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01:19 * asciilifeform writin' wwwistic calculator to go w/ the cost article.
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01:40 BingoBoingo Welcome back billymg, your datas are ready.
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02:23 billymg hey BingoBoingo, tyvm
02:23 billymg sorry about the join/part, bit of bouncer issues
02:24 billymg just got back from cr, am now land owner
02:24 BingoBoingo Congrats
02:25 billymg thanks, it was quite a process, but glad now that it's done
02:25 BingoBoingo Plantation? Game reserve? Hobby farm?
02:27 billymg yeah, ranch, not too far from the beach. multiple structures so there are rental / bnb opportunities
02:28 billymg very nice safe house overall
02:29 BingoBoingo Is it a working ranch with livestock or gotta bring your own?
02:30 billymg some existing cows that belong to the groundskeeper, a native tico who's been on the property for even longer than the previous owner
02:31 billymg the previous owners ran it as a bnb, have some existing relationships that carry over as well (outside any platform sites)
02:32 billymg plus some long term renters (expats) in one of the houses
02:40 billymg i took some photos on this trip as well, plan to do a post about the experience (once i get my blog back up)
02:42 billymg speaking of, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, it sounded like there was an option for some interim shared hosting. i would be interested in that if available. then when i'm on the ground i will look around for a local DC
02:46 BingoBoingo billymg: Sure thing. Just please see http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/
02:46 BingoBoingo The interim server is only supporting www, no bouncers.
02:46 asciilifeform billymg: i've a rack, and about to post very pedantic analysis. so i dun need temp host, but ty.
02:46 BingoBoingo Don't plan to run it as interim hosting more than 3 months, etc
02:51 * asciilifeform finally, posted draft.
02:54 feedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3486 << Loper OS -- TMSR North Ameristan Rack Prospectus: Initial Draft.
02:54 asciilifeform ^ mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , & all other panzers, achtung!
02:55 * asciilifeform goes to fix the inescapable typos
02:58 asciilifeform ^ a mechanized price estimator is included .
03:05 asciilifeform all prospective inhabitants , invited to comment.
03:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i omitted discussion of shared hosting strictly because the provisions do not yet exist. but it should be simple to compute the cost of emplacing the necessary machine, via this draft.
03:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: With that margin, you certainly are going to want to sell the shit of of shared for some gravy.
03:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: certainly.
03:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'ma stfu tho until mp has chance to comment, it seems likely that i made a coarse error of pilotage somewhere.
03:11 asciilifeform ( the #s -- correct; but re the logic. )
03:12 billymg asciilifeform: np, ty
03:13 billymg BingoBoingo: space on anyserver would be much appreciated, and the terms seem fine
03:13 * BingoBoingo returns to typing up meeting notes.
03:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions.
03:14 BingoBoingo billymg: Did you successfully ssh in yet?
03:14 asciilifeform (because of the very aggressively low price of the upsteam, this is imho practical.)
03:14 billymg yup, grabbed my backups, tyvm
03:15 BingoBoingo billymg: Just going to run an mp-wp site?
03:16 billymg yes, i'll sadly stick to this lulazon box for my bouncer until i get something else figured out
03:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: my other intention is to demonstrate that i can actually run a satisfactory ( to the standard of mp & co ) rack.
03:16 billymg anyserver would be only for billymg.com and nothing else
03:17 BingoBoingo billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow.
03:17 billymg excellent! will do
03:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is interesting that you think the margin is small. i was thinking it is rather fascist.
03:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I do suspect you gravely underpriced the Rockchips for their share of the pipe if nothing else. At just under 9 USD, that's probably going to make any shared price point impossible.
03:22 asciilifeform ( earlier was wondering, how the moldavian d00d charges 35eu per 1u. but diana_coman's bandwidth tests seem to suggest the answer.
03:22 asciilifeform )
03:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: shares-of-pipe are to be handled as described under 'physical space & energy' # III .
03:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i did not want to start right off the bat w/ explicit pipe rationing, because it in itself imposes some loss of total capacity. but the provisions for rationing are in place.
03:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as for rk vs shared hosting, i actually prefer that folx live in rk, it is considerably easier to administer , each user gets actual physical machine where can do as he pleases.
03:26 asciilifeform incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later.
03:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for l2 n00bs can do shared hosting , per '1y phree' scheme suggested earlier by mp.
03:27 asciilifeform so we'll defo want the provisions for it.
03:28 * asciilifeform spent 4d nao thinking about 'how to price', 'what to price', and head hurts.
03:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order.
03:28 BingoBoingo But the shared machine will have an advantage for hosting www in that www benefits from having all the ram possible
03:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i think you know, i had rk provisioning ~100% automated.
03:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this is so. the current standard rk contains 2GB ram.
