| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
eh |
| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.064s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680533 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.122s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.155s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680694 (Operator: whaack) |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.163s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : (182518.pk.3pp.slovanet.sk) Alive: (0.307s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=474688 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.268s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412042 (Operator: jurov) |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.398s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 |
| 09:10 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.604s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 |
| |
~ 1 hours 23 minutes ~ |
| 10:34 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.084s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.098s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680538 |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680704 (Operator: whaack) |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.176s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.223s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.162s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 |
| 10:34 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.284s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412042 (Operator: jurov) |
| 10:34 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
| 10:35 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.108s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 |
| |
~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~ |
| 12:20 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: did you declare your machines to customs? |
| 12:22 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: nope. technically was not obligatory (per sum of nominal value) |
| 12:23 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: I suspected as much. |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: they did end up seen though |
| 12:23 |
thimbronion |
Found a suitcase that is a *precise* fit. With comp is only 40lb. |
| 12:24 |
thimbronion |
er, more like 45 but yeah |
| |
~ 57 minutes ~ |
| 13:21 |
shinohai |
$ticker btc usd |
| 13:21 |
btcinfobot |
Current BTC price in USD: $54195.92 |
| 13:22 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: i wonder if the upstream item was down |
| 13:22 |
asciilifeform |
(where does it eat prices?) |
| 13:23 |
shinohai |
bitstamp but yeah they were down earlier for few minutes |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
aa |
| 13:24 |
shinohai |
(as most cex's do when btc price rises, breaks their fiat model of the day) |
| 13:31 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: i never understood why the goxes ~to this day~ suffer from hiccups like this -- given as they frontrun the hell outta errrything as a matter of course |
| |
~ 36 minutes ~ |
| 14:08 |
verisimilitude |
Wouldn't incompetence be the simple explanation? |
| 14:09 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: the degree of incompetence in question, times the dough nominally avail. to correct it, times the length of time it has gone on -- is imho possibly a record-breaker |
| 14:10 |
verisimilitude |
Just look at UNIX. |
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| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: unix is a different, more insiduous and deliberate atrocity. |
| 14:14 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-12 13:04:27 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it long ago went from 'mistake, like leaded petrol' to deliberate 'job-creating tech' fraud. |
| 14:15 |
verisimilitude |
Alright; we agree it's worse, and merely the category is different; I don't disagree. |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 14:41 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034708 <<< which gender are you btw, -W or -Wpedantic ? |
| 14:41 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-26 14:10:59 verisimilitude: Just look at UNIX. |
| 14:50 |
verisimilitude |
Rephrase the question. |
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~ 1 hours 35 minutes ~ |
| 16:25 |
thestringpuller |
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-24#1034615 << I think I may know who this is. I don't talk to him much anymore, but if it's who I think it is he's been blowing up my phone. Sorry if it's caused any inconvenience |
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| 16:25 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-24 14:09:57 trinque: thestringpuller: hey, some guy was pestering me a while back about btc from 2014, said you sent him. recall, I was not running deedbot at the time, was punkman iirc. |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
wb thestringpuller ( 5y !? ) |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: what brings you to #a ? |
| 16:28 |
asciilifeform |
( ftr, last known sighting of thestringpuller prior to nao ) |
