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00:28 billymg hey all
00:30 billymg BingoBoingo: i took a snapshot of my blog db when piz briefly came back after the unexpected outage, and i have local copies of my patches (i see diana_coman mirrored the mp-wp patches, but i also have the mp-wp-tests patches)
00:31 billymg it would still be nice to get a copy of some of the directories on my old rk if i'm not too late
00:31 BingoBoingo billymg: Aite, I have your Rockchip drive. GPG me what you want
00:32 billymg sure, one sec
00:33 * BingoBoingo going over local contract law again. Tristan Narvaja produced some gems. Art. 1273. La violencia moral no afectará la validez del contrato, sino cuando por la condición de la persona, su carácter, hábitos y sexo, pueda juzgarse que ha debido naturalmente hacerle una fuerte impresión. Tampoco afectará la validez de los contratos el mero temor reverencial.
00:37 lobbes pretty lulzy re: keycard BingoBoingo. Good thing you grabbed irons indeed
00:43 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944415 << I see what you mean, and this makes sense. In that case, I must confess I have not spent my time here in carolinastan taking ownership of the place. Certainly have not made and BTC/fiat interface contacts, which I do see now as foolish.
00:43 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-10 07:48:20 mp_en_viaje: ownership of a place is a thing.
00:43 lobbes I fell into ill thinking in which I reasoned that since I don't want to live here ~forever~ and that I don't really like the place that I am content with being a hermit for the time being.
00:43 lobbes But this is faulty reasoning; e.g. mp_en_viaje sure as fuck didn't like Argentina yet knew that place inside and out (which is how he even came to the conclusion that it sucked so hard in the first place)
00:44 billymg BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=WBGH
00:44 billymg BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XjKL < and the key
00:46 billymg lobbes: yeah, this resonated with me http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1941999
00:46 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:45 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.
00:47 billymg i've been so lost in corporate world these past few years it's all i know, and vow not to make the same mistake once i jump the fence
00:49 BingoBoingo billymg: Aite. I'll try to have these tarballed GPG'd and uploaded within the next 24 hours. Will let you know if I have any issues.
00:49 lobbes billymg, right? Ditto, though I ought to start talking to more people regardless of where I am. Sure it is 'easier' to just not talk to people, but the easy things are easy for a reason
00:49 lobbes in other news, my second server is finally provisioned. I'm off to resurrect auctionbot and blog!
00:51 billymg lobbes: i don't know if this is any defense but i find when try to talk to people here i'm met with http://63.80.184.72/blog/influence.html
00:52 billymg anything i _want_ to talk about, they absolutely _do not_ want to talk about
00:52 billymg it's very discouraging
00:52 billymg BingoBoingo: ty, and no rush
00:53 billymg i'm gonna be out all next week
00:56 lobbes billymg: oya, I encounter that as well, which is what leads to my hermit behavior I find ("meh, I don't even enjoy hanging with that guy; would rather just be alone"). But part of networking I suppose is just dealing with it and making the effort. Not like BingoBoingo had to be best buds with his bicycle guy contact, either
00:58 billymg yeah, for sure
01:00 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944720 << the correct reasoning is to observe that since you don't intend to stay, therefore mistakes are cheap.
01:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-10 20:43:35 lobbes: I fell into ill thinking in which I reasoned that since I don't want to live here ~forever~ and that I don't really like the place that I am content with being a hermit for the time being.
01:00 lobbes this is a golden point I hadn't considered
01:00 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944721 << this is so.
01:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-10 20:43:42 lobbes: But this is faulty reasoning; e.g. mp_en_viaje sure as fuck didn't like Argentina yet knew that place inside and out (which is how he even came to the conclusion that it sucked so hard in the first place)
01:02 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944716 << o ya, the attempt of the roman law folk to make sense out of the world, their structure of terms of art etc, lulzy goldmine
01:02 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-10 20:33:35 BingoBoingo: going over local contract law again. Tristan Narvaja produced some gems. Art. 1273. La violencia moral no afectará la validez del contrato, sino cuando por la condición de la persona, su carácter, hábitos y sexo, pueda juzgarse que ha debido naturalmente hacerle una fuerte impresión. Tampoco afectará la validez de los contratos el mero temor reverencial.
01:03 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944732 << it's why the ~many~ is in there.
