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01:48 asciilifeform signpost: like anywhere, for some -- 'nice', for others -- less; but notenuff 'nice' to withstand the vhs'an'jeans dopedealer dangling his wares outside the windows
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01:49 asciilifeform (very notably, the folx with the -- by far -- highest standard of living in that reich, were the baltic 'sprats' , and they were the most virulent 'haters' , even today )
01:49 asciilifeform why? b/c closest to the 'window'.
01:51 asciilifeform rather like how the folx who cut apart ro, were communist officials who were convinced that they could all have at least a merc 300, like fuhrer's, if only bumped him off
01:53 * asciilifeform was for hr+ just nao in restaurant sitting next to 2 goldmansachs standartenführers, who went on about :
01:54 asciilifeform 'at dartmouth the upperclassmen said to me: all you gotta do is keep your nose clean, you got it made. at goldman mentor told me same, keep your nose clean and you'll get yer 3mil/y, you got it made. but the younger gen, no one says this to them; they don't have-it-made, the pie is shrinking'
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01:55 asciilifeform + buncha nostalgiation re 'southern gentlemen', 'father bringing in the harvest and we'd drive to florida', civil war versions, misc. chitchat
01:56 asciilifeform 'son is a doctor, he aint got-it-made, his life will objectively suck, will bust his arse for 300'
01:59 asciilifeform pretty lulzy in light of mp's supposed 'spy apparatus' repeating to him the old c.yarvin crock of shit re 'the nobility is gone, bureaucrats on gs ladder and hr sows rule usa'
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02:00 asciilifeform in reality same folx nao as in 1800, 1900.
02:00 asciilifeform simply with better camo.
02:01 asciilifeform funnily x9000, 0 mention of covidism in ~2h of convo. for same reason why e.g. otto skorzeny mentioned m.bormann 0 times until died.
~ 1 hours 38 minutes ~
03:39 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063496 << yep, wry comment.
03:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-06 21:48:23 asciilifeform: signpost: like anywhere, for some -- 'nice', for others -- less; but notenuff 'nice' to withstand the vhs'an'jeans dopedealer dangling his wares outside the windows
03:41 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063501 << pie shrinking, and by miracles of modern medicine the 70+y/o kleptocratic class still eating.
03:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-06 21:54:24 asciilifeform: 'at dartmouth the upperclassmen said to me: all you gotta do is keep your nose clean, you got it made. at goldman mentor told me same, keep your nose clean and you'll get yer 3mil/y, you got it made. but the younger gen, no one says this to them; they don't have-it-made, the pie is shrinking'
03:42 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063504 << anyone who punches in at a megacorp is a servant, not ruler, yes.
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03:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-06 21:59:12 asciilifeform: pretty lulzy in light of mp's supposed 'spy apparatus' repeating to him the old c.yarvin crock of shit re 'the nobility is gone, bureaucrats on gs ladder and hr sows rule usa'
03:47 cdd hello
03:51 cdd test
04:04 asciilifeform cdd: who might you be ?
04:05 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063512 << the quoted fella wasn't in any likelihood a 'ruler'; but hegemon -- defo. and dunno whether makes sense to refer to stopping by the palace to pick up yer 3mil$ now an' then as 'punching in', but i suppose technically could
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04:05 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-06 23:42:41 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063504 << anyone who punches in at a megacorp is a servant, not ruler, yes.
04:05 asciilifeform ... in that sense, e.g. hitler 'punched in'
04:06 cdd asciilifeform: I'm just a surfer of the 'net
04:06 asciilifeform cdd: what brings you to dulapnet ?
04:06 asciilifeform (do we know one another?)
04:06 cdd Curiosity.
04:06 cdd No
04:07 cdd Also, my condolences for the loss of Mircea.
04:07 cdd s/Mircea/Mr Popescu/
04:07 asciilifeform cdd: we weren't friends, for many yrs
04:07 cdd Ah, I'm unaware of your relationship with him.
04:07 asciilifeform cdd: in what subj is your interest? and howdja find the door ?
04:08 cdd verisimilitude (sort of) I don't remember exactly It was about a year ago I came across loper-os
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04:08 asciilifeform a.
04:08 cdd My interest in lisp and lisp machines.
04:08 cdd That and lainchan.
04:09 asciilifeform i assume cdd already knows about the logs.
04:09 asciilifeform what's lainchan?
04:09 cdd It's an imageboard.
04:09 asciilifeform any relation to the famous 'numeric' n-chans?
04:10 cdd Not really, it's a cyberpunk imageboard.
04:10 asciilifeform cdd: outta curiosity, it linked to my www? or log? or where
04:10 cdd I think I found the link to your site loper-os
04:10 cdd yes.
