10:43 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
10:43 |
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12:30 |
mats |
'hackthebox' is fun and only 10eur/mo, best sub money i've ever spent |
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12:30 |
asciilifeform |
mats: wat's that ? |
12:31 |
mats |
hosted collection of ctfs, like overthewire and others in the past |
12:39 |
mats |
how is your tutoring going? getting gud with a pistol? |
12:39 |
asciilifeform |
mats: was 1time weekend refresher thing. rifles. |
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12:40 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what've you been up to ? |
12:43 |
mats |
until this week i'd been spending a lot of time training in the gym (boxing), swimming, ctfs, and watching too much television |
12:43 |
mats |
socal's having a helluva time with the covid deniers |
12:45 |
mats |
been debating on/off about whether to buy a firearm, i live in a nice area with responsive police, but you never know what idiots will do |
12:46 |
mats |
theres a disturbing number of 'ghost' receivers , hundreds of thousands of them, getting on the streets |
12:46 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the plastic thing ? |
12:46 |
mats |
no, cody wilson is a shmuck, its the real thing |
12:47 |
mats |
less serial. i personally know three people who were able to purchase them online with credit cards without any of the usual controls |
12:47 |
mats |
that those people would buy them (they are asians), is a surprise unto itself, the times are a changing |
12:48 |
asciilifeform |
mats: is this just the usual blackmarket irons, or the one where you gotta machine N % of it yerself ? |
12:48 |
mats |
former, and all you need are hand tools |
12:48 |
mats |
latter* |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
well, in e.g. philippines they still make whole thing w/ hand tools |
12:51 |
asciilifeform |
kalash, pistol, whichever |
12:51 |
mats |
https://www.thetrace.org/2019/05/ghost-gun-california-crime some coverage |
12:51 |
asciilifeform |
if yer patient, can make just about any iron by hand. |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
mats: in 1970s SU there was a famous gang that made 100% own SMGs entirely by hand. they worked great, and still can be seen in museum |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
it aint a mars rocket, decent craftsman can make in a week or so from junkyard stock. |
12:53 |
mats |
right |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
what astonishes asciilifeform , is the morons who make and then can't resist to post on net... |
12:54 |
mats |
i'm also debating whether or not to buy some of the new fangled ultralight ceramic inserts and a plate carrier |
12:54 |
asciilifeform |
afaik these sold 100% openly in usa. |
12:55 |
mats |
its a couple thou up front, but they're good for decades, so amortisation isn't so bad |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
( unlike e.g. su ) |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i still suspect that at some pt usg will close the ancient loophole and serialize the barrels, like in the other reich countries |
12:58 |
mats |
fifty years too late for that |
12:59 |
mats |
in other not so news, https://books.google.com/books/about/Irreversible_Damage.html?id=GO6yDwAAQBAJ |
12:59 |
mats |
author predictably decried in the usual papers as 'anti trans' and what not |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
iirc these came up in #t |
13:01 |
mats |
this ships with more scholarship than polemic |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
self-mutilation cults are nuffin new, they had'em in medieval ru, self-castrators etc |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
( for that matter, even in rome.. ) |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
mats: re the seekrit weapons -- asciilifeform always thought it'd make sense for the enthusiasts to take the time and learn basic metalwork. a decent cnc rig can be had 2ndhand for less than what most of the fancy 'ar' etc are sold for commercially. then make whatever. |
13:05 |
mats |
a day in the machine shop certainly spares you from association with unsavory characters that traffic in these items |
13:08 |
mats |
in commiefornia, legal ar15 comes with a ridiculous pinhole mod of the mag ejector, so you need a small object to dump, and legal mag limits are 10 rounds or less |
13:09 |
superkuh |
Get a big bore pre-compressed air fully automatic rifle. Their performance is almost as good as firearms now. |
13:09 |
superkuh |
It worked for Lewis and Clarke. |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
interesting, i was under impression that anyffin more modern than bow&arrow were banned in californistan |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: i actually have 1 of those, a+++ for pest control |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
they aint cheap, however |
13:10 |
mats |
i forget the year (maybe post-2010), most new model firearms can only be purchased by law enforcement in ca |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
mats: afaik californistan is traditionally most fascist locale in usa, for many decades nao |
13:13 |
mats |
https://reason.com/2019/02/06/californias-ban-on-all-new-pistol-models featuring volokh conspiracy, which i hadn't heard of until it was mentioned here (or #t? don't remember) |
13:14 |
mats |
i miss reading the regular conversations between you and mp, it was a weekly thing for me |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
mats: maybe was entertaining to read later, but the actual process felt rather like bashing head against cement wall |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