01:03 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-10 20:52:13 billymg: it's very discouraging
01:05 billymg as in, gotta talk to 1000 to find the one human?
01:06 mp_en_viaje yeah, say hi to 1000 to find 100 to ask how their day;s been to find 10 to ask a 2ns question to to find one...
01:07 mp_en_viaje you ever read http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/ ?
01:07 billymg makes sense
01:07 billymg yeah, pretty sure at some point i did
01:07 * billymg re-reads
01:08 mp_en_viaje mkay, how discouraging is it ?
01:08 mp_en_viaje why the fuck would it be discouraging, it's not like i went in caring about the retards
01:08 mp_en_viaje i went in trying to figure out if i care or not.
01:11 billymg ah yeah, i remember this one now, lots of good lulz in there
01:13 billymg i see what you're saying, and it's not fear of rejection or anything like that, it's sadness. like when i realize that even my own family/close friends will never get it
01:13 billymg and not just never get it, but never even want to
01:14 mp_en_viaje why should they ?
01:15 billymg because isn't that the point? try to figure out how the world works and get it to work for you
01:15 mp_en_viaje ok, for you. but why should ~they~ ?
01:17 billymg well, because some of them actually seem very intelligent, and seem like they'd be pretty good at it, if they cared
01:17 billymg for the majority, sure, play with iphone all day
01:18 mp_en_viaje so why don't they care then ?
01:19 billymg comfort, i think they know what it means to care, and it means a loss of comfort
01:19 mp_en_viaje well so why should you want intelligent people to be uncomfortable.
01:21 billymg selfish reasons i suppose. that they might enlist and help the republic shape the world into what it should be
01:21 mp_en_viaje moreover, why should you be discouraged at intelligent peoples' comfort.
01:22 billymg it's not their comfort that's discouraging, it's their ranking of it above all else
01:22 mp_en_viaje well, do you ?
01:23 billymg rank comfort above all else for myself, personally
01:23 billymg ?
01:23 mp_en_viaje yeah
01:23 billymg perhaps higher than i should, but it's never been at the top
01:24 mp_en_viaje seems to me a lot like being discouraged in a fine pint of dark stout that some people drink budweiser. i never heard of this.
01:24 mp_en_viaje "oh, but this is bitter" yeah "we like sweet beer ourselves" ok so have some.
01:26 billymg aha
01:26 billymg if that's their preference, don't waste the energy or the thought on it
01:26 billymg find those whose preferences align with yours, more productive
01:26 billymg or don't, continue to enjoy your dark stout regardless
01:27 mp_en_viaje i mean, you know, it's one thing to say "dude, you're wasting your mouth with that swill, try some beer". but if they don't like it, why can't they just carry on with whatever, what diff could it possibly make.
01:28 billymg true
01:32 mp_en_viaje much easier to seek than to fix. digging through millions may seem discouraging, on the surfce, because it takes months.
01:32 mp_en_viaje but fixing humans takes decades.
01:37 * billymg nods
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02:36 lobbes http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... another trilema
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03:02 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in regional church happenings
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03:37 lobbes BingoBoingo: your link did not make it through
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04:22 BingoBoingo lobbes: You are going to have to return a more specific error.
04:26 BingoBoingo Specifically, you are going to have to link a more specific label than "link" to you you need. Also what did the link not make it through?
04:34 lobbes BingoBoingo: I should have entered verbose mode. I assumed your line "Meanwhile in regional church happenings" was meant to be followed by some link to regional lulz
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05:10 BingoBoingo ah http://archive.is/vnVgC ty lobbes
05:10 BingoBoingo Apparently there is still one thing Paraguay produces in a more traditional manner than Uruguay
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05:52 lobbes lol, the magic omnibus
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07:53 lobbes !Xview 1061
07:53 auctionbot Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]
07:53 lobbes auctionbot lives again
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08:33 spyked http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944605 <-- lol. these should be all of them for now. will have to fix the local trackbacks next, which will result in another deluge, this time on own blog.
08:33 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-10 11:50:25 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, no, just spyked sent a buncha trackbacks
08:35 spyked in related news, thetarpit.org will soon point to the same site as wp.thetarpit.org ; I'll temporarily disable thetarpit's feedbot feed while sorting this out, so I avoid any potential spam while at it
08:38 spyked http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals
08:38 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-09 12:18:31 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically
08:41 spyked http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940643 <-- I'll look into this as soon as I finish publishing the current mpwp work. though by the looks of it, the scp method works also works fine. fwiw I've been using it since 2013.