| 16:28 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2017-03-03 thestringpuller: called* |
| 16:31 |
thestringpuller |
A buddy of mine works from Tlon and mentioned your blog. Which brought me back to your blog which brought me to this channel. |
| 16:31 |
thestringpuller |
for* |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
aa, the urbit people. |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: the friend of yours, i'm curious -- whether he ever revealed why yarvin quit own megacompany |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
(afaik publicly this remains an enigma) |
| 16:33 |
thestringpuller |
One of the people I met at a meetup sort of implied it was always his goal retire and let the thing live on its own. |
| 16:34 |
thestringpuller |
This was like 4 years ago tho, he also seemed not highly involved in day today when I met him? Seemed like he just managed PR's and architectural stuff of running Tlon's galaxies |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: last i knew, still regularly scheduled 'we're rebooting the universe'. |
| 16:34 |
thestringpuller |
(iirc ~zod ran on GCP) |
| 16:35 |
thestringpuller |
yea I think they are having less breaches since the move to ethereum. that's sort of when I stopped following until my buddy was like "I work for tlon now, cause I like math" |
| 16:36 |
asciilifeform |
thread-oblig. asciilifeform's party line re urbitism . |
| 16:37 |
thestringpuller |
I think holochain is in parallel to it? But holo isn't stateful enough for me, depends to much on self organizing. |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
more or less complete, ftr, chronology re: above. |
| 16:39 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2016-08-18 asciilifeform: 1 - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << the sale |
| 16:39 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: I remember this article. I'm guessing jets probably didn't jive well with you at all. |
| 16:39 |
thestringpuller |
I'm no silicon engineer so creating his "martian tech" in silicon is beyond my comprehension tbh |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: yarvin is intelligent but a) extremely, fabulously cowardly b) lacks ability of synthesis . |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
his creations all follow the pattern of '1:1 scale eiffel's tower from matchsticks' |
| 16:41 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. impressive in scale and detail, but 'where original -- not good, where good -- not least bit original' |
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| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
'nock', for instance, is simply the S-K calculus 'with flames painted on and chrome rims' |
| 16:43 |
* |
asciilifeform followed the subj back when author still published it under (thinly disguised) pseudonyms. when the sv circus got in, got out, w/ no regrets. |
| 16:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ decade!! |
| 16:44 |
asciilifeform |
just about. |
| 16:44 |
thestringpuller |
I don't think they shy away from the "LISP underpinnings" in the documentation iirc. I just didn't realize it was a retelling of what's already been told decades past. |
| 16:44 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: are you familiar with 'greenspun's tenth law' ? |
| 16:45 |
asciilifeform |
will cite : 'Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.' |
| 16:45 |
thestringpuller |
Oh the "joke" about complicated C having the LISP implementation naively inside of it? |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
in the case of yarvin, was not merely literally true, but layered in 3 (last i counted) concentric layers of 'puzzle langs' |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
(the implementation of ~each~ of which was detectably buggy..) |
| 16:47 |
thestringpuller |
Yea Nock is the base layer, then the Nock interpreter written in Hoon, and then Hoon itself, (along with of course the C-Jets) |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
whole thing riding on gargantuan ball of obfuscated-c. |
| 16:48 |
asciilifeform |
more or less the canonical illustration for the antithesis of asciilifeform's 'fits in head' design philosophy. |
| 16:48 |
thestringpuller |
yea each "urbit" will have to run with interpreter code dependent on platform along with the pill containing the "log" |
| 16:48 |
thestringpuller |
I think they have 4 now: Android, MacOS, *Nix, Windows 10 |
| 16:49 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: asciilifeform in fact read the src (as it existed in '11-'13.) possibly the only 1 outside of the gang to have done so. barfed. |
| 16:49 |
thestringpuller |
I think the only guarantee they make is nock code runs the same on a jet, as it would if you hand calculated, but I don't know how you would audit this? |
| 16:50 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: it is fundamentally impossible, in the general case, to do this mechanically. |
| 16:50 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: Yea, I'm weary of the guarantee of statefulness, which is what interested me in it in the first place |
| 16:50 |
asciilifeform |
