#trilema | 2019-10-01

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939429 - you told it to me in pm once; I don't recall reading it somewhere else.

04:07

ossabot

Logged on 2019-09-30 20:05:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ?

~ 2 hours 37 minutes ~

06:45

diana_coman, oh, really ?

06:45

can ye fish it out lol

06:47

an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!!

~ 23 minutes ~

07:11

either plush the whips or whip the plushes by the sounds of it; lemme fish that out though iirc it was ~what you said to BingoBoingo yest, not much more to it

07:16

mp_en_viaje: found it; for bonus points it's in Romanian too, ofc

07:16

keks mkay.

07:25

mp_en_viaje: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/01/din-discutii-cu-bataie/

07:26

why ty!

07:27

mp_en_viaje: enjoy!

07:27

lol, poor asciilifeform will have to re-sync snsabot

07:27

keks i was just thinking

07:27

http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/01/din-discutii-cu-bataie/ << Ossa Sepia -- Din discutii cu bataie

~ 2 hours 57 minutes ~

10:25

http://trilema.com/2019/and-on-to-vienna/ << Trilema -- And on to Vienna...

~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~

11:33

<mp_en_viaje> an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!! << Probably the move is give the plushes the whips and arrange them into a party.

11:32

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asciilifeform synced , by hand, log

11:33

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asciilifeform aboutta reset bot, to eat new config, expect 45s of dead time

11:34

there we go.

11:38

the botlog barf, for enlightenment of others.

11:40

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asciilifeform abolishing the use of the dnsistic rotator in his bot. recommends to others to do same, and actually use the bot's rotator w/ known-good fleanode noads (granted there aint many)

11:41

currently set it to the 1 where lived for 40+ days. would say which, but would rather not have erryone hang from same 1

11:43

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asciilifeform brb:teatime

~ 43 minutes ~

12:26

wouldn't it be great if we had already own irc node, huh

12:38

net.

12:39

(just 1 noad aint gonna do anyffin useful in re seaworthiness, need at least 2)

12:44

that's like saying neah, still better swimming the ocean naked than having a boat, what's a boat gonna do, need at least 2!!1

12:44

diana_coman: irc net w/ 1 noad is moar like half a boat imho.

12:45

for same reason as when there was only 1 logger.

12:45

but tbf i dun see why making 2nd,3rd, irc noad, would be any harder than when we did 2nd, 3rd... logger.

12:46

ok, /me promises to let asciilifeform enjoy the salty water and not invite him to half-a-boat; makes some sense since admiral of half a boat is a bit silly, true.

12:46

aha, precisely; but dunno why you got at first stuck on the number, lol.

12:46

diana_coman: well i did invite folx to my half boat (august logger) so let's similarly.

12:47

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asciilifeform admits that when thinks 'half boat', thinks of herodotus's 'scaphism' punishment

12:47

asciilifeform: all right!

12:48

diana_coman: wasn't intended as an objection to the idea. simply that in asciilifeform's head, the main open q re irc noades is , how well does the 'net split' sync mechanism in existing servers, worx

12:50

(to experiment with this, need at least pair.)

12:50

we shall find out; when we have nodes; still starts with...1 node.

12:50

diana_coman: anyone has the 1 yet ? or still in the worx

12:51

lolz; not yet.

12:51

aite

12:56

grr diana_coman my comment was eaten

12:56

( i think because stray > )

12:56

diana_coman: plox to nuke, i'ma repost

12:57

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asciilifeform still thinks it aint right that can't use e.g. '<<' in a wp comment .

~ 25 minutes ~

13:23

asciilifeform: nuked as requested; and answrt.

13:30

Of mebbe historical interest to show the damaging effects of socialism https://i.redd.it/hdhrl6bfgyp31.jpg << Fireman's plaza 1934. Top left in the background is Palacio Salvo. To the right, Cerro and its fortification.

~ 19 minutes ~

13:50

ty diana_coman

14:04

so.many.pictures.

14:14

mp_en_viaje: re that 12mn schloss -- is that supposed to be a 'bargain' price ? i have nfi what these usually cost

14:14

i expect about fair, slightly overdone

14:15

( and, is it the kind mp_en_viaje described in old thread, where you gotta drill 3 metres of stone to put in toilet ? or already plumbed )

14:17

https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-83027-ghgew9/fairytale-castle-tradition-meets-modernity-other-lower-austria-la-4101 << specific item

14:18

43 Bedrooms 45 Full Bathrooms 5.8349 Acre(s)

14:18

nifty.

14:18

very likely will sell it in bitcoin if anyone cares enough to lean on thwem

14:19

now if you do the math, it comes to about same per bedroom-bathroom as the uruguay horrorshow

14:21

mp_en_viaje: what's austria like in re ameritardation ? ( iirc not yet in nato; but in practice, does it resist the usual idjicy ? )

14:22

nope

14:22

i mean... there's pic of me smoking indoors. is that enoguh answer ?

14:23

2km from asciilifeform's chair there's an indoor smokery. so that dun 100% answer. but otoh there's gotta be a reason why mp_en_viaje not already bought coupla austrian schlossen

14:24

da fuck do i want them for ?

14:24

they're not particular good deals, they're simply fair "waterlevel" so to speak. useful as a comparison point if one's confused.

14:24

nfi. but apparently did bother to window shop, neh

14:24

a.

14:25

was just continuing the uy real estate discussion

14:25

http://qntra.net/2019/10/trend-platforms-losing-free-labor-amid-political-pronoun-wars/ << Qntra -- Trend: "Platforms" Losing Free Labor Amid Political Pronoun Wars

14:25

happen to pass by, wasnt seeking it out

14:25

mp_en_viaje: iirc there were places with even cheaper schloss than ro, austria, etc. e.g. india. (but w/ the obv. problems)

14:26

I suspect something like the schloss takes ~1 girl/year a week to clean (give or take factor of 2 maybe 3 margin of error).

