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01:29 mircea_popescu http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
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01:29 mircea_popescu n all that writing started being Org files.
01:29 mircea_popescu It occurred to me that Org is like the Borg: it absorbs everything that gets near it. So laugh all you want but you will be assimilated." and reddit links.
01:30 mircea_popescu too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
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01:38 mircea_popescu spyked while at it, plox to take danielpbarron.com off #eulora / #trilema ty.
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09:06 spyked mircea_popescu, ACK, and done
09:10 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882413 <-- sounds good. I'll be online starting about 12PM UTC until late, so give signal and I'll /join from the feedbot side
09:10 a111 Logged on 2018-12-20 16:19 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora
09:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
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09:15 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 06:29 mircea_popescu: http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
09:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882427 << most damning sin of the 'irreal' fella is.. failing to come up with a unique handle. the shithub by that name has 0 to do with the linked blog, it's fulla microshit and 0 emacsism
09:15 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 06:30 mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
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09:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually found him because (inexplicably) popped in trilema referrer list.
09:50 mircea_popescu and i was honest, did not dig up github, nfi,
09:51 asciilifeform folx really really oughta have reasonably unique names imho
09:51 mircea_popescu yeah well.
09:53 mircea_popescu on fifth (and i guess final) re-read, it occurs to me the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882248 <-> http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-223.252-223.669 link really should be made explicit.
09:53 a111 Logged on 2018-12-19 22:21 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ?
09:53 mircea_popescu it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
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09:53 asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu wins at rereads, asciilifeform only went 4 !
09:54 mircea_popescu moreover, no amount of buying sodas & popcorn for miss princess rottencrotchstein two doors down so you fight her over her tits in the darkness of the cinema hall is EVER going to produce a useful slavegirl.
09:54 mircea_popescu there's no "progression". the place for the "well brought up" daugthers of the middle class is the furnace, naught else.
09:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was the basic thrust behind asciilifeform's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882088 jumper setting.
09:55 a111 Logged on 2018-12-19 20:59 asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
09:55 mircea_popescu and besides, and just as importantly : the boy who puppyloves some girl ~is in no way different ; IN NO WAY DIFFERENT~ from the erastes who "loves" some man's kiddy bait whore.
09:56 mircea_popescu if i have a woman going out who pretends to put out so that i walk in on you, throw a fit and fuck you in the ass -- whether i show up to actually do it or not MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS. you're still my cock rag.
09:56 mircea_popescu and whether you're both 16 and i'm her father-owner rather than her master-owner ALSO MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS.
09:57 mircea_popescu either you own the woman, or else you're just there to anally please her owner. that's the outlay, there's nothing else there.
09:59 mircea_popescu which is the deep problem with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881912 : you want to be a lord within the walls but play the erastes outside. it's ~not easy~, yes women can do it remarkably well, but http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882319
09:59 a111 Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 phf: so i'm not trusted at all?
09:59 a111 Logged on 2018-12-20 00:45 asciilifeform: y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe'
10:03 asciilifeform the ancients warned re 'serving two masters', neh.
10:04 mircea_popescu now where's the link to that story about the man who lent some money and ends by wondering whether he keeps going back to "get his money back", fuck the guy's wife or take up the ass ?
10:05 mircea_popescu it's not some fucking joke, which is why it's funny. it's why these are always funny.
10:09 mircea_popescu s/erastes/eromenos/ jesus christ
10:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one thing that blows my mind is the compartimentalization. "you either own the computer or else work for the usg" is somehow self-evident ; "you either own the woman or else work for the usg" is magically not, because "it was not clear to me dks was the woman in our relationship, what is the similarity between the dangly-bait cunt in each case ?!?!?!"
10:21 mircea_popescu "the similarity is that a) you want it and b) it's worthless". "oh!"
10:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to add moar weird to the story, last night dks actually answered, with 'i'ma dig for some PAL stuff, will write back after newyear'. old man simply moves slowly. ( and notice that i did not have to swear masonic oath to him !111 )
10:25 asciilifeform the sinners in the story aren't even dks et al, but the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882442 folx, the 'masonic oaths' they swear are largely ~to each other~, creating a hitler out of vacuum
10:25 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 14:53 mircea_popescu: it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
10:25 asciilifeform it's an exact replay of the alchemists.
10:26 BingoBoingo Masonic oaths don't create hitlers. They do worse. They create oxford boys playing soggy biscuits while bucket crabbing.
10:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's where that train stops, yes.
10:28 asciilifeform old folx want to 'feel relevant'. if you throw'em this bone by preemptively 'promising to seekrit', they'll eat it up. if you throw different bone, will also eat.
10:29 mircea_popescu holy shit really ?
10:29 mircea_popescu i never witnessed this phenomenon where the same young hussy giving some age-peer a hard time puts out unasked as soon as some gypo shows up.
10:29 asciilifeform i realize this aint news to mircea_popescu , but gotta put in the l0gz for all the folx who aint 10,000 y.o. olympians
10:30 mircea_popescu right.
10:31 asciilifeform ( and even if ~won't eat bone~ -- in asciilifeform's eyes, it is far better to take bloody irons apart ion by ion for 20yrs than to get commented sores at the cost of selling soul )
10:32 asciilifeform it's 1 thing if yer stierlitz and sign whatever 'seekrecy agreements' with the reich so as to then have what to radio back to stalin, laughing all the way. it's quite another if yer actually infected and start taking the 'promises' to reich seriously.
10:34 asciilifeform this is much broader item than simply in re bolixism thread.
10:36 mircea_popescu i suppose in the end, the important usg hook in social process among the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877467 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813416 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641131 crowd of morons is -- "the secrecy", as a usg earworm.
10:36 a111 Logged on 2018-12-01 20:50 mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards.
10:36 a111 Logged on 2018-05-14 23:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mit is the owner of ~nothing.
10:36 a111 Logged on 2017-04-09 22:51 mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product.
10:36 asciilifeform and observe that asciilifeform is somehow able to discuss this point without 'ohnoez, but what if x,y,z read the log!'
10:36 mircea_popescu much like the usg hook in campus intimate relationships is "rape", (also as the usg earworm, has ~nothing to do with rape in any sense)
10:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i happen to know that the 'mit tyranny' consisted of standard patent agreement. which some folx 'ohnoezed' and 'preemptively' bowed over, and others -- simply raped, and laughed all the way to bank.
10:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as fucking if anyone reading the logs is anything but that one's immediate obligation.
10:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we know the same thing.
10:38 mircea_popescu but anyway, there's a ~reason~ for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875908 ; that reason is ~RAISING AWARENESS~.
10:38 a111 Logged on 2018-11-28 23:29 Mocky: these jobs requiring 'clearanced' is actually quite handy, easy filter criteria
10:39 mircea_popescu they know it works (as it evidently does, phf wasn't even born there i have to point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 ) and so they want every last indian in some remote hunting lodge somewhere to have at least one blanket.
10:39 a111 Logged on 2018-12-20 15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
10:40 asciilifeform it's essentially replay of ye olde 'do not build own jail inside yer head' thread.
10:40 mircea_popescu and with that, it can rest.
10:40 asciilifeform i can't think of what to possibly add to it.
10:40 * asciilifeform bbl,teatime
10:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882432 << mircea_popescu believes orgmode is ~stupid~, which carries no further import than this, and mircea_popescu does not begrudge the users their usage. he however also notices that what it LEADS to is fucking anathema ; because if indeed orgmode is in your mind a stepping stone from emacs to pdf, then indeed orgmode is exactly as stupid as i fucking thought it was.
10:54 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 14:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
10:56 mircea_popescu nfi what there's to like about orgmode, and especially it's not clear how you distinguish it from "excel vbasic for emacs"
10:57 mircea_popescu "literate programming" MY FOOT! that piece of shit is the ~exact antithesis~ of literate programming, it's illiterate excel-ing. and i do not for a second believe that the "misnomer" is accidental -- it's exactly usg-deliberate. nor do i think the mention on the original dork's blog is accidental.
