#asciilifeform | 2020-02-20

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00:30	curiousd0g	shinohai: based
00:33	shinohai	It got rather annoying, apparently you tell one set "Do not come back" ... but message does not reach others unless extreme measures are taken.
		~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~
01:49	thimbronion	I fled Idaho all the way to Maryland and guess who knocked on my door? Mormons from Idaho.
01:50	shinohai	lol
		~ 3 hours 25 minutes ~
05:15	asciilifeform	apol. for bot interruption -- started process of moving it to new box ( not yet done )
		~ 3 hours 48 minutes ~
09:04	spyked	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-15#1006724 <-- done. next mod6.net post should pop here has well
09:04	snsabot	Logged on 2020-02-15 02:42:36 asciilifeform: spyked plox to add mod6 feed here when you get a chance, ty
		~ 3 hours 16 minutes ~
12:21	shinohai	./ticker btc usd
		~ 1 hours 33 minutes ~
13:54	asciilifeform	ty spyked !
09:05	asciilifeform	attn readers: bot & logger have moved to new iron.
09:06	asciilifeform	if anyone notices oddities, plox to write in. ( immediately visible is faster load & search. moved from rk to proper heavyweight. )
09:15	asciilifeform	!q uptime
09:15	snsabot	asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 12m
		~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~
10:29	asciilifeform	hey shinohai , is that bot on your home machine or wat
10:32	shinohai	Nope is on old crusty IBM server at friend's farm. I visit it ~3 months.
10:33	asciilifeform	shinohai: if you genesised the thing, perhaps could help find out why thing won't stay up
10:34	shinohai	The funny thin is bot has been up, just didn't rejoin this chan, forgot to add it to autojoin I think
10:34	shinohai	./uptime
10:34	shinohai	oh it left again?
10:34	asciilifeform	indeed
10:36	shinohai	Prolly left earlier, my znc is on same box. I noticed disconnect but didn't think anything about it.
10:41	asciilifeform	shinohai: could be sad pipe, possib. lemme know if you want an rk...
10:43	shinohai	Could be, though normally I have good uptime, at least as far as znc goes. re: rk have been thinking about that for this spring.
10:47	asciilifeform	shinohai: aite. you can get 1 on 1day's notice (same day if you order in morning newyork time) . there are 19 rk in stock atm.
10:48	asciilifeform	comes w/ 'rk-gentoo'. dpb seems happy with his.
10:49	shinohai	The Gentoo is one of most attractive features. My laziness comes because I loathe thought of migrating www again, but know it needs doing.
10:51	asciilifeform	fwiw my logger ran on rk, from late october until this morning
10:52	asciilifeform	( along w/ the legacy FG www , and coupla other things )
10:52	shinohai	Still making prep for phuctor box?
10:52	asciilifeform	shinohai: box is ready actually. need to move the db to it still
10:53	asciilifeform	( 1 nice thing re hands-reachable rack, is that can move heavy loads w/out soaking up pipe for days, simply using esata disk & drive there.. )
		~ 59 minutes ~
11:53	feedbot	http://thetarpit.org/2020/footnote-callback-tooltips-for-mp-wp-thetarpit-markdown-plugin << The Tar Pit -- Footnote callback tooltips for MP-WP thetarpit Markdown plugin
		~ 4 hours 32 minutes ~
16:25	feedbot	http://bingology.net/2020/a-homework-assignment-from-diana_coman-trawling-ancient-pms-seeking-what-worked-for-early-qntra-and-where-im-at-on-scripting-a-conversion-engine/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- A Homework Assignment From Diana_Coman: Trawling Ancient PMs Seeking What Worked For Early Qntra And Where I'm At On Scripting A Conversion Engine
16:26	shinohai	smdh
		~ 19 minutes ~
16:46	curiousd0g	why do they speak in complicatish?
		~ 16 minutes ~
17:03	shinohai	It's a cult thing I guess.
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17:08	asciilifeform	shinohai: what's a smdh ?
17:08	curiousd0g	shaking my damn head
17:09	asciilifeform	lolk
17:12	asciilifeform	at what, shinohai , shake head ? if e.g. BingoBoingo wants to spam randos, it's b/w him and odin
17:14	shinohai	'tis between him and Odin to bend over for diana_coman's skool as well.
