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04:19 mircea_popescu trinque yeah, i have no clear model in my head of what's going on. but, i expect most load other than trb will be apache or something like it. and in my experience higher clock beats more cores once you have more than 4 or so, there.
04:19 mircea_popescu not much experience in that experience tho.
04:19 mircea_popescu re cooked : i don't expect anyone's getting cooked. half-decent run DC has no hotspot over 50 anyway, no matter what.
04:20 mircea_popescu the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.
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04:21 mircea_popescu this is a little like saying "hospital's no place for imunosupressed patients, they should be in their car, which people keep clean"
04:21 mircea_popescu for one thing, they don't. and for the other thing... really ?!
04:23 mircea_popescu but, in any case, more of a curio/bikeshed than anything i think. overclocking isn't likely to have more than a 1% if tyhat impact either way in bbisp affairs.
04:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782296 << yes. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782297 << the thing changed lots in 20 years. for isntance, there's actual bios support for the procedure by now. it's a lot like say roller skating, they got special safety gear and competitions and purpose-made plywood for the backyard, it's not the 80s anymoar sorta thing.
04:26 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 trinque: anybody here overclocked before?
04:26 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box.
04:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782302 << the cpu is worth 10% of the actual rig (disk, memory). it's the part getting fried for getting more out of the rig, if anything is.
04:28 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 03:57 TomServo: That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT.
04:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782304 << uruguay, dood. not fucking washington. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779553 & so fucking happy to have any business AT ALL after the impenetrable cloud of sheer imbecility they've surrounded themselves with...
04:30 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 03:58 TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight
04:30 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 16:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult
04:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?
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04:31 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 03:59 TomServo: but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it
04:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
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04:33 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:01 TomServo: but the air between machines isn't moving, right? if not by convection?
04:33 mircea_popescu or, for that matter, in a civilised house. because how the fuck would this work, modernity is built on airflow like the roman empire was built on running water.
04:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782329 << boxes with a pile of ram are not lowend by any definition of the term. ram is pretty much the only thing.
04:35 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:07 ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible.
04:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them
04:36 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
04:36 mircea_popescu /sarcasm
04:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782339 << sadly, i dun see how bbisp could provide platter. for one thing, it takes way the fuck more power. for the other, it simply dun work for one of the more important republican apps, teh trb. it's just... not there.
04:37 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:11 ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate.
04:37 mircea_popescu not to say we won't rack old school disks someone ships ; but i think that's about as far as that goes.
04:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782342 << kinda the idea, if i bother to send a librarian over to orcistan to start an isp, ima just as well challenge established belief. it's just sane business management.
04:41 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:13 TomServo: Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me.
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05:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782359 << hey, my car has a flask of rum in the net behind the front seat. and i drink it, too.
05:08 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:29 TomServo: some! contain no beer at all! strickly Windsor Canadian Whiskey
05:15 mircea_popescu aaand with that, ima be off to the beach! laters.
05:22 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/totally-legit-traffix-sir/ << Trilema - Totally legit traffix sir!
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07:44 BingoBoingo <TomServo> BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow. << This is sorta what I figured.
07:45 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack.
07:56 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782378 << HVAC provided airflow we do have. Air arrive into the cool aisle cool, Leaves the hot aisle not too incredibly much warmer but noticably so.
07:56 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 09:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
08:00 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
08:00 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8399.9, vol: 48731.91843205 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8309.9, vol: 141013.78401814 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8386.9, vol: 21024.6930137 | Volume-weighted last average: 8338.38964632
08:00 BingoBoingo Awe the crashing is crashing
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08:25 shinohai Buenas Dias BingoBoingo ... pronto llegara una Qntra
08:25 BingoBoingo Muchas gracias
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08:43 ave1 So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
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09:21 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jlCHQ/?raw=true
09:21 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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10:11 mod6 mornin'
10:11 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them << lol
10:11 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
10:21 phf !~later tell danielpbarron ack
10:21 jhvh1 phf: The operation succeeded.
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10:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782376 << lulzily enuff, it so happens that asciilifeform has, in actual life, racked variously overclocked konsoomer boxen, for industrial use. (and did not even, as might be the naive expectation, 'live to regret it!11' : in the ~particular~ application , it worked.) but asciilifeform is not in the spamming biznis; will not attempt to feed his advice down the throats of folx who specifically do no
10:38 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 09:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?
10:38 asciilifeform t want it.
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11:00 asciilifeform overclockism is an interesting subj and -- very heavily depending on the application ( i.e. is it cpu-bound ? or will you simply be making a hotter chip wait 800 cycles for each out-of-cache memory access instead of 500... ? ) can be The Right Thing. but i have nfi what use case mircea_popescu has in mind . ( mine was number-crunching, and i had specifically written the routine to fit in L0 . )
11:04 asciilifeform nao if he intends to overclock ~the memory~ ( konsoomer, ddr3 or even -4 , as i understand, non-ecc... ) , then the gods themselves...
