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04:02 jurov iirc in murica the lines have like 1-2kV and everyone has own transformer?
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07:39 Framedragger new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
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07:39 Framedragger also not sure how easy it'd be to do the "have JS run, then save the resulting no-JS snapshot" thing (for having properly rendered copies without JS in them.)
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08:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ?
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08:45 a111 Logged on 2017-05-05 11:39 Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
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10:40 trinque Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit
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10:40 trinque why did you skip over wget -R ?
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10:45 mod6 mornin'
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11:11 mircea_popescu no js ?
11:12 BingoBoingo In other idiotgeneering, Neighbors on the other side of the Mississippi are bitching and moaning about "OMG, towns [a,b,c] have had second 500 year flood in 18 months!!!" meanwhile only marginalized commentators are raising the issue of "Why did we let the Chesterfield valley get levees and suburbs?" Apparently people raising the issue that building levees for new construction turns meandring floods into energetic and giant log flume rid
11:12 BingoBoingo es are the ones who don't know how the world works...
11:14 trinque mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
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11:14 mircea_popescu hey, us public discourse is == marketing talk, and there's no marketing benefit in pointing out "real estate" is neither real nor valuavble.
11:14 trinque * wget -r
11:14 mircea_popescu trinque yes but not process and render it, is the thinking
11:14 trinque ah if one wants some kind of preview before loading the archived site, yes, can't get that
11:15 mircea_popescu i thought one only wants the previews.
11:17 mircea_popescu why would anyone save the ajax pile of bullshit. "modern" web dev has no place in the present let alone to be preserved for the future.
11:18 trinque certainly not.
11:18 trinque so archive.is waits for the DOM to render, then what, serializes that back to HTML?
11:18 mircea_popescu it appears so
11:18 trinque got it; was trying to understand why have a browser involved in the archiving
11:18 trinque I don't run JS in either case
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11:19 mircea_popescu to get rid of usg idiot party
11:19 mircea_popescu heck, if everyone forgot how to "web 2.0" tomorrow, this'd be a greater gain for human culture than the discovery of fucking penicillin.
11:20 trinque sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
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11:20 trinque will want to consider that as he puts things where
11:33 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-1-sorry/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 1 - Sorry.
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11:57 BingoBoingo Oh my, Pam's going to find some dick with initiative!
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13:12 trinque Framedragger: https://github.com/o2platform/chrome-repl << ever see this? might be a way to snag teh html tag's outerHTML
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13:26 trinque ah you know what, that wasn't even the thing
13:27 * trinque trying to recall whatever he used to jack chrome into emacs
13:29 trinque https://chromedevtools.github.io/devtools-protocol/ << was some elisp that ate from this
13:33 asciilifeform achtung, panzers! anyone who noticed that his trb wire to dulap dropped last night -- the thing was rebooted (without my permission) ~13 hours ago.
13:40 shinohai wb asciilifeform
13:40 asciilifeform ty shinohai
13:43 ben_vulpes oh interesting, asciilifeform
13:43 ben_vulpes that wouldn't lead to a node pegging 100% cpu, would it?
13:44 BingoBoingo In other news, Canada is trying to start a Dairy trade war with US\
13:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not afaik
13:46 ben_vulpes didn't think so.
13:46 ben_vulpes A MYSTERY
13:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652115 << trinque -- not only does this mean that you (reader) are stuck with executing js - but also that it can DYNAMICALLY load turdolade from the original www (which may or may not still be there, or be the same as before)
13:53 a111 Logged on 2017-05-05 15:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
13:53 asciilifeform so wget and any similar mechanism, is quite worthless for archiving hostile www.
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14:18 trinque nonsense.
14:19 trinque and removing those tags > running the thing through a giant wad of browser
14:19 trinque if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
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14:20 trinque supposing someone does want to read, sure, doing this is the only means
14:20 ben_vulpes how is one to hoist the morons upon their own words if they're only legible with js?
14:21 trinque man I don't want to read every livejournal before condemning
14:21 trinque the nuremberg that lasted eternity
14:23 ben_vulpes and when nate silver tires of the archiving of his bad predictions?
14:23 trinque !#s enumerating badness
14:23 a111 11 results for "enumerating badness", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=enumerating%20badness
14:24 ben_vulpes we possibly speak past each other.
14:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << ~whole point is to archive völkischer beobachter et al. the folx who work day and night to make it difficult.
14:26 a111 Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
14:26 asciilifeform otherwise 'unhappening' is far too easy.
14:28 trinque I guess I remain unconvinced that I ever gained anything paying attention to them
14:28 trinque but am not prepared to argue that's the general case
14:29 asciilifeform not as such
14:29 asciilifeform but to pay attention to the specific pattern of what is lied about -- gained, yes.
14:29 asciilifeform this is quite difficult without archiving.
14:36 trinque I see a bias of my own here, towards tuning out noise.
