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00:31 diana_coman mp_en_viaje production server & db successfully running on my local test-setup so that part at least seems all right; tomorrow I'll look at the dev server too.
00:33 diana_coman all those installation notes from past times came in extremely handy indeed; a few hurdles existed, quite as expected with respect to finding again various precise versions of stuff so from now on I'll have to backup *that* too.
~ 3 hours 31 minutes ~
04:05 asciilifeform congrats diana_coman !
04:06 asciilifeform i'ma put in deedbot the final cookbook for this, when i wakeup.
04:10 asciilifeform ( 'this' == the old gentoo )
04:10 * asciilifeform to bed.
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04:51 BingoBoingo Sleep well.
~ 2 hours 30 minutes ~
07:21 BingoBoingo Aite, 'anyserver' has the right versions of apache and php finally built and working together.
07:21 lobbes congrats!
07:27 feedbot http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp bot workplan: Now until November 3rd.
07:36 BingoBoingo hanbot_abroad: In the next 24-36 hours I hope to have access to pass out. Once I wake up I'll run to the market where folks lay out their weird for sale looking for some things to help the coming disk clean up. Then it'll be back to knocking 'anyserver' into an interim place for blogs to see some light again.
~ 50 minutes ~
08:26 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, splendid!
08:26 mp_en_viaje and ty asciilifeform !
08:26 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, yay!
08:27 mp_en_viaje meanwhile i moved the bimbo from fetlife work to instagram work yest, on the groudns that "what the fuck, all these uppity gorgons, go talk to pretty girls at least"
08:27 mp_en_viaje so if anyone's into instagram talk to her
08:28 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, i wouldn't worry THAT much about the materials, even a 5lb hammer and a chunk of rock will be sufficient.
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08:44 mp_en_viaje aaand in other MAJOR http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ developments, http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133 stands like an absolute milestone. there's also a cultural aspect to contend with now!
08:45 mp_en_viaje specifically : the public statues are sufficiently elaborate, the public stellae high enough, in any case our notions and conceits sufficiently advanced to support (in my judgement) revisiting of the shitlangs, with clear deliniation as to why and what and wherefore.
08:46 mp_en_viaje no longer merely "do not use shitlangs, they rot the brain" but rather the much more refined "do not use shitlangs as langs, they're not that, and don't swallow, either".
08:46 mp_en_viaje i think a lot's been gained here.
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10:42 mp_en_viaje in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
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11:12 spyked mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the editor weird). /me will try to get it done tomorrow
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11:33 mp_en_viaje cool
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14:28 bvt hi. i intend to finish the kernel rng work end of next week - then will do a dissection-writeup on what i did + vpatch. i also have to setup mpwp somewhere - this may take a bit of additional time.
14:30 bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945073 << the only problem i ever encountered is project gutenberg blocking germany, but no problems with archive.is
14:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 06:42:11 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
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17:02 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: yw !
17:02 asciilifeform !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit_r4.txt
17:02 deedbot accepted: 1
17:02 asciilifeform ^ latest draft of recipe, as tested by asciilifeform and then diana_coman .
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17:38 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: can report that dev server is also built and had a test run locally with dev client; compilation there messier because of the whole stuff with gnat.
17:41 mp_en_viaje aha
17:41 mp_en_viaje but yay!
17:42 mp_en_viaje ok so basically we answer the original q with "well, we're married with amds and using above deeded recipe" ?
17:44 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: pretty much, yes.
17:44 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
17:44 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, was the item you applied actually and formally the item deeded ?
17:45 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, sounds like a good idea yeah
17:45 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: I have on my list to attempt recipe on intel too - if I find some time for it; it wasn't burning and it's one of those "only if deemed worth to know"
17:45 asciilifeform diana_coman: if you need an intel version, plz lemme know, i in fact excavated a 'xeon' recently on which can be tried.
17:46 mp_en_viaje i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro.
17:46 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: I'll have to check, since he deeded now I think "latest version"; previously I used his deeded version + tweak for fuckgoats & my kbd
17:46 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: lol 'leak ip', how about 'civilize barbaric voodoo into published tool'
17:46 mp_en_viaje als
17:46 mp_en_viaje o
17:47 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, important to make sure there's no splits whatsoever, now, when fresh in memory
17:47 mp_en_viaje if we have to fix in say 18 months, we'll spend days in this "oh god damned recipe is not useful" vicious circle
17:47 diana_coman indeed; I'll check today after a bit of a needed break.