11:06 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/07/photos-from-a-republican-rack/ << Bingo Blog - Photos From A Republican Rack
11:11 shinohai BingoBoingo: s/Gingo/Gringo/ ... also double `a's` in paint marker section. Nice norp though.
11:12 BingoBoingo ty, fxd
11:12 BingoBoingo Processing Qntra
11:12 shinohai ty!
11:12 BingoBoingo !~ticker market all
11:12 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
11:12 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
11:13 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8188.9, vol: 44808.28039899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8133.0, vol: 123457.99863739 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8157.1, vol: 18902.7274665 | Volume-weighted last average: 8148.81639322
11:23 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/02/mayoman-squeals-as-buterins-waterfall-weakens/ << Qntra - Mayoman Squeals As Buterin's Waterfall Weakens
11:23 shinohai Kudos on the mayoman pic BingoBoingo
11:23 BingoBoingo ^ Congrats shinohai on the first LATAM homed Qntra to get a picture
11:24 shinohai \o/
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11:45 mod6 BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside.
11:46 mod6 maybe take a couple so you hopefully get one less shakey.
11:47 BingoBoingo mod6: These requests have been noted on the paper of the to do for the next visit
11:49 mod6 Thank you Sir. From the box butts picture, from what i can tell, looks pretty much what I expected / standard. i.e. the 'fast'-rails that we've purchased should work ok. a few more images will help tho. thanks!
11:50 BingoBoingo Also next trip I am bringing a measuring tape. The hash marks go up to 20 in the middle of the cage before counting down again. I assume this means a 39 or 40 inch deep cabinet, but will measure myself to confirm.
11:51 mod6 Ah, good call.
11:52 mod6 Another, perhaps interesting set of images would be to take a pic of the front of the cabnet from off to the side a bit -- to show the perfereated tiles in the the floor (if it's done this way) ; and the same for the back.
11:58 mod6 something like this maybe: http://archive.is/kyJ7S
11:59 BingoBoingo In this hall, as per the post and previous mentions in the logs cooling comes from the monster chillers in the aisles. More specifically these guys https://www.vertivco.com/en-us/products-catalog/thermal-management/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv-in-row-cooling-system-19-40kw/
12:00 BingoBoingo In other halls they operate in montevideo they have the vertical room for raised floors, but in this building the vertical distance from structural concrete to more structural concrete is the limiting factor.
12:01 mod6 Oh, ok.
12:01 mod6 I was kinda confused on that part.
12:01 * mod6 looks at image
12:02 mod6 79"x12"x43"
12:02 mod6 do they have one per isle?
12:04 BingoBoingo Given the size and ratio of coolers to cabinets there seems to be a healthy amount of excess capacity. There is more than one per aisle.
12:04 mod6 Ah, ok. neato.
12:06 BingoBoingo Each hot aisle has at least one on each side pulling in hot air for cooling. . ' . ' . Is an approximation of the arrangement
12:13 BingoBoingo Actually this perhaps models it better http://archive.42u.com/cooling/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv.htm
12:14 * mod6 looks
12:15 mod6 ok gotcha
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13:07 TomServo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782364 << prolly more than half are not, but the overclocked ones typically are
13:07 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 09:20 mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.
13:09 TomServo BingoBoingo: You might consider pointing your switch toward the back of the rack for better cable management. Gain 1U if you can double up with your qntra server. (but I would put it at the top)
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13:43 BingoBoingo TomServo: That makes a lot of sense. Qntra is not very deep, physically.
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14:00 BingoBoingo If I do it this week before more boxes arrive it is 4 screws and maybe 10 minutes of downtime.
14:08 BingoBoingo * 8 screws
14:18 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
14:18 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8200.0, vol: 43861.21981026 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8144.0, vol: 115285.83569904 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8199.0, vol: 18076.9948479 | Volume-weighted last average: 8163.46949649
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16:12 mircea_popescu so i broke off my legs again, had to be carried off teh beach. MAN I FUCKING LOVE THE OCEAN!
16:13 mircea_popescu but in other "mp's bed, bath & lifestyle", teh hos got this dr teal's epsom salt body scrub" somewhere. best thing to rub on your legs when you've driven them to literally collapse from sheer exhaustion.
16:16 shinohai Heh I have a box of the lavender kind in my medicine chest. Good stuff.
16:16 mircea_popescu word.
16:19 asciilifeform broke legs?!
16:20 mircea_popescu well, broken as in no longer working, not as in fragmented bones.
16:20 mod6 omgwat
16:21 asciilifeform aa
16:21 mod6 just played too long in the water?