08:41 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-05 06:32:26 mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
08:43 * spyked bbl, saeculum and afterwards will write this week's report.
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10:19 girlattorney Hi, would you consider colo in north brazil?
10:20 diana_coman !!reputation girlattorney
10:20 deedbot http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QCLU
10:21 diana_coman girlattorney: are you based in north brazil? do you know them there or what are you offering exactly?
10:24 diana_coman girlattorney: to put it plainly, from my pov there is currently nothing wrong as such with north brazil but nothing particularly right either; if you want to interface with some dc there, go ahead.
10:25 girlattorney i don't think it would be appropriate, it's a very home made facility
10:25 girlattorney i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup
10:25 diana_coman girlattorney: so have him come over, register a key, talk to people, why not
10:25 diana_coman presumably he is trying to grow a business there or what?
10:26 diana_coman that shared private guard is the lulz of time; how does that work?
10:26 girlattorney there are 3 fazendas
10:27 girlattorney everyone with cameras and barb wire, still, thugs are a real thing, so these 3 fazendas have a single guard that live there and control the zone
10:27 diana_coman so it's compound-guard rather than private
10:28 diana_coman is he trying to build a business or is this just his private server or what?
10:29 girlattorney private server, depending on POV, the good or bad thing is that there is no state, bribery is the gold standard with authorities, and basically if it wants to build another facility in his area, he hasn't too much hassles with permissions
10:30 diana_coman that is not a problem in itself; I was just trying to figure out what he's trying to do there, that's all.
10:30 diana_coman girlattorney: best to get him register a key and come and talk really.
10:31 girlattorney i'll try to register him, is not very good with english. two negative points: hot as fuck and logistic is quite complicated
10:31 diana_coman well, if he is willing to handle all the local stuff, weather & logistics included, why not.
10:32 girlattorney i'll first ask how much costs a dedi link per mbit, as i suppose you are looking for at least 100 mbit, right?
10:32 diana_coman if on the other hand he is busy with something else, there's no need to bother, let him do whatever he is busy with.
10:34 diana_coman girlattorney: the main thing is re interoperation with republican systems and standards
10:35 diana_coman if he can't/won't do that, then the rest doesn't matter, there's no need to waste time
10:35 girlattorney ok, got it, will check
10:35 diana_coman pretty much the first hurdle is wot and invoice via deedbot
10:35 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ?
10:37 diana_coman girlattorney: maybe pop over in #o for a bit
10:38 girlattorney what's the purpose of o?
10:39 diana_coman girlattorney: younghands.club has it in the about page really; the thing is that this is not really the best place for any & all talk.
10:43 diana_coman girlattorney: for that matter you can see the logs of the chan too on any of the working loggers.
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11:50 mp_en_viaje aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc
11:51 mp_en_viaje Oct 11 12:41:55 <mp_en_viaje> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944785 << in the manner or of the kind of a deluge.
11:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-10 22:36:52 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... another trilema
11:51 mp_en_viaje Oct 11 12:45:59 * mp_en_viaje has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
11:51 mp_en_viaje never made it in
11:52 mp_en_viaje this is supposedly resistant, let's see how well it holds up.
11:54 mp_en_viaje aww, holding up just fine ? but son... i r disappoint.
11:56 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy.
11:56 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]
11:56 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944800 << good idea.
11:56 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 04:38:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals
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13:48 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944811 << so why isn't the friend you know here ?
13:48 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 06:25:21 girlattorney: i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup
13:48 mp_en_viaje and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE
13:48 mp_en_viaje dork.
13:53 mp_en_viaje spyked, you know, still getting trilema trackbacks from your articles ; i suspect you prolly still haven't sent all.
13:55 spyked hm... I thought the trackback sender just picks the links (when pressing "update post") and sends 'em, but it might have some timer or something. I'm doing local trackbacks as we speak and some trackbacks to my own posts arrive immediately, while some not
13:56 mp_en_viaje the trackbacking thing prolly deserves rewriting, it proved very friable in practice.
