#trilema | 2015-12-13

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https://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/#c5409 heh.

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BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.97 B (11%) on Yes, 38.3 B (89%) on No | closing in 3 days 18 hours | weight: 1`109 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6qgZZ )

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https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWBpWv4U4AA3g1p.mp4 the drone catcher

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... ( http://bit.ly/1jVZmRL )

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https://twitter.com/Satoshi_N_/status/675834735327883264

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"Together, we've shown what's possible when the world stands as one," he said. << doom. the only thing possible when the bureaucrats unite is doom.

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http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html

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[BTC-dev] Regarding Transaction Signatures ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6slVY )

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mircea_popescu cheers.

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:]

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ty for news, brb upwriting

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thanks for writing

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deedbot-

[Qntra] Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chairs Issue Statement On Signatures In Blockchain - http://qntra.net/2015/12/bitcoin-foundation-co-chairs-issue-statement-on-signatures-in-blockchain/

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"i'd give you a life expectancy of an extra 72 hours" >> https://archive.is/7rXTw

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Combination of Anabolic Steroids, Amphetamines, Benzos, and PCP. Perfect combo for bodybuilding and euphoria or asking for a death sentence? : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL6Wwn )

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sweet dreams, asciilifeform: https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/

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OpenAI ... ( http://bit.ly/1TIQX0i )

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BingoBoingo: 'that actual Bitcoin clients can the entire blockchain including transaction signatures during initial sync' ???

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--> 'can verify the'

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fck

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fxd

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ben_vulpes: snore

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'Sam, Greg, Elon, Reid Hoffman, Jessica Livingston, Peter Thiel, Amazon Web Services (AWS), Infosys, and YC Research are donating to support OpenAI. In total, these funders have committed $1 billion, although we expect to only spend a tiny fraction of this in the next few years.' << lulzy

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deedbot-

[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.95260000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin block reward halving on or before 20 July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1182/bitcoin-block-reward-halving-on-or-before-20/#b8

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how many russia did they buy yet.

01:40

'We believe AI should be an extension of individual human wills and, in the spirit of liberty, as broadly and evenly distributed as is possible safely.' << interesting turn of phrase

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l0ltr0nic.

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asciilifeform again sees '7.95260000' and thinks 'not bad...' then remembers it isn't a bits'o'entropy/bt figure

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almost pavlovian reflex.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342233 << give that poor bony fella his preorder moneyz back.

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Logged on 13-12-2015 05:03:14; mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/#c5409 heh.

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lol

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342223 << at last, proper pr0n

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Logged on 13-12-2015 04:55:21; mircea_popescu: in more interesting news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/40bf9abd7b27c0bf70608040fb7e0c25/tumblr_mvdplrPEVx1qdxglyo1_400.gif

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just when i began to think that mircea_popescu doesn't even go in for that sort

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one day i would like to read a cookbook published by mircea_popescu. which will show the foods not only as they are on the table, but as they are in the stomach, small intestine, large, and onward...

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imho this is not any less or more appealing than pr0n with cockz in it. but to each, his own...

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342238 << this has all of the hallmarks of a first-class rigged demo absurdity

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Logged on 13-12-2015 05:23:44; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWBpWv4U4AA3g1p.mp4 the drone catcher

01:48

(why would the smaller machine fall into the net dragged by the larger - slower - one ?)

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asciilifeform to avoid dying of laughter, takes a break.

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asciilifeform bbl.

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Awe, caught http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-charged-in-firing-upon-highway-patrol-officer/article_67e06004-6ae8-5975-a9c0-1539a6fa8049.html

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Two charged in firing upon Highway Patrol officer : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL8eHD )

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http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/

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Woodland rejects solar farm | The Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1IME1Gr )

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"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not happen and would keep the plants from growing."

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"She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t cause cancer."

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punkman: win

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Apparently this is the LSD that pairs with Jim Crow https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0112.mediawiki

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bips/bip-0112.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0hbKM )

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Yet more OP_HODL types

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https://archive.is/7rXTw << typical 15yo doing the typical 15yo thing : put two-three stories together in a new combo, passes them off as "real" to adults to see what they say.

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Combination of Anabolic Steroids, Amphetamines, Benzos, and PCP. Perfect combo for bodybuilding and euphoria or asking for a death sentence? : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL6Wwn )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342262 << this very strange stupid number games thing. "they've commited a billion they'd never pay and i'll do things i'm never actually doing". мы делаем вид что работаем а государство делает вид что платит нам зарплату for the new soviet generation.