14:26

nfi how you reason.

14:27

if india has schloss then washington has engineering experts, whynot.

14:27

BingoBoingo, well, 45 bathrooms.

14:28

mp_en_viaje: well if a schloss aint a schloss unless built by at least a kurfurst -- then of course 0 in india. or cr.

14:29

right.

14:29

a) built at least by a kurfurst and b) within miles of A-1.

14:30

i ain't talking about bullshit rural nonsense, i want to get there at 120mph

14:30

if not possible, then a) not schloss and b) 50% discount indisputably

14:31

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asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje sizing up a flakturm for eurobase

14:32

they've convenient flat tops, too, could prolly get to it at 300mph in chopper..

14:34

returning to BingoBoingo's q tho, just how many hands does it take to fully crew a 40room thing ?

14:34

afaik only a dozen or so of those were ever built

14:35

asciilifeform, from experience, an item like depicted would take about a baker's dozen to dozen-an-half slavegirls dedicated to the premises.

14:35

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asciilifeform would expect it'd need at least dozen pairs of hands to keep from looking like tutankhamon's dusty tomb. but not expert

14:35

a.

14:35

if you're entertaining though, you'll need cooks, scullery maids, fluffers, cocksuckers, bedwarmers an' everything else.

14:36

aha. i was thinking of even skeleton crew.

14:36

which is part of the problem -- such an item is a terrible design for a working lordly manor, because very ineptly tiered to an overtly equalitarian flatworld.

14:36

prolly needs dozen+ just to maintain as a passable museum

14:36

you'd want dungeons, you'd want communal quarters for the plebs, you'd want all sorts of things.

14:36

mp_en_viaje: it's roughly same problem as crewing a surplus sovok submarine

14:37

(where'll you get the deck hands?)

14:37

and as you can see from the shots, all the furniture can simply be thrown out, who the fuck wants a tub looks like an overlarge vase.

14:37

not at all, submarine's tight and unpleasant because NECESSARILY flat.

14:38

not that flat (assuming comment is re org chart) , there's traditionally no fewer than 3 level

14:38

( in ww1 germany -- even 4 ! )

14:38

imo ideal design is more like 7 floors, going -3 dungeon -2 storage -1 garage 0 receiving 1 master's bedrooms 2 harem 3 servants 4 pools and amenties / terrace

14:38

aa, physical levels.

14:39

re submariens, no, i meant flat as in social hierarchy. commander's quarters aren't 100x the surface of midshipman.

14:40

these schloss things are more like overgrown bed&breakfast in practice, and i don't intend to run a motel.

14:43

e.g. sovok 'type 941' is almost what you'd want (iirc 7 decks) size-wise. but prolly bad deal for same reason as the austrian thing.

14:46

I suspect the reinforced concrete mid-rise tower would make decent bones for a near-ideal design. I've been watching one of these go up in the backyard. It's just a shame the floors always get divided in such equalitarian manners.

14:46

to be fair my design is so early i don't even have anything definite worth the mention. so perhaps.

14:48

The actual ferrocement structural components aside from the elevator shaft don't seem to be particularly limiting with respect to the floor layouts.

14:48

anyway, re typhoons : they're a 23x12meter oval 170ish meters long. this is fucking tiny wtf.

14:49

and a third of it has to be a nuclear reactor. i don't fucking want to have to operate a (marine!) nuclear reactor.

14:49

mp_en_viaje: came with 4 diesels , and i dun suppose the reactor gets sold at any rate. but if mp_en_viaje says 'too small', then too small, who am i to say.

14:50

your total usable floor space is not going to be over 500 sqm or so.

14:50

well asciilifeform never 1ce lived in anyffing remotely approaching 500 sqm, so possibly aint one to talk.

14:50

and meh diesels, if you don't nuclear why submarine, buy a boat.

14:51

my cr place is about there. it's not THAT big.

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asciilifeform aint by any rights qualified to design a schloss, cuz 'never inverted 10k x 10k matrix'

~ 3 hours 44 minutes ~

18:36

A bit more than an hour remains before te first Uruguayan presidential debate in 25 years.

~ 39 minutes ~

19:15

http://bingology.net/2019/10/01/overview-of-local-politics-as-the-election-approaches-pre-debate-edition/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Overview Of Local Politics As The Election Approaches Pre-Debate Edition

19:15

^ Obligatory unbounded symbol warning for asciilifeform

~ 53 minutes ~

20:09

http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-125 << this is not even altogether a meritless issue, "how and when to rationally merge trees"

~ 2 hours 2 minutes ~

22:12

!Xview 1061

22:12

auctionbot

Buy order # 1061 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by bvt for 161mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo

22:12

auctionbot

Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 161mn ecu Leading Bid: 161mn ecu Ending: 2019-10-02 05:55:34.297573 UTC (16 hours 17 mins)

22:12

er okay some buggage I've found

22:14

ah shit, I know what happened; bot dropped but backend kept going, and sent the "END" message to the outbox table. I need to remember to clear that before brining bot back online after outages

22:16

in any case, auction 1061 NOT ended, but extended 18 hours to make up for outage time

22:16

ericbot

Logged on 2019-10-01 17:20:15 lobbes_field: I can extend the auction for the downtime. Will make note not to charge for downtime hours as well (even though auction billing is still in suspended state)

22:17

ugh now I need to update by ericbot to asciilifeform's new patch. Above echo from #pizarro ^^^

22:17

bot hell today! /me goes off to apply latest stan-logotron patch

~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~

23:23

!e version

23:23

ericbot

I am bot version 596907.

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