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00:47 vex I hope norweibro hangs around
00:47 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 13:30:57 jon: money is cool
00:53 jonsykkel how could i not with sach a worm welcome
00:57 vex ask the question bingoboingo, liek old tiemz
00:57 vex do eet
01:00 bingoboingo Kindergarted cop?
01:00 vex ya ya ya
01:02 vex r u sitting down jonskkel?
01:02 jonsykkel im redy
01:03 bingoboingo Who is your daddy and what does he do?
01:03 bingoboingo vex, are we still caring to know people this intimately?
01:04 vex Yeah notrlly, I just like hearing the question
01:05 jonsykkel retired, hencethus not much
01:06 jonsykkel is good question
01:06 vex right?
01:07 signpost ah it's like old times.
01:07 signpost hello jonsykkel
01:07 jonsykkel hi signpost
01:08 signpost << sure, responsible in the sense that every president that failed to "scatter to wind" is responsible, only.
01:08 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 23:09:55 asciilifeform: << not clear to asciilifeform that 'nixon wrecked...' rather than simply put before the fact and ritually 'presided' over said wrecking
01:10 signpost << smells like it's going to be a bigger bust than just housing over here.
01:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 02:32:48 punkman: when mortgage armageddon 2.0?
01:11 signpost supply chains getting weird, employment, all of it.
01:11 signpost whether this actually shows up in the fake financials is anyone's guess.
01:11 signpost (for example, did anyone adjusted for inflation make a return in the s&p since...)
01:12 signpost << has it.
01:12 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 13:54:18 asciilifeform: << prolly not, at least not as 'replay of 2008', Official reich party line is now simply to 'money printer -- brrr!' to cover any and all shortfalls there & elsewhere, i.e. general-purpose weimarism
01:15 bingoboingo signpost, the one-way life of containers seems to have finally pushed Pacific cargo freight prices up (Did China slow down making containers?)
01:18 signpost wouldn't surprise me if a sudden drop in consumers buying plastic garbage took out a few pieces of global trade infrastructure along the way
01:18 signpost trying to find this zillow et al buying houses thing; I saw it as well
01:19 signpost the real estate database shartups are all speculating in the bubble.
01:20 vex is zillow a big thing over there? I'd never heard of it
01:20 signpost I think trulia, zillow, redfin are the biggest ones
01:20 vex one might use their pricing when bargthe agent etc?aining with
01:21 vex *bargaining
01:22 signpost I figure they asked themselves why they were letting the realtors be middlemen in fleecing the consumers, and didn't come up with a goood answer.
01:22 signpost *good
01:23 signpost << there we go
01:24 verisimilitude I read book about chip making from the 1990s, and it mentioned using gallium arsenide instead of silicon could be multiple times faster, and it mentioned using x-rays for photolithography, but I don't see anything new about either of these.
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01:41 vex I smell a feedback loop coming on; they can't buy em all
01:44 vex vermisiltude, whtcha working on bro?
01:44 signpost maybe they'll do the chinese thing and start building empty ones, then make them into NFTs.
01:44 signpost Khrushchyovka-coin
01:45 vex run it through the evem and make a tax loss, it's not rocket surgery
01:49 signpost heh, I'm sure these guys are all experts at tax loss
01:49 vex I wonder if that automatically makes one a player in asciilifeforms book
01:50 vex *lizard
01:50 vex if you live in a macvhine, lrn2code
01:53 verisimilitude I'm currently lazily working towards realizing my language model, Elision within the year, vex.
01:53 vex even back in the day there was a "long drop and a short stop"
01:55 vex what's your fave lang verisimilitude ?
01:59 vex consider. /me'll bbl
02:08 verisimilitude I suppose I must choose Common Lisp, but Ada code looks nicer and has more guarantees, APL is always more concise and pure, and playing with CHIP-8 frees me from so much nonsense of current environments and my machine code development tool frees me from text.
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02:30 vex have you got any Bahasa verisimilitude? might be handy if you wanna expolore materials
02:32 verisimilitude No.
02:33 vex I'm only postulating about the future
02:38 vex you mainly do latin langs?
02:38 vex cantonese?
02:39 verisimilitude I know enough Chinese to have an idea of how it could work.