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Logged on 13-12-2015 06:39:45; asciilifeform: 'Sam, Greg, Elon, Reid Hoffman, Jessica Livingston, Peter Thiel, Amazon Web Services (AWS), Infosys, and YC Research are donating to support OpenAI. In total, these funders have committed $1 billion, although we expect to only spend a tiny fraction of this in the next few years.' << lulzy

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342265 << what "individual fucking wills" ?

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Logged on 13-12-2015 06:40:55; asciilifeform: 'We believe AI should be an extension of individual human wills and, in the spirit of liberty, as broadly and evenly distributed as is possible safely.' << interesting turn of phrase

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88435 @ 0.00050306 = 44.4881 BTC [+] {2}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342275 << your wish was granted, of course. years ago, of course. on trilema, bien sur. http://trilema.com/2012/sa-facem-un-test/

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Logged on 13-12-2015 06:46:40; asciilifeform: one day i would like to read a cookbook published by mircea_popescu. which will show the foods not only as they are on the table, but as they are in the stomach, small intestine, large, and onward...

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Sa facem un test on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lY02HG )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342279 << and yet "nsa spies everything"

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Logged on 13-12-2015 06:48:43; asciilifeform: (why would the smaller machine fall into the net dragged by the larger - slower - one ?)

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they just never could have predicted. anything.

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but hey, don't look at the paris attack and say "lol, i guess we can dismantle all us secret services". say something else! anything else! how about "o noers, should be giving the slow, inept macfhine more $$$!"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342286 << imagine the ten thousand kids she "taught" "science"

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Logged on 13-12-2015 07:28:56; punkman: "She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not happen and would keep the plants from growing."

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!s btcdrak

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150 results for 'btcdrak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcdrak

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;;rated btcdrak

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You have not yet rated user btcdrak

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225600 @ 0.00050346 = 113.5806 BTC [+] {4}

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!rate btcdrak -1 it's one thing to have opinions. it's another to misrepresent yourself. next time you want to discuss the stupid shit you do, start with linking https://archive.is/760r4 rather than silently pretending you're not an idiot.

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Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7096629248af140f

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bips/bip-0112.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1lY1ycT )

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!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.btcdrak.-1:3b1794d51d794b8eb613810c31577043169905c1c574df92747f302f9d11afab

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Successfully updated the rating for btcdrak from 1 to -1 with note: it's one thing to have opinions. it's another to misrepresent yourself. next time you want to discuss the stupid shit you do, start with linking https://archive.is/760r4 rather than silently pretending you're not an idiot.

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and seriously, see the part where the mp of this space says "This can not be emphasized enough : you can not be building any type of business on any sort of Gavinism, because they will not survive on the middle term. It's not just the Bitcoins, that you would have lost had I not murdered "XT". Everything - every hour you spend "developing" atop the crud USG agents try to stick in Bitcoin is a wasted hour, because the s

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tuff you build upon has the consistency of smoke and the life expectancy of... well, I was going to say ephemerides, but I guess we could just as well say Pieter Wuille.", because what mp says goes.

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and as the de-turdification process continue, expect more and more of these "highly principled" shitheads crawling out of the woodwork. because this is what ethics means to the present crop of retarded kids, it's just a word, and it ain't got jack shit to do with what one does. just as long as the pharisee does his ablutions right all's good.

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funny thing, apropos : pharisees used to be a nation. you know, like the ustards used to be a nation. today they only thing they're remembered for is their manner of living, they're a byword for hypocrisy and a delusional magical belief in empty ritual and naming things.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00049275 = 39.962 BTC [-] {2}

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and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/2a2a7a1318260e58231613c5ab9f00de/tumblr_mmmp2cj9bC1s4e6uzo1_500.gif

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... ( http://bit.ly/1P0cMtc )

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aaand alf's shoe store. with pumps. http://36.media.tumblr.com/57266f0d42c32f71d1313339e21a47f7/tumblr_n1k5sh2qAg1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1lY6rTp )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342296 <<< see also >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920116

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Logged on 13-12-2015 08:42:51; BingoBoingo: Apparently this is the LSD that pairs with Jim Crow https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0112.mediawiki

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Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342321 << quite.

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Logged on 13-12-2015 13:12:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342275 << your wish was granted, of course. years ago, of course. on trilema, bien sur. http://trilema.com/2012/sa-facem-un-test/

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342324 << we already know that nsa doesn't spy, in the usual sense. usg prefers sabotage.

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Logged on 13-12-2015 13:20:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342279 << and yet "nsa spies everything"

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so that victim 'spies' on himself.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342327 << you mean the attack by the arab auxiliary arm of usg on the idiot euro auxiliary arm of usg ?

