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02:23 mod6 <+trinque> asciilifeform: it will. << this thing is awesome btw!
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05:47 mats https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/us-navys-most-expensive-destroyer-breaks-down-in-panama-canal
05:48 shinohai Been a bad year for the US Navy
05:56 mats can't wait to see what 2017 has in store for DoD
06:00 shinohai A Trumpreich DoD should provide a steady stream of entertaining lulz no doubt.
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07:27 mircea_popescu trinque the whores are ok. the "elites"... not so much.
07:28 mircea_popescu mats you have no fucking idea what the costs of this happening are.
07:28 mircea_popescu basically they just take your ship.
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08:08 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572407 <<< no
08:08 a111 Logged on 2016-11-22 21:37 asciilifeform: !~later tell davout is your www down ?
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09:29 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/us-celebration-of-consumerism-begins/ << Qntra - US Celebration Of Consumerism Begins
09:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << eh it isn't as if panama were a sovereign country. usg takes what it wants there, incl. presidents
09:36 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
09:36 asciilifeform (noriega is still rotting in american jail)
09:37 asciilifeform sorta why chinese canal is supposedly in the works (iirc -- in nicaragua, under protection of cn navy)
09:38 asciilifeform https://archive.is/VZIw6 << from same fishwrap
09:39 asciilifeform 'People in the myriad “alt-right” communities that have flourished online in recent years are also expressing their displeasure that Trump appears to have abandoned the most extreme of his policies – at least for now – such as building a wall and prosecuting Hillary Clinton.'
09:39 asciilifeform !#s zhirinovsky
09:39 a111 18 results for "zhirinovsky", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zhirinovsky
09:40 shinohai Why build wall when Mexicans will just continue to play dig-dug.
09:41 asciilifeform shinohai: 'wall' was a catch-all name for the (economically impossible) notion of bringing back 1952
09:42 asciilifeform where white folk work in factories, on farms, etc.
09:43 asciilifeform ditto the 'bring J0BZZZ!!!! back from china' thing
09:43 asciilifeform (how many american folx are ready to pay $500,000 for a 'ford' ?)
09:44 mircea_popescu ohohoh 1k pss from ord
09:44 asciilifeform that's approx. (~very~ conservative estimate!) what it would cost if it were made with 0 chinese input.
09:44 mircea_popescu whoops lol
09:45 asciilifeform lel i was about to ask, what's a pss and where is ord
09:47 mircea_popescu !~calc 1050 * 262 * 2.2
09:47 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1050 * 262 * 2.2 = 605220
09:47 mircea_popescu ^ almost a bitcent. really a bitcent if premiums are included.
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10:14 asciilifeform in other ( https://archive.is/WOLLO ) lulz, 'When you take a look at the implementation of /dev/random in [freebsd] 11.0 you will notice that with the support of the new random algorithms (fortuna has replaced yarrow), there is also support to feed the entropy with a write call to /dev/random. The 10.x releases do not support this write call. The man page previously said for 10.3 that writes will be silently ignored and in the 11.0 m
10:14 asciilifeform an page this passage has been removed.'
10:14 asciilifeform SILENTLY IGNORED, gold
10:15 asciilifeform ( and in case anyone forgot, the above is to be seen in light of https://hardenedbsd.org/article/shawn-webb/2015-02-18/freebsd-random-number-generator-vulnerability )
10:16 mircea_popescu heh
10:16 asciilifeform btw if anyone is looking for something to do, getting hold of a copy of diddled freebsd and generating several hundred thousand ssh and pgp keys, would be spiffy
10:16 * asciilifeform has been planning to do this for most of a year now, but has not enough hands
10:19 BingoBoingo In still other news St Louis now has Syrian refugees leaving St Louis as refugees. Double Refugee
10:19 mircea_popescu lmao
10:19 mircea_popescu once a refugee...
10:20 BingoBoingo The ones settled in South St Louis very happy with South St Louis, but the ones settled in NORTH St Louis...
10:20 BingoBoingo Well settled isn't right word
10:21 Framedragger asciilifeform: looks like some folks may have generated ssl certs this way, too...
10:21 Framedragger would be nice to run a netcraft-like service which observes all searchable internet's certificates..
10:21 Framedragger /me dreams
10:24 mircea_popescu not even that expensive.
10:25 BingoBoingo ALso Nikki Haley condemned to UN Ambassador position, sound like career ender for the Governor.
10:25 BingoBoingo brb
10:29 trinque Framedragger: it'd be a step towards a republican search engine too
10:30 mircea_popescu eep.
10:31 trinque something like pagerank with the logs being heavily favored over all other content would be quite useful
10:32 trinque decent way to pick gems from the mountain of shit
10:35 Framedragger i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too..
10:36 mircea_popescu aha
10:36 mircea_popescu google is ~worthless as it is, certainly there's a hole here.
10:39 trinque given a concept of the top, you can do things like "archive all content within L2 of logs"
10:39 trinque unfairness makes the world so manageable
10:46 Framedragger trinque: L2 here means two edges away from logs?
