#trilema | 2018-09-02

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~ 4 hours 20 minutes ~

05:24

wow, congrats asciilifeform on c101pa!

~ 5 hours 13 minutes ~

10:37

diana_coman: to be very specific, i did not properly break cr50. what i found instead was an apparently-Official (albeit undocumented) knob in the most recent fw release, which does equiv of rma unlock ( sets all of the permission bits for console ) and enables spi bus access, through which can r/w the main and ec fw turds.

10:38

what this does, is remove the 'nobus' aspect of the thing, nao anybody can r/w the fw via the snake.

10:38

what i have not found a way to do, is to neuter cr50 in the sense originally wanted , where it turns into simply battery controller and nobody can rewrite from snake.

10:40

fwiw i can also nao control 'pinmux' ( the built-in gadget that connects arbitrary lines on the pcb to arbitrary others ) and various other vendor knobs

10:43

there also appears to be a knob that switches off the usb console entirely, but i have not tried it yet, will test when i'm about to throw out the current mobo i have in there (with the damaged mouse connector) and put in new one (i have replacements)

10:47

( for those who did not follow the orig c101pa threads : the box has ~three~ firmware turds: 1) main (8MB) bootloader 2) EC (little arm thingie, has own console , controls all of kbd but the power and reset lines, as well as various voltages, and battery charger) 3) cr50 -- controls power/reset lines, inits the charging brick, and 'god mode' debug over the other 2 chips, i.e. cpu and EC )

10:51

i did get the unlock to persist across reboots, last night.

10:51

( if main fw is allowed to boot into 'non-dev' mode, it clears it, but once we wipe it and replace with cuntoo fw, this will not happen )

10:53

imho the ideal setup for this box (which has ~4~ nonvolatile roms -- the 3 above, and the 16GB ssd soldered onto mobo) is to put uboot in the main fw, and cuntoo ~installer~ on the 16GB ssd, which will boot if blank sd card is inserted, and install cuntoo on the latter; and subsequently boot off sd. this way the box will not slowly wear out the nonreplaceable internal ssd.

10:56

this will give a setup where a box separated from its sd, is 'unsecret', and can be expected to be identical to other cured units.

10:58

other item, is that a main bootloader built for this thing, theoretically will also work on the c100pa, which has no cr50.

11:00

( in so far as i can tell, those boxes are identical, aside from older rockchip (4 core, vs 6) , smaller ram, and cylindrical dc power supply connector instead of usb-c )

11:02

i'ma let mircea_popescu make the call re whether these finds add up to a 'let's make lappys' or not yet.

11:03

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asciilifeform bbl,teatime

~ 17 minutes ~

11:20

asciilifeform, to me that still sounds like quite a big step ahead

~ 30 minutes ~

11:50

diana_coman: on one hand, it makes for straight recipe for cuntoo lappy; but on other, it would still be slightly syphilitic , i.e. not wholly scrubbed of googlism

~ 31 minutes ~

12:21

in (mostly) unrelated lulz, recently asciilifeform found himself visiting several different crapple shops, and standing in a queue for hours, sov-style, simply to submit for repair a crapple lappy (2 yr old !) with swollen battery, whole thing looked like spoiled food tin

12:22

the unique apple experience!

12:23

and, lulzily, not only do they charge coupla hundy for this, but they ~glue it in~ to make harder to replace ( chinese of course sell replacement, with bottle of acid to dissolve the glue, takes whole day, but this does not unbend the keyboard, mousepad, chassis, that bend from the swell )

12:23

asciilifeform, re "not wholly scrubbed" - I've been cleaning eulora code for years and it's still not fully scrubbed of ps shit, so..

12:23

diana_coman: at least that one's scrubbable, rather than in drm rom

12:24

to me apple stuff is still essentially a fashion item and yes, usually that comes with insanity as far as I can tell

12:25

in principle yes; in practice, I'm not sure anymore where does scrubbing end essentially

12:26

diana_coman: fashions aside, if you're misfortunate enuff to need a recent x86-64 lappy where can attach large external displays, wifi, etc without aeons of config tweaking and flaky, yer stuck with crapple

12:27

aeons of config tweaking or aeons in queue apparently?

12:27

at any rate: sucks

12:28

it's for heathen work, for moneys.

12:29

ftr this was their last even half-usable box, right before they took away the f-keys.

12:29

well, at least if they pay you for staying in the queue...

