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00:18 asciilifeform nao almost tolerable
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01:25 feedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr-vpatch/ << lobbesblog -- znc2tmsr vpatch
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01:27 lobbes ^ asciilifeform, et al.
01:29 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927288 << archiver back online btw (it has been chugging through the backlog for the last 4 hours or so)
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01:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-11 09:25:32 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927269 << cool deal.
01:29 * lobbes bbl sleep
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06:02 mp_en_viaje http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ?
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06:02 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-12 22:07:05 asciilifeform: i'ma have to set whole orchestra up on a box w/ classic apache, to see whether same thing
06:02 mp_en_viaje http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928198 < tyvm!
06:02 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 01:29:02 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927288 << archiver back online btw (it has been chugging through the backlog for the last 4 hours or so)
06:05 mp_en_viaje https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-considers-lifting-hostel-ban-to-lure-more-tourists-11565649721 << in other fucking lulz, new york joins the chase for norse retards.
06:05 mp_en_viaje maybe they could add the fat black woman at airport to dole out cabs to a queue ? god knows new york's prime for that.
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07:23 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/bring-it-on/ << Trilema -- Bring It On
07:32 mp_en_viaje hoooly shit, i woke up by myself.
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08:41 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: plox to try the 'heavy' log pgs, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927995
08:41 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-12 13:29:09 mp_en_viaje: and yes alflog still teletype, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 loaded in ~5s
08:44 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928201 << i dun 'upgrade', lol. and also admittedly never before tried to get a www to load in <1s specifically. ( btw -- does trilema for all pgs ? )
08:44 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 06:02:15 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ?
08:45 asciilifeform if somebody's sat for ~minute~ , sounds like sslism ( not in use on dulap and never will be )
08:46 * asciilifeform brb, meat 
08:50 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/holy-shit-i-woke-up-by-myself/ << Trilema -- Holy shit, I woke up by myself.
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10:32 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, looks like about 1-2s for a large (400kb) page (a ; b), though id you actually look into the waterfalls the page itself is composed in 400-500ms, the rest being wats for random repeatable elements (which most browsers don't re-load) like avatar.pngs favicon.ico sbtop.png etc
10:36 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: log now also 1-2s here ( ~3 for the 'heavy' historic pg linked earlier )
10:36 asciilifeform but would like to confirm that other folx see similar figure, and aint an artifact of asciilifeform's local cachism
10:37 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: ty for the tool link, will try with it
10:37 * asciilifeform not habitual wwwist and was unaware this existed 
10:37 mp_en_viaje $ time curl http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 yields real 0m5.405s
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10:39 mp_en_viaje tbh in your case looks mostly like slow / poorly burstable pipe ; if you look at the waterfal it's mostly grey (receiving), 95% of the 2.x seconds they wait
10:40 mp_en_viaje use the mouse hoover tooltips, they're informative. anyways, the webpage itself is good grade, by web standards.
10:41 mp_en_viaje 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
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10:41 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: hm why graphic browser gives < 1s for same here ?
10:42 diana_coman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928221 -> I got real0m9.634s
10:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 10:37:40 mp_en_viaje: $ time curl http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 yields real 0m5.405s
10:42 asciilifeform perhaps curl dun eat gzip
10:42 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, possibly because caches.