13:56 mp_en_viaje the only fire-sure way i know is to use the bash extractor
13:57 mp_en_viaje http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << item produces a complete list of all possible trackbacks, one per line in a self-contained bash command.
13:58 mp_en_viaje this means that simply iterating through the list will reduce the holes and in a finite number of steps have sent all.
13:58 mp_en_viaje but i still beleive the trackback system's broken (actually -- i believe the existence of the bash proves it must be)
14:00 spyked mp_en_viaje, I looked at that, but since I had links in the old format (e.g. /posts/y01/some-post.html), I also have to update those for local trackbacks to be accepted. then I'll use the trilema script for the second pass, altho... yeah, normally that wouldn't be necessary
14:01 spyked I'm at least curious to determine what trackbacks it hasn't sent. or whether xmlrpc.php responded with some error message. as it is, I don't know what's happening there
14:07 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/the-slut-and-the-whore/ << Trilema -- The slut, and the whore.
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14:32 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944842 << wai lulzy? (it was responding to my !Xview command, btw. as demonstration that alive again with original data)
14:32 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-11 10:55:14 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy.
14:32 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]
14:32 lobbes anyhoot, light logs this morning. Good thing there's a trilema to read with breakfast
14:34 mp_en_viaje spyked, would be interesting to know what it doesn't send or why, but from decade experience it leaves some behind
14:35 mp_en_viaje lobbes, well because menawhile thing got evac'd.
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14:56 lobbes aa
15:01 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: what shall we do with the s.mg servers hw+system-wise?
15:01 diana_coman to give an idea of what's the issue here:
15:01 diana_coman 1. we don't actually have a running and tested + everything needed Cuntoo yet
15:02 diana_coman 2. current production server will NOT run on cuntoo either, even if available (because still needs dynamic + CS & Cal3d that are iffy)
15:02 diana_coman 3. for as long as CS esp is not yet *fully* excised out of the dev/test server, that might *also * need non-Cuntoo
15:02 diana_coman 4. previously, with pizarro, BOTH servers essentially ran on very specific, alf-made hardware + system
15:03 mp_en_viaje i tell you i don't fucking know.
15:03 diana_coman so while I have backups of both production and test systems and code and all that, I don't really know what to aim for here exactly
15:04 mp_en_viaje to try and separate the skeins of the problem :
15:04 mp_en_viaje 1. it seems to me that as a matter of principle, and for all its supposed benefits touted by the so inclined, custom hardware is not a practicable course in business.
15:04 diana_coman I suppose in the best-ideal-great path, I could say : map all dependencies and make the move to cuntoo but this is essentially taking on another mountain of work with unclear everything.
15:04 mp_en_viaje sooner or later the proponents will discover "they're poor" or however this is called more generally, and "they were only advising" or whatever you'd phrase it, "they were just saying in principle".
15:05 mp_en_viaje i see a very thick red line uniting my experience buying a case of very valuable and very needed items that turned out to be entirely useless and practically worthless, and my experience of not being able to actually provide eulora public service.
15:06 mp_en_viaje alf's own "i bought symbolics gear" fits right in here, just because the crap seems, or may be made to seem, important or relevant through discourse does not make it either actually important or actually relevant.
15:08 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: tbh the way I see it is that commercial enterprise may rely on "custom-made" only to the extent that it owns that production line since otherwise sooner or later it's bound to find itself stranded as far as I can tell.
15:13 mp_en_viaje so as my current thinking goes, attemptingto run business on anything other or besides commodity hardware is ~= editing locally saved copies of websites. it works fine enough -- until you reload.
15:17 diana_coman darn
15:21 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, as far as any practical concern goes, we owned pizarro just fine. ownership is not the problem ; but customization puts undue power in the hand of the "Craftsman", who will imediatelly turn around to fuck you over.
15:21 mp_en_viaje because he has sexier things to do than what you need ; and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that you're hur
15:21 mp_en_viaje t by buying into his idiocy, therefore he believes "nobody could accuse" his idiocy of not having any substance, and therefore (he reasons), clearly his idiocy was in fact sexy.
15:21 mp_en_viaje if instead of doing business with a business that supposedly retained / was run by / whatever, expert craftsmen, we just hired them ourselves, we'd have been in the same exact posture. just like the man opted to not do the work of his business he'd have opted to not do the work of his employment -- arbitrarily, unreviewedly, disavowedly, and if you want ten volumes or ten shelves' worth of cover-up whine, you may be provided.