10:49 trinque correct
10:51 mircea_popescu in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs mkj.lt/log trilema.com etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE
10:51 mircea_popescu and obviously signed:mp&signed:alf ; or signed:mp||signed:alf etc
10:52 mircea_popescu just make a special field "readworthy" in your dns.
10:53 Framedragger mircea_popescu: like, the name is signed, or specific piece of content is signed? i assume the former?
10:53 mircea_popescu nah works just like !!rate. currently someone pops in, people !!up him, if he's not obnoxious gets a courtesy rating or two.
10:53 mircea_popescu same thing : people pop a link in, if the site's any good it gets a !!readworthy
10:53 mircea_popescu or two
10:54 Framedragger ah right.
10:55 mircea_popescu give trinque 's idea a bit of a kick, basically. just because something was mentioned here doesn't automatically mean it's worth reading ; though it IS a sign it exists.
10:55 Framedragger the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner; or, there's a separate service / storage thing.
10:55 mircea_popescu so that way you can more finely weigh the sites.
10:56 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-14#1273498 << and it would satisfy this perfectly.
10:56 a111 Logged on 2015-09-14 02:02 trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
10:56 mircea_popescu quite so
10:56 mircea_popescu Framedragger on contemplation it'd be a "goodreads" root rather than the domain in question.
10:56 mircea_popescu gns is not dns ; it will hold any symbols you realise.
10:57 Framedragger sure
10:57 Framedragger so it'd just be another name
10:57 mircea_popescu so then deedbot could own goodreads and delegate mircea_popescu.goodreads to me.
10:58 Framedragger (btw, current dns does not allow for arbitrary fields the way you think it does; it does have a TXT type of record, but that's not the same; types of records are baked-in in the sense that they have magical IDs to be specified at dns payload header. obvs this cannot stand!)
10:58 mircea_popescu i don't think it does. i just say it should.
10:59 Framedragger yeah, i mean, sounds good.
10:59 mircea_popescu whole piece of shit is a repugnant midden of magic crap
10:59 mircea_popescu that's the thing with magic values : they are secreted by and attract like pheromones the imperial mind.
11:00 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i'm still not sure about the delegation thing. if A owns goodreads, B should in principle be able to register fuck.goodreads , right? but then allowing for a possibility of delegation would be nice. or, it'd just be a matter of convention *within deedbot's context*.
11:00 mircea_popescu you know what'd happen if women had no legs ? all sidewalks would be covered in slime lines. but do you know what happened once plebs were taught to read ? all fucking code is covered in slime lines.
11:00 asciilifeform ^
11:00 Framedragger heh.
11:01 mircea_popescu Framedragger right, same difference.
11:01 Framedragger right, convention.
11:02 mircea_popescu technically i suppose the correct way for this to work would be for me to own 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 which i do own because hey.
11:03 mircea_popescu then have name record on that = mircea popescu and freenode-nick record = mircea_popescu and blog = trilema.com and goodreads = whatever
11:03 mircea_popescu and so on.
11:03 asciilifeform naggum had some imho interesting detail re 'magic numbers', and how they are not born from empty space, but are gangrenously oozed eternally by pathologically misdesigned systems where operator is FORCED to lie about foreknowledge of field sizes, types, etc.
11:03 mircea_popescu now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works
11:03 mircea_popescu plus we want something to work wth cs too
11:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and he was right.
11:04 mircea_popescu note how neatly this clasps into the "causes, not purposes" thing, also.
11:04 mircea_popescu it's like being indiana jones, all the meaningless fragments snap together eventually.
11:05 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i suppose the system could just allow one to own multiple fingerprints, according to different schemes, with some constraints on length ('minimum length' at least)?
11:05 mircea_popescu yes, i see no problem with that.
11:06 mircea_popescu make it take fingerprints as they are for now, and can be extended later.
11:06 Framedragger i guess i could invent a hash function which always outputs some short meaningful names like "CocksCocksBallsCocks" and then claim i have a right to them because that's my fingerprint, but it all boils down to WoT and "don't be ridiculous".
11:07 asciilifeform 'as they are now' is catastrophically braindamaged
11:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well.
11:07 mircea_popescu Framedragger i don't follow ?
11:07 mircea_popescu think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
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11:07 mircea_popescu same principle.
11:08 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i'm saying that there's a possible runaway effect where a party could claim to own many a fingerprint, because "their key fingerprinting function is like that", to the point where semantically useful names could be owned by them. but that's just ridiculous..
11:08 Framedragger aha sure
11:08 Framedragger so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes.
11:08 mircea_popescu pretty much.
11:08 mircea_popescu !!register CocksCocksBallsCocks
11:08 deedbot mircea_popescu is already registered.
11:09 mircea_popescu :p
11:09 trinque ahahaha
11:09 Framedragger sounds pretty neat!
11:09 trinque oh wait
11:09 mircea_popescu lol
11:09 Framedragger "something terrible has happened"
11:09 mircea_popescu this ranks way up there in the top 10 machine humour incidents
11:09 Framedragger *mircea_popescu now permanently known as CocksCocksBallsCocks*
11:09 mircea_popescu !~echo the shrieker shrieks
11:09 jhvh1 the shrieker shrieks
11:09 asciilifeform btw 'fingerprint' is a enough of a catastrophic retardation that it deserves own thread
11:10 mircea_popescu yeah it'll have to be fixed.