10:42 mp_en_viaje hit shift-ctrl-r or w/e invalidates all cache in your browser
10:42 asciilifeform knew this, same sans cache
10:43 asciilifeform something is odd, i sat all evening last night reading vintage #t logz via my displayer and none ate >3s
10:44 mp_en_viaje who even knows, maybe "smart router" decided to priviledge you connection
10:44 asciilifeform ( after upped buffer on box and reenabled gzipism )
10:46 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: possibly i did not elaborate , but on box's own shell, if viewing through ngx , fully 1-2s moar delay than if direct to port where py proggy
10:46 asciilifeform and in fact accts for all but ~70msec of a heavy pg
10:48 asciilifeform i found no obvious cause, but in process of knob turning combinatorics cut the delay somewhat ( seems to only be detectable in graphic wwwtrons tho, and , annoyingly, cannot actually get useful number from those, unlike curl )
10:49 asciilifeform tried large buffers, no buffers, various tcpism knobs, no obv culprit for the impedance mismatch (what i suspect this is )
10:51 asciilifeform pretty certain that the pipe itself is blameless, i get consistent realtime work through it, not once long pings much less subjective feel of 'mars probe'
10:52 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, do inspect element or similar, developer toolbox, we
10:52 mp_en_viaje all gfx browsers have a timer thing
10:53 asciilifeform was looking at https://gtmetrix.com/reports/logs.nosuchlabs.com/m3to2XTx , somewhat cryptic, will check out others
10:54 asciilifeform iirc chromisms have timer, i have box w/ one
10:58 mp_en_viaje firefox too
10:58 mp_en_viaje unless they took it out, like the screenshot thing
11:01 asciilifeform https://tools.pingdom.com/#5b22d518dfc00000 << this one confirms my init observ., almost whole second in 'connect' + 'wait' ( and 5 in receive , doesn't say in what pattern, but visually curl in the 'slow even on local shell' variant appears 'bursty' )
11:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928224 << ftr i routinely get 1-2 MB/s from my chair to dulap and reverse
11:10 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 10:41:12 mp_en_viaje: 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
11:13 asciilifeform it aint best possible pipe, but pretty good; and , as i pointed out already, effect persists ~without~ it ( i.e. operating curl within dulap shaves only 200msec vs to my chair; and has same peculiar 'burst' pattern and wild variance in total time )
11:21 asciilifeform via chromistic timer , get 1.40s for the heaviweight sample
11:21 snsabot Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
11:23 asciilifeform this thing dun seem to distinguish the phases of the load tho (only distinguished load from rendering, and cuts the latter into phases. which makes a kind of sense, tool is evidently for debug of 'slow cuz hands of who wrote html-shitter grow from arse' scenarios )
11:25 * asciilifeform will try on various FF later today. other folx welcome to report theirs.
11:32 asciilifeform if this box weren't also running phuctor, could simply hang the logger on port 80 and get, theoretically, 200-300msec loads, loox like.
11:32 asciilifeform aint nginx, apache, etc supposed to ~cure~ impedance mismatches, rather than cause'em...
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12:29 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928196 << lobbes does this result in same eggogs when eating your archive as before ?
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12:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 01:25:21 feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr-vpatch/ << lobbesblog -- znc2tmsr vpatch
12:33 asciilifeform btw time curl -H "Accept-Encoding: gzip" http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log yields avg. 0.4s . so indeed default curl dun eat gzip.
12:33 asciilifeform this aint a cure tho (afaik not all browsers eat it)
12:34 asciilifeform the 'heavy' page -- 1.4-2s avg. on same
12:35 asciilifeform ( from asciilifeform's chair ; 0.9 when executed locally on dulap , via ng i.e. the public url )
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13:24 asciilifeform the 'heavy' pg again, via yet another 'www debugger'. 0.5s time-to-first-byte ! ..and defo shows the 'burst' pattern.
13:27 asciilifeform or hm, possibly misread, and it's 0.737s
13:28 * asciilifeform has nfi why the # given for 'all' vs the 1st 'resource' could differ
13:32 asciilifeform it is even possible that the pipe is to blame, i.e. the measurement is 'random' depending on how congested the pipe at piz on acct of e.g. the multiple trb noads sitting there
13:33 asciilifeform however :
13:33 asciilifeform e.g. time curl "http://ossasepia.com/" > /dev/null >> real 0m1.597s and weighs 108k atm
13:33 asciilifeform so i still suspect it aint the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
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13:34 asciilifeform all the clues point to nginx.
13:44 asciilifeform for comparison : diana_coman's www via this same tool .
13:49 asciilifeform for non-piz comparison : trilema www, via same .
13:50 * asciilifeform now thoroughly stumped, ~all 3~ seem to show ~same 'time to first byte'
13:54 asciilifeform and now phf's log -- of 'heavy' pg -- via same. pretty interesting. total load time (to the tester author's box) -- 0.646s ; 1st byte -- 0.254s .
13:55 asciilifeform i'm beginning to suspect that nginx, apache, etc. are intrinsically dead weight, when sat in front of a programmatic html shitter
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13:55 asciilifeform and that phf did not use these, but hung up his logger straight on port80
13:59 asciilifeform attn panzers : whichever 1 of you is searching for 'cuts of the meat' -- that's in pre-dragon log, not yet imported.