03:30 asciilifeform a 256G 'dulap' potentially could house ~128 users at similar ram apportionment (but only 8 if each were to be allotted 4 cores as present in rk.)
03:30 BingoBoingo Even with the lessons learned. Drives die, etc. 3 year depreciation may make sense for a dulap, but on a rockchip even with forced air...We had a Rockchip die
03:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: indeed we did
03:30 asciilifeform hence 'this document aint final'
03:30 asciilifeform i expect mp will have other, harsher crit, also.
03:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: observe that i allotted 50/mo of catch-all overhead. this i expect will mostly go to maintenance of rk plant.
03:32 asciilifeform and the purchase of spares.
03:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'd like to keep prices 'as low as possible, but not lower'. heathendom offers much lower, theoretically, prices, than what is seen in this prospectus . and not erryone agrees ' asciilifeform's hands worth added 50/mo ', so keeping the greed to a min.
03:37 BingoBoingo Is there anywhere leasing singleboard arms, hosted for under 10 USD monthly?
03:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: funnily enuff the upstream provider colos (not leases) 'raspberries' for 10.
03:37 asciilifeform i dun like 'raspberries' tho.
03:38 BingoBoingo raspberries are a lower end product
03:38 asciilifeform they also dun specify what happens when ssd croaks etc
03:39 asciilifeform 'toy' market.
03:39 * asciilifeform has no intention of attempting gentoo port to 'raspberry' or any other 'boot blobs'-laden arm machine
03:40 asciilifeform asciilifeform-rk hosting is a 'turn-key' product, incl. gentooism, maintenance, debuggery as-req'd, etc
03:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re 'fingerwork' -- i've dismounted the rk's for the 1u earlier built for transport to piz , and they will live in a 'DIN' 2u subrack. so no moar finger gymnastics.
03:45 asciilifeform each will sit on individual rail clamp.
03:46 asciilifeform ( full disclosure : this is not installed just yet )
03:46 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-20 16:34:01 asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently your box looks like this. it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails.
03:46 * asciilifeform puts down the microphone, and goes to meat. bbl.
03:58 mp_en_viaje dawg what a productive monday everyone's been having
04:01 mp_en_viaje in other news, czechs have this "rebel" tv station. lotta pantera / ancient metal , modern sad lulz both local and int'l, and all sorta pink flamingo-likes.
04:02 mp_en_viaje the lulziest wanna-be punk bullshit, filmed out of a $200 potato by a few retards / "custodians" / graveyard shit workers still beats the shit out of the overproduced wanna-be pop of the usgistani "i wanna fuck latina teens" wasptard lobby.
04:04 mp_en_viaje Crashdïet, who the fuck ever heard of this ridiculous nonsense, metalaut went out with the fucking berlin wall
04:05 mp_en_viaje o wait, their production dept reads the logs, now switched to aerosmith (falling in love) and following led zeppelin. aite, aite, your channel's pretty cool, chillax folks.
04:07 mp_en_viaje can't even watch this shit with the lights off, too much lumvariance holy hell.
04:11 BingoBoingo Many sectors of the Fat Forehead party are using potato footage in their ads. Can't even spec spammy blowjob footage quality Xiaomi or Huawei cameras that happen to have radios.
04:23 mp_en_viaje nuts.
04:33 BingoBoingo Well, biggest offender is the local Communist Party. Misallocation of resources comes with the turf.
04:33 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947360 << a large part of this problem, should be prolly mentioned retrospectively, is that aquila non capit muscas / whales don't eat peanuts by the nut (even if elephants do). when i raped the "bitcoin cash" nonsense, for instance, i burned the idiots for thousands upon thousands of bitcoin at a time, as some here involved in the transfer may remember. easy to keep it net positive by frenzy feedi
04:33 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 17:18:41 mp_en_viaje: easily the worst part of my example is the "und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz" / "money is no object" "battleship mp" part.
04:33 mp_en_viaje ng like that now and again and meanwhile leaking thousands o' dubaloos daily.
04:34 mp_en_viaje just because mp income is not particularly visible dun mean it dun exist ; misinterpreting it as "mp just burns money" is therefore temptingly trivial, but about as wise as "mp doesn't understand computers" or w/e, "can't fucking add".
04:36 mp_en_viaje soros similarly never made a salary, and so on. past a certain size income's whenever you run into a new planetoid to accrete, not every morning with the dew.
04:38 * asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
04:38 mp_en_viaje hola.
04:39 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: how's czechia ?
04:39 mp_en_viaje fucking great, actually.
04:39 mp_en_viaje only onther place i currently know competition-capable with costa rica.
04:40 * asciilifeform moar or less 100% able to eat written czech. spoken, diff matter
04:40 mp_en_viaje vienna also nice, but that's 2nd tier.
04:40 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, that's ok, czech speakers 100% able to eat mp. yum!
