#asciilifeform | 2022-04-21

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shinohai: lulzy just how tedious of a read these tend to be

00:36

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097697 >> 'if you submit a comparator where conditions for irreflexivity or asymmetry are not met, you will find that with 31 elements the program might get into segfault whereas with 30 elements it works just fine' << funnily enuff, asciilifeform once encountered almost exactly such bug in commercial shop

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dulapbot

Logged on 2022-04-20 17:27:52 verisimilitude: I'm reading this.

00:36

asciilifeform

tho there was no c there. folx often enuff reimplement broken c-style logic in $exoticlang and then wonder

00:42

asciilifeform

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097692 << interestingly, loox like 1989 film was the last where the spammed products are what one'd expect (pistol, camera, rolex, hat, glasses). after that, seems to grow geometrically and include all sortsa rubbish

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dulapbot

Logged on 2022-04-20 14:02:36 phf: e.g. https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/nokia-phone-james-bond-no-time-die

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asciilifeform

e.g. the 1995 one already e.g. car radio, rotgut whiskey, shoes

00:44

asciilifeform

1999 -- already walkie talkies, flashlights, lol, office furniture..

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asciilifeform associates ppk pistol with der fuhrer (the other 1, who ate it, not our drowned 1) , rather than bond, for sumreason.

~ 3 hours 9 minutes ~

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00:33	asciilifeform	shinohai: lulzy just how tedious of a read these tend to be
00:36	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097697 >> 'if you submit a comparator where conditions for irreflexivity or asymmetry are not met, you will find that with 31 elements the program might get into segfault whereas with 30 elements it works just fine' << funnily enuff, asciilifeform once encountered almost exactly such bug in commercial shop
00:36	dulapbot	Logged on 2022-04-20 17:27:52 verisimilitude: I'm reading this.
00:36	asciilifeform	tho there was no c there. folx often enuff reimplement broken c-style logic in $exoticlang and then wonder
00:42	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097692 << interestingly, loox like 1989 film was the last where the spammed products are what one'd expect (pistol, camera, rolex, hat, glasses). after that, seems to grow geometrically and include all sortsa rubbish
00:42	dulapbot	Logged on 2022-04-20 14:02:36 phf: e.g. https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/nokia-phone-james-bond-no-time-die
00:43	asciilifeform	e.g. the 1995 one already e.g. car radio, rotgut whiskey, shoes
00:44	asciilifeform	1999 -- already walkie talkies, flashlights, lol, office furniture..
00:45	*	asciilifeform associates ppk pistol with der fuhrer (the other 1, who ate it, not our drowned 1) , rather than bond, for sumreason.
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03:54	signpost	anyone have a good argument for both /{bin,sbin} and /usr/{bin,sbin} existing?
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03:57	signpost	I'd previously made PREFIX=/ but that's a bit messy, might instead have PREFIX=/usr for programs as is tradition.
03:58	signpost	but that makes me question why I'd put only busybox in / when I can just as well put that in /usr/... also.
03:59	signpost	shell script shebangs come to mind; they'll want the shell at the traditional place.
04:00	signpost	I can convince myself that the answer to that is somebody symlinking /bin/sh if they want.
04:00	signpost	anyhow, curious if folks have a strong opinion.
04:02	*	signpost meanwhile upgraded to gnat-2017, because this didn't require any patching to target musl. removed a shitload of nasty patch cruft I'd accumulated tilting at the gnat-2016 windmill.
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07:52	verisimilitude	Firstly, imagine having a one megabyte hard disk drive, signpost.
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13:23	phf	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097715 << if you're going to mess with fhs, then there's no reason to keep /usr at all
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13:23	dulapbot	Logged on 2022-04-20 23:53:40 signpost: anyone have a good argument for both /{bin,sbin} and /usr/{bin,sbin} existing?
13:24	phf	traditional lore is that "/usr/ is there because / on the canonical unix pdp ran out of space once"
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13:26	phf	at some point /usr/ separation was justified by special permissions on fs level, e.g. on freebsd in the early 2000s it was suggested to mount / rw, and /usr r (since it's all static and compiled stuff)
13:27	phf	here's what e.g. stali does, https://sta.li/filesystem/
13:27	phf	"/usr -> / # softlink pointing to /"
13:34	phf	oh right, https://twitter.com/foone/status/1059310938354987008, /usr used to be user directories, which is how they have it on plan9 still
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14:31	shinohai	lmao from the sta.li page "/sucks - stuff that sucks, like ugly gnu library dependencies, or systemd fake handlers"
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15:20	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-21#1097725 << iirc exactly so
15:20	dulapbot	Logged on 2022-04-21 09:23:27 phf: traditional lore is that "/usr/ is there because / on the canonical unix pdp ran out of space once"
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15:37	thimbronion	Mark Zuckerburg banned from Russia in perpetuity for "creating a russophobic agenda"
15:44	asciilifeform	lol