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00:00 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4110995 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'JRMF <jrmf@hotmail.es>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90F94C2DC01C6D471E433F6EBBFB6897CE57B9F5A96A3D7D4AA6A23E94E5529C
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00:20 phf for interested parties, i have a modified version of vdiff. http://paste.lisp.org/display/318813 (this one is mac specific, so if your shasum is different command you need to patch that, otherwise it should be portable)
00:21 phf of the two changes, it makes sure to close the cmd, which is a bug on bsd awks (or rather a defense against permissive gnu awk) the descriptors are kept open for each of the cmd's eventually running into open file limit
00:22 phf and the other one, and main reason for posting, is that you can use it in a pipe. like diff -uNr a b | vdiff to vdiffy-y any regular patch
00:23 phf which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
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00:37 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The lighter side of Russia. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/the-lighter-side-of-russia/
00:44 BingoBoingo https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/16/06/19/2222201/jj-abrams-reacts-to-death-of-star-trek-actor-anton-chekov-yelchin << Jeep Grand Cherokee, why should powered products of today's China be any more feared than those of today's US
00:47 BingoBoingo oglaf.com/exhale/
00:48 phf man oglafbot has gone lazy
00:49 BingoBoingo yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
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01:43 felipelalli (sorry, I'm a little drunk) https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ox7re/as_a_bitcoin_hodler_i_beg_please_make_the_fork/
01:45 felipelalli mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10
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03:19 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
03:19 gribble Current Blocks: 417175 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 136 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 44 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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06:52 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo thanks, will make up for shitposting with something good when I can tune in something besides dao/ether noise.
06:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
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07:20 shinohai ;;later tell mircea_popescu I sense a thaw in relations now: http://archive.is/hbqvK "Gibe monies plox"
07:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo answer't.
07:24 mircea_popescu shinohai i still dunno if that's a good or a bad for bit-card
07:25 shinohai >.<
07:25 shinohai this is the first time i've actually been to ethereum sub. its filthy.
07:26 mircea_popescu sorta like 4chan for business majors.
07:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485526 << i can only guess at what this sort of thing does to teh mp hater,
07:32 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 05:45 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10
07:32 mircea_popescu but it ain't pretty.
07:34 mircea_popescu phf interesting.
07:34 mircea_popescu any chance of putting this on ~your blog~, so if three years from now i go "hey i wonder where was that thing phf made with the diffs" i can save an hour ?
07:35 shinohai I miss giant parabolic antennas of the 80's
07:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524 << that "Ladies and gentleman;" thing makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GafedXBYNAk
07:37 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
07:42 mircea_popescu ahahaha ok this is rich!
07:43 Framedragger have to admit, kind of honestly exciting to watch DAO unravel this way
07:43 Framedragger "recursive call contracts" must some phrase out of a 1980s cyberpunk book
07:44 Framedragger must be*
07:44 mircea_popescu "I will buy Ether from any users who rage quit because of a hard fork. It won't be much because most opposition here is from non-stakeholders trying to deny stakeholders their right to self determination." << that's how http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ 's "the people themselves" is called now ? "right to self determination" ?
07:44 mircea_popescu "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
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07:45 mircea_popescu amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
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07:45 mircea_popescu Framedragger postmodernism is ultrafictive huh.
07:45 Framedragger DAO is like some kind of flawed library of babel, collapsing in on itself in fractals
07:45 Framedragger /me hallucinates and enjoys it
07:46 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6948309778074958508023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Leonardo Zillo Monte Xillo <leonardo@zillo.it>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/510AF37CD9BEDC08A601ECFA864E20396412F81214CB415D6F02054540101CDB
07:47 shinohai Framedragger: I think of pulsars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEVo-LkDrQ
07:48 Framedragger shinohai: nice. also, i just remembered probing one of those software defined radios on the internet, and hearing this high frequency thing. checked, it said it was some pulsar. that thing out there doing full 360 degree spins in less than a second, and us hearing it.. cool stuff
07:49 shinohai I have a few of those dongles, have always loved tagging pulsars with it
07:49 Framedragger the additional ethereum from the child dao splits is teh leaked gravitational energy, something something
07:49 Framedragger s/energy/momentum/
07:54 thestringpuller r u srs???? https://twitter.com/slockitproject/status/744860466552410112
07:55 mircea_popescu lmao. this from the still very vocal "company" THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS ?
07:56 mircea_popescu the cheek of the usg agents, you know. "legal system" czar gave them the note signed by hitler, they perceive responsibility as a thing of the past.
08:00 thestringpuller So let me get this straight. Vitalik believes everything should be on the blockchain cuz "future". Hype ensues, and because of stupid "block size issue" in Bitcoin, he's able to pump the bubble with gullible ether huffers.
08:00 thestringpuller Okay, so CCO Stephan Tual is waking him off and tries to "do work", by creating slock.it. Slock it is a company who's flagship vaporware is the Slock connected to an "Ethereum Computer". The Slock is a lock based on a smart contract, that unlocks a door when someone pays enough Ether via a hub like AirBNB. So called making "rentals" automated. They release the DAO and pump that to crowdfund their computer. The DAO gets hacked and they
08:05 thestringpuller "I think we're soon going to see discussions of liability consume this community in a way that makes the MtGox fiasco look simple by comparison -- because it was, in terms of liability."
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08:24 mircea_popescu heh.
08:24 mircea_popescu while on that topic, perhaps mention worthy, http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117654
08:29 thestringpuller phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
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08:30 thestringpuller for instance: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485552 << gets lost if you click it cause its at the bottom
08:30 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 11:45 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
08:31 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "Groups of scammers use these idiots, exactly like the 'Ndrangheta used that Josh Zerlan muppet" << goes back to the thread of "Bernie Madoff wasn't to blame alone"; i.e. the muppets that vouched/pumped his scam
08:31 mircea_popescu quite.
08:32 thestringpuller hmmm. perhaps there is distinction between "harmless idiot" and "harmful idiot". Much like debate of useful vs useless idiot.
08:33 mircea_popescu well, if this were some sort of uncontrollable spread by vector like infection, then yes. but in point of fact they're only contagious IF YOU AGREE. you don't have to agree.
