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00:27 ave1 asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different)
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00:27 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 21:46 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, we have our first idjit with ~current~ key that sits down straight on an old popped mod : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/391BBDCC87CBADA0F891176D9D45D80B7D5D076E4551151F42B104B717F5E449
00:27 lobbesbot ave1: Sent 1 day, 4 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <phf> ^
00:28 ave1 phf, link was wrong should have been: http://ave1.org/tarpit/tmsr-pgp-genesis.vpatch.ave1.sig. I updated the link in the post.
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00:49 phf ave1: ty, you've been placed http://btcbase.org/patches/tmsr-pgp-genesis
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04:53 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832560 <-- yeah, one of the fun (if messy) parts in exploring the beast's entrails. can notice clearly the worms eating at it.
04:53 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 14:44 mircea_popescu: re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html#selection-149.0-153.220 : you should see the "easy to detect" over @ fetlife, fucktards have five dozen DIFFERENT failure modes, all of them ujust as "specifically laid out". bot code is 60% "handle inept error pages" by mass. so fucking evident it's the result of "incremental development", too.
05:00 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832697 <-- historical walk of users by id, yes. but keys are grabbed via shithub.usg/luser.keys, which yields luser's set of keys at the time of the curl.
05:00 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 21:38 mircea_popescu: consider, he walks a historical table.
05:04 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832633 <-- ok. this'll be a very good exercise for the spyked patch-making muscle, I need it.
05:04 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 17:24 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832542 << I'd be much obliged if you did, staying on cuntoo dev until done.
05:08 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832806 <-- it certainly looks this way, these are keys that are in both the phathub-2015 and 2018 datasets, and this particular one belongs to the same user. but note that the 2018 one doesn't have a key id (I inserted the user id instead), that one was only available when grabbing the key through the API.
05:08 a111 Logged on 2018-07-08 04:27 ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different)
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05:56 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832552 <-- updated with non-rsa keys: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html#selection-220.0-220.4
05:56 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 13:47 spyked: asciilifeform, phathub file contains RSA e and N only. but that's a good point, should also post the other ones under some raw form.
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08:48 deedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html << The Tar Pit - A photographic tour of Bucharest; in today's issue: Lacul Morii
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09:18 asciilifeform in other noose, snarfing complete, 2nd dupe found, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E7F1A77C5BC62EBC7D363251EA4A619BD704ED95C32BC5099917934CAB1EA41
09:19 asciilifeform totals : 4605939 keys eaten, 4605441 mods among'em.
09:24 asciilifeform later today -- output.
09:26 asciilifeform per above, we get the astonishing find that, since 2016 , all but 498 lusers either: a) got booted from shithub or b) swapped key
09:32 asciilifeform or hm, nm, closer look shows 395480 old mods; they ended up (correctly) marked for retest by asciilifeform's ancient logic
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11:36 mircea_popescu tbh 498 sounds closer to genuine github userbase figures.
11:39 asciilifeform sadly i dun have 'the genuine figs', all i got is this.
11:39 asciilifeform it aint as if they dun know how to generate rando key to go with spamola rando luser acct tho.
11:40 mircea_popescu evidently.\
11:54 phf ave1, asciilifeform or other ada specialists, how did you bootstrap a gnat on aarch64? is there some binary that's floating around (because adacore doesn't seem to have linux-aarch64 build) or is it bootstrapped using a cross compiler on a x86 linux?
11:55 phf i very briefly looked at ave1's script, and i'm guessing that's what it's supposed to do (besides musl related): build a x86 hosted aarch64 crosscompiler, build an aarch64 build using that compiler?
11:56 asciilifeform phf: ave1's recent breakthrough was specifically this -- a rotor-style cross-compile process that takes an existing amd64 gnat, and builds a particular other gnat for whatever arch
11:56 asciilifeform so yes.
11:58 phf ok, thank you. afaiu though ave1's build is potentially missing all kinds of system integration components, or is the retargeting against custom ada stdlib optional?
11:59 asciilifeform not optional
11:59 asciilifeform it's a musltronic build, like rotor. so it builds absolutely errything that is needed for a working static elf-outputting gnat.
11:59 asciilifeform and quite correctly, you cannot link these with anything that it itself did not build.
12:01 mircea_popescu nobinary!
12:02 phf asciilifeform: is it possible to combine musl and libc on a same gentoo system (gentoo insists i use something they call crossdev, i haven't yet looked into it further) (i'm using your aarch64 gentoo root file system)?
12:04 asciilifeform phf: only on a system where the systemwide crapola is traditional (glibc) and your musl item is a homedir-local build, a la rotor.
12:04 phf ah, word.