11:10 Framedragger asciilifeform: hence why you invented your own fp scheme for phuctor, right..
11:10 mircea_popescu i dun think anyone seriously proposes it can work.
11:10 asciilifeform Framedragger: phuctor's scheme is sufficient for distinguishing pgp keys with same moduli but variant metafields from one another, and for no other purpose.
11:10 Framedragger right.
11:11 mircea_popescu this problem is harder than you realise, because eg, you don't know what publishing hash(privkey) leaks.
11:11 asciilifeform it is quite inappropriate for battlefield pubkeys.
11:11 asciilifeform why the fuck would you ever hash a privkey
11:11 mircea_popescu because thatg's the only way you're guaranteed to not have the current gpg problem
11:11 mircea_popescu where "something changes" but same hash
11:12 asciilifeform if you must hash something, you hash pubkey
11:12 mircea_popescu gah.
11:12 asciilifeform (rsa pubkeys are one-to-one with privkeys)
11:12 mircea_popescu with a few irrelevant exceptions.
11:12 asciilifeform degenerates
11:13 mircea_popescu i'm not making the argument you should. i'm just pointing out that it is the only way to be 100%.
11:13 asciilifeform but here's my cut of the knot: HASH LOCALLY
11:13 mircea_popescu now, trade-offs that are reasonable can be made etc.
11:13 mircea_popescu well of course locally ? or what do you mean ?
11:13 Framedragger did someone say DEGENERATES? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4
11:13 asciilifeform pubkey hashes are 'for in the harem' and not 'for in the forum'.
11:13 mircea_popescu no i wasn't about to send pubkeys to freeonlinehashes.foryou
11:14 asciilifeform i will carefully work out example:
11:14 asciilifeform tmsrttp://6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/trilema/foo.html is imho wrong.
11:14 asciilifeform 'key fingerprint' is a broken concept.
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11:14 mircea_popescu gns:// plox
11:14 asciilifeform it cannot be fixed.
11:15 mircea_popescu and it'd be gns://trilema.com/
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11:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no argument re it being broken. point is - it exists, and can't be trivially fucked for now, so until replacement is made, can be used.
11:16 mircea_popescu in point of fact - it IS used.
11:16 mircea_popescu all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace.
11:16 asciilifeform i say to replace it meaningfully, you gotta let go of the fundamental braindamage at the root of it.
11:16 asciilifeform nope. of PUBKEY
11:16 asciilifeform not a proctustization of same.
11:16 asciilifeform *procrust
11:16 asciilifeform do business with PUBKEYS, not FPs.
11:16 mircea_popescu !!rate asciilifeform 1 i tell you it's by fp
11:16 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/mvv35/?raw=true
11:17 asciilifeform remains -- lame.
11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp.
11:17 asciilifeform and earlier by fleanode nick. because it imported the broken concepts of the empire.
11:17 mircea_popescu found the "pubkey" entry, encrypted to it.
11:17 asciilifeform one of them being - the fp.
11:17 asciilifeform it is promisetronic.
11:18 mircea_popescu yes well, to clean a room you gotta at some point stand on dirty floor.
11:18 asciilifeform global indices of 'memorable' names, or 'safely' shortened rsa pubkeys, are promisetronic.
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11:18 mircea_popescu trinque would you be capable to migrate to indexing by pubkey numeric value ?
11:18 asciilifeform the only ~protocolic~ answer is to do business with pubkeys. now you ~can~ shorten them 'in the harem'
11:19 mircea_popescu he does have a point, and i think also the code to allow you to extract it from a pubkey if need be
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu can still key in 'trilema' in his browser. but his nic will spit out entire pubkey.
11:19 trinque mircea_popescu: if this is something I can jam into gpg at each call
11:19 mircea_popescu trinque it'd just be the index, you can keep precomputed field with anything you'd like right next to it.
11:19 trinque or otherwise it calls for homebrew RSA+padding
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'pgpdump' will extract handily.
11:19 asciilifeform from ordinary rfc2440/4880 key.
11:19 asciilifeform ditto phuctor.
11:20 trinque and sure, could easily do this. I was already going to move the pubkey into my db for the www-wot pages
11:20 Framedragger jesus you guys, you realise all those deedbot messages are still internally encrypted with symmetric aes ('session key') right? and you think the lowest-hanging fruit is fingerprint? ok i guess
11:20 mircea_popescu it makes the db slightly larger, but it does solve a fundamental problem.
11:20 asciilifeform btw when 'p' is out i will show folks who want to keep their old moduli, how
11:20 asciilifeform (it isn't hard)
11:20 mircea_popescu Framedragger that's definitely getting replaced.
11:21 asciilifeform Framedragger: they are, and 'p' shoots it in the head.
11:21 Framedragger sure.
11:21 * Framedragger also wonders about pure rsa performance. guess we'll see :)
11:22 asciilifeform Framedragger: most of the time folks spend 'waiting for rsa' in, e.g., gnupg, is spent waiting for the idiot /dev/random
11:22 trinque sometimes people can think of two, even three fruits at a time!