10:58 mircea_popescu "oh but mp, while it can be used that way, that's not the way i use it". whopee.
10:58 mircea_popescu retrofiring revolver also fits this bill.
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11:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where did the orgmode d00d discuss pdfism ?
11:27 mircea_popescu man, i just quoted it didn't i ?
11:28 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/wEX7b#selection-877.0-889.6
11:28 asciilifeform loox like he was quoting some rando's use case. himself, he uses it to write .txt for the blog.
11:29 asciilifeform ( fwiw asciilifeform tried 'orgmode' at length, decade ago, but didn't like, found that it does ~90% of what i needed, and the remaining 10% felt like same amt of work as simply using plain txt files + grep entirely. )
11:30 asciilifeform as for the quoted d00d, who '.org -> .tex -> .pdf', dollars to doughnuts he's an academic and chained to that oar.
11:32 mircea_popescu i can't discern what argument you're brining in there.
11:32 asciilifeform that it's a quote from 3rd party ?
11:32 mircea_popescu is it you protest the exact flavour of anathema ("oh mp, it's not usg.corporate idiocy, it's usg.academia idiocy" ?) or what exactly.
11:32 mircea_popescu so ?
11:33 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu quotes all sorts, e.g. gavin, in various pieces. does this mean that mircea_popescu endorses gavinism ?
11:33 mircea_popescu when ~i~ quote from an idiotic third party, you know this is going down, by the presence of the word idiot in there.
11:33 asciilifeform so is orig thread re how orgmode rots brains, or that linked blogist writes insufficiently mircea_popescuinely?
11:34 mircea_popescu orig thread is re how "here looky, case of orgmode rotting brains"
11:34 asciilifeform ('orgmode' per se aint very interesting, it's just an elisp script that lets you shuffle wads of txt as linked lists)
11:34 mircea_popescu eh, if only. it ~runs arbitrary snippets of code~. it is 100% vbasic.
11:35 asciilifeform that'd be 'calc', a diff emacs plugin.
11:35 mircea_popescu "reproducible research", do you know what they actually mean by ~that~ term hijack ?
11:36 mircea_popescu i dunno if you follow this, but the way through which "golf club pattern" idiocy existed is exactly this sort of "automation" : i """scientist""" downloaded an excel from the internet and it spat out in my cell what the website said it spits so therefore EXPERIMENT VERIFIED
11:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite familiar with academi-scam, having been sadly involved on production end
11:36 mircea_popescu well that's your orgmode, neh.
11:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~that~ is good % of what passes for tooling errywhere. i.e. mechanisms to clean up piles of shit left by others.
11:37 asciilifeform i refer to it as perlism.
11:37 mircea_popescu i do not agree.
11:39 asciilifeform i dun even ~like~ or use 'orgmode'. but must dispute the 'folx who write elisp proggies are destructive zombies and class enemy' blanket.
11:39 mircea_popescu not "piles of shit left by others". specifically, i pompously declare myself "literate programatician", what this does is, vbasic autorun ; i pompously declare myself "respectable scientificist", what this does is, i download an excel script, watch its vbasic reproduce the same errors of http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-143.0-153.147 and declare i have
11:39 mircea_popescu thereby verified something.
11:40 mircea_popescu whether you're aware of this or not : 2000s era standards of usgtronic "science" had decayed to the point where, running some random virus off the internet was deemed as "independent verification". literally this, "i downloaded a bunch of numbers and a vbasic script off a website, it ran on my machine to the same result as it ran on publisher's machine, THEREFORE ALLEGED EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED"
11:40 asciilifeform there's euglena in the water, yes. but in this case mircea_popescu is seeing dust on microscope lens.
11:40 mircea_popescu this was the wikipedia golden age, and it left us with "social sciences" and "earth sciences" and code of conducts and so on.
