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00:30 mod6 i broke my trb blockchain.
00:30 mod6 thing was stuck, flooded with connections, not keeping up, wouldn't respond to any rpc calls. this going on for hours and hours. finally i just killed it. i probably instead should have just firewalled off 8333 instead.
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00:31 mod6 anyway, now the db is corrupt.
00:31 mod6 will need to probably resync the whole thing.
00:31 mod6 this ip from the nodes list: 208.94.240.42
00:36 lobbes ouch... I could see myself doing the same thing
00:38 mod6 yeah, ensure that if something like this happens to you, you do not kill it -- instead firewall it off. wait until all connections drop.
00:38 mod6 i think i'm just gonna cutblock all the blk*.dat files, and eatblock 'em.
00:38 mod6 should take 10 days.
00:39 * lobbes makes a literal note
00:42 mod6 i'll probably just turn all of this into a blog post.
00:44 mircea_popescu mod6 nah, listen, do you have an index saved ?
00:45 mircea_popescu just reinstate the old index, have it check the chain. odds are it'll be able to recover, because it doesn't so much care about data ~past~ its index point.
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00:54 mod6 i have a backed up index, but its from long ago.
00:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile in the basement, https://78.media.tumblr.com/df0b4f8fa317c5110325b4496d0a7dee/tumblr_o6gtpxaWH61rhup7qo1_540.gif
00:55 mircea_popescu mod6 backups are your friend! this whole trb stuff is a little friable.
00:55 mod6 anyway, will try it. (it's from january)
00:56 mircea_popescu then maybe not worth it, likely will take more than 10 days to sync
00:56 mod6 ah. perhaps ya.
00:57 mod6 but backing up the chain is a good idea. i actually have backups more recent than that, but from other trbs, not this specific one.
00:58 mircea_popescu ah. yeah, i mean weekly rotation, monthly, something.
01:03 mod6 *nod*, lesson learned.
01:10 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828740 << so I figured it out: cause of downtime ended up being a flood of tor exit nodes >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VYVGW/?raw=true
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01:10 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 16:14 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828477 << ack, ty for letting me know. I'll try sshing in tonight to rule out webserver failure before I flag down BB to check out the situation manually. (I must say, it is a good feeling knowing that nowhere in this troubleshooting cycle will I need to interface with orcs.)
01:11 lobbes snippet of access log for additional wtf >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DtslR/?raw=true
01:12 mircea_popescu lobbes that's not overmuch by web standards. same one or diff ones ?
01:12 mircea_popescu ah, crapolade trying to spam. shouldn't really bring mp-wp down afaik.
01:14 mircea_popescu of course... this is the rockchip ?
01:15 lobbes word, well that is good to know at least.I tried to deny a shitload of em via virtualhosts.conf. Blog is back up for now, but I half-expect it to be down again by morning
01:15 lobbes yeah, rockchip
01:15 lobbes and to boot, I tried setting up some rules in iptables, but it barfs claiming it is missing 'insmod' module or somesuch
01:16 lobbes in other words, iptables currently unavailable until I figure out more of arm64 peculiarities
01:16 mircea_popescu the thing is very stringently optimized to waste as little as possible on the spammer wanna-bes, but then again i never tried it on an arm.
01:17 mircea_popescu i could say "trilema runs like that ~70% of the time", but then again trilema's got a larger box. pretty sure you can set it up though so it rejects multiple conns like that. there's a setting somewhere to limit inbound.
01:22 lobbes hm, yeah, looks like there is mod_limitipconn but the arm64 support looks dismal >> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/www-apache/mod_limitipconn
01:23 mircea_popescu mod_whateverthefuck the common one also can do it for you. and also csf or w/e you use to manage the firewall.
01:25 mircea_popescu in principle saying something like "no more than x connection from a given ip will be entertained" is perfectly reasonable ; though careful how low you set the x, some browsers (especially the mobile versions dedicated to fucking as much battery as possible) can turn a pageload into 10-20 simultaneous requests.
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01:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile poolside, https://78.media.tumblr.com/3f6248c3f0a886611472762ba6bf4bbb/tumblr_inline_p1onsoyrKB1vpaf4h_500.gif
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08:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829030 << hey mod6 is this the same box as in the last coupla similar threads, with the questionable hdd ?