apropos of thread, incidentally, mp fancied himself a great armaments expert, even tho had nfi that 'eagle' fires blunt bullet with negligible penetration, entirely unlike 50 bmg. a fact known even to small children in usa. |
13:16 |
mats |
there was definitely a lot more inscrutable mp rage to skim over in the latter half of tmsr |
13:17 |
mats |
but i still occasionally grep the logs on a monthly basis for an interesting tidbit here and there |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
there's plenty of interesting&useful in the old logs. |
13:17 |
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asciilifeform regularly links. |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
mats: re arms, i find it interesting that despite the low cost of modern cnc, there's ~0 meaningful experimentation among the enthusiasts with genuinely new concepts. e.g. the liquid propellants suggested in '70s in nato world. |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
theoretically could dispense with the need for precision brass cases. 1 fewer difficult-to-produce item for reich to ban . |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
near as i can tell, all the american garage folx are making the same tired old vietnam war broomstick |
13:21 |
mats |
i'm not familiar with these liquid propellants |
13:22 |
asciilifeform |
example straight from pentagon. |
13:22 |
mats |
genuine 'ban' has long been a nonstarter, and proliferation is at absurd levels |
13:24 |
mats |
i expect people will still be digging up buried caches of ar in 2220, like recovery of qing(?) era muskets dug up for the kmt/ccp civil war |
13:24 |
mats |
hm no ming actually |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
in ex-sov world, to this day ww2 (and even ww1) -era irons still regularly feature in police blotter |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
i have doubts re longevity of american 'ar' tho, far too fiddly mechanism. and multitude of annoying little springs. |
13:27 |
superkuh |
"hydroxyl ammonium nitrate based liquid monopropellant" Whoa boy. Good thing they never tried it in a barrel with a diameter of more than a few inches. |
13:28 |
superkuh |
Only takes 3 or so for the deflagration to detonation transition shockwave in ammonium nitrate slurries. |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: linked item is merely 1 example. various armies keep returning to the idea, it is attractive to dispense with the soldier having to carry 20kg of brass, when could instead carry 4x the bullet |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
but afaik never perfected. |
13:28 |
superkuh |
Yeah. It's a neat idea. |
13:29 |
mats |
i wish pdfs were more easily parseable |
13:29 |
asciilifeform |
mats: afaik all the dtic material is plain old scan of telefax. |
13:30 |
mats |
i'd pay for a roided pocket/historio.us (without 10k bookmarks limit) hat will index pdf content, second degree index of content of urls within urls, hitting archive.org/is if a page isnt live and caching the result, with regex plus google style modifier search like site:, around(n), wildcards, -query +query OR AND etc |
13:30 |
asciilifeform |
would need futuristic ocrism, neh. |
13:31 |
mats |
i have a massive library of interesting bookmarks (to which your link has been added) that i search regularly, and pdfs regularly fall through the gaps |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
mats: at 1 time, i fed these through ocr, then realized that even a 1 in 50pg error rate makes the output ~useless for technical material |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
(and in practice eggogism is much greater than above) |
13:33 |
superkuh |
I download everything and then use Recoll for full text index and search. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
when i mirror pdfisms on own www, i do it like this. still aint searchable, but at least dun require GB+ of shitware to display. |
13:33 |
superkuh |
http://www.recoll.org |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: how's the ocr ? |
13:34 |
superkuh |
Not part of it. |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
a |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
i've yet to see an ocrtron that doesn't miserably fall down when given mathematical (esp. 'dark ages' , made on typewriter) material |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
and that happens to be most of what's on my hdd |
13:35 |
superkuh |
https://www.lesbonscomptes.com/recoll/usermanual/usermanual.html#RCL.INDEXING.OCR |
13:35 |
superkuh |
Apparently it has modules for tesseract and other OCR. |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
right. nao if only it actually worked.. |
13:36 |
superkuh |
Yeah. I've messed with tesseract before. And then stopped. |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
most book warez that was in fact ocr-able, is already in plain .txt on my machine (largely ru stuff) |
13:37 |
asciilifeform |
the remainder, aint ocrable at all, cuz loox like the earlier link. |
13:48 |
asciilifeform |
mats: re bans and 'proliferations' -- theoretically any uppity plebe in usa found w/ something more than bow&arrow can be given 20-to-life if prosecutor willing to spend an evening or 2 'sewing a case' |
13:48 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2017-05-10 asciilifeform: remember, this was the country where a man got 20 yrs for being found with a shoelace and a semiauto |
13:49 |
asciilifeform |
it's more about 'chilling effect' / 'make example' than actual attempt to make what is in effect 19th c. tech somehow unobtainable |
13:51 |
asciilifeform |
and commercial manufacturers generally won't touch anyffin that smells of 'almost banned'. take the example of electrically-fired primers. |