02:40 vex I really wanna hear some mandarin proverbs, mebbe wake gregor up
02:40 vex you prolly know some
02:44 vex I don't want to put you on the spot, there's a vast hisory behind every saying over there
02:45 vex just like very place on the planet I suppose
02:47 vex just knowing one is telling if you say it
02:50 vex prolly honed over centuries, chinese whispers in reverse
02:52 vex matty got his finger on the trigger, twitching
02:54 vex "you're talking shit mate, step on" I love that guy
02:57 vex ie he's saved me from futher embarrassment on innumerous occasion
03:04 verisimilitude I know only one curse, translated: ``May thou live in interesting times.''
03:06 vex honest as fuck
03:14 vex
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03:37 vex don't fuck with the g ladeel bingo
03:39 vex remember that
03:51 vex
03:51 vex jonsykkel, , y u no move to silcone valley?
03:57 vex
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04:45 vex
04:50 vex siagon cop will catch a motherfucker
04:50 vex then eat a baguette
04:51 vex sammich method
04:58 vex brooklyn 99 eat yo fooking hear out
04:59 vex insert earplugs
05:05 vex thieving is illeagl
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07:31 punkman "Supreme Court ends CDC's pandemic residential eviction moratorium"
07:32 punkman << wasn't just housing the first time either
07:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 21:05:53 signpost: << smells like it's going to be a bigger bust than just housing over here.
07:33 punkman but I wonder, is some asshole in Iceland buying SHIT.CDO.2020 this time?
07:36 punkman 2008 was so big because everyone around the world was buying the US mortgage paper
07:50 punkman << not maybe
07:50 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 21:40:03 signpost: maybe they'll do the chinese thing and start building empty ones, then make them into NFTs.
07:52 punkman afaik it happened in 2008, should be happening now too. just not on chinese scale
07:54 punkman watched "The Big Short" film couple weeks ago, not too bad
07:57 punkman (had some "hot chick explains thing to you" 4th wall breaks that were pretty annoying)
08:09 punkman "The global Collateralized Debt Obligation market size is projected to reach US$ 158500 million by 2026, from US$ 125990 million in 2020, at a CAGR of 3.9% during 2021-2026."
08:10 punkman only $125 billion, was worried what I'd find for a second
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11:47 jonsykkel vex: for the same reason i dont give myself a paint thinner enema
11:47 jonsykkel just not my thing
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14:24 shinohai <<< If you aren't boofing, are you really partying at all?
14:24 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 07:42:28 jonsykkel: vex: for the same reason i dont give myself a paint thinner enema
14:24 shinohai $vwap
14:24 busybot The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 47192.55 USD
14:24 shinohai $uptime
14:24 busybot The bot has been up for: 36 days 18 hours 3 minutes and 2 seconds
14:26 jonsykkel a valid concern for sure
14:26 jonsykkel maybe ive been missing out on something all these years
14:29 shinohai lmao
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15:51 asciilifeform << GaAs is tricky for number of reasons, some of'em inherent (difficult to make insulator; no equivalent of cmos; etc), some of'em simply from economy of scale favouring si. there's konsoomer GaAs iron, but typically only coupla transistors per machine (normally in e.g. 802.11 radio, pnoje, similar)
15:51 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 21:19:54 verisimilitude: I read book about chip making from the 1990s, and it mentioned using gallium arsenide instead of silicon could be multiple times faster, and it mentioned using x-rays for photolithography, but I don't see anything new about either of these.
15:52 * asciilifeform would be astonished if satan came to him and revealed that ~absolutely nobody~ is seekritly making GaAs btc miners, however
15:52 signpost punkman: probably hard to say who's exposed to what until it rips.
15:52 asciilifeform one nifty thing about GaAs is that you can have ~optical~ buses on die
15:53 asciilifeform nomoar worries re capacitance of lines
15:54 signpost punkman: given the fed's purchasing, I'd expect the world's shifted out of mortgage paper, as the prices of "riskier" shit-paper suggest
15:54 signpost if so, maybe proportionally larger stonk/corpo-bond bust.
15:55 * signpost would then be unsurprised if the fed starts buying corporate bonds and index funds directly.
15:55 asciilifeform signpost: hm wait it wasn't already?
15:57 signpost ah, looks like yes to bond etfs
15:59 signpost doesn't seem to hold stonks yet, at least so claimed.