04:41 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: do you address'em in deutsch, so to instantly trigger lordosis ?
04:42 mp_en_viaje english, french, even italian!
04:42 asciilifeform lol, dafuq are they doing speaking eng
04:42 mp_en_viaje everyone does fwis.
04:43 asciilifeform nuts.
04:43 mp_en_viaje funny breed of russky-kretuzes, too. big tits on slender waifs.
04:44 BingoBoingo Nice
04:49 billymg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947419 << files are in place
04:49 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 23:17:09 BingoBoingo: billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow.
04:49 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947381 << o hey, good for you. blog article ? pix ?
04:49 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 22:24:38 billymg: just got back from cr, am now land owner
04:49 billymg mp_en_viaje: yes! blog post and pics coming
04:49 BingoBoingo billymg: ty, putting finishing touches on the lawyer notes
04:49 mp_en_viaje nice.
04:52 mp_en_viaje exciting.
04:53 billymg thanks, yeah it's a good feeling
04:54 mp_en_viaje do you intend to continue using it as a bnb sorta thing ?
04:54 mp_en_viaje or kicking everything out, installing own harem in there, castle billy mountain goat & his merry ewes ?
04:55 billymg first the former, until i get myself oriented
04:56 billymg and then i suppose i'll have to see how much i have in me wrt the latter
04:57 mp_en_viaje hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow.
04:57 billymg it's all a huge departure from show up at office terminal, collect bezzle -- so i'm expecting a learning curve
04:58 mp_en_viaje billymg, i believe.
05:02 billymg mp_en_viaje: you read my mind, was thinking it could serve as a lord's retreat spot. trinque or anyone else in l1 would certainly be welcome
05:03 mp_en_viaje billymg, ima prolly be in africa/middle east this winter ; but defo coming back to cr prolly spring / summer at the latest, i dun so much like summer in yurp.
05:03 mp_en_viaje at which point i'll defo come check it out.
05:04 billymg sounds good, i hope to be there late january myself
05:04 mp_en_viaje works.
05:07 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, is there on edge of the seat, falling asleep, waiting for me to get to his calculator thing. THE SHOE IS ON TEH OTHER FOOT NAO, HUH!!! you're gonna be asleep before i'm done with all this other stuff, huh! HUH!
05:13 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947428 << irc bouncers utterly ideal for this job, they attract the sorta limp dick "ddos" that separates the latechcos from the adults.
05:13 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 23:26:11 asciilifeform: incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later.
05:13 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 09:48:26 mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE
05:16 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947432 << don't be an idiot and think WELL and CORRECTLY about the one guy with extensive tmsr dc experience here present is saying. are you SURE it's correctly priced ?
05:16 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 23:28:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order.
05:19 BingoBoingo I felt less tension and stress every time I racked and unracked a 1U server solo versus any time I touched the Rockchip plant. I trust his new layout is better based on the picture and his experience being frustrated with the pilot plant, but once it fills... I suspect asciilifeform suffers from the same disease I do where I've consistently failed most of my life to assign value to my time and taken what was offered from the menu.
05:32 * asciilifeform in fact still awake -- if not for much long
05:33 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it's strange, i was convinced ~errybody~ would flame re 'outlandish prices'
05:34 mp_en_viaje that's because you're an idiot.
05:34 asciilifeform evidently
05:34 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: how come moldavia 35eu tho..
05:34 mp_en_viaje never you mind that part.
05:37 * asciilifeform will rewrite, after processing all barf from the experts. sorta what 1st draft is for.
05:41 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/10/22/notes-from-the-first-meeting-with-counsel/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The First Meeting With Counsel
05:41 BingoBoingo ^ With the late hour something has to suffer and what will suffer is proofreading. This is the Nth consecutive day I am ending exhausted and I like it.
05:41 * asciilifeform reads
05:41 BingoBoingo There's a few pictures for the looking too
05:44 BingoBoingo Also meatspace deedbot promotion
05:47 * asciilifeform deadly tired, will process all queued i/o when wakes up. bbl
05:47 BingoBoingo Sleep well
05:50 trinque mp_en_viaje and billymg, thanks for the offers! I just got in from a vacation, so I'll need to attend to things a while before another. but would love to!
05:50 trinque in other and related news, ressurected trinque.org . will get the url rewriting fixed tomorrow
05:50 trinque night all
05:53 mp_en_viaje kekekekekex
05:53 mp_en_viaje yo asciilifeform : i hit the comment, your blog says "Wrong"
05:53 mp_en_viaje fucking lost it, ima wake up prageu laUGHING, what the fuck is wrong with you
05:54 mp_en_viaje o fuck me, the idiotic "captcha nonsense".
05:54 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QGNb << there you go.
05:57 * asciilifeform wakes up briefly
05:57 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: for my debuggification, what was the xor prompt when got 'wrong' ?