17:47 mp_en_viaje kk
17:47 mp_en_viaje 100% same thing or no good
17:47 asciilifeform this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
17:48 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll check it against my notes too.
17:48 mp_en_viaje cool
17:50 diana_coman asciilifeform: re intel, I have an old intel excavated out and waiting to have this set on it, if I get around to do it.
17:50 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
17:50 mp_en_viaje ic
17:50 asciilifeform diana_coman: should need adjustment only in kernel flags : no amd-exclusive cpu instrs were used in building the binaries (given the vintage of the cpu targeted, none exist such that would fall into this trap)
17:51 asciilifeform the item strictly-as-given is expected to function on any 64bit amd ( asciilifeform's test bed was a 'e350', circa 2010 . )
17:53 asciilifeform diana_coman's was a 'fx' .
17:53 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-11 diana_coman: wtf can't quite find the thing; the motherboard is Asus M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3 HDMI Motherboard; the cpu is AMD FX-8350 Eight Core to 4.2GHz
17:53 diana_coman asciilifeform: I've set it up also on another fx (slightly diff number) on a gigabyte board
17:53 diana_coman that was test no 2 yest
17:54 asciilifeform aa, neato
17:56 asciilifeform so far only oddity reported seems to be where diana_coman had a keyboard that wouldn't go , tho asciilifeform could not reproduce .
17:56 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: I looked about, changed the one for my usual kbd (the emergency ps kbd is not that comfy on fingers) and otherwise looked around but I didn't see something directly needed/to change
17:56 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 asciilifeform: tried even last night several usb kbd, all worked.
17:57 * asciilifeform bbl:meat
~ 2 hours 32 minutes ~
20:29 diana_coman asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
20:31 diana_coman asciilifeform: between 3-8 and 3-10 I needed the obv mkdir /mnt/usb
20:32 diana_coman for that matter, there's 3-9 missing, lol
20:34 diana_coman asciilifeform: at 3-19, argh, put in there the exact place of pl2303 in kernel, it was annoying enough to have to track it down once.
20:34 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: ah, found it; it's in device drivers/usb support/usb serial converter support/usb prolific shit
20:39 diana_coman asciilifeform: at 3-20, this wasn't true: there was still the change from linear to lba32
20:42 asciilifeform diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
20:42 diana_coman asciilifeform: I'd still rather put the content than just the link, why make the recipe utterly dependent on the logger being up, anyways? eg at 3-29, put in the reference but also just the required option
20:42 ossabot Logged on 2018-08-01 12:53:52 asciilifeform: dwc_otg.speed=1 on kernel param line.
20:43 asciilifeform diana_coman: good point (tho that part imho really belongs on FG www page; sadly it is lost at sea atm)
20:43 * diana_coman goes to check lilo.conf
20:43 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
20:44 diana_coman it might belong there also, sure; still, I'd rather have it in recipe too; for that matter there is still the companion thing, might need to add a note at the very least
20:44 asciilifeform diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
20:45 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
20:46 diana_coman asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
20:46 asciilifeform ty diana_coman , i'ma include these in place of the dead.
20:46 diana_coman I think this last russian one had the mysql/I quite distinctly remember adding it
20:47 asciilifeform ideally ( as said already by diana_coman in #o ) we abolish the req for external mirrors.
20:48 diana_coman aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
20:49 asciilifeform diana_coman: lemme know if the r4 recipe is in fact insufficient for the current smg process , i'ma then revise. otherwise i'ma proceed with the streamlined 1stick thing, it will be tested later in the wk , w/ own hands and anyone else who wants this type of sys.
20:50 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945126 - confirmed, this is indeed fixed in r2.
20:50 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:42:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
20:51 asciilifeform diana_coman: fwiw i used network in testbed solely to get shell on the box, did not 'emerge' etc. anyffin.
20:53 asciilifeform diana_coman: python selector is also set in r2 tar, plox to confirm.
20:54 diana_coman asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
20:54 diana_coman asciilifeform: python selector fine, confirmed.
20:55 asciilifeform curl oughta be put in the sealed canister imho.
20:55 asciilifeform (i snapshotted dulap even before emerged curl!)
