#trilema | 2019-11-26

01:17

best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.

~ 16 minutes ~

01:34

BingoBoingo

It's looking like I probably should have started the search with Asia... Fastest non-autoresponder response yet (notably faster than when I approached the place for a quote)

01:36

BingoBoingo

16 minutes from my solicitation to: "Let's schedule a conference call. What time works for you?"

01:39

BingoBoingo

I am suspecting Asia prefers Gringo employees to gringo entrepreneurs/business partners.

~ 2 hours 57 minutes ~

04:37

lobbes

fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec

04:37

ericbot

Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.

04:37

ericbot

Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me

04:38

lobbes

anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh

~ 2 hours 56 minutes ~

07:35

diana_coman

BingoBoingo: oh hey, how did the conference call go then?

~ 59 minutes ~

08:34

feedbot

http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/ << bvt's backtrace -- Yet more thoughts about TMSR OS: OS-Making Exam-Taking

08:45

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore

08:45

ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-25 18:40:23 BingoBoingo: also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.

08:47

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 <-- actually I've been getting some more intimate knowledge of cuntoo in the last coupla weeks, now I have a write-up I need to do on that... a couple of them even.

08:47

ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.

08:47

*

spyked goes to read bvt's fresh article on this

~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~

10:17

bvt

spyked: ftr, this is just a brain dump, i'm trying to evolve my own understanding of the problem