08:33 mircea_popescu while they should be beheaded in principle, there's really no emergency.
08:34 mircea_popescu but in other etherape news... http://66.media.tumblr.com/ad18a203f2a9767b5e1828b4101dd41b/tumblr_o3uct3Ak2z1twkv1qo2_400.gif
08:34 mircea_popescu check them out, THEY RECOVERED.
08:34 mircea_popescu (notrly)
08:36 shinohai ETH: -8.26 % DAO: -13.45 %
08:37 mircea_popescu hopefully it bleeds out the entirety of mit's 13 bn worth of paper "endowments" and we don't have to hear about that shithole ever again.
08:38 shinohai mit hates him! Learn how to rape the dao with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK!
08:38 mircea_popescu exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524
08:38 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
08:39 shinohai heh sigaint.org was pwnd years ago wasn't it?
08:42 thestringpuller "After researching Bitcoin, Buterin wanted to get his hands on some so he could formally join this new, experimental economy, but he had neither the cash to buy them, nor the computing power necessary to mine them himself. Instead he searched the online Bitcoin forums until he found someone who was willing to pay him in bitcoin for contributing to a blog. Every post earned him 5 bitcoins."
08:42 thestringpuller Master shill till you get yo fill.
08:42 thestringpuller actually i'm trad marking that "Master Shill"(tm)
08:47 shinohai seriously these ppl using "gotomypc.com" service who are one password hack away from having all your shit exfiltrated or ransomed.
08:48 * shinohai still waiting for leaks or for company to say how bad.
08:51 mircea_popescu whole db.
08:51 mircea_popescu in the new normal of usg agents, "you only say something if it benefits you". so they don't see the point of saying "we lost it all", because what's in it for them ?
08:52 mircea_popescu much like that slock muppet isn't coming out with a "we fucked it all up, i'm unqualified to trim hedges" suicide note.
08:52 shinohai kek
08:52 mircea_popescu much like phantomcircuit is still "contributing" to bitcoin, presumably new and novel ways to send the whole customer list the whole customer emails list.
08:54 thestringpuller Meanwhile Roger Ver is getting desperate:
08:54 thestringpuller Congratulations small blockers, Bitcoin is now more expensive than an international bank wire transfer in some cases. Here is a $50 tx fee paid for a single transaction
08:54 thestringpuller And links to >> https://blockchain.info/tx/e688df0207f885aa9d4dc61092817cf17334f981c577c16f840b0523216cbb4c
08:54 thestringpuller Which is a 48kb transaction
08:57 mircea_popescu aww!
08:57 shinohai well perhaps they shouldn't spam treatises on bigger blocks to the blockchain, thereby reducing wasted space.
08:57 mircea_popescu he should try sending a 50kb wire sometime.
08:58 mircea_popescu such a worldy man as roger ver should fucking know what that costs.
08:58 mircea_popescu "a transaction" ie, "pay from these 500 accounts to these 500 accounts" is not ONE wire. it's 1001 wires.
08:59 mircea_popescu yes you get discounts if you do a lot of international settlements, but still.
08:59 shinohai "NEM uses innovative Proof-of-Importance algorithm: first reputation based blockchain algorythm" ( java, javascript)
09:00 mircea_popescu hopefully PoP & PoT come out soon
09:01 mircea_popescu then they can have the Pot vs PoB holy wars, arraying anarcho-bureaucratists vs queer nontransgenerational feminists & vegans or something.
09:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
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09:12 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117655
09:12 BingoBoingo shinohai: Attracting comments is good. It proves we have readers.
09:23 thestringpuller lol. the loan rates on ether are like 0.001% for 2 days
09:23 thestringpuller amount available to borrow 140k ether
09:28 shinohai Chesscoin: A giant premined ico turd with only 4096 blocks of scrypt pow
09:36 Framedragger asciilifeform: openpgp'd ssh keys (thanks jurov for PGPy hack): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ - 13 bz2 archives, each of which contains directory with 800k-900k files (one file per key, assumption was that this'd be easiest for bulk import)
09:37 Framedragger asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
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09:41 mircea_popescu nice!
09:45 Framedragger (dunno how bulk import on phuctor is done but hopefully it's something pretty close to `for f in *; do ./import_this_openpgp $f; done`) :)
09:53 mircea_popescu $up KGery
09:53 deedbot KGery voiced for 30 minutes.
09:54 mircea_popescu KGery go ahead
09:54 KGery $register E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7
09:54 deedbot Import failed for E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7.
09:54 mircea_popescu hm
09:55 KGery $register KGery E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7
09:55 deedbot Import failed for KGery.
09:55 mircea_popescu KGery well, give it a few hours we'll see wtf this is.
09:56 KGery Okay, will try again after a while
10:01 shinohai lol I just realized that gatecoin was a "partner" of slock.it
10:01 shinohai http://qntra.net/2016/05/altcoin-exchange-hacked-claims-2-million-united-states-dollars-lost/
10:03 mircea_popescu aww
10:03 KGery managed to get deedbot to register me
10:04 KGery How do i request credidentals to Eulorum now?
10:04 mircea_popescu a cool.
10:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485519 << this is potentially useful
10:06 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
10:06 asciilifeform though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
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10:06 asciilifeform works on ANY unix
10:06 asciilifeform rather than relying on flagolade
10:07 mircea_popescu $key KGery
10:07 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/51a1d03a-d35a-4b40-a67b-7cba7922e186/
10:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485551 << i would say 'idiots who believed promises made by state are extinct' but this appears not to be the case.
10:07 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 11:44 mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
10:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485610 << how does this work ?
10:08 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 13:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
10:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform part of the "import a sig" chain, see what phuctor says.
10:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485617 << nice. these will stoke the furnace for a very long time.
10:13 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 13:37 Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
10:13 Framedragger good stuff
10:13 asciilifeform (the one and only actual bottleneck on phuctor is getting keys in - there is NO way around db query FOR EACH)
10:18 mircea_popescu i guess so huh
10:25 Framedragger asciilifeform: if it's a regular rdbms i guess you can at least pipeline it in the db itself, e.g. https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/queries-with.html - but i imagine the bottleneck is not exactly there
10:25 Framedragger i.e. do the loop of for each as part of the query itself; but maybe you already do that
10:32 asciilifeform Framedragger: the queries can't be batched.