04:10 cdd I found your log through the contact page on your site
04:10 asciilifeform cdd: don't hesitate to link to subj, if think is interesting
04:11 cdd I found out about mircea through the WoT on his website Trilema
04:11 * asciilifeform mildly curious how he ended up linked from a lolcattery
04:11 asciilifeform a
04:11 cdd I really don't remember the exact way I found this place, but I know it stemmed from loper-os
04:12 cdd I knew about this place since about 6mo before Popescu passed.
04:12 asciilifeform cdd: prolly yer thinking of #t
04:13 asciilifeform cdd: anyways you will notice there is a search knob, feel free to make use of it.
04:13 asciilifeform ~decade of material.
04:14 cdd If some topic comes up or a subject I might. Otherwise I don't see a point dwelling in the past.
04:14 asciilifeform rright but if you want to have a >day conv., the custom is to link to prev. line.
04:15 cdd Might I ask, what '(and more importantly who) is this place and you?
04:15 cdd Ah, ok.
04:15 asciilifeform i'm the one with the pg you found the door through.
04:16 cdd Wait, there are more sites?
04:16 cdd Is there a webring or shall I just trawl the WoT?
04:16 asciilifeform well you mentioned knowing verisimilitude.
04:17 cdd Yes, I must ask him how his keyboard is going.
04:18 asciilifeform see also various folx www via scoopbot.
04:18 cdd Oh, that's neat.
04:19 asciilifeform and see e.g. asciilifeform's www link bar, if in search of reading material from folx living an' dead.
04:20 asciilifeform quickest way to find out 'what's this and who lives there' is to browse the log a bit.
04:22 cdd That's quaint. I shall a little later.
04:22 asciilifeform laters.
04:22 * asciilifeform must bbl
04:23 cdd Sorry, bbl?
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04:43 dpb cdd, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
04:46 cdd Erm.. ok.
04:47 cdd Don't drink too much kool-aid.
04:51 cdd I think one of the most important things to remember is that "paradise" literally translates to "walled-garden".
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05:11 cdd dpb: With the way technology is going, the devil will be a making of man.
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15:10 asciilifeform !w poll
15:10 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
15:10 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
15:10 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
15:10 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
15:10 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708639
15:10 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
15:10 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:10 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
15:10 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708639
15:10 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
15:11 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.152s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:11 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.153s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708639 (Operator: whaack)
15:11 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
15:11 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.251s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
15:11 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.259s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
15:11 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.596s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
15:11 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
15:12 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
15:13 asciilifeform shinohai: where did busybot go?
15:14 shinohai oh gm asciilifeform .... likely fell down during the great DST internet outage this morning, lemme check.
15:14 asciilifeform ah that'd explain how watchglass (which lives on same box as dulapnet) escaped
15:15 asciilifeform !q uptime
15:15 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 144d 11h 12m
15:15 shinohai Strange .... still shows connected, is PING/PONG'ing
15:15 asciilifeform seems that same bug oughta have afflicted the logger tho, and it hasn't
15:15 asciilifeform possibly heisenbug which depends on the vagaries of pingpong
15:16 asciilifeform will be glorious when we can switch to pestronics and fughet about these headaches.
15:17 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
15:17 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $61947.29
15:17 asciilifeform ty shinohai
15:17 thimbronion shinohai: busybot seems to be gone from the pest testnet as well
15:17 shinohai Imma try thimbronion's new thing today .... but the genesis was nice thing thus far, I even got bot to peer.
15:18 shinohai thimbronion: Yeah imma re-press blatta w/ yer updates and reconnect in a bit.
15:18 thimbronion shinohai: cool
15:18 asciilifeform shinohai: this was part of why asciilifeform specced an irc-compat. frontend for pest -- bots can be moved w/out major surgery
15:19 thimbronion I suppose a logger could be stood up in the testnet at this point as well
15:21 shinohai Also anyone tuned in that is testing this welcome to ping me if they want to peer. Will send deets via gpgram.
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16:24 billymg asciilifeform: reading through your latest pest spec now, there's a dead link in 1.2.7. Nothing to the Stranger.: the link "duplicate" points to: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/pest_draft.html#1272-dupes but the section id is actually #1272-duplicates
16:25 billymg there's also a typo in 2.3. The WOT., last sentence I believe should say "...WOT also contains one* or more handles..."
16:38 asciilifeform oh hm
16:41 asciilifeform billymg: fixed, ty!
16:43 * asciilifeform expects this aint the last outright lul in the spec. had shamefully little time to touch the thing for month+
16:43 asciilifeform and there's a couple whole sections still missing.
16:43 billymg asciilifeform: will let you know if i find more, i'm reading through it to get up to speed on the changes since the last v published version
16:43 asciilifeform ty billymg
16:44 asciilifeform billymg: don't hesitate to post these, i'ma fix as quickly as i can
16:44 asciilifeform 'getdata' and 'rekey' discussion in particular currently entirely missing.
