#trilema | 2019-11-10

so did http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 simply decay into the game of awkwardly waiting for each other ?

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Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.

08:27

they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.

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diana_coman will bbl

08:31

suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.

08:31

none of this alf-like bullcrap.

08:34

and in general : the commitment to escaping management is by very far the best predictor of failure history has yet revealed ; with disavowal a major compounding factor. the "being an engineer" who "is not aware" he's deliberately fucking the records etc is absolutely never going to amount to anything (and his inept hindbrain voice whispering sweet nothings in the vein of "oh, challenge accepted", "nobody can know that" an

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d assorted brainshit being the principal reason why he won't).

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meanwhile in great inca lulz : "In 1929, he borrowed £2,000 (equivalent to £104,247 at 2011 prices) from a patient, William Mawhood, and bought an 18-room house called Kent Lodge, in Trinity Trees (then known as Seaside Road), a select address.".

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this thing.

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now how the fuck is 20k 1920s pounds "equivalent to 100k in 2011 prices", considering that in 2011 you can not even buy, FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, that 18 bedroom house there ; all that's available is this "7 bedroom" eyesore, for over half a million pounds.

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even leaving aside the ~select address~ problem, there's nowhere in england such a thing as a select address can be had in 2020, as opposed to 1920 : the minimum price for the human dwelling'd have to be ~an interpolated~ (for lack of actual such items on the market) 1.5 to 2 million pounds.

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unless, of course, one realises that what passes for "a bedroom" in 2020 is the 1920s notion of a closet.

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so no, 2k in 1920 very much isn't 100k in 2011 prices. it's AT LEAST A MILLION ; and "2011 prices" is purely an academic point anyway, because the sort of thing one could trivially buy in 1920 ~DOES NOT EXIST~, and therefore can't be bought for any amount of these 2020 "money" that very well fucking aren't either money or anything remotely like it.

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the only possible equivalent of 1920s £1 today is notional "infinity", about the same as the market price of a two inch tall naked fairy chained to a fuckstick.

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spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950364 <-- http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950234 ; also, I'd still like some feedback re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950228 ; is the new deedbot functionality still on the roadmap, or...?

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Logged on 2019-11-10 04:26:20 mp_en_viaje: so did http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 simply decay into the game of awkwardly waiting for each other ?

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Logged on 2019-11-08 03:03:38 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950067 <-- I'd really like to contribute to that, the only reason I didn't do it thus far being that there was always a pile of other shit to do

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Logged on 2019-11-08 03:00:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#

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10:39

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950368 - I'm all for it.

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Logged on 2019-11-10 04:36:49 mp_en_viaje: suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950374 - eh, nice rant and fine on money & figures; still, there are way nicer houses than that shit; "terraced" stands for shit around here but the original thing wasn't classed as terraced either so not sure why pick on that example.

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Logged on 2019-11-10 04:42:57 mp_en_viaje: now how the fuck is 20k 1920s pounds "equivalent to 100k in 2011 prices", considering that in 2011 you can not even buy, FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, that 18 bedroom house there ; all that's available is this "7 bedroom" eyesore, for over half a million pounds.

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mp_en_viaje i kinda suspect bad writing in your excerpt..."he" borrowed 2k and bought, dun mean the thing bought was capped at 2k, who borrows the ENTIRE amount they need for purchasing real estate?!

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diana_coman wtf does terraced even mean, as in it has one? or it's been built on a hill and spreads itself like rice paddies?! lol

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diana_coman, i picked it because it happened to be recorded.

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hanbot, this guy.

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kinda interesting historical character, gp and suspected (though never proven) serial killer, had coupla hundred patients die on him in a decade, of which the vast majority willed him the majority of theit estate.

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hanbot: I had quite a mindfuck at first re "terraced" ; from practical experience, it seems to mean "row of houses sharing walls" really; no idea where "terrace" comes into that.

11:28

diana_coman, i do not believe the nicer houses theory. if there's a 3 level dozen+ bedroom house anywhere, it's going to be ensconced in fifty hides' land, not on a town street.

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and there are 2 main types, with the victorian terraces the shittiest thing possible (they were built specifically as cheap houses for newly "not-servant-but-worker".