10:32 asciilifeform try to understand why, it is educational.
10:33 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you can't use map reduce?
10:33 thestringpuller /sarcasm
10:34 Framedragger :)
10:34 Framedragger right, you need to go through every existing modulus and check against it, i guess
10:35 Framedragger i'll read that djb's paper soon now
10:47 asciilifeform Framedragger: this has nothing to do with the gcd thing
10:48 asciilifeform in other lulz: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed
10:50 Framedragger asciilifeform: so is it then because you need to insert them sequentially, you can't paralllelize because if you do you won't end up with db which'd have "*all* moduli tested against each other"?
10:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's been very amusing to watch the margins of the impact crater.
10:50 asciilifeform Framedragger: it is because the mods MUST be deduplicated.
10:50 asciilifeform and correctly cross-referenced with the originating keys.
10:51 Framedragger ..makes sense.
10:51 Framedragger ok
10:52 mircea_popescu but the lulziest part : their "solution" consists of a blacklist to be baked into code forevermore!
10:52 Framedragger yeah i observed how dupe check works correctly in phuctor, and in retrospect it really is important, right
10:52 mircea_popescu imagine the clever mit governance of their scamcoin. by 2018 there will be 10gb of crud. "why is this all here ?!?!?!?!"
10:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey, it 'works' for microshit!111111
10:52 mircea_popescu "|well, this line is because one idiot put a bug in in march 2015. this one april. these fifteen may. etc. it's all needed"
10:53 asciilifeform winblowz source ACTUALLY looks like this.
10:53 mircea_popescu aha.
10:53 mircea_popescu also the lulz at the stephan tual idiot, "nothing was stolen nothing was lost"
10:54 mircea_popescu point to the moon, vc tard will look at the finger. then gouge his eyes out, and he'll thank you for nothing happening.
10:54 mircea_popescu anyway, ima bbl. if the various journos that kept wanting interviews do manage to find their way to the internet, keep 'em warm ima be back in a few hours.
10:59 shinohai http://archive.is/ZQexq
10:59 asciilifeform notagain.jpg
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11:04 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485570 << that should already happen, so probably feature is broken in one of the browsers. if you can give me name/version i could debug it, and possibly even fix it
11:04 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 12:29 thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
11:06 thestringpuller phf: ah. outdated chrome. just updated chrome and it is working now.
11:06 thestringpuller user error :(
11:08 phf thestringpuller: which version of chrome was it?
11:08 phf it's such a simple feature it should really work all the way back to IE5 or whatever
11:19 thestringpuller Yea. I don't think it was the version. I think I "broke" my chrome at work.
11:19 thestringpuller it was just*
11:19 phf oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/
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11:23 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around
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11:23 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 14:06 asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
11:23 asciilifeform fair enough
11:29 asciilifeform Framedragger: pumping'em in...
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11:51 shinohai https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/744914837126316032 <<< john mcaffe makes dao declaration
11:52 asciilifeform lel
12:00 Framedragger here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/
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12:00 Framedragger asciilifeform: cool!
12:01 Framedragger hope the crunching goes well
12:12 shinohai "sluck.it: desperate to have the mEth community come together and clean up the shit they took on the carpet."
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13:12 thestringpuller $up Bugpowder
13:12 deedbot thestringpuller may not $up Bugpowder
13:26 mats $up Bugpowder
13:26 deedbot mats may not $up Bugpowder
13:26 Bugpowder Im up
13:27 mats dunno why deedbot didn't try anyway
13:30 mats oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar
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13:30 mats and neither is thestringpuller
13:31 Bugpowder lol
13:31 Bugpowder this is the L1 L2 thing?
13:31 thestringpuller lol
13:31 mats join #cryptography-dev
13:31 mats er
13:33 mats yes Bugpowder i think so
13:36 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485707 <<< i think there are stricter rules for deedbot no?
13:36 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 17:30 mats: oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar
13:37 mats ;;later tell mike_c 503 at http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mats&to=deedbot
13:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:38 trinque mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
13:38 trinque phf: were you able to connect to pg?
13:39 trinque if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot
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13:39 shinohai no nick for just deedbot in btcalpha :/
13:39 mats oops.
13:39 mats shouldn't 503 anyway, though
13:40 shinohai http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats <<< worx >.<
13:44 thestringpuller shinohai: its deedbot now
13:45 trinque thestringpuller: trinque │ mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
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14:23 phf i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro
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14:27 asciilifeform unlikely to happen. unix is a half-dead thing, like pgp.
14:27 phf obsolete technology to be replaced by ???
14:27 asciilifeform aha.
14:27 asciilifeform precisely that.
14:28 phf to be replaced by my smbx restoration attempts in 20 years time and 20mil shorter :p
14:28 asciilifeform i can't recall if we had the thread,
14:28 asciilifeform but smbx lispm was actually a terrific crock of shit, implementation-wise
14:29 asciilifeform ~95% undergrad hacks by weight, to get around the quite baroque hardware stack forced by the tech of the period.
14:30 asciilifeform it was ~conceptually~ The Right Thing in 1,001 ways that c-machine is not, but not something that really deserves to be rebuilt verbatim (other than for study)
14:31 phf well, it can be rebuilt as a staging platform, sort of like instead of building own city, can just use the carcass of a roman settlement. it's not rome, but with some study can understand rome nature and work towards that.
14:31 asciilifeform aha.
14:32 asciilifeform point being, the higher-level stuff is interesting and useful, but the foundations are crud. mainly, cost of memory and disk at the time made orthogonal persistence a largely unthinkable thing.
14:33 Framedragger re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc
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14:33 asciilifeform likewise, slow clocks of the time made 'compilation must be a form of caching strictly' likewise unthinkable.
14:34 Framedragger asciilifeform: ..however, short-term some local optimum surely exists
14:34 asciilifeform Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago
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14:34 asciilifeform it had NO FUCKING RNG AT ALL FOR YEARS and NO ONE NOTICED.