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Logged on 13-12-2015 13:21:05; mircea_popescu: but hey, don't look at the paris attack and say "lol, i guess we can dismantle all us secret services". say something else! anything else! how about "o noers, should be giving the slow, inept macfhine more $$$!"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342329 << makes EXACTLY the same amount of sense as the 'oh noez gmo!111' thing.

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Logged on 13-12-2015 13:21:57; assbot: Logged on 13-12-2015 07:28:56; punkman: "She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not happen and would keep the plants from growing."

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342348 << i must be the only fella alive who doesn't care a whit for the 'sexy shoe' thing

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Logged on 13-12-2015 13:58:53; mircea_popescu: aaand alf's shoe store. with pumps. http://36.media.tumblr.com/57266f0d42c32f71d1313339e21a47f7/tumblr_n1k5sh2qAg1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342316 << this describes virtually the whole 'office chair' half of usa !

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Logged on 13-12-2015 13:06:20; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342262 << this very strange stupid number games thing. "they've commited a billion they'd never pay and i'll do things i'm never actually doing". мы делаем вид что работаем а государство делает вид что платит нам зарплату for the new soviet generation.

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http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-116042 << this shit's just too great.

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Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqzHJu )

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anyone wanna join the illuminatarians ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52971 @ 0.0004969 = 26.3213 BTC [-] {2}

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"rapper, BUSINESSMAN OR WOMAN, musical, sport, politician" << oddly, hacker's been omitted.

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in other news, successful talented businessman or woman rapper sport musical politician illustrated : http://45.media.tumblr.com/f97d70e2546f16755d1938224bbd6aa9/tumblr_mwka8svL5k1t0c5aso8_250.gif

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... ( http://bit.ly/1Y7nMun )

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asciilifeform dawg get the hell out with this "everything is an arm of the meta-hittite empire"

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mircea_popescu: what next, mujahedeen in afghan were not amerimuppets ?

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exactly.

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the fallacy here is that you wish to attribute action to "ownership" because this is a fundamental pillar of your otherwise broken "action is not the measure of phenomena". if only it were possible that the mujahedeen were "a puppet" then so many things you wish to be true would also perhaps be attainable.

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muppet

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nevertheless, in afghanistan the only NOT puppets were the afghanis.

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not puppet

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important diff

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ru and su were the actual puppets in this discussion.

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and im not sure what the diff between m and p is here.

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muppet can put on a good show of, e.g., biting the puppetteer

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but, to be perfectly clear, the man who goes to work hard so he can buy a diamond ring so he can "muppet" a woman into staying put for sex is not some sort of mastermind.

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he's some sort of muppet.

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this - yes

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this is the relationship of actual active tribes with soi-dissant empires.

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the empire goes to get them diamond rings.

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and i would know, because this is what romania's been doing for about a millenium.

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course, not the same as greece's two, but nevertheless.

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let's say usg had not supplied the goat fuckers with modern rockets, infinite ammo, food, etc. then what, precisely, would've distinguished them from the red indians ?

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(who were also quite the set of 'active tribes')

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or zulu, et al

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that red indians wanted to sit around and smoke peace pipe, whereby these guys wanted to rape your wife.

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heck, zulu are raping your wife as we speak.

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iirc the peace pipe folks went to meet quetzalcoatl first. followed by the rape-the-wife ones.

11:56

sure, back then white didn't yet mean castrated.

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or to bring the captive mouse back into all of this, whether it succeeds or not at chewing its way through plain steel and glass, and whether it has any chance at succeeding or not aren't considerations. it simply lacks any capacity of being my puppet, and for this reason it can't be, and that's that.

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it's, as the polite expression goes, "uncivilised".

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or rather, undomesticated.

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brick is even better 'undomesticated', then! as there have been trained mice, but never brick.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170100 @ 0.00049729 = 84.589 BTC [+] {4}

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quite.

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and it's a miserable state of affairs, when i say argentines are too dumb to live i mean exactly this :

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they're drastically incapable of making themselves useful.

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but at least not domesticated ?

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myeah.

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what else is the job of human industry since forever, but to separate the wires.

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and so... we industriously retrain their youth. it's slow and unrewarding, but then again what else is the human condition, idem since forever.

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note how this also happens to be exactly the male expectations of females, generally. "she should be pliable to no one but me", which then gets repackaged in weird things like madonna/whore compelx by sick societies, which is how "slut" works : to indicate that she's exactly the antiwoman (ie, pliable to all but me) and so on and so forth.

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this is why dudes hang out with bitches (hey, she might not be pliable to me, but she sure as fuck ain't pliable to anyone else - so that's 50%. spreading, works.)