20:55 diana_coman for eulora dev and therefore next, there is also gnat, ofc.
20:55 asciilifeform diana_coman: do we want ave1's last gnat in the canister ?
20:56 asciilifeform (say in e.g. /opt/gnat)
20:56 diana_coman asciilifeform: iirc last gnat is static-only, isn't it?
20:56 asciilifeform it is. and so oughta work 100% .
20:56 diana_coman which is nice and fine but sadly crystalspace is a mess and won't compile static only just yet :(
20:56 asciilifeform aaa.
20:57 * asciilifeform did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
20:57 diana_coman possibly I'll have to hammer it into static at some point but not yet there (it's a ball of ifdefism among other things)
20:58 diana_coman asciilifeform: I still use ave1 gnat, just not latest/static-only
20:58 asciilifeform diana_coman: possibly i oughta refrain from sealing in a gnat then, it could interfere with your process
20:58 asciilifeform ah
20:58 diana_coman asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it?
20:59 asciilifeform diana_coman: it is. i have 4 diff gnats on the box where now sitting.
20:59 diana_coman ie set first in path the desired one and that's it
20:59 asciilifeform this requires a certain amt of user fiddling tho.
20:59 asciilifeform and yes.
20:59 diana_coman so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister
20:59 asciilifeform then will include.
20:59 asciilifeform vtron imho also oughta go in. and gpg 1.4.10 .
20:59 diana_coman well, I'd love to get at some point to static-only, so ...
21:00 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945131 << this is a sound principle anyways.
21:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
21:00 * asciilifeform begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
21:00 asciilifeform really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
21:00 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945133 << problem with "work inside chroot" is well documented in a meanwhile lost hanbot articler
21:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
21:01 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945134 << then put hashes in the deed too.
21:01 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:45:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
21:01 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
21:02 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv.
21:02 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945135 << the risk with enumerating such is that nao any slashdot "buyer" / malware distributor has a list to work off of.
21:02 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:46:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
21:02 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, any indiv binaries imo, esp discrete pieces which "so as to save hours".
21:02 asciilifeform esp. these.
21:02 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: honestly, ~any mirror is dog-food
21:02 mp_en_viaje yeah.
21:03 mp_en_viaje im not saying don't do it, i'm... well, im not even fucking sure what i'm saying. the thought occured.
21:03 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick.
21:03 mp_en_viaje eys.
21:03 asciilifeform mirrors suck if only by wasting time, they have life expectancy of laboratory rat
21:04 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
21:04 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945139 << this is golden standard anyway, recipe that dun live up to it can only really be used by bimbos for bimbo toys. not 0-value, but still.
21:04 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:48:02 diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
21:05 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, yeah, the worthlessness of child's net aka www is well documented on trilema also.
21:06 mp_en_viaje pretty much only thing it's for is to fish http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/?b=beautifully%20shaped&e=Ethiopian%20girl#select off of.
21:06 mp_en_viaje (speaking of which, isn't the select mechanism beautiful in how it ~supplants anchors~!!!)
21:06 asciilifeform anchors barely worked at all
21:07 asciilifeform (consider the still-unresolved 'log url scheme' quandary )
21:08 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945172 - asciilifeform , are you saying that you can do same with cuntoo directly?
21:08 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:20 asciilifeform: begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
21:09 asciilifeform but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
21:09 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:39 asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
21:09 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945145 << you can install curl without ssh/ssl ; and use it without also (curl --k)
21:09 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:54:35 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
21:10 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945156 << we're moving off of it, but it is a LARGE spot of work.
21:10 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:57:07 asciilifeform: did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
21:10 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj
21:10 asciilifeform err, -ssl
21:10 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: the problem is that the recipe makes a system on which openssl is *already installed*
21:11 asciilifeform diana_coman: indeed. off the shelf gentoo includes it, because mirrors tend to be sslistic
21:11 mp_en_viaje grand problem with c-anything is that there's no php-like "lulz, three stiches and a dab, you'll be done in five hours). anythng, ANYTHING, even something as simple as "make the fucking int datatypes match across the code" turn into multi-week, 100+ hour projects.
21:11 diana_coman otherwise yes, I had banned in on the previous smg test server and simply got on with libressl
21:11 mp_en_viaje don
21:11 mp_en_viaje t need even that for curl specifically. curl will work with no crypto.