14:34 Framedragger let me guess, i should check the logs :)
14:34 asciilifeform and moved to shit compiler, throwing away gcc
14:34 asciilifeform it is dead to me.
14:34 Framedragger you misspelt debian /joke
14:34 Framedragger llvm?
14:34 asciilifeform aha.
14:34 Framedragger is llvm surely shit? i was always wary of it, but technically speaking, why shit?
14:34 BingoBoingo Framedragger: FreeBSD is basically Fedora/Red Hat level shitgnome infested
14:35 mats llvm is p technically interesting
14:35 Framedragger these abstract rebuttals always confuse me
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14:35 Framedragger too much thought compression
14:35 BingoBoingo $google Freebsd random bug
14:35 asciilifeform Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy.
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14:35 asciilifeform this suffices for me.
14:35 Framedragger *yawn*
14:35 Framedragger k
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14:35 asciilifeform it exists strictly because apple wanted to be rid of the gpl.
14:35 asciilifeform $s llvm
14:35 a111 70 results for "llvm", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=llvm
14:35 asciilifeform ^ have fun
14:36 Framedragger BingoBoingo: lol talk about selection bias;surely you can do the same for various linuxes
14:36 BingoBoingo Framedragger: If you bsd either NEtBSD or OpenbsD but make own ports.
14:36 phf Framedragger: linux is worst is better in this case. it sucks in the same way freebsd sucks, but it has more support, more software, more drivers, etc.
14:37 asciilifeform at any rate, all unix is architecturally defective in ways which inevitably lead to the same piles of shit we are kicking around today.
14:37 BingoBoingo Framedragger: Sure like Debian. The freebsd problem is where there bugs keep popping up (i.e. places that make crypto impossibru)
14:37 phf but llvm is definitely toxic because it was designed with the ~explicitly stated goal~ of killing gcc
14:37 Framedragger phf: the latter is true i suppose, but on stable hardware configurations the"drivers" etc prolly does not apply. but sure, size etc
14:37 asciilifeform Framedragger: this 'stable hardware' thing also doesn't exist.
14:37 asciilifeform anywhere.
14:38 phf Framedragger: fwiw i've spent about 4 years on freebsd, from 98 to 2002 or so and it pains me to no end that platform compromised where theo held the perimeters with an iron fist.
14:39 Framedragger asciilifeform: that's a misuse of slippery slope i think; i could e.g. say then that any "concept" is not "stable" and not "truly ontologically grounded" or whatever. but i guess there's actual stuff / critique to be said about stability of hardware in particular, so, fair enough i guess
14:39 * asciilifeform 2000-2006 or so
14:39 asciilifeform Framedragger: no slopes, slippery or otherwise. simply pointing out that the 'you can buy this machine, and 20 yrs from now you can buy 100% compatible one' does NOT exist.
14:40 asciilifeform nor threatens to exist.
14:40 * Framedragger on and off but generally not old enough to join the club. the documentation is a piece of work though..
14:40 Framedragger asciilifeform: sure, ok
14:40 trinque I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd
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14:40 asciilifeform even if you reduce the 20 to, say, 5.
14:41 asciilifeform ALSO does not exist.
14:41 trinque if I had another pair of hands I'd finish porting portage over
14:42 asciilifeform for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set.
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14:43 asciilifeform nor does the effort of attempting sane os pay off, lacking stable iron.
14:43 asciilifeform this is why the only tmsr silicon worth making is an fpga.
14:44 asciilifeform (see logz, we had at least half a dozen 'if fpga actually existed' threads.)
14:44 thestringpuller Instead of the Bitcoin computer. S.NSA can make the TMSR Computer.
14:45 asciilifeform thestringpuller: we had this thread also a dozen times.
14:46 asciilifeform thestringpuller: with current fabrication tech, the cost of fabricating any quantity of sane computer could never be earned back.
14:46 thestringpuller We pay for nice things. etc. etc.
14:47 trinque moreover if you don't have a plan to march from A to B, B is pointless to consider strategically
14:47 trinque hence my collection of driftwood
14:48 trinque "we will arrive at B with negative 50k men and three un-tanks"
14:48 asciilifeform trinque: sorta what we have now.
14:48 trinque l0l
14:49 asciilifeform i'm personally riding two dozen untanks.
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14:49 asciilifeform 'i rode a tank, held a general's rank, while the blitzkrieg rages and the bodies stank...' (tm) (r)
14:49 phf Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richness, so everyone's excited abou
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14:49 phf t it), but unlike federated gcc, llvm is owned entirely by apple and greater extent other apple aligned corporations. their interests are ~opposite~ to those of enterprising individuals.
14:50 asciilifeform ^
14:50 asciilifeform good summary.
14:52 thestringpuller not even just a little dick up the butthole?
14:52 thestringpuller like if you HAD to have a dick up your butthole.
14:52 phf you might not notice it, because you look at it from the perspective of release summaries and hacker news posts, but the kind of decisions that go into llvm are ~entirely~ driven by large corporate with large teams and large hardware needs. it's synergistic.
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14:52 trinque itt thestringpuller henceforth dubbed justthetip
14:54 thestringpuller i'm just saying what if option is big dick up butthole or little dick up butthole. i know ideal situation is no dick up butthole at all.
14:54 asciilifeform thestringpuller: there is always a 3rd option, 'fight to the death'.
14:54 thestringpuller of course the cost of that is your life. sometimes a prisoner would rather have dick up butt than shiv in kidney.
14:55 thestringpuller just sayin'
14:55 asciilifeform thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately.
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14:55 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-16#1407078 << thread
14:55 a111 Logged on 2016-02-16 16:51 mircea_popescu: this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree.
