#trilema | 2019-12-17

mike_c yeah, as it happens i can tell you what got "gummed up" : you got negrated meanwhile. what, this escaped your notice ?

08:51

Logged on 2018-07-14 12:11:05 mircea_popescu: !!rate mike_c -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

08:51

you shouldn't even be able to speak here ; coincidentally nobody could be arsed to plug the particular hole, it wasn't deemed that high a priorty, but that doesn't mean you have thereby acquired some kinda license to abuse.

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Logged on 2019-12-13 21:59:09 mp_en_viaje: trinque, it's not an emegency, it's end of december. by spring or whatever will be fine.

08:51

i suggest you find a lord willing to speak for you, because i'm not interested in hearing what else you have to say. pick a limber one, too, you sure can use the help (and whoever you are -- make sure you get paid well, and in advance. pantsuits love their zone so much, let them have what they like, it's the least you could do for them).

08:51

now back on the record here : i have absolutely no intention of reinstating his mpex account. that ain't happening ; but that aside i also have no problem paying, in principle. god knows i've been paying loads of these, and what's a hundred btc or whatever, who even cares about pennies like that (right ?).

08:52

however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".

08:52

don't you know, all that is ain't good enough for him, he has all these many other imaginary options that aren't, and in not being "are" all so much better, important, whatever. truly, the republic's like bounty bar wrappers, who even cares, hallucinaria's where it's at.

08:52

years later, when it turns out they really weren't, as it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME, with ornery regularity... then it's suddenly weasel time. we were good friends all along, right ? he just took a nap while we carried, what's the problem.

08:52

Logged on 2019-09-07 03:28:41 mircea_popescu: the matter SIMPLY CAN NOT BE IGNORED : if back in 2017, ie the very month that article came out, joe bloe took out the 20-50k in debt he could and liquidated the 20-50k in assets that he could, converting it to bitcoin at a monthly average $1k, he'd be looking now at either 400k to 1mn in cold hard cash, or else something like 1-1.5mn worth of liquidated assets, if he sold during the peak. (and not AT the peak,

08:52

until that time comes, it's the optionality show on days of his lives channel, no problemo. like for instance he could... what could he do ? he could never miss a day of tv, or jury duty, or sucking dick at the airport, or whatever the fuck else (by which "else" i do mean ~same~) they do in the zone.

08:52

for that he'll get 100 just as soon as he spends 105 and no sooner -- but he'll gladly count that as "getting 100", because pantsuitlogic ;

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Logged on 2019-09-16 05:51:56 snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou

08:52

whereas the 10`000 the republic made him in the same fucking interval out of a piddly 1 he accidentallied in there is... you know, not enough. too much trouble. and also blablabla yadda yadda & "people themselves".

08:52

then he picks up the coin mpex, and the republic, made him, and kept safe for him, and dumps it on the dumbest scam du jour he can find. that'll show everyone! and boy-howdy does it show...

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(in other lulz, apparently http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-oct-2014/ is broken somehow. was gonna link in it, but obviously now will hafta wait.)

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Logged on 2018-06-27 12:30:52 mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows, usg is still churning the same bitcoin dust it got by clicking on faucets back in 2012. first it "sold it" via the usms scam, now it "captured" it and so following.

08:52

so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?

08:52

i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what (priorly seen) nonsense.

08:52

i'll be exploring nis today ; and will be in sofia sometime tomorrow so we can have a proceeding on all these interesting topics no earlier than then.

08:53

an' i shall gladly read the positions of everyone as published in the meanwhile.

09:03

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mp_en_viaje shall bbl.

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10:06

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diana_coman shall be mulling this over for a bit.

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lobbes has acknowledged the need for mulling; will also mull

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15:22

!Qlater tell mike_c Your are cordially invited to GPGgram details of your situation to me or come into #agriculturalsupremacy and get me up to speed on your situation in a logged channel.

15:22

BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

15:22

!Qlater tell mike_c This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.