21:11 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
21:11 asciilifeform (and that's simply cpu time)
21:12 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: hm; some dependencies seemed to pull in some crypto; didn't fully investigate to see if they can in turn work without etc, perhaps yes.
21:12 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags.
21:12 mp_en_viaje since eulora actually uses tmsr crypto anyway, imo it is worth trying an empire-crypto-less system for it.
21:13 mp_en_viaje not necessarily right nao, but as a design principle.
21:13 asciilifeform ( ftr 99% of why asciilifeform ~even used~ gentoos , is the ability to ban-flag / peg versions of packages with fine grain )
21:13 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, i can see it.
21:13 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that.
21:13 mp_en_viaje yeah.
21:14 * asciilifeform specifically omitted discussion of adjustments that would require 'world rebuilds', it would catastrophically delay diana_coman et al. but eventually will have to be discussed, in re: e.g. ssl removal.
21:15 asciilifeform this is 1 of the items that actually wins from the use of inexpensive leased boxen tho. can have multiple staging units where worlds are rebuilding while other work carries on, potentially.
21:16 mp_en_viaje forinstance.
21:17 * asciilifeform did this, when baking ' asciilifeform's gentoo ', but most of what's hanging from asciilifeform's lan is pretty slow cpuwise
21:17 mp_en_viaje god i fucking love my blog. i get lost in here, for hours, reading old articles.
21:17 mp_en_viaje i suspect trilema is actually my colt, retirement plan.
21:17 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i tend to spend 20-30m reading old mp_en_viaje pieces when waking up
21:17 asciilifeform there's 'bottomless' barrel there.
21:18 mp_en_viaje yah, imagine man of the futuretrying to do tlp-adnotation on trilema.
21:18 asciilifeform hey archaeologists aint even done ~reading~ e.g. k. f. gauss, last i knew
21:18 mp_en_viaje i'd be curious to see what mechanical panopticons they built to help with the process, because trying to flatten the web of reference and context is quite the expexplosion.
21:19 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, aha. mostly gave up afaik.
21:19 asciilifeform ( and gauss, did not even have typewriter ! )
21:19 mp_en_viaje this is also the problem -- not webfacing.
21:19 asciilifeform 'royal society minutes' sorta web-facing. yet not even this, i suspect, 100% read yet.
21:19 asciilifeform esp. by folx w/ a clue.
21:20 mp_en_viaje i expect not/
21:20 mp_en_viaje funny thing is, ~only known method to getting a clue is same.
21:20 mp_en_viaje hence ~reading~ at oxford.
21:20 asciilifeform is how one gets 'a clue', neh. from them clue-mines.
21:21 mp_en_viaje (no joke but plainest deadpan : original conception of ur-anglouniversity was attempt to read buried texts of classics)
21:21 asciilifeform nobody cancelled it..
21:22 * asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around.
21:24 * asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
21:24 ossabot Logged on 2017-01-09 23:11:59 mircea_popescu: is this where your hatred of cyclotrons was nursed ?
21:26 asciilifeform i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al.
21:26 mp_en_viaje the french had an equiv problem, "lavoisier equipment too expensive, why tells us we are poor"
21:26 asciilifeform 100y after, aha
21:26 mp_en_viaje fact of the matter is that if you wanna write about frankfrurt, you eitehr go to frankfurt or stfu.
21:26 asciilifeform but the crack in the pavement apparently started w/ boyle's.
21:27 mp_en_viaje there's no room for "i feel my dick should be able to go where mp's goes on the grounds of... well, it being MY dick"
21:27 asciilifeform d00d's air pump was worse 'craftsman voodoo' than just about anyffing today.
21:27 asciilifeform for a period, ~nobody could properly replicate.
21:27 mp_en_viaje for a period nobody could properly replicate anything. in ru this extended to like 1955
21:28 asciilifeform fella is today 'mega-chemist' , but he did not even publish recipe for his sealing cement (apparently used rotten cheese or some wtf) and folx were stuck reverse-engineering.
21:29 asciilifeform such poor was the sealant, that he ended up keeping the old controversy of 'horror vacui' alive (vessel wouldn't stay evacuated)
21:29 mp_en_viaje what next, "astronomy should be limited to what all men can see with own eyes", part and parcel of "service should be in whatever barbarbar my mommy spoke to me" ?