14:58 thestringpuller "You know, I spend a lot of time, you know, thinking about all the shit I could've done. I mean, I wake up in the morning and I think, I could've been the motherfucking president. Shit. Nigga, I wish things had've been different. I mean, I'd do anything in the motherfucking world just for things to be different. I guess I'm just gonna be raping niggas' asses for the rest of my motherfucking life." - Random Prisoner Who Thought He Woul
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15:18 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s
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15:19 asciilifeform 'NSC 26/2 was mistakenly declassified in 1985 by an archivist at the Truman Presidential Library which is part of the National Archives and Records Administration. A library official in a legal deposition deemed it the worst security breach in the National Archives’ history. A furious CIA demanded the archivist be fired, but he remained a library employee after losing his top-secret clearance. NSC 26/2 was reclassified top secret,
15:19 asciilifeform but by this time Research Publications, a Connecticut company, had sent it along with other microfiched documents to libraries across the country. The microfiche weren’t recalled after a government decision – it’s not clear by whom – that it would arouse attention. '
15:26 asciilifeform in yet other lulz,
15:26 asciilifeform http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
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15:27 asciilifeform 'The tests will potentially knock out all GPS-reliant services including WAAS, GBAS and, notably, ADS-B. The FAA also doesn’t want a lot of radio chatter about the outages and is urging pilots to report them if they need help from ATC. Operators of Embraer Phenom 300 business jets are being urged to avoid the area entirely. “Due to GPS Interference impacts potentially affecting Embraer 300 aircraft flight stability controls, FAA
15:27 asciilifeform recommends EMB Phenom pilots avoid the … testing area and closely monitor flight control systems,” the Notam reads.'
15:27 asciilifeform for srs?
15:27 asciilifeform lizard jets can be toppled with cheap jammer ?
15:27 mats i mean, USN only just restarted teaching stellar navigation, so...
15:28 BingoBoingo What, it isn't like GPS satellites broadcast with 10,000 screaming hot watts of power.
15:29 trinque http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/GENOT_7110_711_EMB-300.pdf
15:29 trinque wahahaha
15:29 trinque who builds these things?
15:29 deedbot [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Update: Journalist Swindled Into Writing A #Longread - http://qntra.net/2016/06/hoaxtoshi-update-journalist-swindled-into-writing-a-longread/
15:30 trinque the thing has to be emergency landed if GPS is lost?
15:32 asciilifeform apparently ?
15:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: modern gps jamming countermeasures play clever tricks with ~direction~
15:36 asciilifeform (jammer is most usually ~below~ the victim, genuine article - above.)
15:37 BingoBoingo ah
15:37 mircea_popescu the days of gsm style gps "whatever stronger source wins" are done with the 90s
15:40 mircea_popescu in other "internet of things" lulz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c4fd4dd1-38d7-4cd8-b571-b415dd7c9919/
15:49 * trinque does a deedbot deploy for whitespace trimming around commands
16:02 mircea_popescu in other news, apparently the uk is looking at legal options to implement a recursive splitting from the eu and subsequently drain all euros.
16:03 asciilifeform l0l
16:03 mircea_popescu altogether not a bad idea.
16:03 shinohai hue
16:07 mircea_popescu $up Framedragger
16:07 mircea_popescu heh
16:07 deedbot Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes.
16:07 mircea_popescu $up fromphuctor
16:07 deedbot fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
16:17 mircea_popescu all the butthurt people, oh noes. what shall we ever do!
16:21 jurov Framedragger: if you already openpgp'd the keys, feeding them to phuctor via http is trivial
16:21 mircea_popescu slow tho
16:21 jurov i suspect alf won't do it himself because reasons
16:22 jurov "it's not fit for that purpose" or such
16:22 mircea_popescu omg wai.
16:22 jurov or i misread the discussion?
16:22 trinque asciilifeform said he *would* feed them in.
16:23 jurov aok
16:23 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483485 < i meant this discussion
16:23 a111 Logged on 2016-06-16 15:41 asciilifeform: this incidentally is why phuctor had been a depressing thing for me. the thing i set out to find, i never found (evidence of diddled rng on pgp users' boxes.)
16:25 * mircea_popescu thinks jurov's trying to stir shit up!
16:27 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484330
16:27 a111 Logged on 2016-06-17 20:43 asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale.
16:27 trinque "I suspect because tmsr is being lax about read-the-logs beatings."
16:28 asciilifeform for fucks sake
16:28 asciilifeform they are already being fed in
16:28 asciilifeform 5100+ already.
16:30 jurov fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427
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16:30 a111 Logged on 2016-06-16 15:24 asciilifeform: understand, if i were to switch phuctor to storing IN this format, NO key it spits out will ever be eatable by gpg.
16:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485681 <<< lol @poor schmuck hallucinating self "novelist", deciding to press on ANYWAY in spite of craig derp beheading because he also hallucinates himself some sort of postmodern orpheus who;'s gonna lyre the beasts to sleep, only to fall flat.
16:30 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 14:59 asciilifeform: notagain.jpg
16:31 mircea_popescu hopefully his local dispensary has enough pills to medicate him back to copacetic normalcy
16:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485690 <<< i lollered.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 15:19 phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/
16:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485697 << let's zoom out on this derp's prose. "i was. I began. math was easy (FOR ME!). my grades. i got. i transferred. i would. i was. what i have. what i learned. that is TEN fucking paragraphs.
16:34 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 16:00 Framedragger: here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/
16:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485868 << phuctor is unchanged - Framedragger converted the ssh keys to pgp format.
16:35 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 20:30 jurov: fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427
16:35 mircea_popescu i hope he lives off belly button lint, because any sort of social order in which this fuck is not starving is ipso facto broken
16:35 jurov asciilifeform: so I ought to, too?
16:36 mircea_popescu someone needs to tell mcafee that buying $5 worth of articles on craigslist results in $0 worth of verbiage.
16:36 mircea_popescu jurov if you dun feel like it, give it a little and Framedragger will make his thing a thing.
16:36 mircea_popescu we'll need a convertor anyway, the problem of non-compliant rsa implementation isn't going to go away suddenyl.
16:37 jurov i already explained I have no problem to convert, just that it will balloon the data up
16:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in case you missed it, he converted all the keys, i loaded, and they are being fed in even now.
16:37 mircea_popescu well yeah.
16:37 asciilifeform all xx mil of them.
16:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is Framedragger 's set (servers) or jurov 's set (github, cliuents) ?
