#trilema | 2019-12-02

Logged on 2019-11-29 14:58:43 mircea_popescu: !!seen billymg

00:18

evidently :D

00:18

billymg

i've been following along as much as possible, still keeping the same timeline for the actual transition

00:19

billymg

heh, yeah, it's been kicking my ass kinda, but in a good way (learning a lot at least)

~ 4 hours ~

04:19

feedbot

http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/12/workplan-december-2019/ << Krankendenken -- Workplan: December 2019

~ 11 hours 41 minutes ~

16:00

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BingoBoingo to resume crawling tomorrow. Today I've got to reply to the folks who replied to my weekend solicitations this morning.

~ 15 minutes ~

16:16

in other news, we find lobbes 's sql format is not great, seeing how it's just the plain mysql dump ; whereas obviously enough the ID column will conflict so it has to be dropped.

16:17

moreover, the format favoured for this job is the one-article-per-insert thing so i can publish them at short intervals like before

16:17

so this'll take longer still ;/

16:28

then i was going to say something like : lobbes, can you get me the result of <? ?> and give out php code to dump directly, but I notice things such as "<br><table>" as article headings, instead of the correct <table style="font-size:1em;width:580px;">" and so i assume the middle <td> doesn't carry the required class="breakup" either.

16:29

seems maybe for the sake of simplicity i could just process the source logs ; but then i'll end up with a broken bot when deployed huh.

16:38

so instead : hey lobbes, please fix these and give me a one-line-per-post dump, formatted like "INSERT INTO tril_posts(id, post_author, post_status, post_type, post_name, post_date, post_date_gmt, post_title, post_content); INSERT INTO tril_term_relationships (object_id, term_taxonomy_id) VALUES ("articleid-1", 44);", wheren the ids start with 90800 and the time is now+3 hours whenever you start doing it.

16:38

ima try putting the first few in and we see (i hope for eg you do the sed 's%"%\\"%g' | sed 's%*%\&ast;%g' escapings, yes ?)

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17:02

So, apparently every datacenter in Vzla is fully staffed. For being fully staffed just about every datacenter in Vzla is happy to offer contact information for the folks who make hiring decisions at datacenters in other countries, mostly Colombia.

17:03

Educated Venezuelans just might be the most helpful people in the Americas.

17:04

Meanwhile in near virality and Uruguayos not ever leaving their own homes http://archive.is/AigEd

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18:38

lobbes, (adjusted and) answer't your comment.

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20:13

jurov

!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=lj5I

20:13

deedbot

accepted: 1

20:21

meanwhile in other lulz, http://archive.is/zK4he

20:26

5GB of placeholder, what a world

20:30

you can imagine what joys these "trusted platforms" bring to binary distribution.

20:32

Last I looked into it they brought at a minimum an additional ~GB of RAM consumption and ~2-50% of CPU utilization as a "Don't copy this floppy" deterrent that forces everyone to download the version with that shit cut out.

20:37

In other joys of the 4 month transition until the new government comes in March 1st... The outgoing government is declining to do their annual inflation based adjustments to the various rates charged by the state monopolies... after the price of beef at the carnicerías climbed ~70% for "asado de tira" this year. Backdoor welfare as only dollar economies pretending to be their own peso economies can manage.

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21:02

heh

21:02

"coming soon to a walmart near you"

21:08

Lol, this country doesn't have an actual walmart. It has small chains of "hypermercados" run by board members of Walmart and Walmart-likes that they use to play around and learn more about this sorta cattle troughing.

21:09

North American Walmarteers own Tienda Inglesa. Euro equivalents own Disco, Devoto, and Geant.

21:11

It is a small sadness that it looks like I'll be leaving Uruguay just as it starts to get interesting, but... the local vandals don't seem to have discovered how to make "ninja rocks" outta ceramic insulators.

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22:26

diana_coman

!!up dorion_road

22:26

deedbot

dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.

22:26

ty diana_coman

22:26

!!up dorion_road

22:26

deedbot

dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.

22:29

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953812 << thanks for the background spyked. I agree we're at the phase of figuring out what is really needed.

22:29

Logged on 2019-11-29 03:43:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo

22:29

Logged on 2019-11-29 03:51:10 spyked: dorion_road: so I'm sort of a "master of none", I guess. but in general, I'm interested in doing any infrastructure work required to get a tmsr-os up, I think I can handle it, with probably some ramp-up time to learn the code. imho needs figuring out what's really needed tho, e.g. from your list, what work is required for bootloaders/biosen and wh

22:30

Did my reply to your comment clarify the requirements for owning the boot process ?