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everybody wants an everything 'pliable to no one but me.' 'i want a meat edible to me but not flies.' 'grain for me but not mice.' 'unix box for me but not usg.' etc

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that's pretty much what being alive means

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this is why anal sex being painful to teh woman is actually THE REASON it's practiced and so on

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(e.g., why does cell have membrane? 'for meeeee!!!11')

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asciilifeform quite exactly.

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fractal reality, it really doesn't have that many tropes.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342422 << this goes way back, to legends of 'and he had a sword that no other bloke could even motherfucknig LIFT!11111' etc

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Logged on 13-12-2015 17:04:29; mircea_popescu: this is why dudes hang out with bitches (hey, she might not be pliable to me, but she sure as fuck ain't pliable to anyone else - so that's 50%. spreading, works.)

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quite.

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on a not-unrelated note, i neglected the grounds for so long that an OAK actually grew INTO my front gate.

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getting to be a bother.

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asciilifeform off to chop

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dun forget the salt.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6037 @ 0.0004969 = 2.9998 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 334960 @ 0.00049305 = 165.152 BTC [-] {11}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 370100 @ 0.00049087 = 181.671 BTC [-] {6}

12:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43215 @ 0.00049041 = 21.1931 BTC [-] {2}

12:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138200 @ 0.00048984 = 67.6959 BTC [-] {4}

12:39

and in other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbzxf95zkP1qza6yso1_500.gif

12:39

... ( http://bit.ly/1RiOJab )

12:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00049064 = 24.164 BTC [+] {2}

12:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 372078 @ 0.00048749 = 181.3843 BTC [-] {4}

13:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133477 @ 0.00048902 = 65.2729 BTC [+] {2}

~ 17 minutes ~

13:28

asciilifeform: [...] << makes EXACTLY the same amount of sense as the 'oh noez gmo!111' thing. << dunno, I'd rather not eat DowDuPont for breakfast

13:30

not yet at least, not really opposed to gmo food in principle

~ 17 minutes ~

13:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37669 @ 0.00049064 = 18.4819 BTC [+] {2}

13:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44935 @ 0.00049151 = 22.086 BTC [+] {3}

14:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109550 @ 0.00049273 = 53.9786 BTC [+] {4}

14:08

so there's a Mr Sleeve in the neighborhood, and apparently he makes shirts

14:14

http://onetruebee.tumblr.com/post/73820731136/ftm-slave-rubberonmyducky-this-out-of << lulziest shit i saw all day

14:14

Fannishness and stuff. | ftm-slave: rubberonmyducky: This. Out of... ... ( http://bit.ly/1RM02Hn )

14:14

"i hope nobody mistakes us for a straight couple"

14:23

it's only bad if you "hope nobody thinks I'm gay"

14:24

a right, forgot.

14:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00049547 = 9.6617 BTC [+]

14:26

"In fact, I was (and am) a GOLD STAR GAY ie a gay man who's never had sex with a woman" except all these persons with vaginas

14:28

the notion that teenager kid that beat up some fatty in his class needs therapy, but this nutjob with sirens and perimeter fence does not strikes me as outright self-parodic.

14:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwDhgwQkXU

14:31

R&D VIDEO: 5515 STONE ISLAND ICE JACKET AW'011'012 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RM1d9z )

14:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00049547 = 34.9059 BTC [+]

14:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00049508 = 20.1993 BTC [-]

14:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 351850 @ 0.00048585 = 170.9463 BTC [-] {6}

~ 34 minutes ~

15:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192050 @ 0.00049331 = 94.7402 BTC [+] {6}

15:37

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-12-2015#1339846 << http://dpaste.com/3FCFGJT#wrap

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 287600 @ 0.00048435 = 139.2991 BTC [-] {5}

15:50

gabrielradio

15:50

Logged on 09-12-2015 21:44:18; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/vladimir-oane-iz-meleonare/#selection-81.0-85.15 << if gabriel radio feels like translating ancient pieces on "venture capital" a la roumaine.

15:50

dpaste: 3FCFGJT: Trilema - Vladimir Oane iz Meleonare!!!, by gabrielradio ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJK6ne )

15:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71050 @ 0.00048399 = 34.3875 BTC [-]

~ 32 minutes ~

16:24

http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/22/hootsuite-buys-ubervu-to-add-analytics-to-its-enterprise-social-media-management-platform/ << apparently they ended up in a 2nd line acquihire last year

16:25

HootSuite Buys UberVU To Expand Analytics On Its Social Media Management Platform | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SW4YYt )

16:25

who the fuck gets acquihired by "hootsuite"

16:35

BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/2PSYKB5 first qntra submission, let me know what you think.