15:59 signpost not that it matters, if it can drive others to take that risk.
16:00 signpost can later bail some out and further consolidate finance.
16:02 asciilifeform << cardboard ameri-houses are already closer to 'trading sardine' hollywood simulacrae than actual house
16:02 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 21:40:03 signpost: maybe they'll do the chinese thing and start building empty ones, then make them into NFTs.
16:02 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-04-22 gribble: "Trading Sardines" - Bitcoin Forum: <>; Natural Gas In 2013: It's Now A Trading Sardine - Seeking Alpha: <>; "Sardines" are to Trade, not Eat | Gold Eagle: <>
16:04 asciilifeform << asciilifeform confesses that he mostly ignores such numbers, on account of their late-sovok-esque lack of demonstrated relation to reality in any direction
16:04 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 04:04:31 punkman: "The global Collateralized Debt Obligation market size is projected to reach US$ 158500 million by 2026, from US$ 125990 million in 2020, at a CAGR of 3.9% during 2021-2026."
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16:33 signpost yep, I've been looking at some old ones in the woods in new england lately.
16:33 signpost probably going to fuck off in that direction. Texas can't run a grid.
16:33 signpost I've seen a handful of old builds up there that look like they're made with actual wood, brick, etc.
16:34 * signpost has a relative he trusts to advise on putting together a decent solar array.
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16:56 asciilifeform signpost: not so much sun in the north tho
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17:35 signpost maine seems to do pretty alright for the region, and there's always natgas to supplement
17:36 * signpost doesn't expect the grid goes down forever, or otherwise, bigger problems.
17:37 signpost also don't need much AC there.
~ 19 minutes ~
17:56 asciilifeform neato
17:56 asciilifeform signpost: i thought tx was attractive jurisdiction, tho (iirc no income tax..?)
18:06 signpost becoming less so imho. the grid's nearly failed several times since the storm, the cities are absorbing a lot of NY and CA, and the property taxes are already high, property "values" inflating like mad.
18:06 signpost so the lack of income tax is offset by the property tax.
18:06 asciilifeform a
18:06 signpost looking at NH though also.
18:07 signpost curious what dpb has to say about there.
18:09 asciilifeform signpost: nh not absorbing refugees from ca etc ?
18:14 signpost probably some, but low population in both places.
18:15 signpost certainly not the level of san-francisc-ification going on in austin.
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18:30 shinohai <<< appears "V" has been replaced now asciilifeform .... burn it all the fuck down.
18:32 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc mp himself ordered an 'embrace & extinguish' format-breaking vtron yr+ ago. wainot, what's it to asciilifeform .
18:33 * shinohai now recalls .... had forgotten about that little footnote.
18:35 asciilifeform shinohai: didja read this megalith? care to summarize the interesting differences vs. traditional vtron ?
18:36 asciilifeform 'very smoothly and extremely usefully indeed! It's a pleasure to have it produce patches and signatures, check signatures, find and apply the relevant patches for any given task and even create essentially "branches" for exploring some changes to the code, all from one single command line tool and without the need for any additional scripts and hacked "a" "b" or hidden directories or whatnot.' << lol, apparently re-cre
18:36 asciilifeform ated 'git'
18:36 asciilifeform a++...
18:38 * asciilifeform mildly curious wtf this is for (if anyffin) -- finished 'by inertia' after hitlerkaput? or eulorism still in some sense going (funded by whom?) or what
18:39 thimbronion Always had a difficult time reading diana_coman with all the "indeeds" and "really"s. Minor thing but annoying as hell.
18:40 asciilifeform thimbronion: imho by far not the most annoying aspect of diana, but there's enuff for erryone
18:41 thimbronion indeed
18:42 asciilifeform shinohai: linked psot dun seem to contain any links to the ~proggy itself~ -- or did i miss
18:42 shinohai <<< I just came to same conclusion you did, smells like git, or `clit push origin MASTER`
18:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 14:30:37 asciilifeform: shinohai: didja read this megalith? care to summarize the interesting differences vs. traditional vtron ?
18:43 asciilifeform it ain't in her 'code shelf' page either
18:45 * shinohai was unable to locate actual proggy either, nor the gpg-replacement thingy in article previous
18:48 asciilifeform item would be over9000x moar entertaining if included proggy. but hey, will take what can get, didn't expect continuing installments of lulzware from the mp lulz co. tbh.
