#trilema | 2019-11-29

Logged on 2019-11-26 23:23:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh

03:41

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953702 << I like how this is shaping up

03:41

Logged on 2019-11-27 18:52:46 dorion_road: On the ownership front, so far we have bvt on the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.

03:41

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953761 << why ty

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Logged on 2019-11-28 17:36:35 nicoleci: lobbes, nice tagline 'Mangled turd every single day' lol

03:41

in other news, I've got the blog echo complete. Two ways to quote: 1) can use the log line reference link 2) or use a standard #select; bot will read out what is in the "<span id="select">" tags.

03:41

what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016

03:55

mod6, trinque or other TRB scholars: has there been progress toward raw transaction RPCs since http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/2018-April/000297.html ? I've written a getrawtransaction (in my queue to publish) but am in need of a sendrawtransaction for a split wallet I'm working on ( http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/ )

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04:09

Or if anyone's interested in taking that on, hit me up.

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07:24

spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by the looks of it)

07:27

diana_coman, it was down until just now. and no, it doesn't guarantee any order, though that's prolly an easy fix, should push them to the queue in the other order.

07:29

spyked: comments are numbered, yes; and ah, I hadn't noticed it was down.

07:30

well, it doesn't look at comment numbering or anything. also, it doesn't make any distinction between comments and posts, it's just feed entries, as per the spec

07:31

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diana_coman goes to re-read spec.

07:31

what happened is that the comments prolly got queued as they came, then they got sent in the reverse order.

07:35

spyked: ah, so you mean that the trouble is just that the message queue is lifo instead of fifo really?

07:35

the spec doesn't say more than "queue" there.

07:36

though it does use pop/push so yeah, more like stack.

07:36

any specific reason for that ?

07:37

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo

07:37

Logged on 2019-11-27 14:59:17 dorion_road: spyked what area(s) most interest you and you think you're a best fit for ?

07:37

rking stacks.

07:37

diana_coman, no, not really. just didn't add the extra list reverse in the right place.

07:38

so I'll add that bug to the todo list for fixing

07:40

thanks!

07:44

dorion_road: so I'm sort of a "master of none", I guess. but in general, I'm interested in doing any infrastructure work required to get a tmsr-os up, I think I can handle it, with probably some ramp-up time to learn the code. imho needs figuring out what's really needed tho, e.g. from your list, what work is required for bootloaders/biosen and wh

07:44

Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.

07:44

y?

07:44

diana_coman, np, thanks for reporting the issue

07:51

aaand should be fixed. will test next time notifications queue up like that

07:54

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spyked bbl, finishing what's now grown into a humongous cuntoo write-up

08:07

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diana_coman will gladly read the humongous cuntoo write-up.

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11:25

jfw, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/#comment-69 << do you understsnd what we're talking about ?

11:26

!!v 23B8488ED44C6D0D47B409A7540E6E5CB02700AF0157F03AEABC3FA1DC835C09

11:27

trinque, weirdly, deedbot never said anything in response to me verifying http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953791 ; wasn't it supposed to ?

11:27

Logged on 2019-11-28 21:30:44 deedbot: Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=FKiR

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mircea_popescu had some testing in #trilema-lobbes, fucken beautiful. btw lobbes, you intent to implement the square brackets convention ?

11:34

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953799 << mind that you want a post id > 100k. trilema is in the 90`000s atm. and also, how are we gonna handle the mar 2016 - today log dump ?

11:34

Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016

11:35

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953802 << if it sees more than one new element it reports them in the order seen, which is counter-historical because for some reason rss is newmost on top and obviously irc is newmost on bottom. imo this needs a fix, have the list reversed on feedbot end.

11:35

Logged on 2019-11-29 03:31:50 diana_coman: spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by the looks of it)

11:36

it's been consistently doing this during [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-24][logday[.

11:37

oops

11:42

lobbes, thinking about it, this is actually just about mature enough i should forward sql dump and filesystem huh ?

11:46

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953823 << eexcellent.

11:46

Logged on 2019-11-29 04:01:52 spyked: bbl, finishing what's now grown into a humongous cuntoo write-up

11:50

mircea_popescu, I pushed a fix to feedbot, lessee how it works. I expect it should send the notifications in the correct order next time

11:56

nice. me too tbh

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15:16

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953829 << glad you like it :) And yes, I was thinking of implementing the square-bracket convention. It just seems incomplete without it.

15:16

Logged on 2019-11-29 11:35:36 mircea_popescu: had some testing in #trilema-lobbes, fucken beautiful. btw lobbes, you intent to implement the square brackets convention ?

15:16

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953830 << this is a point re: ids. It may make sense for me to first just import your trilema dump and then import my archives

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Logged on 2019-11-29 11:37:28 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953799 << mind that you want a post id > 100k. trilema is in the 90`000s atm. and also, how are we gonna handle the mar 2016 - today log dump ?

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Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016

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lobbes bbl in ~6 hrs

15:17

lobbes, except if you do that, i'd rather do it on trilema.com first

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16:09

feedbot

http://thetarpit.org/2019/assorted-notes-on-bootstrapping-cuntoo << The Tar Pit -- Assorted notes on bootstrapping Cuntoo

16:21

spyked: my comment is waiting your moderation.