11:22 asciilifeform Framedragger: if you don't believe this, go, profile it, see.
11:22 mircea_popescu moreover not all fruits are blocking ; and some things are just good hygiene at low cost
11:23 Framedragger asciilifeform: i guess i should. yeah fair enough. btw iirc there's still no markable security difference between urandom and random?
11:23 mircea_popescu not on freebsd at any rate.
11:23 mircea_popescu or was it debian.
11:23 mircea_popescu o wait...
11:23 asciilifeform if yer /dev/random is fed by intel crapolade, then also
11:24 asciilifeform or if whitened (is there a linux kernel where it isn't..?)
11:24 asciilifeform or, or.
11:24 Framedragger aha
11:28 Framedragger https://archive.is/udCnD#selection-755.26-752.3 << just a lulzy headline
11:28 Framedragger (ah discard the selection)
11:33 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572699 << tbh doesn't sound right to me, the :// specifies a transport level protocol - so that i could do http:// or ftp:// or gopher://
11:33 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/
11:34 Framedragger (but this can be resolved one way or another i'm sure.)
11:36 mircea_popescu yeah it wasn't serious.
11:47 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com
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11:47 * asciilifeform initially assumed 'early april fool joke' but the thing shows symptoms of actually existing...
11:48 shinohai Where `ICO` = " Initial Cask Offering "
11:50 asciilifeform the concept ought to be carried to its logical conclusion -- e.g., why limit to 'high end' whisky, why not also give option to invest in rotgut 'penny stocks'
11:50 asciilifeform which no doubt will flower as usa collapse marches on
11:50 asciilifeform 'i'd like 10,000 shares of Night Train plox'
11:50 asciilifeform '5,000 of Wild Southern Rose plz'
11:51 * shinohai would buy Night Train shares
11:52 asciilifeform 'When the economy collapses, hard-drinking people everywhere find all the more reason to get drunk, but much less wherewithal with which to procure drink. In Russia, innovative market-based solutions were quickly improvised, which it was my privilege to observe. ' << orlov's megaclassic, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml
11:54 mircea_popescu lmao wtf.
11:55 shinohai Therefore, investing in Night Train will be a win.
12:00 asciilifeform https://web.archive.org/web/20010123231000/http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F93/cisco.txt << lel from BingoBoingo's old link
12:04 Framedragger heheh they have a kind of solvency 'proof' - "How? The audit shows you the full list of WhiskyInvestDirect's user records. You will see that these public records contain your correct balances." - https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com/audit.do
12:04 asciilifeform Framedragger: it appears to be run by folx who did 'allocated gold' etc.
12:05 Framedragger good stuff!
12:05 asciilifeform in fact, i found the link in a spam from 'bullionvault', to which i was once a subscriber
12:06 asciilifeform they had very similar promisetron where you could 'view all of the balances'
12:07 Framedragger heheh. UK office addresses for bullionvault and whiskeyinvest appear to be the same - how nice
12:07 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9YGJAVQAAbQI7.jpg
12:08 asciilifeform lul
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13:56 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572500 << no bother at all / get better soon!
13:56 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 01:57 phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
13:57 asciilifeform Framedragger: the 'cut the balls' link is a riotous lul btw
13:57 Framedragger oya - i admit to watching it multiple times (had the pleasure of actually reading said object of satire)
14:01 mircea_popescu which is that one ?
14:03 Framedragger mircea_popescu: slavoj žižek
14:03 Framedragger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4
14:03 mircea_popescu o
14:03 * mircea_popescu is in a no video zone
14:05 Framedragger ^ (the above is parody - understandable if one gets confused tho lol)
14:05 Framedragger !#s pervert's guide to ideology
14:05 a111 0 results for "pervert's guide to ideology", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pervert's%20guide%20to%20ideology
14:05 Framedragger ^ decent flick of his
14:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was just a song, 'gotta cut their balls, cut their balls'
14:06 Framedragger oh no i meant "pervert's guide to cinema", the other one (ideology) is more preachy (as the title allows for)
14:07 Framedragger ..ah: http://trilema.com/2011/imbecilul-filosofia-si-cinematografia/
14:08 mircea_popescu lol!
14:09 mircea_popescu wow i totally trashed this.
14:09 mircea_popescu can you read it ?
14:11 Framedragger no, but the title intrigued me tho (apparently it reads as it sounds), so i've put it through google translate so your beautiful language can be raped and i can nevertheless get the gist..
14:11 Framedragger (i mean, the gist is prolly about right, i'd agree..)
14:12 mircea_popescu ima translate it, why not. brb.
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15:40 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/the-imbecile-philosophy-and-cinematography/ << Trilema - The imbecile, philosophy and cinematography
15:48 Framedragger ^ nice! veri greitful fuor yor translašn. -eastern yuropean guy
15:48 asciilifeform lul
15:49 mircea_popescu lmao
15:50 mircea_popescu i trust it works better than google.
15:51 Framedragger quite so! it does.