15:21 mp_en_viaje what you WILL NOT be provided with, however, come hell or high water, is actually reliable custom solutions. they'll only appear to be working for as long as it takes you to swallow the hook, and not any longer.
15:21 mp_en_viaje also, this luzyiness -- so my pipe occasionally saturates, which may make a freenode ping not make it through, which is ENOUGH
15:21 mp_en_viaje dumbest design i ever heard of, freenode service can be denied notwithstanding my pipe is fucking fine.
15:22 mp_en_viaje "as long as you don't get this one magic packet in a stream, connection's dead".
15:22 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented.
15:23 mp_en_viaje i can't bring up eulora.
15:24 asciilifeform cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.
15:24 mp_en_viaje as things stand right now, in point of fact as diana_coman might well point out, the ~one argument available from strict minigame pov as to why even get test server there was "save on the hassle of trying to reproduce env".
15:25 mp_en_viaje and, as a general point, living in environments this elaborate is expensive and dangerous.
15:25 asciilifeform yest. put in documentation for 100% of the 'evil custom env.'
15:25 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944670 .
15:25 asciilifeform hrm wrong link
15:25 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944670 .
15:25 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-10 18:40:22 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit.txt
15:26 diana_coman asciilifeform: yes, but I need to get precisely same hardware too, that opteron etc.
15:26 asciilifeform diana_coman: nope. all you need is a box with empty space, for instance ~any 2u.
15:27 asciilifeform evidently i bungled even this doc. ( what other docs that i published, apparently made 0 sense ? )
15:27 diana_coman asciilifeform: eh, recompile kernel to fit that, at the very least, no?
15:27 asciilifeform diana_coman: if intel then recompile . if amd, will run as given.
15:28 diana_coman hm, I suppose now I'll have to test it on various amd I have around
15:28 mp_en_viaje this is certainly worth checking to exhaustion, because, obviously (and if not obviously, stated above), pizarro's failure is not merely a business matter, but also has serious intellectual repercussions.
15:28 asciilifeform what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type.
15:28 mp_en_viaje so, i guess 1 can lay pending for a while, see what comes of this test.
15:29 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, yes, but the problem is with "specified type".
15:29 mp_en_viaje not with the this-or-that.
15:30 mp_en_viaje IF one buys on the principle of customization, rather than commodification, THEREFORE one also buys the downstream. and, upon examination rather than theory, the downstream shows itself more expensive than thought, and may yet show itself more expensive than humanly sustainable.
15:30 diana_coman asciilifeform: if I got this straight, you say the "specific" here is simply "any amd" , right?
15:30 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here.
15:30 asciilifeform diana_coman: the config as given is amdistic correct.
15:31 mp_en_viaje i had no objection to the run -- and paid for it ; pizarro failed. the expectation that this may be sustained in the general will need more bones and tears than mere "oh, socialism good idea poorly applied" level nonsense.
15:32 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched.
15:33 mp_en_viaje i was not discussing fg specifically nor do i intend to in this context.
15:33 mp_en_viaje now, to continue the original diana_coman q : it seems maybe we don't have to answer this in any definitive sense just yet
15:33 mp_en_viaje so let's revisit it once more when you have an answer to the above.
15:33 diana_coman now ofc how the fuck to "test to exhaustion" here, not like I have the full range of amd and I'm not living in a dc either, ugh.
15:34 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st.
15:34 mp_en_viaje your extaustion not its exhaustion.
15:35 asciilifeform none claimed.
15:36 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, that work ?
15:38 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: I am hesitating re my exhaustion because I'm not sure that is much of a measure otherwise; sure, I can and will try it at least on what I already have and if it works, there is at least that data.
15:43 mp_en_viaje dia i don't propose you should die with that horse. give it a fair run down, and report.
15:43 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944894 << until you'll be too old to move ? like it was the case of symbolics folk ?
15:43 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 11:24:30 asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.
15:43 asciilifeform if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
15:44 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG .
15:44 diana_coman asciilifeform: why do you keep going on about the FG. Nobody said the FG were the trouble, wtf.