11:41 mircea_popescu which dust is this then ?
11:41 asciilifeform afaik the 'golf clubs' people are 100% using actual microshit spreadshit, not emacses.
11:41 mircea_popescu well, orgmode gives them the option to either.
11:42 asciilifeform it could if it actually did same thing, lol
11:43 mircea_popescu and speaking of wikipedia : "Almost orthogonally, Org-mode has functionalities aimed at executing code in various external languages ; these functionalities form org-babel, "A Multi-Language Computing Environment for Literate Programming and Reproducible Research."
11:43 mircea_popescu retrofiring revolver alfie. your not using it that way has no bearing.
11:43 asciilifeform you can put whatever you like in an elisp, incl. shell callouts, just like in bash, noose at 11
11:44 asciilifeform it's an ordinary revolver. ( of very small calibre. )
11:44 mircea_popescu but ~a certain kind of putting~ has ~a specific name~.
11:45 mircea_popescu "oh mp, just because orgmode evidently made by a certain kind of idiots to support their specific idiocy doesn't mean anything ; and also, when the necessary fruits of that labour of love start pdf-ing their way to the surface, that's just coincidental 3rd party linkage". how far ?
11:46 asciilifeform i suppose for certain kinds of people, 'hammer' is what you use to smash own thumb. for some other kinds, heads. but as far as i'm concerned it's for nails.
11:47 mircea_popescu dood didn't "accidentally omit" the string "idiot" in "check out this moron, spits out pdfs". it was omitted for reasons that have something to do with what orgmode fundamentally is.
11:47 asciilifeform if maggot had never found emacs, as most do not, will maggot on top of sumthingelse.
11:48 mircea_popescu i expect this is true.
11:49 asciilifeform ( and the thing, as detailed at length in prev threads, is groaning under the weight of actual wreckers, who poettering-'obsoleted' the working, useful plugins and replaced with ruby, etc 'kraft cheese', e.g.,
11:49 asciilifeform !#s flycheck
11:49 a111 65 results for "flycheck", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flycheck
11:49 asciilifeform )
11:50 mircea_popescu hey, open source allows people to improve and extend.
11:50 asciilifeform 'embrace & extinguish'(tm)(r)(microshit central committee, 1990s)
11:51 mircea_popescu so then why tolerate them ?
11:51 mircea_popescu and if you do, how's irreal dork supposed to ever figure out what he's doing is morally reprehensible ?
11:52 asciilifeform i can't think of any reason to tolerate. but i also dun have a from-the-ground replacement for emacs per se.
11:52 mircea_popescu if nobody ever tells greenblatt "do not play on monkey team", what, is greenblat supposed to what, figure it out all on his own ?
11:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform discussion wasn't re emacs, was re some rando blogger.
11:53 asciilifeform rando blogger which i historically read for elispism.
11:53 mircea_popescu so more power to you.
11:54 asciilifeform ( he's pretty close to full-bore snoar naodays, tho. i delouse that linkbar not nearly as often as oughta, beginning to suspect )
11:54 mircea_popescu you asked me if i spit on things merely because i do not use them ; i explained teh reasoning thereof. i dun expect you to ~do~ something as a result of this, besides i guess saying "oh, i see what your issue is"
11:55 asciilifeform some people dunlike dogs, for instance, and refer to'em as armored personnel carriers for fleas. in this case so happens that i like dog. so interested in whether mircea_popescu was going from a 'dogs, who needs'em' angle or spotted flea in particular.
11:55 mircea_popescu or not see, either way, i'm just saying, "no, it's not that i spit because i do not use ; but vice versa".
11:57 mircea_popescu in other vaguely related line, person recently pointed out "you know, your screen+vi&bash combo is almost like emacs for retards", to much private merriment.
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11:58 asciilifeform in point of fact there are serious design flaws in emacs that make dog/flea separation extremely difficult. but iirc we already had that thread not long ago.
