#asciilifeform | 2021-09-17

Logged on 2021-09-16 16:09:34 asciilifeform: bomolochus: you have a point in that the spec introduces self as 'for protocol', but specifies instead a basic program in in its entirety. it was the latter, however, that was asciilifeform's intent.

00:34

(after a proper example proggy exists.)

00:37

bomolochus: i admit i don't see where inconsistent. plz don't hesitate to point out concretely (where for instance is 'the authentication scheme being null' ? or do i misread?)

00:39

bomolochus: fwiw the original target audience for the spec was thimbronion , who in fact took the trouble to write the proggy and seems to have most of it already (even while he was waiting for spec)

00:40

this is why does not read like a classical rfc, but more of a pseudocode description of whole proggy.

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asciilifeform will bbl

~ 13 hours 42 minutes ~

14:23

$ticker btc usd

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busybot

Current BTC price in USD: $47502.6

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!w poll

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Polling 17 nodes...

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185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!

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84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!

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185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!

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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.095s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

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54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=700947 (Operator: whaack)

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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.173s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

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54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.259s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

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213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=700947

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103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.720s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=700947

14:24

176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)

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192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

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205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

~ 45 minutes ~

15:10

thimbronion

Since I didn't know the literal meaning of bomolochus I looked it up: "altar ambusher." Great word.

~ 26 minutes ~

15:36

ah nifty, had nfi (vaguely thought it was an anagramatic play or the like)

15:39

shinohai

I thought in "modern" Greek it meant "someone who swears a lot" though only bomolochus himself knows the reason he chose the handle.

15:40

thimbronion

shinohai: I think that's correct. "altar ambusher" -> panhandler -> buffoon, loudmouth, from what I can tell.

15:55

thimbronion: dunno if you're familiar with the fella, he was very active mostly before your time, asciilifeform met him in person at mp's 'c3'

15:56

wrote, among many other things, the best vtronics guide to date.

15:56

thimbronion

asciilifeform: indeed I am. Been reading the since roughly 2014.

15:56

a then.

~ 26 minutes ~

16:23

altar ambusher, as in the guy that will steal the offerings from the altar/shrine, to eat

16:23

in more recent greek, it's the "someone who swears a lot"

16:25

in other "V"s https://vlang.io/

16:26

lol yetanother jsism

16:28

seemed interesting, but apparently it's ran by clowns who make big claims they can't deliver

16:29

looking for something to replace some python crap

16:35

punkman: me too

16:35

Logged on 2021-09-07 13:32:35 asciilifeform: billymg: from asciilifeform's pov, depythonization is a 'when' not 'if'

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Logged on 2021-09-07 13:50:17 asciilifeform: if it ain't obvious, asciilifeform despises python, in that way that one can only despise a prison

16:35

shinohai

"V is very similar to Go. If you know Go, you already know ≈80% of V." Dear lord I think imma be sick.

16:35

( see thrd )

16:35

Logged on 2020-07-18 20:01:25 asciilifeform: trinque: i'd dearly like to throw out the pythons, perls, sh atrocities, etc. in favour of sumthing that makes some semblance of sense (incl. when its binary thrown into objdump -D ... )

16:36

shinohai: there's just about 'over 9000' of these

16:37

shinohai

But nuh Rust cargo containers.

16:39

asciilifeform: was intrigued by "V's main backend compiles to human readable C" and "Compiles to native binaries without any dependencies"

16:46

'compiles to c' is poison for a script lang (and highly questionable kludge in general) imho

~ 1 hours 54 minutes ~

18:41

the damn thing keeps losing its postgres connection (same thing happens to my crawler too, and they both stop working at the same time until restarted)

18:42

billymg: no meaningful eggogs in machine logs ?

18:43

hmm, actually possibly the crawler still has its connection now

18:43

asciilifeform: from psycopg2 just some "connection already closed" error

18:44

haven't looked at the postgres logs yet

18:44

billymg: i strongly suspect your proggy is closing it (on, e.g. timeouts or whatever externally-induced eggog) and not reopening

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18:45

asciilifeform: the connection to postgres you mean? for the logger it's the same bot that comes bundled with the logotron

18:46

right

18:46

but, see, logotron doesn't spawn lengthy and potentially-eggogeous operations from itself

18:47

watchglass does , and back in the fleanode days would consequently sometimes get disconnected on acct of failing to PONG on time

18:47

ahh

18:47

(disconnected from fleanode, that is, it didn't use pg)

18:48

asciilifeform: so potentially the crawler is at times tying up postgres such that it times out for the logger?

18:48

billymg: could try SQLite

18:49

punkman: easier on the resources?

18:49

yeah and easy to backup, single file

18:49

do you need sql server where many clients connect?

18:49

for small (<1GB or so) datasets, sqlite makes over9000x moar sense than pg imho

18:49

esp. if only 1 proggy using it

18:50

I've stored 100s of GB in SQLite without problems

18:51

if fast random access aint critical, can put as much as you like in there

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18:51

my setup is fairly small/simple. only two programs writing (logger and crawler) and two reading (their respective wwws)

18:52

if webs aren't writing, should be fine

18:52

maybe i'll look into switching them, i only used postgres because it is what the logotron uses out of the box (and i tend to hear good things about postgres and wanted to try it out myself)

18:52

you'd actually have 2 separate DBs if crawler and logger data don't need to be in same place

18:53

punkman: currently they are two separate DBs in postgres, though not sure if you mean in a different sense

18:54

and no, the websites don't write to the DBs at all

18:54

sqlite is one DB per file and has no server

18:54

ohhh ok

18:55

https://www.sqlite.org/whentouse.html

18:56

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-17#1058556 << is this the reason for using postgres in the logotron?

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Logged on 2021-09-17 14:51:07 asciilifeform: if fast random access aint critical, can put as much as you like in there

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billymg does still plan to upgrade his box with asciilifeform, just hasn't gotten around to it yet

18:58

billymg: correct, i use pg largely for the indexes

19:08