15:44 mp_en_viaje incidentally, this "ping" design whereby ONE PACKET stands for the connection, and if it is lost you're dc'd is so fucking dumb
15:44 mp_en_viaje i hope it will die with irc/freenode and not be perpetuated.
15:44 mp_en_viaje hear ye hear ye.
15:45 asciilifeform diana_coman: it was brought up and i'm answerable for it, by oath.
15:46 mp_en_viaje so my megapipe is occasionally overwhelmed. so what. "oh, if you're receiving 2Gbps just when freenode decided to issue ping, you've a 50-50 shot at an exact equialent of latechco technology of blackholing, you have to remake the whle fucking connection" holy shit where the fuck do they crawl from
15:46 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: loox like hooligan might be sending forced tcp close in 'your' ip .
15:46 asciilifeform doesn't even need 1mb/s
15:46 asciilifeform *forged
15:46 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, no, it's a simple statistical thing, occasionally manages to spew out enough junk so that the magic freenode packet is in the left out part of the spew
15:47 mp_en_viaje because obviously can't make 2gb fit in a 1gb slot
15:47 mp_en_viaje everything would be absolutely fine, if not for freenode misdesign, giving a damned ping packet too much power
15:47 asciilifeform tcp 'ftw'
15:48 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: I'll run it, as promised on all amd around, at the very least; will at least have *something* to say after that, I guess.
15:48 mp_en_viaje even tcp'd have been ok by itself. the "pingpacket" thing is dumb.
15:48 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, aite.
15:48 mp_en_viaje this weekend ?
15:48 diana_coman this freenode-issue is to my eyes quite close to the isp-issue really
15:49 mp_en_viaje aha.
15:49 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll start today and hopefully it won't take *that* long (no real idea though).
15:49 mp_en_viaje it's a broken fucking mindset keeps producing the same type of error, "oh, we blackholed it". duh. because why, because in the imaginary world they live in, the cost to that is arbitratrily and self-allotedly 0.
15:49 mp_en_viaje aite.
15:52 BingoBoingo So after playing dumb with the keys recieved this. After the running around part of the day's tasks plan to assemble something quoting chapter and verse while at the same time requesting we both work out a way to take this mess of a contract off our books in an amicable manner without making things more expensive than necessary. In no hurry to send anything off yet.
15:53 BingoBoingo But still no word on WTF with the keys
15:53 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944931 << i didn't sign up for pizarro service for a coupla years. i singed up for permanent, and built business around that assumption/
15:53 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 11:43:50 asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
15:53 mp_en_viaje now i am forced to rebuild, around new assumptions.
15:53 mp_en_viaje and i'd like to get the new assumptions -- if not correct ; at least closer to.
15:53 asciilifeform btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !
15:54 asciilifeform dun rely on 1 d00d w/ short life expectancy , like on phf. the instructions are there, and are to be used.
15:55 mp_en_viaje eventually ima hve to rely on something.
15:55 mp_en_viaje somewhere, down the line, eventually.
15:56 BingoBoingo <mp_en_viaje> eventually ima hve to rely on something. << In light of the current mess, probably a lot of somethings available readily in volume.
15:56 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, lmao, so they don't answer re your key but whine about your contract ?
15:56 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, sadly ; hence the opening of the discussion.
15:57 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: Indeed. It's like... WTF they don't expect folks to do their own manual labor and their don't expect folks to do their own reading either
15:57 mp_en_viaje "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
16:00 mp_en_viaje neways, ima bbl
16:00 BingoBoingo enjoy
16:01 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: I'm still inclined to assemble chapter and verse before firing off anything. Not like another up to 48 hours of their sweat is going to damage anything.
~ 36 minutes ~
16:37 BingoBoingo Meanwhile 34 KKKalifornia counties are going to lose power for up to 5 days in the name of safety. As the driving rain continues outside.
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16:58 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit << The Tar Pit -- Welcome to The Tar Pit! again.
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21:42 BingoBoingo http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944969 << Fired off variation of this. Changed breach to breaches.
21:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-11 11:57:49 mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
21:44 BingoBoingo Likely going to end up having to fabricate boxes fot the servers requesting shipping, aside from the "phd assembly line" aspect doable.
21:47 BingoBoingo Fellow in the local network has offered to make some introductions with respect to some potential future work oportunities in country.
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