12:01 asciilifeform for instance, asciilifeform has '9000' processes on this and other boxen, where uses 'screen+bash+etc for tards' even though theoretically 'could emacs' ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869024 ) , because they ~must not crash~ and emacs is unthreaded and hosable
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12:01 a111 Logged on 2018-11-03 00:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1869016 << this is prolly a neato item but (to the possible surprise of some people) asciilifeform doesn't 'live in emacs' in the sense of using it for things that ain't files-on-disk editing
12:02 mircea_popescu aha! that was my exact line also. "glhf, bsoemacs"
12:03 asciilifeform and , not unrelatedly, asciilifeform sees the great crime of rms , to specifically be his pushing of 'kraft cheese' emacs + toolchains as 'just as good as real thing', witness e.g. https://archive.is/ws2qk#selection-5591.110-5591.271
12:04 asciilifeform ( on actual lispm, in working condition, there was ~no such thing as 'crash' )
12:05 mircea_popescu i can absolutely see the angle.
12:05 mircea_popescu here is sound "just like rms", but why ? cuz where's the real one keks.
12:05 mircea_popescu too busy whining about imaginary laptops and inane bs like that.
12:05 asciilifeform and, like mircea_popescu , i also dun buy the excuse that 'lispm was expensive, i HAD to write kraft cheese for cheap micros'
12:05 asciilifeform oughta have instead died trying to close that mg embrasure.
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12:06 asciilifeform it dun take THAT many moar transistors to build non-overflowable-arithm etc. iron.
12:07 asciilifeform ( certainly not the 2 ~billion~ intel crapola put for tlb cache so that microshit can be slightly less molasses )
12:11 asciilifeform lm was 'expensive' cuz hand-sewn from 74xxx. but just 4 yrs after rms went off to derp with unix, thing fit on single crystal, just like i386, it's the item in asciilifeform's vivisection table in fact.
12:12 asciilifeform ( and in same interval went from aston-martin to toyota price. and could've proceeded to motorcycle price if the co were run by smart folx.)
12:16 asciilifeform from my pov it's hilariously funny, that rms et al ~set the table~ for microshit.
12:18 asciilifeform that's what peddling 'just as good as actual cheese' does, in the end -- sets the table for 'hey i have a just-as-just-as-good , with flashier gui and endorsement from ibm' etc.
12:20 asciilifeform intel did 'even better', by rolling the field back to ~before time of babbage~, who, recall, managed to eat ~20% of brit empire budget simply on promise of baking ~log table~ without eggogs ( and , arguably in a kind of 19th c. bolix affair, succeeded but overran cost to death )
12:21 asciilifeform intel managed to reintroduce log eggog !
12:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841764
12:30 a111 Logged on 2018-08-15 14:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery
12:31 mircea_popescu i dunno, original portion of the way sword cuts thing seems much older than 2018.
12:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly in the orig 'bitcoin corrupts'(tm) thread ?
12:37 mircea_popescu i think so.
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12:59 feedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14A-Bis: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Physical Bounds Proof.)
12:59 asciilifeform ^ in other noose.
13:05 asciilifeform it's funny, or perhaps only to asciilifeform , that one can buy a kilometre of dead tree, in multiple langs, re 'crypto', and not find this illustration therein.
13:06 asciilifeform ( not even in the ridiculously 100bux/copy oxford press 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' backbreaker for chip maker folx )
13:07 asciilifeform i still suspect that proof won't 'Officially Count' cuz 'not pdf.' (tho hey, i have a coupla uniturds, and even a lolcat!111 )
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14:37 feedbot http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << Qntra -- Trump Makes End Of Year Push Mattis Out, Syria and Afghanistan Withdrawals, and Shutdown Showdown Over Border Wall
14:41 trinque threatening the longest government shutdown ever, what a guy.
14:43 trinque they need to start rumbling about impeachment next, get him properly incensed.
14:43 asciilifeform hey it's how they dethroned nixon. ( the unforgivable 'crime' was not the burglar derpery, but withdrawal from vietnam )
14:45 trinque chairman orange has already said "half the country will revolt" if dethroned. wouldn't mind to see what if, not that I'm holding my breath.