12:31

I suppose that's also not that uncommon "productivity improvement" via "latest tech"

12:35

crapple has never not sucked, but the battery glue is imho a new low. gotta wonder what's next, maybe spikes will randomly emerge from the kbd

12:36

( i would say 'catches fire' is next, but then recalled that this is already not uncommon, and not merely in crapple machines )

12:39

well, it looks pretty :D

12:39

the spikes idea sounds cool too, maybe suggest it

12:41

i can already picture it : 2y from nao, asciilifeform will be posting re crapple box where there's tank of poisonous brazilian caterpillars in place of battery, and they broke loose, and gotta stand in queue to have'em replaced, and meanwhile crawling up sleeves

12:44

and it'll still be preferable to microshit.

12:46

( since mircea_popescu is asleep, i'ma have to put in placeholder for the oblig thread, [ m: 'you deserve this for working for a living, idjit' a: '...' ] )

12:50

lol!

12:50

hey, i suspect the caterpillar battery is inevitable : 'ecological!111'

12:51

it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with

12:57

and , fwiw, asciilifeform would rather live in su circa 1982 and design little calculators for 'elektronika'. but nobody asked him.

13:00

upstack -- folx who aint condemned to work with crapple artifacts, can laugh off the idiocies, but they spread like pestilence to other vendors, e.g. glossy lcd, glued-in battery, gpu soldered with balls that thermally cycle and guaranteed to come loose in 3-4 yrs, have already become ~ubiquitous in other portable boxen

13:01

or take the 'dollar store' quality kbd. already sop in all lappy.

13:03

( oblig. emulated-mircea_popescu answers, 'why do you need to take a comp on airplanes! sit on throne, in beach, drink rum, instead' )

13:08

aanyway i'm off to unwind for a spell in the room where it's 1982 , bbl.

13:21

hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SLiH6/?raw=true

13:21

lobbesbot

mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 53 minutes ago: <Mocky_phone> my internet went down last night. helpful cable guy scheduled to show up on tuesday

13:22

lmao

13:27

and cuntoo ~installer~ on the 16GB ssd << yes.

13:28

and yes, i find it adds to lets make lappy.

13:29

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846876 << moves the ratchet forward.

13:29

Logged on 2018-09-02 15:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: on one hand, it makes for straight recipe for cuntoo lappy; but on other, it would still be slightly syphilitic , i.e. not wholly scrubbed of googlism

13:31

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846877 << this is nothing. girl got sent (to major us metropolitan area) to scout for specific sex shop items. returned list of "best sex shops" in early stage. upon review of their "online store" it was discovered a) they are 100% cheap-ass white label crap, exactly indistinct from what douchebag would run and b) entirtely not representative of 1% of the stock of the brick and mortar store.

13:31

Logged on 2018-09-02 16:21 asciilifeform: in (mostly) unrelated lulz, recently asciilifeform found himself visiting several different crapple shops, and standing in a queue for hours, sov-style, simply to submit for repair a crapple lappy (2 yr old !) with swollen battery, whole thing looked like spoiled food tin

13:31

girl was then sent on the premises, to explain that because they failed to have an online presence, either they let her photograph select items for her master or else they lose the sale.

13:31

they didn't merely lose the sale ; but specifically sov-style she was "asked to leave".

13:32

because average ustard actually perceives that a) limiting himself to his broke-ass, never-seen-money-in-life compatriots is not merely an acceptable business strategy, but legally mandatory and b) the correct response to "unexpected situation" is "nopenopenopenopenope".

13:32

notwithstanding that universally "unexpected situation" is the subjective perception of "we utterly fucked up".

13:33

the argentinization of the united states is so far progressed, i literally can not distinguish between the two by now. they make the same 0 sales.

13:35

ie, problem is WAY the fuck worse than mere failure along the lines of http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/#selection-91.829-95.1 ; they literally have given up on commerce as a going concern, and universally.

13:35

"money is not doing, inca is doing" "nothin' doin'"

13:38

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846883 << bwahaha.

13:38

Logged on 2018-09-02 16:25 diana_coman: in principle yes; in practice, I'm not sure anymore where does scrubbing end essentially

13:38

um i mean, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846882 << bwahaha.

13:38

Logged on 2018-09-02 16:24 diana_coman: to me apple stuff is still essentially a fashion item and yes, usually that comes with insanity as far as I can tell

13:38

eminently quotable line!

13:40

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846904 << ask diana_coman about that rum.