16:24

and apparently the bits and pieces known/sorted about this are not that easy to find or something, hmmm; esp the paths issue was discussed and sorted in the logs + documented at http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/14/a-working-cuntoo-install-on-amd-fx-8350-with-script/

16:27

diana_coman, approved and ty for the link. I knew there was _some_ discussion on that, but I could not for the life of me find it at the time.

16:30

hm, looking now at it, there doesn't seem to be a pingback on trinque's article from mine despite my linking it; weird.

16:45

spyked: answered with one more link.

16:53

from what I understand, it's not possible to compile Emacs using Musl << bwahahaha what the fuck

16:58

aaaanyways. my chief takeaways from spyked 's article are that 1) a multi-gb os is a joke, no matter how you turn this. it is deeply unclear to me 1mb is a defensible amt of space for the os to occupy,

17:00

but in any case multi-gb things can not be called operating systems nomore than run of the mill failboats can be called buttplugs. yes, even if you end up butt-impaled on one somehow ;

17:01

and 2) really gotta genesis, both the script so people DO have a sane way to make edits, and the sources, so we don't depend on randotards keeping whatever software package online.

17:01

this 2 really goes all the way back to the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important than any other turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.

17:03

BingoBoingo

In pantsuit fail, spammers seem to have captured Central Methodist University's servers

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mircea_popescu now off to read spyked 's "how and why systemd has won" 2014 piece, kinda curious how 5 years aged it.

17:04

tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.

17:04

yeah huh.

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18:42

dorion, it'd prolly be a good idea to take your own trackbacks out of the (independently --VERY SHORT) recent comments toolbar. i can't tell what's going on

18:43

yeah, that default is annoying, not sure *why* are they there by default

18:45

because in pre-trilema world articles ~never referenced anything, so nobody understood what a trackback even is.

18:46

in the original idiot prototype trackbacks function as a sort of assonaut social interaction, the transcription online of the weird talking into the air eyes averted thing they do.

18:47

at the rate of one trackback each death of a bishop's the bug was never observed.

18:50

I guess so; but I meant it more as in why default in the genesised mpwp; anyways, perhaps billymg makes a patch to take those out of there and to put also trackbacks/pingbacks as last in comments (I've fixed this on my blog only a few days ago but by default they mix in comments too)

18:51

prolly slipped in, i guess.

18:51

!!seen billymg

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deedbot

2019/11/07 02:34:06 <billymg> mircea_popescu: yup, the plan remains, january will be the time

18:52

diana_coman, this could be a patch, no ?

19:06

mircea_popescu: this what?

19:07

the fix for sorting them at the end

19:07

ah, could be but if I get to that, might as well fix the recent comments too or it ain't worth the gpged, lol.

19:13

fine, let me pack both then.

19:19

:p

19:30

BingoBoingo

!!invoice jurov 0.0049 postage (675+750 pesos)/37 dolares/7750 BTC

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deedbot

Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=WS3_

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BingoBoingo

!!v 94B78EA080C693DD1713CA3557D9204C7CFEFE4C03AC417CAE00208D9D7CF611

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deedbot

Invoiced jurov 0.0049 << postage (675+750 pesos)/37 dolares/7750 BTC

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20:13

feedbot

http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/29/comments-filtering-for-mp-wp/ << Ossa Sepia -- Comments Filtering for MP-WP

20:14

so in v time-costs and all that: changes took ~10 minutes including figuring out wtf to change (because I'm no expert in either mpwp or php) and then the rest up to 1 hour was making vpatch + test-press + write-up; pshaw.

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;/

21:03

do we have a problem there, is it ?

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bvt

mircea_popescu: even bigger problem for kernel http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/?b=Pressing&e=though#select

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23:05

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953825 - I think I do now: the ideal node would be able to readily list outputs and thus balances, and perhaps also history, for any given list of addresses, statelessly. Like a block explorer that didn't suck.

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Logged on 2019-11-29 07:32:01 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/#comment-69 << do you understsnd what we're talking about ?

23:08

The necessary index would be large if history is included, perhaps on the order of the existing ones (blkindex.dat), but omitting it strikes me as rather a premature optimization by satoshi.

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(or whoever - I'm unclear on the early history there.)

23:13

jfw, after all, if q = a + b and p = a + c and r = b + c then q + p - r = 2a. if as are addresses and qs are wallets, one needn't ~declare~ his wallet to count his money.

23:13

this is lubby, at the root of it. look through the log for it, and then read the math. but it's not just math ; it's one of those places where philosophy masquerades as science.

23:14

Luby / LT codes? Got a paper on that waiting in a nearby pile, heh

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aha.

23:15

bvt, yes, but this was also deliberate -- i suspect current v toolset could well benefit from some hardcore usage to iron out inefficiencies, wrinkles and crumples.

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mircea_popescu: nifty, thanks. Will see if I can accomodate on this pass; otherwise what I'd be working toward is a wallet that's still "declared" but with keys not accessible to node.

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