16:38 asciilifeform Framedragger's
16:38 mircea_popescu we're talking of the other one.
16:38 asciilifeform ah
16:38 mircea_popescu recall, jurov parsed all of github, produced a pile of keys and the convertor code
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16:39 asciilifeform ah yes
16:39 asciilifeform i see no reason not to do same thing as for Framedragger's
16:39 mircea_popescu anyway, normally i'd have just let you do the conversion locally, but since Framedragger is such an impetuous youth, we're moving fast for once :D
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16:40 jurov ok, i'll convert
16:40 mircea_popescu jurov is it practical to just "do the same thing as Framedragger " ?
16:40 mircea_popescu cool.
16:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485691 << this is a major win, you'll have to publish the thing.
16:41 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 15:23 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around
16:41 mircea_popescu don't clean it up TOO much first, either. cheese gotta have some cheese flavour.
16:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485721 << heh.
16:43 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 17:39 trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot
16:44 BingoBoingo Lying shitgnome caught in the act NOT talking about computers https://archive.is/xooJH
16:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485728 << it's a large project and generally not a ripe fruit yet, i don't think, but yes.
16:49 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:23 phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro
16:49 mircea_popescu the path to bitcoinfs intersects a tmsr-os/loper-os/whatever-we-end-up-calling-it-os, just...
16:49 mircea_popescu im not even sure it should be linux.
16:49 asciilifeform ^
16:50 mircea_popescu if it is linux, it probably is more like debian sarge or gentoo whatever from 2003 than anything visible in the wild. fuck, it probably should be more like ibm-dos really.
16:51 asciilifeform the interesting bit re dos is that it was felled precisely by the same hardware tower of babel which gave us a multi-MB linux turdkernel
16:52 asciilifeform you get two options, standardizing the iron, or abstracting over the babelade
16:52 asciilifeform tertium non datur.
16:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485741 << BingoBoingo keeps the bsd flame alive, and others maybe (mod6 ?) but... it's really a murky point yet.
16:52 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:33 Framedragger: re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc
16:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we have the power to standardize the iron, maybe, through the process of selection.
16:52 mircea_popescu exactly how natural evolution works.
16:52 asciilifeform selection is NOT enough.
16:53 asciilifeform you need something to select FROM.
16:53 mircea_popescu that something is called patience.
16:53 asciilifeform this is like waiting for ocean to dry out.
16:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485744 << this is an argument contra de maintainers, not necessarily contra de item. but still.
16:53 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago
16:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the ocean WILL dry out.
16:55 asciilifeform for so long as mass turdmarket is ~the~ driver of manufacture, there will be only the equivalent of 'winmodems' to choose from iron-wise.
16:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485755 <<< in fairness you ask / make very abstract questions / statements.
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16:55 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 Framedragger: these abstract rebuttals always confuse me
16:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform seems altogether improbable that as of today the turdmarket is the driver of anything.
16:56 asciilifeform it drives 100% of silicon.
16:56 mircea_popescu i have doubts, as an anthropologist i mean, that this was EVER actually the case. it seems altogether plausible that the ~idea~ of turdmarket driving things was perceived as "likely to occur" in general and perhaps circumstantially occuring in some spots, but the trends are separating not joining
16:56 asciilifeform and anything and everything else where you have to sell 10,000+ pieces to break even.
16:57 asciilifeform (more like 100,000 with modern processes)
16:57 mircea_popescu take modems. who buys them ? telcos. take say smartphones. who buys them ? corporations. literally, not just because they "issue" the drones one, but because they decide which is the "in" one to have.
16:58 mircea_popescu so the drones "make the decision" to "buy" one with "their" "money" aka corp scrip on loan from the corp.
16:58 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
16:58 asciilifeform but the shit tower doesn't need the drones to have 'free choice', in order to work
16:59 mircea_popescu but anyway, this is not terribly related. "whether it's a collie or a terrier it still bit me"
16:59 asciilifeform for so long as ~somebody~ buys those 100,000 - you can make the next batch.
16:59 asciilifeform whether it is kim jong up, to build statue of himself out of them, or apple - dun matter.
16:59 asciilifeform *un
16:59 mircea_popescu yeah but see, did pharoh buy one pyramid or 100`000 chunks of cut stone.
17:00 asciilifeform does it matter to the stonecutters?
17:00 mircea_popescu tbh i like kim jong up a lot better.
17:00 asciilifeform lel
17:00 mircea_popescu maybe he could be kim jong up from now on. and he could have a son and name him kim dong down
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17:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485787 << well, at least in theory this problem could be resolved by saying "we only do servers" at least at first.
17:23 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:42 asciilifeform: for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set.
17:23 asciilifeform not really.
17:24 asciilifeform (e.g., which NIC? and what's to guarantee that it will be available)
17:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485800 << that's unthinkable!
17:24 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 asciilifeform: i'm personally riding two dozen untanks.
17:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. i just meant the vidcard gnarl could maybe be excised in a politically defensible manner. historically it was ~60 to 70% of all the mess.
17:25 asciilifeform unfortunately that isn't remotely the end of it.
17:26 mircea_popescu myeah
17:28 asciilifeform likewise the intel and amd boobytrap cores dun go away when we close eyes.
17:28 asciilifeform and the number of rack servers you can lease without them is ~0.
17:28 mircea_popescu you can colocate anything you wish.
17:28 asciilifeform the whole pile of shit (yes, including arm) must burn.
17:28 mircea_popescu elbruses even :D
17:29 asciilifeform you can colocate cray. but go source in quantity.
17:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try and find one to burn!11
17:29 mircea_popescu myea
17:32 trinque asciilifeform: does ppc have the mysterymeat cores?
17:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485802 << "casa quantu stai e tirrinu quantu viri". it's a thing.
17:32 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richnes
17:34 asciilifeform trinque: ppc has a sole source. ergo ipso facto rubbish.
17:34 asciilifeform (the sole source is ibm)
17:35 asciilifeform recall the specificity-of-diddling threads.
17:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485814 << because the russians a) don't understand how the world works and b) are antijwzemitic.
17:35 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 18:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately.