14:45 asciilifeform usg.red wants withdraw from viet^H^Hganistan like usg.blue wants withdraw from syria like flea wants dog to be washed.
14:47 feedbot http://qntra.net/2018/12/chest-issues-continue-piling-up-for-octagenarian-pantsuit-bench-warmer/ << Qntra -- Chest Issues Continue Piling up For Octagenarian Pantsuit Bench Warmer
14:47 asciilifeform trinque: mcfood-eaters will 'revolt' (by whining on reddit, or, in best case, oregon-ranching around) , and even that strictly if mcfood supply interrupted.
14:49 BingoBoingo ^ Well, the clock is ticking
14:49 BingoBoingo Headed for Andrew Jackon style breakdown if Trump gets a third pick
14:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: d00d won't even use the few buttons that still connected to anyffing. (e.g. could've easily pardoned those derps of his that the pantsuits recently jailed )
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14:51 asciilifeform there's 0 on paper to keep him from 'you can have all the freisler trials you like, i'ma pardon erryone'
14:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'his' judges aint even his in any particular sense. ( observe that he had to appoint 'respectable' derps, rather than e.g. his own children or whatever loyals , to court )
14:58 asciilifeform iirc i said this after end of yr1 of trumpreich, 'guess what, still can't tell who is in white house by looking out of my window'. and can say it again at end of 2nd yr. machine is built for continuation of 'biz as usual' at all costs, and will work while it has physically with what.
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14:59 asciilifeform d00d knows that if he tries to push buttons that are nominally connected to sumthing, will 'slip in bathtub' and replaced with bush III or whoever.
14:59 asciilifeform so stuck pushing the ones that make various arcade noises.
15:00 BingoBoingo As far as I can tell other than the young Barron, his children ain't all that loyal
15:00 asciilifeform presumably it's satisfying, tho i cannot fathom how.
15:02 asciilifeform cattle dun revolt, and castrated cattle dun even stampede. during obummer reign, police pushed, what, 10mil ameri-sads out of 'their' houses, which left to rot; and at cost of what, 1, 2 dead sheriffs ?
15:03 asciilifeform even the gassed jews, to this day infamous for boarding the trains 'orderly', nailed moar germans than this.
15:04 asciilifeform ( iirc somewhere north of a thousand, just in warsaw )
15:05 asciilifeform ameritardia boasts, what, 1 john stack ? who killed what, 1 night-shift usg janitor.
15:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if sad old man had even 1 squad of actual loyal men, there's be tanks bulldozing harvard and rape camps for the http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards etc
15:09 asciilifeform but instead, 'biz as usual', no tanks on street, only the garbage truck (which is late again..)
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16:38 mircea_popescu hopefully soon to be permanent, that shutdown.
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16:43 mircea_popescu pretty much the only way left to go, to these ~irrelevant~ old men with their imaginarily valuable bolix stack : they're cordially invited to withdraw into eternal slumber, like fucking moses. in three to five thousand years some virgin in rural bumfuck somewhere can quote to us "what the truth REALLY WAS 'according to the democratic party'".
16:43 mircea_popescu if you think about it, no other possible solution than "we weren't defeated by events, we merely withdrew into imagination"
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16:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882599 << could have done a lot more than that : could have dissolved cia ~and~ declassived all documents, permanently, in same executive order.
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16:46 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 19:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: d00d won't even use the few buttons that still connected to anyffing. (e.g. could've easily pardoned those derps of his that the pantsuits recently jailed )
16:46 mircea_popescu since you speak of nixon (whose principal problem upon assuming office for the first time was 'how to limit influence of pantsuits over at cia')
16:56 BingoBoingo Given both Bush and Hussein Bahamas are CIA legacy admits, it is possible to reread Snowden as a possible CIA plant sent to knock down ambitions of growing competitor NSA
16:56 mircea_popescu in other minutia, i just took possession of ~custom made house slippers~. because you can't fucking buy leather slippers anymore for the love of fuck, "plastic should be enough for everyone".