05:58 mp_en_viaje nfi, i never fill those in.
05:58 asciilifeform can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ?
05:58 mp_en_viaje no!
05:58 mp_en_viaje i'm one hair away from buying fucking ww2 de-mining tank, to fuck up all the "speed bumps" i run into, also.
05:59 asciilifeform aite, will then post mp_en_viaje's crit manually when wake up. ( and eat into draft 2, lotsa good point )
05:59 mp_en_viaje fucking bullshit, i should have my shocks fucked because someone else ~might~ speed over your children. go talk to that someone else, not to me.
06:01 * asciilifeform returns to horiz. pos.
06:04 * BingoBoingo omitted from the notes post that I did during the closing chit chat bring up that "folks from my part of the US have a reputation for naivety, to the point some go so far as to call us rubes" as we discussed the insanity of common law systems.
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06:25 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, sounds like you're rapunzel over there, woke up as if from spell.
06:25 mp_en_viaje good for you!
06:26 * mp_en_viaje woke up early to publish trilema article, ended up reading other people's articles for 3 hours, not even done. lessee bvt's now!
06:29 mp_en_viaje http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
06:29 mp_en_viaje plox to weigh in.
06:31 mp_en_viaje imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic
06:32 mp_en_viaje i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
06:32 mp_en_viaje sorta gives meaning to computer identity, which... i dunno, seems nice.
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06:58 mp_en_viaje and thanks bvt, megaworks there.
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09:38 diana_coman wow, nice work bvt! I'll need to re-read it a few times though.
09:46 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")?
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10:06 diana_coman asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc)
10:10 diana_coman asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway.
10:11 diana_coman asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not a business plan
10:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-18 13:08:52 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog.
10:24 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now)
10:28 mp_en_viaje b in any case is a central point of republican policy, as per both http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-14#1834692 and http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-10-05#1553287 (there's plenty other minor examples0
10:28 ossabot Logged on 2018-07-14 21:30:25 mircea_popescu: notice as in, you know, actually notice, "omfg i can't believe what a shithead i am, missed out on the financial bitcoin train and then on the political too, i truly am too stuipid to fucking live" and subsequently blow their brains out, as any sort of rational process absolutely dictates...
10:28 ossabot Logged on 2016-10-05 13:08:17 mircea_popescu: which is the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one to various liabilities downstream. including among them - that you will be unwound.
10:31 mp_en_viaje incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally.
10:31 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 00:57:27 mp_en_viaje: hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow.
10:32 mp_en_viaje !Qlater tell bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947565
10:32 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:31:20 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally.
10:32 mp_en_viaje hm how the fuck did that work
10:32 mp_en_viaje lobbes, hey bot ded ?
10:38 mp_en_viaje and since doing this, hey spyked ? you ever been across ocean ?
10:39 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!)
10:39 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:24:44 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now)
10:40 mp_en_viaje and if it does it can also make a vpatch
10:40 diana_coman indeed.
10:40 diana_coman and wtf did I do there 1 & b, ugh.
10:40 mp_en_viaje ikr :D
10:42 mp_en_viaje anyway, i suppose the logical next step is for the remarkably productive bvt to do some benchmarking re speed of possible candidates (a list including atm the chacha and serpent -- knowledgeable folk feel free to propose more candidates) so as to have some practical basis.
10:42 mp_en_viaje the fast hash has to be FAST ; while the good hash has to be GOOD. this trumps e) in any case.
10:43 diana_coman keccak I suppose
10:43 mp_en_viaje we know that's ~slow
10:43 mp_en_viaje but yeah, why not benchmark.
10:43 diana_coman for "good" + list.
10:44 diana_coman there is no good hash though, only not-known-yet-as-bad
10:45 mp_en_viaje sadly that'll stay so
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13:13 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/the-spitroast-cheap-whore-storage-the-lonely-tower-winter-skies-gashcz-and-the-peach-juicer-you-sort-it-out/ << Trilema -- The Spitroast, Cheap Whore Storage, The Lonely Tower, Winter Skies, Gash.CZ and The Peach Juicer -- you sort it out.
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14:09 mp_en_viaje (speaking of which, the misadventures of young Rıza Sarraf might be of some amusment to republican readership)
14:23 * asciilifeform waves
14:23 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i sewed in your commentary re costs by hand.
14:26 * asciilifeform will write brief nitpick, but most of it 100% agree, and will go into draft 2
14:38 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: nitpick to commentary posted.
14:39 * asciilifeform eats log...