16:35

http://oglaf.com/bachelorprince/

dpaste: 2PSYKB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2aVCD )

16:40

*

BingoBoingo guesses he will have to do another draft of the Qntra style guide, "Bitcoin" gets capitalized.

16:43

oglafbot

16:43

The Bachelor Prince ... ( http://bit.ly/1SW6fPa )

16:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59050 @ 0.0004842 = 28.592 BTC [+]

16:48

Oh whaack you actually sat in?

16:50

BingoBoingo: yes

16:51

cool, just got some light touches of editing so make sure to read it.

16:52

deedbot-

[Qntra] The MIT Administration Infiltrates Bitcoin Projects - http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-mit-administration-infiltrates-bitcoin-projects/

16:55

BingoBoingo: looks great, thanks

16:55

You're welcome. Thank you for submitting.

17:01

BingoBoingo: At the time, this amounted to approximately .290 Bitcoins per student. With roughly 4,500 undergraduates, this was MIT's way of showing that they were in a position to easily let go of about 1,300 Bitcoins at the time. << I think the double "at the time" reads weird, but not too big a deal.

17:02

fxd

17:02

changed the second one to "then"

17:05

cool

17:11

whaack: get buschel in here?

17:12

http://www.newmanboston.org/RelId/806683/ISvars/default/IB_Economics_Students_Meet_with_MIT_Bitcoin_Club_President.htm << ahahahaha

17:12

The Newman School -> IB Economics Students Meet with MIT Bitcoin Club President ... ( http://bit.ly/220hgVK )

17:14

*

ben_vulpes still chuckling

17:16

ben_vulpes: Sure I'll try.

17:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132450 @ 0.0004842 = 64.1323 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

17:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.000484 = 69.212 BTC [-] {4}

17:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133181 @ 0.00048332 = 64.369 BTC [-] {2}

17:48

Bingoboingo you mean bi-tcion ?

17:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129300 @ 0.00048284 = 62.4312 BTC [-] {3}

17:58

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342473 << heh. that's the thing i use to manage my eulorian accounts. The stupid thing mangles my urls to chatlogs, I learned yesterday. Adds a '?' after a '#'

17:58

Logged on 13-12-2015 21:25:08; mircea_popescu: who the fuck gets acquihired by "hootsuite"

17:58

heh

18:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56754 @ 0.00048436 = 27.4894 BTC [+]

18:05

;;later tell Bingoboingo 'The make a specify point of emphasizing' << ??!

18:05

The operation succeeded.

18:07

'3 30-minute student-led presentations (in pairs) on Ethereum, Stellar Consensus, Stellar ... Proof-of-existence (IP, contracts, etc ...); MIT Certificates' << ahahaha l0ltr0n1c

18:07

wasn't 'stellar' some idiocy last seen in the defunct dead tree 'bitcoin magazine' ?

18:08

from their required reading: 'Why is Bitcoin forking' (mike hearn)

18:08

;;later tell pete_dushenski are you taking this "no infants sleeping on their bellies" thing seriously?

18:08

The operation succeeded.

18:09

*

asciilifeform did not actually know how far gone the mit thing were

18:09

the whole SIDS thing reeks of idiopathic "we don't know what's going on but here try these things so that you feel in control"

18:10

ben_vulpes: there's always hrdy's hypothesis.

18:10

but don't expect to hear that one from the quacks

18:11

asciilifeform: well yes, that was the nucleating input

18:12

i'm also expecting he-who-knows-all-about-raising-children-without-ever-having-had-any to chime in

18:12

asciilifeform: ever get company-mode working?

18:13

omfg.

18:13

ben_vulpes: got as far as actually building the llvm toolchain on one box

18:13

after that, went back to actual wurk and haven't really stopped for long enough to try any more

18:14

*

ben_vulpes had to beat emacs into supporting ruby this week, company-mode served well

18:15

ben_vulpes: c/cpp don't come with a handy repl

18:15

hence the difficulty.

18:15

(repl langs are more or less trivial to emacsize)

18:16

also it is mid-december and 23C here.

18:16

mircea_popescu: wut!?

18:18

*

asciilifeform has yet to encounter a reason to keep ruby installed anywhere

18:19

the one time i tried to use it, it reminded me unpleasantly of dylan

18:20

(and other, even more deservedly-obscure attempts at infixization of 'scheme')

18:20

asciilifeform has yet to march in an army so hungry it's drawing lots for the pots apparently

18:21

what's hunger to do with the use of strange puzzle langs ?