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16:57 mircea_popescu by "cia" i mean 100% of government-sponsored "intelligence community", including all "agencies" and the respective subreddits.
16:58 mircea_popescu simply defund the entire thing. not like it does anything useful ~for trump~. 100% janissary corps.
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17:03 BingoBoingo Well, good chunk of CIA.DEA.NSA.FBI revenue is their own drug trafficking operations (though apparently the Chinese are now beating them in the opiates market)
17:05 BingoBoingo The popular MAGA-redditista theory appears to be Trump playing to take intelligence community shit to give to Immigration and Customs Enforcement as new A-team
17:06 BingoBoingo Which... why not conspiracy theory a junta of county sheriffs
17:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882613 << soon as bernanketron runs outta green ink -- then yes
17:06 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 21:38 mircea_popescu: hopefully soon to be permanent, that shutdown.
17:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882616 << per legend, it's exactly what was on kennedy's desk when he ate bullet
17:07 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 21:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882599 << could have done a lot more than that : could have dissolved cia ~and~ declassived all documents, permanently, in same executive order.
17:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882620 << funnily enuff, brother had slippers from su, lasted ~decade; whereas today i buy visually-identical chinesium that's good for ~6mo. tops
17:08 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 21:56 mircea_popescu: in other minutia, i just took possession of ~custom made house slippers~. because you can't fucking buy leather slippers anymore for the love of fuck, "plastic should be enough for everyone".
17:09 asciilifeform ( tried the 'premium grades', it's == crapola but for idjits, like most ameri-'premium' materiel )
17:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882622 << it's exactly janissary corps. ( and so i suppose we'll know that he tried if his head ends up 'defunded' like the last d00d's )
17:10 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 21:58 mircea_popescu: simply defund the entire thing. not like it does anything useful ~for trump~. 100% janissary corps.
17:11 * BingoBoingo going to primarly be consuming Lechón as the dietary protein while it's in season. Shit's running ~200-300 per kilo.
17:11 BingoBoingo pesos that is
17:11 asciilifeform lol
17:11 asciilifeform i was about to say
17:12 BingoBoingo Last year this time a 100 peso note was roughly similar to a 4 USD bill. Now the same 100 peso note has almost fallen to be a 3 USD bill.
17:14 BingoBoingo Anyways, seasonality is a helluva thing. Chicken doesn't get that cheap here.
17:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882615 << the ameritards 'retreated into imagination' when they gave up industry. it aint precisely news.
17:15 a111 Logged on 2018-12-21 21:43 mircea_popescu: if you think about it, no other possible solution than "we weren't defeated by events, we merely withdrew into imagination"
17:16 asciilifeform it's pretty surreal experience, in asciilifeform's archaeology room , when going over pile of boards stamped 'made in usa'
17:16 asciilifeform feels exotic, almost like if were 'сделано в ссср'.
17:20 asciilifeform speaking of 'made in usa' weird : asciilifeform finally hunted down a rom burner that'll do those PALs : it's a 5kg behemoth that's driven by... dos box, via parallel port.
17:21 asciilifeform the vendor, 'bp microsystems', interestingly still in biz. and STILL offers the dos proggy for dload!
17:22 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, let them either earn their walking legs or go under.
17:22 asciilifeform ( talk about longevity. turns out , PALs/GALs still used in all sortsa critical systems, errywhere, from nuke plant to bulldozer )
17:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no use for the synthetic "textile" bs.
17:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's ~toiletpaper
17:23 asciilifeform + cardboard.
17:23 asciilifeform pretty miserly even on faux-textile, naodays.
17:23 mircea_popescu yes, well, i ain't gonna buy that.
17:24 * asciilifeform walks on just this side of the razor's edge of 'fucking, i'ma make own shoes'
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17:25 BingoBoingo Should have went to Pitty Shoes before they closed up shop
17:25 asciilifeform already living with having to make own fucking arithmetron.