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17:14	asciilifeform	that also
		~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~
18:23	feedbot	http://qntra.net/2020/02/vexit-joined-by-western-secession-movement-to-add-rural-counties-presently-in-oregon-to-idaho/ << Qntra -- #Vexit Joined By Western Secession Movement To Add Rural Counties Presently In Oregon To Idaho
		~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~
19:37	asciilifeform	in entirely unrelated noose: trb noad at 205.134.172.27 is, at this time, fully synced.
19:41	shinohai	Anyone know whose noad this is? https://bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88
19:42	asciilifeform	shinohai: i have absolutely nfi. iirc it's been around for at least a year
19:43	asciilifeform	i seem to recall a coupla others claiming to be trb but with oddball ver #s
19:44	asciilifeform	( there is nuffin intrinsically evil about this, imho. but if they in fact are trb, the noad operators would do well to show their faces )
19:45	shinohai	I thought it might be davout, since France but can't recall where he says he is these days.
19:45	asciilifeform	i dun recall him
19:45	asciilifeform	mentioning a node
19:45	asciilifeform	but whoknows
19:47	asciilifeform	shinohai: it actually aint hard to mechanically determine whether a node is a trb (or something very closely similar, at any rate), simply send it some heathen cmds and see if it hangs up on you. i had this in (yet unpublished) noad walker, eventually will dig out.
19:48	asciilifeform	there's half a dozen litmuses like this (e.g. if yer being sent bloom filter crapola -- you aint talking to a trb. etc)
19:49	shinohai	^ was actually gonna say this, connect to it and check logs for heathen cmd
19:49	asciilifeform	.. or that
19:51	asciilifeform	the ~absence~ of crapola doesn't 'prove it's trb' tho. there are reasonably-compat. nodes that clearly aint trb, per behaviour, that still show up in my 'who-gave' re blox
19:52	asciilifeform	iirc even stock prb, before certain ver. (9?) knew how to speak politely to trb so as not to get malleus'd
19:52	asciilifeform	(at one time, these actually looked at peer's declared version and adjusted properly)
19:54	shinohai	The thing annoying me these days about prb are folx using those dumb bech32 addys. I refuse to transact with 'em (since have no way to do so currently anyway)
19:55	asciilifeform	tangentially, mp never Officially backpedalled re his claim that 'no serious miner sits on prb' -- but evidently false, given that segshitness etc. 'anyone-can-spend' nonsense still not unwound
19:55	curiousd0g	prb?
19:55	shinohai	Prolly coming in next version of "The real REAL Bitcoin"
19:56	asciilifeform	curiousd0g: the bloated liquishit claiming to be 'Official btc client' , prb ('public relations bitcoin', orig. an mpism)
19:57	asciilifeform	aka 'core' etc
19:58	curiousd0g	oh, you mean segwitcoin
19:58	asciilifeform	tsk, shinohai , they still gotta finish up their e.g. php logotron! (what, 6+ months nao?)
19:59	curiousd0g	https://news.bitcoin.com/lightning-network-drivechain-bitcoin-scaling/
19:59	asciilifeform	vehehery busy bees. they have, you know, reports to write, about writing reports.
19:59	asciilifeform	curiousd0g: i don't read these and see no reason to
19:59	shinohai	./php-bitcoind -?
20:01	asciilifeform	funnily enuff, i in fact got 'php-fpm'-cum-classic-apache running on the new iron (in prep. for moving my ancient wp there) , worx a++
20:01	asciilifeform	i dun presently have any other phpisms to sit down on it tho
20:04	curiousd0g	asciilifeform: not much to read, it's basically LN in one picture: https://news.bitcoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/screen-shot-2020-02-19-at-11-30-54-696x439.png
20:06	asciilifeform	curiousd0g: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin_scaling.jpg
20:06	shinohai	paster is my only phpism on server, I can proudly say.
20:07	curiousd0g	asciilifeform: what do you think is the best solution to the scaling problem?
20:07	shinohai	LN: Because can't have p2p monies without "muh coffee"
20:07	asciilifeform	curiousd0g: recognizing that the 'problem' doesn't exist.
20:08	asciilifeform	it's a fiction concocted by folx trying to break bitcoin.