12:04 asciilifeform phf: as discussed in the recent diana_coman thread, if you want systemwide musl-anythings, gotta have a pure musl box.
12:05 phf i followed that thread with one eye, and now i regret it. gotta revisit
12:05 mircea_popescu "Speaking of below, above" lmao spyked's forging himself a new poetic language, full of verve and unexpectedness!
12:06 phf he's a crypto-alchemist, leaving hints in the logs for future generations
12:07 mircea_popescu just has a very personal relationship with the poor lang, fo sho.
12:08 asciilifeform phf: ave1's item is pretty great, it resulted in tarballs containing working bins of amd64 and arm64 gnat; the latter worx great on my desk rockchip. the only item that dunwork of yet is the repeat of said process ~on~ arm64 (to crossbuild amd64 gnat there)
12:08 * mircea_popescu similarly guilty.
12:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, i thought he finessed that too ?
12:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly, but i haven't tested his pill yet ( iirc not yet published on his www )
12:09 mircea_popescu aok
12:10 asciilifeform a Troo Eternal gnat oughta be able to build itself ad-infinitum, jumping archs as necessary
12:10 asciilifeform y'know, sorta like c compiler in the olden dayz.
12:11 mircea_popescu indeed.
12:11 asciilifeform phf: are you in the midst of planting the thing on c101pa box?
12:13 phf asciilifeform: yes
12:13 asciilifeform neato
12:13 mircea_popescu http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html#selection-141.182-141.386 << dood has a fucking point. you should see the morons here, i suspect they sleep in the damned things. their idea of "dressing up" is ~a different blouse~ atop the grafted-on jeans. they have shops catering to this specifically, "dress-up blouses shop". in most social situations i actually own 99.9x% of all human females dressed like human females
12:13 mircea_popescu rather than impersonating sourdough miners.
12:13 asciilifeform phf: theoretically it oughta run there without modification
12:16 phf i suspect also that ave1's build is missing functionality that vtools requires, i want to see what that slice looks like, possibly fix it
12:16 mircea_popescu certainly the hasher :D
12:16 asciilifeform phf: at this point, if something dun build under musltronic gnat, the problem is with item, not with the gnat
12:18 phf asciilifeform: i didn't expect anything less generous
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12:56 BingoBoingo This is largely a country a jeans grafters too
12:56 BingoBoingo At least in winter. In the summer shorts do come out
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16:14 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/ << esthlos - Routes to Keccak in esthlos-v
16:17 esthlos wrt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832726 and asciilifeform 's "sad mode", the idea of using the manifest was the confusing way the fuck back in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-07#1787163 , where I thought "oh, mp wants me to build a vtron using manifest to resolve tree, guess I need a manifest spec!"
16:17 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 23:27 phf: i've been using vpatch/vdiff without full blown v, because i can order the patches by hand (and there's now an explicit ordering provided by manifest), and vpatch verifies the hashes for me. it would be handy if i could also press existing sha patches with `vpatch -a sha` or whatever
16:17 a111 Logged on 2018-03-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ?
16:23 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832731 << looks like yeah, I have ancient vdiff, taken from the classic http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
16:23 a111 Logged on 2018-07-07 23:58 phf: esthlos: your v_genesis patch is broken, http://btcbase.org/patches/v_genesis/file "contact" etc.
16:32 esthlos phf I fixed those files if you'd like them, at http://files.esthlos.com/crypto/esthlos-v/v_genesis.vpatch and http://files.esthlos.com/crypto/esthlos-v/v_genesis.vpatch.esthlos.sig
16:32 esthlos bbl
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18:50 mod6 all caught up on logs.
18:50 mod6 how's everyone doing?
18:50 BingoBoingo Not bad
18:50 mod6 nice :]
18:51 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/another-case-of-human-labor-masquerading-as-ai-exposed/ << Qntra - Another Case Of Human Labor Masquerading As AI Exposed
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19:32 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-1/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 1
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21:14 asciilifeform esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-07 << phuctor, not phunctor, lol
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21:18 mircea_popescu check out the aggressive mp.