21:30 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: that'd be 1 tard-extreme ( illustrated by hobbes. )
21:30 mp_en_viaje myeah
21:30 asciilifeform ( other extreme, is today's 'shuddup, cern can physics and y'all go home, slice-lengthwise!11' )
21:30 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945102 - as per this and given the diff notes, still needs changes & re-deed
21:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 13:47:47 mp_en_viaje: 100% same thing or no good
21:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-13 16:29:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
21:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: can you post your amended ver. plox ? i'ma diff, read, sign .
21:32 diana_coman uhm, then why did I dump changes in log, lolz.
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21:32 mp_en_viaje you can physics just fine. go, figure out magnetism. you can't, however, high energy particle physics without EITHER the high energy particles or an einsteinian knack for clueless prophecy / newtonian grasp on maths. but even if 2nd lobe, still will need 1st lobe confirmation. this is unavoidable.
21:32 diana_coman will do it tomorrow if needed, ok.
21:32 asciilifeform diana_coman: is '32' the only omission ?
21:32 diana_coman asciilifeform: see from there down, there's a few more, arguably more important too
21:32 * asciilifeform loox again
21:34 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe.
21:34 asciilifeform as it is i've abused deedbot .
21:34 diana_coman asciilifeform: ok.
21:36 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx.
21:36 mp_en_viaje the one remaining major impediment to actually bringing eulora back up is that... well, gotta find actual dc. and eh... eulora being game server has all sorta code we intend to stay secret ~permanently~, it's not so simple.
21:37 mp_en_viaje pizarro failure hurts not merely technologically, but also custodianly.
21:37 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: at this rate, the sad dc asciilifeform decided to move his www to (bmor) might be the 1st to stand up. and it's ungodly slow.
21:37 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, this is pretty much so. i know of no actual physicists still working.
21:38 mp_en_viaje there's the conference remnants, greatly beloved for purely prop-qualities, hawkings et al. but no real muscle left.
21:38 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i know some ~ex~ physicists. but they're all 80yo d00dz whose 'work' mainly is to water their gardens nao.
21:38 mp_en_viaje right.
21:38 asciilifeform h died.
21:38 asciilifeform ( last yr iirc )
21:38 mp_en_viaje a ? must've been a blow to the rubber chicken salesmen.
21:39 asciilifeform well consider, you didn't notice that he was dead. wasn't much of a runner in recent decades.
21:40 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: 'stay seekrit 4evah' coades prolly oughta run from ramdisk, imho.
21:40 asciilifeform ( feed it in when box powers up. )
21:41 mp_en_viaje sure, but a box locked by a wot man offers the golden standard.
21:41 asciilifeform there's no beating this , tru
21:41 asciilifeform ( but ideal, 'wot man' + 'from ramdisk' imho still. )
21:41 mp_en_viaje sure.
21:41 asciilifeform that way if dc roof caves or whatnot, and street urchings gather up the rubble...
21:42 mp_en_viaje ideal is jam on toast. without jam, can have toast. without toast, can have oral sex.
21:42 asciilifeform 'without mouth...'
21:42 mp_en_viaje nfi what the fuck we'll do, but anyways. "being worked up-on"
21:48 * asciilifeform rages re the bmoar people, wtf, asked'em simple q : 'how does ddos play into yer per-packet billing scheme' prior to subscribing simple box w/ own www ; nao 3d waiting for answer...
21:48 asciilifeform 'answers' included 'i must ask the boss, thank you for patience' etc claptrap.
21:49 asciilifeform if this carries on , i'ma send it to maxim's
21:49 asciilifeform still want a reach-with-hands 'postbox' tho !
21:50 asciilifeform and this is merely asciilifeform's human www , which direly needs moving, not even speaking of mighty boxen w/ dozens of cpu etc
21:51 mp_en_viaje what do you mean "how does it play into" ? it'
21:51 mp_en_viaje s self evident, you pay.
21:51 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: aa, but they have claptrap re 'ddos proof'
21:51 mp_en_viaje yes, through this avenue.
21:52 asciilifeform and 'fixed 10m pipe w/ burstings', sat for 4hrs reading various lit and still no definitive 'here's how these work' to show for it
21:52 mp_en_viaje you can ask for burst to turn off.
21:52 mp_en_viaje all this is pretty standard fare in the biz.