14:37 trinque the archiving of them is indeed relevant to the historian
14:37 trinque for archiving the few sane folks in same time period, no js required
14:39 asciilifeform !~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/upCny/?raw=true << makefile. this will work everywhere but crapple, where static linking is entirely dead. ( will work there also if you discard the relevant flags. )
14:39 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:40 asciilifeform subdir 'bin' must exist.
14:40 asciilifeform this also gives you automagic flymake support in emacs
14:41 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tBbGD/?raw=true << well, not quite automatic, you need this in your .emacs .
14:42 asciilifeform ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^
14:42 ben_vulpes from the void: https://perma.cc/
14:42 asciilifeform lol another heathen deedbot.
14:43 asciilifeform 'supporting partners' 'cloudflare' 'harvard'
14:43 asciilifeform and of course archive.org ( why does usg need TWO of these ? )
14:43 trinque diversity strengthens us (and fattens the budget)
14:43 asciilifeform mod6: lemme know if you have questions re the makefile. you will notice that there are multiple knobs.
14:46 mod6 ok will look in just a sec here.
14:47 mod6 thanks asciilifeform
14:47 asciilifeform that ain't all :
14:47 asciilifeform there is another util, called gprbuild
14:47 asciilifeform it comes with adacore's gnat, but with the vanilla gnu one, you gotta build it by hand
14:47 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H2ASf/?raw=true << example of how to use it.
14:48 asciilifeform it displaces gnumake entirely
14:48 asciilifeform in favour of a more intelligent, ada-specific thing
14:48 asciilifeform see official docs for what all of the knobs do, my paste only shows the very basic ones.
14:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform oh, so that's what it was.
14:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rhezw/?raw=true << very helpful professional isp, i'm like... "oh, MY SERVER. that's unambiguous enough."
14:57 ben_vulpes psh why would anyone ever need more than one server
14:57 ben_vulpes just containerize everything you do
14:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << people making fun of morons, for instance.
14:57 a111 Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
14:58 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i ordered a kubinetes book but got instead an ikea box.
14:59 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: are you thick? it comes with instructions
15:00 ben_vulpes just bolt the jet to the submarine
15:00 mircea_popescu yes but it put together a maschinengewehr 42 when i followed wthem
15:01 ben_vulpes oh that's odd
15:01 ben_vulpes are you sure you're reading the romanian instructions and not the argentine ones?
15:01 ben_vulpes also have you tried rebooting your cardboard
15:01 mircea_popescu it's all in broken pigdin anyway
15:02 ben_vulpes oh there's your problem, the broken pigeons hold it all together
15:03 mircea_popescu i see ty for help a+++ would quora again.
15:03 ben_vulpes plz rate if this answered your problem
15:03 mircea_popescu !!rate ben_vulpes
15:03 ben_vulpes mark as resolved
15:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems odd, the phrasing, 'a network segment associated with your server', as if only the lan had gone down
15:07 asciilifeform ( whereas in fact entire box did )
15:07 mircea_popescu i don't expect by now there's any relation whatsoever between the mouth-like organ and the arm-like organ of the vaguely organised amoeba colony.
15:07 asciilifeform i thought this was a vaguely-sane d00d, not amoeba...
15:07 mircea_popescu i broadly inferred that "something happened".
15:07 mircea_popescu !#s cherry servers
15:07 a111 1 result for "cherry servers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cherry%20servers
15:08 mircea_popescu odd, figured prominently in the previous "we need isp" installment.
15:09 trinque could've been power outage and network segment refers to area of DC
15:12 mircea_popescu on the strenght of the text as it is could just as well been guywith molotov for the same money.
15:12 asciilifeform aha, anything from tripped cable to asteroid
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15:48 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^ << aha. thx.
15:48 mod6 fwiw, i don't emacs or whatever it is.
15:49 mod6 but, let's not worry about that for now, i got a working env on my side.
~ 20 minutes ~
16:09 * shinohai doesn't emacs either so all of last thread was lost on him.
16:11 asciilifeform shinohai: makefile for static binary.
16:12 asciilifeform ( everything else -- extras )
16:16 asciilifeform https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/exile-rather-than-servitude-the-english-leave-for-constantinople << in unrelated olds. lulzy www , generally. reminds that not all liberasts are illiterate, even today.
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16:49 mircea_popescu "people matter more than power" eh ?
16:49 mircea_popescu what fucking people.
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17:47 mod6 Hi all: Ok 3rd run of entropy collection & `ent` & `dieharder` tests are done on FG #3: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run3.txt
17:48 mod6 On to FG #4...
17:48 mod6 asciilifeform: hey!! Thanks for the makefile :]
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18:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fella's a bit fixated on normal conquest, berber slavers, conscripted sailors. might even be a candidate for one of your cuckold stories.
18:06 asciilifeform *norman conquest, lol
18:06 asciilifeform pretty well read , overall, which is rare for the type
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18:54 mircea_popescu he;'s basically interested into losers BECAUSE losers.