15:53 Framedragger i'm not sure if žižek "seriously references Stalin", i mean he has the guy's portrait in his apartment iirc (...), and it's a bit of a joke. (yes am aware stalin gets quoted, including in his books which i've glanced at.) either way, yeah, it's a dorky mish-mash of things...
15:53 shinohai Google translate is why r/btc misinterprets miners as saying "Suck Roger Ver's cock"
15:54 mats http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << you saying the panamanians are going to confiscate a USN ship?
15:54 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
15:55 mircea_popescu mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
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15:55 mircea_popescu nobody wants the fucking ship.
15:55 ben_vulpes water in the power transmission bearings this time
15:56 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the white house experts have identified russian hackers behind the incident.
15:56 ben_vulpes using highly radioactive polywater!
15:56 mats no no, its the chinese
15:56 mircea_popescu saddam hussein had wmds.
15:57 mats god forbid any american official EVER admits their systems are indefensible
15:57 mats xenophobia is the motherfucking answer!
15:58 mircea_popescu the global warming consensus is that jews did wtc.
15:59 mircea_popescu Framedragger anyway, stalin or no stalin, the marxist "perspective" is exactly "a study of antarctica from the point of view of santa's factory"
16:13 asciilifeform speaking of world's largest and least defensible golden toilets, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maZdUtB0ojs << very very speshul one, public only recently
16:13 asciilifeform 'flying pentagon'
16:14 asciilifeform ^ film was, it seems, taken by some unnamed official given 'vip tour', includes everything from toilets, bedrooms, to 'sooper seekrit' knobs etc.
16:17 mats interesting
16:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572807 << 1 shell for the mega-cannon probably costs 5mil. and a reload of all of the toilet paper holders on board -- perhaps the full 10.
16:17 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 20:55 mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
16:18 mircea_popescu which is exactly why they're gonna pay.
16:19 ben_vulpes the ships, along with the plane, are such a delightful distillation of the disintegration in place
16:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the pictured plane -- there are supposedly ~four~ of
16:24 mats hes probably referring to the f-35
16:24 asciilifeform possibly. the ultimate platinum-iridium-diamond toilet.
16:24 ben_vulpes mats has it
16:24 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that monster flies, though
16:24 asciilifeform iirc f35 also knew how to fly. for short bursts.
16:25 ben_vulpes knew?
16:25 asciilifeform well it was sold as a 'software-controlled, smart' whateverthefuck
16:25 asciilifeform intrinsically-unstable surfaces, or what was it.
16:26 mats too bad the army doesn't have a mega-visible, five-years-behind and 100bn-cost-overrun project of its own
16:26 mats that'd complete the trifecta
16:27 asciilifeform mats: how about war-in-afghan?
16:27 asciilifeform or not project-enough.
16:27 mircea_popescu really they should make one of those inept walking-tanks
16:27 ben_vulpes the v8 donkey!
16:27 mircea_popescu god knows us military stole everything else from georg lucas
16:27 mats lol
16:28 asciilifeform aha! and was in fact described in j. sladek's (1980s) 'tiktok'
16:28 mircea_popescu imagine you know, a 200mn a piece, 500 ton bipedal battle tank
16:28 asciilifeform army wanted too! so build a land carrier.
16:28 asciilifeform on wheels.
16:28 mircea_popescu easily defeated by swamps, thunderstorms etc.
16:28 asciilifeform which then broke down.
16:34 ben_vulpes in other trumpargentwat/international great again: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/cashing-in-bigly-in-argentina
16:34 mats http://nypost.com/2016/11/22/man-accused-of-trying-to-push-commuter-onto-tracks-for-being-white
16:35 ben_vulpes given how tight-lipped nyc has traditionally been with "pushed onto tracks" numbers, "rash" is unjustified.
16:36 mats http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e74_1448740839
16:36 mats this white nationalism stuff is entertaining++
16:36 mats 'forgive yourself'
16:37 asciilifeform what does mats recommend instead - wagner+cyanide ?
16:39 trinque so communist... "American President-Elect is in trouble for trying to make money with his legal business!"
16:41 mats asciilifeform: i like the sound of that
16:41 asciilifeform trinque: see, he forgot to declare it a FOUNDATION... then it'd be a-ok
16:42 asciilifeform esp if he were named clinton
16:42 ben_vulpes 501c3's show profit nao?
16:42 asciilifeform lol profit
16:43 mats the whole idea of white guilt is ridiculous
16:43 asciilifeform so long as the books sum to 0, can have luxury hookers made of caviar at the foot of every golden toilet in the office
16:43 ben_vulpes what if one has enough of those
16:44 asciilifeform iirc the thing one does when 'enough of those' is to eat one's shotgun
16:44 asciilifeform (see kobain et al)
16:44 ben_vulpes perhaps wants to 'invest' (lol) 'profits' (lol) into another venture (lol?)
16:44 asciilifeform or this. thiel et al.
16:45 ben_vulpes non profit does not serve this case of 'enough of those'.
16:45 ben_vulpes 'non profit'
16:45 trinque this altnazi vid narrator sounds fat as shit.
16:45 * ben_vulpes could not get sound to happen
16:46 asciilifeform somebody wake up BingoBoingo
16:46 asciilifeform i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat'
16:47 ben_vulpes haven't we done the 'make a people great again' thread as well?