18:21

or is ruby a 'salt mine lang' now

18:22

and ben_vulpes & co. are drawing lots for the pots now ?!

18:22

did i miss something..?

18:22

the latter, and has been for many years.

18:22

well no thats why you eat the mats when you find them

18:22

er

18:22

rats

18:22

l0l

18:22

;;seen mats

18:22

mats was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <mats> rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know

18:22

now where'd he go.

18:23

*

asciilifeform ventures to guess that mats finally got that long-coveted job at his local kitten recycling plant.

18:23

laird pete_dushenski chased him off with the +1 blog of intimidation

18:25

class Base < Metal

18:26

'clever' fucking developers and their miserable abstraction naming schemes

18:27

http://www.scots-titles.com/fake-lairds-lords/scots-lairds-and-lairdship-sellers-scams << lulzy and not entirely unrelated

18:27

Fake Lairdship Sellers' Scams | Fake Scots Titles ... ( http://bit.ly/1miV1Kg )

18:27

^ i recall the ads in 'scientific american' re: same. anybody ?

18:27

interestingly, there does not appear to be ANY record of them having existed, on the whole net.

18:27

shinohai

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2015#1342541 <<< /me wonders what happened to mats as well.

18:27

Logged on 13-12-2015 23:22:38; gribble: mats was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <mats> rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know

18:36

from the lulzy old b00k of the day/week/epoch club: 'The Art of Executive Protection' ( R.L. Oatman & Associates, Inc.)

18:37

it would be quite interesting to read a version of this book with the sign bit flipped

18:37

e.g. 'the art of executive elimination'

18:38

but somehow it is difficult to imagine this appearing in a dusty secondhand b00k sh0p near you.

18:39

oatman's business card fell out when i opened the thing. which is a new sp4mz0r record in my personal memory.

18:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 338400 @ 0.00048292 = 163.4201 BTC [-] {6}

18:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200370 @ 0.00048998 = 98.1773 BTC [+] {3}

~ 15 minutes ~

19:09

wyrdmantis, you wanna do some work for me?

19:14

!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.wyrdmantis.1:bebe7a3b61906a116b9857974849dc3fd8eaa05c66e4a00c846ea6259256873a

19:14

Successfully added a rating of 1 for wyrdmantis with note: fellow Eulorian; built some claims for me

19:19

!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.2:dba3da3839fc0052905b86c13e166d8e514e01060515d64ae807a64bbfd5f948

19:19

Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 1 to 2 with note: fellow Eulorian; gatherer of groceries, and builder of bots

19:21

!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mod6.3:d1c206a1729acdefd25b4029459ab6a63b1b97e5e668f64756a6685d396cbe97

19:21

Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 2 to 3 with note: fellow Eulorian; did some crafting for me

19:23

fxd

19:24

* asciilifeform did not actually know how far gone the mit thing were << Kinda why Qntra research requires not just wallowing with the eagles, but wallowing with pigs as well

19:26

"MIT's hostile actions towards Bitcoin doesn't by any means stop there" << ungrammar

19:26

!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.birdman.5:2669f7065e4491723bc9a9bb0ab68fc6848f175ccbe7ecebc44ea47f7a0779f4

19:26

Successfully updated the rating for birdman from 3 to 5 with note: many years in my meat-wot; fellow Eulorian; greatest gatherer

19:28

One of these days Qntra is going to have to find an editor which can Engligh.

19:30

fir srs

19:30

anyway, not bad whack

19:31

brb

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19:55

*

asciilifeform can inglisch but has very full handz presently

19:58

mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-mit-administration-infiltrates-bitcoin-projects/#comment-82629

19:58

The MIT Administration Infiltrates Bitcoin Projects | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nrdv1X )

20:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00047986 = 33.9261 BTC [-] {3}

20:07

aaaanswert

20:07

aaha yes

20:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00048337 = 14.7428 BTC [+] {2}

20:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61539 @ 0.00048 = 29.5387 BTC [-] {2}

20:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12432 @ 0.0004773 = 5.9338 BTC [-] {4}

20:26

;;later tell jurov http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4795/C-Standard-Allocator-An-Introduction-and-Implement << possibly relevant to the mega-pr0bl3m

20:26

The operation succeeded.

20:26

^ and for anyone else with an interest in mega-pr0bl3m

20:26

(fragging in trb)

20:27

20:27

The Standard Librarian: What Are Allocators Good For? | Dr Dobb's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y8vgNL )

20:29

thx for posting

20:33

http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/improving-performance-with-custom-pool-a/184406243 << see also, from same.