16:50 asciilifeform billymg, thimbronion , shinohai , signpost -- when you have a chance, send asciilifeform key/addr, will try to test thimbronion's prototype in coming days
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16:50 asciilifeform (via pgpgram naturally.)
16:51 billymg asciilifeform: will do, i hope to get there myself today or tomorrow
16:51 * asciilifeform is very pleasantly surprised that there is already a working prototype !
16:59 asciilifeform aaand somehow, somehow!11, this happened w/out an egomaniac insulting people through mouthfuls of caviar, imagine.
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17:00 asciilifeform anuther pleasant surprise is that thimbronion's thing in fact weighs substantially less than asciilifeform's spec
17:01 asciilifeform (dunno if this would remain so for e.g. ada impl. but still sumthing.)
17:03 * asciilifeform considering to make a prototype in 'd'.
17:06 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063622 <<< asciilifeform: http://btc.info.gf/paste/a3f726@raw
17:06 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-07 11:50:15 asciilifeform: billymg, thimbronion , shinohai , signpost -- when you have a chance, send asciilifeform key/addr, will try to test thimbronion's prototype in coming days
17:18 asciilifeform ty shinohai !
17:19 * asciilifeform must bbl
~ 1 hours 31 minutes ~
18:50 PeterL thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063476 << not sure if I didn't get to it in time, but paste looks empty?
18:51 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-06 17:12:16 thimbronion: PeterL: here's the info you need to "connect" to the testnet: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4OrH. I feel like connect is the wrong word, but I'm not sure what would be appropriate.
~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~
19:57 PeterL thimbronion: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=_4YE
20:00 PeterL I feel like connect is the right word, you connect to a pest network by peering with somebody in it
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20:46 PeterL at first I thought that blatta was not sending any responses to me, but I figured out that I have to have the "debug" window open to see the responses (I am using the client IceChat)
21:00 verisimilitude Hello, cdd.
21:01 verisimilitude It's interesting how Lainchan was finally mentioned here; for clarity, that's an anonymous imageboard I help manage.
21:02 verisimilitude Unlike dulapnet, I'm one of the better programmers who uses Lainchan, which has caused my growing increasingly bored with it, but such an investment of time isn't discarded lightly.
21:07 cdd If I understand, other chans are bleeding more and more into lainchan, affecting the quality of the posts and general userbase.
21:09 cdd Userbase aside, I'm probably on the end of poorer programmers.
21:10 cdd Is dulpanet just this IRC channel or does it extend elsewhere?
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21:11 verisimilitude It's just here.
21:19 verisimilitude Tell me how we know each other, cdd.
21:33 cdd verisimilitude: we met on #lainchan once
21:33 cdd I was just a passerby, like now.
21:35 cdd Who I was then and who I am now are fragments of one another. I wouldn't expect you recognize who I was. If fact I prefer if you forget.
21:36 verisimilitude I don't remember, so alright.
21:37 cdd I wouldn't go through all the effort to protect my anonymity connecting on here to throw it all away.
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22:35 signpost that's alright; we know who you are.
22:37 vex $ticker btc usd
22:37 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $62941.45
22:37 cdd signpost: What do you mean?
22:37 * signpost wiggles eyebrows menacingly
22:38 * cdd runs
22:38 cdd Nowhere to run on the 'net.
22:41 cdd signpost: what's cuntoo?
22:43 signpost shitty self-contained gentoo I shelved.
22:44 signpost still had way too many dependencies on the outside world.
22:45 cdd Hah, and deedbot? It's the bot access to the WoT?
22:45 signpost yep
22:45 signpost !!help
22:45 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
22:46 signpost imho the most interesting work being done currently is http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3926
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22:47 signpost many of the things I built in the past and those I'm currently working on will be fitted to ^
22:47 cdd Wait, it returns an S-exp? Can you interface with it through a lisp system?
22:47 signpost with whatever you like. it itself is written in common lisp
22:47 cdd Wow.
22:48 signpost eh it's a pretty trivial program
22:48 cdd I'm akin to a newb, possibly more on the wannabe side. Trivial it might be for you, for me, not so much.
22:49 signpost one's barriers are often self-imposed eh?
22:50 cdd Where's the source, might I ask?
22:50 cdd Erm, more or less. I find myself knowing enough to know just how little I know.
22:51 signpost sure, nothing wrong with that
22:51 signpost src was on the blog that I recently found riddled with spam, took down for now, but if you stick around it'll reappear before long
22:52 signpost was running an ancient php wordpress turd, needs replacing
22:52 signpost that said my next work on the wot will be to make it available as a service on pest.