13:40

Logged on 2018-09-02 17:03 asciilifeform: ( oblig. emulated-mircea_popescu answers, 'why do you need to take a comp on airplanes! sit on throne, in beach, drink rum, instead' )

~ 26 minutes ~

14:07

deedbot

http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-august-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2018 Statement

14:07

^ shares allocated also.

14:17

BingoBoingo

<asciilifeform> it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with << Well, butane is actually good refrigerant

14:29

ah, the rum diplomatico, YES!

14:30

kek

14:31

time warner cable sucks

14:31

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Mocky says from a coffee shop

14:31

well, it was so good, we kept sipping it and then it would have been a pity to leave behind and then it's ugly to pack an opened bottle and so ...we finished it :P

14:32

all in one evening, lol!

14:33

no, no,there was a bit more for 2nd evening :P

14:33

and one longish evening too

14:33

lol

14:34

anyway, matches exactly my first encounter with the thing.

14:34

hanbot had a good chuckle

14:34

Mocky sooo... is you is or is you ain't mah arab ?

14:35

I is

14:35

cool deal.

14:36

it was worth a good chuckle :P

14:36

!!pay Mocky 2

14:36

deedbot

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14:38

hanbot

mircea_popescu hanbot also had a good chuckle when diana_coman's kiddo found the backseat stash: "i've found a thing!"

14:38

ahahaha, yes; well, he had found it!

14:39

Mocky : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8BkIn/?raw=true

14:39

lmao.

14:40

hanbot was it quite a thing or just a bit ?

14:40

mircea_popescu, ok!

14:41

adventure!

14:44

BingoBoingo

Mocky: Congrats on making the decision to jump the fence

14:46

thx, this is quite exciting

14:47

habibi, btw, means friend/brother.

14:47

and ghamse means 5.

14:47

there, the republic has equipped you with a very useful book in dealing with the locals.

14:47

going DRRRRRRRINGGG / MEEEEEAOWWWW not so advisable tho.

14:50

my grandma would always tell me my name means kindhearted friend/brother...

14:50

right.

14:50

every time my little brother got really annoying!

14:51

meanwhile in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846369 : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bancofail.jpg

14:51

Logged on 2018-09-01 00:24 trinque: ah got it. bank shenanigans never end.

14:51

Mocky o btw, you absolutely gotta try wearing the gelabeya or w/e they call it there.

14:51

mircea_popescu: what happened at that bancomat ?

14:51

asciilifeform it was too short for me.

14:51

lol!!

14:52

gulliver

14:52

hey, midget banks.

14:52

can't raise to the occasion.

14:54

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846913 << why wouldja send emissaries to usa to buy chinese plastic cocks. ( even i knew -- nothing else is sold there )

14:54

Logged on 2018-09-02 17:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846877 << this is nothing. girl got sent (to major us metropolitan area) to scout for specific sex shop items. returned list of "best sex shops" in early stage. upon review of their "online store" it was discovered a) they are 100% cheap-ass white label crap, exactly indistinct from what douchebag would run and b) entirtely not representative of 1% of the stock of the brick and mortar store.

14:54

asciilifeform because the self-same emissaries hold ridiculous goange in the head about how usa is something other than the garbage heap everyone urinates upon.

14:54

( tho, whoknows, perhaps grummann & lockheed make 50k usd titanium cocks... madeinusa!111 . i have not tried to buy. )

14:55

this being the difference between us. i -- have tried. errything.

14:55

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asciilifeform believes.

14:56

i recall a thread where mircea_popescu contracted a foundry to make a whipping fixture or what was it, because argentines can't make anyffing

14:57

the thread goes on AND ON. recall the exploded power line ? or the papier mache heating element ?

14:57

there's a lot of this in late byzantine artefactry, too, btw.

14:57

aha

14:57

crapple meanwhile догнал и перегнал ar

14:59

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mircea_popescu would like to point out at this juncture that the fellow known as orban was in fact very not hungarian, but a transylvanian fellow. from brasov.

14:59

the fall of the pantsuit citadel depends on technology transfer. ending the bullshit one impregnable fortress at a time.

15:00

" he originally offered his services to the Byzantines, but emperor Constantine XI could not afford his high salary nor did he possess the materials necessary" <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846775 quite fucking EXACTLY.

15:00

Logged on 2018-09-02 01:53 mircea_popescu: time to learn that there's a time to grease, if one aims to avoid anal rape lubed in own blood.