~ 2 hours 47 minutes ~

13:04

01:17	trinque	best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
		~ 16 minutes ~
01:34	BingoBoingo	It's looking like I probably should have started the search with Asia... Fastest non-autoresponder response yet (notably faster than when I approached the place for a quote)
01:36	BingoBoingo	16 minutes from my solicitation to: "Let's schedule a conference call. What time works for you?"
01:39	BingoBoingo	I am suspecting Asia prefers Gringo employees to gringo entrepreneurs/business partners.
		~ 2 hours 57 minutes ~
04:37	lobbes	fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec
04:37	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
04:37	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
04:38	lobbes	anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh
		~ 2 hours 56 minutes ~
07:35	diana_coman	BingoBoingo: oh hey, how did the conference call go then?
		~ 59 minutes ~
08:34	feedbot	http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/ << bvt's backtrace -- Yet more thoughts about TMSR OS: OS-Making Exam-Taking
08:45	spyked	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
08:45	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 18:40:23 BingoBoingo: also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.
08:47	spyked	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 <-- actually I've been getting some more intimate knowledge of cuntoo in the last coupla weeks, now I have a write-up I need to do on that... a couple of them even.
08:47	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
08:47	*	spyked goes to read bvt's fresh article on this
		~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~
10:17	bvt	spyked: ftr, this is just a brain dump, i'm trying to evolve my own understanding of the problem
		~ 2 hours 47 minutes ~
13:04	mircea_popescu	trinque, not the end of the world, we see how it goes.
13:04	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, that sounds pretty great, actually. what's wrong with asia after all, they have tiny weird looking chicks but i guess one can always rubberband a coupla together and fuck in between the bellies. vaseline conquers all!
		~ 17 minutes ~
13:22	mircea_popescu	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953550 << because we're trying to not be / get out of being in the business of dicking around.
13:22	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-26 00:45:11 lobbes: anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh
13:24	mircea_popescu	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << the thing you're quoting doesn't match the structure of a thing that may be quoted as the basis for "i understood" in this context, because it's the innard of a loop rather than the return of the level-adequate conditional block.
13:24	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec
13:24	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
13:24	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
13:25	mircea_popescu	conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.
13:28	mircea_popescu	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953553 << countervailingly, the way i see it is that insecurity flipped once the generations changed ; the generation outgoing with the sept that never ended had a deeply rooted fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy that manifested in a version of neoprotestant modesty whereby by the time a program reached version 2 something it had passed through three hands or m
13:28	mircea_popescu	ore over two decades and nobody was ever gonna make a 3 again.
13:28	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-26 04:52:14 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
13:29	mircea_popescu	whereas for the generation ingoing with the sept that never ended, their exactly just as deeply rooted precisely equal fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy manifested as version number inflation, with which printing press to pay off on the hopes&dreams of a team of retards. simple monetization of the sacred cows of the previous generation, really, which is how neoprotestantism ever works.
13:33	mircea_popescu	"your two hours worth of nothing in particular still make you just as good as say that cuck derp dad's age -- think, he never made a major version revision, but you did! you're so cool...!!!"
13:33	ossabot	Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
13:46	mircea_popescu	which puts the whole "power ranger" idiocy in context : "we'll pay you in feelers!"
13:46	mircea_popescu	(among teh great advantages of ye log import : sql search for "power" "rangers" now yields 94 rows in set, all of the Forum logs for X format. yippee! i kinda do vaguely regret however not bothering to immortalize the original gushing fan on tardstalk, "oh, you guys are like power rangers!!!" in excited response to the perceived great acumen displayed by hearn fucking up bitcoin while everyone else was watching manga)
13:47	mircea_popescu	but anyways, a lot of this "it's just numbers" attitude since the innumerate have been "no kid left behind"'d into everyone's processes. then once cats finally join the fray as fully franchised theirdemocracy voters &c, it'll be "whatever, it's just calendars" and so on.
13:59	spyked	mircea_popescu, that inflation isn't limited just to version numbers tho. those numbers are just the tip of the iceberg hiding underneath a whole lot of stupid changes. e.g. gcc 4.7 to 4.9 had quite a few changes (among others) to default flags, admittedly. but 4.9 to 6, ffs that broke compilation for a lot of projects.
14:00	mircea_popescu	of course not, indeed so!
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16:17	BingoBoingo	diana_coman: Logistics between GMT-3 and apparent GMT+8 are still being arranged
16:17	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Asia just seems a lot more alien than anywhere else.
		~ 20 minutes ~
16:38	mircea_popescu	it does.
16:38	mircea_popescu	bvt, in moderation
16:49	BingoBoingo	I suppose Asian proficiency in English can't be any worse than Uruguay's alleged "Best in Latin America, though no one knows what the letters sound like" English
		~ 54 minutes ~
17:43	feedbot	http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/26/one-month-on-stans-rockchip-requested-review/ << Ossa Sepia -- One Month on Stan's Rockchip - Requested Review
		~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~
18:58	BingoBoingo	!!up dorion_road
18:58	deedbot	dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
19:01	dorion_road	ty BingoBoingo.
19:02	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << yeah, to start. let's see how productive 10 hours a week can be made and re-evaluate after we gather feedback.
19:02	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 16:03:55 jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
19:03	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953494 << thank you, that I can understand and take responsibility for.
19:03	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 17:18:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953458 << nothing new or different, same old thing management always was. write a plan, get people to ~commit~ to parts, chase the commitments, reschedule as needed and so on.