14:41 asciilifeform other omissions in the draft include FG -- i dun presently have a 'equip erryone who asks' supply of'em here. can equip mp_en_viaje & co, but others will have to wait for wat-do re recovery of FG from piz crater
14:46 asciilifeform http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947549 << asciilifeform is partial to serpent , but strictly because actually had a chance to do some analysis of it ; and dislikes sha for the obv. reason, and chacha ditto for the reason of originating from post-brainrot bernstein. but theoretically all of these snake oils are equally snake oils, and difficult to argue against the standard 'drink t
14:46 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 02:29:31 mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
14:46 asciilifeform he cheapest' formula.
14:48 asciilifeform http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947552 << imho this is a+++ idea. tho as i understand all of the prngism applies strictly to /dev/urandom and so not particularly important how it is wired, no one in his right mind will use urandom for anyffin serious
14:48 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 02:32:27 mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
14:50 asciilifeform http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947557 << the idea was that time is amply compensated by the margin. (certainly w/ mp_en_viaje's 45% figure, it will be!)
14:50 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:06:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc)
14:54 asciilifeform http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947558 << i considered pre-ordering ( it'll be 62, 14 for 1us and 48 for rk plant, i.e. a /26 ) but that'd be 200/mo vs the current baseline 25, and hesitated to do this until rack actually populated by paying customers, it is steep cost for an empty-for-indefinite-time rack.
14:54 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:10:10 diana_coman: asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway.
14:56 asciilifeform http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947559 << diana_coman what, in your pov, is missing, that mp_en_viaje did not mention ? ( and incidentally did e.g. trinque ever publish biz plan / expense sheet for walletron? )
14:56 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:11:38 diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not a business plan
14:59 asciilifeform and typically elaborate biz plans are written for ~investors~ rather than customers, afaik. imho it is reasonable for folx considering to park expensive irons to ask for 'how you plan to remain solvent', hence this thread. but 'how you plan to become rockefeller' is imho tall order. esp. since i've atm no plan to become rockefeller via this work.
14:59 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 23:13:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions.
14:59 asciilifeform that being said, if diana_coman has specific 'what about x', plox to comment, i'ma address in 2nd draft along w/ mp_en_viaje's crit.
15:02 asciilifeform i'ma rewrite that thing until it actually satisfies all of the prospective inhabitants, would like to start the commercial life of the thing asap.
15:03 asciilifeform if it takes 5 writes -- than 5 writes.
15:03 asciilifeform *then
15:05 diana_coman asciilifeform: what does it take for you to stop once and for all the "but x ALSO didn't /did Y"? sure, bash the x who did/didn't if they deserve it, by all means, but that is on them and nothing to do with you, ugh.
15:06 asciilifeform diana_coman: it's simple logical consistency. why apply 1 standard for rack where park 0.1btc of box, and an entirely diff for wallet where park dozens of btc ?
15:07 diana_coman asciilifeform: no; it's simple focus of ONE discussion: why do you care whether X got his bashing yet or not; how is that relevant to what people are asking of you?
15:08 diana_coman asciilifeform: for that matter how do you know "dozens of btc"; and maybe I just love trinque, what.
15:08 asciilifeform diana_coman: if it wasn't clear from thrd, i intend to give the askers what they are asking.
15:08 asciilifeform but will have to be specific crit, like mp_en_viaje's.
15:09 asciilifeform 'this is rubbish, not a proper plan' is not an eggog that i can work from, diana_coman . need detailed 'why, idjit, didntcha explain x?'
15:11 diana_coman asciilifeform: re why "for customers", it's a matter of continuity mainly ie how do you plan to actually make this solvent & grow; or don't you plan this? (related: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946258)
15:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-18 09:33:16 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946136 << yup, and once he chases a different skirt in a week or two again, "problems" again and so on.
15:12 diana_coman asciilifeform: mk: what do you plan to do to fully populate the rack and over what timeframe?
15:13 asciilifeform the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.
15:14 diana_coman asciilifeform: and if it's not clear, this is not about my rk, the tiny-worth, no; it's mainly because I really don't want to move about s.mg servers again, it's been quite an intense week that post-pizarro implosion one.
15:14 asciilifeform well yes.
15:16 diana_coman take all the space you need, sure; I just want to see it or whether there will be any of it.
15:16 asciilifeform diana_coman: 'fully populate' i expect will happen quickly when l1 finds prospectus satisfactory. e.g. 4 'dulap'-type boxen and 1 shared-www per BingoBoingo's schematic already exhausts the energy supply. at which pt i'ma expand to full tower. and diana_coman is right imho, this oughta be detailed in 2nd draft.
15:16 diana_coman asciilifeform: please do, thank you.
15:18 asciilifeform diana_coman: re rk -- i included rk plant from the following logic : 1) it was best-selling product in era of piz 2) i am sitting on a crate of brand-new rk that did not get invoiced to piz or get to fly 3) pre-existing interest ( e.g. diana_coman's ) in inexpensive www mirrors.