15:01

btw recall one gerald bull ?

15:01

modern would-be orban

15:01

meanwhile in #hatefacts, http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-restores-ottoman-history-in-hungary-132727

15:02

( canadian. pantsuit took contract on him, successfully )

15:02

asciilifeform was this the shoot satellite guy ?

15:02

'babylon' cannon

15:02

sort of a modern-day hochdruckpumpe

15:02

moron lived in belgium aha.

15:03

160 metre barrel.

15:04

incidentally, ~that~ may be a good use of ye olde pellet gun.

15:04

make a lengthy light barrel, do most of the acceleration towards the end, loose less energy to ^5 rule.

15:07

I'm getting "#pizarro :Cannot send to nick/channel" so will just drop this here: I created a dir named 'wwwhabeeb' in my shared hosting account. can you set me up to have domain mockyhabeeb.com be fed from that?

15:07

mod6: plz add Mocky to #p voice

15:08

Mocky need to identify with nickserv, they prolly put +r on ; why new domain i don't get it ?!

15:08

use your blog, that's what you have it for.

15:09

mircea_popescu: giant artillery is a fertile field , imho ( take for instance the concept of evacuated barrel. impressive results even among basement aficionados with air rifles, in these )

15:11

expensive, but for same dough as the usg gigantic laser nonsense can get much bigger bang.

15:11

i even saw ancient "invention", was pretty entertaining : barrel has holes cut, through which walls can fall in. as the projectile moves through barrel it clicks the supports walls fall behind it, leaving a chamber. low pressure (ordinary 50kg air compressor) resulting in common bullet shooting at supersonic speeds.

15:12

supersonic per se is not so difficult to achieve, ordinary air rifle gives routinely

15:12

right.

15:12

but usually with tiny pellets. this fired 50-100g sorta things.

15:13

mircea_popescu, it's not new just sitting unused. I'll use blog, yes. If I find a use for the alternate, will be ready to go

15:13

a ok.

15:13

but do not fall into the trap of "this is for engineering and this is for fucking and this is for..."

15:13

( btw modern air rifle, not the break-open type but the refinement of the austrian 1700s concept, where you pump for hour to fill the bottle, is mighty impressive item, i have one here for pest control, readily punches hole in several wooden planks laid together )

15:13

a man divided upon himself can not stand. let people looking for mockybot gaze upon mockycock, it's good for them.

15:14

asciilifeform truth be told ordinary air can get packed pretty tight before it becomes degenerate matter.

15:14

this one takes ~300 atmosphere

15:15

http://www.northshorecompressor.com/ << dealers wanted!

15:15

the interesting bit is that you can get the 300 atm by ~hand~

15:15

takes a while tho.

15:16

anyway, https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2200/84dac/product_images/uploaded_images/nc-20-industrial-web.jpg << 6k psi item not so big deal

15:16

asciilifeform takes a while and very good quality mechanicals.

15:16

takes about 40min, if you're in shape

15:16

can use electric compressor, as mircea_popescu's photo, but these are finnicky & expensive, need regular oiling

15:17

folx who fill diving tanks, use these.

15:17

for humans, 6k psi ~= 40 kn/mm^2

15:18

it is interesting to consider the austrian rifle -- was 'wunderwaffe' of its time, picture, <1s/shot , and iirc 50+ shots on one bottle, with ~= energy to musket of the time

15:19

was finnicky/expensive tech tho, and did not catch on

15:19

their compressor was a thing resembling old school fire brigade pump, the kind with seesaw handle

15:21

still, you have to have finely machined fine alloys.

15:22

interestingly the weak point was not the metals, then, but the pressure gasket. they had to use leather.

15:22

which had to be wet.

15:22

dry air -- leaks.

15:23

as anyone who's ever had surpise sex knows.

15:23

erry time i read about 'faberge' era tech, astonished re what was possible

15:23

consider von kempelen's creations, say.

15:23

quite.

15:24

certainly well the fuck more was possible than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846916 bullshit.

15:24

Logged on 2018-09-02 17:31 mircea_popescu: they didn't merely lose the sale ; but specifically sov-style she was "asked to leave".

15:26

lolyes

15:29

speaking of both artillery and teh anglo-jewishness, i find it funny there's so much hay about agincourt etc, but hardly ever mentioned teh equally lulzy battle of castillion.

15:29

anglos were thoroughly fucked up by french artillery there.

15:34

deedbot

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