19:04	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953496 << fugit irreparabile tempus.
19:04	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 17:19:40 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953464 << just don't fucking circumvectamur amore about it, it's how all these other kids died.
19:05	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953498 << Yes, we have to reconsider how cvasi-corp proceeds from here to integrate the work.
19:05	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 17:20:37 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << well, your cvasi-corp was working on this anyway, wasn;t it.
19:07	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953501 << well, the gcc, busybox, musl static, et cetera work you've done with Gales are all of interest to the conversation and decision making from my view.
19:07	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 18:02:15 jfw: mircea_popescu: a Linux distro, yes, though my understanding was that what we built there was too narrow in hardware and application support to be of more general interest
19:12	diana_coman	jfw should publish all that Gales work and docs too, for sure.
19:14	dorion_road	diana_coman I agree.
19:19	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 << Thank you for the luck wishes. What pace of engagement do you see yourself able to maintain over say, a 30-60 day stretch ?
19:19	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
19:20	dorion_road	I understand the "what you're engaging" part is important to know in deciding, but for the sake of sharing an estimate that it's work you're interested in.
19:22	dorion_road	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << I need to update myself on the livecd/usb work thread.
19:22	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec
19:22	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
19:22	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
19:23	dorion_road	lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
19:23	dorion_road	outstanding and useful*
19:29	diana_coman	!!up dorion_road
19:29	deedbot	dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
19:33	jfw	dorion_road, diana_coman: we're in clear agreement that I should write it up then; think I should make that a priority for this week?
19:36	diana_coman	jfw: after the work on the wallet though, no/
19:36	diana_coman	?
19:40	dorion_road	jfw wallet is top priority this week. can you get a start on your Gales writing as part of the time you have allocated for writing.
19:41	jfw	diana_coman: that needs to be done, yes; I suppose I'd have to do this as my morning writing, if you'd be ok with that
19:41	jfw	(as dorion_road suggests)
19:42	diana_coman	jfw: yes, it's ok.
19:42	jfw	alright
19:44	dorion_road	cool.
19:46	dorion_road	lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
19:48	mircea_popescu	this chan just became an utter pleasure to read.
19:49	dorion_road	good evening mircea_popescu
19:49	*	jfw waves
19:49	mircea_popescu	yee
19:59	diana_coman	!!up dorion_road
19:59	BingoBoingo	!!up dorion_road
19:59	deedbot	dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
19:59	deedbot	dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
19:59	diana_coman	lol
20:00	diana_coman	!!v 74578400326E684289FB746F45D5709218ADB733D509CA2E115FD2E5953392C2
20:01	deedbot	diana_coman paid danielpbarron invoice 3
20:01	dorion_road	ty BingoBoingo and diana_coman
20:01	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I don't know if I've been this strictly encouraging to read since the War of Life debut.
20:02	mircea_popescu	o hell yeah, remember those days ?
20:02	dorion_road	I will make it clear here that I judge trinque's technical knowledge and experience to be much greater than my own, from both programming and sys admin perspective.
20:04	dorion_road	For fundamental strategy decisions such as the static linking knot, I'm really going to have to lean heavily on the technical expertise here.
20:04	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-13 18:16:19 bvt: re tmsr os - i am curious what work plan trinque will come up with, esp wrt static linking.
20:04	ossabot	Logged on 2019-11-12 17:07:58 jfw: I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so
20:04	mircea_popescu	that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.
20:05	mircea_popescu	a project's in some trouble when management's technically above the actual engineers for chrissakes. and yes, the whole point of even having a republic is fine high escalation, so as to be able to deal well with insanely difficult rare problems.
20:05	dorion_road	mircea_popescu thanks, making it explicit since I'm new here.
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22:53	feedbot	http://qntra.net/2019/11/turkey-begins-testing-s-400-systems-us-still-pissy-over-being-spurned/ << Qntra -- Turkey Begins Testing S-400 Systems, US Still Pissy Over Being Spurned
22:56	lobbes	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953567 << sorry. I'll refrain from derailing my trains of thought into the forum going forward
22:56	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-26 13:29:01 mircea_popescu: conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.
22:56	lobbes	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953607 << indeed still outstanding. I'll aim to get a proper estimation in hours for that work out by Saturday
22:56	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
22:56	lobbes	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good to me. The mp-wp bot needs to be completed/delivered this week (which I will have some extra time to do so due to upcoming US holidays). Once I get that and the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.
22:56	ericbot	Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
22:57	lobbes	and with that, I'm going back to the workbench for said mp-wp bot.
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23:17	BingoBoingo	In new developments, next week will be meeting with someone from a datacenter firm that keeps POPs all all over South America when he hits Montevideo.
23:19	BingoBoingo	Lead from expanding the search to non-Equinix, non-NTT chains
23:20	mircea_popescu	lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh
23:21	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, sweet!
23:22	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm trying to get that number up to 500. Sticking with the small got a lot of the same dumb silence I met in 2017.
23:22	mircea_popescu	aha
23:24	BingoBoingo	Asia's delivered some fast, but dumb. I am beginning to suspect folks with heads in the DC space may have moved to doing the POP in a bunch of other people's buildings thing Pizarro was intended to grow into.
23:26	mircea_popescu	myeah.
23:28	BingoBoingo	Actually owning, provisioning the Datacenter more of a Burlington sorta industry.
23:35	BingoBoingo	Anyways, they aren't paricularly looking to get more hands in Uruguay, but they are interested enough to have a get to know you sit down. I'm emphasizing my readiness to locate while moderating my expectations.