08:42 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 04:30 mod6: thing was stuck, flooded with connections, not keeping up, wouldn't respond to any rpc calls. this going on for hours and hours. finally i just killed it. i probably instead should have just firewalled off 8333 instead.
08:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829041 << mircea_popescu has it , index is the only piece that actually bitrots ( bdb was written by the maliciously retarded )
08:44 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 04:45 mircea_popescu: just reinstate the old index, have it check the chain. odds are it'll be able to recover, because it doesn't so much care about data ~past~ its index point.
08:45 asciilifeform fwiw asciilifeform has not suffered this problem in many yrs, for box on uninterruptible power ( and resist the temptation to fiddle! no it ain't 'stuck', it stands up again by itself in coupla hrs ) -- no bitrot
08:46 asciilifeform unless dying hdd, etc, all bets off then.
08:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829051 << lobbes didja determine what proggy (e.g. apache?) it was that actually fell down ?
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08:46 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 05:10 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828740 << so I figured it out: cause of downtime ended up being a flood of tor exit nodes >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VYVGW/?raw=true
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10:46 asciilifeform meanwhile, for fyootoor ref, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829003 >>>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F5EC26698365939D499561F385A39A4217604DEB38913D71AFD135B28009DAF
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10:46 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 02:09 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t16fl/?raw=true << dump of RW key
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11:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform same here, lotta problems in 2012ish but meanwhile fuzzed out the weird, learned like ox, by trying.
12:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for comparison : the last time i reset 'zoolag' was to change ps. and the time before that -- to swap in the 'aggression' build
12:01 mircea_popescu aha
12:01 asciilifeform thing has roughly same uptime as its upstream isp.
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12:33 mircea_popescu meanwhile in true romance, https://78.media.tumblr.com/026a35dd07d2f0e4b08676f607ad9f52/tumblr_nconfxDv7X1rzv0kmo1_400.gif
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12:57 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828933 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829007 >> https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/chip/g/signed_header.h >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ro_signature.txt ( not the only 1, but illustrative )
12:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 22:35 asciilifeform: if nobody finds obvious mistake, i guess i'ma have to pull an actual enemy signature out of the binariola, and see wtf
12:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 02:18 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/corod/?raw=true << the RO pubkey. (labels mine, offsets original). does not appear to be posted publicly anywhere.
12:57 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:57 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829030 << hey mod6 is this the same box as in the last coupla similar threads, with the questionable hdd ? << yup, same item. will post more about it later for sure.
12:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 04:30 mod6: thing was stuck, flooded with connections, not keeping up, wouldn't respond to any rpc calls. this going on for hours and hours. finally i just killed it. i probably instead should have just firewalled off 8333 instead.
12:57 * asciilifeform takes break, lets the red hot barrels cool...
13:00 asciilifeform mod6: by all indications you have a box with iron problem. in your place i'd get a fresh set of iron, rather than sinking sweat into interpreting randomly flipped bits as 'bug'
13:09 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf other interesting observations: 1) loader is not the same as what appears in the src, in either 3.3 or 3.4 fw bin; not only key differs, but eggog strings, and possibly the rsa per se. 2) seems like : nowhere else in the fw is there any other routine which checksums/rsaverifies the cr50 fw , or references the rsa keyz at all other than to print keyid .
13:09 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
13:10 asciilifeform summary : google set up what is likely a deliberate bullshit dangle re the loader src; for reasons that are yet unclear
13:11 asciilifeform not a terribly high quality dangle, took roughly a day to uncover.
13:13 mircea_popescu google would lie ?!
13:13 asciilifeform never!111
13:13 mircea_popescu this comes as such a shock to absolutely nobody.
13:14 asciilifeform the only even mild surprise is the sheer pile of echafaudage
13:15 mircea_popescu well, the cloud of oricsh morons a la amstan are an expensive luxury.
13:15 mircea_popescu useless, it is true. but expensive nevertheleess.
13:16 asciilifeform pretty great lolcow, btw, that d00d. spilled what he thought was a carefully incomplete pile of beans to 'get asciilifeform to waste months making debug cable', i suspect, didn't quite expect us to get a working one in 1wk
13:18 asciilifeform since his monumental 'nobody has the keys!' gem, all i saw of him was that 1 time he popped in here and drooled for coupla min.
13:18 mircea_popescu eh. from a statistical perspective, it can't be said we don't get enough tards talking, so...