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22:52 cdd That would be trinque.org I suppose?
22:52 signpost and something which *every* pest node can run, because the idea of "a" wot is nonsense. there's only *the* wot.
22:52 cdd Pest?
22:53 signpost yes, I linked it.
22:53 cdd Ah, sorry I had it opened just not read it yet. I'll take a moment to now.
22:56 cdd Hm, reminds me of XMPP; but decentralized.
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22:57 shinohai !!v 48F6904D6101C41162E9E4EC754E3A721FF0509C2B8FD5BB0A2545B695AEF585
22:57 deedbot shinohai rated thimbronion 2 << Blatta (Pest) Writes at: http://thimbron.com/
22:57 signpost bout time I updated my own ratings.
22:58 signpost cdd: maybe if you squint a bit, but it's a fair bit lower level than xmpp
22:58 signpost also worth considering that at the bottom of every software design is a particular political view
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23:00 signpost note that in pest the human relationships are the fundamental structure.
23:02 cdd The wall of trust determining the structure of the network, being the highest level of deterministic structuring.
23:05 signpost notably no "freenode" or similar involved.
23:07 signpost all of us have computers on the internet, which is already a peer-to-peer network, so why should there be?
23:09 cdd Not necessarily on an infrastructure level.
23:09 cdd It's the eternal mainframe.
23:09 signpost it's a fair point, but pest would work fine over radio.
23:10 signpost wouldn't surprise me if this happens in time either.
23:10 cdd http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Eternal_Mainframe.html
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23:10 signpost oh, you're talking about that
23:10 signpost what infrastructure, pest doesn't need datacenters.
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23:10 signpost (I was talking about the fact that the backbones are owned by USG, which is true and a problem)
23:12 cdd That too, pest is just a beefy irc bouncer when you think about it.
23:12 signpost nah, fundamentally different than irc.
23:13 signpost although it was born breaking teeth on the fact that IRC servers cannot be deployed redundantly (i.e. with cycles in the peerings)
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23:14 cdd Ah, how do I word it. Yes it's a different protocol entirely, but it serves the same function. It's just a protocol, it's like gemini to html. But gemini is shit.
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23:15 signpost yeah, chat protocol certainly.
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23:16 cdd The more I think about it, the better it is.
23:16 signpost and extensible, sure, just not with giant wads of xml
23:16 signpost anyhow if you like that essay you linked, you might like hanging around.
23:16 cdd By all means I intend to. :-)
23:17 cdd If I understand correctly this chatroom is the 0.001%
23:17 cdd Add a few more zeroes for good luck.
23:18 vex there's a little 1% sprinkled in
23:18 cdd I'd be one of them. :-D
23:19 cdd Have you had a look into the Loopix network?
23:20 cdd It's a whitepaper, a proposition for a completely anonymous network that even mitigates against packet analysis and sybil attacks.
23:21 cdd https://nymtech.net/whitepaper/
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23:21 signpost haven't, but I'll look
23:30 vex isn't everything a chat protocol?
23:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-07 18:15:14 signpost: yeah, chat protocol certainly.
23:31 vex Chemistry in organisms, or light from another star...
23:34 thimbronion PeterL: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=el5s
23:37 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063626 << he's still there, doing the same, in my head.
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23:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-07 11:59:03 asciilifeform: aaand somehow, somehow!11, this happened w/out an egomaniac insulting people through mouthfuls of caviar, imagine.
23:42 signpost vex: yeah it's one of the "everything is a" slices of reality.
23:43 signpost speaking of everything being a sex thing, just got one of these visiontek gpus for workputer, can apparently push 6 screens. I'm only up to 4.
23:44 vex it pays to be the boss
23:45 signpost thing was like 200bux, cheap, and obtainable because it can't 3D for shit.
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23:47 vex pushin on 6. look the part. so boss
23:48 signpost nice to read src without scrolling with 'em vertical
23:48 vex whats a good monitor for vert reading? I want one now
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23:49 * signpost got HP Z27k G3
23:49 signpost so far happy with 'em
23:50 signpost still evaluating gpu but so far no complaints. animations a little slow in shitty DEs that use them, but not the point
23:53 vex all dem screens
23:55 vex those golden sack boys alf had lunch with are prolly only rocking two
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23:56 * signpost just recalled he had moar to say about that
23:58 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063724 << (but first) this is you doing it with a sock-puppet, not him.
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23:58 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-07 18:37:17 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063626 << he's still there, doing the same, in my head.
23:58 signpost "not that there's anything wrong with that!"
23:59 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063626 << undoubtedly
23:59 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-07 11:59:03 asciilifeform: aaand somehow, somehow!11, this happened w/out an egomaniac insulting people through mouthfuls of caviar, imagine.
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