17:35 * trinque will not fall back to abacus until tmsr-fpga exists
17:35 asciilifeform trinque: how each of us keeps his own 'patient' on life support, is his business
17:36 asciilifeform but fwiw i am against a canonical life support effort for crud that is long past expiration date.
17:36 phf i honestly though thestringpuller was just being tongue-in-cheek :o
17:36 asciilifeform witness mircea_popescu's reaction to gentoo, for instance
17:37 mircea_popescu yeah, discussion may well continue, but it does altogether not seem likely there's going to be a "chosen respirator"
17:37 asciilifeform aha.
17:37 * trinque nods
17:37 phf mircea_popescu: hmm, i'm not groking that "casa ..." thing
17:37 mircea_popescu phf "a house enough to sit in and land as far as your eye can see"
17:37 mircea_popescu ie, how to split real estate budget.
17:39 phf right, i mean i'm being dense as far as how that maps to the mini rant
17:42 mircea_popescu well, it seems to me to be a very apt summary of the type of pragmatism prevalent here. a sort of "keep horizon maximally open" flavour of pragmatism
17:43 mircea_popescu very different (in the sense of being opposite) to pragmatism as a current in anglosaxon thought. which is more like, "keep all doors and windows shut and only open something once you're sure there's nothing there".
17:44 phf aah, gotcha
17:45 mircea_popescu the false etymology to roman lat vir is particularly endearing.
17:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: phf does BSDbsdm too!!!
17:46 mircea_popescu ah right
17:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485818 << and maiden planned to hold thighs tightly closed in case of ravishment.
17:52 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 19:18 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s
17:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the way i read it, the anglo crews on ~100% of the gear at the time doubled as saboteurs.
17:54 asciilifeform and the hosts were somehow 'not to know this'
17:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485822 << the missile problem.
17:54 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 19:26 asciilifeform: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
17:55 asciilifeform waiwut
17:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, they "didn't know" which is how romania went from an agrarian economy in 1935 to the world's petroengineering superpwoer in 1965.
17:56 Bugpowder Pretty sweet feed of live fire aircraft drops in LA
17:56 Bugpowder http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/brush-fire-breaks-out-along-highway-39-above-azusa/
17:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lulziest thing is the VERY expensive "business jet" (embraer phenom) that was made by javascript engineers (won't work at all without gps signal).
17:58 mircea_popescu oh wait this is in the logs. darn.
18:04 mircea_popescu Bugpowder 15 acres not such a big deal, considering what california scrub can provide neh ?
18:04 Bugpowder 1200 acres
18:05 Bugpowder was 15 acres 2 hours ago.
18:05 mircea_popescu wind huh.
18:05 Bugpowder Not sure about streaming to to wherever you are, but the HD video is pretty amazing.
18:06 mircea_popescu i dun do much video anyway.
18:08 Bugpowder http://imgur.com/xm3JzO6
18:09 mircea_popescu in other lulz, romanian redditards found out that mp was also born there, think that "hey, wtf, i don;'t think it can be him. if it were he would be starting a revolution"
18:09 mircea_popescu logic, sometimes.
18:16 mircea_popescu Bugpowder this is bad for fiatcoin.
18:21 Bugpowder Wind blowing it up mountains not down tho so OK for now…
18:26 Bugpowder Hmm… Now 4 fires started in the last 3 hours in LA… Arson?
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19:13 BingoBoingo Mebbe some ISIS kid in California decided if he went firebug he could get a higher score than if he went an hero?
19:14 BingoBoingo Or mebbe weather is just right for cigarette butts to light the brush today?
19:14 BingoBoingo These are the mysteries of the Los Angeles desert
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19:31 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
19:31 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 734.99, vol: 7842.37344265 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 705.761, vol: 6088.93784 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 690.0, vol: 2.00894355 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 749.31896, vol: 41353.25440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 738.36, vol: 3882.46001864 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.216230316
19:32 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
19:32 gribble Current Blocks: 417271 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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19:48 BingoBoingo $up Monkey14
19:48 deedbot Monkey14 voiced for 30 minutes.
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20:13 BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/6PJKX6.jpg
20:18 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4p0314/did_bruno_mars_know_about_the_dao_hack_years/
20:21 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/VbL
20:21 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:22 BingoBoingo ty
20:28 shinohai Supposedly this is supposed to be "mermaid parade" looks more "whale pride parade" https://sli.mg/WgVNER
20:33 shinohai gah
20:34 mircea_popescu in fairness marine creatures are supposed to be portly.
20:35 mircea_popescu you want waifs go to the will-o-wisp parade.
20:36 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/4msmh7/gps_interference_notam_for_southwest_us/d3y63li << lulz re earlier thread
20:36 shinohai "portly" meaning "wide as port side"?
20:37 mircea_popescu dutch roll ? 3-4 times ? god bless embraer.
20:37 asciilifeform and no glonass fallback.
20:37 asciilifeform 'because would need a second signed letter from hitler'
20:37 mircea_popescu shinohai meaning capable of carrying a mule's load.
20:37 BingoBoingo shinohai: substantial links added, but published
20:37 asciilifeform this is a, what, 10, 20 mil, machine ?
20:38 mircea_popescu in the sense a luxury car is "100k" or a cellphone "1500". yeah, right, read the maintenance contracts.
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20:38 asciilifeform well yes.
20:38 mircea_popescu it's a "have a hundred slaves" machine.
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20:39 asciilifeform like any other airplane.
20:39 deedbot [Qntra] Garza, Stuart Fraser of Cantor Fitzgerald, and GAW Face Class Action Suit In US Court - http://qntra.net/2016/06/garza-stuart-fraser-of-cantor-fitzgerald-and-gaw-face-class-action-suit-in-us-court/
20:39 asciilifeform (we had this thread re jet fighters)
20:39 mircea_popescu well no, cessna is "have a retarded butler and an old maid" sort of machine
20:39 mircea_popescu shinohai BingoBoingo win.
20:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Editing I forgot an addition necessary
20:40 mircea_popescu iirc it was mentioned in logs mr fraser won't be able to disentangle himself last year
20:40 shinohai >.>
20:43 BingoBoingo Updated with gloating dialed up to 11 http://qntra.net/2016/06/garza-stuart-fraser-of-cantor-fitzgerald-and-gaw-face-class-action-suit-in-us-court/
20:44 mircea_popescu why "anno domini" ?
20:44 BingoBoingo Because 2014 was the year of our lord cazalla
20:45 mircea_popescu lolk.
20:46 BingoBoingo And GAW was the story that cazalla used to hammer Qntra into being a thing that made our asperzoring competitors feel shame
20:46 mircea_popescu this is true yeah
20:46 mircea_popescu he hounded that shit like a champ
20:48 BingoBoingo Cazalla's trolling was Qntra's original and most important SEO campaign
20:50 mircea_popescu it's only trolling if you're not backed by the righteous word of teh lord.
20:51 BingoBoingo No, not trolling in that sense. Trolling as in fishing, as in doing the actual work of SEO.
20:51 BingoBoingo Working the longlines and seeing what bites.
20:52 BingoBoingo Much booze was had in these discussions of actual internet marketing and SEO.
20:53 mircea_popescu is that good for qnt-ra ?
20:56 BingoBoingo Sure. The greatest accomplishment of early Qntra was doing lots while making it look like we weren't doing anything at all. Everything from the site's theme to the tone of that first indictment against GAW was done with this in mind.
20:59 BingoBoingo Without calling GAW jizz moppers in October 2014 who would think to take Qntra seriously on...
20:59 BingoBoingo $google hard fork crisis
21:00 BingoBoingo ...
21:00 deedbot http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra | http://www.ofnumbers.com/2015/02/06/what-is-the-blockchain-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << What is the blockchain hard fork “missile crisis?” | Great Wall of ... | https://medium.com/@bramcohen/bitcoin-s-ironic-crisis-32226a85e39f << Bitcoin's Ironic Crisis — Medium
21:03 BingoBoingo In other news http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059
21:04 BingoBoingo "A 34-year-old woman seduces a 15-year-old boy and becomes pregnant. She gives birth to a daughter and thereafter applies for Aid to Families with Dependent Children. Is the child's father obligated to pay child support even though he is a victim of statutory rape? (Pen. Code, ? 261.5, subd. (d).) We conclude he is liable for child support."
21:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: famous case
21:04 BingoBoingo aha
21:04 asciilifeform dan moscny mentioned it
21:04 asciilifeform *mocsny
21:04 mircea_popescu there's ~no way for slave to avoid slavetax. that's the point of having a) slave and b) slavetax.
21:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i found it especially entertaining how reddit folk (at least used to) believe the 'if only male birth control pill' thing would make any difference (if such thing existed, 'paternity' would simply get redefined, french style, to accomodate cuckoldry)
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21:13 asciilifeform and for all i know this is already in the works, in anglo world
21:13 mircea_popescu i'd expect so.
21:14 mircea_popescu and "marriage" means "living toghether" already anyway, which can mean anything the fuck anyone pleases anyway, so...
21:14 asciilifeform because the other thing about being a slave is that it doesn't come with any guarantee of slavin' by yesterday's rules
21:14 asciilifeform master can set new rules.
21:14 mircea_popescu ftr : communist romania had "bachelor tax".
21:14 asciilifeform usa also has
21:14 asciilifeform it just gets rolled into tax
21:14 mircea_popescu no but that was explicit, paycheck withholding.
21:15 mircea_popescu the cucks bruhaha'd lots and lots an' did nothing about it.
21:17 asciilifeform taxation was not a serious problem in su
21:17 asciilifeform (just like it wasn't for black slaves in american south)
21:17 mircea_popescu money was meaningless throughout the socialist empire, sure.
21:17 asciilifeform aha.
21:17 mircea_popescu but it irked people. you know the poem ?
21:17 asciilifeform which
21:18 mircea_popescu "subsemnatul ion caciula, om al muncii fara pula : de ce sa platesc tribut, daca eu nu pot sa fut ?"
21:18 mircea_popescu "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
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21:19 mircea_popescu (undersigned john hat, workman without a dick : why should i pay the tax when i can't fuck ? warmly esteemed mr john hat, workman without a tool : while you've got your fingers & tongue the law stands.)
21:19 asciilifeform l0l!
21:24 mircea_popescu http://infocoin.net/2016/06/20/autor-del-ataque-del-dao-declara-que-sus-acciones-son-legales/
21:24 mircea_popescu mostly quoted for the epic lulz of "bufete de abogados". which yes, it's how the spanishtards say law firm.
21:24 * asciilifeform falls down
21:24 mircea_popescu imagine the lawyers laid out swedish style.
21:25 mircea_popescu on toothpick stakes, with cheese and pineapple.
21:25 asciilifeform delish.
21:26 mircea_popescu maybe the next sandback da could be named lish somethingortheotherheyinindiaournamesneverend
21:26 mircea_popescu then it could be da lish
21:37 mircea_popescu $s pdaian
21:37 a111 1 results for "pdaian", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pdaian
21:37 mircea_popescu https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/ << the guy has correctly identified ~a~ 2nd vulnerability there.
21:38 mod6 dear load that chinese food was rancid
21:38 mircea_popescu "Solidity" is one of the most aptly named piles of rubbish for purposes of unintentional irony self-crits
21:38 mod6 *lord
21:38 mod6 How goes it?
21:39 mircea_popescu not bad mod6
21:39 mircea_popescu duck empanadas were so-so
21:39 mod6 that sounds /way/ better, Sir.
21:41 mod6 <+asciilifeform> 'you have died of death' << lol
21:43 mod6 this eth implosion has kept the lulztrain running
21:48 mod6 Framedragger: hey, thanks for all your work with the SSH keys.
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22:06 deedbot [Qntra] China Solidifies Presence In Airstrip Two's Media - http://qntra.net/2016/06/china-solidifies-presence-in-airstrip-twos-media/
22:11 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo negotiated a deal
22:20 BingoBoingo ty, fxd
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23:51 thestringpuller when is the dao attacker gonna cause more drama. today has been boooring.
23:51 thestringpuller start bribing miners already.
23:55 phf trinque: ping
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