13:52 |
asciilifeform |
for a time, these were seen as an advance -- no firing pin, potentially much smaller wobble -- 0 mechanical clockwork for trigger. but then usg proclaimed 'these can be turned into banned MG simply in software' and whole subject disappeared, from market, from trade literature, errywhere. |
13:54 |
mats |
i remember seeing an advert for a remington weapon like this in mid 2000s, proclaimed as 'highly reliable' and futuristic |
13:55 |
mats |
forgot about it until now, wonder why it hasnt taken off for military use |
13:55 |
asciilifeform |
iirc there were problems, but nuffin that could not have been worked out via the usual iterative process. but no one wants to invest actual moneys in a design that could be banned at drop of a hat |
13:56 |
superkuh |
Electronics just seem like a bad idea in a gun. |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
mats: pentagon very conservative with small arms design ever since vietnam debacle |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: most of the aficionados (whether military or amateur) already rely on electronic sights |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
sometimes costing 5fig $ |
13:56 |
mats |
simpler design - no moving parts, more rounds on station, less recoil |
13:57 |
asciilifeform |
simpler. and there are batteries that will last for 50+ yrs. |
13:57 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2017-05-17 asciilifeform: asciilifeform bought up the lithium thionyl chloride batteries, for pennies |
13:58 |
superkuh |
What happens when someone drops a single flux compression generator or virtual cathode oscillator EMP in the area? |
13:58 |
superkuh |
Those have been common since the 80s. |
13:58 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: overrated item. nobody cancelled inverse-square. |
13:59 |
superkuh |
Just means more cost and complexity has to be built into the electronics of the gun. |
13:59 |
asciilifeform |
nuke emp raised much false hopes re 'emp weapon', but most of the pushers are conscious frauds, pretending that similar effect can be achieved w/out pumping 1e12 charged particles suddenly through van allen belt |
14:00 |
superkuh |
If you're talking effecting an entire city or region, okay. But I totally believe in EMP for a few blocks. |
14:00 |
asciilifeform |
in reality, 20-50 metres. and at the cost of a full sized aerial bomb. |
14:02 |
superkuh |
I suppose the effect as mines would be much less since they'd not have height above terrain and minimal LOS. But maybe in trees? |
14:02 |
superkuh |
In terms of IED emp. |
14:03 |
asciilifeform |
ru actually fielded an emp shell in early 2000s. worx great in the specific context (disabling active armour at close range prior to 2nd conventional shell) |
14:03 |
mats |
penny for penny, a bouncing betty is better |
14:03 |
asciilifeform |
mats: indeed. empism is typical 'golden toilet'. |
14:03 |
superkuh |
I just like radio. :) |
14:04 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally in context of war, only really worx against radios (i.e. where there is antenna that , by design, gotta receive, so cannot shield) |
14:04 |
superkuh |
It's really hard to make any electronics without accidentally creating antenna that work for some random assortment of freqs. |
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14:05 |
asciilifeform |
most famous actual field use was in gulf war 1 , against baghdad tv station. (repaired 4h later! but no one asked 'how many hrs to repair if instead had used a 100 $ aviabomb, instead of 100,000 $ 'emp' ) |
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14:05 |
mats |
as a schoolchild i was introduced by 'dune' to the idea that explosives are trivially accessible to people with books, at all levels of civilisation |
14:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i was introduced before read 'dune', via actual explosives. |
14:05 |
superkuh |
Same. It was my childhood hobby. |
14:05 |
mats |
yes, the illustrious alf kindergarten |
14:05 |
superkuh |
But I still have my fingers today. |
14:06 |
mats |
i came up in 90s silicon valley, no such education available to me |
14:06 |
asciilifeform |
is superb 'iq test' imho |
14:07 |
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mats settled for rubber band guns made out of disposable chopsticks at age 8 |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: sv does seem to resemble su as depicted in usa caricatures, far more than the actual historic item |
14:09 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: incidentally, the story of how and why flux compressor was devised, imho is interesting in own right. originates with saharov's attempts to make a fissiles-free thermonuke, in '50s. |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
( unsurprisingly, ~100% of the solid material on subj, to this day only avail. in ru. ) |
14:10 |
superkuh |
Didn't know that. Makes sense if you want lots of current cheaply without big caps. |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
can get far moar current than from any physically-constructable caps |
14:11 |
asciilifeform |
(and you still do need the caps -- that's how you get the initial field yer compressing w/ the dynamite) |
14:11 |
superkuh |
Right. Just not huge caps. |
14:11 |
superkuh |
http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Electronics/Magnetic%20Flux%20Compression/ |
14:12 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: basic principle of course public for decades nao. but if you were to go & build, plenty of 'devil in details' |
14:12 |
superkuh |
I think if I wanted EMP it'd be a simple spark gap marx hooked up to a copper pipe TEM horn in front of a parabolic dish. |