18:48 shinohai tbh though I'm sitting here lulzing at the ETH chain split earlier and all the "Guys can you please stop sending txns? Go for a walk, we all need it!"
18:48 asciilifeform i expect there'll be a 'publication of coad is for idjit engineers(tm)' or sumthing in that vein, essay, at some pt
18:53 asciilifeform shinohai: there's apparently a buried layer of older lulz in there (e.g. thing apparently based on a spec written by mp himself! (but does it use mp's fabulous hash(tm)(r)(c) !!? and if not wainot!)
18:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-15 16:05:36 asciilifeform: ( bonus, mp intended it to be deliberately slow hash, rather like 'argon' and similar modern-day password-derivation widgets. then asciilifeform found order-of-magnitude speedup for the bullshit and he lost interest entirely )
18:54 * asciilifeform sadly not has time atm to fully milk out the laffs from this item; maybe later
18:55 shinohai Did anyone actually make a version of mp's fabulous hash function that wasn't in some vomit-inducing thing like golang?
18:55 asciilifeform shinohai: see ancient thrd if yer curious re why not.
18:55 shinohai (There might have been a lisp one floating about, could have sworn I toyed with it)
18:56 asciilifeform in all srsns asciilifeform is a++ in favour of people writing their own softs, instead sitting for YEARS whining about asciilifeform's supposedly-insufficient ones.
18:58 * asciilifeform ftr still using his original vtron from 2015 + phf's patches and intends to continue indefinitely (tho eventually would like to write depythonized replacement and w/ peh in place of gpgism)
18:58 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-26 10:46:11 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: i'm using phf's patched version of my own original vtron.
18:59 shinohai I know esthlos-v gets some hate for whatever reason, but I used it not 1 week ago to rebuild ~75% of the proggys I use on daily basis on this new lappy I got.
18:59 shinohai Does precisely what I need it to do.
18:59 asciilifeform ftr the properly generalized item vtron is a shadow of, looks like this, rather than like 'git' etc abortions.
18:59 dulapbot Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?
19:00 asciilifeform i.e. unification of vtron, pgp, wottron, 'rsync', so to speak.
19:06 dpb << it's new england. i only visited the few times for porc fest, which is put on by a group of people i don't much care for
19:06 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 14:02:30 signpost: curious what dpb has to say about there.
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19:58 signpost ah, thought for some reason that you lived there for a time.
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21:03 punkman "Taliban are calling on the population in #Kabul to hand over all privately owned weapons and ammunition within a week."
21:04 punkman think they banned the rona vaccine too
21:15 punkman
21:16 punkman "The exact attack vector will be provided at a later date" "However, it would seem some users identified the exploit that was hotfixed by the Geth team and are currently exploiting older versions"
21:16 asciilifeform 'responsible disclosure'(tm)(r)(c)
21:16 punkman who could have predicted
21:17 punkman "“I knew that someone would eventually find the bug,” he said. “I just hoped that more people would have updated in time."
21:17 asciilifeform bbut hey, they can always fork to undo $sfyl, neh?
21:18 asciilifeform 'past week didn't happen, move along'
21:18 punkman "declined to explain the nature of the exploit because it has already been replicated on Binance Smart Chain (BSC) and Polygon."
21:18 punkman with added lulz that there are now N ethereums
21:18 asciilifeform iirc there were at least 2 previously
21:18 asciilifeform since '17
21:20 punkman eth classic is somewhat different, since it forked long ago. the newer ones are bug-for-bug, I assume
21:21 asciilifeform a
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21:47 mats meanwhile, ethereum is up almost 5% for the day
21:48 asciilifeform mats: why exactly not? it doesn't take very much washtrading to put shitcoin exch rates wherever the perpetrator wants'em
21:49 mats i think its mostly news around fed tapering
21:49 mats selling the fear and buying the news i guess
21:50 asciilifeform mats: a i was assuming this is re eth in particular, rather than simply 'usd down, errything else -- up'
21:56 billymg asciilifeform: i put together a patch that fixes the classic theme's chan wrapping bug in apple browsers and uses the list-based chan nav. sig is here too if you'd like to give it a quick test
21:57 billymg asciilifeform: also mirrored your two recent patches
21:57 asciilifeform billymg: neato! will test!
