#trilema | 2019-09-08

lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/logsericbenevidescom-is-born-compiled-notes-on-the-cloning-process/#comment-83

00:57

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934939 << i tried 3 terminals, none rendered this, had to boot a crapple, lol

00:57

Logged on 2019-09-07 14:49:25 mircea_popescu: and speaking of false religions and extremely popular delusions : 𒆪𒋾𒀀𒂍𒈗𒊏

00:58

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934972 << canhaz patch plox ?

00:58

Logged on 2019-09-07 18:19:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.

00:58

ossabot

Logged on 2019-09-07 03:06:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.

00:59

lobbes: otherwise a+++ cookbook, ty for writing.

01:00

lobbes: btw dumps from 10.3 eat on 9.x w/out modification, you did not need to comment anything. (it will spit warnings but harmless. tested.)

01:02

lobbes: the max dump line limit is configurable. ( and i'ma turn the knob on mine if anyone finds the '500' inconvenient. plox to write in. )

01:02

ty. and interesting. Perhaps I just jumped the gun on that.

01:02

re: the database dump, that is

01:02

as for the vpatching, I wonder if it makes sense to just "lump them all in" with the quoted search patch?

01:03

if not, I have no issue with making a vpatch for the various fixes in that guide

01:03

lobbes: there's 0 reason to 'wait for $nextpatch'. just turn errata into vpatches, folx

01:03

i'ma read, sign, mirror.

01:03

roger that. I'll gets to patchin'

01:03

lobbes: pleez do

01:03

ty.

01:05

this goes also for if anyone finds cure for e.g. this . and anyffin else.

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Logged on 2019-09-07 07:34:07 mircea_popescu: oh, and is this a search bug, btw ?

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02:03

http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/uptimefix_bye_cachekvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- upti...atch

02:04

asciilifeform: annd patched ^

02:06

never did get to baking that post on mircea_popescu's ask... (I blame apache). Will have to tackle that in the morning. Until then, off to sleep!

02:07

oh incidentally, can ericbot be added to the autovoice list?

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04:13

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934968 << alright, i'm sold, make the id 5 chars. erryone's just gonna have to type the extra char and that's that. alphanum tho, no symbols.

04:13

Logged on 2019-09-07 16:56:13 trinque: I'd have to stress test the thing to say, but response time over here is about a half second. ignoring parallelism 172800 req per day (assuming pastes expire after 24hr)

04:13

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934972 << o wait, so his bot thinks its up forever no matter what ? neat :D

04:13

Logged on 2019-09-07 18:19:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.

04:13

ossabot

Logged on 2019-09-07 03:06:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.

04:14

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934985 << cool, but also vpatch plox.

04:14

Logged on 2019-09-07 20:42:16 lobbes: ok, I've got diana_coman's fix applied and have also synced my logs across all chans

04:19

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1934993 << that's nothing ; the fucking idiots put all the ~2k or so known (and quite possibly not even linguistic) harappan decorations into the unicode. inexplicably, they're ~proud~ of having done this : https://web.archive.org/web/20170306041359/https://www.mohenjodaroonline.net/index.php/indus-script

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Logged on 2019-09-08 00:57:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934939 << i tried 3 terminals, none rendered this, had to boot a crapple, lol

04:19

the two "excited" imbeciles in question long vanished ; their "exciting" website's gone. but the radiation damage... it remains.

04:21

"language engineers" Amar Fayaz Buriro and Shabir Kumbhar my foot. they're execrable, odious shitmongers fit only to anchor participate in baboon gangrapes for the rest of their offensive lives.

04:23

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935015 << let's do that then!

04:23

Logged on 2019-09-08 02:07:38 lobbes: oh incidentally, can ericbot be added to the autovoice list?

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06:31

hm, nosuchlabs unreachable again

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06:55

http://trilema.com/2019/a-catagraphy-or-the-remains-of-a-bathroom/ << Trilema -- A catagraphy, or the remains of a bathroom

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09:24

hm, somehow the log seems sparse this morning.

09:25

what, no thousands upon thousands of words in a deluge, transforming a pleasant morning into a mad rush to ingest novel after referenced novel ?! just eat like normal people, looking out the window ?!

09:26

diana_coman

lol! suspiciously quiet, or what?

09:27

diana_coman

on my part, I'm deluging #o at least.

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11:06

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935018 << disconnects still appear in bot log . hate to disappoint.

11:06

Logged on 2019-09-08 04:13:58 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934972 << o wait, so his bot thinks its up forever no matter what ? neat :D

11:07

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935029 << anyone else have problems reaching this box ? ( so far only mircea_popescu )

11:07

Logged on 2019-09-08 06:31:30 mircea_popescu: hm, nosuchlabs unreachable again

11:07

mircea_popescu: when saw this, no ping ? or only no www ? how long and approx when ?

11:07

asciilifeform, it's weird, 50-100s outages, resolve spontaneously

11:08

can't say it's clear to me it's the box specifically.

11:08

but stone cold, no ping no nothing.

11:08

at same time other piz boxes answered ?

11:08

didn't think to check.

11:08

if not tested , next time plz test

11:08

ty mircea_popescu

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kk

11:14

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935012 << ty lobbes , will eat this today.

11:14

Logged on 2019-09-08 02:03:25 feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/uptimefix_bye_cachekvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- upti...atch

11:15

i vaguely suspected btw that all the major bugs in bot would be found in disconnect handling. piz pipe is so stable that not seen naturally-occurring disconnect yet...