17:25 asciilifeform why not also boots.
17:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: at least 'tits' is still in biz ! (is it?)
17:26 BingoBoingo Yeah, Tits even appears to be growing
17:28 BingoBoingo Whorehouse around the corner also still in business, "Fabrique de Pasta" on the corner however is not.
17:30 BingoBoingo Ice cream place still open as well
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18:53 * asciilifeform in other noose, generating coupla 10k test vectors for ffa ch14b. theory is great, and 'test can reveal presence of bugs but not absence'(tm)(r), but imho gotta have these
18:54 asciilifeform also will double as platform litmus for constanttimeitude of iron mul etc.
18:56 asciilifeform i'ma sign an' post these with the rest of the thing.
18:56 asciilifeform ( they won't be in the vpatch, tho, cuz 50MB vpatch would be a sad joke )
19:09 mircea_popescu i don't follow the logic ? are they that big or aren't they that big ?
19:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: example, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/modexp_tests/10k_shots_512bit_ffa_slid_rnd.tape
19:12 asciilifeform (above, ~5.5MB)
19:15 asciilifeform it's a test pattern made from fg output and ch.13 modexp, by way of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nNFe8/?raw=true and http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/47llm/?raw=true .
19:16 asciilifeform * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout << lol didja try an' run the test and overheat yer box
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19:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're exactly analogous to diana_coman's keccak test patterns, and can be made as large or small as one wants.
19:17 asciilifeform all it costs is some mains current.
19:27 asciilifeform these'll come in 2 variants (and for a selection of bitnesses) , 'uniform' and 'slid'; the former has 3 entirely FGistic args per modexp, and the latter also has'em shifted by random bitness (to give leading 0s, while excluding the prohibited div0 of 'mod 0' ) .
19:28 asciilifeform *shifted right
19:29 asciilifeform on proper (i.e. constanttimeistic iron mul) irons, 'uniform' and 'slid' test vectors will give same (to within timer jitter) runtimes when fed to ffa (of either ch13 or ch14 variety.)
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19:30 asciilifeform on defective (i.e. non-constanttime iron mul, or any other similar defect) they will give variant runtimes.
19:31 asciilifeform on utterly defective iron (under cosmic rays??) they will print eggogs, cuz answer of some modexp somewhere dun match the given.
19:31 asciilifeform i dun presently own any examples of the last two mentioned irons, so gonna need some help (anybody have a ppc?)
19:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882675 << before anyone nitpicks, gotta clarify, obv. very diff timings b/w 13 and 14. but will be uniform ~within~ particular ch./bitness .
19:34 a111 Logged on 2018-12-22 00:29 asciilifeform: on proper (i.e. constanttimeistic iron mul) irons, 'uniform' and 'slid' test vectors will give same (to within timer jitter) runtimes when fed to ffa (of either ch13 or ch14 variety.)
19:41 asciilifeform the correct answs to the test patterns will be same regardless of how modexp is performed, today or 100y from nao. so handy test.
19:42 asciilifeform ( and yes i'll be surprised if we dun find that somebody has a box with rotten nonecc ram , or similar, and exposed by this. )
19:48 asciilifeform it is very easy to produce tests like this, cuz ffa tapes can (elementarily) print ffa tapes. ( this is essential, is how e.g. key genning worx )
19:50 asciilifeform tuned-in folx will recall that exactly this, was exercise 1 of ch5, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071#selection-2965.0-2973.10 .
19:52 asciilifeform aand with that, i'ma bbl.
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23:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882670 << nah, just moved over here.
23:38 a111 Logged on 2018-12-22 00:16 asciilifeform: * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout << lol didja try an' run the test and overheat yer box
23:38 mircea_popescu anyways, i don't expect you have to or should vpatch the ~data~. is thar what you meant by "vectors" ?
23:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, term of art
23:45 asciilifeform ( anybody can generate own set, via the given method )
23:45 mircea_popescu yeaok.
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