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14:46 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/burn-after-reading/ << Trilema -- Burn After Reading
15:00 asciilifeform meanwhile, added 'download daily db snapshot' link to logotron.
15:01 * asciilifeform will put in readme , for next patch, how to set up the cron for these
15:01 asciilifeform currently set to snapshot at 0 hrs. daily. (snapshot itself takes ~8sec at the current mass of the db)
15:03 asciilifeform presently, weighs (compressed) ~23MB.
15:03 asciilifeform i expect will be roughly 3x that when all the back-archives added.
15:05 asciilifeform if folx want to mirror, i'd prefer that also happen daily, otherwise no amt of pipe will suffice
15:09 asciilifeform this ^ is simple means of testing the logger for folx not yet ready to stand up bot. e.g. : zcat dump.gz | psql -U nsabot -d nsalog will eat (assuming you already inited db w/ the provided schema)
15:10 BingoBoingo Las empresas de consumo masivo aumentan sus precios hasta 15% y el Gobierno evalúa qué hacer con "Precios Esenciales" << Headline across the river
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15:11 BingoBoingo Also: "Honda dejará de fabricar autos en la Argentina y se focalizará en la producción de motos"
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17:44 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/08/4-tor-users-sentenced-in-us/ << Qntra -- 4 Tor Users Sentenced In US
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18:04 asciilifeform hey BingoBoingo , couldja run for me these timings plz
18:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kJJ54/?raw=true
18:10 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
18:24 BingoBoingo In other news, lower office holding Cristinists are already proposing a return of the Blue Dollar. Nevermind the Argentine Central bank is dumping dollars onto the market now just trying to slow the Peso Argentino's fall.
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20:18 feedbot http://pizarroisp.net/2019/08/13/pizarro-isp-july-2019-report/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP July 2019 Report
20:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: let's get the 2nd xyz plant specced an' bought this mo
20:23 asciilifeform if at all possible
20:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: considering we're 100% outta unoccupied holes in which to put folx
20:25 asciilifeform the tyre fire of 'hey we've no logger' is , if not put out, then at low smoulder, so let's get this item moving
20:25 * asciilifeform still ill at ease re logger, pending confirmation that the kit actually stands up somewhere other than in asciilifeform's hands
20:27 asciilifeform see also
20:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-11 17:08:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: my pov, is that would like to get all 'magick' the fuck out of logotronics.
20:28 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928291 << i take it 'blue dollar' is/was same thing as sovok's 'convertible ruble' ?
20:28 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 18:24:25 BingoBoingo: In other news, lower office holding Cristinists are already proposing a return of the Blue Dollar. Nevermind the Argentine Central bank is dumping dollars onto the market now just trying to slow the Peso Argentino's fall.
20:28 asciilifeform ( y'know, the one that was Officially Pegged (tm) at 15 to 1 $ , whereas in reality 100+:1 )
20:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: iirc "Blue" was the dollar that tracked actual supply/demand
20:41 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: let's get the 2nd xyz plant specced an' bought this mo << Aite
20:41 asciilifeform hm i thought that was the only remaining kind after dethronement of whore
20:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, there was the offical rate proclaimed by Cristina, and then there was the Blue rate everyone actually traded at
20:42 asciilifeform so what means then 'return of blue dollar' ?
20:43 BingoBoingo Well, when Cristina got kicked out of the Pink house and into congress... Argentina started floating their currency
20:44 BingoBoingo Return of the Blue dollar means they peg again and go back to fighting reality on this clearly lost front
20:44 asciilifeform aa!
20:47 BingoBoingo And they'd be doing this with even less dollars in their hands than the last time they tried.
20:58 asciilifeform in other noose, added simple knob to logotron that sends reader to (p)random line of selected chan.
21:00 asciilifeform ( not strictly as 'toy for noobs' but will help torture-test , perhaps readers will turn up some case where renders barf )
21:00 asciilifeform it is found down at the bottom , with the rest 'shit hanging off side of the rifle' perpetrated by asciilifeform
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22:23 BingoBoingo "Molinos no entregan harina por falta de precios y se paraliza la industria del pan" << https://archive.is/RbAe7 Latest from across the river
22:24 asciilifeform продразверстка when!111
22:28 BingoBoingo Well, Argentines are talking about the possibility that "Brasil quits Mercosur" instead of the far more likely "Argentina suspended from Mercosur" (Venezuela is the precedent in this case)
22:30 asciilifeform in other minor noose, 'random' button already paid for self, found page where for some yet-unknown reason line wrap fails
22:32 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928256 << it is inconclusive if the eggogs are a result of the znc2tmsr converter, or the znc logs themselves. Now that I have your logotron pressed onto my cuntoo workstation, I aim to get some irssi #e logs and run them through diana_coman's irssi2tmsr converter, and then snarf that into your logotron to see if I also get barf.
22:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-13 12:29:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928196 << lobbes does this result in same eggogs when eating your archive as before ?
22:32 asciilifeform ^ expert wwwists in the house ? plox to write in
22:32 lobbes No rush to sign anyway. Main reason I even published was mp_en_viaje's solid reasoning >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927639
22:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-11 18:49:12 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, and more importantly ... if you have it published today to lookat it in 2029 you can ; and if not you... can not. and so on.
22:33 asciilifeform lobbes: a++ . i'ma try it in coming days ( need #a , #p eaten )
22:34 asciilifeform lobbes: seems to me that it shouldn't be hard to find whether 'because znc logs themselves' -- look in the raw logs
22:36 lobbes well, I definitely saw some oddities in the raw logs on my end (as in, some of the problem lines had e.g. apostropies rendered as '?' when I viewed them through the 'more' command, for example)
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22:36 asciilifeform lobbes: you prolly have a 7bit console
22:36 lobbes may be a better way to check bitrot, but I am pretty novice at this stuff
22:37 asciilifeform so naturally will '?'
22:37 lobbes ahh
22:37 asciilifeform ( do other unihieroglyphs show ? e.g. greek ? )
22:37 asciilifeform and wait, apostrophes , all ? or uniturd-ostrophes strictly ?
22:38 asciilifeform put it through hexdump -C .
22:39 lobbes lemme see if I can get a good example
22:39 * lobbes makes note of hexdump -C
22:40 asciilifeform normal human being apostrophe is, y'know , 0x27
22:47 lobbes of course, now I can't find the example haha. But okay, I'm going to go back and take another look with hexdump in-hand
22:47 lobbes seems to be a saner method
22:48 asciilifeform another page that breaks, apparently, wrapping
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22:50 asciilifeform lobbes: it wouldn't astonish me if turns out that some particular combo of uniturds -- breaks py's uniturdism eater
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22:50 asciilifeform on either receiving or emitting end
22:50 asciilifeform or, say, inside regexpism
22:53 asciilifeform iirc phf struggled with something not unlike this, when wrote his CL proggy
22:53 * asciilifeform has been digging through logs for what details there may have been put there, but not yet turned up
22:53 lobbes would be a good discovery in any case. at this point I just wanna know why/what it is specifically
22:55 asciilifeform gotta say that mp was right in re front-end being tougher nut to crack than the bot
22:56 asciilifeform !q uptime
22:56 snsabot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 4d 1h 3m
22:59 asciilifeform i for instance have only the foggiest notion of why cssism does what it does and when/where
22:59 asciilifeform to the extent that the renderer worx, is because lifted from phf's (and massaged empirically)
23:00 asciilifeform but where doesn't ( see the overflowing pgs ) currently nfi why, nor even where to start investigation
23:00 asciilifeform ( from ~output~ of phf's , that is, to this day nobody knows how it birthed this output )
23:02 asciilifeform may well end up having to rewrite the formatter to use <table> . as in phuctor. there, and nowhere else , wrapping seems to work 100% , on all browser from 'lynx' to 1990s 'netscape'
23:09 * asciilifeform bbl:meat
23:12 lobbes so this is interesting... here's an example line from the live log that barfed on import >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2015-08-26.log.html#t20:04:33
23:12 lobbes here it is in "raw" form on the same www (timestamp [20:04:33]) >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2015-08-26.log
23:13 lobbes I curled that very .log file just now and ran it through hexdump -C. Here is the result of that line (Hex comes out to "92") >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SSSVY/?raw=true
23:15 lobbes asciilifeform: unrelated, but I noticed logbot's readout above is not showing on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13 O-o
23:15 lobbes errr lobbesbot's readout. anyways I'll bbl as well
23:18 asciilifeform lobbes: my bot only echoes own loglines. as per traditional mp-given style.
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