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which is my point here, i want a house in town not a house in the pretentious wilderness of "civilised" england

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TOWN. it means things. things such as no uppity morons, everyone on the street can read greek, etc. town, you know, urbanity.

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they do manage at times to make communist flats seem great by comparison.

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mp_en_viaje that sounds like a great place, this town, let's go.

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mp_en_viaje: well, that urbanity doesn't exist anywhere currently, sure.

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diana_coman oh i see, it's code for not-really-a-house

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thus therefore, the money of today isn't money either. because that's what money is predicated on, having a town somewhere issuing it.

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when mining colony issues it's own i-cant-believe-its-not-money scrip, the thing's called... scrip

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hanbot: quite; I suppose the "spreading like rice terraces " could at least be related too, lolz.

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"what can it buy you ?" "umm... nothing anyone'd ever want"

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re terraces : the famous mr bultitude dwelled on terraces-something. it was 1880s lingo for nouveau rich dwellings, actually.

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hanbot lived on "wilshire terrace", once. it was a hole in a concrete box with a street so narrow turning around in the car was 12 points, minimum.

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not to sully the grandeur of Mr. Bultitude

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those must be my "other type" ie still shitty but not as shitty as the other; one the nouveau rich and the other the nouveau poor, lolz.

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lol

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i can see the nouveau poor having to add a d, for the past tense, to most of their things

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terrace-->terraced

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lol! fwiw there is also the predictable "hierarchy" within the shit with "end of terrace" being a degree of pride and so on.

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premium-nothing-anyone'd-ever-want

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pretty much life as a micropayments crappy mmorpg, you can "get premium" consisting of... same-crap maybe slightly earlier than you'd be getting it anyway, or packaged in a different color or such

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but in the end, what you get is what you get, socialism only has one set.

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ftr http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948686 item was actually http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-12-14#1751567 rather than the feb item there quoted, i discover preparing the smg report.

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Logged on 2019-10-30 07:17:27 mp_en_viaje: do you remember that instance i actually forbade your talking to alf ?

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Logged on 2017-12-14 13:45:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950377 << There seems to be a soft consensus that had the derps everywhere stop and normalize everything at "2011 prices/dollars" for some reason. This is an endemic problem with the inter-LATAM comparative graphs. "Oh, we include data 1990 through 2018 but normalize to 2011 dollars"

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Logged on 2019-11-10 04:43:05 mp_en_viaje: so no, 2k in 1920 very much isn't 100k in 2011 prices. it's AT LEAST A MILLION ; and "2011 prices" is purely an academic point anyway, because the sort of thing one could trivially buy in 1920 ~DOES NOT EXIST~, and therefore can't be bought for any amount of these 2020 "money" that very well fucking aren't either money or anything remotely like it.

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feedbot

http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-statement-on-q3-2019/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG) Statement on Q3 2019

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hanbot, lol, present yourself. you mean introduce ?

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stand and deliver! :D

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keks

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for the logs: he's talking about http://thewhet.net/my-channel-trilema-hanbot/ fwiw --i don't think feedbot picks up new blog *pages*

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hanbot: thanks, I was just greping on your blog, lol

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hanbot: do you have a full copy/mirror of eulorum.org?

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while it's been up for quite a while and supposedly it's "community-run", I don't really like referencing it anymore because I have no idea for how long it will stay up

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hmm. no, actually; i have local copies of pages i've edited less 1-3 of the most recent edits, yeesh. i just changed the paste & wot browser links today, for instance, but didn't keep the new text locally. i'ma remedy this tonight.

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is your scythe that scythe? I'd link it, for context if nothing else.

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death's scythe, given the previous line's about ego-annihilation. i don't see what linking'd hurt tho'. who knows who'll find what entry point to the logs captivatin'.

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well certainly, the scythe is a deadly tool, esp for grass :D

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lol sequitir curului

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haha yea!

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mod6: where's that wyatt youngster, maybe point him to #o or #t-hanbot?

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yeah, what ever became of that guy ?

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iirc he silently dropped from eulora, most probably not quite grokking much of it /coming at it with an oh,shiny image.

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but he was quite young really

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hanbot: Comment waiting in your mod/spam hopper. I suspect the quantity of log links pushed it there.