11:29

diana_coman

hi Mocky

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13:00

mircea_popescu: looked for evidence of outages, but on neither dulap or own console , found any yet ( no disconnects of bot ; nor drop of shell from dulap to own chair, it's been standing for month+ )

13:00

must be internet weather i guess

13:01

possibly. if anyone else notices similar effect to mircea_popescu's, plox to write in. preferably with 'where/when/duration' .

13:02

mircea_popescu: thinking about it, it is possible that you 'got lucky' and caught the phuctor backup interval.

13:03

( in which -- db slows ; requests -- queue ; bot continues to operate )

13:09

meanwhile in actually good browser games, http://mighty-party.com/play.html?redeem=JILLYO

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14:05

achtung lobbes , diana_coman , et al : logotron www updated, nao includes latest lobbes & diana_coman contrib. errata fix . and link to new cookbook by the former.

14:05

+ sigs for the patch, incl. asciilifeform's .

14:13

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935023 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928981

14:13

Logged on 2019-09-08 04:19:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1934993 << that's nothing ; the fucking idiots put all the ~2k or so known (and quite possibly not even linguistic) harappan decorations into the unicode. inexplicably, they're ~proud~ of having done this : https://web.archive.org/web/20170306041359/https://www.mohenjodaroonline.net/index.php/indus-script

14:13

Logged on 2019-08-15 21:23:52 asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp)

14:15

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asciilifeform wonders how long before unitardation reaches the magick threshold when would be moar economical to simply encode bitmap of glyph

14:15

Logged on 2017-07-15 12:48:59 asciilifeform: they wanna say 妓 -- let'em be stuck saying 32 bytes (16x16 bit matrix, more than enough for any hierohorror) rather than 2 bytes !!!

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15:36

In local lulz: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mujica-y-otros-lideres-de-izquierda-denuncian-utilizacion-politica-de-la-justicia-uc729281

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16:30

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16:30

auctionbot

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16:56

http://qntra.net/2019/09/mit-media-lab-haunted-by-epstein/ << Qntra -- MIT Media Lab Haunted By Epstein

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auctionbot

Buy order # 1058: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 123mn from bvt. Ending: 2019-09-09 14:57:31.502705 UTC (30 hours 28 mins)

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19:12

BingoBoingo: meanwhile, upgraded torture room w/ proper drill press , & rivet machine.

19:24

asciilifeform: ty for the update

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19:52

auctionbot starting to get a list huh!

19:57

http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lWOzm/?raw=true << in other lulz : new trilema select scheme fucked up spammers' trackback spinning mechanism.

20:01

BingoBoingo, http://trilema.com/2010/dupa-dave-winer-citire/ << ito.

20:03

cnet meanwhile fucked the link i gave them. of fucking course

20:03

morons

20:03

mircea_popescu: ty, link added

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20:34

looks like ericbot didn't survive netsplit. Had to manually re-cycle it

20:35

holy shit. it filled up nsabot.log too (2.4GB!!)

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20:39

here's the snippit of the bot logs for these logs >> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CAX0

20:40

very odd that just that bot had a netsplit and no one else

20:47

lobbes, the reconnection code is buggy. should create new socket rather than try to reuse old one.

20:47

afaik this can't be done.

20:48

patch it so it releases the file descriptor and reconnects properly.

20:51

roger that. I'll take a dive into the code and see if I can figure out the socket related bits

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22:04

wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )

22:05

seems like all you need is to move ' sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM) ' into 'connect()' .

22:06

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asciilifeform would try, but does not know how to reproduce lobbes's boojum

22:07

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935080 << seems like finally lobbes photographed that legendary ufo, the 'socket alive, but wedged tcp' state.

22:07

Logged on 2019-09-08 20:39:51 lobbes: here's the snippit of the bot logs for these logs >> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CAX0

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935079 << prolly would not be bad idea to introduce log constrictor of some form (or using trinque's old method)

22:08

Logged on 2019-09-08 20:35:48 lobbes: holy shit. it filled up nsabot.log too (2.4GB!!)

22:09

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asciilifeform thinks 'at last, somebody finally exposed the horrid fleanode edge cases'

22:10

oh lobbes , prolly oughta have set SO_REUSEADDR also. loox like i did not

22:11

( then in principle dun gotta make new. but oughta test. nao q , how to reproduce wedged sockets, other than by playing fleanode lotto ? )

22:13

lobbes et al : another item i neglected to add, but really oughta have, is to log the actual ip of where connects. so can actually get some ~useful data re individual fleanode endpoints.

22:13

!q uptime

22:13

asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 23d 11h 50m

22:14

204.225.96.251 (via netstat) ftr .

22:15

( #5, it seems , in fleanode's current rotator )

22:17

for thread-completeness : nsabot.log of current run.

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23:22

http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/ << lobbesblog -- The mp-wp bot job offer

23:23

^^ mircea_popescu for your perusal

23:24

asciilifeform: yeah, I also have no idea how to properly test the thing.. except wait for the right fleanode weather to come by

23:25

I'll look into that socket stuff you mentioned though. Ty

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23:49

!Xbid 1057 100mn

23:49

auctionbot

Buy order # 1057: item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following. Heard: 100mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-09-12 20:26:41.479316 UTC (101 hours 9 mins)

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