21:52 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: even 'ha, you pay' comes in 2 variants, 'you get bill for $bil' and 'your acct empties in 5sec' , would at least like to know which before signing.
21:53 mp_en_viaje this is much better q, no need to wait 3 day for answer.
21:53 mp_en_viaje see how magic works ?
21:53 asciilifeform ikr!
21:53 asciilifeform and i asked'em in this very wording. and 'pleez sir have patience..' was output.
21:53 mp_en_viaje ask adequate qs, get faster answers ; ask self-world q, get time-wait penalty.
21:53 mp_en_viaje ah ? then dunno.
21:53 asciilifeform fuckinsnails.
21:54 asciilifeform 'crawl, crawl, snail, on mt fuji, till you reach the very top...' (jp, 15th c.)
21:55 mp_en_viaje re the ddos thing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944835 : i believe it likely ~same dork who started original pizarro troubles ; whatever birthday hundy his mommy gave him was enough for occasional 2Gbps bursts, sub-minute in length, and otherwise 4-5Mbpm sustained over a few mins, and otherwise whole fuel tank good for ~half a day or so.
21:55 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 07:50:10 mp_en_viaje: aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc
21:55 mp_en_viaje unmolested hence, very much 100% redditard fare.
21:55 asciilifeform i cannot blame woodpecker, for cardboard house.
21:55 asciilifeform woodpecker -- part of landscape.
21:56 mp_en_viaje so it is.
21:56 mp_en_viaje but is now in the record, i do believe original item did exist, pizarro didn't end up plugged out of thin air.
21:56 mp_en_viaje was, actually, one woodpecker.
21:56 * asciilifeform buys
21:56 asciilifeform !!up baitbot
21:56 deedbot baitbot voiced for 30 minutes.
21:56 asciilifeform !q uptime
21:56 baitbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 6d 0h 25m
21:56 asciilifeform ^ this still lulzy.
21:56 diana_coman heh, asciilifeform, lemme replay here my note that yes, it's easy to block them and they won't come back with reply either because http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-12#1005834
21:56 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, the point is *before* anything; because they won't quite want to say/admit "yes, you pay for us to disconnect you" but onth if they say "no, we don't", they are in a bigger pickle when they do so...
21:56 mp_en_viaje pretty sure it was to large degree handcranked / eyes supervision.
21:57 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: likely.
21:57 asciilifeform diana_coman: i wonder whether my entire inquiry hit the dustbin cuz mentioned 'ddos' at all.
21:58 asciilifeform 'this d00d is ddos magnet ? do we want this'
22:00 mp_en_viaje quite likely, yes.
22:00 diana_coman I have to admit that after a while I had at least fun asking them this sort of direct questions with no-possible-reasonable-answer-oh-noez
22:00 mp_en_viaje "this dood seems tirekicker on low budet who now says deadwords."
22:01 asciilifeform naturally they'd prefer folx who walk in with 10k/mo and not ask difficult q's..
22:02 diana_coman given how many there are though, I can't quite imagine this mythical "so many customers, can afford to turn down this one who says she wants several boxes, possibly rack"; nevertheless...
22:03 mp_en_viaje anyway, unrelatedly : for the folk awaiting trilema publication of divers reports, as were implicitly due for q3 sometime early october : i had every intention of doing them, if not by the 5th day as trad. absolute value at least sorta by 15th (as scaled value, 3x the months, 3x5 days) or something. but then, whole pizaro debacle, adding to the fact that i'm traveling and that's never so fixed a schedule (for instance, i was orig supposed to be in m
22:03 mp_en_viaje unchen till yest etc) resulted in a delay.
22:03 mp_en_viaje i still intend to publish, tentatively set for early nov.
22:03 asciilifeform diana_coman: this partic. shop appears to be a monopoly in ~400km radius of asciilifeform's chair. ( all the other dc, serve only lulazon, usg, etc )
22:03 mp_en_viaje apologies to anyone's inconvenience from this.
22:05 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, not problem of so many customers, but of so few. remnant poblems, see.
22:08 * asciilifeform was mildly surprised to have unearthed ~even that~ 1 dc
22:08 asciilifeform it's like they all died of plague in last decade.
22:09 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940120 << is this when pizarro became inaccessible ? or more like late 3rd ? i seem to recall
22:09 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-04 12:59:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone appears to be hopping around and hitting addresses. DDoS is an unsolved problem.
