugpull in afaik same manner as 'mpexes'
19:49 asciilifeform i.e. eventually scale tips and subj becomes inevitable
19:50 mats so anyway i was thinking android cheats
19:51 mats the ecosystem of devices and android flavs is huge
19:53 asciilifeform mats: how pertinent is this from pov of 'cheatron' ? would expect you only need to reverse $proggy to the extent needed to get at the protocol & whatever embedded keys
19:54 mats i'm concerned about anticheat
19:55 asciilifeform mats: what does 'anticheat' consist of ?
20:01 mats i've read there's a few different anticheat products like vmproduct, easy anticheat, themida, for pc games
20:02 mats they obfuscate the code with virtualisation, use various antidebugging and vm detection techniques
20:02 asciilifeform seem to be focused on blowing up patched copies of orig. proggy, rather than against ab initio reimpl. of protocol
20:08 mats you have a point
20:09 mats gacha games seem so similar that i envision a cheat framework for them
20:10 mats ideally i wouldn't have to reimplement the protocol at all
20:11 asciilifeform there's also the q of what, in particular case, 'cheat' has to consist of . ( i.e. are you merely emulating a north korean prisoner who plays reasonably well, and running over9000 instances of same? or does protocol letcha 'see other fella's cards' or equiv. ? )
20:11 mats in terms of first steps i thought of the ecosystem because there might be plentiful buggy vendorware
20:12 mats i'm thinking of the former at this time
20:12 asciilifeform to asciilifeform seems as if, if this kinda thing is +ev for $game , this is arguably a bug and vendor can/will fix
20:13 asciilifeform typical player oughn't get moar dough/convertible 'gold'/etc from playing than he pays to subscribe
20:14 asciilifeform if the notion is that he can, and this is fine because he is tempted to buy 'upgrades' along the way -- the latter will simply go away eventually, would think
20:14 asciilifeform ( as players are replaced by bots , which are not tempted to buy anyffin )
20:19 mats it is a bug
20:19 mats but in other respects bots are arguably a feature
20:19 mats they make your numbers look good to vcs and mgmt
20:20 asciilifeform would imagine that the latter are moar interested in cashflow #s rather than '# of players, some unknown % of which are bots'
20:20 mats botters create liquidity for in game asset owners
20:22 * asciilifeform historically uninterested in subj, seeing as the ratio of 'bank made to date' to 'folx trying to make bank' is ~infinitesimal, rather resembling e.g. spam
20:23 mats you're definitely successfully discouraging me
20:23 asciilifeform lol
20:23 asciilifeform hey if mats has magick pill against whatever is today's 'wow', then by no means oughta feel discouraged
20:23 mats i think there's a lot more people with mobiles than gaming computers
20:24 asciilifeform but in asciilifeform's lights, playing 'i'ma do the same thing as 100,000 other folx and i'ma be the one who makes bank Because Reasons' game is a waste of time
20:24 * asciilifeform must bbl
20:25 mats it happens
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