16:23 doppler started turning into fish
16:23 doppler fish don't have legs
16:24 mircea_popescu word, i'm evolving.
16:24 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah.
16:25 mircea_popescu the waves here are fucking superb.
16:26 shinohai lol Mermaidcea Popescu
16:26 ben_vulpes oh man, i would really like to learn to surf
16:26 mod6 surfing is the best
16:28 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes there was this bunch of hotties surfing on their own btw...
16:28 mircea_popescu it's great to watch young woman butt on board paddling, you know ?
16:29 * ben_vulpes knows, but only from videos
16:29 mircea_popescu anyway. great times.
16:35 * mod6 envy
16:45 mircea_popescu hey, come over. i'll show you where it is. odds of girlybutt > 100%.
16:50 lobbes Ah, warm ocean is best ocean. I could never enjoy the cool northern ocean I grew up next to, even in the summer. My extreme lack of fat insulation always led to my body becoming a flesh anchor. "Just relax, you'll float" "huh? Relax how?"
16:51 lobbes I remember setting foot in a tropical ocean for first time and thinking "ahhh this is what all the fuss is about"
16:51 mircea_popescu lobbes it's like 22 celsius. pleasure to step into. literally.
16:51 * diana_coman remembers northerners going: "soup, this is LIKE SOUP"
16:52 mircea_popescu it was warmer than my balls.
16:53 lobbes Ah see thats the key. Ball temp differental is usually my main problem with cool waters.
16:53 mircea_popescu correction : i see it was actually TWENTY EIGHT
16:53 diana_coman ahahah, SOUP!
16:54 mircea_popescu word.
16:54 mod6 heheh. sounds awesome.
16:55 mircea_popescu oh and there's like, a buncha sandcrabs
16:55 mircea_popescu i threw one a crumb of sandwich, he spent like 5 minutes trying to stuff it into his hidey-hole
16:55 mircea_popescu DELISHIOUSSSSS CRUMBBBB
16:55 mod6 haha.
16:55 mircea_popescu oh, and did i mention the macaws ? and the pelicans ?
16:56 mod6 birds on bird errands eh
16:56 mircea_popescu there's a macaw tree ; and hundreds of pelicans fish in the wake.
16:57 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> oh man, i would really like to learn to surf << i'll never forget the first time i caught a wave. something very zen about the whole experience.
16:58 mod6 it isn't easy to time it right, but once you get it, wow.
16:58 mircea_popescu there was a guy that was pretty good, Z-d counter-wake with great agility.
16:58 mircea_popescu but most people just you know, ride it a few meters and faceplant.
16:59 mircea_popescu that's another great thing to watch, girlibutt going from paddle to standing. she's got one second to lift lift lift!
16:59 mod6 sure, yeah, takes practice. i seemed to pick it up pretty ok, found that it's not /that/ different from turns on a snowboard.
16:59 * mircea_popescu is mostly a surfpectator.
16:59 mod6 yeah, the girls are pretty fun to watch
17:00 mircea_popescu better than skating imo.
17:00 mircea_popescu well... wetter than skating at any rate.
17:00 mod6 heheh. i used to love watching the figure skaters
17:01 BingoBoingo Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers.
17:01 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: was watching from beyond the break?
17:02 mircea_popescu well, it varied. i go where the ocean sends me, you know ?
17:02 mod6 yeah, gotta watch out for the riptides too
17:02 ben_vulpes no notrly, /me suffers from lobbes-style sinkism
17:02 ben_vulpes every second in the water is a fight to stay at the surface
17:02 mircea_popescu mod6 they actually have riptides here, moderately bad. also stingrays, and sharks, AND CROCODILES.
17:02 mircea_popescu but whatcah gonna do, not ever die ?
17:04 asciilifeform there's something to be said for being eaten at sea. but i'd still rather try for the big cats, where available
17:04 mod6 mircea_popescu: yah, gotta live a little every now and then.
17:04 mircea_popescu surfers lose the occasional leg. rarely actually eaten, ocean typically only wants a taste.
17:05 trinque riptide got me as a kid, actually felt like kind of a little badass when I came out of it
17:05 mircea_popescu but i lost my 2nd pair of slippers, through the procedure of sit down in car, forget to pick them up. i guess im buying a half dozen next.
17:05 mircea_popescu trinque it is. from what i hear can drag you 5 miles.
17:05 trinque nb
17:06 mircea_popescu now, the floor is very smooth and the incline very forgiving, so you wouldn't be much deeper than maybe 5-10 meters even then.
17:06 mircea_popescu but man, and kid also, can drown just fine in 5 meters of water.
17:06 mircea_popescu i certainly could manage it.
17:07 asciilifeform man, if he earnestly tries, can drown in bucket also
17:07 mircea_popescu in bucket i can float.