16:47 ben_vulpes 'have a war, kill off 8/10'?
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16:50 * ben_vulpes does not see any of these 'nazis' signing up to go fight anywhere
16:50 * ben_vulpes is trolling liberals with "look at all of the war we've waged and all of the booty we brought back" lately
16:51 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: in your view, where ought they to fight ?
16:51 asciilifeform against pashtuns in afghan, to help keep cia heroin corridor into ru open ?
16:51 ben_vulpes kinda their problem not mine
16:52 asciilifeform 'where to fight' is problem above the expendable muppet's pay grade.
16:52 ben_vulpes and so they're stuck being the third generation down.
16:52 asciilifeform if there isn't a lenin, the answer will be 'against orcs, in world of orcraft'
16:55 shinohai I find it hilarious Trump chose Ben Carson as HUD Secretary
16:55 ben_vulpes orly?
16:56 ben_vulpes yeah that's rich
16:56 trinque I guess it has "urban" in it
16:56 ben_vulpes put the black dude in charge of the projects
16:56 shinohai keks
16:56 ben_vulpes makes this real fucked up kind of sense
16:57 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's altogether dubious. a) nobody wants to build in argentina atm, the market is dying ; b) it's as hamilton pointed out too little money, abuilding, wtf is a building ; c) the "journalist" this supposedly comes from has c1) no way of knowing and c2) a very good reason to lie, seeing how he's up to the eyeballs in debt which c2.1)is owed to a bunch of financially misplaced idiots who will go bankrupt if the caba r
16:57 mircea_popescu eal estate bubble actually pops.
16:57 mircea_popescu so no, there's nothing there.
16:58 ben_vulpes quite
16:58 ben_vulpes see: "trumpargenwat"
16:58 mircea_popescu this is how tv works in the third world (which more and more includes the us) : derp floats something "because why not".
16:58 shinohai This from a guy who said "I'm totally not interested in serving in Trumpreich" just days ago.
16:59 mircea_popescu anway - you can buy buenos aires buildings at judicial auction for a few mil. not like it's some sort of uber big deal.
16:59 trinque shinohai: by now it should be clear that nothing anyone says in that world matters tomorrow
17:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty.
17:00 mircea_popescu fat constricts ballsac and airways.
17:01 asciilifeform did everybody miss last night's 'mr.t kowtows to nyt and disavows 'extremists' etc.' thing ?
17:01 mircea_popescu not what i read there.
17:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572876 << btw this does not always work. worked for, e.g., su 1941-45, but not, say germany, in same. or, say, britain ww1. the latter two -- culled the wrong 8.
17:11 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 21:47 ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'?
17:11 mircea_popescu easier for su, any 8/10 just as good.
17:12 asciilifeform it wasn't 'any' tho
17:12 asciilifeform paradoxically, getting invaded and decimated -- is pretty good for 'you' (as biomaterial)
17:12 asciilifeform it is the 'just wanteds' who get nailed, slightly preferentially.
17:13 ben_vulpes better chances than thumbing ass and praying
17:13 asciilifeform 'pray for asteroid' -- orlol
17:22 ben_vulpes nyt transcript is pretty amusing. friendman's butthurt leaking all over the page.
17:23 ben_vulpes http://archive.is/OgJ6U
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17:41 mircea_popescu "SULZBERGER: I thought maybe I’d start this off by asking if you have anything you would like to start this off with before we move to" aaaaand i lost interest.
17:41 mircea_popescu fucktards are utterly unreadable by now, i'd rather peruse byzantine court poetry cca comnena.
17:43 ben_vulpes what /did/ you read on the 'kowtowing'?
17:43 mircea_popescu ~nothing tbh. did i miss out much ?
17:43 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you mean alf's q, the snippet in the logs yest, "oh, these ppl doing the nazi salute should stop"
17:44 ben_vulpes yeah that
17:44 ben_vulpes hmk
17:44 mircea_popescu wasn't aware this is particularly controversial.
17:45 ben_vulpes just trying to weave these threads of conversation into some bizarro fabric over here
17:58 asciilifeform sparing clitler is no longer 'controversial' ?
17:59 asciilifeform or 'keeping open mind' on 'climate change' treaty
17:59 asciilifeform or reconsidering THE WALL
17:59 asciilifeform or, or.
17:59 asciilifeform '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...'
18:03 trinque the guy went to pedo island just like bill
18:03 trinque CIA/NSA probably already neutered him a while ago
18:03 asciilifeform trinque: are you familiar with zhirinovsky ?
18:04 trinque I am not.
18:04 asciilifeform ru version of mr.t. 'created' in '91 when kpss decided to permit 'the first second political party'
18:04 asciilifeform but never quite went out of business, continues on as a kind of rush limbaugh
18:05 asciilifeform 'lightning rod', if you will.
18:05 trinque aha, sounds just like it.
18:06 asciilifeform the spencer d00d is a product of same machine
18:07 asciilifeform a walking zero, with 0 ideas, no oratory ability, etc. but with audience and zog media exposure because ~selected~ to work as flytrap.