not only this, but the claimed equivalence is fraudulent. |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
underlying implementations -- matter. and cannot be made not to. |
| 16:51 |
thestringpuller |
I actually reference that bedrock article to junior engineers constantly. |
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| 16:52 |
thestringpuller |
particular when I say "computers are bad and we hate them" and then they ask "why?" |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
generally to folx 35--65y.o. don't need to explain, they simply nod |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
(given as they remember computers that more or less worked) |
| 16:54 |
thestringpuller |
Recently start using my GameBoy as a pocket gaming device over traditional smartphone partially for this reason. |
| 16:54 |
thestringpuller |
Also have become obsessed with C64 programming. Even got the little tape deck machine and everything |
| 16:55 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: there are still folx today writing gamez for ancient game consoles (pretty simple to do w/ modern rom emulator boxes) |
| 16:55 |
asciilifeform |
ditto c64 ('commodore exposed' and other texts actually got reprinted..!) |
| 16:55 |
thestringpuller |
I've also become obsessed with tape seeking data. |
| 16:56 |
thestringpuller |
Also went to "adult summer camp" just to program some fortran on punch cards and watch it run |
| 16:56 |
asciilifeform |
there's a cycle-accurate c64 and even amiga on fpga. and imho not merely from nostalgia: these boxes were actually ~fun~ to program for. because ~not~ included five bookcase's worth of changes-every-6months shitlibs |
| 16:58 |
thestringpuller |
the 6502 I think informs nearly all video game architecture up until about 2002 when Billy Gates got involved |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
phunphakt -- 6502 still in production today. |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
i've a sample here baked in '17 |
| 16:59 |
thestringpuller |
yea I think you can get 100 for like under a grand |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
they're 2-3$ in qty, iirc. |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
(and the current 120nm 6502's will do 20+MHz !) |
| 17:01 |
thestringpuller |
I guess the dark ages of computers started with Intel's 8086 |
| 17:02 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: revisiting upstack briefly -- whatcha interested in these days? other than yarvin's kunstkammer ? |
| 17:16 |
verisimilitude |
Hello, thestringpuller. |
| 17:16 |
thestringpuller |
main interest now is big data after working in marketing for so many years. seems like corporations are spending billions to get people to click on things |
| 17:16 |
thestringpuller |
hi verisimilitude |
| 17:17 |
verisimilitude |
On the topic of old game programming, I'm rather experienced; I like CHIP-8. |
| 17:18 |
thestringpuller |
that's way before my time. I think first platform I programmed on was either GBA or Super Nintendo |
| 17:19 |
thestringpuller |
did they use the Atari-style graphics architecture? |
| 17:20 |
verisimilitude |
On the topic of Urbit, I was befuddled to see it and some of my work in a paper from 1978. |
| 17:20 |
verisimilitude |
No; there's a sprite XOR model. |
| 17:23 |
thestringpuller |
Oh I see. GPU programming is weird, it's all about getting textures that are rendered to the GPU memory asap |
| 17:24 |
thestringpuller |
For GBA I think you would DMA new parts of the sprite sheet into VRAM almost every cycle from the card. (I also think the drop in load times from cartridge -> CD-ROM was something nintendo loathed and tried to avoid it for years) |
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~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 17:56 |
verisimilitude |
I use a a custom programming tool for CHIP-8; I'd like to target the 6502 soon enough. I've ideas about how to nicely work with accumulator machines. |
| |
~ 2 hours 10 minutes ~ |
| 20:06 |
trinque |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034715 << not a problem, just wanted to see if you were aware. |
| 20:06 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-26 16:25:08 thestringpuller: trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-24#1034615 << I think I may know who this is. I don't talk to him much anymore, but if it's who I think it is he's been blowing up my phone. Sorry if it's caused any inconvenience |
| 20:07 |
trinque |
convo smelled a bit of scam. |
| 20:10 |
trinque |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034739 << describes the entire enterprise of sv |
| 20:10 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-26 16:41:10 asciilifeform: i.e. impressive in scale and detail, but 'where original -- not good, where good -- not least bit original' |
| 20:10 |
* |
trinque currently has the (mis)fortune of a tour through a particularly large one. |
| 20:11 |
trinque |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034761 << if you're among junior engineers that can absorb it properly, congrats. |
| 20:11 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-26 16:51:28 thestringpuller: I actually reference that bedrock article to junior engineers constantly. |