| 03:29 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, asciilifeform set up a running copy of the current rough draft of pest spec. currently reflects a very partially-done 0xFD. will be kept reasonably current on best-effort basis. please do NOT rely on the item at this link being static, or even consistent !! |
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| 03:29 |
asciilifeform |
will be updated at unpredictable intervals with potentially arbitrarily-inconsistent text! |
| 03:30 |
asciilifeform |
and at times may disappear entirely. you've been warned! |
| 03:31 |
asciilifeform |
updated/added material includes 'for the enemy, nothing' ; command table; |
| 03:31 |
asciilifeform |
broadcast epilogue; and others. |
| 03:32 |
asciilifeform |
and of course the red/black/message masses, updated re earlier thrd. |
| 03:32 |
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asciilifeform bbl |
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| 06:48 |
punkman |
for other network noobs like me https://blog.cloudflare.com/ip-fragmentation-is-broken/ |
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| 06:53 |
punkman |
also starting to understand why IPv6 has so many problems |
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| 07:49 |
punkman |
also related https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/dns-flag-day-dawns-with-renewed-effort-to-avoid-ip-fragmentation |
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| 08:41 |
punkman |
found another keyword that leads to relevant academiwank: "broadcast authentication scheme" |
| 08:41 |
punkman |
and a review of such: "A survey of broadcast authentication schemes for wireless networks" https://booksc.org/book/29720770/a7506f |
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| 09:28 |
punkman |
this one seems interesting https://netsec.ethz.ch/publications/papers/biba.pdf |
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| 12:23 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-19#1058819 << In the examples (4.1.1 and 4.1.2) the version should get decremented to match the version in section 1 (speaking of which, should "version" be section 1.1?) |
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| 12:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-19 23:29:13 asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform set up a running copy of the current rough draft of pest spec. currently reflects a very partially-done 0xFD. will be kept reasonably current on best-effort basis. please do NOT rely on the item at this link being static, or even consistent !! |
| 12:26 |
PeterL |
In section 3.1, where you discuss breaking a long message into two messages, correct me if I am wrong: these are not going to get reassembled back into one IRC message by the receiving peer, they get transmitted to the console as two IRC messages? |
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| 14:34 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: yes the intent is to reassemble. (and when one day there may be a dedicated client program -- to reassemble arbitrarily-long texts.) i'ma make this clear in the doc. |
| 14:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-20#1058832 << ty, will fix. the whole thing still needs a whole lotta work. |
| 14:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-20 08:23:21 PeterL: asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-19#1058819 << In the examples (4.1.1 and 4.1.2) the version should get decremented to match the version in section 1 (speaking of which, should "version" be section 1.1?) |
| 14:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-20#1058831 << asciilifeform read this and the earlier piece: and mightily did he barf. archaetypical academibarf, and cemented asciilifeform's conclusion that hmac is by far the best looking horse in that glue factory |
| 14:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-20 05:28:41 punkman: this one seems interesting https://netsec.ethz.ch/publications/papers/biba.pdf |
| 14:38 |
asciilifeform |
the 'biba' thing is particularly egregious wtf -- not only is nearly as expensive as 4096bit rsa to sign, but leaks key bits like a sieve and requires constant resupply (somehow!) of the ~10kByte~ (!) pubkey |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
over many years (incl. some time, sadly, spent in direct professional contact with such miscreants) asciilifeform came to the conclusion that the authors of such work are far too occupied with sucking their own cocks, while so deeply impressed with own cleverness, to come up with anything of practical value whatsoever. |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
for brief time d. bernstein was a kind of exception -- but swamp quickly swallowed him, and for many yrs now he has not been distinguishable from other swamp creatures. |
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| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
ever since this, asciilifeform 'hears word 'cryptographer' and reaches for pistol'. |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-20#1058826 << moar or less accurate description. |
| 14:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-20 02:48:03 punkman: for other network noobs like me https://blog.cloudflare.com/ip-fragmentation-is-broken/ |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
( except that naturally the derps do not acknowledge that it is ~conceptually~ broken, rather than simply 'implementationally' ) |
| 14:45 |
PeterL |
would you be offended if somebody called you a 'cryptographer'? |
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| 15:03 |
punkman |
another one along the lines of biba https://tik-db.ee.ethz.ch/file/ff05e5f41354dbd53219c3620855d867/srds08.pdf |
| 15:03 |
punkman |
"Our signature scheme ALPS can tradeoff the three main properties public key size, signature size, and computational delay. Signatures are between 20 to 40 bytes in size. Signing and verification typically takes between merely 10 and 300 µs. And a public key a few kilobytes in size is sufficient to authenticate a live stream." |
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| 15:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-20#1058847 << call me also concert violinist if you like. tho i don't play ('but i haven't tried yet!'(tm)(r)) nor perpetrated any cryptographies, lol |
| 15:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-20 10:45:59 PeterL: would you be offended if somebody called you a 'cryptographer'? |
| 16:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-20#1058849 << there's 'over 9000' of these atrocities. btw the target audience (aside from other academitards) is actually payware broadcasters ('sirius' et al) , the nominal adversary is a decerebrated konsoomer, not nsa |
| 16:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-20 11:03:35 punkman: "Our signature scheme ALPS can tradeoff the three main properties public key size, signature size, and computational delay. Signatures are between 20 to 40 bytes in size. Signing and verification typically takes between merely 10 and 300 µs. And a public key a few kilobytes in size is sufficient to authenticate a live stream." |
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| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
| 16:46 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $43948.57 |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=701443 |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701442 |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.034s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=701443 |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 |
| 16:46 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 |
| 16:47 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.337s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=701443 (Operator: whaack) |
| 16:47 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.322s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 |
| 16:47 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.704s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 |
| 16:47 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.610s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=701443 |
| 16:47 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov) |
| 16:48 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
| 16:49 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
| 16:49 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 96d 13h 47m |
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| 19:32 |
punkman |
in other eth lulz https://twitter.com/mdudas/status/1440022234924556291 |
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| 19:54 |
shinohai |
top kek |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
lolwat |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
is this 1st known shitcoin where you can pwn an idjit by sending him tx? or wat |
| 20:15 |
punkman |
it's not simple tx, interacting with malicious contracts, even if it looks safe, can result in exploit |
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| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: what's it mean to 'interact with contract' if not analogous to btc's tx ? |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
lemme guess, have the shitcoinists with their 'smart xyz' finally devised a two-ended pistol where the shooter can never be certain whether bullet goes fwd or backward? |
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| 22:43 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: seems clear that none of the people in that thread understand what "interact with contract" means |
| 22:43 |
punkman |
fuck me if I know |
| 22:44 |
punkman |
Something like this I think: eth tx sender addr, recipient addr, value, data. When you send data to a contract address, that's interaction with contract. If you are just sending value, it's like btc |
| 22:45 |
punkman |
but sender addr can be a contract too. In fact many of the eth wallets don't give you pub/private pairs, but a priv key to a smart contract that manages the actual eth addresses holding value |
| 22:47 |
punkman |
example "This is called “social recovery” and works as follows: when the user restores the app (e.g after having lost their phone), the trusted contacts receive requests that they have to confirm. After a majority confirms, the new private key becomes the new owner of the smart |
| 22:47 |
punkman |
contract holding the funds." |
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| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
lol!! |