14:13 |
asciilifeform |
several physical effects not usually encountered in radio work -- e.g. corona discharge (atmosphere conducts) |
14:13 |
superkuh |
Well, marx->coax->TEM horn. |
14:13 |
superkuh |
I've got a lot of HV experience. |
14:13 |
superkuh |
Hobby-wise. |
14:13 |
asciilifeform |
superkuh: folx routinely build this, then fry lappy at coupla meters, iirc there are public photos. |
14:13 |
asciilifeform |
there are even commercial setups sold for testing shields. |
14:14 |
superkuh |
Yeah, the TEM 'bridges' you put the device in are pretty neat. |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
however 'pull box outta knapsack and fry whole street' is science fiction. |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
elementarily , atmosphere does not permit the req'd field density in a reasonably small volume. |
14:15 |
asciilifeform |
( nuke emp 'cheats' via use of ionosphere ) |
14:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-17#1016547 << this btw is much exaggerated. if entire device (incl. energy source) is in conductive contour, then emp irrelevant. no one cancelled green's theorem.. |
14:18 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-07-17 14:04:57 superkuh: It's really hard to make any electronics without accidentally creating antenna that work for some random assortment of freqs. |
14:19 |
asciilifeform |
and on top of this, induced voltage only really problem if you have semiconductors. (recall mig-29, no shielding, but radar 100% lamp !) |
14:20 |
superkuh |
For a firearm triggering system, yeah, it's probably inside metal. But unlikely a complete surface. Instead each slot will act like the equivalent antenna by babinets theorem. |
14:20 |
superkuh |
Er, unlikely a completely surface surrounding the volume. |
14:20 |
asciilifeform |
if the shell is in-battery pos., then can be 100% closed countour, i can't see wainot |
14:22 |
asciilifeform |
barrel -- conductive, shell -- conductive , mechanism containing battery/trigger -- ditto |
14:25 |
asciilifeform |
and since 0 semiconductors in circuit, what exactly can opponent hope to accomplish via emp ? induce the 5A or so the primer wants to fire , hope that rifle is pointed at yer foot while this happens ? |
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16:20 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in lulz from other folx's chans . |
16:20 |
snsabot |
(ossasepia) 2020-07-17 jfw: and *sigh* it was originally a ~$35 TRNG; vendor closed but the schematics are there waiting for someone to step up and make more |
16:21 |
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asciilifeform still doesn't grasp what precisely prevents jfw et al from making own. asciilifeform documented the item to the point of nauseating pedantry. |
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16:23 |
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asciilifeform even hosts, pro bono, orig. www where whole thing lived. |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
can't resist to link to the lulzy 'glacier' idiocy, where is discussed 'failure scenarios' incl. e.g. 'Seismic side channel', 'Thermal side channel', 'malware', w/out mentioning that req. dep. 'bitcoin core' is itself malware. |
16:42 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-17#1016587 <<< those who cannot do, tea^H^H^HBitch ? |
16:42 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-07-17 16:21:53 asciilifeform: still doesn't grasp what precisely prevents jfw et al from making own. asciilifeform documented the item to the point of nauseating pedantry. |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: i have nfi. it aint especially difficult to make. (tho if fella actually thinks 'when i sell out my warehouse of N, can get N+1 in a week or 2' has rude surprise waiting for him |
16:45 |
asciilifeform |
) |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
fwiw asciilifeform initially anticipated having to make with hands, so deliberately designed for it to be possible (albeit unpleasant) -- e.g. did not use any smt parts smaller than 0805; no BGAs; etc |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
iirc jfw et al bought in the fire sale at least 1 example of prototype made exactly that way |
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17:53 |
shinohai |
https://downdetector.com/status/cloudflare/ <<< kek |
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18:08 |
asciilifeform |
lollity |
18:19 |
shinohai |
In other shits-n-giggles: https://archive.is/Mll5H |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
wtf was it orig.? |
18:21 |
shinohai |
It was part of the "parler" website (which is the Trump supporter's app that is answer to twitter or something) |
18:26 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: never heard of this.. |
18:32 |
shinohai |
Been about since late 2018, though appears just coming into fashion more with conservatives a Qtards. |
18:32 |
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shinohai doesn't use, requires phone for signup |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: you may recall, asciilifeform said in very beginning of 'trump revolution' , 'seen this film before -- zhirinovsky' . |
18:34 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2016-06-22 ascii_deadfiber: i dun see the 'winning.' the man is the american zhirinovsky - crafted heat sink for excitable 'red state' folk. |
18:35 |
asciilifeform |
never had to 'disillusioned' , cuz illusion was very cheap trick on day1. |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
if some folx continue to insist that it somehow matters which muppet reads the script in oval office, this is their problem. |