21:58 asciilifeform billymg: your sig is a binary
21:58 billymg lol d'oh
21:58 billymg my bad
21:58 billymg one sec
21:58 billymg oddly enough it works with
21:58 * billymg did a test press before publishing
22:04 billymg asciilifeform: updated in place, should be correct now
22:05 asciilifeform ty billymg . i'ma try it
22:08 asciilifeform ugh billymg , what's that '-' doing there ?
22:08 billymg it's lynx only
22:09 asciilifeform waiwat
22:09 asciilifeform no it's not
22:09 asciilifeform i'm seeing it in a 'chrome'
22:09 asciilifeform see for yerself
22:09 billymg make sure to clear cache for css
22:09 asciilifeform ah hrm vanished when zapped cache
22:09 billymg yeah, i saw it on your www, then `shift-refresh`
22:09 asciilifeform aite them
22:09 billymg yeah
22:09 asciilifeform *then
22:10 asciilifeform reflow seems to work as well. a++ billymg , ty
22:10 asciilifeform i'ma mirror the patch
22:10 billymg that's actually the neat thing about lynx, since it ignores css, can put special lynx-only bits in your markup and simply `display: none;` in graphical browsers to hide
22:11 billymg was sort of an interesting exercise for me at least, formatting for both lynx and graphical browsers
22:14 billymg asciilifeform: glad it worked, note also it's on top of 'archived_chans.kv.vpatch' rather than 'style_fixes.kv.vpatch' since it has more or less the same end result but also works with the crapples
22:15 asciilifeform noted, ty
22:16 billymg asciilifeform: btw, another thing for css caching. whenever i make a change to a css file on one of my sites i update the <style> link tag as well, adding a ?v=$VERSION param to the url
22:16 billymg this forces the client to pull from the server rather than cache
22:17 billymg e.g. my logotron mirror now on v10 <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/bitdash.css?v=10" />
22:18 billymg some people automate this by appending a file hash but i don't make enough updates to bother with that yet
22:19 asciilifeform log www updated!! ty again billymg .
22:19 billymg asciilifeform: np
22:22 billymg asciilifeform: i'm about to embark on a new gentoo build like this one. can i ask if you started with one of the stage tarballs from here and if so, which one?
22:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-23 15:13:39 asciilifeform: recently completed a gentoo box w/ xorg and using circa-2021 packages strictly, save for gcc (where 4.9) and w/out any systemdisms which crept in since the '16 cut date of dulap-gentoo ; so can confirm that it is possible. but sadly no time to document the process atm
22:22 asciilifeform billymg: i started with a gentoo that was originally born in '11
22:22 asciilifeform which is why said 'i'ma have to repeat this from 0'
22:23 billymg asciilifeform: oh, i misinterpreted the 'circa-2021' packages part then
22:23 asciilifeform billymg: iirc there is a procedure for retrofitting gcc 4.9.x into a post-'16 gentoo, possibly even in the logs
22:23 asciilifeform billymg: circa-2021 portage + rebuild of (most of) world req'd to make current xorg go
22:24 asciilifeform the portage in particular was planted 'whole' in place of an existing one
22:33 billymg asciilifeform: on a laptop of mine i started with a stock upstream gentoo (2018 i think) and retrofitted with gcc 4.9.x, afaict also still systemd free (i started with an openrc stage3 tarball)
22:35 billymg maybe i'll try the hardened openrc stage3 from their downloads page and see where that gets me
22:38 billymg unless asciilifeform thinks i should instead stick with the dulap that's currently on the box and try to find another way around this missing dep for xorg
22:38 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-23 15:09:56 billymg: asciilifeform: unrelated, i'm trying to configure dulap with xorg and dwm but one of the deps for xorg isn't found on your repo, 'app-eselect/eselect-mesa-0.0.10-r1'
22:40 asciilifeform billymg: in fact there 'over 9000' missing deps (i.e. where current xorg won't build on previous $lib)
22:41 asciilifeform billymg: i rec to try from the current stage3 + asciilifeform's published ban list configs. not because i know that this works, but because unknown and oughta be tried
22:41 asciilifeform then post result.
22:41 billymg asciilifeform: will try this approach, ty
22:42 * asciilifeform when carried out the previously-described operation, was not properly documenting, focus was to get a usable box asap above all else
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