17:11 mod6 <+BingoBoingo> Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers. << everytime I think of windsurfing, i think of horseface nearly getting hit by that giant boat.
17:11 mod6 makes me laugh
17:14 mircea_popescu they have a sort of sea paragliding here, i have half a mind to try it sometime
17:14 mircea_popescu looks pretty cool.
17:14 mircea_popescu basically a large kite of sorts, with you attached.
17:18 mod6 ah, yeah. that can get a little dicy if you're 50+ feet up and the wind dies.
17:19 mod6 i guess lot of these are pulled by boat tho.
17:22 asciilifeform these are very popular in the beach i go to
17:22 asciilifeform often dozens of people riding'em
17:26 shinohai http://archive.is/zEfQN <<< heh I didn't know this, to XRP genesis means "Block 32570"
17:26 mircea_popescu so you go splat, big whoop. tho yeah, i kinda see boats with it always.
17:29 mod6 shinohai: bwahaha. man, another usg scam that refuses to die
17:29 shinohai But the raw tx's are totally there, so no worries!
17:32 mod6 mircea_popescu: there many rocks/coral in that area?
17:32 mircea_popescu i've not seen any, except two small fragments on the beach. white sorta carbide rock, notrly coral like people think of, the rosy australian stuff
17:33 mod6 ah. sounds pretty decent. that coral is nasty if you fall / get a laceration from it
17:34 mod6 (speaking of things that refuse to die)
17:40 mircea_popescu hey, "impaled on coral". better than "impaled on acura"
17:44 mod6 agree.
17:48 mircea_popescu in other not rteally news, "moonrise kingdom" is not even atrociously bad. pubescent lovestory, not quite white cat/black cat but still.
18:02 asciilifeform !~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/59x0S/?raw=true << possible qntraism
18:02 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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19:01 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/02/shortages-of-surface-mount-components-mount/ << Qntra - Shortages Of Surface Mount Components Mount
19:01 BingoBoingo ty asciilifeform
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19:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782404 << very much so ; is it off hanbot's (yet not really published ?) genesis or what ?
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19:59 a111 Logged on 2018-02-07 13:43 ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
20:00 danielpbarron !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GtFxZ/?raw=true
20:00 jhvh1 danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
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20:40 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FYqZ0/?raw=true
20:40 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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21:19 phf it's like the bowery boys in here. code words and secret passages.
21:25 shinohai Can't run a terrorist organization without seekrit communications!
21:26 mod6 GBB ZNAL FRPERGF
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22:12 mircea_popescu PROQQt
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23:08 mod6 eua maey jutz kbkt atjkxyzgtj ngox znkuxe
23:17 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782059 << sorry for the delayed response but i'm available for this if it's still needed
23:17 a111 Logged on 2018-02-06 13:27 mircea_popescu: so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else.
23:17 mircea_popescu cool. yeah tomorrow split the pot up.
23:18 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782127 << been catching fragments. anything i can help with as far as ordering ?
23:18 a111 Logged on 2018-02-06 16:08 BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski Have you been following the BBisp developments?
23:18 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i think i saw that lobbes was getting in on the action, any other to divide the pie between ?
23:19 mircea_popescu well, not publicly announced so far.
23:19 pete_dushenski kk
23:19 mircea_popescu why, you want to swallow the whole pile ?
23:20 pete_dushenski is it still ~15k usd ?
23:20 mircea_popescu about yeaj
23:22 pete_dushenski and the arrangement is to order bbisp supplies, and take delivery and repackage or have them shipped directly to uruguay from amazegg ? (sorry for missing this detail in logs)
23:23 mircea_popescu send them to phf, he'll courier
23:25 pete_dushenski got it. let me check what the lousy cad is worth and confirm pie proportion but at least half should be no prob.
23:25 danielpbarron i can do some as well
23:25 mircea_popescu aite. stay tuned tomorro
23:34 pete_dushenski in other educative rapes, http://archive.is/zSi35
23:34 pete_dushenski "Spelling employs a skill many of the women honed while captive: mnemonic memory. Some spent much of their time memorizing lengthy prayers and hymns. Others composed diary entries in their heads—their thoughts, injustices they suffered—they would later log in journals they kept hidden."
23:34 pete_dushenski "“I find it easy to memorize,” said Saratu Ayuba, who won a gold medal in a recent contest by successfully spelling entertainment. “I know the small words. I can build them out in my head.”"
23:34 mircea_popescu oh check it out, lamarckianism still around.
23:34 pete_dushenski in re #bringbackourgirls and related benefits of bokoharamisms
23:37 mircea_popescu contrary to pantsuit fanfic, memory is unrelated to whining.
23:37 mircea_popescu nor is there some kind of historical or cultural component to it, as teh little clitlers appear to imply.
23:38 trinque top-left one looks like a dude. I thought that was haram
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