20:33

Improving Performance with Custom Pool Allocators for STL | Dr Dobb's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y8vPr4 )

20:33

^ more to the point

20:35

http://www.josuttis.com/cppcode/allocator.html << src from the b00k where i even saw this

20:35

User-Defined Allocator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y8w4Cv )

20:36

one of you folks is gonna have to do this, y'know !!

~ 23 minutes ~

21:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00048337 = 7.6856 BTC [+] {2}

21:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00048581 = 31.189 BTC [+] {3}

~ 26 minutes ~

21:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104668 @ 0.00048786 = 51.0633 BTC [+] {3}

21:37

so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/

21:37

The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PUEQz6 )

21:38

and I came up with http://btcscoop.com/steg/

21:38

Index of /steg ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOFrk0 )

21:39

it would be nice if someone familliar with python could take a look at it?

21:39

and tell me how horrible it is?

21:40

https://i.sli.mg/dNW0CJ.jpg

21:40

... ( http://bit.ly/1YdPWyC )

21:51

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7022

21:51

Change default block priority size to 0 by morcos · Pull Request #7022 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOGr7w )

21:52

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/11/a-surprising-number-of-americans-endorse-violence-against-the-government-heres-why << mega-l0l

21:52

A surprising number of Americans endorse violence against the government. Here’s why. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOGv7h )

21:56

oh, the fishwrap got a spin to contribute ?

21:56

BECAUSE.GOVERNMENT.SUCKS. d'oh.

21:56

PeterL that's a miserable list.

21:56

abaci !?

21:56

which list?

21:57

oh, the word list?

21:57

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288178.0

21:57

[AUCTION] 2013 1/2-oz. silver Casascius .5 BTC piece ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdSBbx )

21:57

From same wrap https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/11/why-donors-demand-immediate-elections-after-unrest-in-developing-countries/?tid=article_nextstory

21:57

Why donors demand immediate elections after unrest in developing countries - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdSzjZ )

21:57

in which a seller auctions a high-value coin without realizing how much it's worth

21:57

!up referredbyqntra

21:58

yeah the word list.

21:58

!up renard_abroad

21:58

no way.

21:58

!up renard_abroad

21:58

hi renard

21:58

!up renard_abroad

21:58

both of ya, useless

21:58

yet?

21:58

that could certainly use attention, the idea is to have several lists to choose from

21:59

renard_abroad: yet.

21:59

welcome

21:59

peterl: server barfs on config.py

22:00

hmm, i'll try to fix that, just a sec

22:00

that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute.

22:00

nbd just fyi

22:02

can it be any wordset or a specifically normally-distributed one?

22:03

ok, renamed and now it shows (if you want to run this, I think you need to make it .py again)

22:04

the idea is you use whatever dictionary you want, i included 3

22:04

but whoever decrypts it must then use the exact same list file

22:05

aha

22:06

the one problem i am still trying to fix is that it seems to ignore using a specified dictionary and always uses whatever defalt is in the config , I think i might have something wrong in the python logic

22:08

sounds exactly like what teh nsa'd do.

22:09

mircea_popescu: it actually looks better when i use the short list i pulled out of my head, simple.dict, rather than the full list

22:12

Now rob circle rib sew south wind bit park you, welt chomp swing through. Hag bounce hack ha

22:12

rd light vale, acid.

22:12

Crenelate untwists pronating memorializes beclouds. Cellophane gush harmfully inferences bor

22:12

ons abeyance.

22:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45450 @ 0.00048371 = 21.9846 BTC [-] {4}

22:13

two lines each for the same message, but with different lists

22:15

notsobad.

22:15

a grammarizer might help put the comma in better, but yeah.

22:16

well, randomly selected words will ignore grammar rules

22:16

yeah. this is a topic for study, it's not even clear more grammar-ness is a good thing.

22:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00048316 = 4.3726 BTC [-]

22:23

i confess that i still don't see the point of the exercise:

22:23

this is sad stego

22:23

easily detectable with naked eye.

22:24

and it grates on the nerves, even. esp. if you were on usenet in the late '90s and suffered through the 'hipcrime' crud

22:25

use the resulting words as first words in lines of a poem?

22:25

use however you like, but any public agreement re: precisely what to do kills the whole point of stego

22:27

asciilifeform: easily detectable with naked eye. << or does it just look like sapm?

22:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342638 << the solution to this is to use a corpus distilled from your own logz

22:27

Logged on 14-12-2015 03:00:57; mircea_popescu: that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute.

22:28

could be easy enough to specify a document and have it remove duplicates to generate a word list

22:31

would just require a couple more lines of code when opening the wordlist file

22:32

for the record, imho this is a disastrously bad idea

22:32

yeah that'd never work.