22:10 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, they pretty much did.
22:10 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: went down for-good on 6 oct. 0130 hrs (nyc time) .
22:10 mp_en_viaje yes but i mean start, not end.
22:11 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: 'bumps' in the pipe began full week prior. initially latech 'explained away' as 'problem w/ upstream router', recall.
22:11 asciilifeform when.
22:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-02 18:37:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Issue with an upstream switch is the report.
22:11 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940121 this pair seems the earliest actual report
22:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-04 12:59:53 asciilifeform: atm that meter's fucking running but the taxi aint movin'!!
22:11 mp_en_viaje anyways.
22:12 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: 1st swallow of spring , there .
22:12 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-25 16:55:08 asciilifeform: achtung panzers! piz pipe down ?!
22:13 mp_en_viaje depending how deeply one searches, there were scattered reports for 6week+ of short blinks (which eventually drove an inquiry into latech etc)
22:13 asciilifeform indeed. iirc that ^ 1 was the 1st long enuff to throw the logger on dulap tho .
22:13 mp_en_viaje aha
22:13 asciilifeform prev. outages, evidently, <30s ea.
22:14 asciilifeform no one even knows how many of those.
22:14 asciilifeform logger is 'canary in mine'.
22:14 mp_en_viaje more like 2-3 s yeah
22:15 asciilifeform those, asciilifeform naively wrote off as 'congestion' , aha
22:17 mp_en_viaje http://trilema.com/2019/naked-sluts-in-hotel-rooms-a-frank-discussion-of-harem-sexuality-the-warm-pubic-reception-of-the-general-public-and-other-typos/?b=this%20here%20is&e=now%20on#select other reference, for completeness
22:17 asciilifeform to complete the chronology : the 1st outage long enuff to nuke asciilifeform's monitor shell (i.e. >5m) was on oct 4 .
22:17 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-04 12:53:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aaand my shells finally fell.
22:18 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, i think we see ~same thing, yeh.
22:18 asciilifeform aha
22:19 asciilifeform ( before there was a asciilifeform logger, the 'mine canary' was that shell, scrolling stats 24/7 since asciilifeform got off plane from pizistan )
22:19 asciilifeform continuously, discounting that 1 episode w/ elbows.
22:20 asciilifeform until sep 25 .
22:23 mp_en_viaje meanwhile in enduring argentina lulz : bitcoin trading now illegal in germany, as per some derpy "state" "authority" of theirs.
22:24 asciilifeform lol! are they tryin' to set up a 'chinese' 'ban on tuesday, load up at discount, unban on thursday, unload on friday, repeat' 4cycle engine ?
22:25 mp_en_viaje possibly
22:26 asciilifeform germany's the arkansas of eu, innit. errything banned there... 'wolfenstein' prolly still banned.
22:26 mp_en_viaje what else is a following for, if not tryina arbitrage it against the only eternal thing ?
22:26 asciilifeform iirc even vitamin c demands doctor's orders to buy there.
22:26 mp_en_viaje there is necessarily no difference between ANY pretend-sovereign and any other, angela merkel ==== usagi, theresa may === kludge etc etc.
22:27 asciilifeform well like in other nuthouses there's the 'quiet' tards an'the 'loud' tards. but beyond that, aha, what diff can there be
22:28 mp_en_viaje every instagram whore's gonna try and trade "followers" for a steak at my table, it's the nature of female youth.
22:29 * asciilifeform bbl:meat exercises.
22:38 mp_en_viaje in other lulz, apparently trilema more widely read in argentina than uruguay
22:38 mp_en_viaje rather proportional to their 10:1 population, actually.
22:38 mp_en_viaje must suck to read trilema from "Argentina is highly urbanized, with 92% of its population living in cities"
22:39 mp_en_viaje if pigsties were called cities, pigs would be just as "highly urbanized"
~ 17 minutes ~
22:56 BingoBoingo I am not sure that what has come to be Urbanity in 2019 is not exactly exercises in swine keeping.
~ 25 minutes ~
23:22 BingoBoingo Also Kurds announce deal with Assad. Couple dozen US troops apparently trapped between Kurds/Assad and Turks.
~ 35 minutes ~
23:57 mp_en_viaje ahahaha
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