15:22

BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

15:22

!Qlater tell mike_c I am willing to argue your case. Without your providing more details the cost structure is as follows: 35 BTC up front, 10 BTC to be refunded if my argument on your behalf loses. The best way for you to start negotiating this price downward is starting a conversation about the case in #agriculturalsupremacy

15:22

BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

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BingoBoingo to mull a bit, but has been mulling the potential for situations like this since the http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ negrating waves

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15:53

!Qlater tell mike_c Since the discussion appears ready to happen sooner rather than later I give you the option of sending 35BTC to 15eVXAW7k8uKc5moDFUSc9Y3jmHFAenNXo as a retainer. As it is 2019 I'll assume 35 BTC arriving at the address is yours and not someone else's misfire.

15:53

BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

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Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?

15:56

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BingoBoingo very curious about the prices other members of the Lordship list will offer... If any have the appetite at all for taking on the substantial downside risk of winning...

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16:17

There are good arguments for paying sleepers who slept their way into negratings, but... I am anti-inclined to give them away for free.

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17:08

dorion_road

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955485 << ok, thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to your report monday.

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Logged on 2019-12-16 05:36:02 spyked: !Qlater tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my tasks on the subject. I'm slowly getting back on track this week, aiming to have a report published by monday the 23rd

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dorion_road

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955488 << nice. I've not used the apu1 myself.

17:09

Logged on 2019-12-16 05:40:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954632 <-- I'm certainly looking at that, wanna sample some items for both daily use and testing. the apu1 seems like a good candidate

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20:58

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.

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Logged on 2019-12-17 11:33:27 BingoBoingo: to mull a bit, but has been mulling the potential for situations like this since the http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ negrating waves

20:59

diana_coman: It's a nuanced thing. There is very good reason the proposal I put in channel is structured *exactly* the way it is.

20:59

having refreshed my memory with the concrete dates and multiple missed questions/enquiries has been tending towards very infuriating indeed.

21:00

Infuriating has nothing to do with it.

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BingoBoingo: I get the impression there's some parallel talking here, lol; I wasn't linking my "infuriating" with your proposal, lolz.

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diana_coman: Ah, I thought maybe you were taking the infuriating nature of the things encountered during the research as informative of the price/shape of my proposal.

21:04

no, not at all.

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BingoBoingo: I can see at least from one angle how&why you'd structure the proposal precisely as you did; at any rate though, it's your proposal and your consideration of the issue so if the exact reasoning behind it is to be explained, it will be explained by you, surely.

21:10

I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.

21:12

I can't explain the proposal or the strategy in plaintext unless it is accepted by the one requiring an advocate in the forum.

21:17

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955517 - I can fully see this, usually a sort of "can pick and choose".

21:17

Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:17 mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".

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BingoBoingo: btw my "infuriating" was precisely caused by ^

21:23

diana_coman: In mike_c's case, I am very confident I can make the case that gets his coin back. The argument is grounded in Republican doctrine as I understand it, proceeds from cause, does not import Pantsuitisms, and is incredibly removed from the late ROTA's derpitude.

21:24

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - thing is, even "the negrated" is not an entirely clear thing for me; I could see it as "loss of citizenship hence of rights" at one extreme; it is however just that - one extreme.

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Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?

21:27

I suppose not even the extreme actually, no, hm.

21:27

I don't even see loss of citizenship and therefore rights as an extreme meaning of a negrating, especially at -10. That's more of a -1, -2

21:27

yeah, had just cross-typed.

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21:48

BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.

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21:55

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - ie, I find I simply can't answer this in the form stated.

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Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?

21:59

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955529 - there is certainly this ie being scammed, yes.

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Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what

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http://qntra.net/2019/12/chinese-navy-takes-delivery-of-first-domestically-built-aircraft-carrier/ << Qntra -- Chinese Navy Takes Delivery Of First Domestically Built Aircraft Carrier

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lobbes

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)

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