22:32

why disasterous?

22:32

i for one am not looking forward to ~ever~ having to mentally filter this diarrhea out of conversation

22:32

asciilifeform what conversation.

22:32

anywhere where naked eye might encounter it

22:33

(which presumably was the point of the proposal - make the enemy expend human labour to distinguish pgpgrams, rather than the present condition of being able to do so mechanically)

22:33

is it so much worse than a pgpgram output?

22:34

whole point is to blur the distinction between 'human text' and pgpgram, no ?

22:34

you don't have to look at it, just copy the file of text and point the program at it

22:35

can somebody (preferably mircea_popescu, whose idea this was) describe - roughly - the point of this ?

22:35

asciilifeform so that it drowns out "conversation", ie, any plain channel stuff.

22:36

step 1 : build perfect radsuit. step 2 : glass the place.

22:36

why even use a legacy system like irc then

22:36

yet.

22:36

i don't plan to use irc forever.

22:36

and i expect gossipd to be undistinguishable for the phillipino/redditarded eye from current b-a log.

22:37

what's the point of the word salad when you have properly ciphered bits

22:37

that it makes life impossible for the lesser people, who still depend on being able to chat without access to proper tools.

22:38

Grammarizer needs to aspire to creating stego prose leik: "Bob's feet were a horror. Advanced stages of gout had swollen his feet which were covered in sores, growths, and hard scaly patches. I know this because Bob's shoes were improvised flip flops, clearly hand made. I can only imagine normal shoes don't come in sizes that would fit over the swollen sacs of disease that passed for his feet. I'm not sure how he walked on these s

22:38

wollen growths, but they had to be painful."

22:38

shit on the poor. it's a program.

22:38

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288536.0

22:38

[WTS] Ultimate Bitcoin Collector's Pack -- RARE HIGH-TICKET ITEMS FOR SALE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOJXig )

22:38

now where'd i leave my milking gloves?

22:38

you drink glove milk ?!

22:38

do people wear gloves to milk?

22:38

hmm

22:38

yes.

22:38

ok

22:38

of note, there's a copy of the genesis block times in there

22:39

lol, nubbins is cashing out and bro'ing down

22:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00048533 = 6.1152 BTC [+]

22:39

gotta stey in whey

22:39

lol

22:40

some chump sold the newspaper to me for 0.25 btc

22:40

maybe i'm the chump tho. we will see

22:40

the bitcoin event horizon is such that anyone who buys is a chump on a long enough timeline.

22:40

!up white

22:40

!up white pawah

22:40

*powah

22:41

white

thanks

22:41

mircea_popescu this is true

22:41

white

is punkman around?

22:41

that time i paid an average of 0.5 btc per jazz cigarette, for example

22:42

that other time when you called blunts "jazz cigarettes"

22:42

blunts are this whole other thing

22:42

kinda gross really

22:42

white: If he's not on nao he'll usually be on in the next few hours

22:42

i've been big on spliffs lately

22:43

white

ok thanks

22:43

Really I thing -w mode stego should aspire to https://archive.is/plA29

22:43

Tales from 35,000ft: Behind the Beetus Beast : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOKqB6 )

22:43

Bingoboingo just curious, do you have body image issues

22:43

*

Bingoboingo back in the day used to like blunts and spiffs

22:44

nubbins`: Nah, at last not any more than any recovering alcoholic how last time on a dating site chose the "used up" body type at 24

22:45

*

Bingoboingo actually found the "swoleacceptance" thing as an easy whey to farm reddit karma for the idiogeneering.

22:45

heh

22:46

used up!

22:47

What can I say. When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be the kinda man who drank whiskey and I grew up to be the kind of man who drank whiskey.

22:48

i got a friend who's been through some times

22:48

we're walking around the town one day, the worst type of stinky rotten bum comes up to him

22:48

"buddy, you look the way i feel"

22:49

shambles off

22:49

O.O

22:50

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Bingoboingo realized he might have a problem when started leaving friends at the bar to chill with bums in the gutter.

22:50

sometimes one needs to drink all the booze

22:53

Yeah, but even going to 3-5 storytime sessions a week leaves me far more useful time in the day than a bottle does. That's really gotta be what scares Coindesk et al about qntra year 2.

22:54

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mircea_popescu claps.

22:55

That an serious talk now. Throw a dollar in the basket to assuage your guilt about all the coffee you can drink in an hour? What beats that.

22:57

Sure ben_vulpes et al would prolly shit on the coffee, but seriously not bad stuff for the middle west.

22:57