15:19 asciilifeform on top of this, i have a gentoo for'em; an automated system for provisioning; and rk is 'most cpu for the watt' box that i'm currently aware of, is imho excellent fit for a wattage-constrained initially small tower.
15:23 asciilifeform diana_coman: moar in brief re expansions (will address pedantically in draft 2) -- they will have to be financed by actual revenue, and BingoBoingo-style auctions, i do not have massive capital (and what i have, is earmarked for physical irons, already ordered 'dulaps' and will be purchasing yet-moar of'em once it becomes clear that asciilifeform won't live alone in the rack)
15:28 diana_coman I'll wait patiently for draft 2, there's no need for sneak previews in the logs or anything.
15:28 asciilifeform aite.
15:29 asciilifeform would like to accumulate all possible nitpicks of 1 before setting out tho.
15:33 asciilifeform diana_coman & mp_en_viaje are the king/queen of the prospective customer base, by weight, and so if no one adds anyffin in next few hrs, i'ma work w/ what's been given so far for draft 2.
~ 29 minutes ~
16:03 asciilifeform tangentially, other mp_en_viaje point -- anyone readily recall how to banish mutilation of quotes from wp? ( aka 'microshit quotes' )
16:03 asciilifeform i'd like to finally patch mine
16:04 asciilifeform ( will guess that it's 1 line somewhere in that war crime.. but where? )
16:05 asciilifeform fwiw i dun enter text via the 'pretty print' wp editor, but as raw htm paste, so it prolly aint the editor that mutilates
16:06 * asciilifeform writes all articles by hand, tags an' all
16:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: https://subinsb.com/how-to-remove-smart-quotes-from-posts-in-wordpress/ << Your version of Wordpress may vary
16:10 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo , i'ma look
16:11 BingoBoingo mp-wp kills em already, and Qntra-wp code hasn't much changed since the cazalla days
16:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www)
16:14 asciilifeform the human-readable urls thing in particular, in mpwp, is quite appetizing.
~ 39 minutes ~
16:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ty, that actually worked. ( tho, funnily, i had to correct the author's own piece, on ~his~ wp evidently did NOT work, his contained microshit-quotes!! )
16:54 BingoBoingo lol, I suspect an "update" killed his fix
16:55 asciilifeform hell knows. seems to remove the mutilation tho, w/out breaking anyffin (if anyone sees a breakage from this patch on my www, or remaining mutilated quotes -- plox to write in)
16:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, the way wordpress updates, if soemthing gets updates whatever files you customized get replaced. Same if the theme "updates"
17:03 BingoBoingo Pre-V software revisions and errata are barbaric
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17:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: on acct of how asciilifeform sewed his wp, it has never 'auto-updated' nor could it, lol
17:24 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-05 20:04:50 asciilifeform: back in '07 sewed his php wp with 'fascism' , it can only write to db, not to disk directly ; so was never able to use the bitmap processing , www uploader, related, features
17:25 asciilifeform it's a manually gardened wp (if not as elaborately cultured as mp's) .
17:25 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/10/kkkalifornia-freshman-pantsuit-congresswoman-caught-breaking-new-house-no-sex-with-staff-rule/ << Qntra -- KKKalifornia Freshman Pantsuit Congresswoman Caught Breaking New House "No Sex With Staff" Rule
17:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Your way is a clean way to handle WP given you have had other things you'd rather do than clean the messes, a product of its time.
17:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: my wp is squarely a 'legacy system', analogous to e.g. 'mpb'. i dun propagandize its use, nor intend to separately genesis it, imho mp has the wp question 100% covered .
17:29 asciilifeform fwiw it has never been detectably vandalized, to date.
17:29 asciilifeform ( 2007 -- present )
17:30 asciilifeform the carrier where it lives, however, is terminally retarded, and it's to be moved as soon as i have a free hand.
17:30 BingoBoingo Qntra-wp similarly legacy system, trapped for the substantial overhead necessary to port the database holding the content. Qntra however is less blog and more wire service.
17:31 asciilifeform ( how retarded? see also thrd. )
17:31 ossabot Logged on 2019-07-18 21:21:31 asciilifeform: sooooo... loox like all things die. and nfs hosting co finally went fullbore stupid. asciilifeform's www is hosed, they 'upgraded' php forcibly.
17:35 asciilifeform when moved, will finally have that static ip...
17:39 * asciilifeform found that there ~remain~ 'microshit quotes' in certain posts, where text had evidently been pasted from wp output. will have to write a sqlism to remove'em, but prolly not today an' not this week.
17:43 asciilifeform DanielBTC (~macaxeira@unaffiliated/danielbtc) has joined #trilema << anyone know whothefuq that is ?
