#trilema | 2019-04-07

04:49

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907214 <-- don't you find it weird, though, that you say this, and then after just a few lines you http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907238 ? this is not a rhetorical question: you're unimpressed by the recorded 5+yo history of discussions of a group of ~actual people~, and the reflection therein of their ~actually doing~ things; and then immediately you go on to referen

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04:49

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 00:04 OriansJ: asciilifeform: Having spent time reading the log; I am less than impressed

04:49

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 00:21 OriansJ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation

04:49

spyked

ce the collection of writings of nobody in particular. do you see the dissonance there?

04:50

spyked

from where I'm looking, this is precisely http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802051

04:50

a111

Logged on 2018-04-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: and they are that by personal, wholly owned choice. nobody asked them, or told them, or "made them" act in the specific manner of their subhuman nature, whereby "1. if it's not comfortable ~to me~ i'm 'not interested' because 2. i expect there's enough of us animals around so that 3. under the pressure of our wilful ignorance the republic will be forced to change and adapt."

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07:05

phf

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907277 << it works fine without the javascript, i use it regularly in lynx (and occasional exotic browsers like netsurf), but i suspect it will fail in a browser, that both fails to display SVG and then fails to display a link map

07:05

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 00:36 asciilifeform: ^ bug report to phf ^

07:06

OriansJ

I would like to thank everyone here; for helping me to realize the importance of good documentation.

07:08

OriansJ

phf: Tor-browser paranoid mode for reference

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07:10

phf

OriansJ: good luck with that

07:16

OriansJ

phf: the cost of trying to interact with those that don't share one's values; for the sake of hopefully learning something of value or finding a fruitful cooperation.

07:25

phf

OriansJ: i don't understand what your comment is in response to, would you mind elaborating

07:35

OriansJ

phf: The choice of browser as per your previous comment

07:40

phf

oh, why not put your explorations on a separate machine, and have one machine that's in actual working order? unless you've made a conscious choice not to support svg in your stack, your stack appears to be broken

07:43

OriansJ

phf: It is on a seperate machine; The svg subset that isn't turing complete is enabled and working.

07:55

phf

OriansJ: so why not browse btcbase patches from your regular machine?

07:57

OriansJ

phf: I have no web browser on my regular machine nor any desire to add one.

08:01

OriansJ

now I am willing to build from source tools (after an audit) that will work with v; so that I can interact with the patches directly but as I have not finished an audit nor trust anyone who has previously audited the code; I am left with the bad option of setting up a burn box to view the patches.

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08:02

phf

oh you just don't support html in general (presumably you still http with something like wget), i think your position would've been a lot stronger if you just said so, rather then something something tor browser. i'm vaguely curious what "non-turing complete svg subset" is, but that's a stone that will have to be turned some other time

08:05

OriansJ

phf: well few people would understand that position; so I tend to express concepts in forms for general consumption. Even though it will result in loss of precision; as few people are technical enough to care about the details lost.

08:17

OriansJ

phf: short version SVG that only supports lines and text but not SVG Animation or any of the other fun extras.

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09:24

phf

OriansJ: so i've thought about it, expressing concepts in forms for general consumption is a bad coping mechanism from a life time of being the smartest person in the room (assuming that it's not a ruse or self-delusion and you _are_ actually capable of clear thinking). problem is that it makes you lazy and rots the brain, and then when you're in the room of equals or superiors you suddenly discover that you're not practiced at

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09:24

phf

expressing yourself precisely and communicating clearly. another problem is that you yourself start thinking in shortcuts. and to what end? like take your svg comment, what's it supposed to accomplish? "oh, how interesting". anyway, please don't do it here.

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10:30

OriansJ

phf: I have always felt precise and clear communication can only occur when both parties are open to the expression to incomplete thoughts with the goal of synchronize understandings. Otherwise the communication style is forced into a form of data dumps with long load times and a general ineffectiveness of cooperation between individuals; particularly when the delta between individuals is large.

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12:04

asciilifeform

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907304 << i formerly thought that this was obvious from the docs , but you ~can~ operate on vpatches without a vtron ( they're edible by trad. unix 'patch' util, and you can verify the sigs with anyffin roughly gpg-like , also by hand )

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12:04

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 12:01 OriansJ: now I am willing to build from source tools (after an audit) that will work with v; so that I can interact with the patches directly but as I have not finished an audit nor trust anyone who has previously audited the code; I am left with the bad option of setting up a burn box to view the patches.

12:04

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 00:29 asciilifeform: OriansJ: then have, e.g., 'v' : http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system

12:06

asciilifeform

iirc we encountered 1 of these at least 1ce before -- a fella who didn't want to keep either python or perl around on his machine, but wanted to v

12:06

asciilifeform

can't seem to find in log tho

12:09

asciilifeform

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907286 << to make matters worse still -- i tried , but still cannot fathom what was the connection b/w the linked pediwikism and the thread..

12:09

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 08:49 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907214 <-- don't you find it weird, though, that you say this, and then after just a few lines you http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907238 ? this is not a rhetorical question: you're unimpressed by the recorded 5+yo history of discussions of a group of ~actual people~, and the reflection therein of their ~actually doing~ things; and then immediately you go on to referen

12:12

asciilifeform

!!up OriansJ

12:12

deedbot

OriansJ voiced for 30 minutes.

12:14

asciilifeform

OriansJ: you may find it interesting that a number of noobs wrote own vtron, rather than bothering to audit the old; the former is generally easier than the latter

12:20

asciilifeform

phf: hrm i missed the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907295 ln. on init. read. patients with this symptom have exceedingly poor prognosis (witness e.g. Framedragger , succumbed to torcancer year+ after init. remission..) but it aint like the triage queue is full , thought worth try.

12:20

a111

Logged on 2019-04-07 11:08 OriansJ: phf: Tor-browser paranoid mode for reference

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13:32

asciilifeform

!Qlater tell ben_vulpes is mimisbrunnr gone for good ?

13:32

lobbesbot

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13:34

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14:24

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14:35

phf

bvt: do you mind signing http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp the version at http://btcbase.org/data/vtools/vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp.vpatch i reground it for keccak and new manifest

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15:10

asciilifeform

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15:12

bvt

phf: http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3-take-two/#selection-13.0-31.43

15:20

phf

bvt: ty

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17:26

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