20:10	asciilifeform	want tx mined quickly ? look at what the going rate for tx fee is, and suck it up & pay. just like when you go to petrol station, you pay what the neon sign asks, rather than gripe about 'scaling problem' because they aint filling yer tank for phree
20:14	shinohai	https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/fee-calculator/ <<< handy ref, can't recall last time I had tx that didn't confirm in next block.
20:15	asciilifeform	shinohai: i only ever had prolonged tx nondigestion when forgot to turn the knob (like e.g. mp in '15 infamously)
20:15	asciilifeform	trb still has by default fee set to 0
20:16	shinohai	But that was a Chinese miner conspiracy to take down BitBet, mp had nuthin to do with it!
20:16	asciilifeform	funnily enuff, as recently as last yr, observed that if you doublespend the input for a 0fee, reliably get ~that~ tx mined
20:16	asciilifeform	why, i still have nfi
20:17	shinohai	rbf ?
20:17	asciilifeform	(this is supposing the new tx conflicts on 0 other input)
20:17	asciilifeform	rbf ?
20:17	shinohai	"Replace by fee"
20:17	asciilifeform	mno
20:17	asciilifeform	that would be if the ~new~ tx were mined
20:17	asciilifeform	but what you get is the ~original~. a la bbet.
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20:17	shinohai	ah kk
20:18	asciilifeform	this is very easy to reproduce.
20:18	asciilifeform	(the logic behind it, remains unknown to me)
20:19	asciilifeform	i.e. the miner actually picks the one with 0 fee !
20:20	curiousd0g	sounds like a funny bug
20:20	asciilifeform	presently i suspect that it is in fact deliberately malicious logic, in prb, to benefit exchange operators (i.e. when lamer sends a 0fee by mistake, it will in fact go still to the destination, and he is forced to send yet moar) . tho 0 to do w/ bbet, as it still evidently continues
20:21	asciilifeform	( the cosmography here, is that typical lamer receives coin from exchanges, and sends , likewise, to same )
20:22	asciilifeform	the miners, being 1 step above insects, continue to run this idiocy (which actively costs'em dough)
20:23	asciilifeform	if anyone has a diff. hypothesis re this effect, i'd be curious to hear what it is.
20:25	shinohai	lol @ 1 step above insects. But some regularly do smacktarded things, like mine empty blox completely tossing juicy fees out window.
20:25	asciilifeform	this too continues
20:25	asciilifeform	tho not as often as in '15-'17, seems
20:26	asciilifeform	also found that the ancient logic whereby 'old' coin moves gratis, evidently gone
20:26	shinohai	I kinda thought it would happen less often as block reward falls.
20:26	asciilifeform	would've thought they'd abolish empty blox 1st tho
20:28	asciilifeform	see, if someone regularly reported re observations like ~these~, i'd read
20:28	asciilifeform	but 'scalings', other idiocies, let it die in a fire
20:33	asciilifeform	as it is, even very basic things entirely undocumented (publicly) -- e.g., how long does typical tx live in mempools ?
20:34	asciilifeform	( empirically -- in my experiments re 'bbetization' -- no less than 2wks! )
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20:34	snsabot	Logged on 2020-02-20 20:17:49 asciilifeform: but what you get is the ~original~. a la bbet.
20:35	asciilifeform	i.e. the hypothesis that 'miner sits on'em' is not a necessary one
20:37	asciilifeform	at one time asciilifeform was happy to burn coin to e.g. study propagation, behaviour of miners, etc. but no moar : realized that ~nobody gives a millishit re what the answer is.
20:39	asciilifeform	as for prb users, they imho deserve errything that happens to'em. and moar.
20:41	asciilifeform	exactly like e.g. microshit victims. (often -- 1 and the same, at that)
20:53	asciilifeform	re that heathen noad viewer www : funnily enuff, at this particular moment : of 5 self-declared standard trb noadez visible there, 2 live in my rack, and 1 -- on my desk.
20:54	asciilifeform	even supposing that there are yet again this many that aint showing up there, this is imho pretty sad.
20:56	asciilifeform	( it is actually a rubbish www, i.e. specifically will not display any node that doesn't advertise a ver # >= 0.8 . but even so. )

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