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18:17 asciilifeform http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947653 << ftr would have fixed, that wasnt the issue; simply wasn't literate enuff in phpism to do a proper cleanup. ( arguably still even nao , php to asciilifeform is ~= cobol )
18:17 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 13:26:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your way is a clean way to handle WP given you have had other things you'd rather do than clean the messes, a product of its time.
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18:37 * asciilifeform will begin proper rework of costs draft #2 tonight. prelim. spreadshit however suggests that w/ 45% margin, three leased 'dulaps' already would bring in enuff to upgrade the tower (+20u, 10x pipe, 2x amperage) ~and~ remain in the black...
18:39 asciilifeform ( in the black revenue-wise, that is; to cover the outlay for the machines per se would take at that rate 10y, supposing an improbably static btc exch rate )
18:41 asciilifeform i'ma have to recalculate w / machine-amort. as separate figure.
18:43 asciilifeform ( elementarily, the irons ~must~ amortize in the given time spans, to cover cost of maintenance/replacement )
18:48 * asciilifeform will post in #2 example scenarios for 'full occupancy' and what is required to permit expansion of plant.
18:50 asciilifeform ( ^ in the simplest formulation, a full occupancy that brings in net >200 $ (the added expense of upgraded tower) w/out eating into irons amort. budget. )
18:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo and mp were right, btw, it appears that a well-populated rk fixture (and, possibly, shared-machine) are the only way to actually cross that bridge w/out further raising subscriber colo charge.
18:52 asciilifeform ( and right in re rk in draft 1 being catastrophically underpriced )
18:55 * asciilifeform wonders if he's thinking about this backwards, and oughta instead model the upper half of (expanded) tower as a separate numeric system, w/ same constants but Te == 200.
19:03 asciilifeform for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? )
19:18 asciilifeform w/ the new philosophy of tmsr iron being spread out worldwide, i dunno what kind of occupancy can expect in the immediate term. which is why began with dwarf rack rather than shelling out for the full orchestra immed.
19:19 asciilifeform ( all folx considering emplacing ~anyffin~ in asciilifeform's rack -- plox to write in. no commitment is implied, would like to simply gauge the immediate prospects. )
19:25 mod6 asciilifeform: I think it sounds like a good place to rack the foundation's server (as previously discussed).
19:25 asciilifeform mod6: ty, noted
19:26 asciilifeform mod6: didja get a chance to read draft 1 btw ?
19:26 BingoBoingo mod6: Did you get a chance to read the lawyer meeting notes yet?
19:27 mod6 Yes, to both.
19:27 asciilifeform mod6: plox to do BingoBoingo's 1st, his fire is moar immediately hot
19:27 mod6 Thanks for posting BingoBoingo.
19:28 mod6 It totally agree that costs will soar if this thing goes to court.
19:29 mod6 Do we have a specific budget in mind here for what we're willing to spend? Because, for me, it's not very high.
19:30 asciilifeform mod6: imho makes sense to spend a sum that is strictly < than the cost of evacuating BingoBoingo . but not moar.
19:31 * asciilifeform pictures latech reading the l0gz, and thinking 'haha, suckers, we'll spend N+1'
19:31 mod6 asciilifeform: that's pretty much where I was at as well. .25 BTC to evac. which is about ~$2k in today's prices.
19:32 asciilifeform mod6: i'd even be ok w/ spending a larger (so long as ~bounded~) sum, if we had some notion re the prospects
19:32 asciilifeform but the decision is ultimately on mod6's desk
19:34 BingoBoingo The damned's budget is 8k USD or less unless they suck at math. Their spending increases faster than ours because up until this enters the courtroom /me is an active legwork participant.
19:34 BingoBoingo This contains our billable hours.
19:34 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: explain how you obtained a cap for ~enemy~'s budget ?! or do i misread ?
19:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The cap on their budget is bounded by their maximum upside by repairing the contract.
19:35 asciilifeform 8k granted may be their budget for fighting plain termination of the contract
19:35 asciilifeform but if damages ?
19:36 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: This is why I remain open to settlement while applying maximum pressure.
19:36 * asciilifeform suspects that settlement is the only way this could come out +ev
19:36 asciilifeform but does req. a credible threat
19:37 asciilifeform ( iirc mp already detailed this. )
19:37 mod6 I'll have to admit, I don't care about all the rest of the noise, or whatever, my singular goal is to avoid paying out the rest of the contract.
19:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Even the less than full press in the consumer protection docket, which is less expensive piles costs on them faster than myself as its a mostly diy job.
19:38 BingoBoingo Ending up in the consumer protection docket at all imposes long term costs on them.
19:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: supposing they give rat's arse re 'longterm', i suspect latech is in the 'take the money & run' phase of scamlifecycle
19:39 BingoBoingo I do have a meeting with different counsel tomorrow afternoon as well.
19:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Further action in that direction by the damned leads to the accumulation of criminal fraud charges.
19:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: while it'd be quite satisfying to see the derps jailed, it dun do much for the filling of our crater afaik
19:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, the Fiscalia spends to prosecute that beyond the initial complaint.
19:46 BingoBoingo And derps still spend in their defense
19:46 BingoBoingo They have clearly constrained upside and very unbounded potential costs.
19:47 BingoBoingo Not including any potential judgment.
19:47 BingoBoingo The damage a judgment does would be constrained in the local environment.
19:51 BingoBoingo The primary ground for damages in the local legal environment once again, are based on my lost income which... not going to generate an incredible huge number.
19:53 BingoBoingo If they don't settle at all they next course is weighing which action imposes the most cost on them at the least expenditure.
20:01 * BingoBoingo also still not at all inclined to evacuate without a better landing place.
20:03 * mod6 bbs, f00d
20:08 * asciilifeform meanwhile opened crate fulla ecc ram.
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20:27 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947549 << i certainly liked serpent most, because it went through at least some of form republican investigation, but decided not to hurry too much putting it everywhere.
20:27 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 02:29:31 mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
20:27 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947551 << well yes, sha1 is making FG bottleneck much worse.
20:27 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 02:31:48 mp_en_viaje: imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic
20:28 bvt some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
20:28 bvt but how much of cpu percentage would we want to dedicate to good hashing? if e.g. keccak is in place, what could happen (but only experiments will show) is that the bottleneck would be in the CPU -> if the system runs low on entropy somehow and self-hashes (which goes through the HG now, should it go through HF? (would also make sense from Size/2 decision rule)), we'd have an easy DoS vector against the
20:28 bvt system.
20:29 bvt ftr diana_coman's keccak is 1.7 MB/s on my machine @ 100% CPU utilization.
20:29 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947552 << this is a nice idea, i will implement it
20:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 02:32:27 mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
20:29 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947554 << and ty, mircea_popescu, diana_coman!
20:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 02:58:56 mp_en_viaje: and thanks bvt, megaworks there.
20:30 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947556 << well, as long as selection procedure is rational, can always explain why have chosen this one and explicitly say that this is not an endorsement.
20:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 05:46:09 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")?
20:30 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947572 << allowing arbitrary hash functions would create more bloat -- either i'd have to use some generic crypto abstractions, or hack up the build system and unconditionally enable all the accepted crypto algos at build time to use them directly. it's only chacha and sha1 that are located among e.g. memcpy in lib/ and available uncoditionally. the rest
20:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:39:48 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!)
20:30 bvt require more involvement.
20:31 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947578 << yeah, i will definitely test, including keccak (can pick c impl. for tests)
20:31 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:42:27 mp_en_viaje: anyway, i suppose the logical next step is for the remarkably productive bvt to do some benchmarking re speed of possible candidates (a list including atm the chacha and serpent -- knowledgeable folk feel free to propose more candidates) so as to have some practical basis.
20:35 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell billymg http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9r9U
20:35 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
20:42 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947565 << ty for offer, unfortunately something like this would be possible for me only in feb.
20:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 06:31:20 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally.
~ 18 minutes ~
21:00 BingoBoingo bvt: I'm sure they can try to work something out aroung your schedule.
~ 1 hours 28 minutes ~
22:29 asciilifeform hmm mp ddosated again ?
22:42 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947675 << gauge nothing. glaringly absent from your alleged plan is the 200 hour / month time allocation for creating that demand, with clear by day of week scheduling. is it gonna be 8am to 5pm on tuesdays and 4pm to midnight on wednesdays or what ?
22:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 15:03:50 asciilifeform: for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? )
22:42 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally.
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22:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
22:42 mp_en_viaje so i guess that tty interface will have to be fixed ? or wtf ?!
22:42 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947731 << i do not believe this actually does anything. you can for the same money chant above the creampie, it'll do exactly as much.
22:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 16:30:20 bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947556 << well, as long as selection procedure is rational, can always explain why have chosen this one and explicitly say that this is not an endorsement.
22:43 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947743 << to olazy to look, maybe just shitty internets.
22:43 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-22 18:29:18 asciilifeform: hmm mp ddosated again ?
22:44 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: not done w/ the 2nd set of numerics yet, but seems i may have ~opposite~ problem atm
22:52 asciilifeform ( concretely : 4 'dulap'-style units , while (w/ mp_en_viaje-corrected set of constants) putting op +240 in +ev, in fact exhausts the energy allotment (not overruns, but leaves room only for rk plant.) and there already were requested, counting everyone who answered, tentatively 4 dulap's worth . (5 if counting shared-box) . )
22:52 asciilifeform will detail this in rewritten piece .
22:54 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.
23:01 asciilifeform and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later.
23:06 asciilifeform ( 'do you expect me to...' 'no, mr. bond! we expect you to DIE!!!!'(tm)(r) )
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