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approved and link limit raised

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hanbot: ty

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18:56

mp_en_viaje what do i need to do for a license for #trilema-hanbot?

18:57

nothing besides the commitment to doing something with it.

18:57

ima issue one this coming week.

18:59

thank you. i'll be looking for ways to "call the ships to port" this week also.

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19:21

lobbes

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950366 << fwiw I asked my q's to trinque in his channel.

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ericbot

Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.

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lobbes

( my q's were related to my own skillset and not really the project as a whole, so I specifically decided to not ask them in #t )

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feedbot

http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/10/v-tree-and-v-starter-v2/ << Ossa Sepia -- V-tree and V-starter V2

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aite

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bvt: any eta for that vtools tree? I think I'll mirror it myself but I'd much rather mirror *your* sigs on *all* vpatches - can you point me to them please?

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diana_coman: i never signed all of the vtools vpatches. the only patches with my signatures are that of http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3-take-two/ http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/ http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/vpatch-support-for-files-in-vtree-root/; the eta for a full tree can be this wednesday.

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also, update on the measurements: the rest of perf overhead was still coming from the tty driver, i had to resort a yet different fix for reading, however with keccak (i turned already present sha3 into keccak) i am currently stuck with a hand that manifests during early bootup, so i will the full writeup when i eliminate the bug; most likely, keccak would be feasible for both fast and good hashing.

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s/hand/hang/

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/11/unrest-in-south-america-continues/ << Qntra -- Unrest In South America Continues

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^ Updated. Evo Morales resigned +/- a couple minutes from hitting the publish button

21:10

bvt, ok, this sounds pretty great

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2019-11-10#1000045 << lol, recall that time i showed up with a pistol atop the luggage, explained to the contradicted inspector that "it's ok, it has no magazine, see ?", which he happily accepted while that frenchwoman who had just lost however many hundreds in expensive cosmetics "omfg, can't take liquids!!!" bubbled over with rage ?

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(trilema-hanbot) 2019-11-10 hanbot: yeah, i think the best way is just bringing them with you through airports. in my experience customs @ santamaria has no cares and no curiosities.

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dude was totally into it, "oh, yeah, no magazine, that's all right"

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lol

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BingoBoingo, wikipedia dun know about the retiring yet lol

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https://twitter.com/evoespueblo for lulz.

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mp_en_viaje never could stomach the dork.

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mp_en_viaje steps for dealing with customs like mp_en_viaje: 1. be mp_en_viaje; 2. ???

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lol

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Well he was one of those "Let's try a figurehead from the mass of the population" experiments

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BingoBoingo, this whole nativist "third way" socialism is pretty fucking offensive. what, everyone's tito now ?

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tito wasn't a fucking chucka, wtf.

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Peru of all places seemed to have the best solution to this in the 1990s

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bvt: that sounds quite great really ! re vtools though, wouldn't you sign those other vpatches you built on top or what's the thing there?

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on top of*

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o btw hanbot : http://trilema.com/2012/pentru-echipa-si-alte-abureli/#footnote_0_37518 !!!

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diana_coman: ok, this should be it http://bvt-trace.net/tree-vtools/

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mp_en_viaje lol pea-tree! of course by now "acacia" just connotes the extra-scary spike-spined horrors from backwoods costa rica.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950469 << It occurs to me that this sorta aversion to the local "nativists" wanting to socialism down here spoiled the Trump "hallucinated best friend" hangers on back in old country.

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Logged on 2019-11-10 17:29:49 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, this whole nativist "third way" socialism is pretty fucking offensive. what, everyone's tito now ?

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Weev, Anglin, the Heartiste fucker who to this day hasn't fired up his own blog after Automattic booted him... It's a gimme crowd every bit as offensive as the WIC mommies crossing the borders that they bitch about

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mod6

<+diana_coman> mod6: where's that wyatt youngster, maybe point him to #o or #t-hanbot? << ok will do for sure.

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mod6

<+mp_en_viaje> yeah, what ever became of that guy ? << I haven't heard from him in quite a long time.

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mod6

Last I heard tho, he was playing a lot of Fortnite or whatever it is.

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mod6 bbl

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