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13:34 asciilifeform btw i did figure out the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828757 matter -- their key format reserves 1st 4bytes for 'keyid' . but the lulzimplementation pictured in the (useless, doesn't seem to occur in the bin) published 'loader', treats the key as starting there . as i currently understand, couldn't actually work as written, barring some mathematical curio
13:34 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 18:17 asciilifeform: static const uint32_t LOADERKEY_A[RSA_NUM_WORDS + 1] = { ...blah... } where #define RSA_NUM_WORDS 96 ...
13:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828901 << this kind of thing was a multi-week headache for asciilifeform the last time he had to actually uncork the launch codes and move coin; and i expect that it will only ever get worse
13:36 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 21:55 ben_vulpes: next thing i'm going to try is manually walk the spend-to-self down by 100 satoshis until this trb shits a tx out and then look at what it produces
13:37 asciilifeform possibly the 2nd dumbest thing shitoshi did, after the mining algo -- the coin fragging nonsense.
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13:59 ben_vulpes would it be sensible for the send* commands to eat a changeaddress argument?
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14:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: absolutely, this has been a sore spot of asciilifeform's since day1
14:06 mircea_popescu yes.
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14:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-16#1434267 << see also oldthread
14:58 a111 Logged on 2016-03-16 15:42 mircea_popescu: both the "shittier than historical" and "new addr for change" bits are satoshi's dubious kludges to protect "anonimity"
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15:27 BingoBoingo In miscellani-lulz: "The Serbian football association says it will demand that FIFA take action against Granit Xhaka and Xherdan Shaqiri for their eagle salute goal celebrations in Switzerland’s 2-1 World Cup win in Kaliningrad on Friday. Shaqiri and Xhaka, both of whom were born in Kosovo and are of Albanian descent, celebrated their goals in Switzerland’s comeback win by making an eagle salute in apparent reference to the Alban
15:27 BingoBoingo ian flag." << Apparently the whole swiss team is Albanian or Bosnian
15:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/austria-threatens-border-controls-against-increasingly-isolated-germany/ << Qntra - Austria Threatens Border Controls Against Increasingly Isolated Germany
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16:03 phf asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPu8iRwZBZU
16:03 lobbesbot phf: Sent 3 hours and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828933 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829007 >> https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/chip/g/signed_header.h >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ro_signature.txt ( not the only 1, but illustrative )
16:03 lobbesbot phf: Sent 2 hours and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> other interesting observations: 1) loader is not the same as what appears in the src, in either 3.3 or 3.4 fw bin; not only key differs, but eggog strings, and possibly the rsa per se. 2) seems like : nowhere else in the fw is there any other routine which checksums/rsaverifies the cr50 fw , or references the rsa keyz at all other than to print keyid .
16:09 mircea_popescu you dare speak in #trilema ?! here's eight lines of stuff from the logs!
16:10 asciilifeform lol!
16:16 phf "have you been reading your log? but in case you haven't here's some more log in your log"
16:25 mircea_popescu exactly!
16:28 * asciilifeform was aiming to nail down from what derives what, rather than flooding phf, lel
16:33 asciilifeform the other interesting bit ( from asciilifeform's disasm of the 3.4 fw) is that there doesn't seem to be any pinning of the keys! ( i.e. i can't currently find any reason why it wouldn't eat a rw-fw update signed with a variant key, so long as said key is stuffed in where expected)
16:35 asciilifeform nao this is imho hard to swallow ('submarine with screen door') and so currently i'm assuming that i simply missed something. will have to test, at any rate.
16:39 phf "beware of dog"? seems unlikely though..
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16:40 BingoBoingo I have become utterly unaccustomed to dogs being beasts to fear
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17:05 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829108 << the alternative, which would be a smaller patch, is a "setchangeaddr" RPC function. i'm leery of changing the call signatures of sendfrom and sendmany, but doing so might be The Right Thing nevertheless
17:05 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 17:59 ben_vulpes: would it be sensible for the send* commands to eat a changeaddress argument?
17:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if changing the semantics, i recommend new names ( new commands )
17:12 asciilifeform eliminate possibility of confusion with old , or reactor meltdown if new trb is plugged into a scriptolade harness meant for old, etc
17:14 asciilifeform e.g. 'sendbtc to=<destaddr> change=<chgaddr> [from=<optionalfromaddr_0,optionalfromaddr_1,...,optionalfromaddr_n>]'
17:14 ben_vulpes it would be much easier to make a sendmanywithchangeaddr than to rework both sendfrom and sendmany
17:14 asciilifeform or some other name, but idea being that it must be 1) impossible to confuse it with old 2) keywords ~named~, no order dependency plox
17:14 ben_vulpes yeah that fucking horror of ordered args
17:15 asciilifeform srsly we have enuff pistols that fire from 2 ends. time for a normal one.
17:15 mircea_popescu hehehe
17:16 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: dun forget fee=<...>
17:16 ben_vulpes aha
17:16 ben_vulpes ty
17:16 asciilifeform and not optionally, but errytime.
17:19 asciilifeform upstack : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829075 << for the record , it withstood (not much surprise) phuctoring (incl. fermat etc)
17:19 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 14:46 asciilifeform: meanwhile, for fyootoor ref, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829003 >>>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F5EC26698365939D499561F385A39A4217604DEB38913D71AFD135B28009DAF
17:20 ben_vulpes am i thick or does nothing in the rpc take named args already?
17:21 asciilifeform not thick, this is so
17:21 ben_vulpes how cool
17:24 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: funnily enuff, ~this very item~ is how asciilifeform got mired in attempt to bolt a lisp onto trb
17:24 asciilifeform 'this arg parser, with all of the eggog handlings/safeties already weighs 85% of lisp interpreter...'
17:28 ben_vulpes noooooshit
17:29 asciilifeform writing parsers in overflowsanddanglingpointers-lang is braindamaged.
17:30 ben_vulpes sarcasm fails me in the face of cpp
17:30 asciilifeform ( btw, this does not appear to be in the l0gz as-such, so asciilifeform will note : c was an evil thing from ~birth~. on machines so impoverished that 'c is necessary', oughta be writing in asm; on machines where not necessary -- well, obvious )
17:34 mircea_popescu heh
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17:56 ben_vulpes !!up epony do you plan to register a key or what
17:56 deedbot epony voiced for 30 minutes.
17:57 epony don't know, I'll read on for now..
17:57 epony devoice if you please, nothing to say on my end
17:59 ben_vulpes epony: what do you perceive the cost of registering a key to be?
17:59 ben_vulpes put another way, why *not* do it?
18:00 epony because, why would I want to say anything before getting a feel of the tone of the conversation..
18:01 epony put another way, ephemeral is nice
18:01 ben_vulpes consider, one day, you find yourself inspired to say something, you then go to register a key first? and then conversation gets derailed with "oh ho, look who finally registered a key" or alternatively "oh ho, who are you now?"
18:02 ben_vulpes chance favors the prepared keyring or what was it.
18:02 epony I'll then say "just nobody" :-)
18:03 epony It's fun playing mental experiments anyway
18:03 ben_vulpes epony: still haven't digested the epsilon appetite for nobodies? not obvious in your 11 days reading?
18:03 epony I cherry pick 1 line at a view.
18:10 epony I think it's 9 days since I pop back in.
18:10 epony Don't know where these 11 days come from...
18:11 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823667
18:11 a111 Logged on 2018-06-12 06:20 mircea_popescu: !!up epony
18:11 epony :)
18:11 ben_vulpes assuming that epony is this epony
18:11 epony same
18:12 epony so, idling 12-15 and out... back in 9 days...
18:12 ben_vulpes dun dun dun
18:21 asciilifeform this reminds me, not long ago asciilifeform picked up a little chinese toy, item shaped like tennis raquet but the wires are charged to 4000v and connect to (small) cap; a sort of mechanized fly swatter, they pop, little blue plasma burst, vapour. nominally. so then , having used it, later i see a most peculiar insect, did not immediately realize what it is, never having seen before. looked closely, turns out -- fly head + front legs
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18:21 asciilifeform , still waking along, mostly torso-less and wingless...
18:22 asciilifeform *walking
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19:47 asciilifeform mm pretty satisfying, swinging that thing through cloud of mosquito
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21:12 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: by all indications you have a box with iron problem. in your place i'd get a fresh set of iron, rather than sinking sweat into interpreting randomly flipped bits as 'bug' << yeah for sure, it certainly could be related to the disk issue. I don't really think it's a 'bug' or anything.
21:13 mod6 I'll call these guys and get them to throw in a ~new~ SSD for me this time. Or will just pay out, and find new service.
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