22:30

The starting point is for the bios and bootloader code to be owned by someone under V. Coreboot, LILO and GRUB (for EFI support) come under V to be beat into human use.

22:31

I don't yet know exactly how they're to be beat, that's for the owner to investigate, report back on the cost/benefits of various decisions and publish his vpatches.

22:34

diana_coman, mircea_popescu I replied to your comments on my tmsr-os article. Apologies for the latency, atypical meat space festivities took more of my weekend than normal.

22:35

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-01#1954016 << ok, thanks for the update. please provide your updated expected date of delivery as soon as it becomes clearer to you what the situation is. as mircea_popescu notes, perhaps you turn up something cool.

22:35

Logged on 2019-12-01 16:57:17 bvt: dorion_road: i have discovered some WTF??? sort of bug in the kernel that manifests only outside of the VM. i will continue debugging it tomorrow, but this means that the writeup will appear only after it is fixed; sorry for this delay.

22:37

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953863 << thanks, I applied diana_coman's fix.

22:37

Logged on 2019-11-29 14:49:29 mircea_popescu: dorion, it'd prolly be a good idea to take your own trackbacks out of the (independently --VERY SHORT) recent comments toolbar. i can't tell what's going on

22:40

I am working on a work plan for myself for the next week(s). I will publish as an article this week when ready.

22:43

you don't specifically want both lilo and grub, or do you ?

22:47

mircea_popescu grub may be required if EFI systems are supported. I don't know if lilo is worth saving or if grub for everything is the better choice.

22:48

afaik everyone who uses lilo loves lilo and everyone who uses grub loves grub. allegedly the former's more fully featured while the later's more narrowly construed.

22:51

I can see it, I think I read about lilo in the logs, then have stuck with since following the gentoo handbook a few years back, apart from one public toilet efi laptop where I went with grub.

22:52

anyway, the efi/uefi problem is actually looming the largest here.

22:54

myeah. if Intel decides the PC architecture is no longer the PC architecture, OS maker has to bear the burden ?

22:55

the nsa is firmly entrenched in controlling that sweet, sweet path to diff power analysis, they've glued it thoroughly with all the broken glass of "energy efficiency" faux ourdemocracy preoccupations, it strikes me as one of the things that'll only dislodge once the emperor himself is rapemeat.

22:56

jfw, the ideal solution here'd be a de-uefi-izing dongle.

22:57

but in any case, the item's probably the most contundent impediment to sanity in computong

22:57

But what do you put in its place? Reversing boards was tough enough as I gather even before the standard fritz chips

22:58

myeah.

22:59

i dunno, i'd rather this didn't end up with a tmsr motherboard.

23:00

in any case, my point being, this whole uefi thing needs some serious mapping.

23:07

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jfw opens up the spec PDF he had lying on HDD, is reminded it's 2500 pages

23:07

hanbot

diana_coman i'm getting that fun ol' "please fill the required fields (name, email)" error on attempting to comment on your latest. did something change since lastcomment?

23:19

there;s at least one major separation in the uefi latrine (plenty others, of course, the thing's fractally broken), which fortunately occured just about that moment in time when intel chips became thoroughly useless. so not supporting uefi-2, "must have to work" is relatively a small loss, as it goes with the shitty spycore intel chips anyways, which nobody wants (though might be tolerated in some roles for cheapness' sake

23:19

). uefi-1 however is just this jumble of works-with-or-without, maybe-so-maybe-not, up to indeed about 2015 or so.

23:19

getting concrete details on this partition would certainly help, as a starting point.

23:22

i don't really know anyone who both a) is technically literate and b) thinks post 2015 intel chips are actually worth money, as it happens. a situation eerily reminiscent of every other socialism's progress, late sovok folk similarily didn't think late sovok artefacts worth deploying.

23:24

Are the post-2013 AMDs any better? 'platform security processor' to keep up with the competition right?

23:25

prolly just less documented equally worse, nfi.

23:26

the noted split in UEFI severity is a point.

23:28

Where do anti-good ideas come from? They come from misguided attempts to do the impossible - which is another way of saying "trying to ignore reality."

23:28

not bad, huh.

23:31

fundamentally true, just about everything wrong with the world is the downstream of "well meaning" margarets trying to bring dead babies back to life and such nonsense.

23:32

I was remembering this phrase but not where from; turns out my own link, hah. Which pretty sure I found via the logs.

23:35