21:27 asciilifeform in other lullities :
21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/391BBDCC87CBADA0F891176D9D45D80B7D5D076E4551151F42B104B717F5E449
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21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E7F1A77C5BC62EBC7D363251EA4A619BD704ED95C32BC5099917934CAB1EA41
21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07D36937F9F275F5AD92B6D397BBE17BA97FE32DA1BAB6D74F79F4630B8F686B
21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C53BB07585337A00976B8666F121358E0F05673DE88096B8B9D42EA475843C12
21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6E4958477F09D96D009E1C5D5AADFC0E982078F819FA8F24133B2E929053640
21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B40D542177EE42B221CD83C7D55EB24AC593ABD186879DC6186E2414809C5C8
21:27 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24D4646DCCA7BF31D2F07E76FCD110387B4BFB2E716882DF03E52DEAE7A5C46F
21:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07D36937F9F275F5AD92B6D397BBE17BA97FE32DA1BAB6D74F79F4630B8F686B
21:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C53BB07585337A00976B8666F121358E0F05673DE88096B8B9D42EA475843C12
21:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6E4958477F09D96D009E1C5D5AADFC0E982078F819FA8F24133B2E929053640
21:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B40D542177EE42B221CD83C7D55EB24AC593ABD186879DC6186E2414809C5C8
21:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24D4646DCCA7BF31D2F07E76FCD110387B4BFB2E716882DF03E52DEAE7A5C46F
21:28 asciilifeform and that's the whole harvest.
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21:46 mircea_popescu dozen exactly ?
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21:53 mircea_popescu esthlos can't select portions of your blog! but anyway, "Make a new patch with esthlos-v_genesis and some node of the EuCrypt tree as parents." wasn't contemplated, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592769
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21:53 a111 Logged on 2016-12-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: just search for me screaming "there's only one genesis" and frothing at the mouth.
21:54 mircea_popescu so it was, "re-grind your genesis ~as a patch upon eucrypt~."
21:55 mircea_popescu and yes, the effort to understand is not getting cut out.
22:00 mircea_popescu http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/#footnote_5_24 << signing a patch signifies, at the common basis, a) that the signer has read the patch and that b) in his best effort determination b1) the transformation that the specified patch brings upon b2) the exact codebase specified will not b3) ~introduce~ properties that are b4) novel, unobvious and nefarious (all three).
22:01 mircea_popescu this is the "default genesis" so to speak of any signature's seals. if the owner patches upon it, to make it eg "this is a lulz signature, will sign all retarded implementations with it", that'd be his problem, and yours only by the extension of, "why are you trusting signatures without knowing the owner enough to have seen the actual meaning-patch-tree he uses".
22:02 mircea_popescu that satisfies ?
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22:04 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832898 << 2 oldies ( from prev shot and still alive, evidently )
22:04 a111 Logged on 2018-07-09 01:46 mircea_popescu: dozen exactly ?
22:04 mircea_popescu incredible enough, >0 still breakable.
22:04 mircea_popescu i guess the cosmic ray is still powered on.
22:04 asciilifeform aha!
22:05 asciilifeform can click on factor to see who's debianized etc
22:07 asciilifeform debian, 'gift keeps on giving', lol
22:07 mircea_popescu of course, this may just be a problem of optics. apple tree keeps on giving for 30+ years, debian so far smoking nervously in the 1st decade corner.
22:08 * asciilifeform still finds it surreal that anybody wanted anyffing whatsoever to do with debian after the 'bug'
22:08 mircea_popescu as xerox parc and say symbolics well proved (and crapple, shittysoft, etc all eagerly copied), no computer science matters for very long.
22:08 asciilifeform lol science
22:09 mircea_popescu if my slavegirl coco asked me in the 50s if i recommend she go into fashion or into computing, she'd still have been coco chanel.
22:09 mircea_popescu lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so.
22:10 mircea_popescu and ~just as~ in the computer case, fashion also has some kind of vague relation with objective realities. somewhat. tit holes usually go in front, registers usually go on a bus, sorta level of reality constraint.
22:10 asciilifeform go into pest control.. at least those roaches actually die sometimes when you spray'em
22:10 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so. << Whoever came up with those graft jeans has a legacy
22:11 asciilifeform to carry on with analogy, it is not yet even clear to asciilifeform whether there even is a kitchen beneath the writhing mass.
22:11 mircea_popescu afaik it was the discotards that introduced them into zek wardrobe. definitely 70s item
22:12 mircea_popescu possibly to be pinned on that y s laurent faggot.
22:13 mircea_popescu https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Well_dressed_couple%2C_Michigan_Avenue%2C_Chicago%2C_circa_July_1975.jpg/596px-Well_dressed_couple%2C_Michigan_Avenue%2C_Chicago%2C_circa_July_1975.jpg << roflmao @ wikipedia. seriously, "Couple" ? not pimp'n'ho ? USURE ?
22:14 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform dun know diff b/w laurent, chanell, coco, all same to my orc eye.
22:14 asciilifeform and largely associated with spam in my head, being the only place i ever encountered said strings.
22:15 * asciilifeform brb
22:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform coco chanel was an interesting enough woman.
22:22 mircea_popescu basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer.
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