18:08 shinohai !!up Dog1
18:08 deedbot Dog1 voiced for 30 minutes.
18:11 Dog1 So this this many member you would think there would be some type of conversation going on.
18:12 trinque we were waiting for you to get here.
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18:12 shinohai You just caught the tail ... http://btcbase.org/logs/ if you wanna catch up
18:12 shinohai Sorry http://btcbase.org/log/
18:12 asciilifeform now where's Dog2.
18:13 asciilifeform cannot work without 2,3,4.
18:13 asciilifeform sled -- needs 4.
18:13 Dog3 I am Doge
18:13 Framedragger in soviet russia, the dog make redundant *you*
18:13 trinque Dog3: I didn't vote for you
18:14 Dog1 well I have been called swinehawg (spelling in german not there ) LOL
18:15 mircea_popescu god damned this black mirror shit is unwatchable. where the fuck do they find these dumb bitchez that can't act to save their life, it's like they're not even b list. netflix has invented the c-list. and who the fuck writes this inane crap, it's like they're trying for a reboot of the venerable twilight zone / tales from the crypt, except failing to reach that high.
18:15 Dog1 and the rest of the pack will be around in time
18:15 mircea_popescu holy shit netflix is worse than mtv.
18:15 ben_vulpes trinque: oblig mug i grew up drinking out of http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bLsAAOSw1vlUubcb/s-l1600.jpg
18:15 shinohai I watched the Narcos show on Netflix ... was kinda tolerable
18:16 ben_vulpes http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tom-Edwards-Coffee-Mug-Dont-Look-at-Me-I-Didnt-Vote-for-Him-Social-Insecurity-/191805586136?hash=item2ca880fad8 << this one in particular
18:16 Dog1 got me
18:17 trinque ben_vulpes: heh, I was making a roundabout monty python reference
18:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i meant specifically the "naxi salute ppl are ridoinculous" bit ; re the "sparing hillary" thing the official excuse is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572221
18:18 a111 Logged on 2016-11-22 16:46 mircea_popescu: hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't.
18:19 Dog1 Once again shinohai are you done with that universal translator yet
18:19 trinque someone might've told him he's supposed to maintain the pretense of justice dept independence
18:20 shinohai Dog1: jhvh1 has google translate
18:20 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm not entirely sure what the argument is, so i dunno.
18:21 asciilifeform argument is that this movie is a rerun of jimmy carter election, where the man promised to 'show the aliens', or obummer, who promised 'legalize dope', etc.
18:21 mircea_popescu well it is a us election thingee.
18:22 Dog1 Pick the worst of two evils
18:22 mircea_popescu the dispute around that event centers on "alf : he can't win mp: lol of course he will", ain't gonna transmute into an "alf:dun matter that he won".
18:22 asciilifeform each d00d sits down at the blinkenlights panel and starts playing with knobs, and notices that they are mostly not connected to anything; and the ones that are, if he starts twiddling, Nice Polite Folx show up and gently tell him that he must stop, or There Will Be Problems.
18:23 mircea_popescu of course it dun matter, it's a broken ikea replica of an engine.
18:23 Dog1 Alf likes Cats
18:23 mircea_popescu Dog1 who are you again ?
18:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems like we agree on that one
18:23 Dog1 just a traveller
18:23 asciilifeform lemme guess, vex is back
18:23 mircea_popescu !!down Dog1
18:23 mircea_popescu come back as a useful something.
18:24 * asciilifeform assumed that it was trinque's drinking mate or such
18:24 mircea_popescu was it ?
18:24 shinohai Eulorian
18:24 trinque I never heard of him
18:24 mircea_popescu not in #eulora ?
18:25 mircea_popescu trinque that's kinda the thing, everyone tends to assume such things because why risk offending friend of lord.
18:25 mircea_popescu prolly should be standing policy to actually announce such situations.
18:26 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572942 << I guess this wasn't dry enough, lol
18:26 a111 Logged on 2016-11-23 23:12 trinque: we were waiting for you to get here.
18:27 trinque guy comes in asking to be entertained
18:27 shinohai Entropy works in mysterious wayz
18:38 shinohai Trump look-alikes rejoice http://archive.is/aibsP
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19:21 ben_vulpes trump claims he'll file notice to withdraw from the tpp
19:21 ben_vulpes probably old news, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8
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20:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/406577CA894C81B306E183F8E52DC6A997A0DFC2F6014A022722084E4F1C6F78 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2250...9729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.168 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
20:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8858EE7CB6022AED42C545A74146BF9C447E5343491434A1A837E77B3C3BA8D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2425...8041 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.199.146.46 (ssh-rsa key from 94.199.146.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
20:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EF16720088A8B9131E028CD48CA8152C4897E65A6BCADF7CA824678FCEDA8D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...4289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.242.250.181 (ssh-rsa key from 213.242.250.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
20:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC0E3D6DE5D49CB2216B41DCC324A402E22511134B8DB6EF249EF2AF84F49456 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2222...7649 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.236.111.100 (ssh-rsa key from 89.236.111.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
20:11 shinohai Argentina!