18:56 mircea_popescu meanwhile in chicago, http://68.media.tumblr.com/754d603234af5c2572e04173e28223a4/tumblr_ntdlsjAmgA1utyzkko1_500.gif
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19:34 asciilifeform paging BingoBoingo !11
19:38 BingoBoingo The obeast's toes are out of frame for a reason http://www.podiatrytoday.com/files/pt12tma1_1.png
19:39 BingoBoingo And apparently US DOJ refuses to yeild to Trumpreich orders re:"What's a body of water?"
19:47 asciilifeform 'This is what nobles do. The Duke of This or the Baron of That, the King of France or the Holy Roman Emperor, they called themselves warriors but actually they were just armed and heavily armoured thugs. If they weren’t leading their men up the hill to their death, they were leading them in the slaughter of the enemy. Sometimes in these battles the nobles died too. But in the middle-ages, in the so-called Age of Chivalry, while the
19:47 asciilifeform y expected the common soldiers, their ‘men’, to be slaughtered without mercy, they expected that if they themselves were facing defeat they would be able to ‘yield’, to be taken prisoner, to be treated honourably while awaiting the collection of a huge ransom paid for their release. The ransom money of course had to be ground out of their ever-suffering tenants and serfs back at home.' << lulzy
19:47 asciilifeform ( https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/the-grand-old-duke-of-york-he-slaughtered-ten-thousand-men-2 )
19:52 asciilifeform more typical yet, https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/dont-sit-like-melvyn-bragg >> 'I for one have the utmost respect for Churchill as a war leader, but what about Churchill as an aristocrat? What about his wealthy and privileged background? Where did the wealth to build Blenheim Palace come from? What had his ancestor John Churchill, The Duke of Marlborough, done to deserve it? Who were his victims?'
19:53 asciilifeform i actually find orwell quite considerably less outrageous than linked d00d. in the time of o it was at least possible to imagine the commoners whom, if, e.g., churchill, had not eaten, might have 'done great things'. but today ?
19:54 asciilifeform when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ?
19:57 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ? << Or local news bitching about how they plan to rebuilt their thrice washed out property, because apparently the watershed that took everything from you thrice did not bring enough pain to negate "good memories at the old house(s)"
19:57 BingoBoingo Flood insurance reform now
19:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why not houses on stilts, as in vietnam ??
19:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Those exist in saner river proximity construction
19:58 BingoBoingo Instead the vermin bitch and moan that the nest they keep building in the culvert keeps washing away
19:59 BingoBoingo We're going to need bigger conibears
20:01 BingoBoingo This is exactly vermin behavior of the same sort asciilifeform observed when he saw squirrels hapily munching nuts while resting on dead squirrels
20:01 * BingoBoingo thinks that was alf's story
20:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it was in a linked video from hunters
20:02 BingoBoingo ah
20:05 asciilifeform https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/murder-fines-and-proving-englishry << iraq of the 1000s !
20:08 asciilifeform 'the murdrum fine did not extend to any Englishman who was murdered. The law was explicitly introduced to help deter the English from murdering their Norman French conquerors and to punish the English community when they did so. If a Norman lord could prove that the person murdered was English he would avoid paying the fine. This became known as the ‘Presentment of Englishry’ and was not abolished until the late fourteenth centur
20:08 asciilifeform y.'
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20:50 mod6 just made this amazing venison & porkbutt burger w blue cheese.
20:51 mod6 it's hard to do venison right, but when it's good, it's really good.
20:53 mircea_popescu what duke of this called himself "a warrior" and what the holy fuck, i thought this guy was supposed to be literate ? wtf happened at, say, agincourt ?
20:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reddit commoner existed in the time of orwell just as well.
20:57 mircea_popescu mod6 i had cashew paste (little butter, hint of balsamic, fenilgreek and tarragon) salmon. with a very fine bottle of chianti. just waking up from the food coma.
20:57 mod6 wow. that sounds awesome too.
20:58 mircea_popescu yes, but who were our victims ? we call ourselves web developers (we do ?) but what about all the wealth and priviledge ?!?!?!
20:58 mircea_popescu shmucky mcschmuckson has the utmost respect for us as novel writers, note.
21:03 asciilifeform lol
21:04 mircea_popescu marlborough palace, he fucking found it.
21:05 mircea_popescu guy brought back the whole of the spanish colonial empire, england indian-gifted him a shitty palace.
21:05 mircea_popescu possibly the best piece re englishittery, that story. the normans were fucking right and truly should have exterminated that most miserable race.
21:06 mircea_popescu well, latin idea originally, but anyway. latins couldn't bring themselves to care. i can readily see why.
21:08 mircea_popescu anyway. three fucking kings did john, duke of marlborough make. just like warwick centuries prior.
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21:27 shinohai http://archive.is/NK7PT <<< Clitler Deja-Vu
21:28 mircea_popescu lmao
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22:52 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-2-as-chance-had-it/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 2 - As chance had it.
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23:53 * danielpbarron made fettuccine and cheese sauce with broccoli and chicken
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