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20:48 mircea_popescu 4 different ones too
20:49 shinohai Phuctor practices diversity
20:50 mircea_popescu and in other news, the pink room : http://68.media.tumblr.com/a94a71664eaaea4ff5feebaf1013ef1f/tumblr_mst7aej6HO1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg
20:51 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Very fat people indeed sound fat
20:52 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty. << AHA, not to mention low airflow!
20:53 mircea_popescu aha.
20:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you not like the new deedbot phuctor style ?
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20:54 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...' << He won that vote. Now has to win December vote still.
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21:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573004 << it is good to see the ip here
21:19 a111 Logged on 2016-11-24 01:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you not like the new deedbot phuctor style ?
21:20 mircea_popescu yeah.
21:20 mircea_popescu esp as there was no guarantee you'd get the whole mod anyway.
21:20 asciilifeform geoestimator thing such as the one kako had would be also neat, but i dun have one handy
21:21 asciilifeform and hah, a ru ip
21:22 asciilifeform not so many of these to date.
21:22 * asciilifeform bbl -- meat!
21:35 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzotRe0VjRU << syrians build technical out of 19th century artillery piece and flatbed truck
21:42 mats it reminds me of how the communists dug up caches of muskets buried by the ming
21:48 phf (in totally unrelated news, if you hover over the xref arrows in the log, the tooltip will show you corresponding entry. not very useful in the back link because the bot quotes, but handy in forward link. wanted to add that feature for a while..)
21:49 mircea_popescu nice
21:49 Framedragger ahh nice. (actually i got used to opening new tabs for xrefs so i think people will actually look at hover text..)
22:04 shinohai !~display 200.69.47.168
22:04 jhvh1 shinohai: {'city': 'Federal', 'region_name': '08', 'longitude': -58.8, 'country_code3': 'ARG', 'latitude': -30.94999999999999, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'AR', 'country_name': 'Argentina'}
22:04 mircea_popescu ah cool!
22:05 shinohai Forgive the json brackets, will try to sort that crud out
22:05 mircea_popescu not a big deal.
22:07 shinohai When one asks for tools in #trilema, you may perhaps be handed a stone adze
22:07 mircea_popescu lol
22:07 mircea_popescu any luck with teh window ?
22:08 shinohai not yet, still on the list though.
22:12 shinohai !~lookup qntra.net
22:12 jhvh1 shinohai: 46.166.170.207
22:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8858EE7CB6022AED42C545A74146BF9C447E5343491434A1A837E77B3C3BA8D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1539...2533 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.199.146.46 (ssh-rsa key from 94.199.146.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
22:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EF16720088A8B9131E028CD48CA8152C4897E65A6BCADF7CA824678FCEDA8D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1493...6289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.242.250.181 (ssh-rsa key from 213.242.250.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
22:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC0E3D6DE5D49CB2216B41DCC324A402E22511134B8DB6EF249EF2AF84F49456 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...2567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.236.111.100 (ssh-rsa key from 89.236.111.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
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22:38 Framedragger shinohai: ah nice! i've been brewing sth similar so scriba can look up info for all IPs it finds in messages but since you have the display/lookup now, maybe you'd like to incorporate this (so it triggers on ip mention) - this is for sopel not limnoria, mind you: http://log.mkj.lt/ipinfo.py.txt
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22:38 Framedragger (if not i can incorporate it - or maybe it's not even needed). bbl
22:40 mircea_popescu eh, bot shouldn't speak whenever it thinks it sees an ip.
22:41 trinque I've already got phuctor-related hax in my feeds thing; I don't mind adding a geoip python module to the mix.
22:42 Framedragger (just fyi http://ipinfo.io/IP_ADDRESS gives nice json incl AS number and name)
22:43 Framedragger (as in, if it's requested by a non-browser it'll return json - e.g. `curl ipinfo.io/8.8.8.8`)
22:43 trinque I'm loath to use people's APIs for things when I dun gotta
22:44 trinque looks like there's a geoip pyturd
22:45 Framedragger fair enough. note thought that offline geoip DBs need updating. like, tor ships with new maxmind geoip DB for AS numbers (need to ensure tor circuit is from different ASes [*dodge mp laughing*]) every month
22:45 Framedragger though*
22:46 Framedragger also reverse PTR / hostname lookup is nice
22:46 trinque yeh, dnspython does that
22:48 Framedragger ah, cool! yeah i get your api-dependence point
22:49 trinque would be different if the guy was in my wot.
22:50 trinque not that usg.dns is in my wot...
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23:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/406577CA894C81B306E183F8E52DC6A997A0DFC2F6014A022722084E4F1C6F78 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...7663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.168 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
23:11 mircea_popescu hm this was once before ?
23:17 mircea_popescu in other news 8chan decides assange is dead and video proof is no sort of proof : http://8ch.net/pol/res/8294899.html
23:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF6D44E4202187EB45DBC01A17B3000109EF6CA42E1493A13D442DBFD6D309AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...8069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.246.42 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.246.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
23:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2C600F2ACA29012D9DCDE416D65D7AC2E5A29A5B4B0EB998A1FE9F7E85B9303 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...1253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.41.156.230 (ssh-rsa key from 78.41.156.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
23:30 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5770
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